Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Todd, I agree with you that consulting an attorney can be beneficial at times, but as a former law enforcement officer myself, I would recommend taking a picture of the violation, calling the station to complain to a supervisor that the law was not enforced properly, following that up with an official written complaint, and then if nothing has happened to your satisfaction, go see that lawyer with all of the documentation. It's a lot of work, but it usually yields much better results. As for demanding a citation had an accident, you can try, but most officers will only issue a citation if they feel it is necessary. When reporting on an accident the officer can assign blame in the accident report without issuing a citation, however, most departments or agencies require that a citation be issued if fault can be definitively determined. I have ran into problems with police officers not wanting to properly enforce parking regulations and to be honest, have not always followed up due to time constraints or does my own laziness. For those of you out there who really feel strongly about this it may behoove you to talk to your local enforcement agencies or the politicians in the area about stepping up enforcement of this law. In the state of Florida a large part of the proceeds from these violations go directly to governing entity controlling the area in which the violation occurred. For instance, if it took place in Tampa, the city would get a large percentage of the paid fine. If it took place outside Tampa, then the County would get the funds. Initially this would help pay for the budget shortfalls and eventually these parking violations would decrease to the point where we could see a significant impact. As many other people have mentioned, there is a significant disconnect between the amount of people receiving placards and wheelchair license plates and the actual number who are truly qualified. These laws need to be tightened up in most states. I just thought I would mention one thing that has started happening here which has had some impact. At some events where special disabled parking has been assigned, there is a law enforcement officer standing at the entrance and making sure the person to whom the placard was issued is actually in the vehicle. If not, they take the placard from the individuals. I'm not sure whether they are issuing citations, but I sure hope so. It has made it a little bit easier for some of us to get wheelchair accessible parking at sporting events or concerts. Quadius On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Tod E. Santee sant...@cox.net wrote: Ron -- Maybe a quick conference with an attorney will tell you if the police must file a report and/or citation. If so, filing a suit alleging the police officer did not fulfill his duties might be the only way to get their attention and force them to enforce. Maybe there *is* a certain amount of discretion allowed by the responding officer ... like the Harly was mostly in a parking spot but protuding into the stripes they can forgive. On the other hand, in some places just parking with your tires -ON- the line between spaces will get you a citation. I know in any accident you should always demand that citation is issued... that way there's a formal record. Same should be done with parking violations... the Harley rider and Officer can then explain to a judge why a fine should be waived!! It's an unfortunate reality -- Using The Law is the only *real* recourse we have... without getting cited ourselves. Best to All, --Tod
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas tanks. :-) Be
it a car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit.
Lori
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to
me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked
in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6
inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the
prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all
the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care
if they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he
moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and
bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket
and was laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and
will do it again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont
enforce the lined off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The
next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to
kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor
vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on
them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually
enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's *licenses* out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and
therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the
population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!
Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who
seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be
on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state
and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to
be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I
can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a
certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people
should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to
themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the
disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to
take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those
individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp
access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so
that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving
around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in
them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to
get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area.
Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and
policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked
them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant
about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a
policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other
handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,
don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him
the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).
Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being
+300lbs) actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but
what I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects
the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
--
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*Subject:* [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the
National Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT IF YOU HARM THEIR VEHICLE , WILL KILL YOU DEAD,
THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR HANDICAPPED OR NOT.
--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:15 PM
Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas tanks. :-) Be it a
car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit.
Lori
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in
the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches
from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten
minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time
and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block
all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into
the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I
later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about
the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin
short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so
dirtbags will continue to park
there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a
friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles
gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out
like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced
or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore
cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles
between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and
my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a
law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't
remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age,
reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be
on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled
spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it
disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that
my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around
looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
THEY HAVE TO CATCH YOU FIRST ;)
At 04:42 PM 1/25/2009, Danny Hearn said something that elicited my response:
I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT IF YOU HARM THEIR VEHICLE , WILL
KILL YOU DEAD, THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR HANDICAPPED OR NOT.
--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:15 PM
Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas
tanks. :-) Be it a car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit.
