[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Bleriot and Quickbeam

[Esteban]

Dude, if I was a size 56, I would buy both bikes, quit my job, and
ride all day and night.  What great bikes, seriously!

On Jan 8, 9:24 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> You have no idea how tempted I am (as Jon knows!).
>
> On Jan 8, 9:23 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> > Good luck - both great bikes.  I have to admit, when I saw the
> > Hillborne with paint, I took a glance at my Quickbeam and had an
> > impure thought about selling it.  I'm not suggesting that this is your
> > motive, but your post just made me think about it.
>
> > Someone your size is in for a treat!  The Quickbeam in partiuclar is a
> > gem!
>
> > On Jan 8, 1:00 pm, Jon Kaplan  wrote:
>
> > > I'm trying to "thin the herd" and clear out some garage space. I'm
> > > selling the following bicycles:
>
> > > 57cm Rivendell Bleriot. Mint condition. Paul Racer Centerpull brakes,
> > > Front Velocity wheel with Shimano Dyno Hub, Busch & Mueller front/rear
> > > lighting system, Nitto Rear Rack, Brooks B17 Black, Noodle Bars, bar
> > > end shifters, Rear Deore XT, 48-38-28 cranks, optional matching
> > > Carradice Black Boxy Back with Nitto Rack, Honjo fenders with matching
> > > pinstripe. Tires are Col De La Vie. It's a gorgeous bike, but I have a
> > > Rambo and a LHT.  $1500 plus shipping.
>
> > > 56cm Orange Quickbeam with Noodle Bars, Phil Wood hubs front and rear,
> > > White Industries Trials freewheel and white industries regular wheel
> > > on the flip side, Tubus rear rack, Nitto front little rack with Nigel
> > > Symthe little loafer. Honey B17 Saddle,   $1250. plus shipping. This
> > > bike has a few nicks that have been touched up with orange (not quite
> > > matching paint), but no dents or significant scratches.- Hide quoted text 
> > > -
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Bleriot and Quickbeam

[rcnute]

You have no idea how tempted I am (as Jon knows!).

On Jan 8, 9:23 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> Good luck - both great bikes.  I have to admit, when I saw the
> Hillborne with paint, I took a glance at my Quickbeam and had an
> impure thought about selling it.  I'm not suggesting that this is your
> motive, but your post just made me think about it.
>
> Someone your size is in for a treat!  The Quickbeam in partiuclar is a
> gem!
>
> On Jan 8, 1:00 pm, Jon Kaplan  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm trying to "thin the herd" and clear out some garage space. I'm
> > selling the following bicycles:
>
> > 57cm Rivendell Bleriot. Mint condition. Paul Racer Centerpull brakes,
> > Front Velocity wheel with Shimano Dyno Hub, Busch & Mueller front/rear
> > lighting system, Nitto Rear Rack, Brooks B17 Black, Noodle Bars, bar
> > end shifters, Rear Deore XT, 48-38-28 cranks, optional matching
> > Carradice Black Boxy Back with Nitto Rack, Honjo fenders with matching
> > pinstripe. Tires are Col De La Vie. It's a gorgeous bike, but I have a
> > Rambo and a LHT.  $1500 plus shipping.
>
> > 56cm Orange Quickbeam with Noodle Bars, Phil Wood hubs front and rear,
> > White Industries Trials freewheel and white industries regular wheel
> > on the flip side, Tubus rear rack, Nitto front little rack with Nigel
> > Symthe little loafer. Honey B17 Saddle,   $1250. plus shipping. This
> > bike has a few nicks that have been touched up with orange (not quite
> > matching paint), but no dents or significant scratches.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Bleriot and Quickbeam

[Esteban]

Good luck - both great bikes.  I have to admit, when I saw the
Hillborne with paint, I took a glance at my Quickbeam and had an
impure thought about selling it.  I'm not suggesting that this is your
motive, but your post just made me think about it.

Someone your size is in for a treat!  The Quickbeam in partiuclar is a
gem!

On Jan 8, 1:00 pm, Jon Kaplan  wrote:
> I'm trying to "thin the herd" and clear out some garage space. I'm
> selling the following bicycles:
>
> 57cm Rivendell Bleriot. Mint condition. Paul Racer Centerpull brakes,
> Front Velocity wheel with Shimano Dyno Hub, Busch & Mueller front/rear
> lighting system, Nitto Rear Rack, Brooks B17 Black, Noodle Bars, bar
> end shifters, Rear Deore XT, 48-38-28 cranks, optional matching
> Carradice Black Boxy Back with Nitto Rack, Honjo fenders with matching
> pinstripe. Tires are Col De La Vie. It's a gorgeous bike, but I have a
> Rambo and a LHT.  $1500 plus shipping.
>
> 56cm Orange Quickbeam with Noodle Bars, Phil Wood hubs front and rear,
> White Industries Trials freewheel and white industries regular wheel
> on the flip side, Tubus rear rack, Nitto front little rack with Nigel
> Symthe little loafer. Honey B17 Saddle,   $1250. plus shipping. This
> bike has a few nicks that have been touched up with orange (not quite
> matching paint), but no dents or significant scratches.
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[RBW] Re: 2009 Cyclofiend.com Calendar Update

[Esteban]

Here's my chance to say I LOVE THE CALENDAR, Jim!  I have it in my
office and I hope it catches my students' eyes.

Just a wonderful idea and great execution.
-Esteban

On Jan 8, 6:34 pm, Angus  wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I appreciate you taking the risk and putting in the effort to pull
> this calendar together.  Mine hangs proudly behind my desk at work.
>
> Makes me smile when I walk into work each morning.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Angus
>
> On Jan 8, 1:33 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
> > Hey there -
>
> > First of all, let me thank everyone again who ordered one of the 2009
> > Cyclofiend.com Current Classic Calendars.  I really appreciate the trust in
> > ordering something sight unseen.  My goal is to be much more "in front" of
> > things for 2010, so that I'm not still delivering calendars into the new
> > year.
>
> > I had a large rush of orders following folks' comments on this list, which
> > wiped me out of Calendars (I even had to send the one I was going to use as
> > a personal copy...).  The printer actually owes me a couple dozen more for
> > ones which didn't get bound correctly, but I am waiting for those currently.
>
> > Currently a number of people are also waiting for that delivery, and the
> > remaining calendars will go out as soon as it arrives.
>
> > In the meantime, you can still obtain them (possibly more quickly) direct
> > through the printer -http://stores.lulu.com/cyclofiend
>
> > The reason I ended up using Lulu was their ability to print "one-off" orders
> > through the year. The only bad thing is that they nick you about $6 for
> > "shipping and handling" and use Media Mail, which can take a while.  I also
> > plan on knocking a dollar off per month in February, March and April.  At
> > that point, it will be below my cost through Lulu.
>
> > There seemed to be enough interest to seek more traditional printers,
> > especially if I can have it available to pre-order by August or September.
>
> > Again, thanks to all who ordered and those who have made both public and
> > private comments.  
>
> > - Jim
>
> > For information on submitting to the 2010 Cyclofiend.com Calendar, send an
> > email to calen...@cyclofiend.com
>
> > --
> > Jim Edgar
> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> > Three T-shirts Now Available:
> > "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt
> > Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt
> > "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirthttp://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff
>
> > And a 2009 Calendar -http://www.cyclofiend.com/calendar
>
> > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
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[RBW] Re: looking for a Romulus headbadge (or a buyer for frame/fork?)

