[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Yeah but grant did say somewhere semi-recently that he hasn't ruled out a tandem in the future. Imagine the price tag on that. On Nov 10, 12:38 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: Riv doesn't make a tandem, so it's probably not really On Topic... On 11/9/2010 10:26 PM, manueljohnacosta wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Thanks -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Any Tandems?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike or frame only
Subject lines like this always crack me up... Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike or frame only... Well yeah... doesn't everyone? :) BB On Nov 10, 7:12 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Do you have a frame size in mind? Your PBH sounds a little low for your height--my PBH is a smidgen higher than yours but I'm only 5'7. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of williwoods Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:10 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike or frame only This is my first post here and looking forward to riding a Rivendell soon. This would actually be my first practical bike. Looking to purchase a Saluki or a Sam Hillborne or maybe a Bombadil. preference in that order. I would prefer to purchase a complete bike but am open to frame and fork sets`as well. My PBH is 80cm and I am 5'9 I am located in Culver City Ca (los Angeles) but am open to travel or ship the bike if you are not local. email: willh...@yahoo.com let me know what you have. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty
She's 5'7 and the bike is a 58. With some minor tweaking, it feels pretty good for me, and I'm 6'. It's a great bike, and I definitely endorse the mixte experience; it just feels so solid in a way I guess I didn't expect. Almost wish I would have gone with the big back rack, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use it to cart some weight. She digs it, but probably is not as enthusiastic as me; I am, however, the one in the family with the bicycle problem. I expect her love will grow when she gets additional opportunities to get it out more, it's such a smooth ride. On Nov 9, 11:17 pm, grrlyrida grrlyr...@gmail.com wrote: Awww what a beautiful bike and set up. What size is Betty and what's your wife's height? Does she like the bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
Winter Plans: 1Get out of the vintage bike business. Sell the two I have and be done with it. 2Improve my bike mech skills (what few I have). REI has regular classes - need to sign up. 3Okay, this is serious. Need to find a secure storage location for my Riv bikes. With my wife's Betty Foy coming in a week or so, I'll have 3. Too many to keep in the house. Need to carve out space in the garage and come up with some way to secure them and keep them out of the way. Not sure what to do here. Suggestions welcome. 4Winter around here is excellent riding weather (give or take a week or two). So, ride, ride, ride. Joel (Know yourself, Be yourself, Improve yourself) On Nov 10, 1:07 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:48 AM, SFF jgre...@earthlink.net wrote: 3Okay, this is serious. Need to find a secure storage location for my Riv bikes. With my wife's Betty Foy coming in a week or so, I'll have 3. Too many to keep in the house. Need to carve out space in the garage and come up with some way to secure them and keep them out of the way. Not sure what to do here. Suggestions welcome. I have this same issue, more or less. We've been kicking around building a garage just so we have ample bike-storage facilities. I'm was thinking about using those pulley hoist systems to raise a set of bikes up and down easily. Ideally so it is no hassle to get them back and forth. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
I use this one: http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack Cheers, Sean --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 9:52 AM On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:48 AM, SFF jgre...@earthlink.net wrote: 3Okay, this is serious. Need to find a secure storage location for my Riv bikes. With my wife's Betty Foy coming in a week or so, I'll have 3. Too many to keep in the house. Need to carve out space in the garage and come up with some way to secure them and keep them out of the way. Not sure what to do here. Suggestions welcome. I have this same issue, more or less. We've been kicking around building a garage just so we have ample bike-storage facilities. I'm was thinking about using those pulley hoist systems to raise a set of bikes up and down easily. Ideally so it is no hassle to get them back and forth. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote: I use this one: *http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack* I was thinking of something like this: http://tandemgeek.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/garage-redo-part-4-before-after-shots/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Any Tandems?
