[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[Earl Grey]

I am not huge on silver, but with the cream accents and fenders it's
fairly stunning. Love the bar tape color, too.

Speaking of lawyers lips, I wasn't aware that ANY rivs had them. Too
bad. My TaiwaSam doesn't, and I am glad.

Gernot

On Feb 22, 10:00 am, rcnute  wrote:
> I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Feb 21, 5:29 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/333
>
> > Looks like there's a new Sam color on the block.  I like the fender color
> > contrast - nice mix with the decals.  I'm not sure I like the "grilver" - It
> > seems like bike colors are following car colors to neutral.  I liked silvers
> > about 8 years ago, but am losing my interest.  If it's silver, I like bare
> > metal.  Otherwise, give me some "colorway".
>
> > Brian
> > With the copper AHH - I know - sorta hypocritical...

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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[William]

Bill

That's a really really good guess.  So close, but no.  I went and
threw conventional wisdom a curveball, followed the Mile example and
set up a 700C kit for my erstwhile 650B A. Homer Hilsen.  Now I can
switch back and forth in ~20 minutes.  It looks like fenders will only
fit with really skinny tires, but I have room for Ruffy Tuffys.  I
have 28s on there now.

After seeing people over and over try a 650B conversion on a 700C bike
and end up with a too-low BB, it made sense to me to start with a
really low BB 650B bike and have an alternate configuration with 700C
raise it up a touch.  The difference in BB height as pictured with
700x28s is only ~6mm higher than it is with Hetres.

I had the wheelset and the brakeset on hand anyway, so it cost me
nothing but effort to try it out.  I truly don't know if it's Einstein
or Frankenstein, but throwing this together makes it significantly
easier to hold off on buying a Roadeo.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5467058331/



On Feb 21, 5:46 pm, Bill  wrote:
> "... I have yet another secret project nearing reality.
> A project that addresses the opening in my stable for a lightish
> sporty 700C bike that takes a wider tire and full fenders.   What
> could it be?  Hint:  It does not involve buying another bike."
>
> Hmmm.  Maybe a skinny rim wheelset shod with 700x28 tires on your
> Sam???  Two thumbs up if that's it.
>
> Bill
>
> On Feb 21, 6:22 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > The tires are Maxxis true 25's.  The clearances on this bike are
> > horrible.  I had it built custom in 1992 by Bill Davidson, and I
> > didn't spec tire clearances.  On regular short reach brakes, I have
> > the pads adjusted almost all the way UP.  If I wanted to make room for
> > fenders on this bike, I'd have to run like 19mm tires or some other
> > such nonsense.  I have to content myself to leaving this as a fair
> > weather ride.
>
> > Fret not, though.  I have yet another secret project nearing reality.
> > A project that addresses the opening in my stable for a lightish
> > sporty 700C bike that takes a wider tire and full fenders.   What
> > could it be?  Hint:  It does not involve buying another bike.
>
> > On Feb 21, 2:18 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > Looks nice Bill. I've made a bunch of money the same way. Of course
> > > I've spent it all and then some on new stuff and some EBAY buys that
> > > will go in storage for future projects. What size tires are you
> > > running on that bike?  And probably no room for fenders?
>
> > > ~Mike
>
> > > On Feb 21, 12:16 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
> > > > high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
> > > > included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
> > > > my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
> > > > proper V-Brake levers.
>
> > > > Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
> > > > more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
> > > > parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
> > > > barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
> > > > failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
> > > > double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
> > > > derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
> > > > didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
> > > > that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
> > > > 12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
> > > > fast.
>
> > > > FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
> > > > market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
> > > > bike more functional.
>
> > > > The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
> > > > might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
> > > > breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.
>
> > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-721576259...

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Re: [RBW] Pre-Bomba?

[CycloFiend]

on 2/21/11 7:14 PM, rperks at perks@gmail.com wrote:

> http://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/2227356668.html
> 
> Raleigh trail-rider, saw on craig's list then confirmed here
> 
> http://www.mombat.org/1982_Raleigh_Trail_rider.htm
> 
> More proof that there is little new under the sun.

Well, they do seem to be drawing more than a little inspiration from the '77
Breezers - 
http://mombat.org/Breezer.htm

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=breezer&w=93409214%40N00


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Re: [RBW] Cleaning Canvas

[CycloFiend]

on 2/21/11 2:55 PM, Eric Norris at campyonly...@me.com wrote:

> This may sound like a silly question to those would value "beausage," but ...
> How does one clean a Carradice or other canvas bag? I took my Carradice
> saddlebag for a ride in the rain this past weekend, and it of course got
> soaking wet and sprayed with a fair amount of road grime.
> 
> Is there a way short of throwing it in the wash to get it clean (or at least
> cleaner than it is now)?

For unwaxed cotton canvas, it will probably work ok.  You may get some weird
shrinkage from the immersion, but it ought to stretch out.  You might try
stuffing it tightly with other clothing to help maintain its shape while in
the washer.

Safest way is a scrub brush with some light detergent - Dawn to take out
grease stains.  One pass with mostly soap and then a quick rinse should
prevent the absorption of the water.

A dry heat-on wax like the Filson stuff can protect such a fabric, then you
just use a dry stiff brush to clean it.

http://vimeo.com/8025058

hope that helps,

- Jim


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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Bill]

"... I have yet another secret project nearing reality.
A project that addresses the opening in my stable for a lightish
sporty 700C bike that takes a wider tire and full fenders.   What
could it be?  Hint:  It does not involve buying another bike."

Hmmm.  Maybe a skinny rim wheelset shod with 700x28 tires on your
Sam???  Two thumbs up if that's it.

