[RBW] Re: duluth pack
Also own bags from both companies. And do remember it was covered extensively on this list a few years ago. (About the time both Bill and myself each found the box of bags in the store at Duluth Pack.) Do want to mention that the current Duluth Pack bags appear to be made from their regular cloth. Not waxed canvas. More like the Carradice canvas. Also, like others, was a bit surprised to see the Hobo bag used as a saddlebag. Can see how it might work. Eric Platt (who has Hobo and Little Joe bags on his bike) On May 17, 11:03�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, it was Frost River who last made the Baggins bags, and there was a difference in opinion over who owned those designs once Riv's contract with them ended. Frost River was/is selling the exact same Baggins-design bags under their own label though it sounded from Grant's post at the time that they had no license or agreement to do so. I'm sure there's plenty about it in the old Riv list archives. I understand why Rivendell has moved on, but I like this style of bag a lot. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Check out Frost River, which, after a hiatus, is back in the saddle. I believe when the Frost River folks parted ways with Duluth Pack folks, they got the old riv patterns in the deal? �I'm guessing it was Frost River that was making the Baggins Keven's Bag and the Baggins Loafers before Baggins Hobits went away to be replaced by the Sackville Hobits--worksmanship on the Baggins looks identical to other Frost River products I own. �But you'll see these FR bags are truer to the old Baggins saddlebag and pannier designs than the new Duluth Packs. �Incidently, I love both companies. cheers, liesl in minneapolis http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/bikebags_menu.html On May 17, 11:20�am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, � � I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again. Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part. � � Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Waxing the chain?
In the 3d world, at least where I was, it was installed once and never replaced. Hell, even brake pads were sometimes -- very rarely but sometimes -- replaced. Not chains. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 18:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Well, Duh!! Because a chain is a permanent part of the bicycle infrastructure, like the frame, bars and brake pads. only if it's rusted in place, otherwise it's a replaceable wear item -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Maybe WTB: 59 Bleriot?
On May 16, 6:26 pm, terryg teg...@gmail.com wrote: RoadieRyan, am I correct in understanding there are unpurchased Bleriots out there somewhere? I sure do like building my wheels bikes, but a complete Bleriot is certainly considerable, and of course personalizable. can't speak for Ryan, but I just picked up a new bleriot (complete bike) about a month ago at my LBS. I think they have another in stock. small size. maybe a 53? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: duluth pack
Doug P ran a Hobo as a saddle bag for a while. Looked like it worked fine. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:09 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Also own bags from both companies. And do remember it was covered extensively on this list a few years ago. (About the time both Bill and myself each found the box of bags in the store at Duluth Pack.) Do want to mention that the current Duluth Pack bags appear to be made from their regular cloth. Not waxed canvas. More like the Carradice canvas. Also, like others, was a bit surprised to see the Hobo bag used as a saddlebag. Can see how it might work. Eric Platt (who has Hobo and Little Joe bags on his bike) On May 17, 11:03�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, it was Frost River who last made the Baggins bags, and there was a difference in opinion over who owned those designs once Riv's contract with them ended. Frost River was/is selling the exact same Baggins-design bags under their own label though it sounded from Grant's post at the time that they had no license or agreement to do so. I'm sure there's plenty about it in the old Riv list archives. I understand why Rivendell has moved on, but I like this style of bag a lot. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Check out Frost River, which, after a hiatus, is back in the saddle. I believe when the Frost River folks parted ways with Duluth Pack folks, they got the old riv patterns in the deal? �I'm guessing it was Frost River that was making the Baggins Keven's Bag and the Baggins Loafers before Baggins Hobits went away to be replaced by the Sackville Hobits--worksmanship on the Baggins looks identical to other Frost River products I own. �But you'll see these FR bags are truer to the old Baggins saddlebag and pannier designs than the new Duluth Packs. �Incidently, I love both companies. cheers, liesl in minneapolis http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/bikebags_menu.html On May 17, 11:20�am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, � � I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again. Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part. � � Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: duluth pack
Any connection between Frost River and Frostline? On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:33 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Doug P ran a Hobo as a saddle bag for a while. Looked like it worked fine. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:09 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Also own bags from both companies. And do remember it was covered extensively on this list a few years ago. (About the time both Bill and myself each found the box of bags in the store at Duluth Pack.) Do want to mention that the current Duluth Pack bags appear to be made from their regular cloth. Not waxed canvas. More like the Carradice canvas. Also, like others, was a bit surprised to see the Hobo bag used as a saddlebag. Can see how it might work. Eric Platt (who has Hobo and Little Joe bags on his bike) On May 17, 11:03�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, it was Frost River who last made the Baggins bags, and there was a difference in opinion over who owned those designs once Riv's contract with them ended. Frost River was/is selling the exact same Baggins-design bags under their own label though it sounded from Grant's post at the time that they had no license or agreement to do so. I'm sure there's plenty about it in the old Riv list archives. I understand why Rivendell has moved on, but I like this style of bag a lot. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Check out Frost River, which, after a hiatus, is back in the saddle. I believe when the Frost River folks parted ways with Duluth Pack folks, they got the old riv patterns in the deal? �I'm guessing it was Frost River that was making the Baggins Keven's Bag and the Baggins Loafers before Baggins Hobits went away to be replaced by the Sackville Hobits--worksmanship on the Baggins looks identical to other Frost River products I own. �But you'll see these FR bags are truer to the old Baggins saddlebag and pannier designs than the new Duluth Packs. �Incidently, I love both companies. cheers, liesl in minneapolis http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/bikebags_menu.html On May 17, 11:20�am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, � � I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again. Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part. � � Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Maybe WTB: 59 Bleriot?