I will agree with most of what was said below but I will add that Cannondale tandems still seem to be one of the best values for the dollar in a new tandem. My stoker (wife) reports that the ride is much harsher on the C'dale then our lugged steel Bilenky Tandem. The thudbuster seat post softens up the C'dales ride significantly. The problem with used is finding one that fits both of you. If you can find one they will be much cheaper then new. Santana makes a good bike but often specs parts that are not standard on Tandems so you have to work a little harder to find them or have a local Santana dealer that you deal with. Good luck. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:43:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [RBW] Any Tandems? From: skvi...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Any Tandems?
+1 They're GREAT! Don't forget Co-Motion along w/ Burley and Santana. Hard to find models that take fat 700c tires as we tend to like, so you might want to look at 26 if you're planning on riding trails with it (which is AWESOME BTW!). On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
I'm speechless On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.comwrote: I use this one: *http://tinyurl.com/twobikerack* I was thinking of something like this: http://tandemgeek.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/garage-redo-part-4-before-after-shots/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] tamdems
My wife and I have ridden tandems and triplets for over 30 years. We still have our orginal jack Taylor and I believe it still has the best components with a tandem campy crankset and phil hubs and bottom brackets. the derailers have been upgraded as the years have past. About 15 years ago we made the mistake of riding a santana. the mistake being that we had to have one. We had a steal noventa tandem made to our size and still ride it today. It is our go to bike. When my dad past away we went down to the factory and talked with Bill McCready about some upgrades for this bike and we came home with santanas Beyond. Now that is a go fast light tandem. We still use the noventa a great deal. there are several very good tandem makers. I would sugest doing some online research, Bilenky, co motion, burly, santana are all good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Here is the link to the mention of a riv tandem: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/284 On Nov 10, 9:13 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: +1 They're GREAT! Don't forget Co-Motion along w/ Burley and Santana. Hard to find models that take fat 700c tires as we tend to like, so you might want to look at 26 if you're planning on riding trails with it (which is AWESOME BTW!). On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Here's what's on SF Craigslist today: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/bik?query=tandemsrchType=AminAsk=maxAsk= For under $1000, there is a Santana, a Paramount, a Burley, and a Cannondale. I had an older steel fillet-brazed Santana like the one on CL. It is a great bike, up there in quality with Riv, and a very solid ride. For under $1000, that's a lot of quality steel. Have fun! jim m wc ca On Nov 9, 10:26 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Thanks -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Manny asked a bicycle related question of wise Rivendell owners. That doesn't seem too offensive. I'll reply off-line, however. BykMor On Nov 9, 11:26 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Thanks -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: make (reasonable) offers. Shoes, stem, pedals, two jerseys
http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale# -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:20 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I'm speechless Found your new winter project? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
I think I figured out where I can find space in the garage. Our community will be moving to a new recycling system starting Jan 1st, so I can do away with my garage recycling space. Pretty sure I can hang 3 bikes in this area. The only problem I have with the garage space is when the garage door is up, it faces the street and the bikes can be seen and a grab and ride away would be possible. Must keep the door down just about all the time. Thats the winter plan for now. Option two, as suggested by my wife - get ~500 sq ft of space (an apartment) away from the house where I can store my bikes, my record collection, and myself. Ouch! Joel (Know yourself, etc...but also know your wife!...) On Nov 10, 10:25 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:20 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I'm speechless Found your new winter project? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar on order
Cantis On Nov 9, 10:08 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that sounds great. Looking forward to pictures although I imagine that can't compete with your anticipation about riding it. What will you do for brakes? Cantis or Vs? On Nov 9, 5:28 pm, jennings jkguinn...@yahoo.com wrote: Plan on setting it up more so as a touring rig. I'm 6'1, 225 with a pbh of 88. Right now I am putting a Technomic stem with 46 noodle bars. I eventually want a lugged stem for it. I have a set of 40 hole phil touring wheels for it, the rear is actually getting respaced now from 126 to 135. When I called they said they had the frames in stock, but they needed to be sent off to get painted and that would take about 2 months. 5 days later they called me and said that they actually had a 58 painted in stock so here it comes. All I need now are brakes, bottom bracket and cranks. Thinking of going with the Phil bottom bracket. On Nov 9, 5:17 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats, you must be excited. So many questions for you. Are you setting it up as an all-rounder? Dedicated mountain bike? Touring rig? What kind of bars will you be using? Had you been waiting long for it? Frame or complete bike? I'm curious about fit, did you go big or small? According to Riv's recommendations I'd ride a 58, I have a saddle height of 80cm. Just sorta curious, what's your saddle height? Looking forward to hearing more about it and seeing pictures. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. --mike On Nov 9, 12:19 pm, jennings jkguinn...@yahoo.com wrote: Should be here by Friday. 58cm. Can't wait. Feel like a kid on Christmas.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Any Tandems?