Bill

On Feb 21, 6:22 pm, William  wrote:
> The tires are Maxxis true 25's.  The clearances on this bike are
> horrible.  I had it built custom in 1992 by Bill Davidson, and I
> didn't spec tire clearances.  On regular short reach brakes, I have
> the pads adjusted almost all the way UP.  If I wanted to make room for
> fenders on this bike, I'd have to run like 19mm tires or some other
> such nonsense.  I have to content myself to leaving this as a fair
> weather ride.
>
> Fret not, though.  I have yet another secret project nearing reality.
> A project that addresses the opening in my stable for a lightish
> sporty 700C bike that takes a wider tire and full fenders.   What
> could it be?  Hint:  It does not involve buying another bike.
>
> On Feb 21, 2:18 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Looks nice Bill. I've made a bunch of money the same way. Of course
> > I've spent it all and then some on new stuff and some EBAY buys that
> > will go in storage for future projects. What size tires are you
> > running on that bike?  And probably no room for fenders?
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Feb 21, 12:16 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
> > > high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
> > > included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
> > > my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
> > > proper V-Brake levers.
>
> > > Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
> > > more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
> > > parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
> > > barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
> > > failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
> > > double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
> > > derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
> > > didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
> > > that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
> > > 12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
> > > fast.
>
> > > FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
> > > market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
> > > bike more functional.
>
> > > The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
> > > might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
> > > breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-721576259...

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning Canvas

[Fai Mao]

This would require reproofing but you might try using a foam stain
remover made for carpets

But be careful that you don't bleach the color out

On Feb 22, 9:11 am, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
> Hey Eric,
>
> I've never cleaned any of my Carradice stuff, but just this past
> weekend I finally cleaned my Filson briefcase that is the tan color
> similar to the Acorn Bags.  Anyway, it's had a big splotch from some
> homemade salad dressing and another spot from a blueberry smoothie on
> it for a while.  I didn't think either would ever come out with
> Filson's "wipe or brush clean only" method, but after I got some fried
> eggs on the bag (don't ask) I figured it was time to give it a scrub.
> I started using a brush under running water in the kitchen sink.  The
> blueberry stain wasn't going anywhere, and the bag was too wet to see
> if the oil stain was leaving.  So, I got some Phil's Hand Cleaner and
> worked it into the fabric with the brush, and then flushed it really
> well with more water.  It took a day or so to dry, but the oil stain
> vanished and the blueberry stain is way less noticeable.
>
> If you do end up washing it, you can always "reproof" with the
> Carradice, Filson, or similar wax.  I've never done this, but I
> imagine the process might take a little while.
>
> Good luck,
> -Jay B
>
> On Feb 21, 3:55 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This may sound like a silly question to those would value "beausage," but 
> > ... How does one clean a Carradice or other canvas bag? I took my Carradice 
> > saddlebag for a ride in the rain this past weekend, and it of course got 
> > soaking wet and sprayed with a fair amount of road grime.
>
> > Is there a way short of throwing it in the wash to get it clean (or at 
> > least cleaner than it is now)?
>
> > --Eric N- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] New Sam Color

[James Warren]

Driving to the Bay Area right now for some R&R. I might I have to see if I can 
ride it!


On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Brian Hanson wrote:

> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/333
> 
> Looks like there's a new Sam color on the block.  I like the fender color 
> contrast - nice mix with the decals.  I'm not sure I like the "grilver" - It 
> seems like bike colors are following car colors to neutral.  I liked silvers 
> about 8 years ago, but am losing my interest.  If it's silver, I like bare 
> metal.  Otherwise, give me some "colorway".
> 
> Brian
> With the copper AHH - I know - sorta hypocritical...
> 
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[RBW] Re: Cleaning Canvas

[Allan in Portland]

This reminds me, I ended up cleaning my sidewalls (http://
groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/
2aca181cfb49460d/) with some really old "goop"-like, lanolin hand-
cleaner. Gently scrubbed with a scotch pad and they look almost like
new. They are pack to the original color, just with thin, black
stripes in a few areas where the rubber had creased from the inner
casing for whatever reason. They looks so good, I'll probably not
bother with latex after all.

-Allan

On Feb 21, 5:11 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
> Hey Eric,
>
> I've never cleaned any of my Carradice stuff, but just this past
> weekend I finally cleaned my Filson briefcase that is the tan color
> similar to the Acorn Bags.  Anyway, it's had a big splotch from some
> homemade salad dressing and another spot from a blueberry smoothie on
> it for a while.  I didn't think either would ever come out with
> Filson's "wipe or brush clean only" method, but after I got some fried
> eggs on the bag (don't ask) I figured it was time to give it a scrub.
> I started using a brush under running water in the kitchen sink.  The
> blueberry stain wasn't going anywhere, and the bag was too wet to see
> if the oil stain was leaving.  So, I got some Phil's Hand Cleaner and
> worked it into the fabric with the brush, and then flushed it really
> well with more water.  It took a day or so to dry, but the oil stain
> vanished and the blueberry stain is way less noticeable.
>
> If you do end up washing it, you can always "reproof" with the
> Carradice, Filson, or similar wax.  I've never done this, but I
> imagine the process might take a little while.
>
> Good luck,
> -Jay B
>
> On Feb 21, 3:55 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This may sound like a silly question to those would value "beausage," but 
> > ... How does one clean a Carradice or other canvas bag? I took my Carradice 
> > saddlebag for a ride in the rain this past weekend, and it of course got 
> > soaking wet and sprayed with a fair amount of road grime.
>
> > Is there a way short of throwing it in the wash to get it clean (or at 
> > least cleaner than it is now)?
>
> > --Eric N

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[RBW] winter projects/want to buy handlebars

[ejg]

Hi all

Well, it's still winter and somehow I managed to finish my 1970
Raleigh Competition "winter project" (Thanks to list you list members
who sold me bits I needed)

Anyway, another project is in the works and I need some handlebars. My
other bikes have Nitto Noodles 46cm and Nitto Randonneur bars (unsure
of the size)

I'm looking for a Nitto drop bar thats not as wavy as the Noodle and
not as flared as the Rando. I'd like something with parallel ramps and
drops or something close.

