Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-07 Thread Michael Hughes
I recall that there is a form of electrostatic spraying. The spray that 
might otherwise miss the tube is attracted back to it. Michael


Seems a bike is one of the difficult items to spray because there are 
no flat surfaces - sounds reasonable.


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From: Susan and Martin Scott 
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To: quantumowners quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:06
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet



The problem I've found with Hammerite or Smoothrite in the past (going 
back several years, agreed) was that it seemed to be so brittle that 
even an ambient temp change seemed to create invisible cracks, and 
after a couple of years it peeled off in sheets to reveal a lot of rust 
where water had got behind it. I was first alerted to this by a (very 
tallented) car sprayer when he saw I'd painted my pedal bike with 
smoothrite. Lo and behold what he had predicted occurred, and he got 
the repaint job a couple of years later (first class it was too).
Seems a bike is one of the difficult items to spray because there are 
no flat surfaces - sounds reasonable.


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From:   Jim Hearne

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:43   PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2   Bonnet



Quantum were told they were being power coated but it wasn't,   it was 
just paint.
I don't think they were even sandblasted before   painting, mine 
started going rusty even before it was on the   road.


Almost everything that has been painted on my 2+2 was done with   
smooth Hammerite including the engine block and aluminium inlet 
manifold.
I   think the main thing with it is that people expect to be able to 
paint it on   over rust, which doesn't really work.
If the metal is properly degreased   and in the case of aluminium, the 
proper primer used then it seems to stick   pretty well.


However, i think they did change the formulation since i   did most of 
the 2+2.


Jim


On 04/08/2013 20:03, Susan and Martin Scott   wrote:



Can't say I'm a fan of powdercoating, and galvanising can give 
distortion problems although it lasts well. All that's required (as 
long as the metal isn't rusty before it's painted!) is to keep the 
water/air away from it! A good galvanic primer, undercoat and topcoat   
  can give excellent results, and needn't be expensive. Brushed on 
primer, undecoat and Dulux Weathershield gloss (no not the masonry 
paint) gives excellent results and no brush markes if done 
properly. Jin did a very nice job on his frame - Think it was Upol? 
Can you confirm Jin?


IMHO the WORST paint for metal is Hammerite - absolute rubbish and 
shouldn't be sold! rant over. 


Martin


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From:   Russell Willcox

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:10   PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2   Bonnet



It's sad to see so many rusty engine frames, why make a GRP   car 
and then put a bit of metal on that goes rusty in no time, they should  
have been galvanized or powder coated properly at least.




On 04/08/2013 17:28, Jamest142 wrote:



Hiya





No idea - there is nothing under the brake cylinder on mine, but
 does not look to be enough room to add a battery.  Perhaps the 
radiator is moved across as well to make room for the headlight 
assembly.





I have attached a couple of pics for interest.




Best regards




James

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:17:12 UTC+1, jin wrote:
Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the   hinge 
pivots are further appart , how come the battery is at the   
front?, what sits in front of the master cylinder where the battery 
 lives on mk2 2+2s?
I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were   
interchangeable, every day is a school day :)

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread Bob Craig
 The Quantum 2+2 Front end it is complete with lights and light flaps 
fitted  You can contact  the guy (Mid Bruce) on 01292-520354. midatgadgirth 
AT btinternet.com
 
Bob Craig
On Monday, 5 August 2013 21:18:57 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

 I've PM'd him from SKCC site but he only uses his computer infrequently. 
 If I don't get a reply, I'll probably see him next Wednesday at SKCC 
 meeting.
  
 Bob
 On Monday, 5 August 2013 20:49:21 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

  One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 front 
 end which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find out if 
 it's for sale.
  
 Bob Craig

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 *From:* harris.phil...@sky.com 
 *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:12 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

  Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago for 
 £200 no rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even though I did 
 not think value for money at the time.
  
