Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going down (which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally stored music? Yes, that's true. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going down (which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally stored music? Yes, that's true. -- Michael That's rather interesting, and for me that would be one reason not to buy in to the new server-player system, were it to be extended to a HiFi quality player that had the same limitation. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Grumpy Bob wrote: That's rather interesting, and for me that would be one reason not to buy in to the new server-player system, were it to be extended to a HiFi quality player that had the same limitation. Robert It looks like the player control for local files is at uesmartradio.com Like you I registered at uesmartradio.com, I downloaded the UE Music Library software, it seems to run fine on Windows 7 alongside LMS. There's a Control Panel very similar to LMS. HTTP port is 3546, - 127.0.0.1:3546 goes straight to the settings page very similar to LMS, there is *NO* Home/Player Control page. +---+ |Filename: compare.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13668| +---+ kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
travelfotografer wrote: Maybe Logitech found that people are now glued to their smartphones, and there is no longer a need for a product like Touch. Instead, you just need a Smart Radio Plus with digital outs, and you can play, queue, etc your music files using the smartphone app. Even with my current touch, I use my tablet to control it. You mean the Receiver they discontinued? If they added the 48/96 capabilities of the Touch to it, a decent way of setting it up (that is, without the controller) and they priced it somewhere between the Radio and the Touch, I'm sure a lot of people would have went for it. In the pre-iPeng / Squeezecommander era it made no sense to release something like that as stand-alone. With them discontinuing the unit without a proper replacement just shows how clueless the Logitech exec's are... hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
The certainly seems to be done with the web-UI for controll :-/ Does the online UE service have something nice and modern to use when you cue up local tracks ? A redeeming thing could be if they finally get any kind of smart playlist functionality using this more closed approach . A more sinister thing is that the UE server would be capable of storing your whole playlist history . Now that every track you play will be exposed to their server . I think this is intentional this info can probably be used in some smart ways with different online services , I would not be surprised if spotify/mog/faacebook/[some service] would be delighted. This kind of personal data is very valuable these days so now you musical taste can be a commodity too, to be used by faceless corporations that worries me a lot . This kind of implementation can benefit your music use but you giving up privacy at the same time . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Paul Webster wrote: I saw MH comment that he is running his server for UE Radio on Linux - so this means (implies at least) that there is still software for the end-user to install. Isn't that the part that causes some end-users to have problems (the installation a s running of software)? If they can install and run something (and recognise that if the machine that they ran it on it not switched on then they can't play their local music) then they would have been able to run LMS wouldn't they? The concept is a bit different though. Ye olde SB was initially designed to have a local server (I believe the first devices only ever worked that way), later MySB was added to the mix and provided some backend support for various services and it also acted as a limited features fallback solution when you didn't have a local server. The concept provided ample amounts of pitfalls to stump the casual (uninterested) user and to cause support headaches for Logitech. With the UE device always connected to the server in the cloud they've dumbed things down a bit. Installing the server and getting it to work will still be too difficult for some, but explaining this concept to a reluctant learner is probably less challenging. Paul Webster wrote: If the new device was a UPnP-AV control point and player ... then that could make a home set-up simpler since the server software that they would need might already be on their machine and Logitech would not have to build maintain server software (except for their managed service). That is the route taken by other Internet radio-centric devices. A couple of problems with that. Given the wildly varying performance of UPnP servers I wouldn't like to market any product depending on those. More importantly though, even if LMS has issues with handling libraries with less than perfect metadata, when it does work it will slap most UPnP servers silly when handling large music collections. In my mind the LMS is a large portion of what puts the SB above the other streaming systems for music and I expect that some of it will carry over to the new system, using UPnP it would have been harder to stand out from the a rather bland group of streamers. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: Does this mean that in the event of one's internet connection going down (which used to happen frequently when I was with my former ISP, the major UK ISP), the UE Radio cannot be controlled to play locally stored music? Yes, that's true. That feels like a really bad restriction. I can't think of any other home music players that have to have an internet connection available when they are playing locally held tracks. I presume that it is only control information that is going out to the Logitech internet service and that the music is coming from the local server and not going out to internet service and back again ... because if it is doing that then it is even worse. Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