Checked the RIV site, but they don't have any bars I want. The Grand
Bois bars are an option, but I would prefer to buy something used and
26.0.

Thanks in advance

EJG

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[RBW] Pre-Bomba?

[rperks]

http://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/2227356668.html

Raleigh trail-rider, saw on craig's list then confirmed here

http://www.mombat.org/1982_Raleigh_Trail_rider.htm

More proof that there is little new under the sun.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[Bruce]

Sounds like something one might wear to prevent numbness on bitter cold 
rides... 






From: rcnute 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 9:00:09 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Color

I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!

Ryan


  

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[rcnute]

I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!

Ryan

On Feb 21, 5:29 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/333
>
> Looks like there's a new Sam color on the block.  I like the fender color
> contrast - nice mix with the decals.  I'm not sure I like the "grilver" - It
> seems like bike colors are following car colors to neutral.  I liked silvers
> about 8 years ago, but am losing my interest.  If it's silver, I like bare
> metal.  Otherwise, give me some "colorway".
>
> Brian
> With the copper AHH - I know - sorta hypocritical...

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[RBW] Sam for a Sam

[Adam]

Greetings All,

A quick note to see if there is any curiosity in a potential bike
trade.  I have a 52cm Hillborne with plenty of beausage though
mechanically perfect that I've had for close to 2 years.  I recently
hopped on a larger frame and realized I may be more comfortable on a
56cm.  I am perfectly content to ride my 52cm for the next decade but
thought I might see if there is anyone out there with a 56 that feels
too big. Located in Berkeley for logistic's sake.

Cheers,
Adam

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[RBW] New Sam Color

[Brian Hanson]

http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/333

Looks like there's a new Sam color on the block.  I like the fender color
contrast - nice mix with the decals.  I'm not sure I like the "grilver" - It
seems like bike colors are following car colors to neutral.  I liked silvers
about 8 years ago, but am losing my interest.  If it's silver, I like bare
metal.  Otherwise, give me some "colorway".

Brian
With the copper AHH - I know - sorta hypocritical...

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[RBW] Re: 650B in switzerland...

[William]

I think if a thing is sent as a gift, then it's not a big hassle.  You
should get an American you trust to buy the stuff you need and then
mail it off to you.

On Feb 21, 4:30 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> A few years ago I shipped a pair of speed blends to a friend in
> Zurich, via USPS. I don't remember the shipping charges as
> prohibitive, nor did I pay any taxes.
> michael
>
> On Feb 21, 1:58 pm, david  wrote:
>
> > i forgot to mention that i'm looking for something on the tougher,
> > need-not-be-super light side.  i often ride quite heavily loaded with
> > children and groceries.
>
> > On Feb 21, 10:50 am, david  wrote:
>
> > > i'm having lots of trouble finding a way to get these other than very
> > > expensive shipping plus customs from rivendell.  i can have something
> > > from Schwalbe ordered, but they don't deliver that size to switzerland
> > > so even that has to go through germany and takes 4 weeks.
>
> > > if anyone has experience please let me know!

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning Canvas

[J. Burkhalter]

Hey Eric,

I've never cleaned any of my Carradice stuff, but just this past
weekend I finally cleaned my Filson briefcase that is the tan color
similar to the Acorn Bags.  Anyway, it's had a big splotch from some
homemade salad dressing and another spot from a blueberry smoothie on
it for a while.  I didn't think either would ever come out with
Filson's "wipe or brush clean only" method, but after I got some fried
eggs on the bag (don't ask) I figured it was time to give it a scrub.
I started using a brush under running water in the kitchen sink.  The
blueberry stain wasn't going anywhere, and the bag was too wet to see
if the oil stain was leaving.  So, I got some Phil's Hand Cleaner and
worked it into the fabric with the brush, and then flushed it really
well with more water.  It took a day or so to dry, but the oil stain
vanished and the blueberry stain is way less noticeable.

If you do end up washing it, you can always "reproof" with the
Carradice, Filson, or similar wax.  I've never done this, but I
imagine the process might take a little while.

Good luck,
-Jay B

On Feb 21, 3:55 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> This may sound like a silly question to those would value "beausage," but ... 
> How does one clean a Carradice or other canvas bag? I took my Carradice 
> saddlebag for a ride in the rain this past weekend, and it of course got 
> soaking wet and sprayed with a fair amount of road grime.
>
> Is there a way short of throwing it in the wash to get it clean (or at least 
> cleaner than it is now)?
>
> --Eric N

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[RBW] Re: 650B in switzerland...

[MichaelH]

A few years ago I shipped a pair of speed blends to a friend in
Zurich, via USPS. I don't remember the shipping charges as
prohibitive, nor did I pay any taxes.
michael

On Feb 21, 1:58 pm, david  wrote:
> i forgot to mention that i'm looking for something on the tougher,
> need-not-be-super light side.  i often ride quite heavily loaded with
> children and groceries.
>
> On Feb 21, 10:50 am, david  wrote:
>
>
>
> > i'm having lots of trouble finding a way to get these other than very
> > expensive shipping plus customs from rivendell.  i can have something
> > from Schwalbe ordered, but they don't deliver that size to switzerland
> > so even that has to go through germany and takes 4 weeks.
>
> > if anyone has experience please let me know!

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Re: [RBW] Cleaning Canvas

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 14:55 -0800, Eric Norris wrote:
> This may sound like a silly question to those would value "beausage," but 
>  How does one clean a Carradice or other canvas bag? I took my Carradice 
> saddlebag for a ride in the rain this past weekend, and it of course got 
> soaking wet and sprayed with a fair amount of road grime. 

Brush it off when it dries.  If that doesn't work, you might try washing
it in a bucket of water.   BTW - fenders do a great job keeping off
"road grime..."



