[RBW] Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Joe Bernard]

There's an orange 62 that's been haunting Craigslist and EBay for quite a 
while. Search "Rivendell jaxed".

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Michael Hechmer]

Brother Beaker, that's heart braking.  Truly.  Have you decided to let your 
son live?  I would love to be able to help you but I am certainly not 
willing to part with my Ram.  Do check with both you auto and homeowners 
insurance, unless you have very large deductibles.  Let us know how this 
works out.

Good luck,
Michael

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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Michael Hechmer]

I think it depends on whether it's important to you to live in a world where 
workers are paid a living wage, work in a safe environment, have access to 
health care and can look forward to a secure life after their working years 
are over.   Sometimes the "bargains" we get are with the devil.

michael


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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for summer-weight wool?

[hobie]

Brian. NYC just had a big heatwave pass through last week. I was riding the 
Riv wool t-shirt w. the back pocket in the web specials section of their 
site. The tee is is very well made. I found it to be a bit heavy for the 
high temps and humidity in this area. The Smartwool microweight t shirts 
work better for the type of weather I just described. Best to have different 
weights and layer. 

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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Pondero]

Not to be contrary, but I think it SHOULD cost what someone is willing
to pay.  In other words, both parties should be satisfied with the
exchange.  That's the beauty of the whole mutually beneficial economy
thing.

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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[newenglandbike]

Well said Michael.


-Matt

On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:59:04 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote:
>
> I think it depends on whether it's important to you to live in a world 
> where workers are paid a living wage, work in a safe environment, have 
> access to health care and can look forward to a secure life after their 
> working years are over.   Sometimes the "bargains" we get are with the 
> devil.
>
> michael
>
>
>

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[RBW] Cracked B.17 Tension Bolt-- What to do?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I replaced one. it *was* a bit tricky. I even had to saw the old one into two 
pieces "in situ" in order to be able to remove it. A Dremel would've made it 
easier to do that. But I'm not terribly "handy". So if I could do it, most 
people probably can too.

In my case, there were at least 270+ reasons it bent within 9 months. *And * I 
probably over-tightened it (way more than just one time). And I wonder if the 
fact that it sat and was ridden and was tightened in very very cold weather 
(below zero Fahrenheit) pretty often had something to do with its early demise.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[rperks]

While very nice the new crop, GB and Craft, of brazed stems from nitto
make the lugged stems look like a deal at $165.  Lucky for me these
are shorter than I need, 25.4 clamp size is not often in my stable,
and temptation is not a burden.


Rob



On Jul 25, 5:32 pm, William  wrote:
> Really tempting eye candy.  Made by Nitto just for Grand Bois.  That would
> look great on a nice clean randoneuse.  
>
> http://www.compasscycle.com/Stems.html

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for summer-weight wool?

[malarz]

Well yeah, at a $175 it'd better be good!!!

How about something at a price point for the other 95% of us?

ken


On Jul 25, 7:28 pm, bilb  wrote:
> rapha lightweight jersey is totally awesome.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Esteban wrote:
> > Woolistic lightweight ss jersey works well.  Smartwool and Icebreaker
> > t-shirts are tough to beat in the heat... but they're just t-shirts in
> > the best sense.
>
> > Esteban
> > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > On Jul 25, 11:25 am, Zack  wrote:
> > > I love my ibex stuff.  

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Re: [RBW] Cracked B.17 Tension Bolt-- What to do?

[Ken Freeman]

I don't know the construction exactly, but you could just take the saddle to
your local hardware store and see if they can help you fit a replacement
bolt. I'd suggest a stainless steel Allen head bolt. If this approach is
reasonable, I'd expect to pay about $3.00 max for the bolt, associated
washers, and possibly a nut, if the saddle doesn't have a captive nut
already.  I would not do anything with a Dremel tool.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> I replaced one. it *was* a bit tricky. I even had to saw the old one into
two pieces "in situ" in order to be able to remove it. A Dremel would've
made it easier to do that. But I'm not terribly "handy". So if I could do
it, most people probably can too.
>
> In my case, there were at least 270+ reasons it bent within 9 months. *And
* I probably over-tightened it (way more than just one time). And I wonder
if the fact that it sat and was ridden and was tightened in very very cold
weather (below zero Fahrenheit) pretty often had something to do with its
early demise.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Leslie]

A)
It's been awhile since I've been by there, but last I was, Mountain Sports 
Ltd in Bristol, VA, had a couple of Rambouillet frames left.
(276) 466-8988http://www.mountainsportsltd.com/biking.php

B)
I know it's not the same, but, if I didn't have my Rambouillet, I'd order a 
Roadeo.  





