Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-17 Thread ftlight

adamslim;576856 Wrote: 
 So do I, which makes it all the more annoying.  It always uses the
 fallback alarm instead of Radio 4, I stop the alarm, press preset 4,
 and Radio 4 always starts.  Always.  My internet, wifi and SBServer are
 absolutely rock solid - everything has been up for over a month, 100%
 uptime (since I last rebooted due to updates).  The Touch, Booms and
 SB3 always work, as does the Xtreamer for streaming video, and it acts
 as a file server perfectly.  It really is just the Radio.

I've had exactly the same problem on my Radio for the last couple of
weeks (running SBS latest 7.6 nightly), but with WNYC as my stream.

Bill


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-17 Thread bpa

I think there is a general SBS problem about using BBC iPlayer favorites
as alarm.  If you want to play a BBC stations as an alarm - I think you
should use the WMA stream from BBC App.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-17 Thread wonder boy

bpa;577208 Wrote: 
 I think there is a general SBS problem about using BBC iPlayer favorites
 as alarm for any player.  If you want to play a BBC stations as an alarm
 - I think you should use the WMA stream from BBC App.

Nice idea but makes no difference.

This really is a great big piece of crap, alarm sometimes works
sometimes doesn't whether via SBS or not.

But now no radio stream will play as it comes up with the blurb
'connection reset by local host etc'

Yet boom in same room plays the same stream faultlessly in an
instant!!

Time for a refund I think


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-16 Thread adamslim

iPhone;576737 Wrote: 
 As for the SB Radio and Boom as alarms, my better half and I are not
 having any issues. Of course, I run an SBS dedicated 24/7 Music Server.

So do I, which makes it all the more annoying.  It always uses the
fallback alarm instead of Radio 4, I stop the alarm, press preset 4,
and Radio 4 always starts.  Always.  My internet, wifi and SBServer are
absolutely rock solid - everything has been up for over a month, 100%
uptime (since I last rebooted due to updates).  The Touch, Booms and
SB3 always work, as does the Xtreamer for streaming video, and it acts
as a file server perfectly.  It really is just the Radio.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-16 Thread bluegaspode

adamslim;576856 Wrote: 
 So do I, which makes it all the more annoying.  It always uses the
 fallback alarm instead of Radio 4, I stop the alarm, press preset 4,
 and Radio 4 always starts.  Always. 

I know you don't like SSH'ing into your Radio but that behaviour sounds
really strange when you have your dedicated server.
If you use a tool like WinSCP you can connect to your Radio and
download the /var/log/messages files.
Best to do it, after a fallback alarm sounded. If you post the log here
we can look into it and maybe give you an indication about what the
issue could be.
The alarm code has quite a lot good logging so we might spot something.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-16 Thread bpa

adamslim;576856 Wrote: 
 It always uses the fallback alarm instead of Radio 4, I stop the alarm,
 press preset 4, and Radio 4 always starts.  Always. 

It would be helpful if you could provide more detail on which R4 source
you are using to either eliminate or confirm a plugin/applet as a
contributing factor. 
* BBC iPlayer R4 AAC or WMA
* BBC App R4 
* BBC Applet R4 - AAC or WMA

Depending on the source and format there is a different amount of
processing either in local SBS or in the radio.

Doe this alarm problem happen with other WMA streams ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-16 Thread adamslim

bpa;576868 Wrote: 
 It would be helpful if you could provide more detail on which R4 source
 you are using to either eliminate or confirm a plugin/applet as a
 contributing factor. 
 * BBC iPlayer R4 AAC or WMA
 * BBC App R4 
 * BBC Applet R4 - AAC or WMA
 
 Depending on the source and format there is a different amount of
 processing either in local SBS or in the radio.
 
 Doe this alarm problem happen with other WMA streams ?

I use the iPlayer plug-in, have it set to a favourite and use that. 
Not tried it with any other streams.

