Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I like the Cospea very much. It is gorgeous and works great. I also have a double / triple from DaVinci which is about the same price and is also a great crank. It is actually made by White Ind. and has the advantage of fitting on a pretty short BB, so you can save some money by keeping your current BB. That said, the velo orange version of the Sugino crank looks very good, a step up from the XD2 but not nearly as expensive as the other two. Both the Cospea and and the White are lower Q than the XD2, which I also appreciate. Happy shopping. Michael On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, How do you like that Sugino Cospea from Jitensha? I am considering that or maybe this one from Ben's: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=6455 The Jitensha is considerably more expensive and I realize they are not the exact same part but I don't know which way to go. This is for a D58Kogswell which has never performed quite the way it should as a 9 speed triple. Going to try a compact double and will have to get a new bottom bracket in the process. Thanks. John On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid I missed this announcement and don't see any new dbls on the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitensha http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to, but understated compared to the Mity Tour. Michael On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: SKS/Berthoud fender review
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 19:06 -0800, rob markwardt wrote: I've only tried the older SKS's and they developed a kind of funky warped twist on the back. I heard others say that metal fenders rattle a lot but mine are rock solid. Must be because somebody else installed them! None of mine rattle and I've installed all of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] What's Your Q?
Going out to the garage with a machinists ruler, I find that putting the center of a crank arm flat on the table and measuring the gap between the table and the center of the pedal hole yields these numbers; Sugino XD2 27 mm Late Model Ultegra 20 mm Vintage Shimano 600 12.5 mm. Pretty wide spread. No pun intended. Total Q will depend on BB length of course. You need enough so the inner chain ring clears the stay, but no so much that the front derailler cannot shift to the larger chain ring, or that yields an impossible chain line. Is there some sort of comprehensive table on this data? From: Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com Both the Cospea and and the White are lower Q than the XD2, which I also appreciate. Happy shopping. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Dirty Hubs are Cool...was Hubshiners? UPDATE!
On Saturday, March 13, 2010, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 3/12/10 7:22 PM, Angus at angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I can feel a new flickr group brewing Rivendell hub shiners and no I'm NOT going to start it. I don't think anyone can start it until they own the things... ...and I'm deeply miffed that there isn't a cloisonne RBW logo on the snap. I'm waiting for the tweed version. Bill -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Dirty Hubs are Cool...was Hubshiners? UPDATE!
In blue and green and tan to match Keven's bag of course. A brand V style as well... From: Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:46:58 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Dirty Hubs are Cool...was Hubshiners? UPDATE! On Saturday, March 13, 2010, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 3/12/10 7:22 PM, Angus at angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I can feel a new flickr group brewing Rivendell hub shiners I'm waiting for the tweed version. Bill -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even 180. 185mm would be nice for many. but I understand the reluctant mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter. People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and getting a bad chainline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
When there are so many really beautiful non-anodized silver cranks out there I don't know why anyone would want an anodized one. After a few miles of pedaling the anodizing will have worn off where the shoe scuffs. plus anodizing is often done because it's cheaper than polishing. VO already carries three Sugino cranks, including the lovely Alpina 110bcd. Their new offerings promise to be stunners, at least in my opinion. On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even 180. 185mm would be nice for many. but I understand the reluctant mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter. People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and getting a bad chainline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: SKS/Berthoud fender review
The Honjos, 45s, are 559s and hammered, which may make them stiffer than the smooth VO 45 622s, but whatever the reason, they are stiffer and the metal seems harder. The front VO on the Moto will crimp slightly at the edges where it bends, either because of hitting (lightly; a solid blow would deform it) the long trailing edge on a curb or from ham handed adjustments. The fittings seem to be of similar quality in each case. I'd personally choose Honjos for a nice bike or for longer term investment, but I'd choose VOs over SKSes, not necessarily for longevity but simply because I've found metals to be quieter, longer and less prone to warping; and they are lighter, for wtw. The Berthouds I owned were 650B 50s. They seemed to dent more easily than any of the aluminums; can't say why. They were quite stiff and at least as sturdy (dents aside; I mean as to crimping, warping and bending, loosening) as the Honjos. Here an anecdote: I gave the trailing edge of the front a good, solid whack once when riding off a curb. The blow jammed the leading edge hard against the tire, but it did not crimp the fender or, at least, did so only slightly. The VOs would have bent severely, and probably the Honjos would have crimped, too. They are the heaviest of the lot. I prefer the aluminum for the combination of strength, looks and weight (Honjos) or cost and weight (VO). IIRC: Aluminums about 1 lb/pair; SKSes about 1 1/2 lb, Berthouds about 2 lb. