Re: [RBW] FS: SON Dynamo Wheel, ENO SS kit, + Schwalbe Marathon Supremes.

2011-05-11 Thread Ken Mattina
Hi Matthew,

I'll take two of the marathon supreme tires.

I'm a local yokel so you don't have to ship.

Let me know how you'd like to meet.

Thanks

Ken

503 244 8167

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, mkrbec mkr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello RBW group,

 In an effort to help pay for my new Hunqa build, I am cleaning out my
 bike parts closet and hoping to raise a few bucks.  I have listed
 these items on my local Portland, Oregon Craigslist, but thought that
 some of you might be interested as well.  If so, please take a look...

 SON28 Dynamo Front Wheel:
 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/2373652462.html

 White Industries ENO SS Kit (Wheel + Sugino Crankset)
 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/2373628923.html

 Brand new 26x2 Marathon Supreme Tires (3 of them)
 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/2373666328.html



 Thanks for looking!

 -Matthew

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?

2011-05-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/10/11 2:05 PM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 13:53 -0700, William wrote:
 Now try that one-handed.
 
 Why?  So you can hold an espresso in the other hand?  :)
 
 No, because that's normally how you remove and replace a wheel.  One
 hand holds the frame, one hand inserts the wheel and then locks down the
 quick release. 

Hmmm never tried it that way.  I must have developed an alternate method
in my formative years.  I kind of lean over the wheel, and brace the frame
in my hip. Hard to precisely describe at this late hour, but it gives me two
hands to  work with - I never liked clamping down the QR without having a
little opposing pressure on the off-side.  Ahhh well... to each, their own,
eh?

- J

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52-58 cm Hillborne

2011-05-11 Thread Rob H.
I can sell him a 55cm Schwinn Crosspoint, a cyclocross/touring bike
that has all the braze-ons for racks. I just rebuilt it with DirtDrop
stem so super high handlebars for comfort. $650. Save his money for
racks and panniers.

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 Greetings,

 I am helping a friend to begin his career as a bicycle tourer and am
 curious if there are any Hillborne owners out there who have been
 looking to sell.

 He's in the Bay Area and has a budget that tops off around $1500.

 Cheers,
 Adam

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Re: [RBW] FS: Musa pants (Beige/Olive, small)

2011-05-11 Thread Bruce
Gino:

I'll take 'em if still avail. Let me know...

Thanks

Bruce





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Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:13 PM
Subject: [RBW] FS: Musa pants (Beige/Olive, small)

They're in 9 of 10 condition, maybe worn three times ever. It turns
out I prefer to ride in tight, stretchy shorts.

How about $30 shipped to the US of A?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2006 Riv Rambouillet 54cm

2011-05-11 Thread johnb
Sold

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti Sportivo Classic shoes size 41

2011-05-11 Thread sjauch
Unfortunately these are too small for me. Can I ask what about them
you didn't like? I've been thinking about ordering a pair.



On May 10, 9:14 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have tried to love these shoes but they have not loved me back... So
 $75/OBO + $10 to ship to CONUS and they are yours. I used them last
 season for about 15 rides total.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157626694012760/

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Re: [RBW] to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread Tim McNamara

On May 10, 2011, at 11:39 PM, canali wrote:

 to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
 (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
 century/club days.)

Contrary to the high-zoot hi-tech hi-dollar proclivities of most racer/racer 
wanabees, the biggest gains in speed can be gotten cheap.

1.  Aerodynamics.  Adjusting your bike costs little or nothing.  Drop your bars 
to reduce wind resistance.  Even an inch makes a big difference.  You may need 
to compensate by moving your saddle slightly forward, but maybe not.

2.  Buy tires that roll fast.  I like the Panaracer Pasela 26 x 1.25 the best.  
Thick rubber and lots of tread slows you down.

3.  Don't worry about weight so much unless you live somewhere with lots of 
climbing.  And even then most of us can lose more weight off ourselves than is 
feasible to get off the bike.

4.  Train for speed.  Lots of randonneurs just train for distance, but speed 
training is important for brevets- to make sure you've got plenty of time in 
hand in case something happens to hold you up or if you have an interest in 
setting a time- and will improve your endurance significantly.


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Re: [RBW] to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread Bruce
My 559 go-fast set up is with 28mm Conti Ultra-Gatorskins at 85 psi.
sporty set up is Tim's Paselas at 75 psi. 65 psi makes these quite comfy, but 
slower.
37 mm Paselas are plusher, but can be pumped up make them a bit quicker if need 
be.

Tim mentions training for speed too. As in, developing a higher rpm spin 
instead of casually mashing the pedals as you take in the countryside.




From:Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net


2.  Buy tires that roll fast.  I like the Panaracer Pasela 26 x 1.25 the 
best.  Thick rubber and lots of tread slows you down.






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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread 42MuskhamSt
A lightweight wheel set with a 1.5 or maybe 1.75 Pasela tire could
be nicely efficient and would be comfortable. I remember reading that
the Atlantis (sizes 56cm or under) converts well to 650b which is an
interesting option if you are building new wheels anyway.

Then there would be the versatility of 559 for loaded touring and 584
for brevets. Could there be a more perfect bike?



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 to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
 (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
 century/club days.)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti Sportivo Classic shoes size 41

2011-05-11 Thread johnb
To be clear, I wear an 8 usually but these are tight. They are
beautiful and extremely well made but you need some small feet...

On May 11, 8:32 am, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately these are too small for me. Can I ask what about them
 you didn't like? I've been thinking about ordering a pair.

 On May 10, 9:14 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:



  I have tried to love these shoes but they have not loved me back... So
  $75/OBO + $10 to ship to CONUS and they are yours. I used them last
  season for about 15 rides total.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157626694012760/

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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread Earl Grey
Are you thinking of using Paul Moto-BMX brakes to adjust the pads for
both rim sizes? Has anyone here done that to put 650Bs on a bike built
for 26 wheels? Would be curious to know how well the brakes work.
Well enough for a tandem? I would love to put Hetres on my vintage
steel 26 wheeled Ibis Uncle Fester.

Cheers,

Gernot

On May 11, 7:53 pm, 42MuskhamSt attew...@gmail.com wrote:
 A lightweight wheel set with a 1.5 or maybe 1.75 Pasela tire could
 be nicely efficient and would be comfortable. I remember reading that
 the Atlantis (sizes 56cm or under) converts well to 650b which is an
 interesting option if you are building new wheels anyway.

