[QUAD-L] Broken bones
My son John is a C5-6 for going on 18 yrs, he will be 39 next week. Right now he has a broken leg and his knee cap is very swollen. Went to ER but there is not much for them to say but after a MRI of both legs it showed there have been several fractures on both legs. Is this something others find too ? Kathy
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It is most difficult to tell from here, via the internet. His primary doctor should be aware of this. Some meds are known to cause brittle bones. Fractures vary, for example a stress fracture vs a bone separation. Let us know what the primary doctors suggests. Elevation is good to reduce swelling. Best Wishes In a message dated 1/22/2012 12:07:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, kathy...@nycap.rr.com writes: My son John is a C5-6 for going on 18 yrs, he will be 39 next week. Right now he has a broken leg and his knee cap is very swollen. Went to ER but there is not much for them to say but after a MRI of both legs it showed there have been several fractures on both legs. Is this something others find too ? Kathy
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he is pushing furniture around isn't he? when there is no pain sensation - one can hurt himself very easily and very severely. I cooked my legs operating a charcoal grill once - a friend mentioned I should probably back up a bit. he was too late as I had 1st degree burns by then. be careful with such things. AZDAVE _daveoconnell.com_ (http://daveoconnell.com/) In a message dated 1/22/2012 11:07:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, kathy...@nycap.rr.com writes: My son John is a C5-6 for going on 18 yrs, he will be 39 next week. Right now he has a broken leg and his knee cap is very swollen. Went to ER but there is not much for them to say but after a MRI of both legs it showed there have been several fractures on both legs. Is this something others find too ? Kathy
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Hi Kathy, Bob Vogel here. I'm in my 26th year as aT10 complete para and I've had several (total of four) femur and or hip fractures in the past 20 years. I also wrote an article about osteoporosis/fracture and SCI in New Mobility http://www.newmobility.com/articleView.cfm?id=11538srch=osteoporosis I think the article will answer most of your questions (I hope). Sincerely, Bob Vogel Senior Correspondent/New Mobility Magazine On Jan 22, 2012, at 10:07 AM, kathy...@nycap.rr.com wrote: My son John is a C5-6 for going on 18 yrs, he will be 39 next week. Right now he has a broken leg and his knee cap is very swollen. Went to ER but there is not much for them to say but after a MRI of both legs it showed there have been several fractures on both legs. Is this something others find too ? Kathy
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Thanks Bob! Best Wishes In a message dated 1/22/2012 4:14:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, rhvsh...@pacbell.net writes: Hi Kathy, Bob Vogel here. I'm in my 26th year as aT10 complete para and I've had several (total of four) femur and or hip fractures in the past 20 years. I also wrote an article about osteoporosis/fracture and SCI in New Mobility http://www.newmobility.com/articleView.cfm?id=11538srch=osteoporosis I think the article will answer most of your questions (I hope). Sincerely, Bob Vogel Senior Correspondent/New Mobility Magazine On Jan 22, 2012, at 10:07 AM, kathy...@nycap.rr.com wrote: My son John is a C5-6 for going on 18 yrs, he will be 39 next week. Right now he has a broken leg and his knee cap is very swollen. Went to ER but there is not much for them to say but after a MRI of both legs it showed there have been several fractures on both legs. Is this something others find too ? Kathy
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He got antibiotics 6 days ago for the UTI. The AD symtoms are subsided. His rehab doc is seeing him on monday. He doesn't think jason needs surgery due to being immoble and it will complicate things more. We will see??? Thank you though. You all have been so great thanks. Hope you are all well!floee[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:AD is Autonomic Dysreflexia. If they do not know what it is you might ask if a doctor or a registered nurse can be contacted. It can lead to stroke and heart failure. Does he have a doctor of record? You won't cure a UTI without antibiotics.johnIn a message dated 7/4/2006 5:29:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you miss Liz and Eric olsen for all of your great advice one more thingHe says he has a mild case of AD going on I called the local ER they don't know what that is or how they can help him?Miss Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: post at www.sciwire.comthere's a dr. and nurse to answer questions- Original Message - From: Floreen Breyette To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Broken bones the vicodin makes him very out of it and talk about wierd stuff? thank you! you are a big help to me. You deserve a medal! thank you thank you thank you[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A physiatrist is a rehabiliation doctor. He is more likely to be aquainted with quadriplegics. County contracted vehicle? dayum. If you can take his blood preasure then keep an eye on it. Watch that the bottom number doesn't stay over 100 for very long. Keep him passing fluids and be sure the brace isn't too tight. You should be able to feel his pulse in his feet. You can turn him and use pillows to prop and stabilize his leg. Tell him not to freak.That won't help. If he says hes shaking violently inside and his muscles are contracting uncontrollably then hes having Autonomic dysreflexia. You need to get his heart elevated and get him to the hospital to control it stay calm. I broke a lot of bones when Ibroke myneck. Give himaspirin for his fever. You can double on the vicodin if hes in a lot of pain when you turn him. If you have extra egg crates you can put them on the bed so you don't have to turn him as often You might want to try gettin him thinking about other stuff. If you have to ride in