Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
All fixed apparently - thanks Ben == Auto-comment from SVN commit #8312 to the jive repo by bklaas == == https://svn.slimdevices.com/jive?view=revisionrevision=8312 == Bug: 14870 Fixed Bug: 15457 Description: first checkin of merged code that includes Marc's code to defensively fire the fallback when things go bad and many other changes made by me -- include a sending of a WOL packet 10 mins before next configured alarm -- alarm window now has an EVENT_WINDOW_POP listener that resets the self.alarmInProgress value when the window hides. This effectively ties resetting of state variables to the popup window while allowing events to bubble up the event handler (i.e., return EVENT_UNUSED on callback actions) -- for now the sledgehammer method is only called by the decodePollTimer and not by the misc notification methods. My hope is that's what we can eventually settle on. -- miniwaites miniwaites's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11895 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
Does anybody know how would I apply this fix? -- miniwaites miniwaites's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11895 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
You should wait a day in the hope that the Firmware is confirmed and available for download. Then you just need to install the 7.4 -nightly and your radio will update soon after that. As more then one class currently is involved in the change, I guess it doesn't make sense to try yourself get the right sources from SVN. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
miniwaites;505302 Wrote: However this isn't the problem I'm having in that all I need is for the WOL command to be sent slightly before the alarm is due to go off. Which really doesn't sound like it should be much of a problem no? And really should be how it already works - as there's no need to have a computer running 24/7 just to drive an alarm clock. I'll file and enhancement request. On the boom the WOL is sent 10 minutes before the alarm goes off, I use a boom and actually boot my server with wol every morning (not hibernate or suspend). Only disadvantage is that I have to enjoy the backup tone every time there is scheduled disk check. My server is not powerful enough to check my 1TB musik drive with 600GB of files in 10 minutes . -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
I have filed a bug to get the WOL command sent before the alarm - if you are affected by the problem please vote https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15457 ta -- miniwaites miniwaites's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11895 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
miniwaites;505312 Wrote: I have filed a bug to get the WOL command sent before the alarm - if you are affected by the problem please vote https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15457 ta Good move . But I'm thinking here, I'm not using windows but have it not been some old problems with XP that it falls back into hibernation after 2 minutes ? If nothing happens after it's woken up ? There are lot of settings re hibernation, sleep and whatnot in computers WOL can be problematic to get to work as one wants to. -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
I'm no expert but the WOL does work - it's just that this fall back music happens before the WOL has had a chance to work. Even if there is a problem as you suggest then wouldn't it be sensible to have some kind of basic invisible activity between server and the radio to ensure that the server doesn't fall back to sleep? -- miniwaites miniwaites's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11895 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
miniwaites;505350 Wrote: I'm no expert but the WOL does work - it's just that this fall back music happens before the WOL has had a chance to work. Even if there is a problem as you suggest then wouldn't it be sensible to have some kind of basic invisible activity between server and the radio to ensure that the server doesn't fall back to sleep? Yes, and wol 10 min before alarm ensure that even the slowest servers will boot on time. I'll vote on that bug. -- Mnyb Main hifi: SB3 (soon to replaced by a Touch :) It is on preorder) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Receiver (soon to be replaced by my SB3 and the SBRto be stuffed in a box in the attic ) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to controll this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
bluegaspode;504490 Wrote: Maybe this should be checked again, when work on the alarm is done. 1 -2 seconds shouldn't make the fallback alarm go off - it should wait at least 9 seconds before the fallback code triggerts I've suspected it starts to play the current playlist with the last used volume when the device is turned on before the alarm handling kicks in and changes the playlist and lowers the volume. However, I haven't investigated it in detail. It only happens sometimes for me, sometimes the volume ramp-up works correctly. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
Many thanks to Bluegaspode for his comments: You hear the 'fallback' alarm which means your server is not ready yet to send the alarm-signal and play the proper stream. This fallback alarm currently doesn't fade in. The fallback alarm, very loud, very repetitive, is nothing I recognise - I assume it is an item from the inbuilt sounds library. Might I at least change it for another more gentle sound? Since this sound is not on any playlist, and is played at max volume, I think the problem noted by Miniwaites and myself is different from that described by Erland, who commented: I've suspected it starts to play the current playlist with the last used volume when the device is turned on before the alarm handling kicks in and changes the playlist and lowers the volume. ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
