Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I think I’ll end up being an expert in how the fuel pump works, I’ve been at it again for half the day again, following and testing wires from ecu to fuse box to fuel pump, I even tried a spare ecu, I’ve got power again plus I’ve made up a bridging link so if needed I can remove a relay, link it out and be up and running in minutes, already tested it, tomorrow I’ll have the link fitted with a switch as pump will run constantly with the link in, hopefully getting there though. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 14 Apr 2019, at 16:43, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: The fuel pressure is controlled manually by the fuel pressure regulator on the injector rail. The pump always runs while the engine is running and for a couple of seconds when you first turn the ignition on. Jim On 13/04/2019 19:39, bill wrote: The fly lead works but I’d lost power again to the fuel pump so I spent half the day testing again, finally decided to remove the immobiliser, when I reconnected the fuel pump supply and the starter motor supply I powered back up, still no supply to the fuel pump. I had a flash of inspiration and thought what knocks off the fuel pump when the fuel line is up to pressure, can’t see any mention of a pressure switch that could do that. I’ll probably have to call an auto electrician next week if I don’t have an eureka moment before. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 21:43, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: 🤞I’ll do a trial run with the fly lead though Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 17:09, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Good - it looks more promising a situation. Roll on Stoneleigh! - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? The fuse wasn’t for the lighter socket Martin, it was the fuse that is in the plug, new 20amp fuse fitted and fly lead ready 👍 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 16:33, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Hmm - If you smoked you'd have spotted that earlier! :-) Martin - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with pow
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
The fly lead works but I’d lost power again to the fuel pump so I spent half the day testing again, finally decided to remove the immobiliser, when I reconnected the fuel pump supply and the starter motor supply I powered back up, still no supply to the fuel pump. I had a flash of inspiration and thought what knocks off the fuel pump when the fuel line is up to pressure, can’t see any mention of a pressure switch that could do that. I’ll probably have to call an auto electrician next week if I don’t have an eureka moment before. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 21:43, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: 🤞I’ll do a trial run with the fly lead though Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 17:09, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Good - it looks more promising a situation. Roll on Stoneleigh! - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? The fuse wasn’t for the lighter socket Martin, it was the fuse that is in the plug, new 20amp fuse fitted and fly lead ready 👍 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 16:33, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Hmm - If you smoked you'd have spotted that earlier! :-) Martin - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
🤞I’ll do a trial run with the fly lead though Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 17:09, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Good - it looks more promising a situation. Roll on Stoneleigh! - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? The fuse wasn’t for the lighter socket Martin, it was the fuse that is in the plug, new 20amp fuse fitted and fly lead ready 👍 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 16:33, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Hmm - If you smoked you'd have spotted that earlier! :-) Martin - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar eve
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Good - it looks more promising a situation. Roll on Stoneleigh! - Original Message - From: bill To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? The fuse wasn’t for the lighter socket Martin, it was the fuse that is in the plug, new 20amp fuse fitted and fly lead ready 👍 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 16:33, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hmm - If you smoked you'd have spotted that earlier! :-) Martin - Original Message - From: bill To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much apprec
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
The fuse wasn’t for the lighter socket Martin, it was the fuse that is in the plug, new 20amp fuse fitted and fly lead ready 👍 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2019, at 16:33, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Hmm - If you smoked you'd have spotted that earlier! :-) Martin - Original Message - From: bill<mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Hmm - If you smoked you'd have spotted that earlier! :-) Martin - Original Message - From: bill To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a in
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I took the Q out for a bit of a shake down run, I want to give it some decent trials before stoneleigh, all was well until I called into a local motorbike shop, on switching on again I was met by a silent fuel pump, no problem I thought, I’ll stick on my fly lead, still no joy. A quick call to the AA and a very nice man arrived to take a look, his test lead powered up the pump and the car restarted. He had a bit of a look near the fuse board checking the wiring and found a loose earth connection, the threads were poor on the fitting, he swapped it to another screw, we started the car and drove home with him following. More shake down runs required. The reason my fly lead didn’t work was due to a 1amp fuse being in the cigar lighter plug, fuel pump fuse is 20amp, I’ve upped the fuse rating.Every trip is an adventure . Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:29, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn&#x
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Thanks for the timely warning Jim, I’ll stick to the red relay, the jumper lead will be getting fine tuned maybe fit it with a cigar lighter plug for a quick change option Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 16:01, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application. The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched 12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU. Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running. This could cause damage to the ECU. Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch located nearby! Martin - Original Message - From: "bill" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would b
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I wouldn’t use the yellow one in that application.
The fuel pump relay has one coil connection connected to the ignition switched
12 volts, the other side of coil is earthed by the ECU.
Without the diode there could be a current flow back through the relay coil and
into the ecu when the ignition is on but the engine isn’t running.
This could cause damage to the ECU.
Also, the lower resistance of the coil could damage the driver in the ecu.
Jim
From: bill
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:32 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had
quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive,
must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower
resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the
connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to
the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne wrote:
Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work
with power in one direction.
Some of them have a resistor across the coil.
There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that
have 2 normally open contacts.
The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the
side of the relay and make sure it matches.
Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout
standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal
connections are different.
Jim
From: bill
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford
red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position
but other than that I’m in the dark
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: bill
Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST
To: Steve Kodź
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find
an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the
circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is
back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I
really hate that when it happens.
Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated,
hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote:
The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the
passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so
hopefully yours is in a similar location.
Regards,
Steve
On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote:
I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but
there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t
a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and
see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result
and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick
panel in the morning.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott
wrote:
Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the
donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position.
At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car'
Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the
car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the
punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch
located nearby!