To bring this a bit more on topic, I wonder if a 700c, sidepull-braked tandem would work well as a 650b conversion? Our CoMotion has 26 wheels and cantis--it rolls great on pavement or dirt with Pasela 1.75s -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:14 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Any Tandems? +1 They're GREAT! Don't forget Co-Motion along w/ Burley and Santana. Hard to find models that take fat 700c tires as we tend to like, so you might want to look at 26 if you're planning on riding trails with it (which is AWESOME BTW!). On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ordered a Bombadil
You will need a shorter stem with the m-bars than with drops, so what I do is have an appropriate stem, bars, and levers taped up and ready to switch. Just undo the brake cables, switch stem set-ups, connect the cables and you're ready to go. jim m wc ca On Nov 9, 4:56 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm getting a headache thinking about it to much. How would one make a quick change setup between the Moustache bars and Drop Bars.. without retaping??? later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ordered a Bombadil
I'm going through a similar process. My Bombadil has a bullmoose bar setup, and I am piecing together the drop bar setup. I tried the dirt drop and it was too high and not enough horizontal reach for road riding. I then mapped out all my bikes on drafting paper using the frame drawing tutorial that Grant put out there. Based on where my Hillborne and my go-fast road bike positioned me, I selected the stem for the Bombadil and for my new Hilsen. I have the Hilsen set up and it is perfecto. As soon as I get my lugged quill stem back from the powdercoater, I'll be able to set up the Bomba in the touring configuration. If you were to plot out your Hilsen and the Bomba on top of it, that should give you some ideas about where you might want to be. On Nov 10, 10:35 am, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: You will need a shorter stem with the m-bars than with drops, so what I do is have an appropriate stem, bars, and levers taped up and ready to switch. Just undo the brake cables, switch stem set-ups, connect the cables and you're ready to go. jim m wc ca On Nov 9, 4:56 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm getting a headache thinking about it to much. How would one make a quick change setup between the Moustache bars and Drop Bars.. without retaping??? later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: sturdy, disk-brake-compatible rear rack -- Topeak Super Tourist DX Disk
Nice, stiff. Hardly used. Bought it for now sold Monocog. Fits 29ers (and 26ers, tho' will stand high). $25 + shipping CONUS. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:38 AM, SFF jgre...@earthlink.net wrote: Option two, as suggested by my wife - get ~500 sq ft of space (an apartment) away from the house where I can store my bikes, my record collection, and myself. Ouch! Joel (Know yourself, etc...but also know your wife!...) That is the best solution yet! Very funny! Patrick have house, no wife, no momma, no poppa Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Any Tandems?