I'll do some diagnosis, pull out some logs and start a new thread about
it in due course.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-15 Thread adamslim

wonder boy;576688 Wrote: 
 What I don't understand is why did things work perfectly with my boom
 but when I ask the radio to do the same it fails at a first try.

I also do not understand.  I'd be much happier with a Boom with one
speaker cut off.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-15 Thread wonder boy

Radio did a software update when I connected, will check for firmware
version tonight also...Boom to big to fit on bedside table!!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-15 Thread 0xdeadbeef

The radio also stops randomly without backup alarm. Even the euphemistic
release note of the last software update said that the random stopping
was just reduced, not fixed. Indeed this doesn't say much anyway, as
before the last update, the alarm didn't work at all in 9 of 10 cases.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-15 Thread Phil Leigh

0xdeadbeef;576733 Wrote: 
 The radio also stops randomly without backup alarm. Even the euphemistic
 release note of the last software update said that the random stopping
 was just reduced, not fixed. Indeed this doesn't say much anyway, as
 before the last update, the alarm didn't work at all in 9 of 10 cases.

A while ago, out of curiousity, I set my radio to use mysb.com instead
of my PC server.

So far for the last 8 days it has managed to turn on BBC Radio 4 at the
correct alarm time each day with no backup alarm kicking-in. 

I'll leave it this way for a few weeks to see if anything odd happens.

However, even on this limited trial it seems that the Radio does indeed
work properly with MYSB.com, provided you have a good internet
connection, a reliable radio station and a solid internal network
(wi-fi in the case of my Radio).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed

2010-09-15 Thread 0xdeadbeef

Yeah, yeah, user's fault. Sure.
I have a rock solid 25MBit/s internet connection that has no issues
streaming HD-IPTV video streams. All of my other devices WLAN or not,
work flawlessly, just the radio is not able to work reliably. So yeah,
it must be my setup. For sure my 100% stable internet connection is to
blame that the Radio is so buggy that even switching it off doesn't
work. Very plausible.
And no, there weren't dozens, if not hundreds of bug reports regarding
alarm reliability, all merged or claimed to be either duplicates of
unrelated issues or set to resolved without being fixed. Guess this
great reliability is also the reason for all the overwhelming reviews
on Amazon.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-30 Thread Aslak3

kmr;500240 Wrote: 
 YMMV.  My Radio is about 3 feet from my face when I'm in bed, and its
 time display is significantly larger than the Sony CD clock radio it
 replaced.  My only gripe is that the auto-dim gets a little too dim. 
 And I think you're dismissing the battery option way too lightly.  The
 Radio is way too nifty a device to be relegated to use as merely a fancy
 alarm clock; the battery will liberate it from the bedside, giving it
 instant drag-it-around-the-house portability and enabling us to enjoy it
 throughout the day.

The standard digital clock is very readable and has bigger numbers then
the usual 7 segment LED.  I think it's pretty readable, and my eyesight
is poor.  The analog clock, however, could be made less fancy and more
bold (with option of a second hand!)  The autodim is indeed slightly too
dim; it would be nice to have a minimum brightness option.

I think the lack of backlit buttons is the Radios major flaw but I
cannot speak for the alarm functionality or software problems as I've
not yet encountered any, other then the issue with cross-fade.

Agree with what someone said about Facebook - it's blatant nonsense to
appeal to the masses.  You can't really blame em for that tho.  I just
ignore it.

Lawrence


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-30 Thread snarlydwarf

jrebeiro;500440 Wrote: 
 
 I also tracked down the random reboot issue to a problem with AAC
 encoded files. When I reencoded the tracks to MP3 they played without
 rebooting the device.

You should submit that as a bug and attach one of the
this-makes-my-radio-crash files to it.  Sounds like some bug in the
decoder or possibly the encoder ... since AAC playback is moving to the
players, it is important for it to be robust.  [I say it could be an
encoder bug because I know of at least one buggy FLAC encoder that would
not only crash SB's, but also confused the heck out of the official flac
decoder...  someone got tricky in their code and was emitting bad
data.]