[Mike]

Wow Bill, how totally cosmic. I had the same exact break on my
Rambouillet and am currently awaiting the same repair. And I too have
an AHH. And I know you. Weird.

Your pal,
Mike J from the peanut gallery
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[Elfardo]

Hey Colin,

I don't have much to add on replacement advice but I did grow up in
Canyon...

In high school and college I rode a lot on those windy roads up there.
Don't miss the wind a lot but I do have the yearning to take my
Quickbeam on that grid of endless dirt roads.

Actually I was in Amarillo with the QB a couple of months ago but
unfortunately you guys were having a bout of seriously crappy weather
so I didn't get a chance to ride until I came down off the caprock on
the way back south. If I make it back up there any time soon I'll drop
a mail to you.

Take care,
Clif Wright

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[JoelMatthews]

I had heard about those old Java Boy Bars but don't recall seeing them
on the bike.  All the more reason to follow the Sycip site closely
this Spring.  Even if I don't need the bars right now, the day may
well come I do.  Don't want to miss the chance.

On Jan 8, 9:13 pm, "tarik saleh"  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > Speaking of handlebars: Any of you guys catch this on the Sycip bros
> > Flickr site:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/16953...@n08/3114568721/
>
> Cool! Looks like a wider  flatter version of the old Sycip java boy
> bars which were great, the last few photos on this page 
> :http://www.tariksaleh.com/beakham.html
>
> Good stuff, great time to be a cyclist.
>
> Tarik
>
> --
> Tarik Saleh
> tas at tariksaleh dot com
> in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[JoelMatthews]

> what's funny, as a flickr'er, is the invite to post it in the Sycip group
> (unless it's an inside joke)

Ya know, I was ogling the bars and did not even notice that.  It
appears ernest, but those Northern Cali builders sure like to have
their fun.

On Jan 8, 9:08 pm, "David Estes"  wrote:
> what's funny, as a flickr'er, is the invite to post it in the Sycip group
> (unless it's an inside joke)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:47 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > Speaking of handlebars: Any of you guys catch this on the Sycip bros
> > Flickr site:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/16953...@n08/3114568721/
>
> > Appears they are close to producing a pretty swell looking bar.
> > Somewhat similar to the Jitensha bar but more curvy.  Might be fun to
> > try one out when they hit the market.
>
> > On Jan 8, 12:05 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> > > Do you replace your handlebars on a regular basis?
>
> > > Years ago, a friend had his handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting
> > in
> > > a shoulder dislocating crash & only luck kept him from being hit by a
> > car.
> > > When I mentioned this incident, several riders had similar experiences.
> > > Since then, I've taken the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on
> > the
> > > bike I ride all the time.  FWIW, I've also had 2 aluminum frames fail so
> > > perhaps I'm just a klutz.
>
> > > dougP
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[tarik saleh]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> Speaking of handlebars: Any of you guys catch this on the Sycip bros
> Flickr site:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/16953...@n08/3114568721/


Cool! Looks like a wider  flatter version of the old Sycip java boy
bars which were great, the last few photos on this page :
http://www.tariksaleh.com/beakham.html

Good stuff, great time to be a cyclist.

Tarik



-- 
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tas at tariksaleh dot com
in los alamos, po box 208, 87544
http://tariksaleh.com
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[David Estes]

what's funny, as a flickr'er, is the invite to post it in the Sycip group
(unless it's an inside joke)

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:47 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:

>
> Speaking of handlebars: Any of you guys catch this on the Sycip bros
> Flickr site:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/16953...@n08/3114568721/
>
> Appears they are close to producing a pretty swell looking bar.
> Somewhat similar to the Jitensha bar but more curvy.  Might be fun to
> try one out when they hit the market.
>
> On Jan 8, 12:05 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> > Do you replace your handlebars on a regular basis?
> >
> > Years ago, a friend had his handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting
> in
> > a shoulder dislocating crash & only luck kept him from being hit by a
> car.
> > When I mentioned this incident, several riders had similar experiences.
> > Since then, I've taken the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on
> the
> > bike I ride all the time.  FWIW, I've also had 2 aluminum frames fail so
> > perhaps I'm just a klutz.
> >
> > dougP
> >
>


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Cheers,
David
Redlands, CA

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[RBW] looking for a Romulus headbadge (or a buyer for frame/fork?)

[Bill Rhea]

My newly repaired and repainted 63cm Romulus frame is missing the
headbadge.  Does anybody have a line on one?  For that matter, is
anybody in the market for this frame and fork?

The RH rear dropout broke on this frame while JRA after about 3
years.  Riv picked up the repair cost and I paid for new paint and mid-
level front rack braze ons ($225 total).  It was worth making it nice
again, I thought.

I learned just before delivery that that the head badge was not
salvageable after Riv prepped the frame for paint.  This was a real
bummer, but s*** happens  I'm not all tweaky about it, but if I'd
known that losing the headbadge was a risk I would have either tried
removing it myself or just had it spot painted.  Life goes on.

Anyway, I'm now in possession of newly painted frame and fork, but w/o
a headbadge.  I don't expect that I'll come across another Romulus
headbadge, and Riv has no more.

While I waited for the repair I bought an AHH (which I really like) to
get me back on the road.  The repaired Rom frame is pristine and still
in the box.  If anybody is interested in buying this frame and fork
let me know off thread.  I would include a pair of used Tiagra brake
caliper with appropriate reach.

-br

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[Angus]

The only time I have sold as Rivendell is to move to a larger size
(increasing age, stiffer back etc...)

Angus

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[Angus]

Doug,

I'm 6'0" and 152 lbs.  I do not replace handlebars, The Nitto bars on
my Rambouillet are 10+/- years old, have been through 4 seasons of
cyclocross and about 5+ years on the road.

One of the gentlmen I ride with, "James", is many inches and many
pounds more than I (and much stronger too).  He seems to break frames
in 6-12 months.  If I were James I would be replacing my handlbears.

Angus

On Jan 8, 12:05 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> Do you replace your handlebars on a regular basis?  
>
> Years ago, a friend had his handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in
> a shoulder dislocating crash & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.
> When I mentioned this incident, several riders had similar experiences.
> Since then, I've taken the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on the
> bike I ride all the time.  FWIW, I've also had 2 aluminum frames fail so
> perhaps I'm just a klutz.
>
> dougP
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[JoelMatthews]

Speaking of handlebars: Any of you guys catch this on the Sycip bros
Flickr site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16953...@n08/3114568721/

Appears they are close to producing a pretty swell looking bar.
Somewhat similar to the Jitensha bar but more curvy.  Might be fun to
try one out when they hit the market.

On Jan 8, 12:05 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> Do you replace your handlebars on a regular basis?  
>
> Years ago, a friend had his handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in
> a shoulder dislocating crash & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.
> When I mentioned this incident, several riders had similar experiences.
> Since then, I've taken the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on the
> bike I ride all the time.  FWIW, I've also had 2 aluminum frames fail so
> perhaps I'm just a klutz.
>
> dougP
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[JoelMatthews]

And for the record, I agree with the sentiment it makes sense to keep
the Riv unless you have a real period restore in mind or something
like that.