cliffpatte wrote: In the UK, all products need to be fit for purpose from manufacture for 7 years. So, if a product is manufactured to do internet radio, it should do it without error for up to 7 years. Warranty is a different issue. Can you provide a suitable reference? awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
cliffpatte wrote: In the UK, all products need to be fit for purpose from manufacture for 7 years. So, if a product is manufactured to do internet radio, it should do it without error for up to 7 years. Warranty is a different issue. 7 more years of MySB.com would be great, but I doubt it. Lot of wiggle room for Logitech. - only an issue for the Touch as SB Radio can be updated to UE - Touch itself and/or use of LMS does provide internet radio access absent MySB.com - not that anybody reads such mumbo-jumbo but I'd bet in the Terms of Service for MySB are some outs like service can end at any time etc... - even if MySB.com remained accessible for 7 years, at what level of usability? i.e. Maybe all subscription services will be gone? Now, there is one big plus for MySB.com users that may help keep it accessible for a reasonable time period. The new UE online server is basically a stripped down MySB.com. So going forward it might not be that big of a technological effort to keep both going *if* they are so similar in architecture. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Mnyb wrote: A more sinister thing is that the UE server would be capable of storing your whole playlist history . Now that every track you play will be exposed to their server . I think this is intentional this info can probably be used in some smart ways with different online services , I would not be surprised if spotify/mog/faacebook/[some service] would be delighted. This kind of personal data is very valuable these days so now you musical taste can be a commodity too, to be used by faceless corporations that worries me a lot . This kind of implementation can benefit your music use but you giving up privacy at the same time . You hit the nail here. The name of the game is CONTROL. Looks like Logitech is going into the same direction as Apple did since it's beginning. That's why I never bought any Apple-products and never used iTunes etc. and NEVER will! For the same reason I don't use (pseudo)Social Networks like Facebook or the Cloud etc. The control freaks are taking over more and more. Seems to be the right time to look for another solution which does not require to login to a remote UE server when playing your local music. I'll continue to use my beloved SBT for as long as it works, but I'm definitely not going the UE-road... From my point of view Logitech turns into the wrong direction and many will turn their back to Logitech due to this change... Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
toby10 wrote: Now, there is one big plus for MySB.com users that may help keep it accessible for a reasonable time period. The new UE online server is basically a stripped down MySB.com. So going forward it might not be that big of a technological effort to keep both going *if* they are so similar in architecture. Exactly, and even if us oldtimers may think that the UE stuff is kinda sucky, provided the new line generates sufficient profit for Logitech it's what will keep support for our SBs going. One thing to remember is that MySB provides a number of rather different services (providing firmware download, brokering access to online services, running apps, providing fallback server for users without LMS). Logitech may not pull the plug on all of them simultaneously. I guess it doesn't take too much effort to keep firmware download going, and I expect a lot of the web radio stuff doesn't consume many CPU cycles, on the other hand, driving a bunch of slim devices that are completely dependent on the server for just about anything is as far as I understand rather taxing. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Soundman wrote: From my point of view Logitech turns into the wrong direction and many will turn their back to Logitech due to this change... Considering how people flock towards all kinds of services without any concern of privacy, I seriously doubt this will make the slightest dent in Logitech sales. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Does the online UE service have something nice and modern to use when you cue up local tracks ? No. The mobile app is considered your main control point. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Michael or others, is there a chance that we can get a side-by-side comparison of the two products both in features and available out of the box radio streams? I think that this would help eliminate some confusion and questions. Like any new, soon to be released, announcement there is more questions than answers at this stage. I love my Squeezebox Radio and was seriously thinking about getting one or two more for my Office desk and the basement. Now, I'm in a holding state trying to decide if it's better to get the ones I know or the ones I do not yet. Personally, the whole require Internet to stream local music is not much of an issue EXCEPT the concern that one day everything will stop (hopefully a very long time from now). But, for example, DLNA device support would be a huge win IMO because it's a widely supported standard. Maybe AirPlay may interest some. But I'm also reading things such as Pandora and SiriusXM may not be on the stream list which would a huge shame but maybe new streams like Grooveshark or whatever where added. Personally, Logitech has put me as a returning consumer in a holding state for future business with them and mostly due to the fact that I don't know enough about the future radio to the existing. Thanks for your time and all you do here! I've shadowed these forums for years on and off... --Mark manielse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