There is a new 61cm Bleriot frame/fork at Elliot Bay Bicycles in Seattle. Rob in Seattle On May 16, 6:26 pm, terryg teg...@gmail.com wrote: RoadieRyan, am I correct in understanding there are unpurchased Bleriots out there somewhere? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cycle Salt Lake Century
On May 17, 1:24 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders. Is that the green Sam, which you said you would post some good pictures of? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Our New Retirement Watch
The brakes? Se my post on the discussion of Paul's brakes currently underway. Beausage? As I said the first ride was in the rain and the second through a two mile dust bowl My son asked for those pictures too. I told him looking at bike porn is one thing, but dirty pictures is hard core! Actually, it picked up a couple of small scratches during the trip home in the two suitcases. But it wasn't intended to be an art object in a gallery window. Michael On May 14, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That's really spectacular. congrats on the purchase and the retirement. I'd love to see it with beausage also. How'd you like the brakes? On May 14, 10:41 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, the Riv content here is limited to a few parts and philosophy. Forgive the double postings, but wanted to share. Jim, I'll send something for the Cyclofiend site soon. After 30 years of riding together we splurged big on our first tandem. It's a good thing we took some pictures right away because the first ride included a driving rainstorm, and on the second we discovered the town had just graded our dirt road, leaving us with two miles of two inch sand rock into town. A dust bowl, so it doesn't look so pretty right now. http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076view=gridbgcolor=blacksel=2 Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Selle Anatomica
FS:Selle Anatomica Titanico LD Watershed leather Laminated Brown no slot.Almost new.$75.00 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: VO Front Constructeur Rack
Hey guys I’m moving, so I would like to get rid of this rack. I replaced it with the similar Nitto rack that has removable pannier mounts because I will be taking a tour down the west coast next month. It’s drilled and bent on the rear tang to be attached to the brake bolt, and on the bottom tangs to fit on the back fork eyelets of my Bleriot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7527...@n04/4616825928/ I’m not sure what kind of responses I will receive, so... $40 obo (including shipping) Tim Quijano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Our New Retirement Watch
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, the Riv content here is limited to a few parts and philosophy. Forgive the double postings, but wanted to share. Jim, I'll send something for the Cyclofiend site soon. After 30 years of riding together we splurged big on our first tandem. It's a good thing we took some pictures right away because the first ride included a driving rainstorm, and on the second we discovered the town had just graded our dirt road, leaving us with two miles of two inch sand rock into town. A dust bowl, so it doesn't look so pretty right now. http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076view=gridbgcolor=blacksel=2 Congratulations, a great retirement gift idea and a beautiful bike. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Buncher Sighting
On my way home from work I saw a dapper looking gent on a beautiful blue Riv custom riding around the golf course in B'wood. Based on previous Flikr sightings, I'd say it was Aaron Thomas but it was a fleeting glimpse. I was jealous you were on your bike while I was in may car. FYI, my office is about 2 minutes from the course. I'm thinking an after-work jaunt up into the hills might be in order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Buncher Sighting
B'wood = Bollywood? Belleau Wood? On May 18, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: On my way home from work I saw a dapper looking gent on a beautiful blue Riv custom riding around the golf course in B'wood. Based on previous Flikr sightings, I'd say it was Aaron Thomas but it was a fleeting glimpse. I was jealous you were on your bike while I was in may car. FYI, my office is about 2 minutes from the course. I'm thinking an after-work jaunt up into the hills might be in order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Buncher Sighting
Brentwood, CA. I'm 99% sure it was Aaron since he haunts the same locales as I. Brad On May 18, 11:40 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: B'wood = Bollywood? Belleau Wood? On May 18, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: On my way home from work I saw a dapper looking gent on a beautiful blue Riv custom riding around the golf course in B'wood. Based on previous Flikr sightings, I'd say it was Aaron Thomas but it was a fleeting glimpse. I was jealous you were on your bike while I was in may car. FYI, my office is about 2 minutes from the course. I'm thinking an after-work jaunt up into the hills might be in order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Buncher Sighting
PS- Where did all the posts go? I only see that last one. On May 18, 11:40 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: B'wood = Bollywood? Belleau Wood? On May 18, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: On my way home from work I saw a dapper looking gent on a beautiful blue Riv custom riding around the golf course in B'wood. Based on previous Flikr sightings, I'd say it was Aaron Thomas but it was a fleeting glimpse. I was jealous you were on your bike while I was in may car. FYI, my office is about 2 minutes from the course. I'm thinking an after-work jaunt up into the hills might be in order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cycle Salt Lake Century