On Jan 8, 6:54 pm, "PATRICK MOORE"  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM, colin p. cummings
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> > be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> > touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> > Colin Cummings
>
> Why? Definite, concrete dislikes or, at least, recognized and defined areas
> of insufficiency, or just a vague itch for change?  My 3 Rivs have been
> custom, so I was spared dislikes a priori, but whenever I think to myself,
> "Shit, man! You don't need a $.00 bicycle! You're completely happy on a
> $200 Motobecane with new, $200 Phil French bb!" I take another ride on one
> of the Rivs and begin once again inwardly to sing praises of Grant for his
> wonderful bikes.
>
> Put it this way: if you had a 198X Trek X20 or a 197X Motobecane Grand XXX,
> would you be thinking hard about a Rambouillet or Homer or whatever the
> current floor model is?
>
> It is hard to be a Riv, IME.
>
> Patrick "love the one you're with" Moore
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[JoelMatthews]

> The Trek frames are "racier" but the do feature nice low BBs and the rear 
> dropout is a true lug with the tubes set into it, as is the seat cluster. 
> >Nicer, IMO than what RBW uses. The remaining Trek lugs are fine, but nowhere 
> near as nice as RBW. They also use more slender tubes. I >loved my '86 560.

Good catch.  Now that you mention it, I really do like the cluster
with Trek etched into the seat stays where they reach the top tubes.
The thin tubing is a nice look.

Mine is an '82 728.   Since I had to change just about all the parts -
former owner had let it go to pot - I guess technically it is now a
720.  It is my camper, so right now it is storage waiting for riding
weather to return to the upper midwest.  I miss my buddy.

On Jan 8, 6:45 pm, Bruce  wrote:
> The Trek frames are "racier" but the do feature nice low BBs and the rear 
> dropout is a true lug with the tubes set into it, as is the seat cluster. 
> Nicer, IMO than what RBW uses. The remaining Trek lugs are fine, but nowhere 
> near as nice as RBW. They also use more slender tubes. I loved my '86 560.
>
> 
> From: JoelMatthews 
>
> Personally, I like Treks from before around '86.  Trek followed a
> somewhat different geometry philosophy than Grant.  None of the Treks
> had lugs as lovely as those on Rivs and the nicer Bridgestones.
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[RBW] Re: 2009 Cyclofiend.com Calendar Update

[Angus]

Jim,

I appreciate you taking the risk and putting in the effort to pull
this calendar together.  Mine hangs proudly behind my desk at work.

Makes me smile when I walk into work each morning.

Thanks!

Angus

On Jan 8, 1:33 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
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>
> First of all, let me thank everyone again who ordered one of the 2009
> Cyclofiend.com Current Classic Calendars.  I really appreciate the trust in
> ordering something sight unseen.  My goal is to be much more "in front" of
> things for 2010, so that I'm not still delivering calendars into the new
> year.
>
> I had a large rush of orders following folks' comments on this list, which
> wiped me out of Calendars (I even had to send the one I was going to use as
> a personal copy...).  The printer actually owes me a couple dozen more for
> ones which didn't get bound correctly, but I am waiting for those currently.
>
> Currently a number of people are also waiting for that delivery, and the
> remaining calendars will go out as soon as it arrives.
>
> In the meantime, you can still obtain them (possibly more quickly) direct
> through the printer -http://stores.lulu.com/cyclofiend
>
> The reason I ended up using Lulu was their ability to print "one-off" orders
> through the year. The only bad thing is that they nick you about $6 for
> "shipping and handling" and use Media Mail, which can take a while.  I also
> plan on knocking a dollar off per month in February, March and April.  At
> that point, it will be below my cost through Lulu.
>
> There seemed to be enough interest to seek more traditional printers,
> especially if I can have it available to pre-order by August or September.
>
> Again, thanks to all who ordered and those who have made both public and
> private comments.  
>
> - Jim
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[Doug Peterson]

Patrick:

 

At least it didn't take you 3 tries to get it right today.  Nice to see
you're improving.  

 

dougP

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:55 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

 

 

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:


It is hard to be a Riv, IME.


Damnit, that's "It's hard to BEAT a Riv". 




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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>
> It is hard to be a Riv, IME.
>

Damnit, that's "It's hard to BEAT a Riv".

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM, colin p. cummings
wrote:

>
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings


Why? Definite, concrete dislikes or, at least, recognized and defined areas
of insufficiency, or just a vague itch for change?  My 3 Rivs have been
custom, so I was spared dislikes a priori, but whenever I think to myself,
"Shit, man! You don't need a $.00 bicycle! You're completely happy on a
$200 Motobecane with new, $200 Phil French bb!" I take another ride on one
of the Rivs and begin once again inwardly to sing praises of Grant for his
wonderful bikes.

Put it this way: if you had a 198X Trek X20 or a 197X Motobecane Grand XXX,
would you be thinking hard about a Rambouillet or Homer or whatever the
current floor model is?

It is hard to be a Riv, IME.

Patrick "love the one you're with" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[Bruce]

The Trek frames are "racier" but the do feature nice low BBs and the rear 
dropout is a true lug with the tubes set into it, as is the seat cluster. 
Nicer, IMO than what RBW uses. The remaining Trek lugs are fine, but nowhere 
near as nice as RBW. They also use more slender tubes. I loved my '86 560.





From: JoelMatthews 

Personally, I like Treks from before around '86.  Trek followed a
somewhat different geometry philosophy than Grant.  None of the Treks
had lugs as lovely as those on Rivs and the nicer Bridgestones.


  
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[Brewster Fong]

On Jan 8, 3:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
Why would you get rid of two riv bikes and replace it with something
older? I agree with others that you can always find a nice sport-
touring style bike, i.e., older Trek/Japanese bike, but if you got a
Riv, I say try to figure out how to keep at least one! Good Luck!
Brewster
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Late 70s or early 80s Centurion Pro Tour. Miyata 1000. Trek
520/620/720. Fuji Del Rey. Probably some Univegas. Specialized
Sequoia. 80s Specialized Stumpjumper.

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: Rivlike Bikes

[JoelMatthews]

Most obvious would be the Grant designed Bridgestones.

Sometimes you can get lucky and find an old Bruce Gordon on eBay.  If
you are real careful a few years Panasonic issued some real gems among
the ordinary.

Personally, I like Treks from before around '86.  Trek followed a
somewhat different geometry philosophy than Grant.  None of the Treks
had lugs as lovely as those on Rivs and the nicer Bridgestones.

On Jan 8, 5:03 pm, "colin p. cummings" 
wrote:
> Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
> be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
> touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.
>
> Colin Cummings
> Amarillo, TX
>
> BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Rivlike Bikes

[colin p. cummings]

Contemplating selling my two Rivs and wondering, if I did, what would
be a good replacement?  Think used, older, lugged, similar geometries,
touring.  Thanks for the help.  Stuff for sale to follow soon.