alfista wrote: Considering how people flock towards all kinds of services without any concern of privacy, I seriously doubt this will make the slightest dent in Logitech sales. You're probably right about that... unfortunately. Things may change once many people had to learn it the hard way... but till then, they will run voluntarily into this trap. Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Deja Vous - Again
Haven't posted here in a long time. Which is actually testament to having finally got a stable and reliable system (using a local 7.5 server) - and then not touching it at all. Like many, I had suffered the very unreliable alarm function on the radio. Almost to the point of giving up on it. Anyway, I finally had to rebuild my NAS this week (ReadyNas Duo) after installing 2 new 2TB disks for all those videos. I suspect that this post is more predictable than the plot of Titanic. You know what's coming, right. - Reinstalled the NAS - Reinstalled Squeezebox server (LMS 7.7) - Upgraded software on all squeezeboxes (radio touch - both wired to network) - Copied all music video to NAS. Much time passes - Tested that radio and touch were playing music and radio - and showing the right time. - Grumbled a bit that I now had to licence the Custom Clock plugin which I can't live without. - Set my alarm for 6am, checked that radio was showing alarm at the right time. - Then set my mobile phone to wake me at 6.05 - just in case. And guess what. - Woke up to the inevitable sound of Marimba from the iPhone. - Spent next 10 minutes persuading the wife not drop the radio out of the window. OK, so I eventually figured out what had happened. I had neglected to reset the correct timezone on the NAS - so it had defaulted to centre of the known Universe (ie US Eastern time) So even though the radio was showing the correct time, the server was 5 hours behind. But my point is this... If I set an alarm for 6am on the radio interface, then there is absolutely ZERO excuse for the radio to know it is 6am and do nothing - not even a fallback. Even if the server goes missing, or has the wrong timezone or any other problem - the radio should be self-contained enough to at least play the fallback. I know all the arguments about the legacy server-based architecture, but surely the unit must be self-sufficient enough to cope with the above. Wasn't that the point of the fallback alarm ? Its more than two years on, and as ever Squeezebox remains too problematic for anyone without a computer science degree. But for a few (critical) failings in the user-experience, the radio could have been such a crossover consumer product. I don't know why it frustrates me so. I guess its the sense of opportunity lost. Its as if Logi are happy to let it die. Rant over. See you in 2 years when I next upgrade. squishy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96234 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: Where can I get hold of a firmware *.bin? http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/ - not there yet, but that is where they're supposed to be -- Michael I presume it is this one? http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/10.0.0/ Asenath83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
I presume it is this one? http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/10.0.0/ Yes. There's no way back. You've been warned. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Deja Vous - Again
Have subsequently only just seen the sticky thread about the *new* product line (UE) including radio. Somewhat supersedes my comments about consumer product vs geeks-only. Sounds like the way forward was to start-over in terms of architecture/software ? I think I need to digest it properly. squishy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96234 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
What is the UE communication protocol between UE server and UE Radio? Is it UPNP/DLNA, the SB protocol or a new one? Is it possible to connect other devices than the UE Radio to the UE server? boxowl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16016 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: I presume it is this one? http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/10.0.0/ Yes. There's no way back. You've been warned. -- Michael This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would I have to intentionally seek out this upgrade??? And I too would love to see a feature comparison between the SB and UE line. I'm really failing to see what is gained via the UE architecture -- from either Logitech's perspective or from the average user's. It does of course alienate the install base, which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Hey, let's abandon backward compatibility just for shits and giggles... ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
ajkidle wrote: I'm really failing to see what is gained via the UE architecture -- from either Logitech's perspective or from the average user's. It does of course alienate the install base, which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Hey, let's abandon backward compatibility just for shits and giggles... I find this very queer too. Users have different needs. There is no need to kill backward compatibility; just offer a simple setup mode (aka UERadio) or advanced setup mode (aka LMS). Logitech could have increased the customer base in both directions, casual listeners and sophisticated users. Now, they have simply killed off the sophisticated users group. The Touch won a Sterophile award; what is Logitech thinking!? They could have taken that momentum and move up to more pricey (read higher margins) products for discerning audiophiles moving into computer based audio... or is the mass market just becoming ever more simplistic? travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