'tis. Nikon is back from the shop. Will try to get some pics this weekend. D.G. On May 17, 7:32 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On May 17, 1:24 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Enjoyed a wonderful century ride on my new Sam on Saturday, complete with a mini-front rack, small Trunksack and fenders. Is that the green Sam, which you said you would post some good pictures of? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH tire clearance
I am running Schwalbe Marathons 622-42 with the 45mm SKS fenders. The tires have an actual width of 40mm and height of 41mm on Synergy Velocity rims. There is perhaps less clearance than others would like with the fenders, but I never have a problem. There is about 1/4 between the fender and the tire. Dylan On May 15, 9:25 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell list the AHH clearance as 38mm with fenders, but is that actual, or just for a tire labeled 38 mm, which is more likely 35 actual? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Today's Cycling Photo
Saw these flowers on the way back to the office after lunch: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/4619820372_ddb6797545_b.jpg Riv content: steel town bike with fenders and basket --Eric Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Selle Anatomica
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:06 AM, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: FS:Selle Anatomica Titanico LD Watershed leather Laminated Brown no slot.Almost new.$75.00 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Rene: What size frames do you want to compare? I have a 58 cm Atlantis and it's never flexy, even with +/- 40 lbs of camping gear strapped on. Actually rides pretty smooth with that load. I don't think I'd want anything stiffer, but I've never been on a double TT bike. dougP On May 18, 11:09 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH tire clearance
Here's an AHH with 42mm schwalbe marathons and fenders. http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/290/original_My_bike.pdf On May 18, 3:34 pm, wile dylanmcner...@yahoo.com wrote: I am running Schwalbe Marathons 622-42 with the 45mm SKS fenders. The tires have an actual width of 40mm and height of 41mm on Synergy Velocity rims. There is perhaps less clearance than others would like with the fenders, but I never have a problem. There is about 1/4 between the fender and the tire. Dylan On May 15, 9:25 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell list the AHH clearance as 38mm with fenders, but is that actual, or just for a tire labeled 38 mm, which is more likely 35 actual? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Roadeo vs. 1988 Huffy
Did you see this May 17 Cycling News article about Andy Hampsten's lugged-steel frame that he rode to victory in the 1988 Giro d'Italia? www.cyclingnews.com/features/historic-pro-bike-andy-hampstens-1988-7-eleven-huffy-giro-ditalia I was struck by the similarities among design criteria for a 1988 race bike and the Riv Roadeo (with the exception of perhaps fender clearance). It weighed 19.7 lbs without pedals. And I love this quote: 'The year after '88 we had Eddy Merckx as our bike supplier,' [Hampsten] continued. 'He is the master at fitting bikes to riders and taught us not to get hung up on light bikes. Why save seconds on a climb and lose minutes on a descent? [John] Slawta certainly has an old world style of making bikes that go up and downhill properly.' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Jim M's Rivendell Legolas in the CX Gallery
Three updates to the CX Gallery today, with Jim's fine bronze Legolas proudly at #63 - http://cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx063-jimmather0510.html - Jim continuing to winnow down the backlog... -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: VO Front Constructeur Rack
Sale Pending On May 17, 2:34 pm, Tim timquij...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys I’m moving, so I would like to get rid of this rack. I replaced it with the similar Nitto rack that has removable pannier mounts because I will be taking a tour down the west coast next month. It’s drilled and bent on the rear tang to be attached to the brake bolt, and on the bottom tangs to fit on the back fork eyelets of my Bleriot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7527...@n04/4616825928/ I’m not sure what kind of responses I will receive, so... $40 obo (including shipping) Tim Quijano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Doug, I was actually interested in the comparison of a 60 Bombadil with a 61 Atlantis. I know how stout the Bombadil is, I own a 60. However, I'm getting more and more concerned with the standover height, which is very there for me as well as the fact that I'm unable to bring the Noodle bars any closer due to the top tube length. My 61 AHH fits perfectly and the 61 Atlantis is pretty much identical with even slightly more standover clearance. That's why I started considering the 61 Atlantis. At this time, I don't want to go to a 56 Bombadil because it would require getting the 650B wheelset (I have 2 36 spoked 700c Rich built wheelsets and 2 32 spoked lighter wheelsets that I use on the AHH). I also don't really like the way the Hunqa is going, with its diagonal second tube and its grey paint. I could change my mind as I explore these options, but for now, I'm just interested in what switching to the 61 Atlantis would mean. Not even sure I'm going to do it... just reassessing my options. René On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Rene: What size frames do you want to compare? I have a 58 cm Atlantis and it's never flexy, even with +/- 40 lbs of camping gear strapped on. Actually rides pretty smooth with that load. I don't think I'd want anything stiffer, but I've never been on a double TT bike. dougP On May 18, 11:09 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rodeo -- A Current Classic?