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX

BTW any Riv riders in Amarillo, TX or a nearby small town?
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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[Dustin Sharp]

The thing that is scary about these kind of breaks is that they can happen
without warning.  I watched a JRA type break on a friend¹s mountain bike
while he was descending a relatively smooth trail years ago.  Not pretty.

Dustin 



From: Doug Peterson 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:23:57 -0800
To: 
Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

I look at $50 for a set of bars & compare to medical deductible, it seems
cheap insurance.  I dunno, maybe I¹m a worry wart.
 
dougP
 


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?
 
I¹ve been thinking about this a lot as my Nitto Noodles have recently
developed a creak at the sleeve.  I don¹t think the creek necessarily means
they are about too break, but every time I hear it I still wonder whether
it¹s not worth replacing a four-year-old set of bars.

Dustin


From: David Faller 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:37:11 -0800
To: 
Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

There are so many variables in the scenario... I'd guess this a rider issue,
not a hardware issue.  If the user is particularly large and/or strong, then
that user should probably take materials fatigue into greater consideration.
I wouldn't think that all riders need to take this sort of precaution.
Heck, I've never even broken a spoke, much less a set of bars or a frame!

- Original Message -
 
From:  Doug Peterson 
 
To: internet-...@bikelist.org ; rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  ;
bicyclelifest...@googlegroups.com
 
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05  AM
 
Subject: [RBW] handlebar lifespan?
 

 
 

Do you replace your handlebars on  a regular basis?



Years ago, a friend had his  handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in
a shoulder dislocating crash  & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.
When I mentioned this  incident, several riders had similar experiences.
Since then, I¹ve taken  the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on
the bike I ride all the  time.  FWIW, I¹ve also had 2 aluminum frames fail
so perhaps I¹m just a  klutz.



dougP











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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[Doug Peterson]

I look at $50 for a set of bars & compare to medical deductible, it seems
cheap insurance.  I dunno, maybe I'm a worry wart.

 

dougP

 

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

 

I've been thinking about this a lot as my Nitto Noodles have recently
developed a creak at the sleeve.  I don't think the creek necessarily means
they are about too break, but every time I hear it I still wonder whether
it's not worth replacing a four-year-old set of bars.

Dustin



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From: David Faller 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:37:11 -0800
To: 
Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

There are so many variables in the scenario... I'd guess this a rider issue,
not a hardware issue.  If the user is particularly large and/or strong, then
that user should probably take materials fatigue into greater consideration.
I wouldn't think that all riders need to take this sort of precaution.
Heck, I've never even broken a spoke, much less a set of bars or a frame!


- Original Message - 
 
From:  Doug Peterson   

 
To: internet-...@bikelist.org ; rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  ;
bicyclelifest...@googlegroups.com  
 
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05  AM
 
Subject: [RBW] handlebar lifespan?
 

 
 

Do you replace your handlebars on  a regular basis?  



Years ago, a friend had his  handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in
a shoulder dislocating crash  & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.
When I mentioned this  incident, several riders had similar experiences.
Since then, I've taken  the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on
the bike I ride all the  time.  FWIW, I've also had 2 aluminum frames fail
so perhaps I'm just a  klutz.



dougP









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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[manougian]

Dustin,

A touch of grease at the sleave could take care of the creak.

In general, Nitto handlebars are very well made and should last at
least 15-20 years.  Of course I'm assuming that you haven't crashed
your handlebars and that your not sized like Hercules :)


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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Bleriot and Quickbeam

[Jon Kaplan]

I'm trying to "thin the herd" and clear out some garage space. I'm
selling the following bicycles:


57cm Rivendell Bleriot. Mint condition. Paul Racer Centerpull brakes,
Front Velocity wheel with Shimano Dyno Hub, Busch & Mueller front/rear
lighting system, Nitto Rear Rack, Brooks B17 Black, Noodle Bars, bar
end shifters, Rear Deore XT, 48-38-28 cranks, optional matching
Carradice Black Boxy Back with Nitto Rack, Honjo fenders with matching
pinstripe. Tires are Col De La Vie. It's a gorgeous bike, but I have a
Rambo and a LHT.  $1500 plus shipping.



56cm Orange Quickbeam with Noodle Bars, Phil Wood hubs front and rear,
White Industries Trials freewheel and white industries regular wheel
on the flip side, Tubus rear rack, Nitto front little rack with Nigel
Symthe little loafer. Honey B17 Saddle,   $1250. plus shipping. This
bike has a few nicks that have been touched up with orange (not quite
matching paint), but no dents or significant scratches.




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[RBW] Re: FS: Tires, Tires, Tires

[Larry Powers]

I can take the Ruffy Tuffy's if you still have them.  Let me know how you would 
like to handle payment.
 
Thanks.Larry Powers 
 
"just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a 
double back flip" - John Hiatt > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:54:31 -0800> Subject: 
[RBW] FS: Tires, Tires, Tires> From: jnma...@yahoo.com> To: 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > I have two sets of tires for sale:> > 1. 
Rivendell Ruffy-Tuffy tires, size 700x28s. Only 5 miles on them> (no kidding!). 
$50 shipped for the pair.> > 2. Grand Bois Cypres tires, size 650Bx32. Only 5 
miles on them (no> kidding, either). $70 shipped for the pair.> > > Either way, 
with each set you'll be saving about $40. Shipping is> included and the tires 
really look new.> > I can be reached via e-mail or at 650-328-2927.> > James 
Manou (Menlo Park, Calif.)> 
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[RBW] FS: Tires, Tires, Tires

[manougian]

I have two sets of tires for sale:

1.  Rivendell Ruffy-Tuffy tires, size 700x28s.  Only 5 miles on them
(no kidding!).  $50 shipped for the pair.

2.  Grand Bois Cypres tires, size 650Bx32.  Only 5 miles on them (no
kidding, either).  $70 shipped for the pair.


Either way, with each set you'll be saving about $40.  Shipping is
included and the tires really look new.

I can be reached via e-mail or at 650-328-2927.

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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[Dustin Sharp]

I¹ve been thinking about this a lot as my Nitto Noodles have recently
developed a creak at the sleeve.  I don¹t think the creek necessarily means
they are about too break, but every time I hear it I still wonder whether
it¹s not worth replacing a four-year-old set of bars.

Dustin



From: David Faller 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:37:11 -0800
To: 
Subject: [RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

There are so many variables in the scenario... I'd guess this a rider issue,
not a hardware issue.  If the user is particularly large and/or strong, then
that user should probably take materials fatigue into greater consideration.
I wouldn't think that all riders need to take this sort of precaution.
Heck, I've never even broken a spoke, much less a set of bars or a frame!
>  
> - Original Message -
>  
> From:  Doug Peterson 
>  
> To: internet-...@bikelist.org ; rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  ;
> bicyclelifest...@googlegroups.com
>  
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05  AM
>  
> Subject: [RBW] handlebar lifespan?
>  
> 
>  
>  
> 
> Do you replace your handlebars on  a regular basis?
>  
>  
>  
> Years ago, a friend had his  handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in a
> shoulder dislocating crash  & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.
> When I mentioned this  incident, several riders had similar experiences.
> Since then, I¹ve taken  the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on the
> bike I ride all the  time.  FWIW, I¹ve also had 2 aluminum frames fail so
> perhaps I¹m just a  klutz.
>  
>  
>  
> dougP
> 
> 
> > 
> 


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[RBW] Re: handlebar lifespan?