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RE: [RBW] Re: 650b Rim Woes

[Larry Powers]

The rims are two large in diameter.  It is nearly impossible to get the tires 
on the CR18's even in the shop with heavy irons and impossible on the road with 
plastic tire irons.   On the ZAC's it is hard to get the tires on but it is not 
terrible.  The bead won't seat in the rim though.  There is always a point 
where the bead is too low and won't come up making for a nice low spot in the 
tire.  Both documented problems that I found after I bought.

Larry Powers 
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

 

> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:26:05 -0700
> Subject: [RBW] Re: 650b Rim Woes
> From: dmg...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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> How are they oversized and unusable? Like, you can't mount a tire on
> them?
> There are a couple of disc-only rims (WTB, Stan's), if you don't need
> a braking surface.
> 
> Dan
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RE: [RBW] Re: 650b Rim Woes

[Larry Powers]

The twing hollow isn't bad looking.  I am leaning towards the VO rims since 
this is a touring a trail bike.  I may then get the Twin Hollows to build up a 
backup set of rims. 

Larry Powers 
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

 

> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:02:33 -0700
> Subject: [RBW] Re: 650b Rim Woes
> From: subfas...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> The Velocity twin hollow is a great bargain.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 10:31 pm, Thomas Nezovich  wrote:
> > I will second that the VO Diagonale 650b rims look good and are nicely 
> > priced at $50 each.  I just built a pair of wheels with these rims today 
> > and they went together very nicely. And they are shiny.
> > On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Larry Powers wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I have had bad luck with two sets 650b rims, CR18's and ZAC-19's.  Both 
> > > are oversized and unusable.  The CR18's are my go to rims for commuting 
> > > and touring since they are a sturdy, functional rim and a reasonable 
> > > price.  I need to find a set of rims for my wife's Bleriot and I have 
> > > been unable to find a rim at the price point and quality of the CR18's.  
> > > My only current options appear to be the Velocity, VO and Grand Bois.  
> > > The VO rims seem to be the closest to what I am looking for.  Have I 
> > > missed any rims?
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > > Larry Powers
> >
> > > Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain
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RE: [RBW] Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Larry Powers]

I would look at the Homer Hilson if you are looking for a good all around bike. 
 I love my Rambouillet but if I missed out on the, I would be looking at the 
Hilson for a randoneuriung/club ride/light touring bike.  My one complaint 
about the Rambouillet is that It won't take 32mm tires (with fenders) which are 
my favorite size.  If you want a go fast bike look at the Roadeo but if you are 
commuting with bags then the Hilson is probably the better bike.  The 
Rambouillet kinda of splits the difference between the two.

Larry Powers 
 
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> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:51:59 -0700
> Subject: [RBW] Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet
> From: vargo.m...@gmail.com
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> 
> I have, until a week ago, been the proud and happy owner of a 62 cm,
> blue Rambouillet, which I bought about 10 years ago and tweaked
> slowly, most recently adding a Nitto rear rack for two Swiss Army ammo
> panniers.
> 
> And, then, the 17-year-old brain of my son decided that if you take
> the bike off the rack on the Jeep, you should lean the bike against
> the rear bumper of the Nissan. The inevitable ensued and my beautiful
> Rambouillet is no more. The seat, bars and the rear cassette are
> about all that survived.
> 
> I am not dogmatic about the color, but I have a comfort factor getting
> the same frame again . . . even compared to another Rivendell build.
> 
> I ride primarily by myself and have a 10-mile commute with about 1,000
> feet of elevation change. My "long" rides run 30-50 miles at a
> snail's pace. In my area (the Black Hills of South Dakota), it is not
> really possible to ride more than a few miles on the flat, so I do
> have to climb.
> 
> Any comments concerning possible alternatives are also appreciated.
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Re: RE: [RBW] Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Zack]

Yep, that orange ram has been around for at least 6 months.  Is a beauty 
too.  Sorry about your loss.