Yea - in terms of overall aesthetics, the Roadeo might be the closets to a classic road bike design in the current Riv line-up. They would, I suspect, ride quite differently (as you infer)! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On May 18, 2:11 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: While perusing the Rodeo photos the other day, I was struck by how similar the white + red Rodeo is to a 1962 Legnano that we built a while bike: Riv Rodeo:http://bit.ly/d2ZVRU RB 1962 Legnano:http://bit.ly/a1Ira4 I am not trying to draw any conclusions or comparisons between the two bikes ... I am merely impressed with Rivendell's ability to stay current while not really staying current at all. Timeless is a good descriptor. And yes, I hope to add a (black) Rodeo to my personal stable before the end of the year. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rodeo -- A Current Classic?
On May 18, 2:11 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: While perusing the Rodeo photos the other day, I was struck by how similar the white + red Rodeo is to a 1962 Legnano that we built a while bike: Riv Rodeo:http://bit.ly/d2ZVRU RB 1962 Legnano:http://bit.ly/a1Ira4 I am not trying to draw any conclusions or comparisons between the two bikes ... I am merely impressed with Rivendell's ability to stay current while not really staying current at all. Timeless is a good descriptor. Or is it just that the paint jobs are similar? This RS looks very close too: http://www.richardsachs.com/newvexroadgallery/pages/Newvex-FullSide.html Of course, the RS doesn't have eyelets or clearance for fenders, but for what he charges, I'm sure it can easily be added. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Rene, I can see how you would be interested in an Atlantis. It seems like all the Bombadils have exceptionally long TTs. I'd certainly go for a 64cm Atlantis before a 60cm Bombadil if I were getting a Riv touring bike. I bet you'd have no problem selling your Bombadil and replacing it with an Atlantis. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I have an 89.5 PBH and the 60 Bombadil feels pretty high up there. As I try bigger tires on the Bombadil, my concerns grow to the point I'm now starting to have second thoughts. I ride a 61 AHH and it fits perfectly; I'm actually considering a 61 Atlantis now... just thinking! René On May 11, 7:59 pm, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Im definately going with the 63cm Hilsen, and I just ordered a 60 Bombadil. Thanks for your input. jamison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica
Any word on the status of Selle An-Atomica as a company? I love their saddles. I hope the family continues on w/the business. LL On May 18, 1:59 pm, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:06 AM, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: FS:Selle Anatomica Titanico LD Watershed leather Laminated Brown no slot.Almost new.$75.00 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
That's exactly what Keven said... :-) I'm ultimately more concerned with the standover height than I am with the long top tube, although that is also a factor. Keven suggested Albatross bars for the Bombadil, but I'm very concerned those would lead to hand pain, just like the Moustaches did. I do love those Noodle bars! René On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I bet you'd have no problem selling your Bombadil and replacing it with an Atlantis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Saluki
After riding the Saluki for a few weeks, not on an exclusive basis, I think I know what that famous Riv ride feels like. Wow, how do they do that? So smooth and comfortable. It is better than my surly long haul trucker and definitely better than my carbon fiber bike. I just sit here thinking of my next ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Saluki
After riding the Saluki for a few weeks, not on an exclusive basis, I think I know what that famous Riv ride feels like. Wow, how do they do that? So smooth and comfortable. It is better than my surly long haul trucker and definitely better than my carbon fiber bike. I just sit here thinking of my next ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I actually got my 63cm hilsen, and i have just over an inch of space, the top tube fits perfectly. I really think a 61 would have been too small for me, and would have been close to not being able to get my bars higher than my saddle. my saddle height is right at 79, i'm not too worried about the 60cm bombadil, most of the time i will have one foot on the peddle when i stop, and that gives me even more room. its funny that i was so worried about the size at the time, i remeber as a kid riding my dads schwinn world tour that was way too big for me, i rode it off road, on mountain biking trails, and did small dirt jumps with it . i wasn't even tall enough to sit on the saddle. had to stand the whole time. never hurt myself once, until i tried to drop in with it on tom jone's half pipe. any how i wouldn't ride a bike that big now, but i had fun didn't get hurt. i guess two extra centimeters doesn't meen too much to me. if your thinking atlantis, what about the hunquapillar? jamison On May 18, 6:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I have an 89.5 PBH and the 60 Bombadil feels pretty high up there. As I try bigger tires on the Bombadil, my concerns grow to the point I'm now starting to have second thoughts. I ride a 61 AHH and it fits perfectly; I'm actually considering a 61 Atlantis now... just thinking! René On May 11, 7:59 pm, tucker jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Im definately going with the 63cm Hilsen, and I just ordered a 60 Bombadil. Thanks for your input. jamison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Saluki