 Then there would be the versatility of 559 for loaded touring and 584
 for brevets. Could there be a more perfect bike?

 On May 11, 1:39 am, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote:



  to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
  (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
  century/club days.)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti Sportivo Classic shoes size 41

2011-05-11 Thread johnb
sold

On May 11, 9:35 am, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 To be clear, I wear an 8 usually but these are tight. They are
 beautiful and extremely well made but you need some small feet...

 On May 11, 8:32 am, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote:



  Unfortunately these are too small for me. Can I ask what about them
  you didn't like? I've been thinking about ordering a pair.

  On May 10, 9:14 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:

   I have tried to love these shoes but they have not loved me back... So
   $75/OBO + $10 to ship to CONUS and they are yours. I used them last
   season for about 15 rides total.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157626694012760/

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Re: [RBW] to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread Tim McNamara
I run those Paselas as 100 psi.  75 psi is too slow for me.  Interestingly my 
average speeds on my All-Rounder are very close to my average speeds on my 
Ritchey road bike (700 x 25 Paselas, 115 psi).  The A/R is at least 5 lbs 
heavier, probably 8 lbs (heavier saddle, generator light, front mini rack, bar 
bag, fenders) than the Ritchey which is my old race bike.


On May 11, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:

 My 559 go-fast set up is with 28mm Conti Ultra-Gatorskins at 85 psi.
 sporty set up is Tim's Paselas at 75 psi. 65 psi makes these quite comfy, 
 but slower.
 37 mm Paselas are plusher, but can be pumped up make them a bit quicker if 
 need be.
 
 Tim mentions training for speed too. As in, developing a higher rpm spin 
 instead of casually mashing the pedals as you take in the countryside.
 
 From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net
 
 
 2.  Buy tires that roll fast.  I like the Panaracer Pasela 26 x 1.25 the 
 best.  Thick rubber and lots of tread slows you down.
 
 
 
 
 
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[RBW] FS: Wheelset (the Campy mini-group has been sold)

2011-05-11 Thread Joe Bartoe

Hi everyone,

I have this wheelset for sale still:

Silver Open Pros 32h built on Hugi 240 hubs (Silver) with 
Campy cassette body (should work for 10 or 11 speed cassette as well as 
the later 9s). The cassette bodies are easily exchangeable if you'd like to 
convert to Shimano. These were built by Joe Young of Joe Young wheels.Excellent 
shape. These wheels have ~6000 mile on them, but my previous experience with 
Joe Young-built wheels tells me they'd be good for at least 3 times that. You 
should get at least a few more years of use out of them. No skewers.

I'd like $250 (plus shipping) for the wheelset, which is less than the hubs 
would cost brand new and these hubs last forever.

I prefer paypal. 

Thanks,

Joe

Joe Bartoe

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email: j...@synapticcycles.com
website: www.synapticcycles.com
Twitter: @synapticcycles

phone: 949-374-6079

  

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[RBW] Re: FS: SON Dynamo Wheel, ENO SS kit, + Schwalbe Marathon Supremes.

2011-05-11 Thread mkrbec
Hi all, quick updates:

SS kit is sold.

Sale of SON Wheel pending.

It now appears two tires have sold as well.

Thanks,
Matthew


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 Hello RBW group,

 In an effort to help pay for my new Hunqa build, I am cleaning out my
 bike parts closet and hoping to raise a few bucks.  I have listed
 these items on my local Portland, Oregon Craigslist, but thought that
 some of you might be interested as well.  If so, please take a look...

 SON28 Dynamo Front 
 Wheel:http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/2373652462.html

 White Industries ENO SS Kit (Wheel + Sugino 
 Crankset)http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/2373628923.html

 Brand new 26x2 Marathon Supreme Tires (3 of 
 them)http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/2373666328.html

 Thanks for looking!

 -Matthew

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[RBW] Rivs in tropical downpour

2011-05-11 Thread Earl Grey
Hi,

just thought I'd share this photo I took on my buddy Paul's camera of
Paul and Kip's Rivendells (Sam and Bomba) in some seriously wet
conditions here in Chiang Mai, Thailand. Paul was sorry he removed his
fenders a few days prior. Probably his fault the rains came early this
year...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/5675225060/in/photostream/

Cheers,

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East

2011-05-11 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Bill:

I was intending to send you an email, but instead I will take this
opportunity to thank you publicly in the presence of others on this
forum.

Your assistance this weekend was invaluable; thank you so much for
helping to make the first Riv Rally East a big success!  I have to
tell you, while our ride on Saturday was wonderful, I really thought
the Sunday ride on the Straight Run was downright exceptional.  I only
wish we had a full week to explore all of the dirt roads you've laid
out as ride routes on your web site.  I will definitely come back to
Wellsboro to ride some of the others.

For those of you who don't know Bill, he's an unselfish giver of his
time as volunteer and leader of the local food pantry, plus he
regularly goes out of his way to help folks interested in bicycling
the Wellsboro area (with his web site, and in our case as our personal
ride guide on Saturday).  THANK YOU, BILL.

I hope some of you get an opportunity to visit and to ride this
region... It really is spectacular.  And when you're in town, give a
shout out to Bill.

Thanks again, Bill!

Best Regards,
Bobby Birmingham

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 You can find maps and info for rides the group took during the Riv
 Rally East on my web site athttp://pinecreekbikerides.com.  The group
 did the Wellsboro Loop on Saturday and the Straight Run Loop on Sunday.

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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread Mark R.
My riv rolls on 26 inch wheels most of the time (or 650c) my fastest
set of wheels are ultegra hubs, laced to mavic ma2 26 inch rims, db
15/16 spokes, except for drive side, which are 14/15, with performance
forte metro k almost bald tires (tm).  They fly.  I also have pasela,
they ride nice, a bit slower.  I weigh 142 and use 78 lb in the tires,
sometimes 80

Mark
Howtostretch.com

On May 11, 7:50 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
 I run those Paselas as 100 psi.  75 psi is too slow for me.  Interestingly my 
 average speeds on my All-Rounder are very close to my average speeds on my 
 Ritchey road bike (700 x 25 Paselas, 115 psi).  The A/R is at least 5 lbs 
 heavier, probably 8 lbs (heavier saddle, generator light, front mini rack, 
 bar bag, fenders) than the Ritchey which is my old race bike.

