Re: [qmailtoaster] Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Johannes Weberhofer

Dear Eric,

First, I want to thank Jake for the work in the last years, sencond I want to 
thank you for taking over the project now.

As said several times in the past, I am offering a qmailtoaster spin-off at openSUSE's 
build service. 
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Aweberho%3Aqmailtoaster. I have 
packages all possible packages in a standard FHS compatible way. And removed the 
-qmailtoaster extensions from all the packages which were not really 
toaster-specific. Some of the packages are meanwhile in the main openSUSE repositories - 
Alexandre (aledr) is maintaining some of the packages, thank you Alexandre!

I have re-worked all the packages to make them compiling on all possible 
operating systems. The only thing that's currently not compiling is simscan on 
CentOS/RHEL, as I did recently remove clamav and spamassassinto support the 
OS's versions (and CentOS/RHEL so not offer those in the standard distribution, 
when I'm right).

The spec files have been completely rewritten, all dependencies have been 
corrected; On openSUSE 12.1 for example you can install it using the command 
line:

zypper ar 
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/weberho:/qmailtoaster/openSUSE_12.1/
zypper in qmail-toaster simscan dovecot12

Updates are made using

zypper up

That's it when I remember right; all dependencies are automatically resolved 
and installed, down to perl packages.

If you like to, have a look at the packages. You can see all codes via the 
above mentinoned web-interface. In case you like to cooperate: it would be a 
pleasure!

Best regards,
Johannes

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Constantin IOAJA


RHEL/CentOS platform is O.K. for me.

Thanks  Eric!

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On 13.02.2012 19:43, Eric Shubert wrote:
I've done a good deal of thinking about this, and think that it'd be 
best to run it by the community at large (not just the developers) for 
everyone's consideration. This is not really new, and is not much 
different than what Jake had committed to some time ago. I just want 
to be sure that everyone is on board with this, and explain a few things.


Due to various changes in the IT landscape over the past several 
years, I think it's best that future QMT development be limited to the 
RHEL/CentOS platform. There are several factors involved.


First is that we'll be changing the method of distribution from source 
rpms to binary rpms, using yum to install packages (qtp-newmodel will 
be modified accordingly). We can do this because the qmail (et al) 
licensing was changed to public domain a couple years ago, so there is 
no restriction to distribute source-only any more. We also have 
mirrors in place that eliminate the need to have a single distribution 
point with high bandwidth capability. Using binary rpms for 
distribution not only simplifies installs and upgrades, but it also 
substantially reduces the disk space required, in addition to making 
QMT more secure due to the absence of a compiler and build tools. All 
in all, this is a win-win change.


Secondly, the industry in general is moving toward virtual hosts, and 
QMT is making this move as well (many of us already run QMT as one or 
more VM guests). One of the advantages of virtualization is that 
multiple machines can coexist on the same host hardware, concurrently 
running entirely different operating systems and versions of languages 
and software. There's little need any more for QMT to coexist on the 
same machine with other applications or services. In fact, things are 
moving in a direction such that QMT itself will become divided into 
logical roles that will be able to implemented on separate hosts, 
allowing for more flexible and scalable QMT configurations. Stay tuned 
for that development, which is a ways off yet.


So let's take a look briefly at the prominent distros that QMT will be 
discontinuing.


Mandriva is on the ropes, struggling to survive. If you presently have 
a QMT running on Mandy, I would seriously consider a migration in the 
near future.


SUSE does not use yum, it has yast instead. When I looked at yast some 
time ago it had no CLI, which was a big drawback to me. While I expect 
that yum could be installed and used, it goes against the When in 
Rome philosophy. The source rpms will of course continue to be 
available, so if someone cares to adapt them for SUSE, they may do so.


While Fedora contains a great deal of what's in store for future 
RHEL/CentOS releases, it's not well suited as a QMT platform, simply 
because it changes too often (a new release twice a year), and most 
often none of the changes provide any benefit to QMT. If there happens 
to be something that would benefit QMT, it would most likely be 
available for RHEL/CentOS in the EPEL repo. So there is really no 
sense in packaging QMT for Fedora.


I think this covers the distros worth mentioning. If I missed one, 
please let me know.


In summary, going forward QMT will be available only on RHEL/CentOS 
platforms, for both x86 and x86_64 architectures. This will simplify 
spec files, documentation and installation/utility scripts 
substantially. For all other distros, the existing build options in 
the spec files will no longer be included. They will however be 
archived in a source code repository before being removed, so that 
they'll be available should anyone want to reference them at some 
point in the future.