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[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. I couldn't be happier. Out of curiosity how tall are you. I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Hi, Rene -- I have never ridden a Bombadill, much less own one. I do own a size 61 Atlantis that I have toured fully loaded with panniers. The longest tour was 2500 miles last summer on the ACA Western Express/Trans-Am (Partially). I noticed no flex or weakness whatsoever with the Atlantis. It is very stout. for comparison, my PBH is 87.5. I weigh 175 lbs. I carried as much as 45-50 pounds of gear/food/water last summer, plus weight of Nitto front and rear racks. Owning the Atlantis is why I am not particularly interested in a Bomb or even a Hunq. I'm not skilled enough riding off-road to get the most out of those two models, and neither can top the Atlantis for the sort of paved road riding I do. I own four Rivendells. The Atlantis will be the last of the brand that I part with. Ray From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:09:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis - Bombadil comparison Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
This is an interesting conversation. Every time I think about getting an even bigger frame, end up thinking more about reach more than standover. Based on these statements, I should be trying a 63cm frame. Yet about a year and a half ago straddled a 62 orange Quickbeam. The reach was so far my arms were fully extended on the hoods. Couldn't really even get to the drops. Maybe that bike had an unusually long stem. But to get that bike to work for me, would probably need a 7 or 8cm stem. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 18, 7:10�pm, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. �i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. �when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. �I couldn't be happier. �Out of curiosity how tall are you. �I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40�pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. Ren� -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
I'm 5'11. It seems to me that I might have a shorter torso but long arms and long legs. However, I've never been able to figure it out... :-) When I went for my first fit, they immediately put me on the 61 AHH and also had me test ride the Atlantis, I believe the 61 as well. I initially thought the 61 AHH was too big (coming from where I was coming from) so Mark had me test ride Grant's 58 AHH. After I did that, I realized the 61 was a better fit and trusted them from then on. When I decided I also wanted a Bombadil, Keven said the 60. He even had me try out the 64, but I trusted them again. After I got my 60 frame and built it up, I was initially concerned with the standover height as I had had to adpat to the higher standover height on the AHH compared to my previoius bikes, but had had no issues with the AHH. I even went back and they offered to take it back, but after test riding the 56, I found it too cramped and said I was keeping my 60. That is my story and I'm sticking to it! :-) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:10 PM, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. I couldn't be happier. Out of curiosity how tall are you. I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
When I had my Atlantis, it was not what I'd call a flexible bike. My weight was between about 285 and 240 before I sold it. Did a couple of S24O on the bike with probably 20 to 30 pounds of gear. No problems with it. If it hadn't been too small (and being too intent on a Hunqapillar) would not have sold it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 18, 7:14�pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, Rene -- I have never ridden a Bombadill, much less own one. �I do own a size 61 Atlantis that I have toured fully loaded with panniers. �The longest tour was 2500 miles last summer on the ACA Western Express/Trans-Am (Partially). �I noticed no flex or weakness whatsoever with the Atlantis. �It is very stout. �for comparison, my PBH is 87.5. �I weigh 175 lbs. �I carried as much as 45-50 pounds of gear/food/water last summer, plus weight of Nitto front and rear racks. Owning the Atlantis is why I am not particularly interested in a Bomb or even a Hunq. �I'm �not skilled enough riding off-road to get the most out of those two models, and neither can top the Atlantis for the sort of paved road riding I do. �I own four Rivendells. �The Atlantis will be the last of the brand that I part with. Ray From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:09:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis - Bombadil comparison Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! Ren� -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Rene -- I should add that I originally set my Atlantis up with Jitensha staright bars (they're not straight at all) and thumbies. I switched that combo out for Noodles and DT shifters, which I much prefer. In fact, I'm going to sell the Jitensha bars soon. From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 3:58:41 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison That's exactly what Keven said... :-) I'm ultimately more concerned with the standover height than I am with the long top tube, although that is also a factor. Keven suggested Albatross bars for the Bombadil, but I'm very concerned those would lead to hand pain, just like the Moustaches did. I do love those Noodle bars! René On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I bet you'd have no problem selling your Bombadil and replacing it with an Atlantis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