erland;504507 Wrote: I've suspected it starts to play the current playlist with the last used volume when the device is turned on before the alarm handling kicks in and changes the playlist and lowers the volume. Is this a setting ? When I play a stream and turn the radio off the stream is stopped. If I turn the radio on, the stream is still stopped. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
I think Erland's and Stefan's comments are both probably important (Peter's as well, in pointing out to distinct issues in terms of the fallback alarm versus some earlier stream playing for a bit). I'd suggest doing a small bit of testing with the following in mind: You're playing stream 1 at some point in time and then think you've stopped it. It could be that when you think you've 'stopped' it that you really haven't, since hitting the pause button actually 'pauses' the stream. If the stream is then sitting there paused for hours prior to the alarm going off then there will be no surprise if you hear it again briefly when the 'server' alarm goes off (and maybe even if a fallback alarm fires, since it could be that encoded audio from the earlier stream has already made it to the Radio cache before you paused it OR that decoded audio - PCM samples - are themselves still waiting in the Radio cache from earlier). The reason you may hear the earlier stream briefly is due to how the notification system works. If a playerModeChange notification is delivered to some listening applet (or perhaps even just SqueezeOS directly determines the transition has occurred) which then decides that means to turn the local audio playout back on then voila... you are left with the previously played stream audio which was previously in paused state. playerModeChange notifications (along with several other similar type notifications) DO occur during the alarm process... So, see if a previously stopped (not paused) stream, as Stefan mentioned, manifests the issue when a later alarm is fired then retest with the played stream being paused (not stopped) prior to the later alarm firing... I would not be at all surprised if you hear just the alarm audio after the prior stream was stopped, but the brief earlier stream first if it was paused... Of course, if the earlier stream continues to be briefly heard prior to the requested alarm audio even after the earlier stream was explicitly stopped (not paused) then the problem is likely that either the cache/prefetch audio buffer at the server or the Radio is not being properly flushed after a stop operation. Either way, any existing audio (whether earlier paused or stopped) should, in my view, be flushed out of the playout pipeline when an alarm fires... Not so easy to do in the current context of how alarms work though... Marc -- Marc Marc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34776 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
bluegaspode;504561 Wrote: Is this a setting ? When I play a stream and turn the radio off the stream is stopped. If I turn the radio on, the stream is still stopped. There is the player settings in the web ui called Power On Resume, but I have it set to Pause at power off / Remain paused at power on so I don't think this is it. I'll do some experimentation to see if I'm able to reproduce it. I know I've also sometimes had clock synchronization problems on the server (running in a virtual machine), so that might also cause problems. It should also be said that I'm only using locally stored music, no internet radio. My server is running 24/7. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
Marc;504577 Wrote: I think Erland's and Stefan's comments are both probably important (Peter's as well, in pointing out to distinct issues in terms of the fallback alarm versus some earlier stream playing for a bit). I did some more testing regarding this and I think my problem is the volume ramp-up and not what's actually played. I've probably just been sleepy when a alarm has fired earlier thinking that there was some audio left in some buffer. Anyway, this is what happens: 1. I have the alarms configured to ramp up the volume with the Fade Alarms In setting. 2. I've paused the player, not stopped it. 3. When the alarm is fired it correctly selects the chosen playlist 4. It starts to play the music with high volume, I think it's the volume according to the alarm volume setting 5. After a half second it changes the volume to just above 0 6. It correctly ramps up the volume slowly until it reaches the alarm volume setting. The problem is step 4 which causes me to wake up immediately instead of through slowly ramped up music. It feels like step 4 and 5 should happen in the opposite order so the volume is lowered before the stream actually starts to play. If the player is stopped (not just paused) before the alarm sequence it works correctly. Also the problem is not what's in the buffer because it plays the correct track at step 4, it's just that the volume is too high at that moment. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