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Since you tried all 3 main brands, can you tell me if you have any preferences? Are the Honjos worth it? I love some VO products (the seatpost), but others just seem cheaply made out of inferior materials (i.e the bags), in which case I'd rather spend double or triple and get something really nice and durable. Gernot On Mar 13, 10:10 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: T On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: I was under the impression that they are more rattley, but perhaps leather washers solve that. I've used Honjos, VOs and Berthouds, and found that they rattle less because they flex less, regardless of leather washers (which, I understand, you use to allow a bit of flex between fender and frame and thus prevent cracking). (The front VO 45 on the Motobecane rattles only because I used pop rivets to hold on the L bracket on instead of tight, loctited screws.) SKSes seem to be far less rattly than Zefals (ugh!) or PBs. Also, I have never had composite fenders warp. Which brands have you had warping problems with? I've left my bike in the back of my car, resting on the SKS fender, and had it warp, not permanently but for a few days until, released, it relaxed. I daresay that the SKSes are actually stronger than some of the metals, since they will -- as your experience shows -- bounce back, but in seven or eight years of using metals, I've had no breakage or undue damage despite somewhat careless treatment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ebay outing: 62cm Legolas
I'm enjoying mine too. It really is a worthy road bike. Mine's copper also; I think there are only 2 in copper. jim m wc ca On Mar 12, 4:58 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say I am really enjoying my new (last fall) Legolas. It is a Roadeo with wider tire tolerances, well and a higher BB and probably other differences. But I believe it shares the light tube set. The fork has the wonderful french bend that my Curt built custrom doesn't. It has a spritely road feel. I highly recommend this frame. Wish I would have waited for this price. Except I love my copper color. On Mar 12, 3:41 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180479994729 From Dublin Ireland, but shipping is pretty reasonable. I've always thought of these as really special bikes. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: ebay outing: 62cm Legolas
I've always been intrigued by the Legolas frames. Light weight, fat tire clearances, taller BB, what's not to like! I remember the copper ones on the frame page, good buy! On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: I'm enjoying mine too. It really is a worthy road bike. Mine's copper also; I think there are only 2 in copper. jim m wc ca On Mar 12, 4:58 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say I am really enjoying my new (last fall) Legolas. It is a Roadeo with wider tire tolerances, well and a higher BB and probably other differences. But I believe it shares the light tube set. The fork has the wonderful french bend that my Curt built custrom doesn't. It has a spritely road feel. I highly recommend this frame. Wish I would have waited for this price. Except I love my copper color. On Mar 12, 3:41 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180479994729 From Dublin Ireland, but shipping is pretty reasonable. I've always thought of these as really special bikes. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
+1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SKS/Berthoud fender review
In my experience, aluminum fenders warp easily compared to steel and sks. Steel seem more dent prone. I had my wood working nephew make a rounded piece of oak the size of the inside of my fender which taps out dents. A fender with dents is usable. Warped has to go to recycling. As such, I have Berthouds on my city bike and will have Berthouds on my 650b. My camper has SKS. Until seeing this thread, I was not aware of the Berthoud/SKS composites. I think I may get a set for the camper. On Mar 13, 8:48 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The Honjos, 45s, are 559s and hammered, which may make them stiffer than the smooth VO 45 622s, but whatever the reason, they are stiffer and the metal seems harder. The front VO on the Moto will crimp slightly at the edges where it bends, either because of hitting (lightly; a solid blow would deform it) the long trailing edge on a curb or from ham handed adjustments. The fittings seem to be of similar quality in each case. I'd personally choose Honjos for a nice bike or for longer term investment, but I'd choose VOs over SKSes, not necessarily for longevity but simply because I've found metals to be quieter, longer and less prone to warping; and they are lighter, for wtw. The Berthouds I owned were 650B 50s. They seemed to dent more easily than any of the aluminums; can't say why. They were quite stiff and at least as sturdy (dents aside; I mean as to crimping, warping and bending, loosening) as the Honjos. Here an anecdote: I gave the trailing edge of the front a good, solid whack once when riding off a curb. The blow jammed the leading edge hard against the tire, but it did not crimp the fender or, at least, did so only slightly. The VOs would have bent severely, and probably the Honjos would have crimped, too. They are the heaviest of the lot. I prefer the aluminum for the combination of strength, looks and weight (Honjos) or cost and weight (VO). IIRC: Aluminums about 1 lb/pair; SKSes about 1 1/2 lb, Berthouds about 2 lb. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Since you tried all 3 main brands, can you tell me if you have any preferences? Are the Honjos worth it? I love some VO products (the seatpost), but others just seem cheaply made out of inferior materials (i.e the bags), in which case I'd rather spend double or triple and get something really nice and durable. Gernot On Mar 13, 10:10 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: T On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: I was under the impression that they are more rattley, but perhaps leather washers solve that. I've used Honjos, VOs and Berthouds, and found that they rattle less because they flex less, regardless of leather washers (which, I understand, you use to allow a bit of flex between fender and frame and thus prevent cracking). (The front VO 45 on the Motobecane rattles only because I used pop rivets to hold on the L bracket on instead of tight, loctited screws.) SKSes seem to be far less rattly than Zefals (ugh!) or PBs. Also, I have never had composite fenders warp. Which brands have you had warping problems with? I've left my bike in the back of my car, resting on the SKS fender, and had it warp, not permanently but for a few days until, released, it relaxed. I daresay that the SKSes are actually stronger than some of the metals, since they will -- as your experience shows -- bounce back, but in seven or eight years of using metals, I've had no breakage or undue damage despite somewhat careless treatment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Michal On Mar 13, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:26 -0800, MichaelH wrote: Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Does billet cranks mean CNC rather than forged? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Since Billet Aluminum is just a chunk of Al, yes, they would be CNC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. DaVinci is nice. Unless you have months to wait, or happen to call DaVinci when it has a single crank your size and specs, however, $100.00 is not much a premium to get what you want when you want it. I like the DaVinci (White) high polish, but the Carmina matte finish probably goes with more color schemes. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. When White first came out with the VBC the specs showed silver rings would be available. Apparently production issues mean they are available only in black. Otherwise I agree wholly the White is a very good option. On Mar 13, 10:26 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Michal On Mar 13, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. On Mar 13, 10:54 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 3/13/10 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote: Does billet cranks mean CNC rather than forged? Not specifically. Billet is the bar stock of metal. You could use the billet in a forging die setup (cold forged, hot forged or near-net forged would be three common options), or machine it using a CNC machine. The White cranks are referred to as machined from billet which would suggest the latter. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
As Michael Hechmer wrote: I like the Cospea very much. It is gorgeous and works great. +23 to that. The Cospea is among the most beautiful cranks ever made, in my eyes. The only ones as attractive are the TA Zephyr Light and the first-and-second generation Shimano Dura-Ace (7400 or 7402), also cold-forged. Dave, who gets amused by his own crank arm aesthetics == Michael Hechmer wrote: I like the Cospea very much. It is gorgeous and works great. I also have a double / triple from DaVinci which is about the same price and is also a great crank. It is actually made by White Ind. and has the advantage of fitting on a pretty short BB, so you can save some money by keeping your current BB. That said, the velo orange version of the Sugino crank looks very good, a step up from the XD2 but not nearly as expensive as the other two. Both the Cospea and and the White are lower Q than the XD2, which I also appreciate. Happy shopping. Michael On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, How do you like that Sugino Cospea from Jitensha? I am considering that or maybe this one from Ben's: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=6455 The Jitensha is considerably more expensive and I realize they are not the exact same part but I don't know which way to go. This is for a D58Kogswell which has never performed quite the way it should as a 9 speed triple. Going to try a compact double and will have to get a new bottom bracket in the process. Thanks. John On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid I missed this announcement and don't see any new dbls on the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitensha http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to, but understated compared to the Mity Tour. Michael On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:06 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Screwing around with names (was Rodeos and other Rivs)
