[QUAD-L] Disability/Political: Support the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act!
Title: Message A few of our legislators are introducing a new bill to encourage ethical stem cell research. Please help me, your self, and your family by filling out the form to send a prewritten letter (customizable) to your legislator encouraging their support! It will only take a minute or two of your time... Please tell all of your friends and family to also send their support! -Thanks, Mark (also check out Monday's entry in my blog at: http://www.markfelling.com/blog.htm regarding a Petition for Human Trials of OEG Technology in the US) I hope that you will take some time to help protect medical research by joining me in writing to representatives to urge them to support the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act. Every letter you send makes a difference! Let your Representatives know what you think and urge their support for and co-sponsorship of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005 (formerly H.R. 4682 - 108th Congress), introduced by Representatives Mike Castle (R-DE) and Diana DeGette (D-CO).Click this link to take action now!! Click here to view the the full announcement from the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation (http://www.crpf.org)**Some email systems do not support the use of links and therefore this link may not appear to work.If so, copy and paste the following into your browser:http://www.kintera.org/siteapps/advocacy/index.aspx?c=dkLQK8MNIpG&b=312399&sid=70065181&action="">**
RE: [QUAD-L] Stuntman-multi talented
Stunt back space man, I'm curious to hear what you have to say about Bush's record as governor of Texas and virtually bankrupting the State? -Original Message- From: Stuntman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Stuntman-multi talented GEEE, I guess I must have missed the fact that this IS AN ELECTION coming up that will effect us all. I'm trying to FACTUALY debate an issue that many are relying upon emotion to guide them. I do hope you realize Kerry will say anything to get elected. I also hope you realize that his promises are as empty as his +20 year success stories in the Senate. Meredith, you have the right to just hit delete instead of reading my posts. I will continue to try to persuade people to vote for the person I see as our best choice untill Nov 3rd. Sincerely, Stuntman > Actually, he is multi talented, Meredith. Next month, he'll pull out his > Santa outfit and amuse us all with his holiday cheer, "Ho, Ho, Ho" But > he loves his knowledge of government and past history. Maybe he will > invite you to his summer picnic next year so that you can enjoy the other > Stuntman. > W > In a message dated 10/15/04 9:52:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Stuntman, > Everyone else on this list talks about many subjects but you have a one track > mind, don't you have anything better to talk about but your ONE SIDED > political views.geez, get a hobby. > > Meredith >> > > > -- It's not the fall that hurts. Home page http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Graphics portfolio http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm Domain space http://nw-in.com/index.html
RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Except, you left out the fact that there are very more limited sources of adult stem cells, especially to use in such areas as rebuilding the spinal cord, since the adult body has shut down those types of cells. The whole point of the Puripotent stem cells is that they can be used to regrow or repair any type tissue. That is like having one tool that will change in shape to do whatever it is you need to do at that time. -Original Message- From: Stuntman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:52 PM To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards There are many problems with embryonic stem cells including tumors and cellular rejection that are no problem when using ones own adult stem cells. Therefore the justification for spending money on research for the one with more known problems instead of the one with fewer problems has a logic problem behind it. This is above and beyond the ethics involved. Kerry is using this as a campaign issue even though it shouldn't be. He is promising the moon. Doesn't mean a thing. Stuntman > > > Stuntman Bush has banned Federal money on The majority of stem cells I never > said there was a ban on research. > My problem is his way of thinking. > For example, did you know more embryos are lost by a natural pregnancy than > in vitro fertilization? > In vitro fertilization has a better success rate than natural conception so > should we ban natural conception because it's killing more embryos than ivf? > > This position he has is not scientific it's personal so I think I would let > the scientist be the judge instead of Bush and that's not Junk science that > s responsible science. > > I could care less what Kerry thinks about this subject this is my opinion > and I'm not voting for Kerry btw. > > Mark > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Stuntman > Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:53:31 PM > To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic Reaction to: > Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards > > There is no ban on embryonic stem research. > There is no scientific proof at this time that it works better than > adult stem cells. > Do you want real science funded or "junk science". > KERRY IS LYING! >
RE: [QUAD-L] "scientific proof" & "junk science"