[David Faller]

There are so many variables in the scenario... I'd guess this a rider issue, 
not a hardware issue.  If the user is particularly large and/or strong, then 
that user should probably take materials fatigue into greater consideration.  I 
wouldn't think that all riders need to take this sort of precaution.  Heck, 
I've never even broken a spoke, much less a set of bars or a frame!
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:05 AM
  Subject: [RBW] handlebar lifespan?


  Do you replace your handlebars on a regular basis?  

   

  Years ago, a friend had his handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in a 
shoulder dislocating crash & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.  When 
I mentioned this incident, several riders had similar experiences.  Since then, 
I’ve taken the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on the bike I ride 
all the time.  FWIW, I’ve also had 2 aluminum frames fail so perhaps I’m just a 
klutz.

   

  dougP


  

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[RBW] 2009 Cyclofiend.com Calendar Update

[CycloFiend]

Hey there - 

First of all, let me thank everyone again who ordered one of the 2009
Cyclofiend.com Current Classic Calendars.  I really appreciate the trust in
ordering something sight unseen.  My goal is to be much more "in front" of
things for 2010, so that I'm not still delivering calendars into the new
year.

I had a large rush of orders following folks' comments on this list, which
wiped me out of Calendars (I even had to send the one I was going to use as
a personal copy...).  The printer actually owes me a couple dozen more for
ones which didn't get bound correctly, but I am waiting for those currently.

Currently a number of people are also waiting for that delivery, and the
remaining calendars will go out as soon as it arrives.

In the meantime, you can still obtain them (possibly more quickly) direct
through the printer - http://stores.lulu.com/cyclofiend

The reason I ended up using Lulu was their ability to print "one-off" orders
through the year. The only bad thing is that they nick you about $6 for
"shipping and handling" and use Media Mail, which can take a while.  I also
plan on knocking a dollar off per month in February, March and April.  At
that point, it will be below my cost through Lulu.

There seemed to be enough interest to seek more traditional printers,
especially if I can have it available to pre-order by August or September.

Again, thanks to all who ordered and those who have made both public and
private comments.  

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[beckertronix]

  Interestingly there were a couple of posts yesterday and today on
the bikeportland.org blog about JetBlue's policy of charging for
folding/breakaway bikes even when packed in cases that don't exceed
the size limits.  Within a day of the post the airline changed it's
policy and now as long as the case falls within normal size limits
bikes are treated as luggage, i.e. no extra charge.

http://bikeportland.org/2009/01/07/bta-staffer-wants-to-change-jetblues-bike-baggage-policy/
http://bikeportland.org/2009/01/08/jetblue-responds-folded-bikes-can-now-fly-free/


On Jan 7, 9:39 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> It seems to be hit-or-miss. The S&S case supposedly meets the
> dimensional criteria to be treated as an ordinary piece of luggage.
> But some airlines apparently have an automatic surcharge on bikes,
> regardless of size. A friend and I traveled with our coupled bikes
> last February, no problem. The same friend traveled with his coupled
> bike in September, and got charged after volunteering the information
> that his suitcase contained a bike. He protested, and after some
> debate, the actual measurements of the case were obtained, which put
> it in the no-charge, regular luggage category. If the same case was
> stuffed with clothing, additional fees wouldn't have been an issue.
>
> It's one thing to pay a known, expected fee, and another thing to be
> surprised by a fee that is applied arbitrarily, especially after
> spending $750 for couplers to avoid that fee.
>
> I'll be damned if I'm going to let the airlines balance their budgets
> on the backs of bicyclists. (intended in good humor)
>
> On Jan 7, 10:21 pm, Big Paulie  wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7, 6:52 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > wrote:
>
> > >  I've heard that it may be getting harder to escape the extra charges 
> > > imposed by the airlines
> > > for a coupled bike.
>
> > Even nice airlines have to eat too, Jim...
>
> > :-)
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Lynne Fitz]

On S&S bikes, packing, and traveling.  I've only had an airline try to
stick me with a charge once.  The guy heard the word "bicycle" and
sucked the air in through his teeth and... "that isn't REALLY a
bicycle in there?" (26x26x10 case, yes, it was).  My husband, who is
clearly the brighter of the two of us said: "bicycle PARTS".  Ok then.

That said, yes, having the couplers installed is up around $600 now.
This does NOT include the case, the cable splitters, and any packing
stuff you might want.  I've got the frame protectors (yay Bilenky!),
compression members, and TSA net.  I've got another bike in the works
which will have couplers, but I won't have to buy anything else extra
except the cable splitters, because I've got all the accessory stuff.

650B bike - I do deflate the tires.

Here is a picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/881020020/in/set-72157600223028173/
and another one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/2711970413/in/set-72157606428065794/
(we had to rent a really big vehicle :-) )

So far, I've taken the bike with fenders (plastic ones for travel),
and the generator hub wheel and light.  And the Carradice Barley, but
that goes in my other suitcase.

On Jan 8, 10:11 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I'm not sure where I read it, but supposedly you could take a fully  
> inflated bike tire into outer space and it wouldn't explode.  The  
> lower cabin pressure in the hold of an airplane shouldn't affect your  
> tires.
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The airlines require compressed gas cylinders (i.e., scuba tanks) to  
> > fly de-pressurized.  However, I’ve never been asked about my tires  
> > even when it was obviously a bicycle that I was checking in.  
> > There’s a theory that bicycle tires can explode if shipped fully  
> > inflated.  However, the baggage compartment is pressurized (for the  
> > comfort & safety of traveling animals for one) so I doubt that’s  
> > likely.  I’ve shipped bikes many times with the tires fully inflated  
> > with no problems.
>
> > dougP
>
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > ] On Behalf Of Horace
> > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:38 AM
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
> > 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
> > Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to  
> > protect the rim, no?
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Eric Norris]

I'm not sure where I read it, but supposedly you could take a fully  
inflated bike tire into outer space and it wouldn't explode.  The  
lower cabin pressure in the hold of an airplane shouldn't affect your  
tires.

--Eric
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org



On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Doug Peterson wrote:

> The airlines require compressed gas cylinders (i.e., scuba tanks) to  
> fly de-pressurized.  However, I’ve never been asked about my tires  
> even when it was obviously a bicycle that I was checking in.   
> There’s a theory that bicycle tires can explode if shipped fully  
> inflated.  However, the baggage compartment is pressurized (for the  
> comfort & safety of traveling animals for one) so I doubt that’s  
> likely.  I’ve shipped bikes many times with the tires fully inflated  
> with no problems.
>
> dougP
>
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Horace
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
> 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
> Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to  
> protect the rim, no?
>
>
>
>
> >


--Eric
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[RBW] handlebar lifespan?

[Doug Peterson]

Do you replace your handlebars on a regular basis?  

 

Years ago, a friend had his handlebars snap off near the stem, resulting in
a shoulder dislocating crash & only luck kept him from being hit by a car.
When I mentioned this incident, several riders had similar experiences.
Since then, I've taken the precaution of replacing bars every 5 years on the
bike I ride all the time.  FWIW, I've also had 2 aluminum frames fail so
perhaps I'm just a klutz.