a county whatever, ask the driving doood to drive like a carefulold man cause you intend to sue the other driving doood for driving like a moron without securing the patient properly I don't know much about whats happening with him. If he cant calm down then he should probably be at the hospital. Sending you home without any blood preasure meds was stupid, but doctors aren't always real smart.john In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a physiatrist? I am sorry I am new at this..Jason was being transported by the county contracted vehiclewhen they took a sharp turn and he feel out onto the floor of the van __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Heres what your choice will be. 1, stabilize the leg, depending on the severity of the fracture. Probably be fitting with velcro splint. Try not to agriuvate it for a few months but begin mild ROM after about 4-6 weeks. No weight on it for probably3 to 4 months. Choice #2, surgery. Doctors will dread this option. soft bones don't work well with screws and require a delicate touch. High posibility of infection. 2 weeks to a month in hospital. then all of option number 1 with rehab visits. Everytrhing will be dependant on how bad the leg is fractured. No guarantees that they heal straight in either case. if you are on medicare/medicaid, option 1 is what you'll get. Real good insurance might pay for option 2. If it was a compound or complete fracture they probably would have done something immediatly. I wish you the best of luck whatever you do. john In a message dated 7/6/2006 7:18:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that the opinion ofjust a medical doctor, or a bone specialist? Granted, he won't be dancing on his legs in the near term, but long term issues could occur. Nothing like bring in a Osto to review the Rays. Best Wishes W-Original Message-From: Floreen Breyette [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Broken bones He got antibiotics 6 days ago for the UTI. The AD symtoms are subsided. His rehab doc is seeing him on monday. He doesn't think jason needs surgery due to being immoble and it will complicate things more. We will see??? Thank you though. You all have been so great thanks. Hope you are all well!floee[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AD is Autonomic Dysreflexia. If they do not know what it is you might ask if a doctor or a registered nurse can be contacted. It can lead to stroke and heart failure. Does he have a doctor of record? You won't cure a UTI without antibiotics. john In a message dated 7/4/2006 5:29:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you miss Liz and Eric olsen for all of your great advice one more thingHe says he has a mild case of AD going on I called the local ER they don't know what that is or how they can help him?Miss Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: post at www.sciwire.com there's a dr. and nurse to answer questions - Original Message - From: Floreen Breyette To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Broken bones the vicodin makes him very out of it and talk about wierd stuff? thank you! you are a big help to me. You deserve a medal! thank you thank you thank you[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A physiatrist is a rehabiliation doctor. He is more likely to be aquainted with quadriplegics. County contracted vehicle? dayum. If you can take his blood preasure then keep an eye on it. Watch that the bottom number doesn't stay over 100 for very long. Keep him passing fluids and be sure the brace isn't too tight. You should be able to feel his pulse in his feet. You can turn him and use pillows to prop and stabilize his leg. Tell him not to freak.That won't help. If he says hes shaking violently inside and his muscles are contracting uncontrollably then hes having Autonomic dysreflexia. You need to get his heart elevated and get him to the hospital to control it stay calm. I broke a lot of bones when Ibroke myneck. Give himaspirin for his fever. You can double on the vicodin if hes in a lot of pain when you turn him. If you have extra egg crates you can put them on the bed so you don't have to turn him as often You might want to try gettin him thinking about other stuff. If you have to ride in a county whatever, ask the driving doood to drive like a carefulold man cause you intend to sue the other driving doood for driving like a moron without securing the patient properly I don't know much about whats happening with him. If he cant calm down then he should probably be at the hospital. Sending you home without any blood preasure meds was stupid, but doctors aren't always real smart. john In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a physiatrist? I am sorry I am new at this..Jason was being transported by the county contracted vehiclewhen they took a sharp turn and he feel out onto the floor of the van __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
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AD is Autonomic Dysreflexia. If they do not know what it is you might ask if a doctor or a registered nurse can be contacted. It can lead to stroke and heart failure. Does he have a doctor of record? You won't cure a UTI without antibiotics. john In a message dated 7/4/2006 5:29:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you miss Liz and Eric olsen for all of your great advice one more thingHe says he has a mild case of AD going on I called the local ER they don't know what that is or how they can help him?Miss Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: post at www.sciwire.com there's a dr. and nurse to answer questions - Original Message - From: Floreen Breyette To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Broken bones the vicodin makes him very out of it and talk about wierd stuff? thank you! you are a big help to me. You deserve a medal! thank you thank you thank you[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A physiatrist is a rehabiliation doctor. He is more likely to be aquainted with quadriplegics. County contracted vehicle? dayum. If you can take his blood preasure then keep an eye on it. Watch that