If you watch the commercial for the new Radio it says it can play local music. How is that going to happen? Kuben72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15308 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
If you watch the commercial for the new Radio it says it can play local music. How is that going to happen? Check this thread for UE Music Library (UEML) -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would I have to intentionally seek out this upgrade??? No. We will make sure there's a big red warning sign before you apply it. And double check you really want to do this. The upgrade will be optional. -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Aah Smart Library Server - is that a new LMS? Kuben72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15308 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Kuben72 wrote: If you watch the commercial for the new Radio it says it can play local music. How is that going to happen? Go back a page or two, it's well covered. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
ajkidle wrote: This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would I have to intentionally seek out this upgrade??? And I too would love to see a feature comparison between the SB and UE line. I'm really failing to see what is gained via the UE architecture -- from either Logitech's perspective or from the average user's. It does of course alienate the install base, which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Hey, let's abandon backward compatibility just for shits and giggles... They managed to dumb it down , wonder if it actually also gets simpler ;) the goldmine is an advanced product that is simple to use ( for example my my desktop PC ,I'm happy to use 0,1% of it's potential , the rest is not in the way ). Not a product that is plain simple without any smartness ? Also the UE music library software (with the server removed from the name albiet it still is a server ) based on LMS and it's scanner ? still the same prickliness about metadata perfection and mysterius bugs ? These eccentricities can be tolerated and somewhat endearing in an advanced feature rich product community supported etc (which possible 3rd party workarounds ) but a plain and simple product with this kind of bugginess ? IMHO if you break legacy support with UE music library software why not begin with a clean slate and do the long overdue rewrite remember the new schema discussions in 2008 . With the UE move you have the freedom to reboot the project , but no on the cheap with legacy bugs but not legacy support :) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
What is the rational for the player needing to communicate with Logitech's server to play local music? Software (a server) has to be installed locally to play local music. It seems overly complicated and unnecessary for the radio to have to communicate with Logitech's server to play local music. It is also absolutely rediculous that you wouldn't be able to play local music without an Internet connection. Any insight? Thanks. maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
If they want to make it more simple to use they should have added a USB slot for direct playback of files stored on a usb media and upnp support for playback of media in the home network, not another propietary software that has to be installed. marlo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37542 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Mnyb wrote: They managed to dumb it down , wonder if it actually also gets simpler ;) the goldmine is an advanced product that is simple to use ( for example my my desktop PC ,I'm happy to use 0,1% of it's potential , the rest is not in the way ). Not a product that is plain simple without any smartness ? Also the UE music library software (with the server removed from the name albiet it still is a server ) based on LMS and it's scanner ? still the same prickliness about metadata perfection and mysterius bugs ? These eccentricities can be tolerated and somewhat endearing in an advanced feature rich product community supported etc (which possible 3rd party workarounds ) but a plain and simple product with this kind of bugginess ? IMHO if you break legacy support with UE music library software why not begin with a clean slate and do the long overdue rewrite remember the new schema discussions in 2008 . With the UE move you have the freedom to reboot the project , but no on the cheap with legacy bugs but not legacy support :) Print screen of UE Music Library scanner details below, automatically found my small iTunes library, use iTunes was checked by default. +---+ |Filename: Pic06.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13671| +---+ kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
kidstypike wrote: Print screen of UE Music Library scanner details below, automatically found my small iTunes library, use iTunes was checked by default. Interesting that there's no count of images or videos displayed. Does this mean that all the half-broken stuff for scanning/serving non-music has gone bye-byes? A cunningly-disguised improvement, rather than the feared shipwreck? pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