Here's Grant's tandem, for inspiration: http://flic.kr/p/MyDRh -nathan On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:26 PM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Thanks -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
I would LOVE a Rivendell tandem built around 650 B wheels, built around 40mm Hetre tires, but w/ clearance to fit Quasi Motos (50mm) if so desired... On Nov 10, 10:26 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: To bring this a bit more on topic, I wonder if a 700c, sidepull-braked tandem would work well as a 650b conversion? Our CoMotion has 26 wheels and cantis--it rolls great on pavement or dirt with Pasela 1.75s -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:14 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Any Tandems? +1 They're GREAT! Don't forget Co-Motion along w/ Burley and Santana. Hard to find models that take fat 700c tires as we tend to like, so you might want to look at 26 if you're planning on riding trails with it (which is AWESOME BTW!). On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:15 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I would LOVE a Rivendell tandem built around 650 B wheels, built around 40mm Hetre tires, but w/ clearance to fit Quasi Motos (50mm) if so desired... +1. but it sounds like if I want a lugged tandem for 650b wheels I'll need to talk to Bilenky or maybe Bob Brown. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Bob Brown would be on my short list for anything! But I'd rather see someone make a production tandem w/ fitting big 650b wheels. On Nov 10, 11:18 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:15 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I would LOVE a Rivendell tandem built around 650 B wheels, built around 40mm Hetre tires, but w/ clearance to fit Quasi Motos (50mm) if so desired... +1. but it sounds like if I want a lugged tandem for 650b wheels I'll need to talk to Bilenky or maybe Bob Brown. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:21 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Brown would be on my short list for anything! But I'd rather see someone make a production tandem w/ fitting big 650b wheels. Agreed. The stoker and I have figured we want a tandem that's more or less like an AHH. With albatross bars and a nice set of racks. in 650b... I'd be pleased. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
I think it's a bad idea to do such a wheel size conversion on a tandem. Pedal strike is highly undesirable on a tandem, and dangerous. On Nov 10, 12:26 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: To bring this a bit more on topic, I wonder if a 700c, sidepull-braked tandem would work well as a 650b conversion? Our CoMotion has 26 wheels and cantis--it rolls great on pavement or dirt with Pasela 1.75s -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:14 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Any Tandems? +1 They're GREAT! Don't forget Co-Motion along w/ Burley and Santana. Hard to find models that take fat 700c tires as we tend to like, so you might want to look at 26 if you're planning on riding trails with it (which is AWESOME BTW!). On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:26 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Manny, Look on craigslist. In your area there are likely lots of good, used tandems. Brands to look for: - burley - santana you'll see lots of those. Used tandems are significantly cheaper than new. Figure 75% off of new retail price. And yes - tandems let riders of disparate speed and cadences stay together and enjoy places together. They are great bikes and I think under-appreciated. We have a burley paso-doble and have been riding tandem for about 4yrs now. We love it. Sadly, riv does not, yet, make a tandem. You're very close to where rbwhq is, though, go harass Grant to make one, please. good luck, finding one - if there are any questions I can help with, feel free to email me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: hillborne review
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/born-for-hills-review-of-rivendell-sam.html the link was broken for me so I recreated it. nicely written but photos IMHO are outstanding On Nov 10, 4:35 pm, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 7, 9:26 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno if everyone saw this but my significant other pointed it out to me: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/born-for-hills-review-of-riven... Pretty seriously glowing review. I really liked that review, and not just about the Hillborne either Her description of the way she has been riding really struck home. When I bought my bike I knew I'd ride to work and maybe around a little but I had no idea I'd let the car sit un-started since June, let my drivers license expire for several months, ride up and down the CA coast, all over the Altamont hills, ride in the pouring rain and the dead of night. I think I am even getting lazy, I tend to ride four blocks to the grocery store rather than walk. A new bicycle has been the most useful thing I've bought in years. -Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: hillborne review