 Philip

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 *Sent:* Sunday, 4 August 2013, 22:54
 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

 Sound advice there Eddie, 

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread Middleton Bruce

On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:15:29 PM UTC+1, John Woodward wrote: 

 2+2 bonnet wanted by a friend who has a badly damaged one. The blue round 
 headlamp one on the owners club website will apparently not fit (according 
 to Glyn, ex QSC  KAP).
 Ideally white, but any colour would be OK.
 Anyone got one going spare ?
 John


 Hi My Name is Middleton Bruce i am a member of  the Quantum club. sins 
 1998 I have a 2+2 Front end bonnet for sale  tel 01292520354

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet i have one for sale

2013-08-06 Thread Middleton Bruce

On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:15:29 PM UTC+1, John Woodward wrote: 

 2+2 bonnet wanted by a friend who has a badly damaged one. The blue round 
 headlamp one on the owners club website will apparently not fit (according 
 to Glyn, ex QSC  KAP).
 Ideally white, but any colour would be OK.
 Anyone got one going spare ?
 John



On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:15:29 PM UTC+1, John Woodward wrote: 

 2+2 bonnet wanted by a friend who has a badly damaged one. The blue round 
 headlamp one on the owners club website will apparently not fit (according 
 to Glyn, ex QSC  KAP).
 Ideally white, but any colour would be OK.
 Anyone got one going spare ?
 John



On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:15:29 PM UTC+1, John Woodward wrote: 

 2+2 bonnet wanted by a friend who has a badly damaged one. The blue round 
 headlamp one on the owners club website will apparently not fit (according 
 to Glyn, ex QSC  KAP).
 Ideally white, but any colour would be OK.
 Anyone got one going spare ?
 John




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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread Middleton Bruce

On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:15:29 PM UTC+1, John Woodward wrote: 

 2+2 bonnet wanted by a friend who has a badly damaged one. The blue round 
 headlamp one on the owners club website will apparently not fit (according 
 to Glyn, ex QSC  KAP).
 Ideally white, but any colour would be OK.
 Anyone got one going spare ?
 John




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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread John Woodward
Thanks Bob. Could be what he is looking for, we will wait for the outcome.
John

On Monday, 5 August 2013 21:18:57 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

 I've PM'd him from SKCC site but he only uses his computer infrequently. 
 If I don't get a reply, I'll probably see him next Wednesday at SKCC 
 meeting.
  
 Bob
 On Monday, 5 August 2013 20:49:21 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

  One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 front 
 end which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find out if 
 it's for sale.
  
 Bob Craig

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 *From:* harris@sky.com javascript: 
 *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:12 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

  Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago for 
 £200 no rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even though I did 
 not think value for money at the time.
  
 Philip

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 *Sent:* Sunday, 4 August 2013, 22:54
 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread John Woodward
Bob, thanks for that. I have received a blank email from him  was a bit 
dubious about replying. I will pass the phone no. on tonight to my friend 
in Wales (he is not on the net.)
John

On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 08:09:50 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

  The Quantum 2+2 Front end it is complete with lights and light flaps 
 fitted  You can contact  the guy (Mid Bruce) on 01292-520354. midatgadgirth 
 AT btinternet.com
  
 Bob Craig
 On Monday, 5 August 2013 21:18:57 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

 I've PM'd him from SKCC site but he only uses his computer infrequently. 
 If I don't get a reply, I'll probably see him next Wednesday at SKCC 
 meeting.
  
 Bob
 On Monday, 5 August 2013 20:49:21 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

  One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 front 
 end which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find out if 
 it's for sale.
  
 Bob Craig

 - Original Message - 
 *From:* harris@sky.com javascript: 
 *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:12 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

  Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago for 
 £200 no rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even though I did 
 not think value for money at the time.
  
 Philip

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 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread bobbycrai...@tiscali.co.uk
Hi John,
Mid has now replied through the site as well.

Bob

Original Message
From: john.woodwar...@gmail.com
Date: 06/08/2013 11:02 
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subj: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

Bob, thanks for that. I have received a blank email from him  was a 
bit 

dubious about replying. I will pass the phone no. on tonight to my 
friend 

in Wales (he is not on the net.)