maggior wrote: What is the rational for the player needing to communicate with Logitech's server to play local music? Software (a server) has to be installed locally to play local music. It seems overly complicated and unnecessary for the radio to have to communicate with Logitech's server to play local music. It is also absolutely rediculous that you wouldn't be able to play local music without an Internet connection. Any insight? Thanks. it's covered elsewhere ,but in short to avoid the server switching mystery !? for new users ( a normal person gets the idea in 5 minutes but not the intended user base of this product ), now it stays connected to only one server , the online one all the time with the same unified interface and only one set of preferences and settings and presets favorites etc . It also presents an opportunity to datamine your listening habits re local files for the subscription services you use or for other parties ? The local server(s) are treated as any other source , so if you install the UE software on several computers there is still no server switching . But there must be a better way ? to make the Squeezeplay interface present an unified front and be connected to all servers simultaneously ? How exactly is it done i have not tried the process of doing this is not reversible to the radio . Wonder if some dare to brick a Radio to try out the challenge is to jailbreak an UE radio to be able to downgrade it to a normal Radio . We learn that interface will be on the player or an iThing or Andriod app ,no Web-UI anymore . I agree that It is also absolutely rediculous that you wouldn't be able to play local music without an Internet connection but the teaming masses that are expected to buy the UE Radio by the millions is only expected to have some rudimentary local collection(s) that is not their main use , so local files are only a feature . they will be listening to radio or subcription servives most of the time. Vs that in the squeezeworld squeezenetwork begun as a feature to the local server . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
pallfreeman wrote: Interesting that there's no count of images or videos displayed. Does this mean that all the half-broken stuff for scanning/serving non-music has gone bye-byes? A cunningly-disguised improvement, rather than the feared shipwreck? Thats an improvement , but can you still specify more than one folder ? Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Mnyb wrote: Thats an improvement , but can you still specify more than one folder ? Yes +---+ |Filename: Pic07.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13672| +---+ kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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JimC wrote: I had typed a really long response, but then I figured there's really no reason. You've summed it up perfectly, including the kudos for Michael (and anyone else who is still there and trying build something great.) It is simply a sad day. -= Jim Completley agree with the above. I must say it is no surprise to me that Logitech finaly ditched Squeezebox. But it still is sad news to me too. I wont ditch my Squeezebox players just yet and Ill keep using them while they still work. I did try Sonos last year and that system is terrible when one is used to the great SB features. But will I buy additional SBs: no way. Will I buy any other Logitech product: hell no. I will even advice against any Logitech products when people ask about product suggestions. Even though I knew this day was coming Im still very pissed at Logitech. It just shows us what a crap company Logitech is. Anyway, I just hope that there will be a decent replacement system when my current lineup of Squeezeboxes die. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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So, they do what they should do with LMS, and turn it back into a music server. But then they stop supporting the mainstream music hardware. This is madness. Thanks for posting those screenshots, dude. I wish I'd bought whisky instead of unoaked chardonnay tonight. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
I have a qnap nas and wanted to buy a squeezebox radio to listen my local music in wifi, perhaps in the garden with the battery. With this new UE radio will be possible? exists the possibility to download the server software for my QNAP nas? or should I look for a squeezebox radio on the market yet? Thanks Dam damiano_free's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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mherger wrote: This has me really concerned that I'm going to accidentally neuter my Radios. Is this firmware going to be pushed down via LMS? Or would I have to intentionally seek out this upgrade??? No. We will make sure there's a big red warning sign before you apply it. And double check you really want to do this. The upgrade will be optional. -- Michael I must say I do worry about a future Apple-style, poison-pill, irreversible firmware upgrade that removes features and hobbles functionality. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they really aren't out to get me. Scardeville's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
maggior wrote: What is the rational for the player needing to communicate with Logitech's server to play local music? Software (a server) has to be installed locally to play local music. It seems overly complicated and unnecessary for the radio to have to communicate with Logitech's server to play local music. It is also absolutely rediculous that you wouldn't be able to play local music without an Internet connection. Any insight? Thanks. Its a new software architecture accidentally invented by a developer with a stutter Client-Server-Server squishy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
OK, I think I've just about digested all this uproar. I guess my take is this. Dumbing down the complexity in order to achieve a simpler user-experience, more reliable functionality (eg alarm that works without fail) and appeal to the wider mass market - I can appreciate that logic. But doing so by giving your loyal user-community no transition path (we have to replace our entire eco-system to UE in one go - radio excepted) seems borderline suicidal. Which even assumes that the UE brand achieves enough momentum to justify further products. We have to assume a touch equivalent, surely. If the system was being re-architected from the ground up, then it would be easier to understand the choice to sever links with the past. Brave if risky. But given that the new server is clearly based on the existing LMS, choosing to break backwards-compatability (to legacy hardware) seems very questionable - at best. There has always been a trade-off between the open-ness of the system and its ability to appeal to a less technical market. Given the nature of Logitech, that trade off was only ever going to move in one direction. More closed. What is surprising is the brutality of the change - given the success of the radio touch. Like most others, I'll stick with what works for now and see what the future holds. squishy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