I liked your train of thought here and set about seeing exactly what kinds of things might began with Bam!! Of course, Wikipedia was the easiest source to begin with. Though the first item listed is Bam is commonly used as a onomatopoeia for a sound, mostly that of an impact or collision. So, off the bat, not the best start. However it gets slightly better. Below, in my mind, is the option with the most potential. I esp. liked the part about the well-dressing festival !! So..maybe someday, we'll see a Rivendell Bamford.probably not though!!! Bamford is a village in the Derbyshire Peak District, England, close to the River Derwent. To the north-east is Bamford Edge, and to the south-east the location of the water treatment works covering the Ladybower, Derwent and Howden Reservoirs. According to the 2001 census it had a population of 1,184.[1] The village is served by Bamford railway station on the Hope Valley Line. The parish church of St John the Baptist was built c. 1860.[2] There are also Methodist and Catholic churches in the village. The village graveyard also contains some re-interred graves from the nearly villages of Derwent and Ashopton which were drowned following the creation of Ladybower Reservoir.[3] Bamford water mill has been turned into flats but some of the original machinery still remains. The village also has a sculpture trail and, in mid-July, there is a well-dressing festival. Bamford has 4 public houses, the Derwent Hotel (temporarily closed), the Anglers Rest, the Ladybower Inn and the Yorkshire Bridge Inn, once home to former Blue Peter presenter Peter Purves[4] Across the valley is Thornhill Hall, once the seat of the Eyres who were a large family of landed gentry in this part of Derbyshire. Further up the valley are the Ladybower, Derwent and Howden dams. Nearby are the villages of Shatton, Bradwell (well-known for its ice cream), Hope, Hathersage, Eyam and Castleton, famous for its Blue John stone. On Mar 12, 7:49 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Your word order made me realize something. Do you all realize that the when/if the Soma bike starts being made, the following bikes will be a part of Rivendell history: Ram/Rom/Sam/Som And it will be important that we be allowed to abbreviate the Soma name this way and benefit from the time saving from not having to write that cumbersom a at the end. Currently, there's a Bom, but no Bam. They might have to make a new bike now. (Kind of like how astronomers discovered Neptune by looking where it should be theoretically based on the gravity patterns that had finally been fully described.) -Original Message- From: PATRICK MOORE Sent: Mar 12, 2010 7:09 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Rodeos and other Rivs All this talk about the new Rodeo prompts me to ask how it rides compared to the other Riv models: Ram, Rom, Sam, AHH, Atlantis, Legolas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Hunquapillar Video
Any locals have guesses on their route? On Mar 12, 11:30 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Way cool! The best video I've seen in a long time; really shows the versatility. And the bike looks kinda neat in bare metal. I'm always envious of people who can take photos / videos from their bike. dougP On Mar 11, 2:16 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: Great video make by Vaughn (camera) and Jay (riding and editing). Just posted on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2W2--ku0zM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale Listings
Hi Everyone, I have added new items to my for sale listings. Also included are pics of the Rawland tthat I have listed for sale. I would like to sell the bike as a whole, but I realize that the people who might be interested would also like to build up the bike as they see fit. For this reason, I am willing to part it out and have listed prices for the Frame/Fork+headset and have set prices for the individual components. You can see everything here: http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2010/02/for-sale-listings.html Thanks, Joe _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] ALMOST Spring..
Wore my Addidas Sambas with thin wool socks today for the 1st time on a ride this year! Since it was very windy and drizzling on and off, I also needed a Showers Pass jacket, lots of wool and wind proof gloves, but it felt like progress was being made. Rode a rural hilly route in the western part of our county (Where Lady Bird Johnson spent part of her childhood, as it happens) with a friend. Mostly paved, some gravel. Redbuds, crabapples, pears all starting to bloom. highway shoulders and medians are green again. Nice... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? I am no metallurgist so cannot answer the question from any sort of technical perspective. The White Eno on my commuter is stiff, attractive and light. So far its held up well. Originally plan for the 650b (whenever I will get the frame) was to use a TA Carmina. But I came on a perfect condition nos late '80s Shimano Deore at a swap meet recently, and could not pass it up. On Mar 13, 12:18 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:06 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ALMOST Spring..
Classic blustery day in Chicago. Windy, rainy, not terribly cold. I set out mid-morning after the overnight storm passed. Unfortunately, about an hour in, the rain came back with some impressive wind gusts. My cashmere sweater kept me warm enough. Still would not call it a pleasant ride, however. On Mar 13, 4:12 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Wore my Addidas Sambas with thin wool socks today for the 1st time on a ride this year! Since it was very windy and drizzling on and off, I also needed a Showers Pass jacket, lots of wool and wind proof gloves, but it felt like progress was being made. Rode a rural hilly route in the western part of our county (Where Lady Bird Johnson spent part of her childhood, as it happens) with a friend. Mostly paved, some gravel. Redbuds, crabapples, pears all starting to bloom. highway shoulders and medians are green again. Nice... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ALMOST Spring..