 On May 11, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:



  My 559 go-fast set up is with 28mm Conti Ultra-Gatorskins at 85 psi.
  sporty set up is Tim's Paselas at 75 psi. 65 psi makes these quite comfy, 
  but slower.
  37 mm Paselas are plusher, but can be pumped up make them a bit quicker if 
  need be.

  Tim mentions training for speed too. As in, developing a higher rpm spin 
  instead of casually mashing the pedals as you take in the countryside.

  From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net

  2.  Buy tires that roll fast.  I like the Panaracer Pasela 26 x 1.25 the 
  best.  Thick rubber and lots of tread slows you down.

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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread doug peterson
My 58 cm Atlantis has 700c wheels, Mavic A 719 rims with Schwalbe
Marathon Supreme tires.  I also have a wheelset with Mavic CXP-22 rims
and racy 23 mm tires that I occassionally put on the Atlantis.  With
no other changes (my usual collection of racks'n'sacks), just changing
the wheelsets entirely transforms the character of the bike.  It's a
bit like jumping out of a sedan  into a sports car.  OTH, the 100 psi
tires ride like jackhammers and the narrower rims require fiddling
with the brakes.  Were I to seriously set up the Atlantis in a sporty
mode, I'd go with 28 mm Continental Gatorskins (I'm severely flat
averse) and take off the rear rack.

dougP

On May 10, 9:39 pm, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote:
 to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
 (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
 century/club days.)

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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread William
It would be fun to see what our starting point is for the
suggestions.  Do you have pictures or a build list?  For example, if
you currently have 800g tires and your current rims would take a 30mm
tire, then I'm sure a lot of the suggesters would suggest just trying
narrow tires and tubes and see where that gets you.  If you have 40-
spoke 650 gram rims, then many would encourage you to invest in a
lighter wheelset, but if you already have 32-hole ~400g rims, then
there's probably not a whole lot to be made up there.

On May 11, 10:09 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 My 58 cm Atlantis has 700c wheels, Mavic A 719 rims with Schwalbe
 Marathon Supreme tires.  I also have a wheelset with Mavic CXP-22 rims
 and racy 23 mm tires that I occassionally put on the Atlantis.  With
 no other changes (my usual collection of racks'n'sacks), just changing
 the wheelsets entirely transforms the character of the bike.  It's a
 bit like jumping out of a sedan  into a sports car.  OTH, the 100 psi
 tires ride like jackhammers and the narrower rims require fiddling
 with the brakes.  Were I to seriously set up the Atlantis in a sporty
 mode, I'd go with 28 mm Continental Gatorskins (I'm severely flat
 averse) and take off the rear rack.

 dougP

 On May 10, 9:39 pm, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote:







  to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
  (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
  century/club days.)

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[RBW] Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Curtis Schmitt
I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
have a Rom with Ortliebs?

My Romulus, palping the standard blue colourway:
https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#5545475856906680194

Pannier color options:
http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 13:41 -0400, Curtis Schmitt wrote:
 
 My Romulus, palping the standard blue colourway:

What does this mean?  Surely it cannot have anything to do with this
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/palp

 https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#5545475856906680194
 

Nice looking bike!



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Re: [RBW] Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curtis Schmitt
curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
 have a Rom with Ortliebs?

 My Romulus, palping the standard blue colourway:
 https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#5545475856906680194

 Pannier color options:
 http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg


I like the silvery-gray.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Curtis Schmitt
Good call on the silvery-gray, Seth. The bike is parked next to me, I'm
squinting to imagine the gray panniers on there. Looks pretty good with all
of the other black and silver on the bike... I'm just worried about being
too gray. Most of my wardrobe is gray, I was hoping for a bright color to
add some excitement to my dreary grayscale life.

Re: palp ... as bikesnobnyc uses it in context:

*You can run, rub, or palp fenders, but under no circumstances can you
rock them. Rocking fenders is like slaying asparagus, or like a vegan
being hungry enough to eat a horse.*

Curtis

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the silvery-gray.

 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Curtis Schmitt
curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good call on the silvery-gray, Seth. The bike is parked next to me, I'm
 squinting to imagine the gray panniers on there. Looks pretty good with all
 of the other black and silver on the bike... I'm just worried about being
 too gray. Most of my wardrobe is gray, I was hoping for a bright color to
 add some excitement to my dreary grayscale life.


then go with white! It's bright but it's not a color!

:)
-sv

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne and Double/Double

2011-05-11 Thread Ron MH
Steve, Thanks for the tip!
I had a look at the installation instructions for the Surly fixed
cogs. And, while it says nothing about the flange you mention, it is
pictured clearly on the little schematic used to illustrate how to
install the cog. I think I'll give this a try.

Ron

On May 10, 8:44 am, SteveF frede...@msu.edu wrote:
 Get a Surly fixed cog--they have a flange on one side and you can flip
 it to have that flange on the inside (toward the hub) and space the
 cog out a bit (right around the 5mm you need as I recall)  It works
 great.  I have a 16t Surly cog (flange turned in to optimize chainline
 to my outside chainring) 17-19 Dos Enos freewheel on the flip side and
 a 38/40 double chainring (no guard).  It works well for me, here in
 the flatlands.

 Steve

 On May 8, 2:58 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:







  This question is to all. How does the fixed gear side chainline work
  out with the various combinations you use? I ask because the fixed
  gear chainline on my Quickbeam sucks and the drag/lack of efficiency
  is easy to feel. I'm running the stock bashguard/40/32 Sugino triple
  combination and a 16t fixed cog in back. The chainline on the 40x16
  fixed combination is more than 5mm off (the cog being inboard of the
  chainring). And the fixed setup is much more draggy than the 40x16
  freewheel combination on the other side when using the 16-19 White
  Industries DOS freewheel. Of course, that's because the DOS freewheel
  places the 16t cog further outboard. The whole issue has me about to
  ditch the Sugino triple in favor of a decent single speed crankset.

  Ron

  On May 8, 8:50 am, A D deguzman.al...@gmail.com wrote:

   On my Simpleone I have a dos 16/19 on the freewheel side and a 17/19
   surly dingle cog on the fixed side.  In front I have 44/48 rings on
   the front.  I use the 48/16 when I commute and ride down to Rivendell
   and change gears to 44/19 when I go back home which is mostly
   uphill.   I usually flip to the fixed side on weekend rides when I
   don't have anywhere to be.