That's why I have 8 cm stems on my AHH and my Bombadil. If I wanted to run longer stems, I'd definitely need smaller frames. The issue would then be how much vertical stem and seatpost get exposed to get the proper heights and relationships. I could place the handlebar below the saddle... Oh wait! That's how I rode pre-Rivendell and I had the hand, neck and shoulder pain... I think I'm happy with my short 8 cm stems... ;-) René On 5/18/10, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: This is an interesting conversation. Every time I think about getting an even bigger frame, end up thinking more about reach more than standover. Based on these statements, I should be trying a 63cm frame. Yet about a year and a half ago straddled a 62 orange Quickbeam. The reach was so far my arms were fully extended on the hoods. Couldn't really even get to the drops. Maybe that bike had an unusually long stem. But to get that bike to work for me, would probably need a 7 or 8cm stem. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 18, 7:10�pm, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. �i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. �when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. �I couldn't be happier. �Out of curiosity how tall are you. �I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40�pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. Ren� -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: VO Front Constructeur Rack
Sold. Thanks for the interest. Tim On May 18, 11:23 am, Tim timquij...@gmail.com wrote: Sale Pending On May 17, 2:34 pm, Tim timquij...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys I’m moving, so I would like to get rid of this rack. I replaced it with the similar Nitto rack that has removable pannier mounts because I will be taking a tour down the west coast next month. It’s drilled and bent on the rear tang to be attached to the brake bolt, and on the bottom tangs to fit on the back fork eyelets of my Bleriot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7527...@n04/4616825928/ I’m not sure what kind of responses I will receive, so... $40 obo (including shipping) Tim Quijano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Ray, I agree with you on the Noodle bars. Still debating whether to order the Atlantis. Part of me believes it'll do what I need and fit me better; the other part says I'm too picky and I should just ride the Bombadil more... I'm traveling Thursday through Sunday, so I'll keep thinking about it. Thanks for your feedback. It's always very clear and helpful. René On 5/18/10, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rene -- I should add that I originally set my Atlantis up with Jitensha staright bars (they're not straight at all) and thumbies. I switched that combo out for Noodles and DT shifters, which I much prefer. In fact, I'm going to sell the Jitensha bars soon. From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 3:58:41 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison That's exactly what Keven said... :-) I'm ultimately more concerned with the standover height than I am with the long top tube, although that is also a factor. Keven suggested Albatross bars for the Bombadil, but I'm very concerned those would lead to hand pain, just like the Moustaches did. I do love those Noodle bars! René On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I bet you'd have no problem selling your Bombadil and replacing it with an Atlantis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
René I have both bikes - a 64 cm Atlantis and a 60 cm Bombadil. I have toured on both bikes and I ride each of them regularly. The Bombadil is definitely stiffer. That works for me because I weigh 210 and I like to climb out of the saddle even when I'm touring with a load. I also like to take advantage of rougher side routes like gravel roads and trails if the opportunity presents itself during a tour. I get a comfortable feeling of stability on the Bombadil that I like a lot. However, the Atlantis served me well as a touring bike and I'd still be touring on it if I hadn't bought the Bombadil. I bought the Bombadil primarily because I was in the market for an MTB that would fit me well enough to tour on while doing double duty as my regular trail bike. Honestly, I also thought the double top tubes looked kinda neat and that was a factor in my decision to purchase it. As for handling, I guess I'm not too critical of a judge if the bike rides well. I've got several bikes and they all have different characteristics that I adjust to after a few minutes in the saddle. Because my Bombadil and Atlantis are set-up so differently (tires, handlebars, wheels), I don't feel like I can give you a decent comparison of handling characteristics. On the road, I'm happy riding for long distances on either bike and both are fine on fast decents and in city traffic. Both handle graded dirt roads easily. The edge goes to the Bomb on trails, but that's also an issue of flat bars versus drops, 50mm tires versus 33's and thumb shifters versus DT's (Bomb versus Atlantis, respectively). Lastly, I'll say that I can relate to your concerns about sizing. I had a 66cm Atlantis that I just wasn't comfortable with - probably more of a mental issue than a sizing issue. I made the switch to a 64 after a couple of months of trying to convince myself that I was OK with the fit of the 66. I've got 3 Riv bikes (the other is a 64cm QB). All are about a size smaller than RBW recommends. I'm at the top end of the range for the Bombadil. I have a really long PBH for my size with a short torso. Even with a size smaller, I run short stems - dirt drops on the Bomb and QB and a 7cm technomic on the Atlantis. All three bikes fit nearly identically. Hope that helps, Dave On May 18, 11:09 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