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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[William]

The tires are Maxxis true 25's.  The clearances on this bike are
horrible.  I had it built custom in 1992 by Bill Davidson, and I
didn't spec tire clearances.  On regular short reach brakes, I have
the pads adjusted almost all the way UP.  If I wanted to make room for
fenders on this bike, I'd have to run like 19mm tires or some other
such nonsense.  I have to content myself to leaving this as a fair
weather ride.

Fret not, though.  I have yet another secret project nearing reality.
A project that addresses the opening in my stable for a lightish
sporty 700C bike that takes a wider tire and full fenders.   What
could it be?  Hint:  It does not involve buying another bike.

On Feb 21, 2:18 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> Looks nice Bill. I've made a bunch of money the same way. Of course
> I've spent it all and then some on new stuff and some EBAY buys that
> will go in storage for future projects. What size tires are you
> running on that bike?  And probably no room for fenders?
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 21, 12:16 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
> > high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
> > included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
> > my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
> > proper V-Brake levers.
>
> > Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
> > more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
> > parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
> > barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
> > failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
> > double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
> > derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
> > didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
> > that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
> > 12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
> > fast.
>
> > FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
> > market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
> > bike more functional.
>
> > The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
> > might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
> > breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-721576259...

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[RBW] Cleaning Canvas

[Eric Norris]

This may sound like a silly question to those would value "beausage," but ... 
How does one clean a Carradice or other canvas bag? I took my Carradice 
saddlebag for a ride in the rain this past weekend, and it of course got 
soaking wet and sprayed with a fair amount of road grime. 

Is there a way short of throwing it in the wash to get it clean (or at least 
cleaner than it is now)?

--Eric N

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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Michael_S]

Looks nice Bill. I've made a bunch of money the same way. Of course
I've spent it all and then some on new stuff and some EBAY buys that
will go in storage for future projects. What size tires are you
running on that bike?  And probably no room for fenders?

~Mike


On Feb 21, 12:16 pm, William  wrote:
> A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
> high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
> included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
> my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
> proper V-Brake levers.
>
> Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
> more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
> parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
> barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
> failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
> double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
> derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
> didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
> that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
> 12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
> fast.
>
> FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
> market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
> bike more functional.
>
> The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
> might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
> breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-721576259...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stem Mounted Shifters?

[Ray Shine]

Here's my SunTour Stem Shifter set-up. I like it a lot.

http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc808-rayshine1110.html






From: doug peterson 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 10:17:01 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Stem Mounted Shifters?

Jenny:

Thanks for the photos & info.  Whoduh thunk those old Suntour stem
shifters would ever get respect?  Must be the Silver levers that make
your set-up look so good.  I gotta think about this one; been using
bar ends for at least 20 years & still poke myself and hit the lever
sometimes, and have never liked the look of the cable housings looping
around the front.

dougP

On Feb 20, 9:10 pm, Jenny  wrote:
> Doug,
>
> My stem shifter solution:
>
> Took a set of old Suntour stem shifters and replaced the shifting
> levers with the Rivendell Silver Shifters.  I had to file/apply
> sandpaper to the posts on the Suntour shifter mounts a hair in order
> to get the Rivendell shifters to fit.
>
> Photos of my Franken-shifter 
>set:http://www.flickr.com/photos/56986077@N06/sets/72157625974204537/
>
> Don't know the model number, but here's an example of the Suntour stem
> shifter mount/clamp I 
>used:http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Road-Bike-Suntour-10-Speed-Fingertip-Shif...
>
> It works great for me because I like to ride with my hands on the
> tops.
>
> Jenny
>
> On Feb 19, 10:49 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thomas:
>
> > Please post if you find something.  I checked my Arabesques & the
> > clamp is way bigger than the stem.  It would need a thick shim to work
> > & I'd probably start with a couple of tire boots or something equally
> > ugly.
>
> > Whatever's on Jenny's Homer is clean looking & fits the look of the
> > bike.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Yes, decisions such as this one require considerable contemplation,
> > > research, analysis, soul-searching, and, certainly not least,
> > > consultation.
>
> > > You can't just jump into these things. Who knows what would happen?
>
> > > :)
>
> > > Yours,
> > > Thomas Lynn Skean
> > > P.S. I thought I saw on the web  some stem-mounted clamp that could be
> > > used to hold modern downtube shifters. I'll look around and post back
> > > if I find it again. Good thing there's no rush!
>
> > > On Feb 19, 5:15 pm, Angus  wrote:
>
> > > > Stem mounted shifters are increasingly appealing to me...in a few
> > > > years it may cause me to act.
>
> > > > Angus
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 10:28 am, jsk  wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi all,
>
> > > > > Just wondering if anyone knows of a manufacturer making modern, well
> > > > > built stem mounted shifters anymore (or ever)? You know, like the type
> > > > > that used come standard on Schwinn Collegiate bikes and the like?
>
> > > > > I mean, considering the devotion to upright bars here ...- Hide 
> > > > > quoted 
>text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] More Winter Project updates

[William]

A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
proper V-Brake levers.

Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
fast.

FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
bike more functional.

The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-72157625978996049/

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[RBW] Re: Stem Mounted Shifters?

[Daniel]

What about the SunRace thumb shifters?

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sunrace-thumb-shifters/17-097

Particularly, these pics of the SunRaces on Noodles:
http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//2389/17-097b.jpg
http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//2388/17-097a.jpg


Or how about the el cheapo Shimano SL-A050?  As for the Shimano, looks
like the rear is 7 speed index only.  Otherwise, I might be tempted to
try it, myself.

Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Handlebar-Mount-speed-Shifter/dp/tags-on-product/B001L5Y1GC

Shimano techdocs:
http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/SL/EV-SL-A050-2226_v1_m56577569830609201.pdf
http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/A050/SL-A050/SI-6DE0B-En_v1_m56577569830604018.pdf

Daniel

On Feb 21, 10:17 am, doug peterson  wrote:
> Jenny:
>
> Thanks for the photos & info.  Whoduh thunk those old Suntour stem
> shifters would ever get respect?  Must be the Silver levers that make
> your set-up look so good.  I gotta think about this one; been using
> bar ends for at least 20 years & still poke myself and hit the lever
> sometimes, and have never liked the look of the cable housings looping
> around the front.
>
> dougP
>
> On Feb 20, 9:10 pm, Jenny  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug,
>
> > My stem shifter solution:
>
> > Took a set of old Suntour stem shifters and replaced the shifting
> > levers with the Rivendell Silver Shifters.  I had to file/apply
> > sandpaper to the posts on the Suntour shifter mounts a hair in order
> > to get the Rivendell shifters to fit.
>
> > Photos of my Franken-shifter 
> > set:http://www.flickr.com/photos/56986077@N06/sets/72157625974204537/
>
> > Don't know the model number, but here's an example of the Suntour stem
> > shifter mount/clamp I 
> > used:http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Road-Bike-Suntour-10-Speed-Fingertip-Shif...
>
> > It works great for me because I like to ride with my hands on the
> > tops.
>
> > Jenny
>
> > On Feb 19, 10:49 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > > Thomas:
>
> > > Please post if you find something.  I checked my Arabesques & the
> > > clamp is way bigger than the stem.  It would need a thick shim to work
> > > & I'd probably start with a couple of tire boots or something equally
> > > ugly.
>
> > > Whatever's on Jenny's Homer is clean looking & fits the look of the
> > > bike.
>
> > > dougP
>
> > > On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Yes, decisions such as this one require considerable contemplation,
> > > > research, analysis, soul-searching, and, certainly not least,
> > > > consultation.
>
> > > > You can't just jump into these things. Who knows what would happen?
>
> > > > :)
>
> > > > Yours,
> > > > Thomas Lynn Skean
> > > > P.S. I thought I saw on the web  some stem-mounted clamp that could be
> > > > used to hold modern downtube shifters. I'll look around and post back
> > > > if I find it again. Good thing there's no rush!
>
> > > > On Feb 19, 5:15 pm, Angus  wrote:
>
> > > > > Stem mounted shifters are increasingly appealing to me...in a few
> > > > > years it may cause me to act.
>
> > > > > Angus
>
> > > > > On Feb 17, 10:28 am, jsk  wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hi all,
>
> > > > > > Just wondering if anyone knows of a manufacturer making modern, well
> > > > > > built stem mounted shifters anymore (or ever)? You know, like the 
> > > > > > type
> > > > > > that used come standard on Schwinn Collegiate bikes and the like?
>
> > > > > > I mean, considering the devotion to upright bars here ...- Hide 
> > > > > > quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: 650B in switzerland...

[david]

i forgot to mention that i'm looking for something on the tougher,
need-not-be-super light side.  i often ride quite heavily loaded with
children and groceries.


On Feb 21, 10:50 am, david  wrote:
> i'm having lots of trouble finding a way to get these other than very
> expensive shipping plus customs from rivendell.  i can have something
> from Schwalbe ordered, but they don't deliver that size to switzerland
> so even that has to go through germany and takes 4 weeks.
>
> if anyone has experience please let me know!

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[RBW] FS: Nigel Smythe country bag and cover

[Bruce Baker]

Country Bag has never been used.  I put it on my Sam Hillborne and decided I

liked my frostriver bag better.
See pics below.  Best offer over $200.00
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59786111@N07/sets/

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[RBW] Re: Stem Mounted Shifters?

[doug peterson]

Jenny:

Thanks for the photos & info.  Whoduh thunk those old Suntour stem
shifters would ever get respect?  Must be the Silver levers that make
your set-up look so good.  I gotta think about this one; been using
bar ends for at least 20 years & still poke myself and hit the lever
sometimes, and have never liked the look of the cable housings looping
around the front.

dougP

On Feb 20, 9:10 pm, Jenny  wrote:
> Doug,
>
> My stem shifter solution:
>
> Took a set of old Suntour stem shifters and replaced the shifting
> levers with the Rivendell Silver Shifters.  I had to file/apply
> sandpaper to the posts on the Suntour shifter mounts a hair in order
> to get the Rivendell shifters to fit.
>
> Photos of my Franken-shifter 
> set:http://www.flickr.com/photos/56986077@N06/sets/72157625974204537/
>
> Don't know the model number, but here's an example of the Suntour stem
> shifter mount/clamp I 
> used:http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Road-Bike-Suntour-10-Speed-Fingertip-Shif...
>
> It works great for me because I like to ride with my hands on the
> tops.
>
> Jenny
>
> On Feb 19, 10:49 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thomas:
>
> > Please post if you find something.  I checked my Arabesques & the
> > clamp is way bigger than the stem.  It would need a thick shim to work
> > & I'd probably start with a couple of tire boots or something equally
> > ugly.
>
> > Whatever's on Jenny's Homer is clean looking & fits the look of the
> > bike.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Yes, decisions such as this one require considerable contemplation,
> > > research, analysis, soul-searching, and, certainly not least,
> > > consultation.
>
> > > You can't just jump into these things. Who knows what would happen?
>
> > > :)
>
> > > Yours,
> > > Thomas Lynn Skean
> > > P.S. I thought I saw on the web  some stem-mounted clamp that could be
> > > used to hold modern downtube shifters. I'll look around and post back
> > > if I find it again. Good thing there's no rush!
>
> > > On Feb 19, 5:15 pm, Angus  wrote:
>
> > > > Stem mounted shifters are increasingly appealing to me...in a few
> > > > years it may cause me to act.
>
> > > > Angus
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 10:28 am, jsk  wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi all,
>
> > > > > Just wondering if anyone knows of a manufacturer making modern, well
> > > > > built stem mounted shifters anymore (or ever)? You know, like the type
> > > > > that used come standard on Schwinn Collegiate bikes and the like?
>
> > > > > I mean, considering the devotion to upright bars here ...- Hide 
> > > > > quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Park 4th Hand Cable Stretcher

[MSmith]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Norman  wrote:

> Thanks.  I'll keep trying.  BTW is there a 3rd hand?
>
>

Yup.  A "third hand" is usually a spring loaded clamp that fits over the
shoes of caliper brakes to hold them against the rim when adjusting the
cables.

