Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...
The linux kernel bug aparently was found and fixed: related thread: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/2/276 bug analysis: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/2/373 fix: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/2/415 Antonio M. Moreiras. Bill Unruh escreveu: On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:31:34 +0100, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: Hi there Steve Kostecke wrote: All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc 2.4.16-k7 What about the hardware (Intel /AMD)? Rob: Everything in my post above was Intel based, no AMD or otherwise. Why in the world would you then have an amd64 kerenl and two k7 kernels, and one powerpc kernel? None of those is intel. He *never* said that. Those are Steve's systems. The post even includes that fact. Ooops. My mistake-- not reading th properly Danny ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Not 3 or 4 years, likely by June or December 2010. Rich Schmidt Unfortunately we will have to wait 3 or 4 years for the next test. Cheers, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:31:34 +0100, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: Hi there Steve Kostecke wrote: All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc 2.4.16-k7 What about the hardware (Intel /AMD)? Rob: Everything in my post above was Intel based, no AMD or otherwise. Why in the world would you then have an amd64 kerenl and two k7 kernels, and one powerpc kernel? None of those is intel. George ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Unruh wrote: George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:31:34 +0100, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: Hi there Steve Kostecke wrote: All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc 2.4.16-k7 What about the hardware (Intel /AMD)? Rob: Everything in my post above was Intel based, no AMD or otherwise. Why in the world would you then have an amd64 kerenl and two k7 kernels, and one powerpc kernel? None of those is intel. He *never* said that. Those are Steve's systems. The post even includes that fact. Danny ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:31:34 +0100, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: Hi there Steve Kostecke wrote: All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc 2.4.16-k7 What about the hardware (Intel /AMD)? Rob: Everything in my post above was Intel based, no AMD or otherwise. Why in the world would you then have an amd64 kerenl and two k7 kernels, and one powerpc kernel? None of those is intel. He *never* said that. Those are Steve's systems. The post even includes that fact. Ooops. My mistake-- not reading th properly Danny -- William G. Unruh | Canadian Institute for| Tel: +1(604)822-3273 PhysicsAstronomy | Advanced Research | Fax: +1(604)822-5324 UBC, Vancouver,BC | Program in Cosmology | un...@physics.ubc.ca Canada V6T 1Z1 | and Gravity | www.theory.physics.ubc.ca/ ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On 2 Gen, 06:47, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: On 2009-01-01, Laws, Peter C. pl...@ou.edu wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. Same here, in the server farm I work for there're about one hundred linux server of all flavours and vintage, all running ntp. None of them has been reported down by our monitoring software. Best regards Francesco ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:07:35 -0800 (PST), francesco.messi...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 Gen, 06:47, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: On 2009-01-01, Laws, Peter C. pl...@ou.edu wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. Same here, in the server farm I work for there're about one hundred linux server of all flavours and vintage, all running ntp. None of them has been reported down by our monitoring software. No problems here: OLD Calders Linux with 2.6.23.12 and ntp ntp-4.2.4p5 was find Fedora Core 9 running 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686 and ntp-4.2.4p5-2.fc9.i386 was fine about 150 VMware guests running Red Hat ES4U5 with ntp-4.2.4p5 are also just fine Also about 30 Solaris 9 boxes with ntp-4.2.4p5 are also working well in other words no problems here with anything that I'm responsible for. -- ===[George R. Kasica]===+1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com geor...@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:31:34 +0100, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: Hi there Steve Kostecke wrote: All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc 2.4.16-k7 What about the hardware (Intel /AMD)? Rob: Everything in my post above was Intel based, no AMD or otherwise. George ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Well, thankfully it was a complete non-event here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/ntp-events.htm#2008-12-31 My thanks to those who wrote the GPS PPS code, made the Windows leap-second code, and made the Windows port available. It all went without a hitch. I see from another list that even Apple.com had a server which missed the leap-second Thanks, and a Very Happy New Year! David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:06:04 GMT, Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Here are clockstats log around the (non-)event. 54831 86388.033 127.127.26.0 scpi T22008123123594930+0045 54831 86388.113 127.127.30.0 3439756788.48646 2008 366 23 59 48 48 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86389.112 127.127.30.0 3439756789.57710 2008 366 23 59 49 49 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86390.113 127.127.30.0 3439756790.56304 2008 366 23 59 50 50 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86391.113 127.127.30.0 3439756791.56718 2008 366 23 59 51 51 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86392.112 127.127.30.0 3439756792.56365 2008 366 23 59 52 52 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86393.112 127.127.30.0 3439756793.47510 2008 366 23 59 53 53 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86394.112 127.127.30.0 3439756794.56431 2008 366 23 59 54 54 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86395.112 127.127.30.0 3439756795.47578 2008 366 23 59 55 55 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86396.111 127.127.30.0 