Title: Message Thank you for sharing the good links Jim! Mark Felling -Original Message-From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Stuntman'Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] "scientific proof" & "junk science"At 11:12 AM 10/13/2004, Mark Felling wrote: You are entitled to your opinion, however if that is true then manyprofessionals most likely much more knowledgeable than you or I are lying tous all, not Kerry. He is simply listening to, and repeating what theresearch scientists and other professionals in the medical community havesaid. If you listen to the tone of his comments, he always refers back tothe medical community. That is more than I can say for Bush whose commentsring with the tone, "I believe" (emphasizing the ' I') What I disdain aboutBush is his arrogance both on this issue and in foreign affairs. He seemsto believe his wisdom is greater than that of specialists and advisers whoare infinitely more knowledgeable, insightful, and experienced in theirfields then he!I went back and read Bush's remarks when he made his decision since it was 3 years ago and I did not remember his exact words. He did seek advice from scientists, scholars, bioethicists, religious leaders, doctors, researchers and members of Congress. It didn't seem arrogant to me. At least Bush has believes unlike Kerry who believes change depending on whom he is talking to.Everyone should do their own research and decideRemarks by the President on Stem Cell Research (August 9, 2001)http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010809-2.htmlHHS Fact Sheet: Embryonic Stem Cell Research (July 14, 2004)http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2004pres/20040714b.htmlThe official National Institutes of Health resource for stem cell researchhttp://stemcells.nih.gov/
RE: [QUAD-L] "scientific proof" & "junk science"
I do not necessarily like Kerry, but given the alternative I do believe Bush is much worse. I could not help but address each of your comments individually... Snip - "There is no ban on embryonic stem research." Almost all funding for basic research comes from government funded sources. It is what has kept the United States at the forefront of technological development worldwide for the past few hundred years. By placing a ban on federal funding, Bush is by defacto placing a ban on the research. Snip - "There is no scientific proof at this time that it works better than adult stem cells." Your idea is true, that there is a lot of hope for uses of adult stem cells. However, there is no proof of anything until after a discovery is made! That is why is called research! "Scientific proof" is the result of a discovery made through research, not the precursor of it! There was no scientific proof that a wheel would be more efficient than simply dragging things around, until someone made a wheel and then by direct observation it was known to be a more efficient improvement. There is no scientific proof that one chemical combination will work better than another at treating a particular ailment, until after it's been tried and tested. Prior to that there are only theories based on existing knowledge. I do not know why, but at this time scientists theorize based on existing knowledge that embryonic stem cell research holds more promise for treatments than adult stem cells do. Snip - "Do you want real science funded or "junk science"." And I suppose you are qualified to make that distinction? The science of many men through history was labeled in their time as "junk science" only to be exonerated as geniuses by later generations. Snip - "KERRY IS LYING!" You are entitled to your opinion, however if that is true then many professionals most likely much more knowledgeable than you or I are lying to us all, not Kerry. He is simply listening to, and repeating what the research scientists and other professionals in the medical community have said. If you listen to the tone of his comments, he always refers back to the medical community. That is more than I can say for Bush whose comments ring with the tone, "I believe" (emphasizing the ' I') What I disdain about Bush is his arrogance both on this issue and in foreign affairs. He seems to believe his wisdom is greater than that of specialists and advisers who are infinitely more knowledgeable, insightful, and experienced in their fields then he! Mark Felling
RE: [QUAD-L] Fw: Internal Shakes
Valve, I do experience something similar with any sort of breeze even in the summer, however, for me in the cold it will just come and go seemingly randomly. Mark Felling > Does anyone ever experience what I call internal shakes? During the summer > when it is warm out I do not get the internal shakes however when > dampness or cold hits even the slightest I get internal shakes. My > skin will be warm > but inside I am shivering and my teeth are clenched. > > Is there anything I can take for this besides a heating blanket, I > have heating blankets all over, around my neck and everywhere. I was > wondering if some type of food would stop the shakes? > > > Val Cleroux > Communication is the key to success >
RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Title: Message
Exactly Stacy! Very well said! Mark Felling
-Original Message-From: QuadPirate
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004
10:00 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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You're right Stacy and I bet any one of us would gladly give
our life up if it would put an end to sci and all the
other diseases associated with stem cells.
Mark
---Original
Message---
From: Stacy Harim
Date: Sunday, October
10, 2004 11:21:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim Lubin
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L]
Political Garbage, & False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party
Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
If those lines aren't used ever then what good is it even though it
is fertilized? It's not being used and most of them wont be.
