Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Nothing that uses WMA is perfect. Due to the way MS is licensing this codec, WMA is a mess and to be avoided. IMHO. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Huh? :) I personally have never had any issues with using copy protected WMA or WMV files on any of my devices when I was using Napster. I don't seem to have any issues with Zune either. It actually works pretty darn nice on my mango based phone. So that's news to me. Not sure why I would have to avoid it. pippin;666537 Wrote: Nothing that uses WMA is perfect. Due to the way MS is licensing this codec, WMA is a mess and to be avoided. IMHO. -- mkanet mkanet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7965 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Try any iOS App except for Napster, for example. I assume Napster eats the hefty license fee (or has some gross license anyway). Microsoft's license fees for WMA are ridiculous and al the free codecs (OK, I only know about one anyway) are GPL'ed. WMA _with_ DRM will not even work on your Squeezebox. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Ahhh.. Now it all makes sense. Let's just say I'm definitely not a mac person. pippin;666542 Wrote: Try any iOS App except for Napster, for example. I assume Napster eats the hefty license fee (or has some gross license anyway). Microsoft's license fees for WMA are ridiculous and al the free codecs (OK, I only know about one anyway) are GPL'ed. WMA _with_ DRM will not even work on your Squeezebox. It works pretty darn nice as long as you stay in the (shrinking) Microsoft world and pretty darn not at all everywhere else. -- mkanet mkanet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7965 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
mkanet;666552 Wrote: Ahhh.. Now it all makes sense. Let's just say I'm definitely not a mac person. And probably not a Linux person, too. And not a Squeezebox person, if you have no problem with DRM'ed WMAs. Albeit.. it DOES work on both Mac and Linux PCs (without DRM), it's the embedded variants and especially the commerical ones that cause trouble. Try WMA on Android... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Zune is basically perfect But you are aware of the fact that MS already has announced the end of this service? I'm sorry to spoil your day... -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Well, I thought the plan was not to shut down the zune services, but probably a 'rebranding' since the Zune players have been eol'ed. First step is to migrate the service to the Windows Phone 7.5 App Store, after that integration with Windows App Store (Windows 8). So it depends on the succes of the Nokia/Microsft deal, I guess. -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 1330: new music should work on creation date http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330 Please vote for bug 17205: Artists with accented characters not correctly sorted in pagebar. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17205 verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
I think there may be a lot of confusion between the old failed Zune players and Zune Music Pass / Zune Marketplace which will be integrated into Windows 8; and, already part of Windows phones. I didn't hear any plans to rebrand Zune Music Pass Zune Marketplace. The only news I heard this month is Zune Pass is expanding into Canada mherger;666259 Wrote: Zune is basically perfect But you are aware of the fact that MS already has announced the end of this service? I'm sorry to spoil your day... -- Michael -- mkanet mkanet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7965 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
My Napster subscription membership was recently dumped to Rhapsody. Since Zune offers a super nice user interface, 192kbps WMA files, tight integration to Win8/Mango OS), I switched in a heartbeat. Zune is basically perfect; however, the only thing missing is a Squeezebox Server plugin. Is there a way to playback Zune music channels yet? I'm sure there will be a plugin by the time Win8 is available; with the integration of Zune Marketplace, however, I was hoping to have support for it now. -- mkanet mkanet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7965 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
I too would love to see some sort of Zune Pass integration. Currently I'm using the wavinput plug-in to capture and stream, but it's not super ideal as you need to initiate playback from the PC and you don't get songnames/coverart. As far as I can tell the server needs to be able to read the licences. At the moment only WMP, WMC or the actual Zune software will open the files. -- Mod74 Mod74's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39010 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Mod74;600243 Wrote: As far as I can tell the server needs to be able to read the licences. At the moment only WMP, WMC or the actual Zune software will open the files. With Squeezebox the DRM secret handshakes occur in the player firmware. That's because the server software is open source, but the player firmware is closed. Rhapsody, Napster (and Microsoft and Apple, if it ever came to pass) don't want the secret code out in the open. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
Ahh I see. From trying XBMC and Muso just now they won't play the Zune files either, so it kinda looks like I'm (we are) stuck with one of the MS players and the wavin plug-in for now. Realistically I should just be grateful I've got that option thanks to bpa et al. Would be awesome if the Squeeze developers would be able to include the secret handshake in the firmware, but MS being MS and record companies being record companies it seems unlikely. -- Mod74 Mod74's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39010 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
I'm surprised that some of you do not know how the zune system works. The issue I am concerned about is not purchasing individual songs for $0.99 or whatever. It is the music SUBSCRIPTION service that I need. I pay $14.99 per month and can download or stream (I prefer to download the tracks), and I can access a large amount of music. I know some of you do not like this idea, but please see it from another point of view. For those on a low income, it allows them to have access and experience much more music then they could otherwise. Unlike services like Pandora or Slacker, I can listen to whatever song I want when I want, as long as it is in the library. This way I can still have legal access to music at a cost I can afford. I can't do this with itunes or any other non-drm'd service. -- interspectrum interspectrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