 
 Regardless of my decision to keep the Radio or not, the decision to
 omit backlit buttons was a mistake on Logitech's part. For those who
 don't like the lights, a setting could be made to turn them off. If cost
 was an issue, I highly doubt a $209 MSRP price point would deter
 potential buyers. Most retailers are selling the device for $149 anyway
 so I doubt the price would really increase.

Yes, a backlight could probably be done for the cost of adding an LED
either letting the gaps around buttons leak light for side illumination
and/or having a transparent part of the button.  Not a huge engineering
change, but these days any change gets spendy.  (Ah, the olden days of
'Engineering Change Orders' that specified running wire from one spot on
a PCB to another... and socketed chips...)

But I still love my Radio... the form factor and sound are just too
nice to let go of despite well it could be better.. things.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread jrebeiro

I am using Squuezebox Server Version: 7.4.1 - r28947 @ Tue Oct 20
07:58:02 PDT 2009

Your plugin sounds like just the trick I was looking for. My basic
usage of the sleep timer is to load up a random song in my Pzizz Sleep
album then set the sleep timer to end of song. If the plugin can do
exactly that then I am sold!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread toby10

ModelCitizen;40 Wrote: 
 
 However, the reason I've given up using my radio as my bedroom alarm
 clock and stuck the too-large Boom back on my small bedside table is
 that the radio screen is too bright to sleep next too and (unlike the
 Boom) it is not possible to reduce its minimum brightness...

I agree wholeheartedly on the lack of backlit buttons.
I don't use my Radio next to my bed nor do I use the Alarm function.

But... I wonder if a future tweak to the Brightness behavior (Logitech
or third party) could help solve or greatly minimize both issues of
Brightness and no backlit buttons.

Starting with more user Brightness control (min, max, etc...) per state
of the player, like is offered on Boom and SB3 where you have separate
Brightness control settings for On, Idle, Off.

Then, to make the Radio buttons more visible, add a temporary and timed
Brightness setting.
Example 1:  In idle (very dim screen, clock showing, alarm set) a knob
turn would set the screen Brightness to high for 10 seconds, helping to
illuminate the front buttons.
Example 2:  Alarm Brightness setting, when Alarm sounds the screen goes
full bright, again making the controls for Snooze or Alarm Off more
visible.

Or is even full screen Brightness not enough to help with night time
button navigation?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread sander

ModelCitizen;40 Wrote: 
 However, the reason I've given up using my radio as my bedroom alarm
 clock and stuck the too-large Boom back on my small bedside table is
 that the radio screen is too bright to sleep next too and (unlike the
 Boom) it is not possible to reduce its minimum brightness.
 
 It's a real shame, the Radio is so nearly brilliant, but for me the
 stupid (and totally unnecessary) flaws make it impractical for use. I
 have trouble understanding how it could have been released with what
 appear to be very damaging but easily solvable software flaws (backlit
 buttons excepting, obviously). There must something quite awry with
 Logitech management that really needs sorting out if this product line
 is to continue with any success.

To me it boils down to the fact that as good as the underlying
technology is, the overall worth of the Squeeze tech is tied to the
plugins and support of third party developers. All of the cool new
devices that have come out since the SB3 have all had major oversights
which should have been addressed. 

Unfortunately the developer supports seems to be falling off, and I'm
skeptical it will come back unless the pace of change slows down and
there's more openness, at least that's what I've seen as non-developer.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread sander

snarlydwarf;500190 Wrote: 
 I don't see what that has to do with a backlit LCD display vs a VFD
 display which is what ModelCitizen was citing.

I meant that add-on developers have found ways to work around problems
like this in the past. They obviously can't overcome oversights in the
hardware, but a number of plugins like auto-dim over come limitations
like the blacking out the boom, which I use. 