the bottom number doesn't stay over 100 for very long. Keep him passing fluids and be sure the brace isn't too tight. You should be able to feel his pulse in his feet. You can turn him and use pillows to prop and stabilize his leg. Tell him not to freak.That won't help. If he says hes shaking violently inside and his muscles are contracting uncontrollably then hes having Autonomic dysreflexia. You need to get his heart elevated and get him to the hospital to control it stay calm. I broke a lot of bones when Ibroke myneck. Give himaspirin for his fever. You can double on the vicodin if hes in a lot of pain when you turn him. If you have extra egg crates you can put them on the bed so you don't have to turn him as often You might want to try gettin him thinking about other stuff. If you have to ride in a county whatever, ask the driving doood to drive like a carefulold man cause you intend to sue the other driving doood for driving like a moron without securing the patient properly I don't know much about whats happening with him. If he cant calm down then he should probably be at the hospital. Sending you home without any blood preasure meds was stupid, but doctors aren't always real smart. john In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a physiatrist? I am sorry I am new at this..Jason was being transported by the county contracted vehiclewhen they took a sharp turn and he feel out onto the floor of the van
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My second year as a quad I broke my leg below the knee dancing - lol this was waaay back in 1974 04 1975 and they put on a regular hard cast and when it came off I had the MOTHER of pressure sore on my heal that took 10x's longer to heal then my broken leg. Bobbie
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Floreen Breyette wrote: He also tore his miniscus(sp?) That's cartilage.. He also has a UTI on top of it. They won't operate until the infection is taken care of. Eric
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Thank you miss Liz and Eric olsen for all of your great advice one more thingHe says he has a mild case of AD going on I called the local ER they don't know what that is or how they can help him?Miss Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: post at www.sciwire.comthere's a dr. and nurse to answer questions- Original Message - From: Floreen Breyette To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Broken bones the vicodin makes him very out of it and talk about wierd stuff? thank you! you are a big help to me. You deserve a medal! thank you thank you thank you[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A physiatrist is a rehabiliation doctor. He is more likely to be aquainted with quadriplegics. County contracted vehicle? dayum. If you can take his blood preasure then keep an eye on it. Watch that the bottom number doesn't stay over 100 for very long. Keep him passing fluids and be sure the brace isn't too tight. You should be able to feel his pulse in his feet. You can turn him and use pillows to prop and stabilize his leg. Tell him not to freak.That won't help. If he says hes shaking violently inside and his muscles are contracting uncontrollably then hes having Autonomic dysreflexia. You need to get his heart elevated and get him to the hospital to control it stay calm. I broke a lot of bones when Ibroke myneck. Give himaspirin for his fever. You can double on the vicodin if hes in a lot of pain when you turn him. If you have extra egg crates you can put them on the bed so you don't have to turn him as often You might want to try gettin him thinking about other stuff. If you have to ride in a county whatever, ask the driving doood to drive like a carefulold man cause you intend to sue the other driving doood for driving like a moron without securing the patient properly I don't know much about whats happening with him. If he cant calm down then he should probably be at the hospital. Sending you home without any blood preasure meds was stupid, but doctors aren't always real smart.john In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a physiatrist? I am sorry I am new at this..Jason was being transported by the county contracted vehiclewhen they took a sharp turn and he feel out onto the floor of the vanYahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
[QUAD-L] Broken bones
Dear Quad list, My boyfriend is a level C5-6 he was just informed today he broke his knee below the knee cap. they haven't scheduled surgery but says he needs it. I am worried about him. Has anyone ever broken a bone after a SCI? Please help.floee Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
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Note: forwarded message attached. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.---BeginMessage--- He also tore his miniscus(sp?) They told him to stay off of it until after the holiday until and orthopedic surgeon can take a look at it. They told him no rom on that leg. Is there anything I can do to not have him get any sores from lying down so much besides regular turning? Thank you so much for your help. He also has a UTI on top of it. Eric Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 for me. Right arm just below the head of my shoulder. A nurse dumped me out of bed. That never did heal straight. The other was my left tibia (shin). This was purely wheelchair driver error. That healed fine. It took a long time though. I don't know anything about your boyfriend's break but being that close to the knee, maybe healing improperly would limit the joint's range of motion. Just guessing why they are recommending surgical repair. Eric Floreen Breyette wrote:Dear Quad list, My boyfriend is a level C5-6 he was just informed today he broke his knee below the knee cap. they haven't scheduled surgery but says he needs it. I am worried about him. Has anyone ever broken a bone after a SCI? Please help.floee Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.---End Message---