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for summer-weight wool?

[Zack]

Wool is expensive, the rapha jersey is only a bit more than the ibex ones. 
 It's worth the premium though.  (Living in Vermont, I have the benefit of 
going to the ibex tent sale, where I can pick up the year's wool on the 
cheap).

The 17.5 micron ibex shirts are my favorite for super hot weather.  


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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Zack]

It should cost a price which allows the businesses that create the parts to 
sustain themselves.

I think that Rivendells are probably priced too low. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Zack]

I had this same quandary in May.

I went to Riv, which was awesome and fun and totally worth it, and rode them 
both.

They are both fantastic bikes.  

I ended up going with the Hillborne just because it felt more like bikes 
that I am used to riding (only way, way better).  

For the record, I am not a huge fan of the kidney bean and grey, but it's 
pretty cool in person.  I liked the orange and grey more.  I like the solid 
color/cream on most other Rivendells more than both of those by a long shot.

I should be getting the SH soon, I cannot wait.  

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Tools

[Zack]

The bondhus screw driver handle allen wrenches are my favorite too Eric, 
have made adding and removing water bottle cages and racks much easier.

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[RBW] Re: Cracked B.17 Tension Bolt-- What to do?

[Peter Pesce]

In the absolute worst case, you can always send it back to Brooks and have 
them repair it. It won't be free, but you won't have lost your 
well-broken-in saddle either.
I'm sure even if you tried a DIY and botched it (not a major botch, but a 
minor one) Brooks would bail you out in the end. They do have great service 
from everything I've heard.


-Pete

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Re: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I think they all ought to be free for me and much more expensive for
anyone else, at least until after I have made my choice.

How the hell can you answer this question except in very general
terms, to wit that it ought to reflect, seriatim, the cost of the
materials, the labor of the skilled artisan, the prevailing economic
realities and the hierarchy of human needs.

And I find it useful to contemplate such questions with a glass of
plonk in hand. (Sometimes in both hands.)

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:35 PM, JL  wrote:
> What is a fair price for a bike?  Not how much is a person willing to
> pay.  Not how much can a bike be sold for.  How much SHOULD a bike (or
> different types of bikes) cost?  There is a wide spectrum of what
> cyclists are willing to pay for their machines.  IMHO most pricing
> debates revolve around how much money a person wants to pay for a
> certain cycle; often (but not always) that amount is less than the
> price advertised.  Pretty often I hear “I would love a Brand X if only
> it were $29.99”.  Obviously I am exaggerating, but maybe that spending
> based thinking is going about it from the wrong angle.  Bicycle
> pricing, like many economic sets, is created with the conflation of
> marketing, consumer demand, and cost.  I think there is a way to
> dilettante a fair price that is neither inflated nor understated.
>
> So I ask again – assuming a retail setting for a non-custom frame and
> fork  – how much should a bike cost?  Just a frame and fork keeps it
> simpler with the entire plethora of factors already present.  Perhaps
> shifting the focus from an individual’s point of view would yield
> interesting information.
>
> can opener in hand
> JL
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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Bill Carter]

It does seem impossible to disassociate what any product "should cost"
- whether bicycles, widgets or cans of tomato soup - from what the
consumer is able and willing to pay.  Without the demand side of the
equation, there would be no supply, at least not for long, and the
given product would disappear from the market place.  It also makes
sense that the product MUST cost more than the cost to design,
manufacture, distribute and market it.  Without some profit incentive
the product again would cease to exist.  So somewhere between
willingness to pay and cost-of-goods (plus some reasonable profit
margin) is where I end up.  All this being said, when discussing
bicycles specifically, the junk being sold by mass marketers is indeed
too cheap to provide that living wage to the workers who make the
things or to provide a safe, reliable, fun-to-ride product for the end
user. Yet they continue to sell these year after year.  On the other
hand, some of the carbon fiber whiz bang stuff sold at the typical LBS
is way over priced in my opinion, but the retail shops themselves
certainly do not make huge mark-ups and many of them struggle to stay
in business.  I agree with Zack that Rivs are likely priced too low,
and so are the frames of most of the master craftsmen builders
around.  We are lucky to have folks like these who love the cycling
sport and culture enough to do what they do for reasons other than
pure economics.

