Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread bpa

Triode;697268 Wrote: 
> Interestingly I get 403 when fetching that playlists, what happens if
> you fetch the program without the specific type, it may be that they
> are phasing out that version of the stream:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w
The output of the URL


Code:


  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/
  BBC
  BBC
  (c) British Broadcasting Corporation
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/"/>
  
  
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/"/>
  BBC 
  
  
  



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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread Triode

bpa;697263 Wrote: 
> You're right
> Fail
> mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/radio4fmcoyopa/radio_4_fm_-_friday_1045.wma
> Work
> mms://wm.bbc.co.uk/wms/radio4fmcoyopa/radio_4_fm_-_friday_1045.wma
> 
> This is a BBC problem as the "iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete"
> playlist is the source. 
> 
> Anyway to contact BBC ?

Interestingly I get 403 when fetching that playlists, what happens if
you fetch the program without the specific type, it may be that they
are phasing out that version of the stream:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread mr-b

You can log faults with the Beeb directly, but due to the volume of
their communications the chap who runs http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/
might be a better path and source of info.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread bpa

Triode;697251 Wrote: 
> Looks like you are being directed to the uk geo restricted content..?
> "wm-acl.bbc.co.uk"

You're right
Fail
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/radio4fmcoyopa/radio_4_fm_-_friday_1045.wma
Work
mms://wm.bbc.co.uk/wms/radio4fmcoyopa/radio_4_fm_-_friday_1045.wma

This is a BBC problem as the "iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete"
playlist is the source. 

Anyway to contact BBC ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread Triode

Looks like you are being directed to the uk geo restricted content..?
"wm-acl.bbc.co.uk"


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread bpa

Here is an mplayer log as mplayer tries lots of variations to try to
contact and dumpas all the headers.


Code:


  root@linux:# mplayer -v -playlist 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Filename for url is now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Filename for url is now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  STREAM_HTTP(1), URL: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: www.bbc.co.uk
  Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.244.70]: 80...
  --- HTTP DEBUG HEADER --- START ---
  protocol:   [HTTP/1.1]
  http minor version: [1]
  uri:[(null)]
  method: [(null)]
  status code:[200]
  reason phrase:  [OK]
  body size:  [496]
  Fields:
  0 - Server: Apache
  1 - Cache-Control: private, proxy-revalidate, s-maxage=0, max-age=900
  2 - Content-Type: video/x-ms-asf
  3 - X-MS-Disclaimer: This code and data form part of the BBC iPlayer content 
protection system. Tampering with, removal of, misuse of, or unauthorised use 
of this code or data constitutes circumvention of the BBC's content protection 
measures and may result in legal action. BBC (C) 2012.
  4 - Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 18:10:04 GMT
  5 - X-MS-KVStoreTotalTime: 28 (3)
  6 - X-MS-Backend: MAD
  7 - Connection: close
  --- HTTP DEBUG HEADER --- END ---
  Content-Type: [video/x-ms-asf]
  Filename for url is now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Filename for url is now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  STREAM_ASF, URL: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Trying ASF/HTTP...
  Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: www.bbc.co.uk
  Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.246.91]: 80...
  => ASF Prerecorded
  size_confirm mismatch!: 22611 28271
  Error while parsing chunk header
  ===> ASF/HTTP failed
  Failed, exiting.
  Filename for url is now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Filename for url is now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  STREAM_HTTP(2), URL: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET6...
  Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: www.bbc.co.uk
  Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET...
  Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.244.66]: 80...
  --- HTTP DEBUG HEADER --- START ---
  protocol:   [HTTP/1.1]
  http minor version: [1]
  uri:[(null)]
  method: [(null)]
  status code:[200]
  reason phrase:  [OK]
  body size:  [496]
  Fields:
  0 - Server: Apache
  1 - Cache-Control: private, proxy-revalidate, s-maxage=0, max-age=900
  2 - Content-Type: video/x-ms-asf
  3 - X-MS-Disclaimer: This code and data form part of the BBC iPlayer content 
protection system. Tampering with, removal of, misuse of, or unauthorised use 
of this code or data constitutes circumvention of the BBC's content protection 
measures and may result in legal action. BBC (C) 2012.
  4 - Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 18:10:04 GMT
  5 - X-MS-KVStoreTotalTime: 0 (0)
  6 - X-MS-Backend: MAD
  7 - Connection: close
  --- HTTP DEBUG HEADER --- END ---
  Content-Type: [video/x-ms-asf]
  Cache size set to 320 KBytes
  STREAM: [null] 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete
  STREAM: Description: http streaming
  STREAM: Author: Bertrand, Albeu, Arpi? who?
  STREAM: Comment: plain http, also used as fallback for many other protocols
  Parsing playlist file 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/b01dq54w/iplayer_intl_stream_wma_lo_concrete...
  Trying asx...
  Detected asx format
  Adding file 
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/radio4fmcoyopa/radio_4_fm_-_friday_1045.wma to 
element entry
  Adding file 
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms2/radio4fmcoyopa/radio_4_fm_-_friday_1045.wma to 
element entry
  Playlist successfully parsed
  MPlayer 1.0rc4-4.5.2 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team
  CPU vendor name: GenuineIntel  max cpuid level: 10
  CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400  @ 3.00GHz (Family: 6, Model: 23, 
Stepping: 6)
  extended cpuid-level: 8
  extended cache-info: 402686016
  Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
  Testing OS support for SSE... yes.
  Tests of OS support for SSE passed.
  CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNowExt: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 SSSE3: 1
  Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
  get_path('codecs.conf') -> '/root/.mplayer/codecs.conf'
  Reading /root/.mplayer/