They just stay frozen forever? What kind of life is that for an
embryo? Why not use them to help for research
and then the can potentially make lives better for people with many
disabilities. It may not help you or me or any of us for
that matter, but what about future generations? A fertilized
embryo that would be frozen forever if not used for research or
more people living lives in misery.
Stacy
"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you
destroy yourself"
- Original Message -
From: Jim
Lubin
To: Stacy Harim ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004
10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political
Garbage, & False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party
Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Bush did not ban stem cell research! He
limited federal funding of "embryonic" stem cells to those few lines
that existed before August 9, 2001. States can fund embryonic stem
cell research on lines that are not within the federal guidelines all
they want. Last year the NIH funded $190 million in "adult" stem cell
research.If one believes that a human embryo is the beginning
of a human life, even if it is just a few microscopic cells, then how
can that person justify destroying it? Personally, I haven't
quit decided based on the information I have read. So until I'm more
certain I have no problem limiting embryonic stem cell research and
focusing funding on adult stem cells.JimAt 06:44 PM
10/10/2004, Stacy Harim wrote:
I agree Mark, then
what happens if by some miracle they find a major advancement with
the couple of crappy lines they have left. Will Bush go ahead
and let the use the remaining lines that are not being used?
It doesn't sound like it because he doesn't agree with it at
all.Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless
you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
- Original Message -
From: Mark Felling
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:21 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic
Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Boyd,
I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm
assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few
editions... However I ask you, where is the logic in your
statement: "as reflected in
stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do
increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for
Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and
nonexistent.
Further, the logic saying that if
the Communist Party does not support Bush (which I question the
validity of such an official statement having been made), then
they must support Kerry is just as silly. That is like
saying if A does not equal B, then B must equal C. This is
not a form of deduction or even induction, but rather one of the
most common examples of false logic. (Look it up in any
academic resource considering the topic of deduction)
RE: [QUAD-L] debate versus personal attacks
Title: Message Boyd, I did not mean this as a personal attack to you, but rather simply a discussion of the politics. My apologies for offending you personally. I was not dictating what you may or may not submit, but rather challenging you to write original thoughts rather then some of the garbage I've seen floating around the Internet. Obviously the challenge was successful in your very colorful and eloquent dissing of myself! I hope you will not mind if I do not take it personally since I doubt you would've done so if you have not felt attack personally yourself. I enjoy a good debate but I do not like to, and did not intend to, mix the issues with a personal attack or make it sound like one for that matter... though I realize now rereading what I wrote how you easily took it as a personal offense. My thoughts were more along the lines of attacking generally the statements of association. And at no time did I call you illiterate. My focus was on the logic that by the same path I would be a Communist. In terms of some of the small misnomers, such as knack for neck, or "my" "am a", I do not apologize, and in attacking them you still have not addressed the actual point of the argument. They were unintentional and the thanks of DragonDictate, the voice recognition software I use. I thought I caught most of mistakes it made and corrected them but obviously a few slipped through the cracks. Often my sentence structure in these type e-mails is anything from perfect. In fact I often ignore proper sentence structure when simply communicating an idea such as using "..." To signify a cause in ideas... Almost more like a breath in a conversation. I would not wish for his daughters to break their necks! Far from it! Instead, my point was that Bush's view of the value of research and what was " sufficient" resources for scientists to utilize would change if someone in his family would be directly afflicted by one of the disabilities or diseases the research has the potential of curing or minimally improving quality of life. Mark Felling -Original Message-From: Boyd Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/EdwardsOn 10/10/04 5:21 PM, "Mark Felling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Boyd,I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... Am I a student of International relations, specific to international cultural interactions & conflicts, international economic interactions, who has traveled the world, lived abroad, and speaks a number of