On Jul 26, 9:18 am, Zack  wrote:
> It should cost a price which allows the businesses that create the parts to
> sustain themselves.
>
> I think that Rivendells are probably priced too low.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Tools

[PATRICK MOORE]

If anyone is interested in the grandaddy multi-tool, the Cool Tool,
complete with headset, bb (old cup 'n' cone type) and crank bolt
socket in the cutest little leather pouch (home made), I have one I'll
sell for a reasonable price -- and don't ask me to define reasonable
here; we shall have to work it out by cooperative negotiation. But I
will say that y'all can have it cheap (ish) since it has been idle in
my box for several years -- I've thought that it is too nice to toss
but having no use for it.

Complete and vg. Please make offer.

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Re: [RBW] 3 days in and around the Mt Hood NF

[PATRICK MOORE]

Beautiful; thanks for the photos. It might just inspire me to do a bit
of camping myself in northern NM; tho' I shall have to choose between
the newly skinny-shod Fargo and the Herse; probably the former.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Mike  wrote:
> Got in a few hours ago from 3 days of solo bike camping. Sat and Sun
> were gorgeous days that included many miles on beautiful and perfect
> Forest Service Roads. Sun was exceptionally hot and I felt at one
> point I was on the verge of heat exhaustion. Fortunately as shady and
> beautiful spot on the side of the road presented itself to me and I
> was able to rest a bit and continue on without any problems. As I went
> to sleep that night the stars were out and brilliant with no clouds in
> the sky. Around 1am I woke to lightening and thunder but no rain. I
> got up around 6am, packed up camp and it started raining. The
> temperature had also dropped and it was very cloudy and misty in
> spots. On the descent down Hwy 26 from Government Camp I was pretty
> cold and it stayed cold until I got to Sandy then it started to warm
> up. It was just a really good time.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/collections/72157627157230467/
>
> A week from tomorrow I head out for 8 or 9 days with a friend. Our
> tentative plan, depending on the weather is to head up towards Mt
> Rainer and beyond via Gifford Pinchot NF. If the weather is lousy
> we'll probably head over to eastern OR and maybe down towards Crater
> Lake.
>
> I'm cross posting this to the Surly LHT group.
>
> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Cracked B.17 Tension Bolt-- What to do?

[Tim McNamara]

No and no.

On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Mike On A Bike wrote:

> I'm wondering if I might have contributed to this failure by a)
> grabbing it under the nose to walk it up stairs (to avoid ruining
> dynohub cable) and b) tightening the tension bolt a half turn about 3
> months ago because it felt a bit swaying.

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Re: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

[Tim McNamara]

There is no way to determine "how much a bike should cost."


On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:35 AM, JL wrote:

> What is a fair price for a bike?  Not how much is a person willing to
> pay.  Not how much can a bike be sold for.  How much SHOULD a bike (or
> different types of bikes) cost?  There is a wide spectrum of what
> cyclists are willing to pay for their machines.  IMHO most pricing
> debates revolve around how much money a person wants to pay for a
> certain cycle; often (but not always) that amount is less than the
> price advertised.  Pretty often I hear “I would love a Brand X if only
> it were $29.99”.  Obviously I am exaggerating, but maybe that spending
> based thinking is going about it from the wrong angle.  Bicycle
> pricing, like many economic sets, is created with the conflation of
> marketing, consumer demand, and cost.  I think there is a way to
> dilettante a fair price that is neither inflated nor understated.
> 
> So I ask again – assuming a retail setting for a non-custom frame and
> fork  – how much should a bike cost?  Just a frame and fork keeps it
> simpler with the entire plethora of factors already present.  Perhaps
> shifting the focus from an individual’s point of view would yield
> interesting information.

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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Zack]

Often there are costs that are "externalized" - i.e. not included in the 
sale price.

This is the case with the cheapie bikes that are mass produced for 
department stores by people working in miserable conditions, for 
ridiculously low wages, in factories that pollute the world.  All of that 
has a cost, but it doesn't get factored into the sale price, and people buy 
the stuff because it's cheap.

