Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
AOL offers online tools to help you figure out if you have problems sending to
them. Yahoo also has URL's giving information about potential problems. Thing
is, all of the info is mostly about spam and how to avoid being discarded.
Deferred email is a little different.

Mike


On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:19:03 -0400, Warren Melnick wrote:
> I don't know about Yahoo, but AOL has an entire department that will look
> up your IP, tell you what you are doing wrong and guide you toward doing it
> right (the postmaster group).
>
> Does the defer message contain a URL?  Sometimes they do.
>
> Here is a page on Yahoo that I found by googling:
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/abuse/abuse-60.html
>
> It says to contact them if you are unsure of why you are being deferred.  I
> would try that.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Please report back any results.
>
> W
>
> On 10/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > AOL is
> not actually all that picky.  Al they ask is that you make your
>>> emails compliant and actually remove the people who click the SPAM
>>> button
>>> from your list.  A slong as your spam complaints stay low they are
>>> happy.
>>>
>> Figured they were picky since I hear about so many issues with them.
>>
>>> The question is: What are you doing about bouncebacks?  If you are not
>>> removing them from your mailing list then Yahoo is probably blocking
>>> your
>>> IP.
>>>
>> Well, that's the thing, they aren't being bounced, they are being
>> deferred. If
>> they were bouncing, I could at least specify limits and such but being
>> deferred, I don't know what I can do.
>>
>> I've read all of their requirements and don't see what I can do since I
>> don't
>> seem to fall under any of their wrongdoing guidelines.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>> In my last position, where we did a lot of mailings, I had to write a
>>> whole
>>> subsystem just to deal with bouncebacks, especially those from AOL,
>>> Yahoo
>>> and MSN/hotmail.
>>>
>>> W
>>>
>>> On 10/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > no
>>> VERP
>>> setup on my new qmt box,
> and yes I am able to sent to Yahoo, but after they sent me email
> with 17
> questions did you get that email?
>
 I've done their online application but all it got me was a list of
 things
 I
 should do. However, those things don't seem to apply to my setup since
 it's
 being deferred, not bounced back.

 I'm seeing that email to hotmail just plain dissapears, no bounces
 and no
 deliveries either.

 Even AOL test see me as fine and we all know how picky AOL is. I've
 got
 SPF,
 RDNS, everything seems just fine.

 I'm stumped here.

 Mike


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread Warren Melnick 
I don't know about Yahoo, but AOL has an entire department that will look up
your IP, tell you what you are doing wrong and guide you toward doing it
right (the postmaster group).

Does the defer message contain a URL?  Sometimes they do.

Here is a page on Yahoo that I found by googling:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/abuse/abuse-60.html

It says to contact them if you are unsure of why you are being deferred.  I
would try that.

Good Luck!

Please report back any results.

W

On 10/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > AOL is not actually all that picky.  Al they ask is that you make your
> > emails compliant and actually remove the people who click the SPAM
> button
> > from your list.  A slong as your spam complaints stay low they are
> happy.
>
> Figured they were picky since I hear about so many issues with them.
>
> > The question is: What are you doing about bouncebacks?  If you are not
> > removing them from your mailing list then Yahoo is probably blocking
> your
> > IP.
>
> Well, that's the thing, they aren't being bounced, they are being
> deferred. If
> they were bouncing, I could at least specify limits and such but being
> deferred, I don't know what I can do.
>
> I've read all of their requirements and don't see what I can do since I
> don't
> seem to fall under any of their wrongdoing guidelines.
>
> Mike
>
>
> > In my last position, where we did a lot of mailings, I had to write a
> whole
> > subsystem just to deal with bouncebacks, especially those from AOL,
> Yahoo
> > and MSN/hotmail.
> >
> > W
> >
> > On 10/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > no
> VERP
> > setup on my new qmt box,
> >>> and yes I am able to sent to Yahoo, but after they sent me email with
> 17
> >>> questions did you get that email?
> >>>
> >> I've done their online application but all it got me was a list of
> things
> >> I
> >> should do. However, those things don't seem to apply to my setup since
> >> it's
> >> being deferred, not bounced back.
> >>
> >> I'm seeing that email to hotmail just plain dissapears, no bounces and
> no
> >> deliveries either.
> >>
> >> Even AOL test see me as fine and we all know how picky AOL is. I've got
> >> SPF,
> >> RDNS, everything seems just fine.
> >>
> >> I'm stumped here.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> AOL is not actually all that picky.  Al they ask is that you make your
> emails compliant and actually remove the people who click the SPAM button
> from your list.  A slong as your spam complaints stay low they are happy.