On May 18, 3:53 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I was actually interested in the comparison of a 60 Bombadil with a 61 Atlantis. I know how stout the Bombadil is, I own a 60. However, I'm getting more and more concerned with the standover height, which is very there for me as well as the fact that I'm unable to bring the Noodle bars any closer due to the top tube length. My calculations show that that an 80mm Dirt Drop stem, which according to Rivendell has a 65mm horizontal extension, is the equivalent of a Nitto Technomic stem with a length of 8.1cm. Therefore, if you use a 6cm Technomic stem, you can get the bars 2cm closer to you. The reason that is the case is because a Nitto Technomic stem has to be raised more in order to achieve the same height as a Dirt Drop stem, and the more you raise the Technomic stem, the more it will come back towards you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
on 5/18/10 6:43 PM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: My calculations show that that an 80mm Dirt Drop stem, which according to Rivendell has a 65mm horizontal extension, is the equivalent of a Nitto Technomic stem with a length of 8.1cm. Therefore, if you use a 6cm Technomic stem, you can get the bars 2cm closer to you. The reason that is the case is because a Nitto Technomic stem has to be raised more in order to achieve the same height as a Dirt Drop stem, and the more you raise the Technomic stem, the more it will come back towards you. I'm not quite following your math (geometry?) on this. When they describe the horizontal extension as 65 mm, wouldn't that be the just 5 mm longer than a 6 cm Technomic stem? Extension is going to be the offset from the center bolt. The Technomic has to raised higher in the headtube (i.e. more stem showing) to have the bars at the same height. But, the extension is still 6 cm (60 mm). It was my understanding that the Dirt Drop and Technomic have the same quill (190 mm). Since the angle from the quill is higher, you end up with ~50-75 mm of more rise available on the Dirt Drop, before you hit max height, estimating from the images on the Riv site. So, I think that the Dirt Drop would actually allow you to be slightly closer, albeit at the tradeoff of higher bars. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Sizing on a A Homer Hilsen
Hey, I'm the same size and pretty excited about the 54cm Hunq. It's gonna' have around effective 60cm reach, single top tube and 700c X 60mm wheels. That could be perfect! On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: That's why I have 8 cm stems on my AHH and my Bombadil. If I wanted to run longer stems, I'd definitely need smaller frames. The issue would then be how much vertical stem and seatpost get exposed to get the proper heights and relationships. I could place the handlebar below the saddle... Oh wait! That's how I rode pre-Rivendell and I had the hand, neck and shoulder pain... I think I'm happy with my short 8 cm stems... ;-) René On 5/18/10, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: This is an interesting conversation. Every time I think about getting an even bigger frame, end up thinking more about reach more than standover. Based on these statements, I should be trying a 63cm frame. Yet about a year and a half ago straddled a 62 orange Quickbeam. The reach was so far my arms were fully extended on the hoods. Couldn't really even get to the drops. Maybe that bike had an unusually long stem. But to get that bike to work for me, would probably need a 7 or 8cm stem. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 18, 7:10�pm, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: its funny cause the atlantis was the first riv bike i was interested in. �i plan on getting another next year, but am afraid the 61 would be too small. �when i was concerned about the 61 vs 63 Keven suggested i just ride the 63 for a while and see what i thought. �I couldn't be happier. �Out of curiosity how tall are you. �I am 6 ft even. thanks jamison On May 18, 7:40�pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: My saddle height on both bikes is set at 76.5cm; with your saddle height I do agree that standover with the 60 Bombadil should not be an issue. I haven't hurt myself, but I always get very conscious of the top tube height when straddling the bike, especially if wearing sandals... :-) I don't quite feel atracted to the Hunqa... can't really say why... if I ended up swapping frames, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Atlantis. It's a bike that is somehow growing on me after my intial reaction of rejection during my pre-Riv days... :-) I do love my Bombadil, in the end, perhaps I'll just keep it and just ride it with up to 700x50 tires to keep the standover height manageable. Ren� -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Google Groups dropping posting?
on 5/18/10 7:44 PM, cyclotourist at cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: At work I view the postings on the Google Groups RBW page http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch , and multiple conversations are being truncated or marked conversation unavailable. Has anyone else been noticing this? I get home and all the conversations are there in gmail. (stupid employer blocks web-based email, thanks for asking). Is it me or is it google? It seems that the Internets may be angry today. It's been spotty in the Googleverse for me. This seems to occur periodically - don't know if it's tidal or some other migration of in the servers. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Selle Saddle
Hobie: Is that thing sold yet? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Google Groups dropping posting?