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread castalla

Reciva listen again not working since yesterday.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread Triode

bpa;697241 Wrote: 
> This is not a plugin/applet problem - the same URLs comes from the
> plugin/applet as appear in the Beebotron WMA non UK site such as on
> this page http://beebotron.org/public3/radio4fm.html
> 
> I've tried the link with both mplayer and SB and they do not play.
> 
> Is it possible the BBC have mixed up the UK/non-UK links here as well
> ?
> 
> I haven't checked other forums for other player such as reciva but I'd
> expect user to be passing comments.

Could you capture a log from the applet for a link which doesn't play
so I can pass to the BBC?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread bpa

This is not a plugin/applet problem - the same URLs comes from the
plugin/applet as appear in the Beebotron WMA non UK site such as on
this page http://beebotron.org/public3/radio4fm.html

I've tried the link with both mplayer and SB and they do not play.

Is it possible the BBC have mixed up the UK/non-UK links here as well
?

I haven't checked other forums for other player such as reciva but I'd
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread Triode

Bryan - looks to be working in the uk - can you mail me any debugs if
you think it is a plugin/applet problem, otherwise any details I can
raise with the BBC?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread bpa

In the last week the WMA versions of "Listen again" program seem to be
lost (at least outside the UK) - you have to use AAC version.

Are you trying to play WMA or AAC version ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-03-24 Thread son of terry

I've had the problem with the BBC Radio 3rd party app on Squeezebox
radio for the last couple of weeks, that although live radio works, I
get "Connection reset by local host" for the on-demand service. I have
version 1.11  of the app and Radio version 7.7.1  r9557. I don't use a
local squeezebox server on my pc.

Any ideas?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-29 Thread BrianG61UK

Triode;693274 Wrote: 
> Old versions available here:
> http://code.google.com/p/triodeapplets/downloads/list
> 
> However note that the only change between 1.10 and 1.11 is how it
> parses a playlist file - so will only change whether it finds a stream
> to play or not for wma streams, there are no changes to the underlying
> audio playback - this is all part of the firmware.

That's the easy part. :-) What I have no idea about is how to get that
into my SB Radio.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-29 Thread Triode

BrianG61UK;693145 Wrote: 
> Actually after "bedding in" that so often seems to be necessary when
> something gets upgraded on my Squeezebox Radio (a process of switching
> back and forth between MySq.com and my LMS many times interspersed with
> rebooting) WMA streams do seem to be working.
> 
> I notice that the local radio streams (both AAC and WMA) seem to be
> disturbed by many nasty pops and clicks tonight, but I think that must
> be a BBC problem.
> 
> The question about going back to previous versions still stands, and
> also is there any way I could use a version I modified myself in my SB
> Radio?