3439756796.56462 2008 366 23 59 56 56 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86397.111 127.127.30.0 3439756797.47775 2008 366 23 59 57 57 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86398.121 127.127.30.0 3439756798.56269 2008 366 23 59 58 58 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86399.111 127.127.30.0 3439756799.47972 2008 366 23 59 59 59 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54831 86399.111 127.127.30.0 3439756800.56637 2008 366 23 59 60 0 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54832 0.111 127.127.30.0 3439756800.47308 2009 1 0 0 0 0 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54832 1.111 127.127.30.0 3439756801.56930 2009 1 0 0 1 1 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54832 2.110 127.127.30.0 3439756802.47412 2009 1 0 0 2 2 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 54832 3.033 127.127.26.0 scpi T2200901010432A 54832 3.110 127.127.30.0 3439756803.58935 2009 1 0 0 3 3 rstat 08 dop 0.0 nsat 9,8 traim 0,x,x sigma xx neg-sawtooth xxx sat 4.2.5p...@1.1793-o on FreeBSD 6.1 leapfile configured. /hjj ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 07:43:13 GMT, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk wrote: Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Well, thankfully it was a complete non-event here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/ntp-events.htm#2008-12-31 My thanks to those who wrote the GPS PPS code, made the Windows leap-second code, and made the Windows port available. It all went without a hitch. I see from another list that even Apple.com had a server which missed the leap-second Thanks, and a Very Happy New Year! Maybe thats' what started killing the Microsloth Zunes earlier in the day ?? LOL (Just kidding - very glad I don't work for MS right now) -- ===[George R. Kasica]===+1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com geor...@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Well, thankfully it was a complete non-event here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/ntp-events.htm#2008-12-31 My thanks to those who wrote the GPS PPS code, made the Windows leap-second code, and made the Windows port available. It all went without a hitch. Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. I see from another list that even Apple.com had a server which missed the leap-second Thanks, and a Very Happy New Year! David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Unruh wrote: [] Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any specific references? I haven't looked at the source code, but I would have thought that ntp.c sounded like a fairly fundamental part of the code. For any future projects, I intend to stick to FreeBSD. Cheers, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Hi there Unruh wrote: Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. One of mine did; I have two Debian Lenny boxes. Kernel 2.6.26-1-486 on a AMD Athlon, and 2.6.26-1-686 on Core 2 Quad. Both are based on Linux 2.6.26-12 (identical source). 2.6.26-1-486 locked up, 2.6.26-1-686 did not. Neither did my Sarge 2.4.27-2-686 Pentium II or Sid 2.6.20-1-686 Pentium III. Apart from that everything went smoothly. Apparently my ISPs clocks messed up again. Regards, Rob ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. 2 of mine locked up. They were running 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 1 worked. It was running 2.6.23. Does anybody have any details on the bug or it's fix? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Once upon a time, Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca said: Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. I had one Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 box lock up. However, I have a half dozen other boxes running the exact same software set (kernel and all other packages) that worked just fine. I've read that a number of people running Oracle RAC (not just Oracle) had lock-ups and/or reboots. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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FWIW, my computer running Slackware Linux 12.2 had no trouble with the leap second. I have ntpd using us.pool.ntp.org. Slackware 12.2 runs Linux 2.6.27.7, which seems to be a lot better in terms of the drift rate than older kernels in the 2.6 series. When the leap second happened, the following was logged in /var/log/messages. Dec 31 17:59:59 dell kernel: Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Unruh wrote: [] Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any specific references? I haven't looked at the source code, but I would have thought that ntp.c sounded like a fairly fundamental part of the code. For any future projects, I intend to stick to FreeBSD. Go to the Debian newsgroups. linux.debian.user Subject: hard crash on leap second The problem has not been tracked down definitively ( or even that the problem was with the leap second) but it is suggestive. Unfortunately we will have to wait 3 or 4 years for the next test. Cheers, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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Unruh wrote: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Unruh wrote: [] Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any specific references? I haven't looked at the source code, but I would have thought that ntp.c sounded like a fairly fundamental part of the code. For any future projects, I intend to stick to FreeBSD. Go to the Debian newsgroups. linux.debian.user Subject: hard crash on leap second The problem has not been tracked down definitively ( or even that the problem was with the leap second) but it is suggestive. Unfortunately we will have to wait 3 or 4 years for the next test. Thanks, Bill. David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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On 2009-01-01, Laws, Peter C. pl...@ou.edu wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc 2.4.16-k7 -- Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org NTP Public Services Project - http://support.ntp.org/ ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
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I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Operations Center / Remote University of Oklahoma Information Technology pl...@ou.edu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