Figured they were picky since I hear about so many issues with them.

> The question is: What are you doing about bouncebacks?  If you are not
> removing them from your mailing list then Yahoo is probably blocking your
> IP.

Well, that's the thing, they aren't being bounced, they are being deferred. If
they were bouncing, I could at least specify limits and such but being
deferred, I don't know what I can do.

I've read all of their requirements and don't see what I can do since I don't
seem to fall under any of their wrongdoing guidelines.

Mike


> In my last position, where we did a lot of mailings, I had to write a whole
> subsystem just to deal with bouncebacks, especially those from AOL, Yahoo
> and MSN/hotmail.
>
> W
>
> On 10/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > no VERP
> setup on my new qmt box,
>>> and yes I am able to sent to Yahoo, but after they sent me email with 17
>>> questions did you get that email?
>>>
>> I've done their online application but all it got me was a list of things
>> I
>> should do. However, those things don't seem to apply to my setup since
>> it's
>> being deferred, not bounced back.
>>
>> I'm seeing that email to hotmail just plain dissapears, no bounces and no
>> deliveries either.
>>
>> Even AOL test see me as fine and we all know how picky AOL is. I've got
>> SPF,
>> RDNS, everything seems just fine.
>>
>> I'm stumped here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread Warren Melnick 
AOL is not actually all that picky.  Al they ask is that you make your
emails compliant and actually remove the people who click the SPAM button
from your list.  A slong as your spam complaints stay low they are happy.

The question is: What are you doing about bouncebacks?  If you are not
removing them from your mailing list then Yahoo is probably blocking your
IP.

In my last position, where we did a lot of mailings, I had to write a whole
subsystem just to deal with bouncebacks, especially those from AOL, Yahoo
and MSN/hotmail.

W

On 10/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > no VERP setup on my new qmt box,
> > and yes I am able to sent to Yahoo, but after they sent me email with 17
> > questions did you get that email?
>
> I've done their online application but all it got me was a list of things
> I
> should do. However, those things don't seem to apply to my setup since
> it's
> being deferred, not bounced back.
>
> I'm seeing that email to hotmail just plain dissapears, no bounces and no
> deliveries either.
>
> Even AOL test see me as fine and we all know how picky AOL is. I've got
> SPF,
> RDNS, everything seems just fine.
>
> I'm stumped here.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> no VERP setup on my new qmt box,
> and yes I am able to sent to Yahoo, but after they sent me email with 17
> questions did you get that email?

I've done their online application but all it got me was a list of things I
should do. However, those things don't seem to apply to my setup since it's
being deferred, not bounced back.

I'm seeing that email to hotmail just plain dissapears, no bounces and no
deliveries either.

Even AOL test see me as fine and we all know how picky AOL is. I've got SPF,
RDNS, everything seems just fine.

I'm stumped here.

Mike




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Re: [qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread PakOgah 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Yahoo seems to be putting me through the loops in allowing our servers to 
send email to them.


Their suggestions email include;

-Use VERP to identify the recipient address that has failed.

Has anyone set this up? If not and you are able to send to Yahoo without 
problems, what did you do?


  

no VERP setup on my new qmt box,
and yes I am able to sent to Yahoo, but after they sent me email with 17 
questions

did you get that email?

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[qmailtoaster] Problems sending to Yahoo

2007-10-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So, Yahoo seems to be putting me through the loops in allowing our servers to
send email to them.

Their suggestions email include;

-Use VERP to identify the recipient address that has failed.

Has anyone set this up? If not and you are able to send to Yahoo without
problems, what did you do?

-Examine your retry policies for permanent errors.

Emails sent to accounts that do not exist or are over quota should not be
retried. Permanent errors that are retried increase the likelihood that
delivery will not receive the priority it deserves.

Where can I change some of these settings? I know they are likely in the
control files but I don't want to change too many things. The servers work
fine other than being differed by Yahoo all the time. Even AOL accepts our
email so Yahoo is very fussy.

Mike



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