<
http://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=516682131724&d=single&c=Tools&sc=Brake&tc=Third-Hand&item_id=UB-ST201D
>

I find third and fourth hand tools very useful when setting up bikes.  The
fourth hand is also a perfect tool for really snugging up zip ties both on
and off the bike.

Cheers- Mike

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[RBW] Re: Park 4th Hand Cable Stretcher

[Norman]

Thanks.  I'll keep trying.  BTW is there a 3rd hand?

On Feb 21, 12:14 am, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
> If you look at the second picture on the page linked by Mitch, it
> might be a little more clear.  Basically, the top arm (in the picture)
> has a little cam that engages the cable as you begin to squeeze the
> handles.  Then, as you squeeze more, the two arms of the tool move
> away from one another, thus "pulling" the cable.  The bottom arm (with
> the slot in it) pushes against the brake (or derailer), while the top
> arm pulls the cable.  I use the Hozan version, which doesn't have a
> thumb lock feature, so I just squeeze with one hand and tighten the
> hex screw with the other.
>
> Hope this isn't confusing things more...
>
> -Jay B.

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[RBW] Re: Bombacampatourarangadil

[William]

Is "blaze your own trail" nice-man-speak for "yuck!" ?

hee hee.  I realize it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm into it.

On Feb 20, 7:40 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> Bill, you certainly like to blaze your own trail color wise. Looks
> like a sturdy rig for some touring for sure.
>
> I picked up a pair of those SRAM levers too and the Bordeaux Gold
> Hudz  as well.  They seem to have a very nice feel to me size wise.
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 20, 4:26 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > I'd been planning this drop bar cockpit for the Bombadil for a while.
> > Jay got the stem painted for me to match.  It's not totally perfect,
> > just a hair on the red side, but plenty good.  It's my first time to
> > use the SRAM levers as well.  Hopefully I'll get it out for a couple
> > hours tomorrow.  There's several shots up on my flickr
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5463436986/
>
> > For the record, as pictured, with racks and fenders, it's less than
> > 30lbs.  That's Newbaums burgundy with two coats of amber.  I was
> > thinking Virginia Tech colors.  I am pleased with how it turned out.

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Re: [RBW] Camino Real Double Century 2-19-11 - a set on Flickr

[James Warren]

Eric,

Thank you! Good ride. Do you have a route map? I love riding near San Onofre.


On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Eric Norris wrote:

> Photos from Saturday's ride on my Riv Road:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157626102598194/with/5465289610/
>  
> 
> Captions coming soon!
> 
> --Eric
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> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: SFR Two Rock 200k

[William]

Esteban

I need to do that ride someday.  My inlaws are in Corona and my
parents are in Yorba Linda.  My old stomping grounds!

On Feb 20, 9:01 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> Two Rock is one of my favorite courses - sounds like the weather was
> perfect!
>
> We didn't have the same luck yesterday during the Corona 300K down
> south:http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/wet-and-cold-corona-300k/
>
> Rode my Ebisu, but John on a 2000 Riv Road Custom pulled me through
> the finish!
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Feb 20, 9:58 am, William  wrote:
>
> > OK that was weird.  I posted the above on the 13th, and it just popped
> > up now.  Did I ride through a wormhole?
>
> > On Feb 13, 7:14 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > Yesterday was the San Francisco Randomnneurs Two Rock/Valley Ford 200k
> > > brevet.  We had absolutely perfect weather.  I saw at least four other
> > > Rivendells.  A Romulus a Rambouillet another Hilsen and a custom.  I
> > > got to ride for a bit with several nice folks, including the head guy
> > > at Santa Rosa Randonneurs and Eric of campyonlyguy fame.  Inspired by
> > > Theresa's Pelican, I matched her color scheme by putting my Hetre's
> > > back on.  Several people started conversations about those fat tires.
> > > Like last time, coasting downhill I was catching and passing 700C
> > > bikes, so I really couldn't ascribe a significant penalty to running
> > > them.  Another great day, and I'm on the fence whether to try the 300k
> > > in two weeks.  That might be a little ambitious for me, but my hands,
> > > feet, neck and hindquarters all felt good yesterday.  It just comes
> > > down to legs.  I started out fast following some of the stronger
> > > riders, and thought I had a chance to improve on the 9:22 I did for
> > > the Lighthouse ride, but came in at...wait for it...9:23.  I knew I
> > > should have slalomed through the tourists on the GG Bridge faster.

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[RBW] Re: SFR Two Rock 200k

[William]

The SFR event on Saturday was the 300k workers ride.  300k in 40
degrees and rain, now that's epic.

FWIW here's my photo set from last weeks 200k.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157625938541711/



On Feb 20, 11:32 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> That *was* weird. There was an SFR randonneurs brevet yesterday, and I
> was thinking, perfect weather? What? Fortunately, I had not signed up
> for that brevet, so I didn't get to experience the wonders of 40
> degrees and raining for 200 kilometers.
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:58 AM, William  wrote:
> > OK that was weird.  I posted the above on the 13th, and it just popped
> > up now.  Did I ride through a wormhole?
>
> --
> -- Anne Paulson
>
> My hovercraft is full of eels

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Re: [RBW] Camino Real Double Century 2-19-11 - a set on Flickr

[PATRICK MOORE]

What, no fenders?

Nice bike. What sort of speed do you manage for such a long distance
-- or, if you like, how long did it take?