languages? Yes. However, by the false, deductive logic in your previous statement Boyd, I guess I must be a Communist! Chuckle!I’m so awed by your eminence in the field of stratospheric academia, and the breadth of linguistic skills facilitating your discourse among the intelligentsia both foreign and domestic, it is with tremulous trepidation that I invite attention to your: “He apparently believes treatments developed that are contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient" for you and I.”Really now, even an illiterate like me remembers that proper diagramming of thissimple sentence requires your “I” to be a “me.” However, you did get the partabout being a Communist right. Please be original rather then mimicking Internet spewed garbage...Well, it’s a bit difficult to be original when one recites the Pledge of Allegiance orthe Lord’s Prayer, ‘cause someone “almost” as smart and educated as you, gavethem to us to embrace and learn. But I’m willing to concede your own demonstratedexpertise in “spewed garbage.” However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: "as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and nonexistent.Looks to me as though such an highly an educated feller (home-spun for “fellow’), like you shouldn’t have too much trouble figuring that out. Bush is whipping their asses,and they figure any change would be for the better.And you know what? They’re right. <snip>Please, if you want to argue politics, focus on real issues each candidate takes a specific stance on, such as stem cell research.If I want to argue politics? That’s the most ludicrous bleat yet! I don’t know youfrom Adam (I’m kinda’ particular). Until your God-Almighty, holier-than-thou excoriation of my post, (the thrust of which I now champion even stronge
RE: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Title: Message Communism in its theoretical sense is simply a version of socialism. Whether the generalization is true, Democrats are generally seen as supporting more social programs than Republicans, consequently given a choice between a republican and a Democratic candidate I suppose is not surprising that someone who believes in Communistic theories (very different than the totalitarian practices of Stalinistic USSR) would support the candidate perceived as socially focused, or "people-friendly". The argument in your new three statements is much better since it is more realistic, however in the academic sense it is still false logic since the first two statements are assumptions related to future events, rather than facts. Thus the third statement is only true should both of the first two assumptions come true. Consequently, the third statement is not true. = false logic. The CPUSA does not have a candidate capable of defeating Bush.Kerry is the only candidate that is capable of defeating Bush. The only way they can accomplish their goal to defeat Bush is to vote for Kerry.Mark Felling -Original Message-From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/EdwardsAt 03:21 PM 10/10/2004, Mark Felling wrote: Further, the logic saying that if the Communist Party does not support Bush (which I question the validity of such an official statement having been made), then they must support Kerry is just as silly. That is like saying if A does not equal B, then B must equal C. This is not a form of deduction or even induction, but rather one of the most common examples of false logic. The statement is on the official web site of the Communist Party USA. http://www.cpusa.org/Build Unity! Defeat Bush and the Ultra Right! "the overriding political task is to defeat Bush and his counterparts in Congress and elect Kerry and a more people-friendly Congress"The CPUSA does not have a candidate capable of defeating Bush.Kerry is the only candidate that is capable of defeating Bush. The only way they can accomplish their goal to defeat Bush is to vote for Kerry.I only went to college for 1 year and did take a logic class, so can you please explain how it is false logic?
[QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Title: Message Boyd, I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: "as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and nonexistent. Further, the logic saying that if the Communist Party does not support Bush (which I question the validity of such an official statement having been made), then they must support Kerry is just as silly. That is like saying if A does not equal B, then B must equal C. This is not a form of deduction or even induction, but rather one of the most common examples of false logic. (Look it up in any academic resource considering the topic of deduction) Please, if you want to argue politics, focus on real issues each candidate takes a specific stance on, such as stem cell research. (Note, so far I have not given an opinion or support for one side or the other) however if you watched the debate last night, Bush stated that he supported stem cell research but felt that the existing stem cell lines "he made available" were sufficient for scientific research. He believes these lines contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient?!" (he never contested the fact the lines were contaminated with mouse cells thus concedes that fact). He apparently believes treatments developed that are contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient" for you and I. Apparently he is so arrogant that he believes he knows more than the