Here's a link to her flickr photos if interested: http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/photos/lovely_bicycle/ On Nov 10, 12:28 pm, TJ Ramb tjs...@gmail.com wrote: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/born-for-hills-review-of-riven... the link was broken for me so I recreated it. nicely written but photos IMHO are outstanding On Nov 10, 4:35 pm, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 7, 9:26 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno if everyone saw this but my significant other pointed it out to me: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/born-for-hills-review-of-riven... Pretty seriously glowing review. I really liked that review, and not just about the Hillborne either Her description of the way she has been riding really struck home. When I bought my bike I knew I'd ride to work and maybe around a little but I had no idea I'd let the car sit un-started since June, let my drivers license expire for several months, ride up and down the CA coast, all over the Altamont hills, ride in the pouring rain and the dead of night. I think I am even getting lazy, I tend to ride four blocks to the grocery store rather than walk. A new bicycle has been the most useful thing I've bought in years. -Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ordered a Bombadil
Kelly: Nice choice!!! I (and several others on this forum) have used the DaVinci cable splitters to quickly switch between bar setups. It will require dedicating brakes and shifters to each bar setup, and you will need to purchase the necessary splitters and extra cables to configure it properly, but once set up properly, it's REALLY NICE. Tonight, for example, I intend to swap back to drops on my Bomba. I don't have to set aside all evening for this... Just 10 minutes at a leisurely pace, or 4 minutes and 21 seconds at a record-setting pace (which I'm proud to say I hold that record, which appears on my YouTube vid)... How cool is that? If you are using canti brakes, you will likely need the DaVinci brake cable splitters, although some may have a remedy for disconnecting the brake cable at the canti yoke. If you are using V-brakes like me, you can order extra brake noodles and simply disconnect at the brake unit. It DOES require some planning, additional $ and a little patience, but if this is what you seek, than this you shall have. Your comment about going with 700 x 80 tires... I trust you mean 50mm tires (which are 2 inches wide)? That's what I run on my Bomba. If so, I'm also guessing that you'll need 65mm fenders like the Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders. Anything narrower will be a tight fit. Or if you meant 60mm tires on the Bomba (like the super wide Big Apples), I am reasonably sure you won't get fenders to fit well over these tires... At least I was unable to. Good luck! BB On Nov 9, 7:56 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Ok so I got my 64 cm double horizontal top tube frame paid for and sent off to paint. (or close) I was going to set it up strickly as a tour bike, but now I'm thinking that would be great for the tours but what about the other 49 or 50 weeks a year. Keven about has me talked into Moustache bars and thinking about the Albatross. Then we talked about making it as different from my AHH as possible and going with 700x80 tires and fenders. Tonight I ordered a Shimano dyno hub. I've never had one before figured it was a good place to start. Thanks again Keven. If you know what level lights that would be brighter then a Nite Rider Minewt I'd be a happy camper. My PBH is 96.5 .. I was going to go with a Nitto Standard 10 cm then I read some place that it might look different with the sloping top tube??? Not sure I like the dirtdrop but, no good reason. Now I'm getting a headache thinking about it to much. How would one make a quick change setup between the Moustache bars and Drop Bars.. without retaping??? later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Jumping in here -- front rear disk brakes open up 650b options without having to buy a custom. We have an '05 Cannondale MTB disk tandem that we used with 700x28s for awhile before going back to 559/26 wheels for fatter tires. When I get the motivation, the next wheelset will be 650b. Until the Soma 650b tire came out I was not convinced about existing 650b tires for tandeming -- everything seemed too light or too tough -- but the Soma looks like a good candidate. I know, CdlV, but not really to my taste. The new Grand Bois might be a good one too -- Jan? Ed On Nov 10, 2:23 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:21 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Brown would be on my short list for anything! But I'd rather see someone make a production tandem w/ fitting big 650b wheels. Agreed. The stoker and I have figured we want a tandem that's more or less like an AHH. With albatross bars and a nice set of racks. in 650b... I'd be pleased. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:59 PM, eddie...@gmail.com eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Jumping in here -- front rear disk brakes open up 650b options without having to buy a custom. We have an '05 Cannondale MTB disk tandem that we used with 700x28s for awhile before going back to 559/26 wheels for fatter tires. When I get the motivation, the next wheelset will be 650b. Until the Soma 650b tire came out I was not convinced about existing 650b tires for tandeming -- everything seemed too light or too tough -- but the Soma looks like a good candidate. I know, CdlV, but not really to my taste. The new Grand Bois might be a good one too -- Jan? Disc brakes are not attractive to me. ignoring the maintenance annoyances I just don't like the look. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