John



On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 08:09:50 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:



  The Quantum 2+2 Front end it is complete with lights and light 
flaps 

 fitted  You can contact  the guy (Mid Bruce) on 01292-520354. 
midatgadgirth 

 AT btinternet.com

  

 Bob Craig

 On Monday, 5 August 2013 21:18:57 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:



 I've PM'd him from SKCC site but he only uses his computer 
infrequently. 

 If I don't get a reply, I'll probably see him next Wednesday at 
SKCC 

 meeting.

  

 Bob

 On Monday, 5 August 2013 20:49:21 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:



  One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 
front 

 end which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find 
out if 

 it's for sale.

  

 Bob Craig



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 *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com javascript: 

 *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:12 PM

 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet



  Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago 
for 

 £200 no rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even 
though I did 

 not think value for money at the time.

  

 Philip



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-06 Thread John Woodward
Bob, I have made contact with Mid by email OK.
Thanks for your help,
John

On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 13:20:13 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

 Hi John, 
 Mid has now replied through the site as well. 

 Bob 

 Original Message 
 From: john.wo...@gmail.com javascript: 
 Date: 06/08/2013 11:02 
 To: quantu...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subj: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet 
  
 Bob, thanks for that. I have received a blank email from him  was a 
 bit 

 dubious about replying. I will pass the phone no. on tonight to my 
 friend 

 in Wales (he is not on the net.) 

 John 

  

 On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 08:09:50 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote: 

  

   The Quantum 2+2 Front end it is complete with lights and light 
 flaps 

  fitted  You can contact  the guy (Mid Bruce) on 01292-520354. 
 midatgadgirth 

  AT btinternet.com 



  Bob Craig 

  On Monday, 5 August 2013 21:18:57 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote: 

  

  I've PM'd him from SKCC site but he only uses his computer 
 infrequently. 

  If I don't get a reply, I'll probably see him next Wednesday at 
 SKCC 

  meeting. 



  Bob 

  On Monday, 5 August 2013 20:49:21 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote: 

  

   One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 
 front 

  end which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find 
 out if 

  it's for sale. 



  Bob Craig 

  

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   Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago 
 for 

  £200 no rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even 
 though I did 

  not think value for money at the time. 



  Philip 

  

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-05 Thread Robert Craig
One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 front end 
which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find out if it's for 
sale.

Bob Craig
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  Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago for £200 no 
rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even though I did not think 
value for money at the time.

  Philip


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  Sound advice there Eddie, 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Craig
I've PM'd him from SKCC site but he only uses his computer infrequently. If 
I don't get a reply, I'll probably see him next Wednesday at SKCC meeting.
 
Bob
On Monday, 5 August 2013 20:49:21 UTC+1, Bob Craig wrote:

  One of the guys in the Scottish Kit Car Club has a brand new 2+2 front 
 end which has never been fitted. I'll try to contact him and find out if 
 it's for sale.
  
 Bob Craig

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 *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

  Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago for 
 £200 no rust visible since, very happy with the result. Even though I did 
 not think value for money at the time.
  
 Philip

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread jin
Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the hinge pivots are further 
appart , how come the battery is at the front?, what sits in front of the 
master cylinder where the battery lives on mk2 2+2s?
I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were interchangeable, every day is 
a school day :)

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Russell Willcox
It's sad to see so many rusty engine frames, why make a GRP car and then 
put a bit of metal on that goes rusty in no time, they should have been 
galvanized or powder coated properly at least.



On 04/08/2013 17:28, Jamest142 wrote:

Hiya

No idea - there is nothing under the brake cylinder on mine, but does 
not look to be enough room to add a battery.  Perhaps the radiator is 
moved across as well to make room for the headlight assembly.


I have attached a couple of pics for interest.