If you have a problem with or question about any of this, or you'd 
simply like to comment about something, please don't hesitate to reply.


Thanks to everyone for their continued support and participation.




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[qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Eric Shubert

On 02/13/2012 10:58 PM, Khan Mohamed Ashraf wrote:

What about Ubuntu server, would the team consider getting qmailtoaster
to work with it? If not why?


At some point, perhaps either debian or ubuntu server. In either case 
we'd be applying the When in Rome principle, and use debian packages 
and distribution management methods (apt-get etc). At this point, I 
think I'd favor debian over ubuntu though, as debian will be using 
systemd (like RHEL), whereas ubuntu appears to be sticking with upstart, 
at least for the time being. That could all change by the time we get 
there though, which I don't anticipate to be any time this year.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Jim Shupert



just to add my voice to the chorus


CentOS platform is O.K. for me.

Thanks  Eric!


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Khan Mohamed Ashraf
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:

 On 02/13/2012 10:58 PM, Khan Mohamed Ashraf wrote:

 What about Ubuntu server, would the team consider getting qmailtoaster
 to work with it? If not why?


 At some point, perhaps either debian or ubuntu server. In either case we'd
 be applying the When in Rome principle, and use debian packages and
 distribution management methods (apt-get etc). At this point, I think I'd
 favor debian over ubuntu though, as debian will be using systemd (like
 RHEL), whereas ubuntu appears to be sticking with upstart, at least for the
 time being. That could all change by the time we get there though, which I
 don't anticipate to be any time this year.
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Thanks. That was illuminative.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Natalio Gatti
+1 to RHEL/CentOS.
I started some with RH9, and then migrato to Fedora Core 1. That was one of
my biggest mistakes. In two years Fedora reach Core 5. That's when I
decided to move to CentOS. Happy since that day.


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 On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote:

 On 02/13/2012 10:58 PM, Khan Mohamed Ashraf wrote:

 What about Ubuntu server, would the team consider getting qmailtoaster
 to work with it? If not why?


 At some point, perhaps either debian or ubuntu server. In either case
 we'd be applying the When in Rome principle, and use debian packages and
 distribution management methods (apt-get etc). At this point, I think I'd
 favor debian over ubuntu though, as debian will be using systemd (like
 RHEL), whereas ubuntu appears to be sticking with upstart, at least for the
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[qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Eric Shubert

On 02/14/2012 01:23 AM, Johannes Weberhofer wrote:

Dear Eric,

First, I want to thank Jake for the work in the last years, sencond I
want to thank you for taking over the project now.

As said several times in the past, I am offering a qmailtoaster spin-off
at openSUSE's build service.
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Aweberho%3Aqmailtoaster.
I have packages all possible packages in a standard FHS compatible way.
And removed the -qmailtoaster extensions from all the packages which
were not really toaster-specific. Some of the packages are meanwhile in
the main openSUSE repositories - Alexandre (aledr) is maintaining some
of the packages, thank you Alexandre!

I have re-worked all the packages to make them compiling on all possible
operating systems. The only thing that's currently not compiling is
simscan on CentOS/RHEL, as I did recently remove clamav and
spamassassinto support the OS's versions (and CentOS/RHEL so not offer
those in the standard distribution, when I'm right).

The spec files have been completely rewritten, all dependencies have
been corrected; On openSUSE 12.1 for example you can install it using
the command line:

zypper ar
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/weberho:/qmailtoaster/openSUSE_12.1/

zypper in qmail-toaster simscan dovecot12

Updates are made using

zypper up

That's it when I remember right; all dependencies are automatically
resolved and installed, down to perl packages.

If you like to, have a look at the packages. You can see all codes via
the above mentinoned web-interface. In case you like to cooperate: it
would be a pleasure!

Best regards,
Johannes



Thanks for reminding me about this, Johannes. I've taken a brief look at 
what's there, and I like some of the things you've done. I most 
definitely would like to leverage your work there. I think it behooves 
us to work together as much as possible.


I'll also consider using OBS for a build environment going forward. I 
have a feeling that it may create as many problems as it solves, but 
we'll see. I think the QMT project needs a good dose of the KISS rule at 
this point, and to be honest, building rpms isn't much of a problem at 
this point.