No argument. We love the performance, but they have an industrial look. Still hope Grant is willing to make a tandem someday -- maybe he would contract with an existing custom builder to make one to his specs. On Nov 10, 4:01 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:59 PM, eddie...@gmail.com eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Jumping in here -- front rear disk brakes open up 650b options without having to buy a custom. We have an '05 Cannondale MTB disk tandem that we used with 700x28s for awhile before going back to 559/26 wheels for fatter tires. When I get the motivation, the next wheelset will be 650b. Until the Soma 650b tire came out I was not convinced about existing 650b tires for tandeming -- everything seemed too light or too tough -- but the Soma looks like a good candidate. I know, CdlV, but not really to my taste. The new Grand Bois might be a good one too -- Jan? Disc brakes are not attractive to me. ignoring the maintenance annoyances I just don't like the look. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
I've got a classic Santana tandem that I've fixed up in Rivish fashion. We love to ride it but don't have a lot of room for it and have to store it at a friend's house, so it doesn't get used very often. I'd consider parting with it if I knew it was going to a good home. Let me know if you are interested. wc. On Nov 9, 10:26 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Thanks -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Will william.c.hender...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a classic Santana tandem that I've fixed up in Rivish fashion. We love to ride it but don't have a lot of room for it and have to store it at a friend's house, so it doesn't get used very often. I'd consider parting with it if I knew it was going to a good home. Let me know if you are interested. What size is it? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
On Nov 10, 1:59 pm, eddie...@gmail.com eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Still hope Grant is willing to make a tandem someday -- maybe he would contract with an existing custom builder to make one to his specs. But isn't that what Grant does - contracts with custom builders (name anyone of about dozen builders) or production houses to build bikes to his specs? As someone stated, the best way to get a lugged steel tandem is to do what Grant did and purchase one from Mercian. Mercian makes great frames and the one they made for Grant is a beauty! Locally, at here in the SF Bay Area, one excellent tandem builder is Bernie Mikkelsen: http://www.mikkelsenframes.com/ Supposedly, Bernie was a consultant to Craig Calfee who makes the world's lightest carbon (6lb frame!) and bamboo tandems. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
FWIW, my ex-wife and I bought a used KHS mtb tandem that had been converted to 622X28 or so using short reach calipers; this for touring -- don't ask me why. I converted it back to 559 using short V brakes. Now I am engaged in a heartrending custody battle trying to get it back so my daughter and I can ride together. (Juust kidding about battle, OK?) On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM, eddie...@gmail.com eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Jumping in here -- front rear disk brakes open up 650b options without having to buy a custom. We have an '05 Cannondale MTB disk tandem that we used with 700x28s for awhile before going back to 559/26 wheels for fatter tires. When I get the motivation, the next wheelset will be 650b. Until the Soma 650b tire came out I was not convinced about existing 650b tires for tandeming -- everything seemed too light or too tough -- but the Soma looks like a good candidate. I know, CdlV, but not really to my taste. The new Grand Bois might be a good one too -- Jan? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
Do I actually have to ride the really awesome tandem I already have in order to qualify to fantasize over a 650B lugged tandem? On Nov 10, 3:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, my ex-wife and I bought a used KHS mtb tandem that had been converted to 622X28 or so using short reach calipers; this for touring -- don't ask me why. I converted it back to 559 using short V brakes. Now I am engaged in a heartrending custody battle trying to get it back so my daughter and I can ride together. (Juust kidding about battle, OK?) On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM, eddie...@gmail.com eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Jumping in here -- front rear disk brakes open up 650b options without having to buy a custom. We have an '05 Cannondale MTB disk tandem that we used with 700x28s for awhile before going back to 559/26 wheels for fatter tires. When I get the motivation, the next wheelset will be 650b. Until the Soma 650b tire came out I was not convinced about existing 650b tires for tandeming -- everything seemed too light or too tough -- but the Soma looks like a good candidate. I know, CdlV, but not really to my taste. The new Grand Bois might be a good one too -- Jan? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