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2 for me. Right arm just below the head of my shoulder. A nurse dumped me out of bed. That never did heal straight. The other was my left tibia (shin). This was purely wheelchair driver error. That healed fine. It took a long time though. I don't know anything about your boyfriend's break but being that close to the knee, maybe healing improperly would limit the joint's range of motion. Just guessing why they are recommending surgical repair. Eric Floreen Breyette wrote: Dear Quad list, My boyfriend is a level C5-6 he was just informed today he broke his knee below the knee cap. they haven't scheduled surgery but says he needs it. I am worried about him. Has anyone ever broken a bone after a SCI? Please help. floee Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
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I slipped off my sliding board in the 93 and did an awesome job on my leftknee. I didn't realize it at first. I was mostly P.O.ed at myself for falling. I went to the doctors the next evening noticing I was feeling awful and thought I had a badkidney infectionand my knee was real swollen.(pretty sure I had hurt it) Pain meds helped my kidneys. They just put an adjustable velcro splint on my leg and it healed slowly, but I had to start ROM befor it healed and fused in a singleposition. You may want to see if his discolored urine clears up with some vicodin. Pain can cause kidneys and other organs to mess up. Ya don't feel it but its there. They should have splinted his leg. I Think you want a 30 degree angle at the knee. If AD (Autonomic Dysreflexia) starts you should call 911 and goto the ER. Try to get a physiatrist to consult. Watch his blood preasure. Make him comfortable if he starts running a fever. Use ice on the knee. and try some pain meds. If kidney output keeps dropping, head to the ER. I'm willing to bet the pain is causing what appears to be a UTI. good luck, john In a message dated 7/3/2006 6:00:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He also tore his miniscus(sp?) They told him to stay off of it until after the holiday until and orthopedic surgeon can take a look at it. They told him no rom on that leg. Is there anything I can do to not have him get any sores from lying down so much besides regular turning? Thank you so much for your help. He also has a UTI on top of it.
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Thank you so much! Oddly enough he did test positive for his urine culture and also today he got a script for hydrocodone which is generic brand of vicodin. He also tore his miniscis??? I put a knee brace on it I am just worried about sores being so still for so long. Help[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I slipped off my sliding board in the 93 and did an awesome job on my leftknee. I didn't realize it at first. I was mostly P.O.ed at myself for falling. I went to the doctors the next evening noticing I was feeling awful and thought I had a badkidney infectionand my knee was real swollen.(pretty sure I had hurt it) Pain meds helped my kidneys. They just put an adjustable velcro splint on my leg and it healed slowly, but I had to start ROM befor it healed and fused in a singleposition. You may want to see if his discolored urine clears up with some vicodin. Pain can cause kidneys and other organs to mess up. Ya don't feel it but its there. They should have splinted his leg. I Think you want a 30 degree angle at the knee. If AD (Autonomic Dysreflexia) starts you should call 911 and goto the ER. Try to get a physiatrist to consult. Watch his blood preasure. Make him comfortable if he starts running a fever. Use ice on the knee. and try some pain meds. If kidney output keeps dropping, head to the ER. I'm willing to bet the pain is causing what appears to be a UTI. good luck, john In a message dated 7/3/2006 6:00:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He also tore his miniscus(sp?) They told him to stay off of it until after the holiday until and orthopedic surgeon can take a look at it. They told him no rom on that leg. Is there anything I can do to not have him get any sores from lying down so much besides regular turning? Thank you so much for your help. He also has a UTI on top of it. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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the vicodin makes him very out of it and talk about wierd stuff? thank you! you are a big help to me. You deserve a medal! thank you thank you thank you[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A physiatrist is a rehabiliation doctor. He is more likely to be aquainted with quadriplegics. County contracted vehicle? dayum. If you can take his blood preasure then keep an eye on it. Watch that the bottom number doesn't stay over 100 for very long. Keep him passing fluids and be sure the brace isn't too tight. You should be able to feel his pulse in his feet. You can turn him and use pillows to prop and stabilize his leg. Tell him not to freak.That won't help. If he says hes shaking violently inside and his muscles are contracting uncontrollably then hes having Autonomic dysreflexia. You need to get his heart elevated and get him to the hospital to control it stay calm. I broke a lot of bones when Ibroke myneck. Give himaspirin for his fever. You can double on the vicodin if hes in a lot of pain when you turn him. If you have extra egg crates you can put them on the bed so you don't have to turn him as often You might want to try gettin him thinking about other stuff. If you have to ride in a county whatever, ask the driving doood to drive like a carefulold man cause you intend to sue the other driving doood for driving like a moron without securing the patient properly I don't know much about whats happening with him. If he cant calm down then he should probably be at the hospital. Sending you home without any blood preasure meds was stupid, but doctors aren't always real smart.john In a message dated 7/3/2006 8:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a physiatrist? I am sorry I am new at this..Jason was being transported by the county contracted vehiclewhen they took a sharp turn and he feel out onto the floor of the van Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