These same market forces are in play everywhere else in our economy (buying 
a pair of 60 dollar MUSA shorts or a pair of 5 dollar Old Navy shorts, for 
instance).




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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Oh, to be able to go to Riv!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean


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RE: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

"Plonk."  Don't think I've seen that word since I finished the last Rumpole 
book.  It's a good one.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:56 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

I think they all ought to be free for me and much more expensive for anyone 
else, at least until after I have made my choice.

How the hell can you answer this question except in very general terms, to wit 
that it ought to reflect, seriatim, the cost of the materials, the labor of the 
skilled artisan, the prevailing economic realities and the hierarchy of human 
needs.

And I find it useful to contemplate such questions with a glass of plonk in 
hand. (Sometimes in both hands.)

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:35 PM, JL  wrote:
> What is a fair price for a bike?  Not how much is a person willing to 
> pay.  Not how much can a bike be sold for.  How much SHOULD a bike (or 
> different types of bikes) cost?  There is a wide spectrum of what 
> cyclists are willing to pay for their machines.  IMHO most pricing 
> debates revolve around how much money a person wants to pay for a 
> certain cycle; often (but not always) that amount is less than the 
> price advertised.  Pretty often I hear "I would love a Brand X if only 
> it were $29.99".  Obviously I am exaggerating, but maybe that spending 
> based thinking is going about it from the wrong angle.  Bicycle 
> pricing, like many economic sets, is created with the conflation of 
> marketing, consumer demand, and cost.  I think there is a way to 
> dilettante a fair price that is neither inflated nor understated.
>
> So I ask again - assuming a retail setting for a non-custom frame and 
> fork  - how much should a bike cost?  Just a frame and fork keeps it 
> simpler with the entire plethora of factors already present.  Perhaps 
> shifting the focus from an individual's point of view would yield 
> interesting information.
>
> can opener in hand
> JL
>
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[RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[benzzoy]

Although nice, the 25.4 clamp size precludes use with my favorite
handlebar - Soba/Noodle.

Actually, I'm not entirely sure why there is a need for decaleurs.  An
ideal design for me would be something like the Acorn Boxy Rando bag
with its velcro straps, coupled to a rack that is sized for the more-
wide-than-long dimensions of such a bag.  Except for the too-large
porteur racks, front racks all seem long and narrow, which of course
isn't how the rando bags, from Acorn or otherwise, are sized.  A front
bag securely velcro'ed to a completely supportive rack shouldn't move
about nor need a decaleur.

Advantages of a decaleur-free system are many.  Off the top of my
head, I can list these:
1. Lower cost from eliminating the decaleur that can cost quite a bit
as we see in this thread.
2. More freedom to change stem or adjust it, if your decaleur is
coupled to the stem.
3. No need to put small holes in your bag.

Am I missing an entire genre of advantages of decaleurs?

-B


On Jul 26, 12:32 am, William  wrote:
> Really tempting eye candy.  Made by Nitto just for Grand Bois.  That would
> look great on a nice clean randoneuse.  
>
> http://www.compasscycle.com/Stems.html

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for summer-weight wool?

[Peter Pesce]

It's pretty common to find Ibex, Icebreaker and Smartwool stuff on sale with 
a bit of patience. 
Probably easier in August!
Ibex quality is great, but their sizing and cut is often a bit odd, so it's 
important to try before you buy if possible.

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Brett Lindenbach]

i believe that it was finally sold after the owner parted it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120746107328

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Tools

[benzzoy]

On Jul 25, 5:35 pm, Brewster Fong  wrote:
> As for tools, if you have Campy or Shimano hubs or any other with ball
> bearing and cup & cone,  then you must get Campy cone wrenches:
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I4Snyzw2IMM/TQzmirh_XRI/FqY/rzL26lZ...

Unfortunately, the last two generation of Campagnolo Record and Chorus
hubs (from '99 on) do not require cone wrenches to work on.  At least
that's the excuse I provide to avoid having to spend $$$ for a set of
Campagnolo cone wrenches.  (Shimano hubs don't require anything more
than Park wrenches, especially since at least a couple require the
17mm that Campagnolo do not make)

-B

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[RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[Brett Lindenbach]

most dex are a form of quick-release, you just pick up your bag and walk 
away.  no need to unstrap it, but at a considerable cost.  btw, i recently 
purchased a vo headset-mounted dec and didn't like it.  i would be willing 
to trade or sell it to anyone interested.