Raining now in Seattle (shocker) but it was nice this morning if bit windy had a nice sunny ride along puget sound, and I too was glad to have wool on: socks, and a wool base layer and sweater On Mar 13, 2:24 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Classic blustery day in Chicago. Windy, rainy, not terribly cold. I set out mid-morning after the overnight storm passed. Unfortunately, about an hour in, the rain came back with some impressive wind gusts. My cashmere sweater kept me warm enough. Still would not call it a pleasant ride, however. On Mar 13, 4:12 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Wore my Addidas Sambas with thin wool socks today for the 1st time on a ride this year! Since it was very windy and drizzling on and off, I also needed a Showers Pass jacket, lots of wool and wind proof gloves, but it felt like progress was being made. Rode a rural hilly route in the western part of our county (Where Lady Bird Johnson spent part of her childhood, as it happens) with a friend. Mostly paved, some gravel. Redbuds, crabapples, pears all starting to bloom. highway shoulders and medians are green again. Nice...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Based on this whole crank discussion, I've been wondering 1. Are there any cranks to be avoided? Nobody much complains about their cranks as long as the fit (length and Q factor) are ok. This is compared to brakes where you hear a lot of discussion/complaints about squealing, finicky setup, and poor stopping power. As for me, I've used and liked pretty much every crank I've tried, including old sakae square taper, various shimano 600, sugino XD, various shimano Hollowtech-II cranks in 105, ultegra, R700, and Dura-Ace flavors, and even some cheap Campy Veloce cranks. They have all seemed fine. 2. Are some people avoiding the Hollowtech-II cranks with external bearings because they don't come in various Q factors (AFAIK)? ...Roy On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ALMOST Spring..
Here in Portland the streets were wet and the sky grey but the sun started to poke out here and there. I got out for a 1.5hr ride up to Skyline and looped around and came back home. Then I got out on the QB for a while just noodling around town. A few brief showers but overall a very nice time on the bike. I feel pretty fortunate, winter hasn't been too bad here in Portland this year. Next weekend is my first brevet of the year--the Birkie 200k. The last two years it has rained. It sure would be nice to have a dry Birkie this year. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
1. Are there any cranks to be avoided? Well, you want to avoid cranks that have BCDs inconsistent with your riding ability and preference. Q and compatibility with your bottom bracket spindle (unless you plan to get a new one) are important too. if you pay big bucks for a pretty bike, an unattractive or ill matching crank will certainly stick out like sore thumb. On Mar 13, 5:29 pm, Roy Yates roydya...@gmail.com wrote: Based on this whole crank discussion, I've been wondering 1. Are there any cranks to be avoided? Nobody much complains about their cranks as long as the fit (length and Q factor) are ok. This is compared to brakes where you hear a lot of discussion/complaints about squealing, finicky setup, and poor stopping power. As for me, I've used and liked pretty much every crank I've tried, including old sakae square taper, various shimano 600, sugino XD, various shimano Hollowtech-II cranks in 105, ultegra, R700, and Dura-Ace flavors, and even some cheap Campy Veloce cranks. They have all seemed fine. 2. Are some people avoiding the Hollowtech-II cranks with external bearings because they don't come in various Q factors (AFAIK)? ...Roy On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SBC moose-style bar FS
SOLD. Thanks much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ALMOST Spring..