Best regards

James

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:17:12 UTC+1, jin wrote:

Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the hinge pivots
are further appart , how come the battery is at the front?, what
sits in front of the master cylinder where the battery lives on
mk2 2+2s?
I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were interchangeable,
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread hansdefauwes
Myne is flame-sprayed - Schooped - hot Zinc sprayed, epoxy primer and 
powdercoated
no rust of the next 20years or so  . . .
hans

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  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet


  It's sad to see so many rusty engine frames, why make a GRP car and then put 
a bit of metal on that goes rusty in no time, they should have been galvanized 
or powder coated properly at least.



  On 04/08/2013 17:28, Jamest142 wrote:

Hiya



No idea - there is nothing under the brake cylinder on mine, but does not 
look to be enough room to add a battery.  Perhaps the radiator is moved across 
as well to make room for the headlight assembly.


I have attached a couple of pics for interest.


Best regards


James

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:17:12 UTC+1, jin wrote: 
  Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the hinge pivots are 
further appart , how come the battery is at the front?, what sits in front of 
the master cylinder where the battery lives on mk2 2+2s?
  I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were interchangeable, every 
day is a school day :)
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Susan and Martin Scott
Can't say I'm a fan of powdercoating, and galvanising can give distortion 
problems although it lasts well. All that's required (as long as the metal 
isn't rusty before it's painted!) is to keep the water/air away from it! A good 
galvanic primer, undercoat and topcoat can give excellent results, and needn't 
be expensive. Brushed on primer, undecoat and Dulux Weathershield gloss (no not 
the masonry paint) gives excellent results and no brush markes if done 
properly. Jin did a very nice job on his frame - Think it was Upol? Can you 
confirm Jin?
IMHO the WORST paint for metal is Hammerite - absolute rubbish and shouldn't be 
sold! rant over. 
Martin
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  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet


  It's sad to see so many rusty engine frames, why make a GRP car and then put 
a bit of metal on that goes rusty in no time, they should have been galvanized 
or powder coated properly at least.



  On 04/08/2013 17:28, Jamest142 wrote:

Hiya



No idea - there is nothing under the brake cylinder on mine, but does not 
look to be enough room to add a battery.  Perhaps the radiator is moved across 
as well to make room for the headlight assembly.


I have attached a couple of pics for interest.


Best regards


James

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:17:12 UTC+1, jin wrote: 
  Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the hinge pivots are 
further appart , how come the battery is at the front?, what sits in front of 
the master cylinder where the battery lives on mk2 2+2s?
  I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were interchangeable, every 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Jamest142
Hiya

Yup - I know - on the list of things to do is to paint the engine bay... 

When I get chance ;-)

TTFN

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread jin
Agreed about the poor metal treatment, such a shame on a lovely grp car, and im 
not a fan of powder coating either, lifts off and rust spreads underneath, i 
used POR15 on mine, so tough and stuck so well it will not even shot blast off 
with corse glass grit- i tried, ill never use anything else on something i want 
to keep, there is an art to applying it but its worth it
Also i see the panel behind the coil springs are boxed in, looks neater imo

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Jim Hearne
Quantum were told they were being power coated but it wasn't, it was 
just paint.
I don't think they were even sandblasted before painting, mine started 
going rusty even before it was on the road.


Almost everything that has been painted on my 2+2 was done with smooth 
Hammerite including the engine block and aluminium inlet manifold.
I think the main thing with it is that people expect to be able to paint 
it on over rust, which doesn't really work.
If the metal is properly degreased and in the case of aluminium, the 
proper primer used then it seems to stick pretty well.


However, i think they did change the formulation since i did most of the 
2+2.


Jim

On 04/08/2013 20:03, Susan and Martin Scott wrote:
Can't say I'm a fan of powdercoating, and galvanising can give 
distortion problems although it lasts well. All that's required (as 
long as the metal isn't rusty before it's painted!) is to keep the 
water/air away from it! A good galvanic primer, undercoat and topcoat 
can give excellent results, and needn't be expensive. Brushed on 
primer, undecoat and Dulux Weathershield gloss (no not the masonry 
paint) gives excellent results and no brush markes if done properly. 
Jin did a very nice job on his frame - Think it was Upol? Can you 
confirm Jin?
IMHO the WORST paint for metal is Hammerite - absolute rubbish and 
shouldn't be sold! rant over.