Lori
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT
mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.netr.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that
happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley
motorcycle was parked in the lined off section between the only two
handicapped spots they have. I pulled in one of the handicapped
spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches from the motorcycle. I
called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten minutes
later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time
and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if
they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he
moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the
guy and bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt
receive any ticket and was laughing about the situation saying he
does this all the time and will do it again. Soin short the
problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so
dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I
wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the
20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of
motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair
insignias on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are
actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and
they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely
think yet not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they
used to be and therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are
great except the population doubles between October and May or
somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic doubles and the
stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know where
they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New
York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning
saying There ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers
licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age
he said but I more than agree! At a certain age, reflexes have
slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be on
the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius
mailto:quad...@gmail.comquad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the
disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't
have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for
those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with
the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible
spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels
like to be driving around looking for a parking place while
nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn
mailto:kult...@yahoo.comkult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable
to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped
access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think
its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard
parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so
I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was
adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard),
saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when
there are no other handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied)
guy said without apology, don't get me started, my wife has Lou
Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to park anywhere in
a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy with a
placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs)
actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
THAT'S RIGHT, CATCH YOU FIRST BUT MOST ALL CRIMINALS THINK THEY GOT AWAY WITH CRIME ONLY TO FIND OUT THEY ARE CAUGHT BY AN UNSEEN LOT CAMERA OR AN UNSEEN PERSON IN A CAR ROWS AWAY THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE SEEN YOU -- YOUR VEHICLE AND OR LISCENCE PLATE ;-) --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Dan d...@unh.edu wrote: From: Dan d...@unh.edu Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:00 PM THEY HAVE TO CATCH YOU FIRST ;) At 04:42 PM 1/25/2009, Danny Hearn said something that elicited my response: I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT IF YOU HARM THEIR VEHICLE , WILL KILL YOU DEAD, THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR HANDICAPPED OR NOT. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:15 PM Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas tanks. :-) Be it a car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit. Lori On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey guys, I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn. Ron c7 Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible! The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not. Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary! I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves. Lori On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them. Quadius On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I WUS JES CHEKN HIS OL YER ONA AN ON AKSIDNT I SPILT A LIL CLOREN INTA DA OL. MY BAD. At 05:17 PM 1/25/2009, Danny Hearn said something that elicited my response: THAT'S RIGHT, CATCH YOU FIRST BUT MOST ALL CRIMINALS THINK THEY GOT AWAY WITH CRIME ONLY TO FIND OUT THEY ARE CAUGHT BY AN UNSEEN LOT CAMERA OR AN UNSEEN PERSON IN A CAR ROWS AWAY THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE SEEN YOU -- YOUR VEHICLE AND OR LISCENCE PLATE ;-) --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Dan d...@unh.edu wrote: From: Dan d...@unh.edu Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:00 PM THEY HAVE TO CATCH YOU FIRST ;) At 04:42 PM 1/25/2009, Danny Hearn said something that elicited my response: I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT IF YOU HARM THEIR VEHICLE , WILL KILL YOU DEAD, THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR HANDICAPPED OR NOT. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:15 PM Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas tanks. :-) Be it a car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit. Lori On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.netr.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey guys, I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn. Ron c7 Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible! The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not. Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary! I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves. Lori On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius mailto:quad...@gmail.comquad...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them. Quadius On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn mailto:kult...@yahoo.comkult...@yahoo.com wrote: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). One woman who left me waiting
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Is this the malicous parking law?
john
--- On Sat, 1/24/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: Quadius quad...@gmail.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 6:58 PM
Yeah.
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles
gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out
like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced
or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore
cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles
between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and
my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a
law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't
remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age,
reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be
on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled
spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it
disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that
my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around
looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National
Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over who
is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking in
spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to, said
Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats, introduced
a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of acquiring a
placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation twice, but the
bill stalled in the House both times
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Do they call it suicide by redneck? Those are the folks on deathrow in Texas. you need toi meet some new people. No offence. john From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com; Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT IF YOU HARM THEIR VEHICLE , WILL KILL YOU DEAD, THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR HANDICAPPED OR NOT. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:15 PM Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas tanks. :-) Be it a car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit. Lori On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey guys, I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn. Ron c7 Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible! The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not. Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary! I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves. Lori On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them. Quadius On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
shoot i know people that served only 8 years for murder ! and are out now John lolalthough i know them well, i choose to hang with my nice church folks. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, John S. alcibiat...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John S. alcibiat...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 6:30 PM Do they call it suicide by redneck? Those are the folks on deathrow in Texas. you need toi meet some new people. No offence. john From: Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com; Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:42:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, THAT IF YOU HARM THEIR VEHICLE , WILL KILL YOU DEAD, THEY DON'T CARE IF YOUR HANDICAPPED OR NOT. --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: r.pra...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:15 PM Perhaps always carry a bottle of sugar water to put in gas tanks. :-) Be it a car, motorcycle, SUV, etc -- cripple them up for a bit. Lori On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:16 PM, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey guys, I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn. Ron c7 Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible! The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not. Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary! I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves. Lori On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them. Quadius On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). One woman who left me waiting
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Yeah.