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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[dan gee]

> I think that Rivendells are probably priced too low.

Considering that you can get a full custom US-made bike made for a few
hundred less than any of the non-Taiwainese stock bikes, I'm going to
respectfully disagree here. Obviously people are willing to pay that
much, but those prices put Rivs out of the reach of many of us, and
there are many comparable Taiwanese options (Surly, Soma, Handsome)
that cost as little as half of what the Rivs do. Granted, with
powdercoats and without lugs, but still.

I really with there was a modern equivalent of the Heron - something
that embodies the principles of Riv's design, but without all the
frills and decoration that would raise the price, and without all the
design oddities that limit the market. Make a mass-market all-rounder
in Taiwan, use the economies of scale to get a good price on the
manufacture, and put something in the public's hands that would be an
alternative to the carbon racing bikes that most people find
themselves steered to in bike shops.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Jeff H]

I am also in the process of making the same decison: Hunq or
Hilborne.. my PBH is around 85...  budget is $3500... use is off and
on road...

I was there yesterday, Mon. July 25, prepared to make a decision
leaning a bit more to the Hillborne when I was made aware of a couple
changes on the Hillborne.:
Color for one.. a green that is purported to have been used on early
Porsches that closely approximates asparagus soup... not bad  just
takes getting used to it , of more concern to me was the labelling...
a bit too much information and large...minor point.. I like the
monchromatic paint.. not the label size or color.
Double top tubes... said to be a strength issue for the size and
geometry given the type of tubing used
And thirdly  the main mechanical item... side pull brakes... not
cantilever as found on the previous offerings...
So.. if you are wanting cantilevers... the Hillborne is not the
unit... unless you want to wait for a Waterford made frame and pay
$450 more..not an option I'd choose.
I was assured that the side pulls would be fine on and off road which
makes, which I do not doubt, but  me wonder why cantilevers are used
on the more off road leaning models such as the Hunq and Bombadil...
not side pulla... just a point of interest.

The Hunq was a very interesting bike...and rode well  I am not
fond of the white pinstriping.. all else ok...  In my size, a 54, this
would be a 700 C bike...
This bike comes with cantilever brakes and will accomodate the largest
of the tires.
This size does not have the extra tube another factor based on the
geopmetry for my size and the tubing used.

So ... I made no decision...   I would probably have selected the
Hillborne if it was a cantilever brake... but not inclined to wait for
a Waterford or pay the additional $450.. I'd rather use the $450 on
another bike model or equipment.

After discussions with a couple folks there... the decison seemed to
them to come down to choice of tire size.and simply  accept the
colors and brakes offered on the bike of choice.  A simple decision ?
perhaps... but when contemplating an expenditure of roughly $3k I'd
like to hit as many bases as possible, including the old fashioned gut
feeling that THE  choice is obvious choice.

I don't think there were any bad choices

Best of luck with your decision and consider the brake   issue... side
pull or Cantilever.. that may make a difference to you.







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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Brother Beaker]

Thanks for the referral, but he apparently parted the bike out when he
couldn't get his price for the full build.

On Jul 26, 1:40 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> There's an orange 62 that's been haunting Craigslist and EBay for quite a 
> while. Search "Rivendell jaxed".

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 62cm Rambouillet

[Brother Beaker]

I do have coverage, less a $250 deductible.  The best news is that it
covers replacement value.  (Frankly, that's the only way I can afford
to be looking.)

If I can't find a Ram, I will have to decide what bike is the closest
in ride and then convince the insurance company that the new bike is
an even trade for the old.

My fear is getting a new frame and discovering that it does not
replicate the Ram for my riding habits and style.

And he is alive.  I told him that means that he never again has to
wonder if I love him.