Old versions available here:
http://code.google.com/p/triodeapplets/downloads/list

However note that the only change between 1.10 and 1.11 is how it
parses a playlist file - so will only change whether it finds a stream
to play or not for wma streams, there are no changes to the underlying
audio playback - this is all part of the firmware.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-29 Thread Mushroom_3

My BBC Radio app went walkabout again yesterday so here's hoping 1.11
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-29 Thread mrw

BrianG61UK;693145 Wrote: 
> I notice that the local radio streams (both AAC and WMA) seem to be
> disturbed by many nasty pops and clicks tonight, but I think that must
> be a BBC problem.

I have also noticed clicking and popping over recent days on Radio 3
WMA stream. The AAC stream does seem to be more reliable.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread BrianG61UK

Incidentally BBC Worldservice WMA stream is not working and has like
this for at least a few days.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread BrianG61UK

mr-b;693144 Wrote: 
> Worse in what way exactly?
> 
> I noted some intermittent glitching on Local stations but apparently
> this is a known issue - it occurs with the BBC's iplayer too:
> http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/announcements/local_radio_audio
> 
> The chap at radiofeeds.co.uk thinks it should be fixed by April -
> apparently the Beeb are waiting for a part ... :rolleyes:

At first I couldn't get anything to work in WMA mode, but see my
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread BrianG61UK

BrianG61UK;693143 Wrote: 
> I seem to find WMA streams worse than before with 1.11.
> 
> Is there any way to go back to previous versions?

Actually after "bedding in" that so often seems to be necessary when
something gets upgraded on my Squeezebox Radio (a process of switching
back and forth between MySq.com and my LMS many times interspersed with
rebooting) WMA streams do seem to be working.

I notice that the local radio streams (both AAC and WMA) seem to be
disturbed by many nasty pops and clicks tonight, but I think that must
be a BBC problem.

The question about going back to previous versions still stands, and
also is there any way I could use a version I modified myself in my SB
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread mr-b

Worse in what way exactly?

I noted some intermittent glitching on Local stations but apparently
this is a known issue - it occurs with the BBC's iplayer too:
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/announcements/local_radio_audio

The chap at radiofeeds.co.uk thinks it should be fixed by April -
apparently the Beeb are waiting for a part ... :rolleyes:


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread BrianG61UK

Triode;693109 Wrote: 
> Looks like the BBC started to use a new asx playlist format for wma
> local radio - this should be fixed in 1.11.  Please update and check it
> works for you.

I seem to find WMA streams worse than before with 1.11.

Is there any way to go back to previous versions?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread Triode

mr-b;693118 Wrote: 
> 
> However it still does beg the question what are the reasons for having
> the option to select between AAC/MP3 and WMA streams?
> I see that in the equivalent BBC iPlayer plugin, there is an order of
> preference e.g. AAC > MP3 > WMA, which seems to me might be more
> resilient to failure (or rather the whims of the BBC admin folks).

Only because iPlayer was rewritten more recently to do this.  The
applet is more restrictive and was written to enable wma mode as
default for radio as it has less resources (AAC originally caused radio
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread mr-b

I tried 1.11 and can confirm that WMA works fine now for BBC local
stations. I noted that 'More Info' only shows "Windows Media" and not
the bit rate (unlike with AAC).

However it still does beg the question what are the reasons for having
the option to select between AAC/MP3 and WMA streams?
I can't see it in the equivalent BBC iPlayer plugin.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread Triode

Looks like the BBC started to use a new asx playlist format for wma
local radio - this should be fixed in 1.11.  Please update and check it
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread mr-b

That was it - thanks!

Why is there a specific setting for the different stream encodings, as
opposed to a failover type feature?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread BrianG61UK

mr-b;693007 Wrote: 
> For some reason all of the BBC Local Radio stations have stopped working
> (Listen Live) when accessed via the BBC Radio app (v1.10).
> 
> The display says "Getting Stream info" and then "Connecting" with an
> radio antenna mast background but nothing happens after that. A restart
> doesn't fix it.
> 
> What's odd is that the national ones still work. Also that the Local
> Radio stations work fine when accessed via either the BBC iPlayer
> server plugin or via Internet Radio search.
> 
> Is there some type of log file that could shed any light on why this
> is?

If you're in WMA stream mode try changing to AAC/MP3 mode (bottom for
first menu in BBC Radio Applet).