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Photos from Saturday's ride on my Riv Road:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157626102598194/with/5465289610/
>
> Captions coming soon!
>
> --Eric
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> www.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: Looking for TA rings & bolts.

[stevep33]

51? Do you mean 50.4?

The Rene Herse (aka Boulder Bicycle) online store has a nice selection
of rings and hardware.
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/StoreFront

On Feb 20, 7:32 pm, Jeremy Smith  wrote:
> Hello
> I'm looking for a pair of TA 51BCD rings, preferably something like a 30-48 
> pair.  I also need the bolts.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jeremy

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[RBW] Camino Real Double Century 2-19-11 - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

Photos from Saturday's ride on my Riv Road:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157626102598194/with/5465289610/
 

Captions coming soon!

--Eric
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[RBW] Re: Worst Selling Superstars

[Lee]

I don't have strong opinions on the WSSS (worst selling superstars),
but it's funny how "divisive" they can be! Of all of those, I think of
the splats and windshield as the two items that would most fit a need
for me, and I've been tempted to buy them for a while now. Maybe next
month's paycheck, help contribute to their removal from the WSSS list.

Hope folks got some riding in this weekend,
Lee
SF, CA

On Feb 20, 10:14 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Looked at the list and thought "I'd buy any of those except..."  that
> wind shield...ugh.   I think this has been thought of before and it's
> called a vest.  Vests are cool.  That wind shield is dork plus ugly. I
> can handle dork and I can handle ugly, however, both is a tough pill
> to swallow..though my wife, and others, might argue I'm constantly
> bringing both to the table.

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[RBW] Re: Worst Selling Superstars

[Lee]

I don't have strong opinions on the WSSS (worst selling superstars),
but it's funny how "divisive" they can be! Of all of those, I think of
the splats and windshield as the two items that would most fit a need
for me, and I've been tempted to buy them for a while now. Maybe next
month's paycheck, help contribute to their removal from the WSSS list,
haha.

Hope folks got some riding in this weekend,
Lee
SF, CA

On Feb 20, 10:14 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Looked at the list and thought "I'd buy any of those except..."  that
> wind shield...ugh.   I think this has been thought of before and it's
> called a vest.  Vests are cool.  That wind shield is dork plus ugly. I
> can handle dork and I can handle ugly, however, both is a tough pill
> to swallow..though my wife, and others, might argue I'm constantly
> bringing both to the table.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Worst Selling Superstars

[Shaun Meehan]

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:34 PM, EricP  wrote:

> Does the stubby fit a larger head?  Would get one, but in my last
> conversation with Rivendell they didn't believe it would fit.  Ended
> up with an AHH hat that fits well although it rides "high" on my head.
>
> For stubby bill caps, nothing comes close to my Filson waxed cotton
> cap.
>
> As to other items - own almost all except the poncho.  (Okay, the
> Splats are my wife's).  Either I'm an easy mark, or these items fill a
> need I can't find someplace else.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>


Eric,

If you're talking about the cotton stubby (not the wool one) it'll probably
fit you. I have a pretty large noggin (~7 3/4) and there's plenty of room to
adjust it larger. I also have a Walz wool cap that fits me well and I don't
even think it's their largest size.

Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] FS: Brand New Nigel Smythe Country Bag with raincover for sale

[Bruce Baker]

Country Bag has never been used.  I put it on my Sam Hillborne and decided I
liked my frostriver bag better.
See pics below.  Best offer over $200.00

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59786111@N07/sets/

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[RBW] Re: Tandem tour of Japan

[Earl Grey]

14 days, 8 on the bike. Check these maps for routes:

Part 1, actual:
http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=18.796464,98.660059&spn=6.840065,9.140625&z=7

Part 2, planned, but got changed last minute (see text):
http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=18.796464,98.660059&spn=6.840065,9.140625&z=7

We took trains to connect from and to Tokyo, and to bridge bigger
distance through less interesting terrain.

Gernot



On Feb 21, 11:49 am, Eric Wolforth  wrote:
> Beautiful!
>
> How long was the tour?
>
> Where did you visit?
>
> I was thinking of a month tour of New Zealand next year on my un-Riv
> bike so I guess Japan has to be after that!
>
> I'm sure I'll annoy you with many questions!
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
>
> On Feb 20, 9:47 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now that our son is almost 6 months old, I thought it was time to post
> > our honeymoon pictures from 18 months ago. :)
>
> > Not so much Riv content, as we rode our unrivvish (though rivvified)
> > mtn tandem, as we didn't want to bring the rivvish Ibis tandem when we
> > relocated to Thailand. But some pictures of Japan's great bike
> > culture, and perhaps a nice diversion if you happen to be stuck
> > indoors. And if you are planning a bike tour of Japan, contact me off
> > list, we have lot's of good advice.
>
> > Start here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5463207788/
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Tandem tour of Japan

[Earl Grey]

2 weeks, 8 days on the bike, plenty of time for sight-seeing and
eating. Basically we took a train from Tokyo to the north coast, rode
around the Noto peninsula, and from there to Kanazawa, Hikone on Biwa
Lake, Nara, and Kyoto, jumping on trains every once in a while to
bridge distances that were too large. Then back to Tokyo on the
Shinkansen. For a pleasant bike tour in Japan, basically stay away
from the population centers along the south coast of Honshu.