On Jul 26, 4:49 am, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Brother Beaker, that's heart braking.  Truly.  Have you decided to let your
> son live?  I would love to be able to help you but I am certainly not
> willing to part with my Ram.  Do check with both you auto and homeowners
> insurance, unless you have very large deductibles.  Let us know how this
> works out.
>
> Good luck,
> Michael

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Re: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Also called "vin *tres* ordinaire.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> "Plonk."  Don't think I've seen that word since I finished the last Rumpole 
> book.  It's a good one.
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RE: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Or (in my case) "swill."  Has the same salutary effect on my thought processes, 
though, no matter what you call it. 

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Also called "vin *tres* ordinaire.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
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> "Plonk."  Don't think I've seen that word since I finished the last Rumpole 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[CycloFiend]

on 7/26/11 6:41 AM, dan gee at dmg...@gmail.com wrote:

>> I think that Rivendells are probably priced too low.
> 
> Considering that you can get a full custom US-made bike made for a few
> hundred less than any of the non-Taiwainese stock bikes, I'm going to
> respectfully disagree here. Obviously people are willing to pay that
> much, but those prices put Rivs out of the reach of many of us, and
> there are many comparable Taiwanese options (Surly, Soma, Handsome)
> that cost as little as half of what the Rivs do. Granted, with
> powdercoats and without lugs, but still.
> 
> I really with there was a modern equivalent of the Heron - something
> that embodies the principles of Riv's design, but without all the
> frills and decoration that would raise the price, and without all the
> design oddities that limit the market. Make a mass-market all-rounder
> in Taiwan, use the economies of scale to get a good price on the
> manufacture, and put something in the public's hands that would be an
> alternative to the carbon racing bikes that most people find
> themselves steered to in bike shops.

At the risk of veering this general, OT thread further off into the rough, a
couple quick thoughts:

Working backwards (and hopefully back towards the RBW topic of this list),
US bike shops historically have been staffed by racing-oriented staff.
People were steered to light, steel crit bikes before they were steered to
light, carbon race bikes. It takes a decision by the owner(s) to focus on a
different portion of the market, which was largely unpopular and
unprofitable until recently.  The Specialized Globe of ~1993 looks one
heckuva lot like the various "urban" bikes being marketed now, but pretty
much failed in the market when it was brought out. It wasn't a mountain
bike, which at the time, made it invisible to the sales staffs.

As far as the mythical all-rounder project, it's a bit tricky to hold up a
model which may or may not have been profitable as  benchmark.  There have
been companies and endeavours which have come and gone over the years, doing
just that. Heron and Kogswell both come to mind. Rivendell has continued to
exist and thrive. 

Both Surly and Soma are part of larger companies (QBP and Merry Sales) which
give them a bit more flexibility of cash flow and resources than a small
operation. If 50-100 bike frames they ordered don't sell, they can probably
weather the lull, then close them out through a distributed dealer network,
and not end up having to close up shop because of that.

Perhaps there can be no modern equivilent of the Heron because it is a
flawed concept (wait a second - I do really like the bikes - I'm trying to
make a larger point here...).  From a buyer's perspective, why pay for lugs
and paint when a TIG'ed Surly can be had a bit cheaper?  Or, conversely, if
I'm spending "X" dollars, why not get something with a bit more going on?

What I'm getting at is (IMO) the "middle" can be a dangerous place.  The
middle is about maximum volume, which means a ton of dealers, low profit
margins and making up the difference in quantity.

I think Rivendell has always focused on figuring out their core elements,
honing in on that essence, then doing it better than anyone. In 1995, simply
making a well designed, lugged steel road frame was an anomolie. As larger
companies and smaller builders found subsequent success in that vein, it
seems to me that Grant realized their core element was then and would
continue to be a bit of a moving target.  The designs have continued to be
refined and articulated. They all ride exceedingly well, and remain
versatile and unique designs.  A "stock" Rivendell is not really the same as
a mass-market bicycle from one of the big manufacturers.

While we may not want to personally own every single model, there's more
than likely one which provides something that nothing else does.

If not, there certainly are other options.  And we are all the richer for
the diversity and resources which now exist.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Leslie]

I don't think the sidepull/cantilever difference is so much in performance, 
but in clearance:   If you have a really fat knobby tire, you might have to 
deflate it to get it out of a sidepull, even one with a quick-release to 
widen the mouth;  whereas a cantilever or a v-brake is going to open up a 
lot wider to get the tire out.