The WMA streams for the "lesser" stations mostly don't seem to work any
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread mr-b

I found out how to access the messages log file, so tested out BBC Radio
Solent using all three methods:

BBC Radio app fails :

Code:


  Feb 28 14:41:01 squeezeplay: INFO   squeezeplay.applets - AppletMeta.lua:146 
entering BBCRadio
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:588 
sending play request to SlimServer {server} player LocalPlayer {Squeezebox 
Radio} url 
spdr://bbcmsparser?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iYmMuY28udWsvbWVkaWFzZWxlY3Rvci80L210aXMvc3RyZWFtL2JiY19yYWRpb19zb2xlbnQ=
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - Playback.lua:934 using 
custom handler bbcmsparser
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:606 
url: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/mtis/stream/bbc_radio_solent
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:622 
spdrver: 1
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.SlimMenus - 
SlimMenusApplet.lua:502 _menuSink(1) nil menuDirective: add isCurrentServer:true
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.SlimMenus - 
SlimMenusApplet.lua:802 hiding any 'connecting to server' popup after menu 
response from current server, SlimServer {server}
  Feb 28 14:41:10 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.ChooseMusicSource - 
ChooseMusicSourceApplet.lua:543 Hiding popup, exists?: nil
  Feb 28 14:41:10 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:682 
asx: http://wmlive.bbc.co.uk/wms/england/lrsolent
  Feb 28 14:41:11 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:766 
no media url found
  Feb 28 14:41:01 squeezeplay: INFO   squeezeplay.applets - AppletMeta.lua:146 
entering BBCRadio
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:588 
sending play request to SlimServer {server} player LocalPlayer {Squeezebox 
Radio} url 
spdr://bbcmsparser?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iYmMuY28udWsvbWVkaWFzZWxlY3Rvci80L210aXMvc3RyZWFtL2JiY19yYWRpb19zb2xlbnQ=
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - Playback.lua:934 using 
custom handler bbcmsparser
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:606 
url: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/mtis/stream/bbc_radio_solent
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:622 
spdrver: 1
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.SlimMenus - 
SlimMenusApplet.lua:502 _menuSink(1) nil menuDirective: add isCurrentServer:true
  Feb 28 14:41:09 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.SlimMenus - 
SlimMenusApplet.lua:802 hiding any 'connecting to server' popup after menu 
response from current server, SlimServer {server}
  Feb 28 14:41:10 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.ChooseMusicSource - 
ChooseMusicSourceApplet.lua:543 Hiding popup, exists?: nil
  Feb 28 14:41:10 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:682 
asx: http://wmlive.bbc.co.uk/wms/england/lrsolent
  Feb 28 14:41:11 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.BBCRadio - BBCRadioApplet.lua:766 
no media url found
  Feb 28 14:42:10 squeezeplay: WARN   net.thread - NetworkThread.lua:146 
network thread timeout for Task(SocketHttp {server_Request}(R))
  



Working via BBC iPlayer plugin:

Code:

Feb 28 14:43:10 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.NowPlaying - 
NowPlayingApplet.lua:422 enable volume UI in NP
  Feb 28 14:43:11 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - decode_start_handler:279 
init decoder aac
  Feb 28 14:43:11 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - Playback.lua:476 connect 
213.155.157.126:1935 nil
  Feb 28 14:43:11 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - Playback.lua:479 
swfurl=&app=bGl2ZT9fZmNzX3Zob3N0PWNwODAyMzQubGl2ZS5lZGdlZmNzLm5ldCZhdXRoPWRhRWRBZFpiTmNfYjJiZmRDZFhkV2NpYUpkV2NIYWFjVWJSLWJwdG9GNC1iV0ctSHFtRUpwem9KQ3NIdnpMJmFpZnA9djAwMSZzbGlzdD1scnNvbGVudEAxMzQ5NQ==&subname=bHJzb2xlbnRAMTM0OTU=&live=MQ==&streamname=bHJzb2xlbnRAMTM0OTU/YXV0aD1kYUVkQWRaYk5jX2IyYmZkQ2RYZFdjaWFKZFdjSGFhY1ViUi1icHRvRjQtYldHLUhxbUVKcHpvSkNzSHZ6TCZhaWZwPXYwMDEmc2xpc3Q9bHJzb2xlbnRAMTM0OTUmYWlmcD12MDAx&tcurl=cnRtcDovL2NwODAyMzQubGl2ZS5lZGdlZmNzLm5ldDoxOTM1L2xpdmU/X2Zjc192aG9zdD1j
  Feb 28 14:43:11 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - change_state:91 rtmp 
state: idle -> idle
  Feb 28 14:43:11 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - change_state:91 rtmp 
state: idle -> awaitS0
  Feb 28 14:43:12 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - change_state:91 rtmp 
state: awaitS0 -> awaitS1
  Feb 28 14:43:12 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - change_state:91 rtmp 
state: awaitS1 -> awaitS2
  Feb 28 14:43:12 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - send_rtmp_packet:222 
sending connect packet
  Feb 28 14:43:12 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - change_state:91 rtmp 
state: awaitS2 -> sentConnect
  Feb 28 14:43:12 squeezeplay: INFO   applet.NowPlaying - 
NowPlayingApplet.lua:422 enable volume UI in NP
  Feb 28 14:43:13 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - messageType5:298 message 
type 5 - window ack size: 125 - ignored
  Feb 28 14:43:13 squeezeplay: INFO   audio.decode - messageType6:310 message 
type 6 - set peer BW: 125