   I haven't tried the extremes of the gears but the dropouts on my
   prototype appear long enough.

   There is just something about the Qb/SO that feels so right.  I can't
   figure it out but it has me considering picking up an AHH even though
   I have an Ebisu AR.

   On May 7, 6:54 pm, Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:

My QB has a 40/32 in front and the 16/19 in the rear. It also has a 
solo 22 back the which does come in handy when laden down with camping 
gear and facing a couple of hills around here. In town I tend to run 
40/19 because I can get off the line faster in traffic. Once out on 
the open road it's back to 40/16.

Not thinking about what gear I'm in is great. During the week I'm in 
commuter mode, on weekend it's open road mode and maybe once a quarter 
I camp.

Aloha,

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On May 7, 2011, at 11:00 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 It is a cool concept, made even cooler, IMHO, by the copious length of
 the QB dropout.   It's about 2.     So, whereas with the WI 'double/
 double', you get to choose between front rings 3-teeth apart, the
 extra length of the Rivendell dropout gives you a mind-boggling span
 of 8 teeth to play with on the front rings-- and with the 16/19 in the
 rear, you can make that up to 11 teeth diff up front.    Dang.

 So basically, you can run a 16/19 in the rear, and a 40/32 double up
 front, which comes stock with the new Simple One I believe.   Then you
 put a 22t ACS f/w on the other side, and suddenly derailleurs start to
 look quaint.*

 -Matt

 *OK not really

 On May 7, 4:50 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 Has anyone run a White Industries Double/Double drivetrain setup 
 on their Quickbeam?
 Or maybe has plans to on their SimpleOne?

 Seems like a nice combination - rear Duo freewheel of 16/19, and 
 front of either 38/35 or 34/31.

 They suggest the 38/35 for a 26 mtn bike, and the 38/35 for a 
 29'er... but it seems to me that the 38/35 would be best for a 700c 
 mostly on-road riding bike.

 Am I confused?  e.g. 38/16 and 35/19 seem like they would be better 
 than 31/19 and 34/16...

 Anyone try this yet, or have a thought as to why this wouldn't be a 
 great idea? :)

 Best,
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[RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread rperks
I will vote in on the orange, it is across from the lighter shades of
blue gray on the color wheel.  Kind of like yellow going so well with
the darker blues.  Also, I have a thing for orange stuff, but that is
a personal problem.

What tires and fenders are you running?

Rob
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On May 11, 10:41 am, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
 have a Rom with Ortliebs?

 My Romulus, palping the standard blue 
 colourway:https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#55454758...

 Pannier color 
 options:http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg

 Thanks,
 Curtis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Curtis Schmitt
Hi Rob, thanks. In the color options I was definitely leaning more towards
the orange than the yellow. I have yet to see orange Ortliebs on the road.
I've seen the black, red, blue and yellow. That being said, I haven't seen
the white yet either.

I'm rubbing VO hammered fenders with all-black 28c Panasonic Ribmos as seen
in the pic.

I usually don't have too much of a problem with bicycle aesthetics but this
one is throwing me. There's just so much surface area on these panniers.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:37 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

 I will vote in on the orange, it is across from the lighter shades of
 blue gray on the color wheel.  Kind of like yellow going so well with
 the darker blues.  Also, I have a thing for orange stuff, but that is
 a personal problem.

 What tires and fenders are you running?

 Rob
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 http://oceanaircycles.com/

 On May 11, 10:41 am, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
  have a Rom with Ortliebs?
 
  My Romulus, palping the standard blue colourway:
 https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#55454758...
 
  Pannier color options:
 http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg
 
  Thanks,
  Curtis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 14:46 -0400, Curtis Schmitt wrote:
 
 I'm rubbing VO hammered fenders with all-black 28c Panasonic Ribmos as
 seen in the pic.

Is that another BSNYC neologism, like palping and rocking, or does it
mean the tires actually rub?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Curtis Schmitt
Like palping, yes. But definitely NOT rocking, see again his usage
explanation:

*You can run, rub, or palp fenders, but under no circumstances can you
rock them. Rocking fenders is like slaying asparagus, or like a vegan
being hungry enough to eat a horse.*

My fenders only literally rub when the stays become twisted. But with just a
twist back it's an easy fix from literally rubbing to palping/running and
figuratively rubbing.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 14:46 -0400, Curtis Schmitt wrote:
 
  I'm rubbing VO hammered fenders with all-black 28c Panasonic Ribmos as
  seen in the pic.

 Is that another BSNYC neologism, like palping and rocking, or does it
 mean the tires actually rub?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 15:04 -0400, Curtis Schmitt wrote:
 Like palping, yes. But definitely NOT rocking, see again his usage
 explanation:
 
 You can run, rub, or palp fenders, but under no circumstances can you
 rock them. Rocking fenders is like slaying asparagus, or like a
 vegan being hungry enough to eat a horse.

I have no quarrel with William Shakespeare coining words.  I like
Shakespeare.  BSNYC is no Shakespeare, not in my book.


 My fenders only literally rub when the stays become twisted. But with
 just a twist back it's an easy fix from literally rubbing to
 palping/running and figuratively rubbing.

Even speaking only in plain English -- what a nice language, we should
try speaking it sometime rather than making up silly words like
palping -- it sure sounds to me like insufficient clearance!



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[RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Lynne Fitz
I've got a Bleriot (minty blue), and went for the silver-gray
Ortliebs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/5227786161/

On May 11, 10:41 am, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
 have a Rom with Ortliebs?

 My Romulus, palping the standard blue 
 colourway:https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#55454758...

 Pannier color 
 options:http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg

 Thanks,
 Curtis

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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Would it be good to have approximately the same wheel mass as your
700C friends.  If you go lighter you would have less inertia and have
to spin more to keep up.  Heavier and acceleration would be slower.
Long way of saying maybe you could have too light a wheelset???

On May 11, 10:20 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 It would be fun to see what our starting point is for the
 suggestions.  Do you have pictures or a build list?  For example, if
 you currently have 800g tires and your current rims would take a 30mm
 tire, then I'm sure a lot of the suggesters would suggest just trying
 narrow tires and tubes and see where that gets you.  If you have 40-
 spoke 650 gram rims, then many would encourage you to invest in a
 lighter wheelset, but if you already have 32-hole ~400g rims, then
 there's probably not a whole lot to be made up there.