Martin
- Original Message - From: "bill"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of
inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from
home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were
ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing,
when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no
power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from
power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly
lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted t
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
When I tested the relays I found the red one that was for the fuel pump had quite a high resistance on the primary circuit and also polarity sensitive, must have the diode installed, one of my spare yellow relays has much lower resistance on primary and isn’t polarity sensitive, the the numbers on the connections match and when I’ve trialled the yellow relay I still have power to the fuel pump, both are rated at the same amps. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 15:25, Jim Hearne mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote: Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with power in one direction. Some of them have a resistor across the coil. There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have 2 normally open contacts. The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the side of the relay and make sure it matches. Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are different. Jim From: bill Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch located nearby! Martin - Original Message - From: "bill" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many thanks. Bill Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liabil
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Some of the relays have a diode in series with the coil so they only work with
power in one direction.
Some of them have a resistor across the coil.
There are also 5 pin relays that have 1 change over contact and some that have
2 normally open contacts.
The best way is to look closely at the little diagram Ford tend to put on the
side of the relay and make sure it matches.
Watch out if you use aftermarket relays as the are 2 different pinout standards
for car type relays, same arrangement of pins but the internal connections are
different.
Jim
From: bill
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:13 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red
and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but
other than that I’m in the dark
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: bill
Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST
To: Steve Kodź
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an
inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the
circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is
back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I
really hate that when it happens.
Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated,
hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote:
The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the
passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so
hopefully yours is in a similar location.
Regards,
Steve
On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote:
I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there
is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a
inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and
see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result
and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick
panel in the morning.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott
wrote:
Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor
had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position.
At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo,
and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car.
Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the
punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch
located nearby!
Martin
- Original Message - From: "bill"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of
inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from
home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were
ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing,
when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no
power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from
power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly
lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off
would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away.
Many thanks.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Fwd: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
It’s annoying when that happens.
Keep your bit of bypass wire in the car.
Jim
From: bill
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 2:52 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: bill
Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST
To: Steve Kodź
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an
inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the
circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is
back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I
really hate that when it happens.
Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully
see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź wrote:
The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger
side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully
yours is in a similar location.
Regards,
Steve
On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote:
I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is
output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia
switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if
there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try
to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in
the morning.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott
wrote:
Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor
had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position.
At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo,
and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car.
Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the
punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch
located nearby!
Martin
- Original Message - From: "bill"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of
inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from
home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were
ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing,
when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no
power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from
power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly
lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off
would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away.
Many thanks.
Bill
Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Just as a matter of interest, what’s the difference if any between the ford red and yellow relays, I know the numbers on the pins are in the same position but other than that I’m in the dark Bill Sent from my iPhone On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:55, bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź mailto:st...@h4-turbo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź mailto:st...@h4-turbo.co.uk>> wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch located nearby! Martin - Original Message - From: "bill" mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> To: mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many thanks. Bill Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@goog
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Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> Date: 9 April 2019 at 14:45:31 BST To: Steve Kodź mailto:st...@h4-turbo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? I had over three hours this morning testing and checking, I didn’t find an inertia switch anywhere, I had the fuses out, the relays out, tested the circuit through the immobiliser and everything checked out ok. The power is back to the fuel pump, for now, but there’s nothing I can say that I found, I really hate that when it happens. Thank you everyone who replied with information, much appreciated, hopefully see you all at stoneleigh if I don’t have a similar event Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 21:45, Steve Kodź mailto:st...@h4-turbo.co.uk>> wrote: The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott mailto:susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>> wrote: Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch located nearby! Martin - Original Message - From: "bill" mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> To: mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many thanks. Bill Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
The MK3 Fiesta had the inertia switch attached to the body in the passenger side footwell. I fitted mine in the same place when I built my H4, so hopefully yours is in a similar location. Regards, Steve On 8 April 2019 21:43:04 bill wrote: I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch located nearby! Martin - Original Message - From: "bill" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many thanks. Bill Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
I forgot to put which model, it’s a H4 it has an immobiliser but there is output from the relay it’s just not reaching the pump. If there isn’t a inertia switch I was thinking to test the pump supply wire half way along and see if there’s power then to work one way or the other depending on the result and try to find the break if there is one. I’ll take a look behind the kick panel in the morning. Bill Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Apr 2019, at 20:57, Susan and Martin Scott > wrote: > > Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a > fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. > At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and > having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. > Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the > punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch > located nearby! > Martin > > > > - Original Message - From: "bill" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? > > > Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity > then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and > within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so > I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I > could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at > the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , > cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and > the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be > fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many > thanks. > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > > IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" > basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum > Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in > the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any > person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged > to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this > or related message(s). > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > > IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" > basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum > Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in > the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any > person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged > to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this > or related message(s). > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
Re: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Hi Bill, Forgive my memory... is this on an H4? if so, and the donor had a fuel cut-off, it's likely to be around the same position. At Ford, one of my colleagues had a puncture in a 'pool car' Mondeo, and having switched to the spare he then found he couldn't start the car. Naturally he thought he was jinxed, but it turned out he'd dropped the punctured wheel into the boot, which had tripped the fuel cut-off switch located nearby! Martin - Original Message - From: "bill" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:22 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Inertia switch? Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many thanks. Bill Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Quantum Owners] Inertia switch?
Good evening everyone, wouldn’t you just know it, six months of inactivity then when I want to run the Q it starts to act up. I set off from home and within 400m it cut out, the fuel pump not running, the fuses etc were ok, so I changed the fuel pump relay for a known good spare, still nothing, when I could finally find the access cover to the tank I found there was no power at the plug, I checked and tested what I could then ran a fly lead from power , cut into the supply wire at the plug on the tank, connected the fly lead and the pump ran. Does anyone know where, if fitted the inertia cut off would be fitted before I splice in a new supply, stoneleigh isn’t far away. Many thanks. Bill Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