 

dougP


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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Atmospheric pressure is roughly 14.7 psi. If you have 80 psi in your
tires at sea level, the relative pressure at altitude can't exceed
about 95 psi. Hardly blowout territory for most tires and rims.

On Jan 8, 11:42 am, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> The bike I packed for a friend had 700c but I think 23mm.  The rear did take
> some wiggling to get in & was tight.  With the tire on the front wheel (last
> thing in) I could not get the spacing struts to work out.  The front wheel
> need just a bit of room, so I took the tire off & everything went in without
> stress.  
> The S&S case is to well made & rugged that rim damage is highly unlikely.
> Even the gorilla in the old TV commercial for luggage couldn't hurt it.  
>
> dougP
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RonLau
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:45 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
>
> In theory, yes, but in practice, 700c will not fit inside the case.
>
> 559 will fit inflated in terms of diameter but the wide of the tire
> can cause problem.  Another issue I think about is the pressure inside
> the cargo bay, I really don't want the tire to expand if the cargo bay
> pressure is lower than the cabin.  When I pack them, I let all the air
> out and open the tube valve.
>
> On Jan 8, 7:38 am, Horace  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
> > > 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
> > Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect
> the
> > rim, no?
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Doug Peterson]

Look forward to the pix.  One of the attractions of re-cycling cardboard
boxes is the cost.  On point to point tours, it's simplest to abandon your
boxes at the start & scrounge up some materials at the end.  It's a problem
when you have a dedicated, expensive bike case, even on supported tours.  

 

dougP

 

  _  

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Sweedler
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:02 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

 

I went the route of retrofitting my Landshark tourer [64 cm] and make 2
carboard boxes 26" x 26" x 10". I put the 700 c wheels in one [with 38's]
which must be deflated to fit. I put the frame with crank attached in the
other. I pack my clothes and Hoss and  Hobo in and around and secure with 2
web straps pependicular to each other. I can walk carrying each box and I
have a small backpack [with my helmet and carry on stuff]   I am in the
process of making my second set of boxes for a trip next month. I will take
pictures when done.   Steve

 

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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[erik jensen]

Given a chance depressurization, were a compressed gas cylinder to explode
it would jettison about in any manner of ways with a good chance of
nontrivial damage to the plane.
Were a bicycle tire to explode, you'd be out 5 dollars upon arrival and
perhaps create a loud noise in the cargo bay.

but might nobody hear it and if so, what of the ontological status of said
event?

erik

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Doug Peterson  wrote:

>  The airlines require compressed gas cylinders (i.e., scuba tanks) to fly
> de-pressurized.  However, I've never been asked about my tires even when it
> was obviously a bicycle that I was checking in.  There's a theory that
> bicycle tires can explode if shipped fully inflated.  However, the baggage
> compartment is pressurized (for the comfort & safety of traveling animals
> for one) so I doubt that's likely.  I've shipped bikes many times with the
> tires fully inflated with no problems.
>
>
>
> dougP
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Horace
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:38 AM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
>
> 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
>
> Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect the
> rim, no?
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Doug Peterson]

The bike I packed for a friend had 700c but I think 23mm.  The rear did take
some wiggling to get in & was tight.  With the tire on the front wheel (last
thing in) I could not get the spacing struts to work out.  The front wheel
need just a bit of room, so I took the tire off & everything went in without
stress.  
The S&S case is to well made & rugged that rim damage is highly unlikely.
Even the gorilla in the old TV commercial for luggage couldn't hurt it.  

dougP

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RonLau
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:45 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado


In theory, yes, but in practice, 700c will not fit inside the case.

559 will fit inflated in terms of diameter but the wide of the tire
can cause problem.  Another issue I think about is the pressure inside
the cargo bay, I really don't want the tire to expand if the cargo bay
pressure is lower than the cabin.  When I pack them, I let all the air
out and open the tube valve.



On Jan 8, 7:38 am, Horace  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
> > 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
> Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect
the
> rim, no?




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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Doug Peterson]

The airlines require compressed gas cylinders (i.e., scuba tanks) to fly
de-pressurized.  However, I've never been asked about my tires even when it
was obviously a bicycle that I was checking in.  There's a theory that
bicycle tires can explode if shipped fully inflated.  However, the baggage
compartment is pressurized (for the comfort & safety of traveling animals
for one) so I doubt that's likely.  I've shipped bikes many times with the
tires fully inflated with no problems.  

 

dougP

 

  _  

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Horace
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:38 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

 

 

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:


4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)


Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect the
rim, no?






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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[fenderbender]

Not tried either but I did check both a few years ago. Remember
stumbling on a well regarded frame builders site and reading his
report of having to re-braze quite a few Break-Away frames. There were
some pictures too and he described it as causing the lower clamp
breaking. Anyone know more about this?
I haven't heard of a broken S&S coupling but I would think it's better
suited to loaded touring.

As I also had a couple of lugged frames in need of refurbishing, my
plan was to have them converted a'la Herse Demountable instead! But
due to problem of sourcing a reliable welder local the project has
been put on the backburner for now. Once finished it should look some
what similar to this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bensondoc/sets/72157601730455819/

Btw, anyone know if the S&S foldable backpack case is worth getting?
http://www.sandsmachine.com/ac_back.htm

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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Ray Shine]

Thanks.  I'd like to see those pix.

RS

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
From: Steven Sweedler 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 8:01 AM

I went the route of retrofitting my Landshark tourer [64 cm] and make 2 
carboard boxes 26" x 26" x 10". I put the 700 c wheels in one [with 38's] which 
must be deflated to fit. I put the frame with crank attached in the other. I 
pack my clothes and Hoss and  Hobo in and around and secure with 2 web straps 
pependicular to each other. I can walk carrying each box and I have a small 
backpack [with my helmet and carry on stuff]   I am in the process of making my 
second set of boxes for a trip next month. I will take pictures when done.   
Steve

 
Plymouth, New Hampshire






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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Steven Sweedler]

I went the route of retrofitting my Landshark tourer [64 cm] and make 2
carboard boxes 26" x 26" x 10". I put the 700 c wheels in one [with 38's]
which must be deflated to fit. I put the frame with crank attached in the
other. I pack my clothes and Hoss and  Hobo in and around and secure with 2
web straps pependicular to each other. I can walk carrying each box and I
have a small backpack [with my helmet and carry on stuff]   I am in the
process of making my second set of boxes for a trip next month. I will take
pictures when done.   Steve

Plymouth, New Hampshire

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[RBW] Re: What panniers are these?

[JoelMatthews]

Nice product.  I will check it out.