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor
vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on
them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually
enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's *licenses* out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and
therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the
population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!
Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who
seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be
on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state
and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to
be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I
can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a
certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people
should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to
themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the
disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to
take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those
individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp
access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so
that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving
around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in
them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to
get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area.
Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and
policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked
them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant
about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a
policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other
handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,
don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him
the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).
Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being
+300lbs) actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but
what I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects
the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
--
*From:* wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
*To:* kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
*Cc:* jco...@postandcourier.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
*Subject:* [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the
National Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in
the striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds
over who is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking
in spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to,
said Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats,
introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of
acquiring a placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation
twice, but the bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said.
Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of
the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the
problem.
There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV and the physician who
writes the prescription (for the
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in
the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches
from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten
minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time
and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block
all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into
the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I
later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about
the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin
short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so
dirtbags will continue to park
there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a
friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles
gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out
like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced
or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore
cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles
between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and
my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a
law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't
remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age,
reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be
on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled
spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it
disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that
my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around
looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National
Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Hey Ron, are you sure that it wasn't another cop as in the Blue Code?
His Chief might have handled it differently, but I can only guess
Best Wishes
In a message dated 1/24/2009 9:16:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes:
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in
the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches
from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob.
Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the
time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they
block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back
into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him
outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was
laughing
about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again.
Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off
sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I
wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar
bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor
vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on
them)
out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually
enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and
therefore
cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population
doubles between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the
traffic
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state
and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to
be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I
can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain
age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should
not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to
themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius _quad...@gmail.com_
(mailto:quad...@gmail.com) wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the
disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take
it
disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who
drive
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so
that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving
around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in
them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn _kult...@yahoo.com_
(mailto:kult...@yahoo.com) wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get
into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant
about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman
had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with
a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I
was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com)
_wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com)
To: _kkba...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kkba...@yahoo.com) ;
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
i guess at least i did something about the ignorant self centered fool.If
everybody with vans called the cops something would eventually change.
ron c7
--- On Sat, 1/24/09, wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com wrote:
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 9:35 PM
Hey Ron, are you sure that it wasn't another cop as in the Blue Code?
His Chief might have handled it differently, but I can only guess
Best Wishes
In a message dated 1/24/2009 9:16:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes:
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in
the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches
from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten
minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time
and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block
all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into
the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I
later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about
the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin
short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so
dirtbags will continue to park
there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a
friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles
gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out
like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced
or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore
cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles
between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and
my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a
law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't
remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age,
reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be
on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled
spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it
disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that
my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around
looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
no, guarantee i'd b on the horn, they'd thought it was a biker rally...normal
body people suk, (if they want 2 b included)
Eric W Rudd
c5sc...@gmail.com
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From: wheelch...@aol.com
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Hey Ron, are you sure that it wasn't another cop as in the Blue Code?
His Chief might have handled it differently, but I can only guess
Best Wishes
In a message dated 1/24/2009 9:16:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes:
Hey guys,
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that
happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle
was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they
have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6
inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the
prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all
the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if
they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it
back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him
outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was
laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it
again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined
off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this
happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the
20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
Ron c7
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of
motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias
on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible!
The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are
actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not.
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and
they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet
not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and
therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the
population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!
Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who
seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on
the road! Scary!
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New
York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There
ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of
xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a
certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people
should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to
themselves.
Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote:
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in
the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to
take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals
who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an
accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels
like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people
are ensconced in them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been
unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access
area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and
policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them
to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned
was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a
policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other
handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,
don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him
the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).
Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being
+300lbs) actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Ron -- Maybe a quick conference with an attorney will tell you if the police must file a report and/or citation. If so, filing a suit alleging the police officer did not fulfill his duties might be the only way to get their attention and force them to enforce. Maybe there *is* a certain amount of discretion allowed by the responding officer ... like the Harly was mostly in a parking spot but protuding into the stripes they can forgive. On the other hand, in some places just parking with your tires -ON- the line between spaces will get you a citation. I know in any accident you should always demand that citation is issued... that way there's a formal record. Same should be done with parking violations... the Harley rider and Officer can then explain to a judge why a fine should be waived!! It's an unfortunate reality -- Using The Law is the only *real* recourse we have... without getting cited ourselves. Best to All, --Tod RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey guys, I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn. Ron c7 Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out like candy. If you have white hair -- eligible! The problem with bills being passed -- is whether they are actually enforced or not. Unfortunately usually not. Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a retirement attraction city and they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore cause many accidents. The winters here are great except the population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there! Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road! Scary! I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying There ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!! I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree! At a certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves. Lori On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access. There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them. Quadius On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease,
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled
spot. I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it
disabled spots most of the time. I really feel for those individuals who
drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so
that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving
around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in
them.
Quadius
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn kult...@yahoo.com wrote:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get
into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen
will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as
they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant
about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a
policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other
handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,
don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him
the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).
Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being
+300lbs) actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but
what I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects
the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
--
*From:* wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
*To:* kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
*Cc:* jco...@postandcourier.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
*Subject:* [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the
National Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over
who is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking
in spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to,
said Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats,
introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of
acquiring a placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation
twice, but the bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said.
Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of
the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the
problem.
There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV and the physician who
writes the prescription (for the placard), Jacildone said.
A Watchdog report earlier this year found the Department of Motor Vehicles
does not record physicians' information, leaving no way to check whether a
physician actually filled out the form. The bill would connect those dots
with a form that will stay on file with the DMV.
The proposed law also would redefine a person with a disability.
The current law may not include a person with Multiple Sclerosis because
they may not look like they have a disease, she said. Many people with MS
suffer fatigue, which worsens throughout the day.
And finally, the legislation would connect the person and the placard with
an identification card, which law enforcement personnel could look at and
match.
Although not part of the proposed law, the MS society would like to see
more clarification in the law regarding who has jurisdiction for
enforcement.
Some agencies will tell us they will go to business parking lots. Others
say it's private property, Jacildone said.
We would also like to see more language about access aisles, she said.
Cars sometimes park in the striped areas next to designated spaces. That
aisle is necessary for a person with a disability to get in and out of their
wheelchair or scooter.
Reach Jill Coley at 937-5719 or jco...@postandcourier.com.
--
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Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I wonder if the police show up to those properties to arrest shoplifters and
take reports on other crimes?
Q
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John S. alcibiat...@yahoo.com wrote:
The joke in Ohio is that most parking lots are on private property and cops
do NOT enforce parking lot rules on private property.
john
--- On *Mon, 1/19/09, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net* wrote:
From: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 6:46 PM
I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash
lines as well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block
the wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This
sometimes isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small
portion of the front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go
towards the back and take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking
to people will get you called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is
people dont respect handicap spots because police seldom enforce handicap
violations. If your gonna drve a side entry van all I can say is you have to
anticipate a prob and be proactive. It sucks, but will get better over time.
Ron c7
--- On *Mon, 1/19/09, dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com* wrote:
From: dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r...@sockets.com, wheelch...@aol.com, kkba...@yahoo.com,
ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly
believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have
something they don't. My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if
I give her one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not
fair. These feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure.
Check my observances -- HC Parking in Glendale
AZhttp://ocgrands.com/hcpark/index.html
AZDAVE
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space
DAVEOCONNELL.COM http://daveoconnell.com/
In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
kult...@yahoo.com writes:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get
into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen
will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as
they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant
about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a
policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other
handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,
don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him
the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).
Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being
+300lbs) actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but
what I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects
the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
--
*From:* wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
*To:* kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
*Cc:* jco...@postandcourier.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
*Subject:* [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the
National Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over
who is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking
in spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to,
said Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats,
introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of
acquiring a placard. The state Senate
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I must admit that there have been times when I've accidently on
purpose dented or scratched the offending vehicle while 'trying' to
enter or exit my van. If more of us did this, perhaps these idiots
would give us the exaggerated space they do when they meet us on the sidewalk.
Dan
At 10:19 PM 1/19/2009, bob quinn said something that elicited my response:
Yes, I have taken to parking defensively. Nonetheless, when I see
people parking over the yellow lines, I will take the time (as
nicely as possible) to educate them. Some people don't mind my
imposition, some actually thank me, but the majority get angry,
defensive and dismissive. I don't mind, though. I accept and
embrace my role as The Angry Crip (aka, the grouchy guy in a
wheelchair). I have to believe it helps, even if only a
little. Its a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. 8-)
From: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash
lines as well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not
block the wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b
blocked. This sometimes isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal
and take up a small portion of the front hash. If I find no handicap
spots available and go towards the back and take up two spots. The
police are lil help and talking to people will get you called an
angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap
spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your
gonna drve a side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate
a prob and be proactive. It sucks, but will get better over time.
Ron c7
--- On Mon, 1/19/09, dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com wrote:
From: dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r...@sockets.com, wheelch...@aol.com, kkba...@yahoo.com,
ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who
firmly believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because
we have something they don't. My 6 year old grand daughter firmly
believes that if I give her one thing and her step sister the exact
same thing, that's not fair. These feelings of what's fair have
deep seeded roots for sure.
Check my observances --
http://ocgrands.com/hcpark/index.htmlHC Parking in Glendale AZ
AZDAVE
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space
http://daveoconnell.com/DAVEOCONNELL.COM
In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
kult...@yahoo.com writes:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable
to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped
access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think
its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard
parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so
I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was
adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard),
saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when
there are no other handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied)
guy said without apology, don't get me started, my wife has Lou
Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to park anywhere in
a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy with a
placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs)
actually said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I
could go on. I was never anything but respectful in all encounters,
but what I usually got in return was far, far from it. I guess that
reflects the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off
the National Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park
in the striped
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
right on dude. might makes right - I grew up with a brother like that. Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/) In a message dated 1/20/2009 11:12:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, d...@unh.edu writes: They will have to get by my PCA cadre first. ;) Bring em on. Dan At 10:53 AM 1/20/2009, dav...@aol.com said: more likely you will get thrown from your chair by the irate owner since putting together scratches and parking 5 feet away from anyone is beyond their comprehention levels.  they will however not hold back retaliating against a cripple for defiling their golden charriot. -Original Message- From: Dan d...@unh.edu To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 8:02 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I must admit that there have been times when I've accidently on purpose dented or scratched the offending vehicle while 'trying' to enter or exit my van. If more of us did this, perhaps these idiots would give us the exaggerated space they do when they meet us on the sidewalk. Dan At 10:19 PM 1/19/2009, bob quinn said something that elicited my response:  Yes, I have taken to parking defensively. Nonetheless, when I see people parking over the yellow lines, I will take the time (as nicely as possible) to educate them. Some people don't mind my imposition, some actually thank me, but the majority get angry, defensive and dismissive. I don't mind, though. I accept and embrace my role as The Angry Crip (aka, the grouchy guy in a wheelchair). I have to believe it helps, even if only a little. Its a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. 8-) From: RONALD L PRACHT _r.pra...@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive. It sucks, but will get better over time.  Ron c7 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) wrote: From: _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: _...@sockets.com_ (mailto:r...@sockets.com) , _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) , _kkba...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kkba...@yahoo.com) , _ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com) , _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Cc: _jco...@postandcourier.com_ (mailto:jco...@postandcourier.com) Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something they don't.  My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair.  These feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure. Check my observances -- _HC Parking in Glendale AZ_ (http://ocgrands.com/hcpark/index.html) AZDAVE  Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/)  In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, _kult...