I'm not I'm not going to commit to supporting SuSE quite yet, but will 
give it all careful consideration. I can safely say that SuSE support 
will be largely dependent upon your and Alexandre's participation (and 
whoever else may step up and contribute), so there may be hope for it.


We'll continue this topic on the devel list. Thanks again for your help 
and participation.


P.S. Will you see that Alexandre gets subscribed to the devel list? ;)

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Re: [qmailtoaster] dovecot installation questions

2012-02-14 Thread Finn Buhelt

Hi Rajesh.

Just wonder if You managed to fix this issue ? I have same error 
installing on a testsystem


Regards,
Finn B

Den 23-01-2012 16:38, Rajesh M skrev:

hi

i installed dovecot version 1 on one of my qmailtoaster boxes a few months
ago and it worked successfully.

now i have a new box and tried to install dovecot version 2 using
qmailtoaster rpm

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Replacing_Courier_IMAP_with_Dovecot_IMAP

i followed the instructions as per the above but with default installation
i am a quite confused because there are so many config files

the config files are all different and i am not sure which options to use

i am getting error as such

telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 143 or port 110 gives error as below
[root@ns1 conf.d]# tail -f /var/log/dovecot.log
Jan 23 20:57:38 auth: Fatal: vpopmail: vauth_open() failed
Jan 23 20:57:38 master: Error: service(auth): command startup failed,
throttling

my questions

1) is there some place to get detailed instructions on the installation or
if anybody is already using the standard installation successfully then
can you please post your config file and installation instructions

2) how better is dovecot pop3 and pop3 compared to normal pop3 of
qmailtoaster, are there any known issues ?

my qmail pop3 is working quite nicely but if dovecot is better then i
could try that.

thanks for all your help.

rajesh






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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Johannes Weberhofer



Am 14.02.12 16:00, schrieb Eric Shubert:

On 02/14/2012 01:23 AM, Johannes Weberhofer wrote:

Dear Eric,

First, I want to thank Jake for the work in the last years, sencond I
want to thank you for taking over the project now.

As said several times in the past, I am offering a qmailtoaster spin-off
at openSUSE's build service.
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Aweberho%3Aqmailtoaster.
I have packages all possible packages in a standard FHS compatible way.
And removed the -qmailtoaster extensions from all the packages which
were not really toaster-specific. Some of the packages are meanwhile in
the main openSUSE repositories - Alexandre (aledr) is maintaining some
of the packages, thank you Alexandre!

I have re-worked all the packages to make them compiling on all possible
operating systems. The only thing that's currently not compiling is
simscan on CentOS/RHEL, as I did recently remove clamav and
spamassassinto support the OS's versions (and CentOS/RHEL so not offer
those in the standard distribution, when I'm right).

The spec files have been completely rewritten, all dependencies have
been corrected; On openSUSE 12.1 for example you can install it using
the command line:

zypper ar
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/weberho:/qmailtoaster/openSUSE_12.1/

zypper in qmail-toaster simscan dovecot12

Updates are made using

zypper up

That's it when I remember right; all dependencies are automatically
resolved and installed, down to perl packages.

If you like to, have a look at the packages. You can see all codes via
the above mentinoned web-interface. In case you like to cooperate: it
would be a pleasure!

Best regards,
Johannes



Thanks for reminding me about this, Johannes. I've taken a brief look at what's 
there, and I like some of the things you've done. I most definitely would like 
to leverage your work there. I think it behooves us to work together as much as 
possible.

I'll also consider using OBS for a build environment going forward. I have a 
feeling that it may create as many problems as it solves, but we'll see. I 
think the QMT project needs a good dose of the KISS rule at this point, and to 
be honest, building rpms isn't much of a problem at this point.

I'm not I'm not going to commit to supporting SuSE quite yet, but will give it 
all careful consideration. I can safely say that SuSE support will be largely 
dependent upon your and Alexandre's participation (and whoever else may step up 
and contribute), so there may be hope for it.

We'll continue this topic on the devel list. Thanks again for your help and 
participation.

P.S. Will you see that Alexandre gets subscribed to the devel list? ;)



Eric, I have BCCd Alexandre, so he should get this mail, too.

What I have done in the last years was simplifying the packages as much as 
possible. Specs are _much_ shorter now, normally it's not necessary to make 
changes to support new distribution versions, except when packaging changes 
(packages were split into -devel and -lib packages recently) or when the 
compilers or lint are uncovering problematic code. But those fixes are normally 
also good for older distributions.