On Jan 8, 8:38 am, Sarah Gibson  wrote:
> and another
> also in pdxhttp://www.blackstarbags.com/
> daves a great guy
> give him a shout
> peace
>
> well behaved women rarely make history
> _ride yr friggin bicycle_
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:20:15 -0800
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: What panniers are these?
> > From: pedal_kr...@yahoo.se
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > VO also sell some practical and quite good looking duch bags:
> >http://www.velo-orange.com/baka2pa.html]VeloOrange
>
> > On 5 Jan, 17:39, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > > There are a number of small operations around the country sewing 
> > > > handmade messenger bags and
> > > > cycling caps that seem to do good business in that niche, so I wonder 
> > > > why very few have turned to traditional bicycle luggage.
>
> > > At least one small US vendor is now making panniers:
>
> > >http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/
>
> > > I am somewhat tempted, although my Ortliebs work fine.  I like
> > > supporting these cottage industries, and the bags have more of a
> > > 'real' feel to them than the functional but bland Ortlieb panniers.
>
> > > Lemolo makes some other good products.  I suspect these panniers are
> > > the real deal.
>
> > > On Jan 4, 10:25 pm, scott  wrote:
>
> > > > That is a bummer as there aren't really any canvas panniers on the
> > > > market right now. The Berthouds are too expensive for me. The
> > > > Carradice panniers are available in England, but I'm not totally
> > > > excited by the Super C bags. Ostrich looks nice, but availability?
> > > > Minnihaha panniers look like they might not hold up on a tour or to
> > > > time for that matter. Frost River is gone. What else is there? Acorn
> > > > mentioned something on the horizon. Velo Orange plans on something.
> > > > But the market is pretty dead right now. There are a number of small
> > > > operations around the country sewing handmade messenger bags and
> > > > cycling caps that seem to do good business in that niche, so I wonder
> > > > why very few have turned to traditional bicycle luggage. Acorn has to
> > > > stop taking orders in under two days now the orders come so briskly,
> > > > and they manage to keep their prices very low and quality very high,
> > > > in my opinion, so I guess the whole point to my little pannier rant is
> > > > I hope some other options present themselves. Oh, and by the way, is
> > > > it obvious that I am in the market for a new set of panniers right
> > > > now?
> > > > On Jan 4, 8:58 pm, Weird Harold  wrote:
>
> > > > > I was at Rivendell yesterday and casually asked if they planned to
> > > > > offer panniers. The answer was "probably not anytime soon."
>
> > > > > On Jan 2, 1:32 pm, "Gino Zahnd"  wrote:
>
> > > > > > Jim is correct - those are old(er) Berthoud bags, and that image has
> > > > > > been around for quite a long time (in internet years).
>
> > > > > > Happy New Year!
>
> > > > > > Gino
>
> > > > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Frankwurst  
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I hope your right and the are Nigels. Nothing against Berthouds 
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > still think Nigels are the cats meow.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:52 am, "Bill Connell"  wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:51 AM, William Henderson
>
> > > > > > >>  wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> >http://asset3.rivbike.com/images/static/home_splash/5.jpg?1182737528
>
> > > > > > >> > Perhaps the new Riv-made panniers I've heard rumblings about?
>
> > > > > > >> They look like Berthoud to me. Could be prototypes though, in 
> > > > > > >> the Nigel style.
>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Bill Connell
> > > > > > >> St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Dölj citerad text -
>
> > > - Visa citerad text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[RonLau]

Sorry, I mean

700c with tire will not fit inside the case when inflated.

On Jan 8, 7:44 am, RonLau  wrote:
> In theory, yes, but in practice, 700c will not fit inside the case.
>
> 559 will fit inflated in terms of diameter but the wide of the tire
> can cause problem.  Another issue I think about is the pressure inside
> the cargo bay, I really don't want the tire to expand if the cargo bay
> pressure is lower than the cabin.  When I pack them, I let all the air
> out and open the tube valve.
>
> On Jan 8, 7:38 am, Horace  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
> > > 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
> > Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect the
> > rim, no?
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[RonLau]

In theory, yes, but in practice, 700c will not fit inside the case.

559 will fit inflated in terms of diameter but the wide of the tire
can cause problem.  Another issue I think about is the pressure inside
the cargo bay, I really don't want the tire to expand if the cargo bay
pressure is lower than the cabin.  When I pack them, I let all the air
out and open the tube valve.



On Jan 8, 7:38 am, Horace  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:
>
> > 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
>
> Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect the
> rim, no?
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Horace]

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, RonLau  wrote:

>
> 4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)


Seems like leaving the tires inflated would be a better idea to protect the
rim, no?

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[RBW] Re: What panniers are these?

[Sarah Gibson]

and another
also in pdx
http://www.blackstarbags.com/
daves a great guy
give him a shout
peace



well behaved women rarely make history
_ride yr friggin bicycle_
 




> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:20:15 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: What panniers are these?
> From: pedal_kr...@yahoo.se
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> VO also sell some practical and quite good looking duch bags:
> http://www.velo-orange.com/baka2pa.html]VeloOrange
> 
> On 5 Jan, 17:39, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > There are a number of small operations around the country sewing handmade 
> > > messenger bags and
> > > cycling caps that seem to do good business in that niche, so I wonder why 
> > > very few have turned to traditional bicycle luggage.
> >
> > At least one small US vendor is now making panniers:
> >
> > http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/
> >
> > I am somewhat tempted, although my Ortliebs work fine.  I like
> > supporting these cottage industries, and the bags have more of a
> > 'real' feel to them than the functional but bland Ortlieb panniers.
> >
> > Lemolo makes some other good products.  I suspect these panniers are
> > the real deal.
> >
> > On Jan 4, 10:25 pm, scott  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > That is a bummer as there aren't really any canvas panniers on the
> > > market right now. The Berthouds are too expensive for me. The
> > > Carradice panniers are available in England, but I'm not totally
> > > excited by the Super C bags. Ostrich looks nice, but availability?
> > > Minnihaha panniers look like they might not hold up on a tour or to
> > > time for that matter. Frost River is gone. What else is there? Acorn
> > > mentioned something on the horizon. Velo Orange plans on something.
> > > But the market is pretty dead right now. There are a number of small
> > > operations around the country sewing handmade messenger bags and
> > > cycling caps that seem to do good business in that niche, so I wonder
> > > why very few have turned to traditional bicycle luggage. Acorn has to
> > > stop taking orders in under two days now the orders come so briskly,
> > > and they manage to keep their prices very low and quality very high,
> > > in my opinion, so I guess the whole point to my little pannier rant is
> > > I hope some other options present themselves. Oh, and by the way, is
> > > it obvious that I am in the market for a new set of panniers right
> > > now?
> > > On Jan 4, 8:58 pm, Weird Harold  wrote:
> >
> > > > I was at Rivendell yesterday and casually asked if they planned to
> > > > offer panniers. The answer was "probably not anytime soon."
> >
> > > > On Jan 2, 1:32 pm, "Gino Zahnd"  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Jim is correct - those are old(er) Berthoud bags, and that image has
> > > > > been around for quite a long time (in internet years).
> >
> > > > > Happy New Year!
> >
> > > > > Gino
> >
> > > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Frankwurst  wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I hope your right and the are Nigels. Nothing against Berthouds but 
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > still think Nigels are the cats meow.
> >
> > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:52 am, "Bill Connell"  wrote:
> > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:51 AM, William Henderson
> >
> > > > > >>  wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >http://asset3.rivbike.com/images/static/home_splash/5.jpg?1182737528
> >
> > > > > >> > Perhaps the new Riv-made panniers I've heard rumblings about?
> >
> > > > > >> They look like Berthoud to me. Could be prototypes though, in the 
> > > > > >> Nigel style.
> >
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Bill Connell
> > > > > >> St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -- Dölj citerad text -
> >
> > - Visa citerad text -
> > 

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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Ray Shine]

More great info.  Thanks, Ron.