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kult...@yahoo.com) writes: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into20my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down). One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Law, in theory is the power of the Right, and not the might. Anyone's first responsibility is to call the law when there is a perceived violation and let the police handle the situation. They have to log each and every call for distress and parking violations. They could become liable if they did not perform a call or file on each incident. The only exception would be private property. But the call and incident is still filed. Best Wishes In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:19:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, dav...@aol.com writes: right on dude. might makes right - I grew up with a brother like that. Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/) In a message dated 1/20/2009 11:12:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, d...@unh.edu writes: They will have to get by my PCA cadre first. ;) Bring em on. Dan At 10:53 AM 1/20/2009, dav...@aol.com said: more likely you will get thrown from your chair by the irate owner since putting together scratches and parking 5 feet away from anyone is beyond their comprehention levels.  they will however not hold back retaliating against a cripple for defiling their golden charriot. -Original Message- From: Dan d...@unh.edu To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 8:02 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I must admit that there have been times when I've accidently on purpose dented or scratched the offending vehicle while 'trying' to enter or exit my van. If more of us did this, perhaps these idiots would give us the exaggerated space they do when they meet us on the sidewalk. Dan At 10:19 PM 1/19/2009, bob quinn said something that elicited my response:  Yes, I have taken to parking defensively. Nonetheless, when I see people parking over the yellow lines, I will take the time (as nicely as possible) to educate them. Some people don't mind my imposition, some actually thank me, but the majority get angry, defensive and dismissive. I don't mind, though. I accept and embrace my role as The Angry Crip (aka, the grouchy guy in a wheelchair). I have to believe it helps, even if only a little. Its a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. 8-) From: RONALD L PRACHT _r.pra...@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive. It sucks, but will get better over time.  Ron c7 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) wrote: From: _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: _...@sockets.com_ (mailto:r...@sockets.com) , _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) , _kkba...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kkba...@yahoo.com) , _ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com) , _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Cc: _jco...@postandcourier.com_ (mailto:jco...@postandcourier.com) Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something they don't.  My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair.  These feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure. Check my observances -- _HC Parking in Glendale AZ_ (http://ocgrands.com/hcpark/index.html) AZDAVE  Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/)  In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, _kult...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kult...@yahoo.com) writes: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into20my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Cops? Cops? I don't need no stinkin cops! Dan At 01:56 PM 1/20/2009, wheelch...@aol.com said something that elicited my response: Law, in theory is the power of the Right, and not the might. Anyone's first responsibility is to call the law when there is a perceived violation and let the police handle the situation. They have to log each and every call for distress and parking violations. They could become liable if they did not perform a call or file on each incident. The only exception would be private property. But the call and incident is still filed. Best Wishes In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:19:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, dav...@aol.com writes: right on dude. might makes right - I grew up with a brother like that. Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space http://daveoconnell.com/DAVEOCONNELL.COM In a message dated 1/20/2009 11:12:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, d...@unh.edu writes: They will have to get by my PCA cadre first. ;) Bring em on. Dan At 10:53 AM 1/20/2009, dav...@aol.com said: more likely you will get thrown from your chair by the irate owner since putting together scratches and parking 5 feet away from anyone is beyond their comprehention levels.  they will however not hold back retaliating against a cripple for defiling their golden charriot. -Original Message- From: Dan d...@unh.edu To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 8:02 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I must admit that there have been times when I've accidently on purpose dented or scratched the offending vehicle while 'trying' to enter or exit my van. If more of us did this, perhaps these idiots would give us the exaggerated space they do when they meet us on the sidewalk. Dan At 10:19 PM 1/19/2009, bob quinn said something that elicited my response:  Yes, I have taken to parking defensively. Nonetheless, when I see people parking over the yellow lines, I will take the time (as nicely as possible) to educate them. Some people don't mind my imposition, some actually thank me, but the majority get angry, defensive and dismissive. I don't mind, though. I accept and embrace my role as The Angry Crip (aka, the grouchy guy in a wheelchair). I have to believe it helps, even if only a little. Its a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. 8-) From: RONALD L PRACHT mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.netr.pra...@sbcglobal.net To: mailto:quad-list@eskimo.comquad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive. It sucks, but will get better over time.  Ron c7 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, mailto:dav...@aol.comdav...@aol.com mailto:dav...@aol.comdav...@aol.com wrote: From: mailto:dav...@aol.comdav...@aol.com mailto:dav...@aol.comdav...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: mailto:r...@sockets.comr...@sockets.com, mailto:wheelch...@aol.comwheelch...@aol.com, mailto:kkba...@yahoo.comkkba...@yahoo.com, mailto:ms-qu...@yahoogroups.comms-qu...@yahoogroups.com, mailto:quad-list@eskimo.comquad-list@eskimo.com Cc: mailto:jco...@postandcourier.comjco...@postandcourier.com Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something they don't.  My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair.  These feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure. Check my observances -- http://ocgrands.com/hcpark/index.htmlHC Parking in Glendale AZ AZDAVE  Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space http://daveoconnell.com/DAVEOCONNELL.COM  In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, mailto:kult...@yahoo.comkult...@yahoo.com writes: Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into20my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will not ticket