Johannes


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread South Computers

Sounds good to me as well.

Thought I'd pop in here and throw my 2 cents in :-)

goes back to his hole

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RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread James Beam
/me plays wackamole 'Back into that hole Back!!'

2 Distros should be plenty for folks to deal with - helps yall refine the 
product and keep support efforts predictable.




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Sounds good to me as well.

Thought I'd pop in here and throw my 2 cents in :-)

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[qmailtoaster] Re: dovecot installation questions

2012-02-14 Thread Eric Shubert

Hey Finn,

Which versions are you running? (of vpopmail and dovecot in particular)

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On 02/14/2012 09:20 AM, Finn Buhelt wrote:

Hi Rajesh.

Just wonder if You managed to fix this issue ? I have same error
installing on a testsystem

Regards,
Finn B

Den 23-01-2012 16:38, Rajesh M skrev:

hi

i installed dovecot version 1 on one of my qmailtoaster boxes a few
months
ago and it worked successfully.

now i have a new box and tried to install dovecot version 2 using
qmailtoaster rpm

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Replacing_Courier_IMAP_with_Dovecot_IMAP


i followed the instructions as per the above but with default
installation
i am a quite confused because there are so many config files

the config files are all different and i am not sure which options to use

i am getting error as such

telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 143 or port 110 gives error as below
[root@ns1 conf.d]# tail -f /var/log/dovecot.log
Jan 23 20:57:38 auth: Fatal: vpopmail: vauth_open() failed
Jan 23 20:57:38 master: Error: service(auth): command startup failed,
throttling

my questions

1) is there some place to get detailed instructions on the
installation or
if anybody is already using the standard installation successfully then
can you please post your config file and installation instructions

2) how better is dovecot pop3 and pop3 compared to normal pop3 of
qmailtoaster, are there any known issues ?

my qmail pop3 is working quite nicely but if dovecot is better then i
could try that.

thanks for all your help.

rajesh






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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: dovecot installation questions

2012-02-14 Thread Finn Buhelt

Hey Eric.

SORRY - for the lack of info's. (Dovcot 2.0.17  and Vpopmail-Toaster 5.4.17)

I have installed Qmailtoaster off the shelve from qmailtoaster.org 
(doing exactly as Jake in his video - just to be sure)- and Dovecot 
2.0.17 just like prescribed in the Wiki. Though I have been around some 
installations since the initial one  ranging from Dovecot-2.0.10 to 
2.2.x, - Rpm's, Yum's and compiling myself - same result whenever I try 
to connect to port 110 or 995 (error message as below in Rajesh' mail)  
- cannot start AUTH manually either.


As You may recall (:-) ) I answered Your email regarding Dovecot some 
time ago because I have been running Qmailtoaster and Dovecot quite some 
time now on my production system - back from Dovecot 1.0.7x and 
currently I'm running Dovecot-2.0.10 on Prod and it runs perfectly.


Now, as a test,  I have installed Centos 6.2 with KVM and installed 
Centos 5.7 in a Virtuel machine and it is in here I have the issue.


Mysql is running, I have used the Dovecot.conf from the Install and from 
my production system, I have qtp-restored all my settings from my 
current production system -  nothing  changes the error at all. 
(qmailtoaster runs fine)


Don't spend much of Your precious time on this now, but Your thoughts  
is appreciated

Cheers,
Finn



Den 14-02-2012 18:58, Eric Shubert skrev:

Hey Finn,

Which versions are you running? (of vpopmail and dovecot in particular)



On 02/14/2012 09:20 AM, Finn Buhelt wrote:
Hi Rajesh.

Just wonder if You managed to fix this issue ? I have same error
installing on a testsystem

Regards,
Finn B

Den 23-01-2012 16:38, Rajesh M skrev:
hi

i installed dovecot version 1 on one of my qmailtoaster boxes a few
months
ago and it worked successfully.

now i have a new box and tried to install dovecot version 2 using
qmailtoaster rpm