Rode 30 miles today in the Twin Cities. Warmer than normal but windy. Still don't have the Hillborne outside yet. Maybe tomorrow. More likely next weekend. Am really pushing the envelope by taking the studded tires off the bikes last night. Both my wife and I noticed the pound and a half weight drop. Probably means a couple more big snowstorms will hit before spring actually arrives. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 13, 5:40�pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Here in Portland the streets were wet and the sky grey but the sun started to poke out here and there. I got out for a 1.5hr ride up to Skyline and looped around and came back home. Then I got out on the QB for a while just noodling around town. A few brief showers but overall a very nice time on the bike. I feel pretty fortunate, winter hasn't been too bad here in Portland this year. Next weekend is my first brevet of the year--the Birkie 200k. The last two years it has rained. It sure would be nice to have a dry Birkie this year. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Fargo Street Hill Climb - Los Angeles, Sunday
Is anybody going to check this out tomorrow morning? I just found out about it, and my brother and I are going to head out there tomorrow morning and get there around 9:30. It could be a nice little cycling social event. http://www.lawheelmen.org/fargo.htm I'll probably give it a go on either a Rivendell or a Bridgestone. I have to decide which bike now. It won't be a Quickbeam. -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I don't particularly like the look of the Davinci or the TA Carmina cranks. I do love Campagnolo's last generation Record/Chorus triples, that were unfortunately discontinued. These cranks are sleek, beautifully finished (polished and anodized) and can be had rather cheaply ($100 for a NOS) if one is patient on eBay. The Q-factor is not more than 160mm and that isn't unreasonably wide for a triple. About the only significant blemish is that they usually come in a 53/42/30 configuration that I understand isn't terribly useful for some (including myself, for the most part). Nevertheless, at $100, you can get whatever chainrings* you wish at Ribble and still be below $200 total, especially if you sell the originals as these can fetch at least $40 on eBay when new. Another complicating factor is that these cranks use the ISO taper and the spindle is asymmetrical, so you either have to use the correct Campagnolo or Phil's version. Even accounting for the essentially proprietary and thus rather expensive bottom bracket, the total bill is still a reasonable $300 or whereabouts for the crank, bottom bracket and . * TA or Stronglight chainrings; only limited to a low of 39T by the 135mm BCD. The granny can be anyone's 74mm BCD chainring (24T minimum). On Mar 13, 8:26 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Michal On Mar 13, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Screwing around with names (was Rodeos and other Rivs)
Bamford works for me! As I was born in Derbyshire, it sounded a bit familiar...as did Derwent house...I hope there is more than one, because we are supposed to be staying in the Derwent house in Matlock in July. My All-Rounder made a trip to the peak district and enjoyed it very much! http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/2434644040/ The peaks in the Peak District are not very high, but the roads go straight up them...felt like I was going to flip over backwards a few times...good brakes are a benefit too. Loved it! On back roads fenders are a must! If not for the rain, for the cow manure Angus On Mar 13, 12:24 pm, Beth betha.lu...@gmail.com wrote: I liked your train of thought here and set about seeing exactly what kinds of things might began with Bam!! Of course, Wikipedia was the easiest source to begin with. Though the first item listed is Bam is commonly used as a onomatopoeia for a sound, mostly that of an impact or collision. So, off the bat, not the best start. However it gets slightly better. Below, in my mind, is the option with the most potential. I esp. liked the part about the well-dressing festival !! So..maybe someday, we'll see a Rivendell Bamford.probably not though!!! Bamford is a village in the Derbyshire Peak District, England, close to the River Derwent. To the north-east is Bamford Edge, and to the south-east the location of the water treatment works covering the Ladybower, Derwent and Howden Reservoirs. According to the 2001 census it had a population of 1,184.[1] The village is served by Bamford railway station on the Hope Valley Line. The parish church of St John the Baptist was built c. 1860.[2] There are also Methodist and Catholic churches in the village. The village graveyard also contains some re-interred graves from the nearly villages of Derwent and Ashopton which were drowned following the creation of Ladybower Reservoir.[3] Bamford water mill has been turned into flats but some of the original machinery still remains. The village also has a sculpture trail and, in mid-July, there is a well-dressing festival. Bamford has 4 public houses, the Derwent Hotel (temporarily closed), the Anglers Rest, the Ladybower Inn and the Yorkshire Bridge Inn, once home to former Blue Peter presenter Peter Purves[4] Across the valley is Thornhill Hall, once the seat of the Eyres who were a large family of landed gentry in this part of Derbyshire. Further up the valley are the Ladybower, Derwent and Howden dams. Nearby are the villages of Shatton, Bradwell (well-known for its ice cream), Hope, Hathersage, Eyam and Castleton, famous for its Blue John stone. On Mar 12, 7:49 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Your word order made me realize something. Do you all realize that the when/if the Soma bike starts being made, the following bikes will be a part of Rivendell history: Ram/Rom/Sam/Som And it will be important that we be allowed to abbreviate the Soma name this way and benefit from the time saving from not having to write that cumbersom a at the end. Currently, there's a Bom, but no Bam. They might have to make a new bike now. (Kind of like how astronomers discovered Neptune by looking where it should be theoretically based on the gravity patterns that had finally been fully described.) -Original Message- From: PATRICK MOORE Sent: Mar 12, 2010 7:09 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Rodeos and other Rivs All this talk about the new Rodeo prompts me to ask how it rides compared to the other Riv models: Ram, Rom, Sam, AHH, Atlantis, Legolas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ALMOST Spring..