It's caused by longitudinal waves and other species of gremlin. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:49 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 5/18/10 7:44 PM, cyclotourist at cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: At work I view the postings on the Google Groups RBW page http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch , and multiple conversations are being truncated or marked conversation unavailable. Has anyone else been noticing this? I get home and all the conversations are there in gmail. (stupid employer blocks web-based email, thanks for asking). Is it me or is it google? It seems that the Internets may be angry today. It's been spotty in the Googleverse for me. This seems to occur periodically - don't know if it's tidal or some other migration of in the servers. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Google Groups dropping posting?
yep, i've had that issue for the last 2 days. On May 18, 7:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: At work I view the postings on the Google Groups RBW pagehttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch, and multiple conversations are being truncated or marked conversation unavailable. Has anyone else been noticing this? I get home and all the conversations are there in gmail. (stupid employer blocks web-based email, thanks for asking). Is it me or is it google? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Google Groups dropping posting?
I blame Kang. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote: yep, i've had that issue for the last 2 days. On May 18, 7:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: At work I view the postings on the Google Groups RBW pagehttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch, and multiple conversations are being truncated or marked conversation unavailable. Has anyone else been noticing this? I get home and all the conversations are there in gmail. (stupid employer blocks web-based email, thanks for asking). Is it me or is it google? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
René, This was supposed to be posted to this thread: Hey, I'm the same size and pretty excited about the 54cm Hunq. It's gonna' have around effective 60cm reach, single top tube and 700c X 60mm wheels. That could be perfect! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Google Groups dropping posting?
hahahah! He must be the one that randomly reassigned all the conference call numbers on my recurring GoToMeeting sessions this morning! Philip On May 18, 8:18 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I blame Kang. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote: yep, i've had that issue for the last 2 days. On May 18, 7:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: At work I view the postings on the Google Groups RBW pagehttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch, and multiple conversations are being truncated or marked conversation unavailable. Has anyone else been noticing this? I get home and all the conversations are there in gmail. (stupid employer blocks web-based email, thanks for asking). Is it me or is it google? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Google Groups dropping posting?
There was a reason I told you all to vote for Kodos. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: hahahah! He must be the one that randomly reassigned all the conference call numbers on my recurring GoToMeeting sessions this morning! Philip On May 18, 8:18 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I blame Kang. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: yep, i've had that issue for the last 2 days. On May 18, 7:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: At work I view the postings on the Google Groups RBW pagehttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch, and multiple conversations are being truncated or marked conversation unavailable. Has anyone else been noticing this? I get home and all the conversations are there in gmail. (stupid employer blocks web-based email, thanks for asking). Is it me or is it google? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Buncher Sighting
Were there German triathletes in the vicinity? On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Brentwood, CA. I'm 99% sure it was Aaron since he haunts the same locales as I. Brad On May 18, 11:40 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: B'wood = Bollywood? Belleau Wood? On May 18, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: On my way home from work I saw a dapper looking gent on a beautiful blue Riv custom riding around the golf course in B'wood. Based on previous Flikr sightings, I'd say it was Aaron Thomas but it was a fleeting glimpse. I was jealous you were on your bike while I was in may car. FYI, my office is about 2 minutes from the course. I'm thinking an after-work jaunt up into the hills might be in order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saluki
Thanks! On May 18, 4:41 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome to the club! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis - Bombadil comparison
Rene: I'm 5'11, with a PBH of 86, which fit into both the 58 61 size recommendations when I ordered the bike. Riv recommended 61 but I'd been comfortable on a 58 so chose that. With a 10 cm stem, Noodle bars saddle set same as my other bikes, the Atlantis felt like home from the first ride. I like having a bit of clearance over the TT, plus I can put on any honkin' big tire that'll fit. Ray I weigh the same, carry the same loads share the same good results with the Atlantis as a tourer. My guess is if you're a bit taller with a bit longer PBH than me, the 61 will be a good fit. dougP On May 18, 5:14 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi, Rene -- I have never ridden a Bombadill, much less own one. I do own a size 61 Atlantis that I have toured fully loaded with panniers. The longest tour was 2500 miles last summer on the ACA Western Express/Trans-Am (Partially). I noticed no flex or weakness whatsoever with the Atlantis. It is very stout. for comparison, my PBH is 87.5. I weigh 175 lbs. I carried as much as 45-50 pounds of gear/food/water last summer, plus weight of Nitto front and rear racks. Owning the Atlantis is why I am not particularly interested in a Bomb or even a Hunq. I'm not skilled enough riding off-road to get the most out of those two models, and neither can top the Atlantis for the sort of paved road riding I do. I own four Rivendells. The Atlantis will be the last of the brand that I part with. Ray From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 11:09:06 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis - Bombadil comparison Could anyone who has/had both compare them? Are they significantly different in terms of riding quality or feel? Is the Atlantis significantly flexier when loaded vs the Bombadil with the 2 top tubes? Do they differ in their handling? Thank you for the feedback! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