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
lol In a message dated 1/20/2009 1:21:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, d...@unh.edu writes: Cops? Cops? I don't need no stinkin cops! Dan At 01:56 PM 1/20/2009, wheelch...@aol.com said something that elicited my response: Law, in theory is the power of the Right, and not the might. Anyone's first responsibility is to call the law when there is a perceived violation and let the police handle the situation. They have to log each and every call for distress and parking violations. They could become liable if they did not perform a call or file on each incident. The only exception would be private property. But the call and incident is still filed. Best Wishes In a message dated 1/20/2009 12:19:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, dav...@aol.com writes: right on dude. might makes right - I grew up with a brother like that. Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/) In a message dated 1/20/2009 11:12:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, d...@unh.edu writes: They will have to get by my PCA cadre first. ;) Bring em on. Dan At 10:53 AM 1/20/2009, dav...@aol.com said: more likely you will get thrown from your chair by the irate owner since putting together scratches and parking 5 feet away from anyone is beyond their comprehention levels.  they will however not hold back retaliating against a cripple for defiling their golden charriot. -Original Message- From: Dan d...@unh.edu To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 8:02 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I must admit that there have been times when I've accidently on purpose dented or scratched the offending vehicle while 'trying' to enter or exit my van. If more of us did this, perhaps these idiots would give us the exaggerated space they do when they meet us on the sidewalk. Dan At 10:19 PM 1/19/2009, bob quinn said something that elicited my response:  Yes, I have taken to parking defensively. Nonetheless, when I see people parking over the yellow lines, I will take the time (as nicely as possible) to educate them. Some people don't mind my imposition, some actually thank me, but the majority get angry, defensive and dismissive. I don't mind, though. I accept and embrace my role as The Angry Crip (aka, the grouchy guy in a wheelchair). I have to believe it helps, even if only a little. Its a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. 8-) From: RONALD L PRACHT _r.pra...@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive. It sucks, but will get better over time.  Ron c7 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) wrote: From: _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) _dav...@aol.com_ (mailto:dav...@aol.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators To: _...@sockets.com_ (mailto:r...@sockets.com) , _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) , _kkba...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kkba...@yahoo.com) , _ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com) , _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Cc: _jco...@postandcourier.com_ (mailto:jco...@postandcourier.com) Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something they don't.  My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair.  These feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure. Check my observances -- _HC Parking in Glendale AZ_ (http://ocgrands.com/hcpark/index.html) AZDAVE  Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/)  In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, _kult
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
The joke in Ohio is that most parking lots are on private property and cops
do NOT enforce parking lot rules on private property.
john
--- On Mon, 1/19/09, RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 6:46 PM
I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as
well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the
wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes
isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the
front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and
take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you
called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap
spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a
side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive.
It sucks, but will get better over time.
Ron c7
--- On Mon, 1/19/09, dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com wrote:
From: dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r...@sockets.com, wheelch...@aol.com, kkba...@yahoo.com,
ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly
believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something
they don't. My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her
one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair. These
feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure.
Check my observances -- HC Parking in Glendale AZ
AZDAVE
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space
DAVEOCONNELL.COM
In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
kult...@yahoo.com writes:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National
Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over who
is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking in
spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to, said
Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats, introduced
a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of acquiring a
placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation twice, but the
bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said.
Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of the
National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the problem.
There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the
National Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over
who is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking in
spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to, said
Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats,
introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of
acquiring a placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation
twice, but the bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said.
Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of the
National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the
problem.
There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV and the physician who
writes the prescription (for the placard), Jacildone said.