 On May 11, 10:09 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:







  My 58 cm Atlantis has 700c wheels, Mavic A 719 rims with Schwalbe
  Marathon Supreme tires.  I also have a wheelset with Mavic CXP-22 rims
  and racy 23 mm tires that I occassionally put on the Atlantis.  With
  no other changes (my usual collection of racks'n'sacks), just changing
  the wheelsets entirely transforms the character of the bike.  It's a
  bit like jumping out of a sedan  into a sports car.  OTH, the 100 psi
  tires ride like jackhammers and the narrower rims require fiddling
  with the brakes.  Were I to seriously set up the Atlantis in a sporty
  mode, I'd go with 28 mm Continental Gatorskins (I'm severely flat
  averse) and take off the rear rack.

  dougP

  On May 10, 9:39 pm, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote:

   to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
   (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
   century/club days.)

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[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez

2011-05-11 Thread SamuelJames
Well I ordered a Yves Gomez in a 62, Im having it done in a brown
color with creamed head tube similar to the mountain mixte Riv posted
awhile back. I will post some pics when it arrives. I would be curious
to see pics of other people's Gomez too, thanks.

On Apr 13, 9:17 pm, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks again guys and girls, a Betty Foy actually looks good after
 said pep talk.

 On Apr 13, 1:24 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:







  A, not too bad a deal...

  On Apr 13, 10:38 am, Bob Baxter aa7eq...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

   On Apr 12, 12:23 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
   wrote:

    .  Why the price difference anyway?   Gender- bias

    The $200 is for the custom paint job on the Ives.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Pashley Tube Rider Complete Bike, new post

2011-05-11 Thread williwoods
$500 plus actual shipping. I really need this gone. It was almost sold
at one point. I am still trying to avoid having to sell my Bombadil.

Help!

On May 9, 3:28 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Still for sale! Make me an offer.

 On May 5, 6:52 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I have this gorgeousPashleyTube Rider Double Scoop in Pink/
  Tourquoise

  Upgrades include: Nitto Periscopa stem, Nitto bars, mks touring
  pedals, shimano brake levers, cork grips, a suntour thumbshifter used
  in friction mode, and basket.

  I have the original twist shifter and grips as well as the original
  beach cruiser style bars. All will be included.

  This was the last one imported from the uk back in '10. I am not sure
  if these are available anymore state-side from apashleydealer. I
  was
  told last year that the us distributer wasn't importing them anymore.
  perfect shape not a blemish to be found. no dents cracks etc.
  there are scuff marks here and there on the pedals and crank arms,
  just the normal wear. always stored indoors ridden about 1000 miles.

  wheels are true, everything works perfect. My wife doesnt really ride
  it much anymore, since she got a go-fast bike.

  $550 Bike only, shipping is extra, I got a quote on shipping via ups/
  fedex says it will be around $80 to the east coast (depending on
  location could be cheaper), local pickup is also an option.

  perfect town bike.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157626556037328/

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Re: [RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I switch between small, very light and lightly shod wheels and quite
heavy (both tires and wheels) 700c wheels and such a difference as
described ought to be very apparent given the difference in these
wheelsets. But I don't find the smaller wheels slower at all; in fact,
on level ground (where overall bike weight ought to have little
effect) I routinely maintain higher speeds on the small wheel bikes
than on the big wheel bikes. I can indeed notice a different feel, but
in practical terms the small and light wheels don't slow me down.

Also, Jan's idea that smaller wheels ought to have fatter tires for
the best handling compared to larger wheels has not been true in my
experience. Again, I can tell that 22 mm, 190 gram Turbos make a 26
wheel bike quicker to respond on the front end than, say, 32 mm
Paselas ar 35 mm Tioga City Slickers, but  the handling of my two
later Rivs, designed with slacker heads and very long stays, has
always been impeccable compared to whatever else I've ridden -- and
I've ridden some nice bikes beside the Rivs, too.

The first 26 wheel custom did feel better with 32 mm tires than with
22 mm tires, but that also was not as well designed as #s 2 and 3 and
had a steeper head and a more forward weight bias thanks to the short
42.5 cm stays (the others have stays 2 cm longer).

Overall, do small wheels make a huge difference to bigger wheels?
After all is said and done, no. I can certainly feel the difference
but a nice, light 700c wheelset shod with light, supple and fast tires
would in terms of the clock be just as fast overall, even if the small
wheels might have a small, perhaps even merely theoretical, advantage
on climbs.

(Note: the original 8-sp era Ultegra/SunM14A/32 g Revolution wheelset
I had first built for #2 weighed 1550 grams complete -- 675 front, 875
rear -- with Velox, sans tires, tube, skewers and cassette. The Turbos
weigh 190 grams new.)

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would it be good to have approximately the same wheel mass as your
 700C friends.  If you go lighter you would have less inertia and have
 to spin more to keep up.  Heavier and acceleration would be slower.
 Long way of saying maybe you could have too light a wheelset???


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[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez

2011-05-11 Thread RJM
Hey Samuel,

Just curious, was the paint job that you picked out extra money, on
top of the $1200 for the Yves?

On May 11, 2:51 pm, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well I ordered a Yves Gomez in a 62, Im having it done in a brown
 color with creamed head tube similar to the mountain mixte Riv posted
 awhile back. I will post some pics when it arrives. I would be curious
 to see pics of other people's Gomez too, thanks.

 On Apr 13, 9:17 pm, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:



  Thanks again guys and girls, a Betty Foy actually looks good after
  said pep talk.

  On Apr 13, 1:24 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
  wrote:

   A, not too bad a deal...

   On Apr 13, 10:38 am, Bob Baxter aa7eq...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

On Apr 12, 12:23 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
wrote:

 .  Why the price difference anyway?   Gender- bias

 The $200 is for the custom paint job on the Ives.- Hide quoted text -

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RE: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Boys, boys 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:27 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb 
panniers for the Romulus?

On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 15:04 -0400, Curtis Schmitt wrote:
 Like palping, yes. But definitely NOT rocking, see again his usage
 explanation:
 
 You can run, rub, or palp fenders, but under no circumstances can you 
 rock them. Rocking fenders is like slaying asparagus, or like a 
 vegan being hungry enough to eat a horse.

I have no quarrel with William Shakespeare coining words.  I like Shakespeare.  
BSNYC is no Shakespeare, not in my book.


 My fenders only literally rub when the stays become twisted. But with 
 just a twist back it's an easy fix from literally rubbing to 
 palping/running and figuratively rubbing.