interspectrum;550153 Wrote: I'm surprised that some of you do not know how the zune system works. The issue I am concerned about is not purchasing individual songs for $0.99 or whatever. It is the music SUBSCRIPTION service that I need. I pay $14.99 per month and can download or stream (I prefer to download the tracks), and I can access a large amount of music. I know some of you do not like this idea, but please see it from another point of view. For those on a low income, it allows them to have access and experience much more music then they could otherwise. Unlike services like Pandora or Slacker, I can listen to whatever song I want when I want, as long as it is in the library. This way I can still have legal access to music at a cost I can afford. I can't do this with itunes or any other non-drm'd service. Ah! You're looking for Logitech to have an App similar to the App they have for Rhapsody. I doubt that Microsoft would agree to this as it would cut into their profits on sales of the zune, but who knows, maybe they would agree to something like this. Well, and option (but not a good one, as it is another $10/mo subscription) is to take a look at Rhapsody: http://www.rhapsody.com/-discover -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
interspectrum;550153 Wrote: I'm surprised that some of you do not know how the zune system works. No, we know precisely how Zune works, which is why we (and many others based on Zune's low market share) avoid it. ;) I use Napster at $5 per month which has a much larger library than Zune and includes five song purchase downloads per month. All purchased and included free song downloads are 256k and DRM free. The subscription portion of such services, including Napster and Zune, will include DRM as you are not purchasing the song, just renting it per se from their library. I have nothing against MicroSoft, I've only ever used Windows OS's. But their management and restrictive policies of their music service is horrible in comparison to other services out there that specialize in music services and music downloads. Just as I like some Sony products. But I'd never get wrangled into their restrictive Sonic Stage music services and player preventing me from using my legally purchased music on any non-Sony hardware or software. :) You can always file an enhancement request here to add Zune Music Services. But as they are such a small segment, not well thought of in streaming circles, and are up against much better services like Rhapsody and Napster and Deezer (already well embedded in SqueezeBox service offerings) that it would likely not make sense for Logitech to fork over licensing payments to MicroSoft for the very few users that would choose Zune over the real players in the market. ;) And this assumes MicroSoft would even allow such licensing, at all. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
interspectrum Wrote: The average consumer does not care about your religious wars. They just want their product to work with what ever content they might have. The free software folks love to say that information wants to be free. I say, content just wants to be played. Obviously not. But the average Squeezebox customer also doesn't use zune, but they would still have to PAY for the few ones who do if Logitech chose to pay royalties to MS for it. There's no free lunch, after all. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
DRM has to be supported in the player firmware. In case of the the players based on the ip3k chips the point is moot as they can not accomodate any moore big changes even if logitech wanted (similar things have been discussed in the past ) They can't even bring AAC to these players, they are full . And the latest development is that they don't develop new functions for this platform anymoore anyway, but in this case I think it is unfeasible for technical reasons. ip3k based players SB2 ,SB3 (aka SB classic) Transporter ,Boom , Receiver part of the duet . That leaves Touch and Radio as possible candidates, this would then be a business decision of some kind ? Practical solutions . The wave input plugin for squeezeboxserver ? you can then play the files in WMP and then let the wave input plugin capture the audio ? Can you wash these files in some way ? maybe the tedious way of burning CD's and then rip them, you can reuse an rw disc for it maybe.. download music you already paid for as backup copy .Microsoft has historically abandoned other drm schemes leaving their customers in the cold with useless files. Using this kind of service is more like renting a movie than buying music . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
roadbuzz;522125 Wrote: Like accessing and playing music and podcasts from your iTunes library? As has been suggested already, you can do this now! Point Squeeze Server to *any* music on your computer or HDD or NAS and your SB player will play it. So just point Squeeze Server to your Zune library. The only restrictions are those imposed by the source of the music files, in this case Zune. If your purchased Zune music files are DRM infected then you need to contact Zune and ask them why you cannot play your purchased Zune music on non-Zune players. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
KTMCDO;521988 Wrote: how about some kind of support for the zune and the zune marketplace What form of support would that be? It sounds like asking Toyota to support Trek bicycles. And a bike rack would be analogous to the 3.5mm cable that iPhone mentioned. That's about as far as it goes. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
a wat to import your zune music collection to the radio -- KTMCDO KTMCDO's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36657 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
KTMCDO;522085 Wrote: a method to import your zune music collection to the radio Are these WMA files? Do they have DRM (digital rights management)? If they don't have DRM then you can import and play. Just as with Apple and ITUNES. Older itunes purchases that have DRM do NOT work in Squeezeboxes. The DRM issues are on the APPLE and MICROSOFT end. Logitech has no control over this. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
KTMCDO;522085 Wrote: a method to import your zune music collection to the radio The SB Radio doesn't hold any music, the SB Server does. So as long as the files don't have DRM protection, just transfer/copy/import them to your computer and put them with the rest of your music library. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] zune
aubuti;522077 Wrote: What form of support would that be? Like accessing and playing music and podcasts from your iTunes library? -- roadbuzz roadbuzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75848 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