I see you are a member of the dusty tandem club as well! Welcome! On Nov 10, 3:31 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Do I actually have to ride the really awesome tandem I already have in order to qualify to fantasize over a 650B lugged tandem? On Nov 10, 3:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, my ex-wife and I bought a used KHS mtb tandem that had been converted to 622X28 or so using short reach calipers; this for touring -- don't ask me why. I converted it back to 559 using short V brakes. Now I am engaged in a heartrending custody battle trying to get it back so my daughter and I can ride together. (Juust kidding about battle, OK?) On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM, eddie...@gmail.com eddie...@gmail.com wrote: Jumping in here -- front rear disk brakes open up 650b options without having to buy a custom. We have an '05 Cannondale MTB disk tandem that we used with 700x28s for awhile before going back to 559/26 wheels for fatter tires. When I get the motivation, the next wheelset will be 650b. Until the Soma 650b tire came out I was not convinced about existing 650b tires for tandeming -- everything seemed too light or too tough -- but the Soma looks like a good candidate. I know, CdlV, but not really to my taste. The new Grand Bois might be a good one too -- Jan? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 11:49 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I think it's a bad idea to do such a wheel size conversion on a tandem. Pedal strike is highly undesirable on a tandem, and dangerous. Certainly true, but you'd want to use a Hetre on a tandem, and that's only 2mm smaller in diameter than a 700x25, possibly less if it's a nominal rather than a true 25mm -- and there are plenty of people who use 25 and even 23mm tires on their tandems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
After 30 years of riding we jumped into a 26 wheeled touring tandem this year. http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076 So far the only downside has been that my wife almost never wants to ride her single any more. We went custom Bilenky, because we wanted the SS couplers and Bilenkey's custom prices for that were pretty comparable to a Co- motion stock. It does take a fair amount of communication and coordination, but after many years of canoe camping together we felt ready for the challenge. If you get serious, write and I'l hare more about our search and discoveries. Michael On Nov 10, 1:26 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Thanks -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty
That's the size I tried and it fit me too. And I'm only 5'3. Your wife is one lucky girl. :) On Nov 10, 7:42 am, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: She's 5'7 and the bike is a 58. With some minor tweaking, it feels pretty good for me, and I'm 6'. It's a great bike, and I definitely endorse the mixte experience; it just feels so solid in a way I guess I didn't expect. Almost wish I would have gone with the big back rack, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use it to cart some weight. She digs it, but probably is not as enthusiastic as me; I am, however, the one in the family with the bicycle problem. I expect her love will grow when she gets additional opportunities to get it out more, it's such a smooth ride. On Nov 9, 11:17 pm, grrlyrida grrlyr...@gmail.com wrote: Awww what a beautiful bike and set up. What size is Betty and what's your wife's height? Does she like the bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike or frame only
I measured several times I have short legs and a longer upper body. Test rode a 52 Bombadil fits perfect and the owner has almost the same body type as I do he is 5'10 and has an 80 PBH. Saluki - 56 or 54 maybe Sam Hillborne - 52 Bombadil - 52 A Homer Hilsen - 56 I love em all and would ride em till the cows come home. They are pretty bikes that happen to make sense too (or maybe they are practical bikes that happen to look pretty?) On Nov 10, 4:12 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Do you have a frame size in mind? Your PBH sounds a little low for your height--my PBH is a smidgen higher than yours but I'm only 5'7. Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of williwoods Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:10 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike or frame only This is my first post here and looking forward to riding a Rivendell soon. This would actually be my first practical bike. Looking to purchase a Saluki or a Sam Hillborne or maybe a Bombadil. preference in that order. I would prefer to purchase a complete bike but am open to frame and fork sets`as well. My PBH is 80cm and I am 5'9 I am located in Culver City Ca (los Angeles) but am open to travel or ship the bike if you are not local. email: willh...@yahoo.com let me know what you have. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ordered a Bombadil