Even speaking only in plain English -- what a nice language, we should try 
speaking it sometime rather than making up silly words like palping -- it 
sure sounds to me like insufficient clearance!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Curtis Schmitt
Lynne, that's very helpful, the grey definitely looks sharp. Much to think
about. Thanks to you and all of those who actually helped me in my
decision-making with this thread.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:

 I've got a Bleriot (minty blue), and went for the silver-gray
 Ortliebs.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/5227786161/

 On May 11, 10:41 am, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
  have a Rom with Ortliebs?
 
  My Romulus, palping the standard blue colourway:
 https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#55454758...
 
  Pannier color options:
 http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg
 
  Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne and Double/Double

2011-05-11 Thread William
or use your 24 inch
gear (get it?). 

I don't get it!

hmmm...24 inch gear...on 700c wheels is less than a 1:1..hmm...
but 24 inches is also...oh...TWO FEET!  I get it!  I get it!

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 AD, yeah, i went all the way up to the peak--i only ever ride diablo
 about once a year, so when i do, I like to go all the way.  Although I
 did walk the steep bit in the last hundred meters or so up to the
 parking lot.  In general, yeah, what Jim says--stay calm, get
 comfortable pushing the cranks over at lower RPMs.  Don't be afraid to
 stop and catch your breath for a few seconds, or use your 24 inch
 gear (get it?).

 On May 9, 10:11 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:







  on 5/8/11 10:37 PM, A D at deguzman.al...@gmail.com wrote:

   Do you ride up to the peak in the 42-19 gear?  I live a couple of
   miles from base of Mt Diablo on the Danville side but was always
   afraid to ride up on my low 44-19.

  If the 44x19 is fixed, that's a pretty good gear for it. ~62 inches?  I've
  done it both on the fixed setup (always better for climbing) and stock
  coastable gearing of 40x18 (~60 inches).

  The last pitch up to the top is a killer for high gearing.  But most of it
  isn't steep steep.  You just have to keep calm and stay methodical and
  optimistic.  Rest when you need to.

  Oh, and keep in mind that Jeremy is kind of a monster... ;^)

  - J

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[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez

2011-05-11 Thread SamuelJames
The frame has to be painted anyway so I asked for a different color,
the creamed head tube was an extra 100.

On May 11, 3:09 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Samuel,

 Just curious, was the paint job that you picked out extra money, on
 top of the $1200 for the Yves?

 On May 11, 2:51 pm, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:







  Well I ordered a Yves Gomez in a 62, Im having it done in a brown
  color with creamed head tube similar to the mountain mixte Riv posted
  awhile back. I will post some pics when it arrives. I would be curious
  to see pics of other people's Gomez too, thanks.

  On Apr 13, 9:17 pm, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:

   Thanks again guys and girls, a Betty Foy actually looks good after
   said pep talk.

   On Apr 13, 1:24 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
   wrote:

A, not too bad a deal...

On Apr 13, 10:38 am, Bob Baxter aa7eq...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 On Apr 12, 12:23 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  .  Why the price difference anyway?   Gender- bias

  The $200 is for the custom paint job on the Ives.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] fatter tires for smaller diameter wheels

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Gordon
List,

I just read a post from Patrick Moore with thread title to make 26
rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?, the quote is, Jan's
idea that smaller wheels ought to have fatter tires for the best
handling compared to larger wheels has not been true in my
experience.  I have read similar statements from others and wanted to
comment.

I did actually purchase the Bicycle Quarterly (BQ) article, although I
don't have it on hand as I write.  As I recall, the handling of 3
bikes with similar geometry but different wheelsize was compared.  The
BQ conclusion was that the bikes handled differently depending on tire
width, and the purported explanation was that the moment of inertia of
the wheel was the cause of a difference in handling.  Since wider
tires are generally heavier, and smaller diameter wheels light, one
may infer the recommendation that smaller diameter wheels should have
wider tires than larger diameter wheels.

Here's what I want to challenge: the geometry of the 3 bikes was
similar, I believe they all used a 73 degree head angle.  So yes, if
you want to keep the head angle constant as wheel size changes (and it
is a head angle commonly used for road bikes with 700C wheels), then
probably a mountain bike diameter 26 wheel and a skinny tire is not
the best combination.

However, bike designers (at least the better ones) know to change
(decrease) the head angle and other aspects of the frame geometry for
a smaller diameter / similar tire width wheel precisely because the
steering of the smaller diameter and lower moment of inertia wheel is
quicker and the stability is less.  So, I don't think the BQ article
proved a 26 wheel bike has poor handling with narrow tires, it just
showed that if the geometry is taken say from a design that works well
for narrow 700C wheels and no compensating changes are made, the
handling will be sub-optimal.

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[RBW] Fast 650B Tire Options

2011-05-11 Thread Johnny Alien
I am looking to make my Bleriot my main road bike so I want to trade
out the Col de Vie's for something quicker.  I know that the Pari-
Motos are well respected but I wanted to see if there was a good
option that is slightly more affordable. If they are the best I will
cough up the dough but want to see what others said.

Also if someone has a set of Pari's used they want to sell I would be
open for that. :)

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[RBW] Re: Fast 650B Tire Options

2011-05-11 Thread William
I think the Soma is hard to beat for sporty value.  I've been very
pleased with the New Express on two bikes, and have a set of the B-
Lines sitting new in box.  Those should be even lighter and faster.

On May 11, 2:54 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 I am looking to make my Bleriot my main road bike so I want to trade
 out the Col de Vie's for something quicker.  I know that the Pari-
 Motos are well respected but I wanted to see if there was a good
 option that is slightly more affordable. If they are the best I will
 cough up the dough but want to see what others said.

 Also if someone has a set of Pari's used they want to sell I would be
 open for that. :)

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[RBW] Re: fatter tires for smaller diameter wheels

2011-05-11 Thread doug peterson
Hopefully Jan will chime in on this if I've mis-understood the test.
The BQ article was well thought out and executed, and a good read.  My
understanding of the test was that the bicycle geometry was a
constant, and the object was to explore how various combinations of
wheel size and tire width impacted handling.  The conclusion was that,
regardless of wheel size, there was a range of moments of inertia
within which there 26, 650B, and 700c wheel / tire combinations with
similar handling.  Wheel / tire combinations below this range were
overly sensitive, and ones above were sluggish (my terms, not BQs).