I wanted to take off the rear rack and move to my summer set up but resisted the urge... maybe next week. I've been riding with Strala Vinters for a while now - warm in cold temps and on snowy and rainy days they keep the moisture out. Looking forward to when they'll be uncomfortably hot. On Mar 13, 9:38 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Had a couple good days earlier this week in Philly. Last night and today we're getting Noah's Ark levels of rain. On Mar 13, 8:36 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Rode 30 miles today in the Twin Cities. Warmer than normal but windy. Still don't have the Hillborne outside yet. Maybe tomorrow. More likely next weekend. Am really pushing the envelope by taking the studded tires off the bikes last night. Both my wife and I noticed the pound and a half weight drop. Probably means a couple more big snowstorms will hit before spring actually arrives. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 13, 5:40 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Here in Portland the streets were wet and the sky grey but the sun started to poke out here and there. I got out for a 1.5hr ride up to Skyline and looped around and came back home. Then I got out on the QB for a while just noodling around town. A few brief showers but overall a very nice time on the bike. I feel pretty fortunate, winter hasn't been too bad here in Portland this year. Next weekend is my first brevet of the year--the Birkie 200k. The last two years it has rained. It sure would be nice to have a dry Birkie this year. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: ALMOST Spring..
I took of my studded tires last week. Nothing like the first commute without studded tires. Today, I got out for my first ride of the season on my Quickbeam. The first ride of the year on the Quickbeam reminds me how much I love that bike. I think the perfect complement to a Quickbeam would be a geared version of the Quickbeam (I know Riv has similar bikes but I would really like to see a bike that is just a geared version of the QB. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Rick Smith rick_sm...@sulfurstar.comwrote: I wanted to take off the rear rack and move to my summer set up but resisted the urge... maybe next week. I've been riding with Strala Vinters for a while now - warm in cold temps and on snowy and rainy days they keep the moisture out. Looking forward to when they'll be uncomfortably hot. On Mar 13, 9:38 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Had a couple good days earlier this week in Philly. Last night and today we're getting Noah's Ark levels of rain. On Mar 13, 8:36 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Rode 30 miles today in the Twin Cities. Warmer than normal but windy. Still don't have the Hillborne outside yet. Maybe tomorrow. More likely next weekend. Am really pushing the envelope by taking the studded tires off the bikes last night. Both my wife and I noticed the pound and a half weight drop. Probably means a couple more big snowstorms will hit before spring actually arrives. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 13, 5:40 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Here in Portland the streets were wet and the sky grey but the sun started to poke out here and there. I got out for a 1.5hr ride up to Skyline and looped around and came back home. Then I got out on the QB for a while just noodling around town. A few brief showers but overall a very nice time on the bike. I feel pretty fortunate, winter hasn't been too bad here in Portland this year. Next weekend is my first brevet of the year--the Birkie 200k. The last two years it has rained. It sure would be nice to have a dry Birkie this year. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Creation of a lug
Peter posted this in the 650b list, and I think it's a great thing to pass on here. Shows the development of a custom lug, and is a thing of beauty! http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/sets/72157623613825396/ -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
on 3/13/10 10:18 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:06 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? My personal bias would be towards cold-forged. That being said, the White Industries cranks are one of the few CNC'd cranksets I'd consider. I've ranted a bit about cranks in general over on my blog, and much of it is really outside the topic of this list. http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=399 Pulling some early-90's recollection out of the memory cave (in other words IIRC), depending upon how you spec your billet, you can get some of the benefits of forging. I'm sure some metallurgist will correct me if I'm wrong, but I do recall that you can gain some of the directional benefits within the metal when it the billet gets formed - there may be a die step involved (as well as the various alloys of aluminum). As long as you do your CNC work (or _any_ type of machining) with this in mind, you can minimize the risk of breakage. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - Send them here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, and went in. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