When I mentioned this in another thread before the developer of the
awesome auto-dim mentioned he would have to write a Squeezeplay applet
to make the radio dim. Maybe the bug MC mentions prevents him from doing
that I don't know.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread peterw

sander;500209 Wrote: 
 
 When I mentioned this in another thread before the developer of the
 awesome auto-dim mentioned he would have to write a Squeezeplay applet
 to make the radio dim. Maybe the bug MC mentions prevents him from doing
 that I don't know.

I think you may be talking about me, but I'm merely an AutoDim user who
turned into a de facto maintainer because I couldn't live without it --
AutoDim has had a number of maintainers over the years, and is a success
story for Free Software licensing (and a reason why Logitech needs to
address bug 14194). That said, there's another bug that's actually more
relevant to AutoDim on Radio (and Touch) -- number '11442'
(https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11442). Unfortunately many
of the settings for Controller, Radio, and Touch exist only on the
Squeezebox itself. If the brightness and screensaver settings for Radio
were available in Squeezebox Server, it would probably be pretty easy to
adapt AutoDim for Radio and Touch -- at least for those of us running
Squeezebox Server. Bug 14194 is more of an impediment for
MySqueezebox.com users, and other things that some of us developers
would like to do.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread JJZolx

Ok, so you've listed at least half a dozen reasons why the Radio is
inferior to the Boom.  So why switch?  IMO the Boom makes a much better
clock-radio replacement.  The Radio was designed and produced to be sold
at a lower price point.  Other than the color screen (which, IMO, is
much too small for any kind of clock) and maybe the dedicated volume
knob, there's nothing that could be called an improvement over the Boom.
The battery option makes it more portable than the Boom, but doesn't
even come into play for a bedside radio.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-29 Thread kmr

JJZolx;500238 Wrote: 
 Other than the color screen (which, IMO, is much too small for any kind
 of clock) and maybe the dedicated volume knob, there's nothing that
 could be called an improvement over the Boom.  The battery option makes
 it more portable than the Boom, but doesn't even come into play for a
 bedside radio.

YMMV.  My Radio is about 3 feet from my face when I'm in bed, and its
time display is significantly larger than the Sony CD clock radio it
replaced.  My only gripe is that the auto-dim gets a little too dim. 
And I think you're dismissing the battery option way too lightly.  The
Radio is way too nifty a device to be relegated to use as merely a fancy
alarm clock; the battery will liberate it from the bedside, giving it
instant drag-it-around-the-house portability and enabling us to enjoy it
throughout the day.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-26 Thread toby10

-  Radio alarm functionality is being worked, stay tuned
-  correct, no backlit buttons on Radio
-  no tone controls (bass, treble) on Radio
-  reboots:  Radio requires SqueezeBox Server v7.4. Are you running
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Disappointed by Boom to Radio switch

2009-12-26 Thread peterw

jrebeiro;499098 Wrote: 
 
 The sleep timer is not intuitive at all. It's well hidden in the
 settings. Even adding it directly to the home screen is still not as
 easy as the Boom. It should really be placed either in the popup you get
 when pushing the knob in the Now Playing screen or should be the default
 action for long pressing the Alarm button since there is no physical
 snooze/sleep button like there is on the Boom..

If you use Squeezebox Server, you can remap one of the 6 numbered
buttons with my KidsPlay plugin. You'd use a macro like *button sleep*
if you want to cycle through the various normal sleep times (end of
song, 15m, 30m, etc.).

You can also make the button do more complex things like start a
certain playlist at a certain volume and then start the sleep timer:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=441521postcount=9


-- 
peterw

http://www.tux.org/~peterw/
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(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay'
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(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu'
(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'FuzzyTime'
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'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html)
'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html)
'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html)
'PowerCenter/BottleRocket'
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'SettingsManager'
(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade'
(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst'
(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions'
(http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock'
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