scientists who adamantly emphasize that their hands are tied with this restriction combined with the contamination. I wonder if his opinion would change if one of his drunken daughters broke her knack during one of her binges? It is true that I despise Bush, his ignorance of the world and international relations, his misconception for economics, his lack of vision for anything his father did not first try to push, etc. the only thing I support about him is his support for adoption as an alternative for late term, third trimester, abortions. Yet, did I state that I necessarily support Kerry? No. That my Democrat? No. Am I a student of international relations, specific to international cultural interactions & conflicts, international economic interactions, who has traveled the world, lived abroad, and speaks a number of languages? Yes. However, by the false, deductive logic in your previous statement Boyd, I guess I must be a Communist! Chuckle! Please be original rather then mimicking Internet spewed garbage... Mark Felling -Original Message-From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:29 PMTo: hey-guysSubject: Fw: [QUAD-L] Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Where exactly might I find evidence that this cast of criminals and ne'er-do-wells support Kerry? bin Laden is hiding in the hills and Saddam is in jail. The rest have no bearing on American elections except perhaps some twisted sense of revenge against Bush. Of course, all Republicans are righteous and would NEVER spin the truth. GOP is just a tiny letter removed from GOD, therefore it MUST be above reproach. Perfect logic. - Original Message - From: Boyd Jenkins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Tom Barker Thomas Barker ; Dolores Barrett ; Henry Cudo henry cudo ; Robert Dotson ; Duane Ebarb ; Carl Grishom ; Brant Jenkins ; Brant Jenkins Jenkins Brant Civ 608 COS/DOOO ; TL & Mollie Jenkins ; Carla Lammons ; Steve Lammons ; Terry Madden ; Lavonne Murphy ; Rhonda Pardue ; Cheri Pelletier ; RANDY an [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Kathie Troquille ; Brenda Waldrip Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Since the Kerry/Edwards ticket is courted by al-Qa'ida', as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq, and since that ticket is also supported by: Osama bin LadenSaddam HusseinAbu Musab Al-ZarqawiKim Jong-IlMohammad KhatamiMoammar al-Ghadafi Hu Jingtao Jacques ChiracGerhard Schroeder Kofi Annan,AND the Communist Party, USA, stating: “We haverefrained from fielding our own candidate so as not to distract from the main effort of defeating Bush and the ultra-right extremist agenda." We must count our great good fortune, that except formembers of the Communist Party, none of the listed entities enjoy our privilege of casting a ballot directly. The CPUSA’s collective anti-American posture makes a mockery of their citizenship.We need to keep President Bush in the oval office! Boyd
RE: [QUAD-L] dog training
Actually, in a recent conversation I had with Megan at Helping Hands (the only organization in the United States that trains helper monkey's, at least that I know of) she mentioned that this incident in New York is a large misconception. The monkey was not a helper monkey, but rather just a pet, that the owner claimed was a helper monkey simply to get around the ban on having monkeys as pets. Besides that, it was not even the breed commonly used, but rather an "old world monkey" that had not been raised in a home environment. Mark Felling -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 4:32 PM To: Dana Miller; quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] dog training I guess I have the animal in mind here. Like the monkey situation, in which the monkey was never intended to go out, his stupid owner took him out and the the "monkey" reputation gets scarred. I hate to see people take advantage of animals like that. I was at a concert once and there was a couple with a CC service dog and they treated him like he was a circus act. I wished I could have reported them. It was awful. You know that is very confusing to the dog and promotes misbehavior in the future. I think I need to give it up, as I'm simply an animal lover and not a SD user. River On Aug 27, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Dana Miller wrote: > You were wrong "and" right! A person with a disability as decribed by > the > ADA may train their own dog. BUT it must have a TRAINED task that > will help > with the persons' disability. > There are dogs that are trained for people with mental disabilities, > but > there is a fine line between what a "pet" can offer and what a trained > task > is. That is the big question. It has caused many an argument in the > service dog world. > A person who uses a SD "is" responsible for any destruction and "is" > liable > for everything the dog does, but the dog "should" be extremely well > trained, > have a stable temperament and should cause no attention towards itself. > The ADA does not require certification, but really frowns on fraud!! > And > people with SD's know a fraud when they see it. I personally like my > SD to > be 'dressed', as in a harness and do not pet cape. Others do not. > One thing is for certain--THERAPY DOGS ARE NOT SERVICE DOGS!! > I'm not yelling, I'm emphazising extremely well! > I am aquanted with Pets and People and feel they are an up and up > organization. There there are a few fraudulent organizations, one in > which > the vice-pres. diagnoses disabilities on line. It is more or less > based in > the Seattle area, but the veep travels all over supposedly helping > people > with SD 's in accessability issues. He flaunts a Ph.D he does not > have and > the state of Florida has forbidden him from using it. He doesn't--in > florida, but if he can get away with it elsewhere he will. > > Anyway, it was a good question to ask! Glad you did!take care, > Dana and ? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "River Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "quad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: [QUAD-L] dog training > > >> I have a question for all of you who have service dogs. Recently I >> encountered a person on another list (freecycle a place where you >> give away and ask for unwanted items) who asked for a service dog >> vest, as she was training her own dog for service. >> >> I ignorantly replied that there were special requirements for dog to >> earn their vests and that she couldn't train her dog on her own, as >> she would be liable for any damages incurred by the dog etc... >> >> Now I know differently and was throughly chewed out by her. So I'm >> asking you all who may know much more about this than I do. How can >> this be? It appears that from this website: >> http://www.petsandpeople.org/resource.htm Than anyone who "trains" >> their dog as a ehlper can buy a tag, vest or whatever and then go out >> in public with that dog. I see that some states have certification >> guidelines, which I think is a GOOD thing. >> >> Am I out of line to be concerned that dogs may not be "trained" well >> and my misbehave in public and thus give "throughly trained" dogs a >> bad name? Or am I over-reacting here? >> >> This particular person has PTSD and agoraphobia, I assume she is >> using the dog to ease her inability to cope with public places etc... >> >> Thanks for the input. >> >> River >> >> > >
RE: [QUAD-L] Free Pedometer for the asking
Title: Message I went there as was told but could not find anything to get a free pedometer, only a free sample. I filled out the form and requested the pedometer, however I have not received any sort of response and that was like one or two weeks ago. How did you get yours? -Original Message-From: ~LittleQuad~ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Quad-list postSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Free Pedometer for the asking lol...i got mine yesterday too.is so cute[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings All,I sent away for a free pedometer on Monday and it arrived on Friday. Pretty Fast, eh?I can't sign anyone up, but you can go there yourself and ask.www.citrucel.comDon't cost a penny, except your time. They make great presents for kids and young adults who wish to log their footsteps.W
RE: [QUAD-L] STUDENT LOANS
Title: Message However, they will probably tell you to fill that form and have your doctor sign it. Most likely, your doctor is simply being lazy and not getting around to signing it. (Unless he told you to your face that he will not sign it, and if that is the case find out why he will not sign it) first, physically go to your doctor's office and stay there until he signs it for you. The secretaries may say he's busy, so you may want to try to set up a five-minute appointment in advance explaining why you are coming in. If you just show up plans a campout for a while but don't give up, the squeaky wheel gets oil. Finally after all that if your doctor still refuses to sign it for some strange reason, let him know that he's not the only game in town and simply go to a different doctor. Also, sometimes on those forms they will accept verification from a therapist, an RN, or other officially titled individual such as medical assistance caseworker. If you are on medical assistance they also must determine that you are disable and maybe a copy of this determination will be sufficient. Mark -Original Message-From: Bryant's [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:31 AMTo: Quad-List submission; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] STUDENT LOANS Contact a Federal Student Aid Ombudsman through the US Dept of Education. Their job is to give you information and help with student loan problems. You may have to find another doctor to sign the forms. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DCS/forms/disable.pdf http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DCS/loan.cancellation.discharge.html#Disability Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] STUDENT LOANS Does anyone know anything about getting defaulted student loans reduced? I cannot afford the payments because I took out the loan prior to my disability. My income from SSDI is not enough to make the loan payment. I was one of fourteen students accepted into a new Honors programs at Indiana University this year, and now I can't even go to college. Voc rehab cannot help until I resolve this loan matter. I sent a form (the form that verifies I am disabled so that my loan can be reduced) from the financial aid office, to my doctor three times to verify that I am disabled, and they will not sign it. I am a quad resulting from a T1 spinal cord injury. How is that not a disability? I should be responsible for my debt, but I cannot afford it at this time. I desperately want to go to school. Does anyone know what I could do? <>
RE: [QUAD-L] Life Rolls in front of a bus...