squishy wrote: OK, I think I've just about digested all this uproar. I guess my take is this. Dumbing down the complexity in order to achieve a simpler user-experience, more reliable functionality (eg alarm that works without fail) and appeal to the wider mass market - I can appreciate that logic. But doing so by giving your loyal user-community no transition path (we have to replace our entire eco-system to UE in one go - radio excepted) seems borderline suicidal. Which even assumes that the UE brand achieves enough momentum to justify further products. We have to assume a touch equivalent, surely. If the system was being re-architected from the ground up, then it would be easier to understand the choice to sever links with the past. Brave if risky. But given that the new server is clearly based on the existing LMS, choosing to break backwards-compatability (to legacy hardware) seems very questionable - at best. There has always been a trade-off between the open-ness of the system and its ability to appeal to a less technical market. Given the nature of Logitech, that trade off was only ever going to move in one direction. More closed. What is surprising is the brutality of the change - given the success of the radio touch. Like most others, I'll stick with what works for now and see what the future holds. Well said. I'm really struggling to figure out the rationale. Either there's some more stuff to come that we haven't guessed, the community's general interpretation is wildly off, or they made a pretty dubious business decision. And this is coming from a newbie who has not yet become invested in the SB ecosystem. Seems like they have a really low-cost way to not piss off likely their fiercest advocates. Also, by all accounts, the Touch is pretty successful commercially and really successful critically. Not sure about the rest of the non-Radio line. In any event, they've already borne the ramp-up costs...hard to believe they wouldn't have a decent margin going forward if they kept cranking out Touches unchanged. And it really wouldn't seem to cannibalize their new UE Radio sales, either. DubMarc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56796 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
After reading this very sad news I actually went out and got another SBradio. Can anyone confirm that when I power it up and it tries to update the firmware, I will still get the latest SB firmware and not the UE firmware? Drongo Drongo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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This has certainly been an interesting week on the forums. I am certainly not as tech savvy as many of you here are, but these are my thoughts. 1. There have been many posts about people having issues w the way the SB?LMS system works for them. If many of the options previously available are not there, many of these issues go away and hopefully make the product or products more out of the box user freindly. One might then forecast increased sales volume/wider market. 2. The features that many miss in a new platform might possibly be addressed by 3rd party plugins or other work-arounds. There are many very talented people on these forums who provided some of these things to the SB/LMS platform. I would guess that some would pursue like options w the new products. 3. Most of us I would guess wished that Logitech had continued and improved the current hardware and software. We are probably a small slice of the overall market though and dumbing down the product makes good business sense to Logitech. Operating a business w a forward looking approach is the only logical way and I believe that this is what has happened. 4. The need to be connected to the internet is from my perspective a large miscalculation and limits the market to an extent. But look at the tremendous growth of the iphone/smartphone business all internet connected. Does it not make sense for them to pursue marketing along those lines. Does it make me happy-not a bit. 5. Decisions like the ones Logitech has made made and will make are based on an individuals perception of what will sell. They are not made solely to maintain the contentedness of past customers. I do not recall anyone contacting me to assist me w or consult me about the transition from 8-track tapes to cassetes to Cds or VCR tapes to DVDs. These changes will continue to happen. 6. We should be thankful for the support that Logitech has given us in the past and appreciate what we receive in the future. We should also strive to keep these forums a viable place for people to get any assistance we might be able to offer-that is why I believe these forums have survived. 7. I believe we need to continue to push for backwards compatibility of new software w Squeezebox hardware and to also push for a unit than can be connected to the home stereo system. 8. Am I happy, no. Do I understand, yes. Are some of my conclusions wrong, certainly. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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My iPad still functions without the Internet. m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Drongo wrote: After reading this very sad news I actually went out and got another SBradio. Can anyone confirm that when I power it up and it tries to update the firmware, I will still get the latest SB firmware and not the UE firmware? Confirmed, a Squeezebox Radio will remain a Squeezebox Radio until you explicitly choose to convert it to a UE Smart Radio, there is no risk that you will do it by accident. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