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Replacing_Courier_IMAP_with_Dovecot_IMAP 




i followed the instructions as per the above but with default
installation
i am a quite confused because there are so many config files

the config files are all different and i am not sure which options to use

i am getting error as such

telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 143 or port 110 gives error as below
[root@ns1 conf.d]# tail -f /var/log/dovecot.log
Jan 23 20:57:38 auth: Fatal: vpopmail: vauth_open() failed
Jan 23 20:57:38 master: Error: service(auth): command startup failed,
throttling

my questions

1) is there some place to get detailed instructions on the
installation or
if anybody is already using the standard installation successfully then
can you please post your config file and installation instructions

2) how better is dovecot pop3 and pop3 compared to normal pop3 of
qmailtoaster, are there any known issues ?

my qmail pop3 is working quite nicely but if dovecot is better then i
could try that.

thanks for all your help.

rajesh






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[qmailtoaster] Re: dovecot installation questions

2012-02-14 Thread Eric Shubert
Just wanted to double check the versions against what I built dovecot 
2.0.17 with, and it's 5.4.17 for vpopmail, so that's ok.


Thanks for the details. Everything sounds kosher to me.

Let's see what Rajesh comes up with, and we'll take it from there.

Thanks for testing!

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On 02/14/2012 12:31 PM, Finn Buhelt wrote:

Hey Eric.

SORRY - for the lack of info's. (Dovcot 2.0.17 and Vpopmail-Toaster 5.4.17)

I have installed Qmailtoaster off the shelve from qmailtoaster.org
(doing exactly as Jake in his video - just to be sure)- and Dovecot
2.0.17 just like prescribed in the Wiki. Though I have been around some
installations since the initial one ranging from Dovecot-2.0.10 to
2.2.x, - Rpm's, Yum's and compiling myself - same result whenever I try
to connect to port 110 or 995 (error message as below in Rajesh' mail) -
cannot start AUTH manually either.

As You may recall (:-) ) I answered Your email regarding Dovecot some
time ago because I have been running Qmailtoaster and Dovecot quite some
time now on my production system - back from Dovecot 1.0.7x and
currently I'm running Dovecot-2.0.10 on Prod and it runs perfectly.

Now, as a test, I have installed Centos 6.2 with KVM and installed
Centos 5.7 in a Virtuel machine and it is in here I have the issue.

Mysql is running, I have used the Dovecot.conf from the Install and from
my production system, I have qtp-restored all my settings from my
current production system - nothing changes the error at all.
(qmailtoaster runs fine)

Don't spend much of Your precious time on this now, but Your thoughts is
appreciated
Cheers,
Finn



Den 14-02-2012 18:58, Eric Shubert skrev:

Hey Finn,

Which versions are you running? (of vpopmail and dovecot in particular)



On 02/14/2012 09:20 AM, Finn Buhelt wrote:
Hi Rajesh.

Just wonder if You managed to fix this issue ? I have same error
installing on a testsystem

Regards,
Finn B

Den 23-01-2012 16:38, Rajesh M skrev:
hi

i installed dovecot version 1 on one of my qmailtoaster boxes a few
months
ago and it worked successfully.

now i have a new box and tried to install dovecot version 2 using
qmailtoaster rpm

http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/Replacing_Courier_IMAP_with_Dovecot_IMAP



i followed the instructions as per the above but with default
installation
i am a quite confused because there are so many config files

the config files are all different and i am not sure which options to use

i am getting error as such

telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 143 or port 110 gives error as below
[root@ns1 conf.d]# tail -f /var/log/dovecot.log
Jan 23 20:57:38 auth: Fatal: vpopmail: vauth_open() failed
Jan 23 20:57:38 master: Error: service(auth): command startup failed,
throttling

my questions

1) is there some place to get detailed instructions on the
installation or
if anybody is already using the standard installation successfully then
can you please post your config file and installation instructions

2) how better is dovecot pop3 and pop3 compared to normal pop3 of
qmailtoaster, are there any known issues ?

my qmail pop3 is working quite nicely but if dovecot is better then i
could try that.

thanks for all your help.

rajesh


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Autorespond

2012-02-14 Thread Peter Peltonen
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Carlos Herrera Polo
carlos.herrerap...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello:

 Please, can anybody sendme an message file as example ?

Here is an example:


From: u...@example.tld
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(do not include the  symbols)

I hope you are aware that you can create vacation messages via
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Postmaster

Eric,

Correct me if I am wrong, but the whole qmailtoaster project started 
with the idea to have RPM packages
for a quick deployment under RedHat based OS. Hence, RHEL/CentOS support 
only should be fine for most people.