Your were correct about 80=50 tires. Nice to know I can build quick change on the bars. This is coming together better than I thought. Thanks Kelly On Nov 10, 2:43 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Kelly: Nice choice!!! I (and several others on this forum) have used the DaVinci cable splitters to quickly switch between bar setups. It will require dedicating brakes and shifters to each bar setup, and you will need to purchase the necessary splitters and extra cables to configure it properly, but once set up properly, it's REALLY NICE. Tonight, for example, I intend to swap back to drops on my Bomba. I don't have to set aside all evening for this... Just 10 minutes at a leisurely pace, or 4 minutes and 21 seconds at a record-setting pace (which I'm proud to say I hold that record, which appears on my YouTube vid)... How cool is that? If you are using canti brakes, you will likely need the DaVinci brake cable splitters, although some may have a remedy for disconnecting the brake cable at the canti yoke. If you are using V-brakes like me, you can order extra brake noodles and simply disconnect at the brake unit. It DOES require some planning, additional $ and a little patience, but if this is what you seek, than this you shall have. Your comment about going with 700 x 80 tires... I trust you mean 50mm tires (which are 2 inches wide)? That's what I run on my Bomba. If so, I'm also guessing that you'll need 65mm fenders like the Planet Bike Cascadia 29er fenders. Anything narrower will be a tight fit. Or if you meant 60mm tires on the Bomba (like the super wide Big Apples), I am reasonably sure you won't get fenders to fit well over these tires... At least I was unable to. Good luck! BB On Nov 9, 7:56 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Ok so I got my 64 cm double horizontal top tube frame paid for and sent off to paint. (or close) I was going to set it up strickly as a tour bike, but now I'm thinking that would be great for the tours but what about the other 49 or 50 weeks a year. Keven about has me talked into Moustache bars and thinking about the Albatross. Then we talked about making it as different from my AHH as possible and going with 700x80 tires and fenders. Tonight I ordered a Shimano dyno hub. I've never had one before figured it was a good place to start. Thanks again Keven. If you know what level lights that would be brighter then a Nite Rider Minewt I'd be a happy camper. My PBH is 96.5 .. I was going to go with a Nitto Standard 10 cm then I read some place that it might look different with the sloping top tube??? Not sure I like the dirtdrop but, no good reason. Now I'm getting a headache thinking about it to much. How would one make a quick change setup between the Moustache bars and Drop Bars.. without retaping??? later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Knog NERD Bike Computer - 12 function
Really? No one? $40. Pretty cheap for a really nice and simple bike computer. On Nov 7, 5:13 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Everyone that i talked to told me this was the computer to get if you didnt need to geek out with a computer. It looks fantastic I just decided not to use one at all. $45 shipped? I would rather someone here get it vs selling on ebay. On Nov 7, 4:04 pm, IPATOM tomdu...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a NERD on my Hillborne. If you don't want or need a computer all the time, this is a great choice because it's easy to remove which was a major selling point for megreat for interval workouts, not needed when just out for a spin. On Nov 6, 9:27 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I have aKNOG12 function NERD bike computer. It is wireless and mounts super easy. I picked it up assuming that I wanted a computer but now I am thinking I don't want one. I had it out to inspect it but put it right back in the box. It was never installed and is brand new with a new warranty and everything. The 12 function will allow you to track more than one bike. This is what I have and I have the olive color. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222352796/493/Knog-NERD-9-Fun... $50 shipped to your house. Brand new. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?
One detail that no one else has mentioned The first tandem my wife and I purchased was a custom steel Dennis Bushnell. It had the lively handling that I preferred in my singles bikes, but one needed to wrestle it around, and the slightest movement from my wife would affect the steering. We replaced it with a Ti Santana. Santana's have relatively more stable handling--the first time we rode one it felt like a freight train, but after riding tandems for awhile, we both saw that Santana's approach to handling was preferable on a tandem--no more stoker steer, the bike didn't need to be muscled around as much. All in all, on tandems, stable handling works vastly better, even on a performance bike. For me, that was counterintuitive. This is going to sound strange, but one benchmark for telling if a particular tandem's frame geometry will work well is to see how the bike rides without a stoker. If it rides well (which our Bushnell did) it may perform poorly with two riders on board. If it handles poorly when riding without the stoker (which describes our Santana) it may perform extremely well with two riders. Odd but true, at least for us. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Any Tandems?
on 11/9/10 10:26 PM, manueljohnacosta at manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at? Since you are in the SF Bay Area, keep an eye out for Ibis tandems. They didn't make a lot, but I've seen a few of them them show up in the past few months. Remember, where ever your relationship is going, a tandem will get it there faster... ;^) - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