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-28 Thread mr-b

For some reason all of the BBC Local Radio stations have stopped working
(Listen Live) when accessed via the BBC Radio app (v1.10).

What's odd is that the national ones still work. Also that the Local
Radio stations work fine when accessed via either the BBC iPlayer
server plugin or via Internet Radio search.

Is there some type of log file that could shed any light on why this
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-20 Thread castalla

The Case of the Elusive Switch to MSB.com Menu Item: 

I also find this item bounces around the Main menu like a rubber ball.

I like to have it at the Top of the menu - on both win7s and a linux
debian server it randomly bounces back to middle of the list when
switching, or it sticks at the top.

there's no pattern to which it will be - top or middle.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-20 Thread toby10

BrianG61UK;691563 Wrote: 
> .
> Also why on earth does "Switch Library" dump you straight into music. I
> generally do not want to be there, I usually want to be in "Music
> Folder" or back at the Home menu.

Again, because this represents the most common usage scenario.  If
someone is switching from MySB to LMS it is more than likely to access
their local music.
This also serves as additional confirmation that the switch has taken
place.

The user is now presented with all menu items within My Music, for you
this means you are one menu press away from what you want, selecting
either Music Folder or the back arrow to the Home menu.  Seems logical
to me.  :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-20 Thread toby10

Because most users simply use My Music to get back to their local LMS
server without needing the Switch Library menu item.

What I think makes more sense is if they would simply make it one menu
item of Switch Server (or Switch Source), this would eliminate all
ambiguity.
When selected, *all* available servers are offered.  For most users
this is simply two options, their local LMS and MySB.com.  
For others running multiple servers it can offer several instances of
local LMS servers, TinySC on the Touch, MySB.com.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-20 Thread BrianG61UK

toby10;691491 Wrote: 
> Adding Switch Library and Switch to MySB to the Home menu is still
> there, I'm sure they have no intention of removing this feature.
> You should also be able to switch to your local server using My Music.

Actually I seem to remember that adding "Switch to MySB" to the Home
menu resulted in the whole menu being randomly reordered every time I
switched.

I personally would prefer it if "My Music" disappeared when I'm
connected to MySB since the other, more useful, "Music Folder" and
"Playlists" vanish, why not "Music" too. It would be more consistent.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread toby10

BrianG61UK;691449 Wrote: 
> .. I think maybe Logitech eventually did remove the option to add it
> to the Home menu..
> 
>  I switch to my server by putting "Switch Library" on the home
> menu.

Adding Switch Library and Switch to MySB to the Home menu is still
there, I'm sure they have no intention of removing this feature.
You should also be able to switch to your local server using My Music.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread mr-b

Ah, so this is the case even if the controller is controlling the
Touch?
It looks like then I'll have to stick with the BBC iplayer plugin for
those devices.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread Triode

mr-b;691452 Wrote: 
> Any ideas why BBC Radio doesn't appear in the App Gallery on my
> Controller?

Because it does not run on a controller/receiver - it is for Radio and
Touch only.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread mr-b

Any ideas why BBC Radio doesn't appear in the App Gallery on my
Controller?