IMHO handling is subjective so what one rider prefers may not be
optimal for another.  Just for fun, I ran the numbers on my Atlantis'
touring wheels / tires and of course it's way out on the sluggish side
of the scale (what a surprise!) but performs well for my loaded
touring.  The 3 testers are more performance oriented riders and
prefer more responsive handling.

We had a thread here a while back about optimal width for 26 wheels
where many responders liked 1.75 (+/-) widths for touring  general
riding.  Before that, I had put some 1.25 Panaracer Urban Max tires
on my old 26 MTB grocery getter, with not a thought to handling.  I
found it skittish  went up to 1.75  it significanlty increased the
stability.  The old MTB was probably designed for 2 knobbies, so the
1.25 street tires were definitely sub-optimal.

dougP

On May 11, 2:31 pm, Michael Gordon meisengor...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 List,

 I just read a post from Patrick Moore with thread title to make 26
 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?, the quote is, Jan's
 idea that smaller wheels ought to have fatter tires for the best
 handling compared to larger wheels has not been true in my
 experience.  I have read similar statements from others and wanted to
 comment.

 I did actually purchase the Bicycle Quarterly (BQ) article, although I
 don't have it on hand as I write.  As I recall, the handling of 3
 bikes with similar geometry but different wheelsize was compared.  The
 BQ conclusion was that the bikes handled differently depending on tire
 width, and the purported explanation was that the moment of inertia of
 the wheel was the cause of a difference in handling.  Since wider
 tires are generally heavier, and smaller diameter wheels light, one
 may infer the recommendation that smaller diameter wheels should have
 wider tires than larger diameter wheels.

 Here's what I want to challenge: the geometry of the 3 bikes was
 similar, I believe they all used a 73 degree head angle.  So yes, if
 you want to keep the head angle constant as wheel size changes (and it
 is a head angle commonly used for road bikes with 700C wheels), then
 probably a mountain bike diameter 26 wheel and a skinny tire is not
 the best combination.

 However, bike designers (at least the better ones) know to change
 (decrease) the head angle and other aspects of the frame geometry for
 a smaller diameter / similar tire width wheel precisely because the
 steering of the smaller diameter and lower moment of inertia wheel is
 quicker and the stability is less.  So, I don't think the BQ article
 proved a 26 wheel bike has poor handling with narrow tires, it just
 showed that if the geometry is taken say from a design that works well
 for narrow 700C wheels and no compensating changes are made, the
 handling will be sub-optimal.

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[RBW] Re: fatter tires for smaller diameter wheels

2011-05-11 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I think tire circumference was part of the discussion as well, not
just mass  IIRC there was a sweet spot in circumference that you
couldn't get in a 26 wheel w/out a larger tire.

On May 11, 3:34 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Hopefully Jan will chime in on this if I've mis-understood the test.
 The BQ article was well thought out and executed, and a good read.  My
 understanding of the test was that the bicycle geometry was a
 constant, and the object was to explore how various combinations of
 wheel size and tire width impacted handling.  The conclusion was that,
 regardless of wheel size, there was a range of moments of inertia
 within which there 26, 650B, and 700c wheel / tire combinations with
 similar handling.  Wheel / tire combinations below this range were
 overly sensitive, and ones above were sluggish (my terms, not BQs).

 IMHO handling is subjective so what one rider prefers may not be
 optimal for another.  Just for fun, I ran the numbers on my Atlantis'
 touring wheels / tires and of course it's way out on the sluggish side
 of the scale (what a surprise!) but performs well for my loaded
 touring.  The 3 testers are more performance oriented riders and
 prefer more responsive handling.

 We had a thread here a while back about optimal width for 26 wheels
 where many responders liked 1.75 (+/-) widths for touring  general
 riding.  Before that, I had put some 1.25 Panaracer Urban Max tires
 on my old 26 MTB grocery getter, with not a thought to handling.  I
 found it skittish  went up to 1.75  it significanlty increased the
 stability.  The old MTB was probably designed for 2 knobbies, so the
 1.25 street tires were definitely sub-optimal.

 dougP

 On May 11, 2:31 pm, Michael Gordon meisengor...@sbcglobal.net wrote:







  List,

  I just read a post from Patrick Moore with thread title to make 26
  rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?, the quote is, Jan's
  idea that smaller wheels ought to have fatter tires for the best
  handling compared to larger wheels has not been true in my
  experience.  I have read similar statements from others and wanted to
  comment.

  I did actually purchase the Bicycle Quarterly (BQ) article, although I
  don't have it on hand as I write.  As I recall, the handling of 3
  bikes with similar geometry but different wheelsize was compared.  The
  BQ conclusion was that the bikes handled differently depending on tire
  width, and the purported explanation was that the moment of inertia of
  the wheel was the cause of a difference in handling.  Since wider
  tires are generally heavier, and smaller diameter wheels light, one
  may infer the recommendation that smaller diameter wheels should have
  wider tires than larger diameter wheels.

  Here's what I want to challenge: the geometry of the 3 bikes was
  similar, I believe they all used a 73 degree head angle.  So yes, if
  you want to keep the head angle constant as wheel size changes (and it
  is a head angle commonly used for road bikes with 700C wheels), then
  probably a mountain bike diameter 26 wheel and a skinny tire is not
  the best combination.

  However, bike designers (at least the better ones) know to change
  (decrease) the head angle and other aspects of the frame geometry for
  a smaller diameter / similar tire width wheel precisely because the
  steering of the smaller diameter and lower moment of inertia wheel is
  quicker and the stability is less.  So, I don't think the BQ article
  proved a 26 wheel bike has poor handling with narrow tires, it just
  showed that if the geometry is taken say from a design that works well
  for narrow 700C wheels and no compensating changes are made, the
  handling will be sub-optimal.

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Re: [RBW] Fast 650B Tire Options

2011-05-11 Thread Bruce
I find the Maxy Fastys and GB Cypres to be about as fast as the Paris, but not 
as smooth. 





From: Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:54 PM
Subject: [RBW] Fast 650B Tire Options

I am looking to make my Bleriot my main road bike so I want to trade
out the Col de Vie's for something quicker.  I know that the Pari-
Motos are well respected but I wanted to see if there was a good
option that is slightly more affordable. If they are the best I will
cough up the dough but want to see what others said.