Personally, I started from RedHat 8 and move to Debian, RHEL, Whitebox 
and finally CentOS and have been
using CentOS for that past ... years. I know if everything fails and I 
somehow do not have a backup (happened
to me before) I can quickly deploy CentOS, dependencies and then 
qmailtoaster from scratch.



Regards
Alex



On 13/02/2012 18:43, Eric Shubert wrote:
I've done a good deal of thinking about this, and think that it'd be 
best to run it by the community at large (not just the developers) for 
everyone's consideration. This is not really new, and is not much 
different than what Jake had committed to some time ago. I just want 
to be sure that everyone is on board with this, and explain a few things.


Due to various changes in the IT landscape over the past several 
years, I think it's best that future QMT development be limited to the 
RHEL/CentOS platform. There are several factors involved.


First is that we'll be changing the method of distribution from source 
rpms to binary rpms, using yum to install packages (qtp-newmodel will 
be modified accordingly). We can do this because the qmail (et al) 
licensing was changed to public domain a couple years ago, so there is 
no restriction to distribute source-only any more. We also have 
mirrors in place that eliminate the need to have a single distribution 
point with high bandwidth capability. Using binary rpms for 
distribution not only simplifies installs and upgrades, but it also 
substantially reduces the disk space required, in addition to making 
QMT more secure due to the absence of a compiler and build tools. All 
in all, this is a win-win change.


Secondly, the industry in general is moving toward virtual hosts, and 
QMT is making this move as well (many of us already run QMT as one or 
more VM guests). One of the advantages of virtualization is that 
multiple machines can coexist on the same host hardware, concurrently 
running entirely different operating systems and versions of languages 
and software. There's little need any more for QMT to coexist on the 
same machine with other applications or services. In fact, things are 
moving in a direction such that QMT itself will become divided into 
logical roles that will be able to implemented on separate hosts, 
allowing for more flexible and scalable QMT configurations. Stay tuned 
for that development, which is a ways off yet.


So let's take a look briefly at the prominent distros that QMT will be 
discontinuing.


Mandriva is on the ropes, struggling to survive. If you presently have 
a QMT running on Mandy, I would seriously consider a migration in the 
near future.


SUSE does not use yum, it has yast instead. When I looked at yast some 
time ago it had no CLI, which was a big drawback to me. While I expect 
that yum could be installed and used, it goes against the When in 
Rome philosophy. The source rpms will of course continue to be 
available, so if someone cares to adapt them for SUSE, they may do so.


While Fedora contains a great deal of what's in store for future 
RHEL/CentOS releases, it's not well suited as a QMT platform, simply 
because it changes too often (a new release twice a year), and most 
often none of the changes provide any benefit to QMT. If there happens 
to be something that would benefit QMT, it would most likely be 
available for RHEL/CentOS in the EPEL repo. So there is really no 
sense in packaging QMT for Fedora.


I think this covers the distros worth mentioning. If I missed one, 
please let me know.


In summary, going forward QMT will be available only on RHEL/CentOS 
platforms, for both x86 and x86_64 architectures. This will simplify 
spec files, documentation and installation/utility scripts 
substantially. For all other distros, the existing build options in 
the spec files will no longer be included. They will however be 
archived in a source code repository before being removed, so that 
they'll be available should anyone want to reference them at some 
point in the future.


If you have a problem with or question about any of this, or you'd 
simply like to comment about something, please don't hesitate to reply.


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[qmailtoaster] QMT CentOS 5.7/64 - submission port cannot allocate memory

2012-02-14 Thread Angus McIntyre
I have a qmailtoaster install running on a 64-bit CentOS 5.7.

As far as I can tell, almost all of it works correctly - mail is flowing
in and out successfully.

However, when I try to submit a message on port 587, the connection
closes. The log shows:

2012-02-14 22:26:16.919911500 tcpserver: ok 4502
xx.nameofmyserver.com:xx.xx.xx.xx:587 :xx.xx.xx.xx::50888
2012-02-14 22:26:16.920568500 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd: error while
loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: failed to map segment from shared
object: Cannot allocate memory
2012-02-14 22:26:16.920737500 tcpserver: end 4502 status 32512

I have tried raising the softlimit in
'/var/qmail/supervise/submission/run' and restarting qmail (I raised the
limit to 25600), but I still get the error.

Can anyone suggest anything else I can try in order to fix this?