Title: Message I agree with you Tony completely! I believe he does like the spotlight on himself and his own injury, but nonetheless no one is perfect and he is bringing more visibility to all of our situations. And even better is he has numerous celebrities as friends who hold even more potential to bring more visibility. Mark -Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Life Rolls in front of a bus...Whoa...love ya Tony, just love ya. Perhaps he's being a good "ambassador" for all us normal crips ;-)I get stuck in the mud all of the time when I'm pulling weeds. I always hope I can get out, as I don't root well.RivOn Aug 20, 2004, at 3:29 PM, Tony Starez wrote: Ok, here's my take on the Life Rolls On segment on Good Morning America!! i caught it right before i went to workpersonally, i don't see much of a message coming from the dude...he's just a goodlookin dude who's getting lots of attention, but the message should be that there very-well could be a medical solution on the horizon, but because our scientists have their hands tied, and severe lack of government funding, we might not see it in our lifetimeJesse's overwhelming message is 'get out there and live life' Well, in his case, he doesn't really have to work, he's still gettin the chicks and probably getting paid handsomely through the Life Rolls On.organd i think he loves the spotlight on HIS injury, not the thousands out here that are REALLY struggling. just my opinion...how u feelin??? tony - Original Message -From: Houston Leek To: QuadPirate ; quadlist Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:13 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] DREAM WORLDI missed it you all gonna have 2 start posting this stuff a few days earlier. Some of us only check emails 1 or 2 a day and on early nights in bed 7:30pm or so. Hopefully it will re-air. I love that this kid is brining funding and awareness to SCI as well as Christopher Reeves. That gives us others hope and a map of how we can get 2 where they are. If now you’re starting 2 think as I am that that’s the pinnacle of a quads life. Money, accessible house, van, trips, stardom & notoriety, experimental medicine, surgeries that are on the borderline of a cure. Well I can wait until they find a cure I don’t think I like being a guinea pig. I think Christopher Reeves looked scary when all his hair came out and they were drawing eyebrows on him. UGGHHH but somebody's gotta do it. Right? For a brighter future 4 us all one day. DREAMSOn 8/19/04 4:00 PM, "QuadPirate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:MEDIA ALERT Friday, August 20th 2004 at 8:05AM Good Morning America will air their recently completed story on Jesse Billauer, featuring the Life Rolls On Foundation. Set to broadcast at 8:05 AM PT/ET* on ABC (check your local listings), this exciting report will feature great interviews of Jesse Billauer, the Billauer Family, and others. Although we have yet to see the edited version, there will surely be some great information on the Life Rolls On Foundation as well. Footage from the new documentary "Jesse's Story," is used throughout. GMA is a two-hour show, from 7AM to 9AM, so if you are not going to be by a television we urge you to tape it. We urge you to tune in, tell your friends, and send LRO your feedback. The Good Morning America website can be found here . Hopefully they will load up some info on LRO soon. * Subject to changes out of our control. GMA is a 2 hour program (7AM to 9AM) , and we are unsure exactly what time Jesse's piece will air, but have been told 8:05AM.To remove yourself from all mailings from Life Rolls On Foundation, please click here To modify your profile, please click here . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[QUAD-L] AXIS Healthcare & Magic Bullet/Bisacodyl 10MG Suppositories availability
Title: Message AXIS Healthcare (http://www.axishealth.com/aboutus/mission.html ) only works with disabled individuals in the five County Metro area of Minneapolis Minnesota. The program only got started like two or three years ago as a kind of experiment/demo/example and is just beginning to grow more now, but is still not very big. It is part of a bigger alternative Health care coverage option the State of Minnesota has been doing for people on Medicare/Medicaid, etc. including seniors. Basically operating and managing it more like a private insurance company with its own Board of Trustees, etc. (http://www.ucare.org/) Hopefully both programs in the future it can be used as an example for other states and on a broader scale. At this time, AXIS Healthcare is still working out all the details in terms of best ratios of nurse liaisons to clients, etc. at least as of maybe five or six months ago when I talked to Christopher Duff, their President/CEO. The ziplock bag that the suppositories come in is labeled: "Bisacodyl 10MG Suppositories". As far as I understand they are the Magic Bullet or the same thing anyway, water-soluble suppositories and they do work much faster and better. I get them from from Geritom Med Inc. (952-854-1190), the locals pharmacy here that delivers. Since they deliver, I can imagine they would have no problem shipping product as long as they got a prescription and payment, etc. When my doctor prescribed them, there was no question about coverage from insurance anyway. Maybe it's just a matter of finding a doctor that is willing to prescribed them? Mark Felling -Original Message-From: Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic Bullet They won't compound them here for me because they don't want to get the ingredients if I am the only one that wants them. I can't get them covered in insurance. Oh, Mark can you tell us more about that program? cost? can people sign up for it still? Thanks in advance. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Mark Felling To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic Bullet I get them without a problem from a pharmacy here in Minneapolis. They are even covered and come with all my other prescriptions each month. I work with an alternative program to medical assistance called Axishealth Care for individuals with disabilities that was established by the State of Minnesota a few years ago as an experimental program. They seem much more willing to cover things normal medical assistance would not cover. -Original Message-From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:15 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic BulletI'M ALL FOR IT!Lorihttp:\\www.michaelsons.orgAt Sunday 8/15/2004 10:26 PM, you wrote: Maybe, just maybe if all of us contacted them, they may be willing to adjust their price a little bit. I think there are quite a bit of people on this list that use that product. What the hell, I've never used the magic bullet, but I'd be willing to write or call them. They may change their tune if they think they are going to lose a market as big as us. We do have the numbers.Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic Bullet In a message dated 8/15/04 4:35:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hi Guys, I agree with Lori, the Co., starting to make me irritated. I've just gone back to Ducolax Suppos. and a long bowel program. >> LOL, Your hooked on the product and as soon as its available again you'll be fighting with each other to get your order. I've seen that happen before with other products like gasoline. I truly wish that there was another product that worked as well, except for the emeneze and cost less... alot less. I too wish for a better resolve. W
RE: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic Bullet
Title: Message I get them without a problem from a pharmacy here in Minneapolis. They are even covered and come with all my other prescriptions each month. I work with an alternative program to medical assistance called Axishealth Care for individuals with disabilities that was established by the State of Minnesota a few years ago as an experimental program. They seem much more willing to cover things normal medical assistance would not cover. -Original Message-From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:15 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic BulletI'M ALL FOR IT!Lorihttp:\\www.michaelsons.orgAt Sunday 8/15/2004 10:26 PM, you wrote: Maybe, just maybe if all of us contacted them, they may be willing to adjust their price a little bit. I think there are quite a bit of people on this list that use that product. What the hell, I've never used the magic bullet, but I'd be willing to write or call them. They may change their tune if they think they are going to lose a market as big as us. We do have the numbers.Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Boycotting the Magic Bullet In a message dated 8/15/04 4:35:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hi Guys, I agree with Lori, the Co., starting to make me irritated. I've just gone back to Ducolax Suppos. and a long bowel program. >> LOL, Your hooked on the product and as soon as its available again you'll be fighting with each other to get your order. I've seen that happen before with other products like gasoline. I truly wish that there was another product that worked as well, except for the emeneze and cost less... alot less. I too wish for a better resolve. W
RE: [QUAD-L] Binder question
Title: Message Actually, I have questions about binders also. I've been using a large white elastic one with a strip of Velcro for the past year, and now I just tried a thoracic binder that doesn't seem to help very much in supporting the shoulders as it is intended, since the strap simply slide down my shoulders, so it gets very uncomfortable. An aide told me they worked with another client that had some type of larger binder with clips on it in addition to /or in place of Velcro, that provided very good support. Does anyone have suggestions? Brand names or product model names that you are using and have found successful would be helpful. Thank you! Mark Fellingwww.markfelling.com -Original Message-From: Eric Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:52 PMTo: Billy KimberlinCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Binder questionMy problem with binders is the velcro wears out so fast. Anyone know of a binder that doesn't use velcro? Billy Kimberlin wrote: I have been having similar problems with the new binders I am getting from the VA. currently I am using my older binders, which don't provide all the support I really need, but they are better than the new ones. I am probably going to have to look for another brand. As soon as I have more information about the brand I am using, I will e-mail you. Billy
[QUAD-L] business name idea
Title: Message
Bob, how about, "Quivering Shafts Archery", or
maybe "Stick It to It Archery Instruction", or "Center Point Archery"...
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As long
as were all here and on the Archery subject..Can yall help me with a name
for my company? "C-4 Mobile Archery Instruction" is about all I
can come up with..lolAny ideas?Bob Hickey
<--The Mobile Archey
Instructor--(((--
Mark
Felling
Rehabilitation Engineer
/ ConsultantDisability Coach &
Advocate
Broadened Horizons15382 80th Place NorthMaple Grove, MN
55311
[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.BroadenedHorizons.com
www.MarkFelling.com
tel: fax:
mobile:
952-223-3108
720-302-1916612-964-4406
Add me to your address book...
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[QUAD-L] Houston's wrist braces
Title: Message Houston, I was looking at some pictures of you, Andria, and StuntMan at the barbecue. It looks like you have some very small, black wrist braces on and I was wondering where you got them from or if you could send me the name of the product/manufacturer? If they are homemade could you send me details and pictures? I wear a powered wrist splint on my left hand that allows me to pick up things space ( http://home.comcast.net/~markfelling/id442.htm ), but I just have this big white splinting material contraption for my right wrist to keep it from flopping around, but would like something smaller and more elegant like appears you're wearing in the picture. Thank you! Mark Felling Rehabilitation Engineer / ConsultantDisability Coach & Advocate Broadened Horizons15382 80th Place NorthMaple Grove, MN 55311 [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.BroadenedHorizons.com www.MarkFelling.com tel: fax: mobile: 952-223-3108 720-302-1916612-964-4406 Add me to your address book... <>