erland;504635 Wrote: I did some more testing regarding this and I think my problem is the volume ramp-up and not what's actually played. I've probably just been sleepy when a alarm has fired earlier thinking that there was some audio left in some buffer. Anyway, this is what happens: 1. I have the alarms configured to ramp up the volume with the Fade Alarms In setting. 2. I've paused the player, not stopped it. 3. When the alarm is fired it correctly selects the chosen playlist 4. It starts to play the music with high volume, I think it's the volume according to the alarm volume setting 5. After a half second it changes the volume to just above 0 6. It correctly ramps up the volume slowly until it reaches the alarm volume setting. The problem is step 4 which causes me to wake up immediately instead of through slowly ramped up music. It feels like step 4 and 5 should happen in the opposite order so the volume is lowered before the stream actually starts to play. If the player is stopped (not just paused) before the alarm sequence it works correctly. Also the problem is not what's in the buffer because it plays the correct track at step 4, it's just that the volume is too high at that moment. Makes sense. I think if you watch the log you will see in this case a playerModeChange or playerLoaded or playerCurrent or similar notification coming from SqueezeOS that is causing the audio subsystem to be prematurely transitioned to actually play out audio prior to when the volume is adjusted just above 0. Then again, you'll only see the notification occur if an applet or SqueezeOS is logging it. I know the new AlarmSnooze applet spits out these events, but I'm not sure they are otherwise logged... -- Marc Marc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34776 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
miniwaites;504176 Wrote: Hello All, I wondered if anyone else has experienced this - my alarm is set to go off at 7.40, but at that time it starts playing some music (which I cannot identify) at a volume louder then either the Radio or the alarm is set at. I turn this off and shortly after the actual alarm playlist will start. The Radio is connected wirelessly to a computer which sleeps during the night. There is another identical alarm set for 20 minutes later (which I use as snooze) which works perfectly. I'm on 7.4.2. Could it be that it plays this music as it can't access the correct playlist while the computer wakes up (this only takes a second or 2)? Even if that is the case why is it so loud? And where has that music comes from? I'm getting into trouble with the missus for the suddenly very loud awakenings! thanks for the loudness issue, select fade in alarm on squeezebox server alarm settings (its not a choice on the radio itself). Can't help you as to why you get 2 alarm sounds though. Also, different internet stations play at different levels (at the same volume setting on the radio) -- not to mention your own local music files will play at different levels. -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
Thanks for the reply. Fade in is set and it's not playing an internet radio station or (as far as I'm aware) my own music. For clarification although I admit it must be related to the alarm I dont think its anything I have set in the alarm. I have deleted it and moved the second identical alarm to be the 7.40 then recreated the later alarm. And again the first alarm has this same music before it - the second alarm (with exactly the same settings including the playlist) is fine. -- miniwaites miniwaites's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11895 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
Miniwaites wrote I wondered if anyone else has experienced this - my alarm is set to go off at 7.40, but at that time it starts playing some music (which I cannot identify) at a volume louder then either the Radio or the alarm is set at. I turn this off and shortly after the actual alarm playlist will start. I have exactly the same problem (with possibly the same cause, PC slow to wake up). At the time the Alarm is set for, it turns on at FULL VOLUME playing a repeating small-band riff. After 5-10 secs that cuts out, then slowly out of the silence (as configured) my chosen radio station comes in up to the preset volume level. It's a brutal way to wake me up! The Radio is connected wirelessly to a computer which sleeps during the night. There is another identical alarm set for 20 minutes later (which I use as snooze) which works perfectly. I'm on 7.4.2. Could it be that it plays this music as it can't access the correct playlist while the computer wakes up (this only takes a second or 2)? Even if that is the case why is it so loud? And where has that music comes from? I'm getting into trouble with the missus for the suddenly very loud awakenings! ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
I'm sorry about the brutal wakings - but happy to hear that someone else has the same problem! I assume that it can easily be fixed then by making the radio send the WOL command a bit further before the alarm? -- miniwaites miniwaites's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11895 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
Your are seeing http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14870#c23 scenario #1 (the first half). You hear the 'fallback' alarm which means your server is not ready yet to send the alarm-signal and play the proper stream. This fallback alarm currently doesn't fade in (and I think this will have low priority given all the other current problems). Note that I find it very dangerous to make the server sleep. If your server doesn't wake up at all only your first alarm will sound, the second won't go off at all. Solving it won't be easy, as in the SqueezeboxWorld the server remembers and fires all alarm while the devices just remember the first alarm for fallback. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
bluegaspode;504314 Wrote: Your are seeing [url] Note that I find it very dangerous to make the server sleep. If your server doesn't wake up at all only your first alarm will sound, the second won't go off at all. Exactly. I have only my monitor screen sleep. Not my computer. Its on 24/7. I suggest all others do the same -- it avoids most problems. -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Music before Alarm
I've seen the same problem on my Radio and my SBS is powered on 24/7. Takes a second or two for the real alarm based on Dynamic Playlist plugin playlist to be activated and then the volume is lowered and the correct music played. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73708 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