Thanks,

Angus


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT CentOS 5.7/64 - submission port cannot allocate memory

2012-02-14 Thread Délsio Cabá
Hi,
Try to raise even more.
I had this issue also and I just raised the limit.

I believe this one of the reasons qmailtoaster will be distributed in rpm
packages

Regards

On 15 February 2012 05:32, Angus McIntyre an...@pobox.com wrote:

 I have a qmailtoaster install running on a 64-bit CentOS 5.7.

 As far as I can tell, almost all of it works correctly - mail is flowing
 in and out successfully.

 However, when I try to submit a message on port 587, the connection
 closes. The log shows:

 2012-02-14 22:26:16.919911500 tcpserver: ok 4502
 xx.nameofmyserver.com:xx.xx.xx.xx:587 :xx.xx.xx.xx::50888
 2012-02-14 22:26:16.920568500 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd: error while
 loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: failed to map segment from shared
 object: Cannot allocate memory
 2012-02-14 22:26:16.920737500 tcpserver: end 4502 status 32512

 I have tried raising the softlimit in
 '/var/qmail/supervise/submission/run' and restarting qmail (I raised the
 limit to 25600), but I still get the error.

 Can anyone suggest anything else I can try in order to fix this?

 Thanks,

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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT CentOS 5.7/64 - submission port cannot allocate memory

2012-02-14 Thread Angus McIntyre
Thanks for your response.

Unfortunately, even with a softlimit of 102400, it still gives the
same error.

Can you think of anything else I could try?

Angus


Délsio Cabá wrote:
 Hi,
 Try to raise even more.
 I had this issue also and I just raised the limit.

 I believe this one of the reasons qmailtoaster will be distributed in rpm
 packages

 Regards

 On 15 February 2012 05:32, Angus McIntyre an...@pobox.com wrote:

 I have a qmailtoaster install running on a 64-bit CentOS 5.7.

 As far as I can tell, almost all of it works correctly - mail is flowing
 in and out successfully.

 However, when I try to submit a message on port 587, the connection
 closes. The log shows:

 2012-02-14 22:26:16.919911500 tcpserver: ok 4502
 xx.nameofmyserver.com:xx.xx.xx.xx:587 :xx.xx.xx.xx::50888
 2012-02-14 22:26:16.920568500 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd: error while
 loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: failed to map segment from
 shared
 object: Cannot allocate memory
 2012-02-14 22:26:16.920737500 tcpserver: end 4502 status 32512

 I have tried raising the softlimit in
 '/var/qmail/supervise/submission/run' and restarting qmail (I raised the
 limit to 25600), but I still get the error.

 Can anyone suggest anything else I can try in order to fix this?

 Thanks,

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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT CentOS 5.7/64 - submission port cannot allocate memory

2012-02-14 Thread Délsio Cabá
Hi,

Try to upgade gcc and recompite it again



On 15 February 2012 05:59, Angus McIntyre an...@pobox.com wrote:

 Thanks for your response.

 Unfortunately, even with a softlimit of 102400, it still gives the
 same error.

 Can you think of anything else I could try?

 Angus


 Délsio Cabá wrote:
  Hi,
  Try to raise even more.
  I had this issue also and I just raised the limit.
 
  I believe this one of the reasons qmailtoaster will be distributed in rpm
  packages
 
  Regards
 
  On 15 February 2012 05:32, Angus McIntyre an...@pobox.com wrote:
 
  I have a qmailtoaster install running on a 64-bit CentOS 5.7.
 
  As far as I can tell, almost all of it works correctly - mail is flowing
  in and out successfully.
 
  However, when I try to submit a message on port 587, the connection
  closes. The log shows:
 
  2012-02-14 22:26:16.919911500 tcpserver: ok 4502
  xx.nameofmyserver.com:xx.xx.xx.xx:587 :xx.xx.xx.xx::50888
  2012-02-14 22:26:16.920568500 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd: error while
  loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: failed to map segment from
  shared
  object: Cannot allocate memory
  2012-02-14 22:26:16.920737500 tcpserver: end 4502 status 32512
 
  I have tried raising the softlimit in
  '/var/qmail/supervise/submission/run' and restarting qmail (I raised the
  limit to 25600), but I still get the error.
 
  Can anyone suggest anything else I can try in order to fix this?
 