Martin

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*Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

It's sad to see so many rusty engine frames, why make a GRP car
and then put a bit of metal on that goes rusty in no time, they
should have been galvanized or powder coated properly at least.


On 04/08/2013 17:28, Jamest142 wrote:

Hiya

No idea - there is nothing under the brake cylinder on mine, but
does not look to be enough room to add a battery.  Perhaps the
radiator is moved across as well to make room for the headlight
assembly.

I have attached a couple of pics for interest.

Best regards

James

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:17:12 UTC+1, jin wrote:

Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the hinge
pivots are further appart , how come the battery is at the
front?, what sits in front of the master cylinder where the
battery lives on mk2 2+2s?
I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were
interchangeable, every day is a school day :)

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Susan and Martin Scott
The problem I've found with Hammerite or Smoothrite in the past (going back 
several years, agreed) was that it seemed to be so brittle that even an ambient 
temp change seemed to create invisible cracks, and after a couple of years it 
peeled off in sheets to reveal a lot of rust where water had got behind it. I 
was first alerted to this by a (very tallented) car sprayer when he saw I'd 
painted my pedal bike with smoothrite. Lo and behold what he had predicted 
occurred, and he got the repaint job a couple of years later (first class it 
was too).
Seems a bike is one of the difficult items to spray because there are no flat 
surfaces - sounds reasonable.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Hearne 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet


  Quantum were told they were being power coated but it wasn't, it was just 
paint.
  I don't think they were even sandblasted before painting, mine started going 
rusty even before it was on the road.

  Almost everything that has been painted on my 2+2 was done with smooth 
Hammerite including the engine block and aluminium inlet manifold.
  I think the main thing with it is that people expect to be able to paint it 
on over rust, which doesn't really work.
  If the metal is properly degreased and in the case of aluminium, the proper 
primer used then it seems to stick pretty well.

  However, i think they did change the formulation since i did most of the 2+2.

  Jim


  On 04/08/2013 20:03, Susan and Martin Scott wrote:

Can't say I'm a fan of powdercoating, and galvanising can give distortion 
problems although it lasts well. All that's required (as long as the metal 
isn't rusty before it's painted!) is to keep the water/air away from it! A good 
galvanic primer, undercoat and topcoat can give excellent results, and needn't 
be expensive. Brushed on primer, undecoat and Dulux Weathershield gloss (no not 
the masonry paint) gives excellent results and no brush markes if done 
properly. Jin did a very nice job on his frame - Think it was Upol? Can you 
confirm Jin?
IMHO the WORST paint for metal is Hammerite - absolute rubbish and 
shouldn't be sold! rant over. 
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russell Willcox 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet


  It's sad to see so many rusty engine frames, why make a GRP car and then 
put a bit of metal on that goes rusty in no time, they should have been 
galvanized or powder coated properly at least.



  On 04/08/2013 17:28, Jamest142 wrote:

Hiya



No idea - there is nothing under the brake cylinder on mine, but does 
not look to be enough room to add a battery.  Perhaps the radiator is moved 
across as well to make room for the headlight assembly.


I have attached a couple of pics for interest.


Best regards


James

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 15:17:12 UTC+1, jin wrote: 
  Quite a few diferances by the looks of things, the hinge pivots are 
further appart , how come the battery is at the front?, what sits in front of 
the master cylinder where the battery lives on mk2 2+2s?
  I too was under the impression the 2 fronts were interchangeable, 
every day is a school day :)
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread jin
I too hate hammerite, its just not tough enough on anything other than a garden 
gate, even then if reconsider, i once resprayed a whole car in smooth in the 
belief it would be long lasting, it wasn't

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Susan and Martin Scott
I welded up some garden gates 4 years ago... Red oxide primer, grey 
undercoat, Rustins satin black. All applied by brush and still as good as 
new. Much better than hammerite even on a gardern gate!!
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I too hate hammerite, its just not tough enough on anything other than a 
garden gate, even then if reconsider, i once resprayed a whole car in smooth 
in the belief it would be long lasting, it wasn't