I checked on my Touch's App Gallery and it does appear when I use the
Touch's screen directly, but it never appears when using the
Controller, no matter which player (Touch, Radio, Receiver) it is
controlling. Obviously this presents an issue with the Receiver!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread BrianG61UK

Mnyb;691441 Wrote: 
> Really it would of course disappear when you already are at
> mysqueezebox.com and reappear again when switching back to your local
> server the fastest way to get to the local server from mysqueezebox.com
> is to chose " my music "

It would re-appear in some daft place such as right at the top of the
Home menu.

I think maybe Logitech eventually did remove the option to add it to
the Home menu.

Ideally things should be changed so that you don't need to switch back
and forth so much. The main reason I'm switching back and forth during
the day is because I need to be connected to MySB to add a favorite
which I can later use even if my server is not running and I need to be
connected to my server to play stuff that's on my server.

I switch to my server by putting "Switch Library" on the home menu.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread Mnyb

BrianG61UK;691437 Wrote: 
> 
> Now "Switch to Mysqueezebox.com" - that's an example of something that
> wouldn't stay where I put it, just moving around seemingly at random.
> 
> .

Really it would of course disappear when you already are at
mysqueezebox.com and reappear again when switching back to your local
server the fastest way to get to the local server from mysqueezebox.com
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread toby10

BrianG61UK;691437 Wrote: 
> 
> Now "Switch to Mysqueezebox.com" - that's an example of something that
> wouldn't stay where I put it, just moving around seemingly at random...

Do you mean "Switch to MySB.com" randomly would not appear on the Home
menu at all when it should have been present?
Or that it's location on the Home menu would change, but was present
when expected to be?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread castalla

Yes, Logitech can be frustrating ... but they do have a semblance of
support for users - it may not be brilliant, but at least they do
reply.

Compare that with other internet radio outfits who completely ignore
their users - or worse pass resonsability over to brand names (most of
which don't even exist any more!).

Can't you rollback to the previous version?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread BrianG61UK

Triode;691431 Wrote: 
> The update is intended to make it stably stay in the internet radio
> menu.  Adding to the home menu is not really supported at present.

Until today it seemed to stay put in the Home menu.

Now "Switch to Mysqueezebox.com" - that's an example of something that
wouldn't stay where I put it, just moving around seemingly at random.

Logitech should be designing it so that the option "Add to Home Menu"
only appears when it's appropriate.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread BrianG61UK

castalla;691430 Wrote: 
> It's not a Logitech app ... it's the effort and work of a volunteer
> enthusiast. 
> 
> I'm grateful we even have it at all.  Switch off updates if you don't
> want any upgrades.
> 

Logitech should not be designing their Radio so that the people who
right the applets have to mess around doing undocumented stuff that
might break things in order to work round their [Logitech's]
incompetence.

I want the BBC Radio applet. I figure that the keen enthusiast who
wrote it is more likely to help. Past experience suggests that if I
speak to Logitech about the fact that their Radio can't manage to keep
the app where I want it on the menu system they'll just deny any
responsibility and send me here anyway.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread Triode

BrianG61UK;691427 Wrote: 
> 
> Now I find BBC Radio disappears from my Home menu after I switch
> between my media server and mysqueezebox.com. Sometimes rebooting the
> radio restores it. Trying to re-add it to the home menu is often
> impossible, pressing + simply doing nothing at all rather than putting
> up the usual menu.
> 

The update is intended to make it stably stay in the internet radio
menu.  Adding to the home menu is not really supported at present.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread castalla

It's not a Logitech app ... it's the effort and work of a volunteer
enthusiast. 

I grateful we even have it at all.  Switch off updates if you don't
want any upgrades.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread BrianG61UK

I made the mistake of upgrading to 1.1.10 yesterday.

Now I find BBC Radio disappears from my Home menu after I aswitch
between my media server and mysqueezebox.com. Sometimes rebooting the
radio restores it. Trying to re-add it to the home menu is often
impossible, pressing + sinmply doing nothing at all rather than putting
up the usual menu,

I'm really getting sick of this. Again and again something on my radio
is upgraded, often without my asking, and I have to spend half a day
fiddling around before everything is back working near enough how I
want it working, rebooting both the radio and the server has become a
routine activity necessary every couple of days. Logitech really need
to employ some people who know what they are doing.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-19 Thread mr-b

Tx for that.
The BBC Radio app installs fine on my Radio but it doesn't appear in
the App Gallery on my controller (controlling a Receiver) - even if I
uncheck the 3rd Party Apps "Recommended apps". Any ideas?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-18 Thread Triode

BBCiPlayer and BBC Radio are intended to do the same thing - they just
run in different places.  So if you have a server always on, use
BBCiPlayer if you don't use BBC Radio.