Gernot


On Feb 21, 11:49 am, Eric Wolforth  wrote:
> Beautiful!
>
> How long was the tour?
>
> Where did you visit?
>
> I was thinking of a month tour of New Zealand next year on my un-Riv
> bike so I guess Japan has to be after that!
>
> I'm sure I'll annoy you with many questions!
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
>
> On Feb 20, 9:47 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now that our son is almost 6 months old, I thought it was time to post
> > our honeymoon pictures from 18 months ago. :)
>
> > Not so much Riv content, as we rode our unrivvish (though rivvified)
> > mtn tandem, as we didn't want to bring the rivvish Ibis tandem when we
> > relocated to Thailand. But some pictures of Japan's great bike
> > culture, and perhaps a nice diversion if you happen to be stuck
> > indoors. And if you are planning a bike tour of Japan, contact me off
> > list, we have lot's of good advice.
>
> > Start here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5463207788/
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot

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Re: [RBW] Re: On shipping bike parts to our two finest states

[William Pustow]

   It really depends on where in Chicago. In areas where UPS thinks it's safe 
to leave a package they will. If they think there's a reasonable chance of 
theft they will not leave it.
   I can think of two solutions: Leave a note for the driver that you'll pick 
it up at the UPS facility. If the UPS facility is not convenient then check 
with the local UPS Store (they're everywhere) and have it delivered there for 
pickup. First check ti see what they charge you for this.
   Bill (who lives in suburban Louisville and has the bike box left at his 
front door)





On Feb 20, 2011, at 7:34 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:

>> Which why they wouldn't in Chicago but will in St Louis is confusing.
>> Being able to track the shipment and such has worked well.
> 
> UPS will deliver to the door in Chicago.  But they do so only Monday
> through Friday and between around 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Monday in my
> neighborhood.  UPS will not leave packages unless someone is there to
> open the door and sign for them.  Meaning I have to take the day off.
> As much as I love (not!) hanging around the apartment all day for UPS
> to show up, my work prefers my being there.
> 
> On Feb 20, 9:41 am, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>> I for one have had great success with UPS.  They deliver to my door.  Which
>> why they wouldn't in Chicago but will in St Louis is confusing.
>> Being able to track the shipment and such has worked well.  
>> 
>>  I'm not really all that Pro or Con UPS just figured they are are better in
>> my opinion than the basing they seem to be taking on this thread.
>> 
>> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Worst Selling Superstars

[Robert F. Harrison]

Oddly the Ducks are in town playing our baseball Rainbows (for the record
we've won two of the three games so far, one more tomorrow).  I got a big
laugh when I read your post because they are a bit gaudy, though I suspect
the real inspiration lies a bit closer to Walnut Creek.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4642846993_5c12f7a966_o.jpg

Enjoy. (Yeeesh!)

Aloha, Bob

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Mike S  wrote:

> I had a hostile reaction to the brand-v label on the handlebar bag--
> proceeded to quickly butcher it off upon arrival and effed up the
> stitching on the scotchlite strip as a result. Put a dab of shoe goo
> on the separated spot and it's fine, but yeah that really is a crappy
> looking label (unless your an Oregon Ducks fan?).
>
> On Feb 20, 11:29 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> > Interesting post. Here are my personal reasons for the underselling
> > items :)
> >
> > Brand V Grab Sack:
> >
> > I have a Swiss Army gasmask bag that is very similar, albeit a bit
> > more narrow and taller, and uses a metal button closure. Love that
> > bag, take it everywhere. So the basic concept is sound, I think,
> > though perhaps we are all too attached to bags that attach to the
> > bike. My reason for NOT considering it? May seem snobbish, but I think
> > the Brand V logo patch is UGLY. The graphic design does not complement
> > the bag design at all. The fact that the RBW logo is so lovely makes
> > the Brand V logo even more of a crime. But actually it's the colors
> > that really get to me. Can't think of colors that would clash more
> > with the lovely tan and olive of the bag.
> >
> > An aside: The MUSA logo is terrible as well, mostly because it's way
> > too big. I do like the Sackville logo. But I bet you if all those
> > items simply sported some variant of the Rivendell logo, not only
> > would they sell better, they would also help sell more bikes. While we
> > are at it, while I love (most of) the model-specific head badges, I
> > think Rivendell is doing itself a disservice here as well, by
> > incurring additional cost, and missing a blatant opportunity to
> > strengthen the Rivendell brand (you really have to examine my
> > Hillborne in detail to find our who makes it). I know, I don't like
> > marketing either, but it's such an easy opportunity to get the
> > Rivendell message out to more people. Just use the lovely Rivendell
> > logo you have on all your in-house designed products, and don't waste
> > your time creating more and more brands (with ugly logos) that most
> > people cannot connect with Rivendell.
> >
> > Windshield:
> >
> > Again, color. Yes, safety is good, but there are other ways to be seen
> > from the front. If I lived in a colder climate and it came in an
> > interesting shade of green, or a dark grey, I'd get one.
> >
> > Stubby Bill caps:
> >
> > I have the wool stubby, and LOVE it. I think the problem here is that
> > Riv has a bunch of nice cotton hats at half the price, and that the
> > woolly one is the same price as the cotton stubby. Most folks expect
> > to pay less for cotton than for wool.
> >
> > Note Cards:
> >
> > Well, I have to admit it's been a long time since I wrote a card that
> > wasn't for my wife, and she isn't into bikes that much. Maybe that's
> > the problem: Perhaps Riv owners still write cards, but do we write
> > them to our bike buddies? We either see them regularly on rides, or we
> > communicate on the computer through this group and others.
> >
> > Ponchos:
> >
> > Once again, color. Admittedly bright color in a rain poncho is more
> > important than in a wind shirt, but I have never been a fan of primary
> > colors. I much prefer the orange of the rain pants for the poncho (I
> > know, you probably can't get that fabric in orange), and would prefer
> > the rain pants in black, cause pants get dirty and light colored ones
> > will look yucky. A bright top should be enough to be seen, no? And
> > yeah, considering the price of the breathable MUSA rain pants, the
> > poncho seems a bit over-priced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gernot
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[RBW] 650B in switzerland...

[david]

i'm having lots of trouble finding a way to get these other than very
expensive shipping plus customs from rivendell.  i can have something
from Schwalbe ordered, but they don't deliver that size to switzerland
so even that has to go through germany and takes 4 weeks.

if anyone has experience please let me know!

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