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Eddie
The reason for original Quantum not having the frames galvanised was due to 
cost. I have Been advised that they had to be competitive with the rest of the 
kit car world.
One way that I like to protect, and have done so now to quite a few cars is :- 
shot blast, zinc plate (cold process no distortion) etch prime and then 
polyurethane paint. Yes it's darn expensive. In fact zinc plating all the 
metalwork on a coupe costs around £450 ! Then add paint on top. But it will 
last over 20 years with no further attention.
The reason for the 2+2 having a metal frame at the front, was to save labour 
costs in making the shell. It is very costly to make a full shell in GRP and as 
you are all aware, the front end of the coupe is a complicated affair. It saves 
much Time to weld up some square tubing and reduce laminating duties. However 
it does mean that a front end collision costs a lot to replace the front, so I 
would recommend that 2+2 owners really take up the agreed value option for your 
insurance that our club has got for us. At least it should give us enough room 
on costings  to get a new front end made and sprayed.
Another reason that Quantum did not protect the metalwork further, is that they 
really did not expect us to still be driving these cars at this age. A lot of 
the cars that I deal with are now touching 20 years old. Lets be fair it's 
amazing that our cars have been so good we still enjoy them now, most 
production cars would never get this far. 
Now lets get our cars to do another 20 years, with the help that we get from 
our committee and the insurance companies, I really do hope that this happens 
as I would hate to only have a production car and not a Quantum. It just would 
not seam right. 
Eddie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread Eddie
The reason for original Quantum not having the frames galvanised was due to 
cost. I have Been advised that they had to be competitive with the rest of the 
kit car world.
One way that I like to protect, and have done so now to quite a few cars is :- 
shot blast, zinc plate (cold process no distortion) etch prime and then 
polyurethane paint. Yes it's darn expensive. In fact zinc plating all the 
metalwork on a coupe costs around £450 ! Then add paint on top. But it will 
last over 20 years with no further attention.
The reason for the 2+2 having a metal frame at the front, was to save labour 
costs in making the shell. It is very costly to make a full shell in GRP and as 
you are all aware, the front end of the coupe is a complicated affair. It saves 
much Time to weld up some square tubing and reduce laminating duties. However 
it does mean that a front end collision costs a lot to replace the front, so I 
would recommend that 2+2 owners really take up the agreed value option for your 
insurance that our club has got for us. At least it should give us enough room 
on costings  to get a new front end made and sprayed.
Another reason that Quantum did not protect the metalwork further, is that they 
really did not expect us to still be driving these cars at this age. A lot of 
the cars that I deal with are now touching 20 years old. Lets be fair it's 
amazing that our cars have been so good we still enjoy them now, most 
production cars would never get this far. 
Now lets get our cars to do another 20 years, with the help that we get from 
our committee and the insurance companies, I really do hope that this happens 
as I would hate to only have a production car and not a Quantum. It just would 
not seam right. 
Eddie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread jin
Sound advice there Eddie, 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-04 Thread harris.phil...@sky.com
Sand blasted and zinc plated all my 2+2 components 9 years ago for £200 no rust 
visible since, very happy with the result. Even though I did not think value 
for money at the time.
 
Philip
 


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Sound advice there Eddie, 

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-03 Thread John Woodward
He has decided after a year to find a secondhand bonnet, as he believes his 
is too damaged to repair  the cost of a new one frightened him a bit, 
hence the request for a second hand bonnet.
John

On Friday, 2 August 2013 19:51:18 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:

 How damaged ?
 Pictures ?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-03 Thread gary_brokenshire
Intrigued as to why the round headlamp wont fit?
thought it was an option and don't see why old Q would design something
that wont fit the standard chassis set up.
Not questioning those with the knowledge just interested.
Plus Eddies work is unrivalled as yet in the world of Quantum's.