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, RonLau  wrote:
From: RonLau 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:11 PM

I travel with my s&s bike and so far I have no issue with the
airlines.  putting it apart is easy because you probably do it at home
but putting back together can be harder because you are in the hotel
room.

overall, if you do travel with you bike, these are my advices.

1. get a not so expensive frame, because it will get dings no matter
how hard you try.
2. if you can deal with a compact frame, much easier to pack.
3. make sure you get some crank with auto extractor, octalink is
pretty easy and the outboard bearing is very easy to take the non
drive side crank out.
4. do know you have to deflate the tires (700c for sure)
5. do bring just the tools you need.  the case itself is 16 pounds,
with a bike 50 pounds limit is easy to reach.
6. get a cheap seatpost
7. if you get a custom frame, have your name engrave on the bottom
bracket
8. take pictures of how you pack it, save it on your phone or print it
out, you will need it. when time comes.
9. fender is painful to put on and off.  get plastic one.
10. have some plastic gloves.  chain is messy
11. get threadless stem or shorter stem, a long stem is painful to
take out and pack.
12. learn to adjust RD and FD. sti,ergo,downtube,barend, you still
need to adjust them if needed.

Besides flying with my bike, an S&S or Breakaway bike is great to
transport a bike without a root rack, you can put one easier in any
small car trunk.
The S&S case is great just to travel with, tons of room for everything
besides moving a bike.  the case is expensive, you might as well use
it all the time.

Anyone in bay area are most welcome to come check out my s&s bike,  I
packed it many time and have all the tricks down.

ron

On Jan 7, 9:22 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> Or just ship the bike out.  Heck, I took one apart & packed it in
Croatia
> when its owner had to leave the tour abruptly, without his bike.  I'd
do the
> assembly, given the chance & a couple of hours.  
>
> dougP
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thill -
Hiawatha
> Cyclery
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:48 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
>
> I fully intend to. Can't wait.
>
> On Jan 7, 10:43 pm, "David Estes"
 wrote:
> > When you come out to Cali in March, you can put it to the test
>
> > We're waiting you know...  :-)
>
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>
> > thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It seems to be hit-or-miss. The S&S case supposedly meets
the
> > > dimensional criteria to be treated as an ordinary piece of
luggage.
> > > But some airlines apparently have an automatic surcharge on
bikes,
> > > regardless of size. A friend and I traveled with our coupled
bikes
> > > last February, no problem. The same friend traveled with his
coupled
> > > bike in September, and got charged after volunteering the
information
> > > that his suitcase contained a bike. He protested, and after some
> > > debate, the actual measurements of the case were obtained, which
put
> > > it in the no-charge, regular luggage category. If the same case
was
> > > stuffed with clothing, additional fees wouldn't have been an
issue.
>
> > > It's one thing to pay a known, expected fee, and another
thing to be
> > > surprised by a fee that is applied arbitrarily, especially after
> > > spending $750 for couplers to avoid that fee.
>
> > > I'll be damned if I'm going to let the airlines balance
their budgets
> > > on the backs of bicyclists. (intended in good humor)
>
> > > On Jan 7, 10:21 pm, Big Paulie 
wrote:
> > > > On Jan 7, 6:52 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >  I've heard that it may be getting harder to
escape the extra
> charges
> > > imposed by the airlines
> > > > > for a coupled bike.
>
> > > > Even nice airlines have to eat too, Jim...
>
> > > > :-)
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA


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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Ray Shine]

Good information.  Thanks, guys.  Boy, they get ya comin' and goin'!

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Brewster Fong  wrote:
From: Brewster Fong 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:21 PM



On Jan 7, 7:29 pm, "Steven Sweedler" 
wrote:
> Ray, the Dahon case exceeds the maximum limit of 62" for a suitcase H
+ W
> +D.The Ritchey is  9" x 27" x 31"= 67"    I also
had my existing bike
> coupled and I did fly free on my first trip. Steve
>
This is true. I travel to Hawaii every year to visit in-laws. I bought
a Paul Taylor fillet brazed/ritchey breakaway frameset in April 07
with the intent to bring it with me. It looks like the one here:

http://www.taylorbicycles.com/assets/images/db_images/db_254-Paul-Taylor-Photos-0131.jpg

At the time, "oversized" luggage was consider 70" cubic inches.
However, by the time I was planning to bring it on a trip to Hawaii in
August, the airlines lowered the limit to 62".  As stated above, the
case measures 67" and is now considered "oversized" luggage. It
would
have cost about $100 each way to bring the bike. I left the bike home
and decided to just hit the beach as I refused to give in to the
hype.Brewster


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[RBW] Re: Cool looking exhibit in Boston

[Ethan]

I'd be interested! I live in JP right now but will be living in
Berlin, MA by then. Still not hard for me to get into the city. Sounds
like fun!


Ethan

On Jan 7, 6:28 pm, MichaelS  wrote:
> If anyone is in or plans to be in Boston any time soon, you may want
> to check out this exhibit:
>
> 
>
> It's just down the street from a great brewpub (Watch City BC,) as
> well...  I'm probably going soon, but it runs until mid-May.  It might
> make a nice destination for an early Spring urban-ish group ride.  I
> work at a brewery downtown.  We could meet up there, have a beer, and
> make our leisurely way through the city and out to Waltham.  Check out
> the exhibit, lunch at Watch City and a leisurely ride back downtown.
> And another beer...  I'm thinking April or early May to hopefully get
> a nice day.  Anyone interested?
>
> Cheers- Mike in slushy So. Boston, Mass
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[RBW] Re: Hillborn v. Tournado

[Angus]

I have owned an S&S coupled All-Rounder for 10 years.  Even meeting
the 62" limit it has been hit or miss with the ever changing airline
policies, but it most often has flown for free.  Of late I have used
curbside bagage check with a hefty tip visible in my hand.  No
questions asked about the weight or size. :-)

It is also a very easy way to fit the bike into the trunk of a car.

Between travels it serves as my commuter.

Angus

On Jan 8, 12:21 am, Brewster Fong  wrote:
> On Jan 7, 7:29 pm, "Steven Sweedler"  wrote:> Ray, the 
> Dahon case exceeds the maximum limit of 62" for a suitcase H + W
> > +D.The Ritchey is  9" x 27" x 31"= 67"    I also had my existing bike
> > coupled and I did fly free on my first trip. Steve
>
> This is true. I travel to Hawaii every year to visit in-laws. I bought
> a Paul Taylor fillet brazed/ritchey breakaway frameset in April 07
> with the intent to bring it with me. It looks like the one here:
>
> http://www.taylorbicycles.com/assets/images/db_images/db_254-Paul-Tay...
>
> At the time, "oversized" luggage was consider 70" cubic inches.
> However, by the time I was planning to bring it on a trip to Hawaii in
> August, the airlines lowered the limit to 62".  As stated above, the
> case measures 67" and is now considered "oversized" luggage. It would
> have cost about $100 each way to bring the bike. I left the bike home
> and decided to just hit the beach as I refused to give in to the
> hype.Brewster
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