Also if someone has a set of Pari's used they want to sell I would be
open for that. :)

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[RBW] Beautification

2011-05-11 Thread James Valiensi
Aged to perfection reminds me of Grant's Beautification article. Rivendell's, 
(like some men) definitely improve their looks with age  wear; iphones, not so 
much.
The Canon in the article should have been compared to a well used Canon F-1.


http://designmind.frogdesign.com/blog/aged-to-perfection.html

James Valiensi, PE
Northridge, CA
H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
 

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[RBW] Fast 650B Tire Options

2011-05-11 Thread Johnny Alien
Nice article but I am confused.

On May 11, 8:19 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:
 Aged to perfection reminds me of Grant's Beautification article. Rivendell's, 
 (like some men) definitely improve their looks with age  wear; iphones, not 
 so much.
 The Canon in the article should have been compared to a well used Canon F-1.

 http://designmind.frogdesign.com/blog/aged-to-perfection.html

 James Valiensi, PE
 Northridge, CA
 H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796









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[RBW] Re: FS: 2006 Riv Rambouillet 54cm

2011-05-11 Thread johnb
Buyer backed out. This bike is for sale again.

On May 11, 7:23 am, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sold

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Re: [RBW] Fast 650B Tire Options

2011-05-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 16:20 -0700, Bruce wrote:
 I find the Maxy Fastys and GB Cypres to be about as fast as the Paris,
 but not as smooth. 


Needless to say, your observations do not agree with BQ's tire tests.



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[RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread cwr
What brand is the kickstand? I've never seen one like that.


On May 11, 12:41 pm, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
 have a Rom with Ortliebs?

 My Romulus, palping the standard blue 
 colourway:https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#55454758...

 Pannier color 
 options:http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg

 Thanks,
 Curtis

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[RBW] Re: Color-Coordination Assistance: Which color Ortlieb panniers for the Romulus?

2011-05-11 Thread Philip Williamson
This is five months to the day from our scheduled (but rained out)
list-wide BikeSnob love/hate party, as announced last Fall.

I like the orange panniers, especially with the background in that
picture. In a less neutral world, I'd consider the dark blue ones. I
think they would look really nice with the light blue bike. But I like
orange. And blue. Together. On bikes. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5460613522/

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On May 11, 4:56 pm, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lynne, that's very helpful, the grey definitely looks sharp. Much to think
 about. Thanks to you and all of those who actually helped me in my
 decision-making with this thread.









 On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:
  I've got a Bleriot (minty blue), and went for the silver-gray
  Ortliebs.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/5227786161/

  On May 11, 10:41 am, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote:
   I'm leaning towards the orange or the yellow, what's your vote? Anyone
   have a Rom with Ortliebs?

   My Romulus, palping the standard blue colourway:
 https://picasaweb.google.com/curtisrschmitt/RivendellRomulus#55454758...

   Pannier color options:
 http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/ortlieb-front-roller-cl-pnr-10-zoom.jpg

   Thanks,
   Curtis

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Re: [RBW] Rivs in tropical downpour

2011-05-11 Thread Rene Sterental
Very cool photos, very cool bikes!

Rene

Sent from my iPad

On May 11, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 just thought I'd share this photo I took on my buddy Paul's camera of
 Paul and Kip's Rivendells (Sam and Bomba) in some seriously wet
 conditions here in Chiang Mai, Thailand. Paul was sorry he removed his
 fenders a few days prior. Probably his fault the rains came early this
 year...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/5675225060/in/photostream/

 Cheers,

 Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Rivs in tropical downpour

2011-05-11 Thread doug peterson
Gernot:

We had rain like that in January, between Chiang Rai  Chiang Kong.
The highway dept decided to completely tear up several kilometers of
pavement and re-do everything at once.  No paved bypass, just slog
thru the red clay along with everyone else.  There I was on a rental
bike with no fenders  25 mm tires.  Not the only time on that trip I
sorely missed my Atlantis!

Thailand is one of the most civilized adventure touring locations
anywhere.  I can't read many of the signs but I can spot a blue
Nestle's cooler at 100 meters.  Easy to get lost but also easy to
figure out where to go.  Lots of friendly people, good food, 
affordable lodgings.

dougP

On May 11, 8:00 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 just thought I'd share this photo I took on my buddy Paul's camera of
 Paul and Kip's Rivendells (Sam and Bomba) in some seriously wet
 conditions here in Chiang Mai, Thailand. Paul was sorry he removed his
 fenders a few days prior. Probably his fault the rains came early this
 year...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/5675225060/in/photostream/

 Cheers,

 Gernot

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[RBW] Re: to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

2011-05-11 Thread velomann
Regarding a higher spin... Here's a slightly related story about my
century ride last Saturday. I rode the local RACC (Ride Around Clark
County) just across the river in Washington. Mostly rural, quite a few
hills with total elevation in 100 miles just a tidge under 5000'. I
didn't decide until last minute which bike to ride, but since showers
were (accurately) forecast for all day I stuck with my fendered 86
Nishiki tourer. Front and rear rack, Acorn bag, 27 wheels with ugly 
cheap Kenda nylon 27x1-1/4 tires. 50/38/26 triple in front and 6-speed
freewheel in the rear on a 40-spoke wheel with Super Champion rims. In
short, I was riding a pig over hill and dale. But it's my pig, you
know? Anyway, I didn't set any personal records, but did focus on
trying to keep the spin at a pretty high RPM. I was pleasantly
surprised to average 15.1 MPH for the day and a saddle time of just
over 6:30. And I felt pretty good at the end. No knee pain, which was
a problem last time I did this ride on a lighter bike. BTW, I got
started about 30 minutes later than planned, got a mile out and
realized I'd forgotten my sunglasses, and went back for them. By then
everyone who was in a hurry was long gone. I usually had another rider
or 2 in sight, but essentially rode solo with no pacelines at all.

On May 11, 5:48 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 My 559 go-fast set up is with 28mm Conti Ultra-Gatorskins at 85 psi.
 sporty set up is Tim's Paselas at 75 psi. 65 psi makes these quite comfy, 
 but slower.
 37 mm Paselas are plusher, but can be pumped up make them a bit quicker if 
 need be.

 Tim mentions training for speed too. As in, developing a higher rpm spin 
 instead of casually mashing the pedals as you take in the countryside.



 
 From:Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net

 2.  Buy tires that roll fast.  I like the Panaracer Pasela 26 x 1.25 the 
 best.  Thick rubber and lots of tread slows you down.

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