On 3 August 2013 08:40, John Woodward john.woodwar...@gmail.com wrote:

 He has decided after a year to find a secondhand bonnet, as he believes
 his is too damaged to repair  the cost of a new one frightened him a bit,
 hence the request for a second hand bonnet.
 John


 On Friday, 2 August 2013 19:51:18 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:

 How damaged ?
 Pictures ?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-03 Thread John Woodward
Apparently the front subframe is different on early cars, there were I'm 
informed only 4 round headlight cars made (I have seen 3), this information 
came from Glyn, who had many years at Stourbridge, then of course KAP, (my 
friend went to see him this week) so he should know. We have been offered a 
bonnet (with flaps), which comes with the frame because there are 
different front frames, my friend is currently exploring this option.

I agree totally about the quality of Eddies work.

John

On Saturday, 3 August 2013 19:31:47 UTC+1, Gary wrote:

 Intrigued as to why the round headlamp wont fit?
 thought it was an option and don't see why old Q would design something 
 that wont fit the standard chassis set up.
 Not questioning those with the knowledge just interested.
 Plus Eddies work is unrivalled as yet in the world of Quantum's.


 On 3 August 2013 08:40, John Woodward john.wo...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 He has decided after a year to find a secondhand bonnet, as he believes 
 his is too damaged to repair  the cost of a new one frightened him a bit, 
 hence the request for a second hand bonnet.
 John


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 How damaged ?
 Pictures ?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-03 Thread Jim Hearne
I also thought the round headlight nose was a straight swap with the 
other one.


The different subframes were the standard CVH and then special versions 
for the Diesel, CVH turbo and Zetec.
The CVH turbo certainly had a different inside panel on the bonnet to 
allow for the radiator being further forward so in that respect the 
bonnet could need to be matched to the frame.


Jim


On 03/08/2013 20:12, John Woodward wrote:
Apparently the front subframe is different on early cars, there were 
I'm informed only 4 round headlight cars made (I have seen 3), this 
information came from Glyn, who had many years at Stourbridge, then of 
course KAP, (my friend went to see him this week) so he should know. 
We have been offered a bonnet (with flaps), which comes with the frame 
because there are different front frames, my friend is currently 
exploring this option.


I agree totally about the quality of Eddies work.

John

On Saturday, 3 August 2013 19:31:47 UTC+1, Gary wrote:

Intrigued as to why the round headlamp wont fit?
thought it was an option and don't see why old Q would design
something that wont fit the standard chassis set up.
Not questioning those with the knowledge just interested.
Plus Eddies work is unrivalled as yet in the world of Quantum's.


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He has decided after a year to find a secondhand bonnet, as he
believes his is too damaged to repair  the cost of a new one
frightened him a bit, hence the request for a second hand bonnet.
John


On Friday, 2 August 2013 19:51:18 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:

How damaged ?
Pictures ?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-03 Thread Jamest142
Hiya folks

I've got one of the round headlight 2+2, and the chassis / frame is nice 
90' angles, whereas the later cars have the front chassis / frame at an 
angle to allow the flappy gubbins to fit (Technical term for a Saturday!).

Can take pics if anyone needs, but will need someone to advise how to 
attach them on here. ;-)

Cannot see why a round bonnet will not fit a later car though.  Could you 
not trial fit with just the mounting / swivel pins at the lower front 
fitted, and see how it goes?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Bonnet

2013-08-03 Thread Jim Hearne

That would make sense.
If the pictures are a sensible size they should just attach to you 
message (if you are sending by email)


Jim

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Hiya folks

I've got one of the round headlight 2+2, and the chassis / frame is 
nice 90' angles, whereas the later cars have the front chassis / frame 
at an angle to allow the flappy gubbins to fit (Technical term for a 
Saturday!).


Can take pics if anyone needs, but will need someone to advise how to 
attach them on here. ;-)


Cannot see why a round bonnet will not fit a later car though.  Could 
you not trial fit with just the mounting / swivel pins at the lower 
front fitted, and see how it goes?


Best regards

James T
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