BBC app is logitch's and only has live streams (and depending where you
are possibly not the highest quality ones available)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-18 Thread mr-b

Hi

Is there a handy feature comparison between "BBC iPlayer" LMS plugin vs
BBC Radio App vs mysqueezebox.com "BBC" app?

I know that the mysqueezebox.com "BBC" app doesn't have Listen Again
but I'm not sure if there are any other feature differences between
them all.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-17 Thread Triode

wonder boy;691100 Wrote: 
> Great, but confused. Installed the app which I think is named BBC
> iPlayer by Triode? 
> 
> It now appears in internet radio but not in my apps, though the BBC app
> from mysb.com appears in my apps?!?

The plugin on the server is "BBC iPlayer", this is "BBC Radio" and it
does the same as the plugin but avoids the need of the server so it is
only really intended for us when you don't have a server.  "BBC" is the
Logitech app and does not include any listen again.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-17 Thread wonder boy

Great, but confused. Installed the app which I think is named BBC
iPlayer by Triode? 

It now appears in internet radio but not in my apps, though the BBC app
from mysb.com appears in my apps?!?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-17 Thread Triode

Please try new version 1.10 - this puts BBC Radio in both My Apps and
Internet Radio menus, so hopefully both won't go missing.  

[I supect the issue is due to how the My Apps menu is created - it is
easier for me to add to the Internet Radio menu, the only reason I was
trying to get the entry in the My Apps one is that when people install
from the Apps galery this is where they expect to see it.  Lets try it
with the menu added to both for the moment.]


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-16 Thread Mushroom_3

In answer to your request for feedback Triode, yesterday the BBC Radio
app disappeared from the menu again on my radio. This was after
updating to 1.9 the day before.

A reboot of the radio was required to bring it back. I can live with
this to have such a great app available, but it does seem rather odd
behaviour.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-14 Thread Alan Hudson

I've noticed the app displays the codec but not the bit rate under More
Info.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-14 Thread mikael_b

Triode;690476 Wrote: 
> Can others see if this repeats - I can probably look at this again.

Yes it does, have had to reinstall it two times in the last days on my
Touch, haven't checked my Radios.
And by the way, are there any differences between the BBC Radio and the
BBC iplayer?

Mikael


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-14 Thread wayneBR

Triode, no problems with your app in the USA.  
Thanks for the great app!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-13 Thread Alan Hudson

Sorry to be dumb, but where does the update or the option to update
appear?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-13 Thread Triode

squeeze1234;690440 Wrote: 
> (By the way, I've installed the 1.9 version and it still disappears from
> the apps menu after about a day of use. I have to turn off and turn on
> the radio, and then reinstall it, to get it back.)

Can others see if this repeats - I can probably look at this again.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-13 Thread squeeze1234

I'd tried the original BBC app but uninstalled it after finding out it
could only access the live streams.

I'd been using mysqueezebox.com to install and uninstall apps, but your
new BBC Radio app doesn't appear on there.

On a pure whim yesterday, I happened to use my radio itself to access
the 3rd-party apps list and found the new app. I installed it and was
very pleased to be able to access Friday's version of the
Radio1/Essential Mix and Radio2/Friday Night is Music Night.

Thank you very much for this new version of the BBC app. It's much
appreciated by me.

(By the way, I've installed the 1.9 version and it still disappears
from the apps menu after about a day of use. I have to turn off and
turn on the radio, and then reinstall it, to get it back.)


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[SlimDevices: Radio] BBC Radio app

2012-02-11 Thread Triode

There is a new version of the BBC Radio app (1.9) which should fix a bug
which caused it not to display on the My Apps menu when it is the only
app installed.

The listen live streams should use the latest aac urls that the BBC use
and that people have started to post on this forum.  If you use the
applet this should work with all available BBC streams.  If you find a
problem please post here.

Please note that the Radio 3 HD stream has had some problems recently,
but the standard AAC Radio 3 stream is of equal quality and you should
use this in preference.


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