A Watchdog report earlier this year found the Department of Motor Vehicles
does not record physicians' information, leaving no way to check whether a
physician actually filled out the form. The bill would connect those dots with
a form that will stay on file with the DMV.
The proposed law also would redefine a person with a disability.
The current law may not include a person with Multiple Sclerosis because they
may not look like they have a disease, she said. Many people with MS suffer
fatigue, which worsens throughout the day.
And finally, the legislation would connect the person and the placard with an
identification card, which law enforcement personnel could look at and match.
Although not part of the proposed law, the MS society would like to see more
clarification in the law regarding who has jurisdiction for enforcement.
Some agencies will tell us they will go to business parking lots. Others say
it's private property, Jacildone said.
We would also like to see more language about access aisles, she said.
Cars sometimes park in the striped areas next to designated spaces. That aisle
is necessary for a person with a disability to get in and out of their
wheelchair or scooter.
Reach Jill Coley at 937-5719 or jco...@postandcourier.com.
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Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as
well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the
wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes
isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the
front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and
take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you
called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap
spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a
side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive.
It sucks, but will get better over time.
Ron c7
--- On Mon, 1/19/09, dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com wrote:
From: dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r...@sockets.com, wheelch...@aol.com, kkba...@yahoo.com,
ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly
believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something
they don't. My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her
one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair. These
feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure.
Check my observances -- HC Parking in Glendale AZ
AZDAVE
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space
DAVEOCONNELL.COM
In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
kult...@yahoo.com writes:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National
Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over who
is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking in
spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to, said
Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats, introduced
a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of acquiring a
placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation twice, but the
bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said.
Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of the
National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the problem.
There's a disconnect between the forms from the DMV and the physician who
writes the prescription (for the placard), Jacildone said.
A Watchdog report earlier this year found the Department of Motor Vehicles does
not record physicians' information, leaving no way to check whether a physician
actually filled out the form. The bill would connect those dots with a form
that will stay on file with the DMV.
The proposed law also would
Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
Yes, I have taken to parking defensively. Nonetheless, when I see people
parking over the yellow lines, I will take the time (as nicely as possible) to
educate them. Some people don't mind my imposition, some actually thank me,
but the majority get angry, defensive and dismissive. I don't mind, though. I
accept and embrace my role as The Angry Crip (aka, the grouchy guy in a
wheelchair). I have to believe it helps, even if only a little. Its a tough
job, but somebody's gotta do it. 8-)
From: RONALD L PRACHT r.pra...@sbcglobal.net
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
I have a side entry van and deal with violators parking in the hash lines as
well. I purchased a magnetic sign that says, please do not block the
wheelchair lift, I attach this when I think I will b blocked. This sometimes
isnt enough so Ill pull in the spot diagonal and take up a small portion of the
front hash. If I find no handicap spots available and go towards the back and
take up two spots. The police are lil help and talking to people will get you
called an angry cripple .What it comes down to is people dont respect handicap
spots because police seldom enforce handicap violations. If your gonna drve a
side entry van all I can say is you have to anticipate a prob and be proactive.
It sucks, but will get better over time.
Ron c7
--- On Mon, 1/19/09, dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com wrote:
From: dav...@aol.com dav...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: r...@sockets.com, wheelch...@aol.com, kkba...@yahoo.com,
ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
It's pretty tough to 'train' some people. There a few groups who firmly
believe the rest of us 'owe' them something usually because we have something
they don't. My 6 year old grand daughter firmly believes that if I give her
one thing and her step sister the exact same thing, that's not fair. These
feelings of what's fair have deep seeded roots for sure.
Check my observances -- HC Parking in Glendale AZ
AZDAVE
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space
DAVEOCONNELL.COM
In a message dated 1/19/2009 3:08:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
kult...@yahoo.com writes:
Love the idea! I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area. Even
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots
available. Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, don't get me
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease, like that gave him the right to
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site). Another guy
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually
said, you handicapped people think you're so special. I could go on. I was
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in
return was far, far from it. I guess that reflects the type of people that
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National
Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
Bill targets handicapped parking violators
BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
The Post and Courier
Monday, January 19, 2009
Special Section:
Watchdog
People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in the
striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds over who
is responsible for catching violators.
There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking in
spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to, said
Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats, introduced
a bill last week to create more accountability in the process