  Thanks,
 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT CentOS 5.7/64 - submission port cannot allocate memory

2012-02-14 Thread Angus McIntyre

Délsio Cabá wrote:
 Try to upgade gcc and recompite it again

gcc seems to be the latest approved version for CentOS. QMT was built with
that version.

I'm also having trouble with POP. The logs don't show any problems (except
for a 'status 256' response) but no mail is transferred.

When I manually run a POP session, I get:

/home/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw: error while loading shared libraries:
libresolv.so.2: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate
memory
-ERR unable to write pipe
Connection closed by foreign host.

Again, raising the softlimit on the pop3 supervisor doesn't seem to solve
this problem.

Do I need to do anything after editing the 'run' file to raise the
softlimit? I've been simply restarting qmail with 'qmailctl restart', but
perhaps something else is needed to get the changes to take effect?

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[qmailtoaster] SOLVED Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT CentOS 5.7/64 - submission port cannot allocate memory

2012-02-14 Thread Angus McIntyre
And the solution was ... raise the softlimit.

   But I thought we told you to raise the softlimit? the assembled
members of qmailtoaster-list cried with one voice.

Well, yes. You did. And so did all the four hundred archive postings on
the subject.

But the secret, boys and girls, is that you have to restart qmail. And I
did, but:

   qmailctl restart

doesn't cut it. You have to do:

   qmailctl stop
   qmailctl start

I finally figured this out when, after doing 'qmailctl restart', I then
did 'qmailctl stat' and noticed that while 'send' and 'smtp' were shown as
having been up for SMALL-NUMBER-OF-SECONDS, everything else was shown as
having been up for REALLY-BIG-NUMBER-OF-SECONDS. This made me think that
they hadn't got the message that it was time to restart.

So I stop-started the whole shebang and, mirabile dictu, 'submission' and
'pop3' and all the other things that hadn't been working suddenly started
working.

Incidentally, one really weird thing: while 'pop3' choked under the
default softlimit, 'pop3-ssl' worked flawlessly with the same limit. Go
figure.

Thanks to Délsio Cabá for helping, and thank you all (especially Jake and
Eric) for supporting qmailtoaster. Now that I think I'm almost at the end
of the things-that-can-go-wrong (many of which were the product of my own
boneheadedness), I really appreciate all the hard work you guys put in to
save me from all the things that could go wrong but didn't.

Thanks again,

Angus


Angus McIntyre wrote:

 Délsio Cabá wrote:
 Try to upgade gcc and recompite it again

 gcc seems to be the latest approved version for CentOS. QMT was built with
 that version.

 I'm also having trouble with POP. The logs don't show any problems (except
 for a 'status 256' response) but no mail is transferred.

 When I manually run a POP session, I get:

 /home/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw: error while loading shared libraries:
 libresolv.so.2: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate
 memory
 -ERR unable to write pipe
 Connection closed by foreign host.

 Again, raising the softlimit on the pop3 supervisor doesn't seem to solve
 this problem.

 Do I need to do anything after editing the 'run' file to raise the
 softlimit? I've been simply restarting qmail with 'qmailctl restart', but
 perhaps something else is needed to get the changes to take effect?

 Angus



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Future Distros - RHEL/CentOS ONLY

2012-02-14 Thread Pak Ogah

On 02/15/12 0:27, James Beam wrote:

/me plays wackamole 'Back into that hole Back!!'

2 Distros should be plenty for folks to deal with - helps yall refine the 
product and keep support efforts predictable.





I agree with binary distribution so that can simplify updating system
and I am also agree it based on RHEL/CentOS

but I think 2 Distros is not plenty

please take a look at iredmail.org
it support 4 mainstream distro
- rhel/centos/scientific
- debian/ubuntu
- opensuse
- freebsd

they can manage this because all the components they use are officially 
provided by the distros' repositories.
(that's why I am also agree Eric decision to use dovecot, mailman as 
it's provided by distro

and also will using SA/clamav from distro)
what iredmail do, is provide a script that work on those distros, 
installing all components,  then configured them and finally give the 
end users A REALLY NICE admin interface. no hassle maintaining the core 
softwares, repositories and infrastructures.


but since we are qmailtoaster group
we use qmail,vpopmail,qmailadmin,daemontools,ucspi,etc which is not 
officially supported by most distros
that's why we need to maintain our core softwares, repositories and 
infrastructures.


but I don't regret why my senior/consultant left me with qmailtoaster box
because I learn a lot from it and the community is friendly and helpful :D

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