If you're running a not-as-wide tire, in a large-enough sidepull that has a 
quick-release, you probably won't have to deflate it to get it out.   

Some canti's may stop more than others, but stick out more than others, if 
that's a concern.   Sidepulls wouldn't stick out at all.  Running bags may 
influence that choice, too.   

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[RBW] Re: 650b Rim Woes

[Montclair BobbyB]

I feel your pain, Larry... I had fit problems with my ZAC 19s, and
struggled to find reasonably-priced, good 650B wheels... it was a big
hassle (going back 2-3 years) and I finally gave up. And I'm still not
entirely convinced I'd build any wheels other than 26 or 700c, based
on my experience.  The industry seems to have reacted too slowly (in
my opinion) to the demand for 650B, but hopefully things are finally
starting to look better. Maybe I need to give it another chance...
I've got a project bike that screams for a pair of Grand Bois
Hetres


On Jul 25, 7:58 pm, Larry Powers  wrote:
> I have had bad luck with two sets 650b rims, CR18's and ZAC-19's.  Both are 
> oversized and unusable.  The CR18's are my go to rims for commuting and 
> touring since they are a sturdy, functional rim and a reasonable price.  I 
> need to find a set of rims for my wife's Bleriot and I have been unable to 
> find a rim at the price point and quality of the CR18's.  My only current 
> options appear to be the Velocity, VO and Grand Bois.  The VO rims seem to be 
> the closest to what I am looking for.  Have I missed any rims?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Larry Powers
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Bruce Baker]

I don't think any of you should over analyze this buy one of each!!  If any
of you are interested in the old green Sam Hillborne Mountain sports in
Bristol, TN has some frames.  I bought a 56 cm from them
about 6 months ago.  They bought alot of frames when they first came out.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Leslie  wrote:

> I don't think the sidepull/cantilever difference is so much in performance,
> but in clearance:   If you have a really fat knobby tire, you might have to
> deflate it to get it out of a sidepull, even one with a quick-release to
> widen the mouth;  whereas a cantilever or a v-brake is going to open up a
> lot wider to get the tire out.
>
> If you're running a not-as-wide tire, in a large-enough sidepull that has a
> quick-release, you probably won't have to deflate it to get it out.
>
> Some canti's may stop more than others, but stick out more than others, if
> that's a concern.   Sidepulls wouldn't stick out at all.  Running bags may
> influence that choice, too.
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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Bill Carter]

On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 7/26/11 6:41 AM, dan gee at dmg...@gmail.com wrote:
> IPerhaps there can be no modern equivilent of the Heron because it is a
flawed concept (wait a second - I do really like the bikes - I'm
trying to
make a larger point here...).  From a buyer's perspective, why pay for
lugs
and paint when a TIG'ed Surly can be had a bit cheaper?

What am I missing here?  Doesn't the original concept of the Heron
still live on in bikes like the Bleriot, the Sam and the new SOMA San
Marcos?  They all sell (or sold) at close to the same price point as
the Heron frames did and they provide a no-frills high quality lugged
frame that the buyer can build up in any number of ways.  While the
jury may be out on the new SOMA, the Bleriot and Sam have been quite
successful.  The Herons came in a road version and a tourer and some
have been successfully converted to 650B.  What may have doomed the
Heron was that Rivendell quit selling them as they brought other
products online that they chose to focus on.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Bruce Baker]

Hey everybody Mountainsports is in VA not TN.
Mountain Sports is located at 1021 Commonwealth Avenue, Bristol, VA 24201.
Get 
Directions

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Bruce Baker  wrote:

> I don't think any of you should over analyze this buy one of each!!  If any
> of you are interested in the old green Sam Hillborne Mountain sports in
> Bristol, TN has some frames.  I bought a 56 cm from them
> about 6 months ago.  They bought alot of frames when they first came out.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Leslie  wrote:
>
>> I don't think the sidepull/cantilever difference is so much in
>> performance, but in clearance:   If you have a really fat knobby tire, you
>> might have to deflate it to get it out of a sidepull, even one with a
>> quick-release to widen the mouth;  whereas a cantilever or a v-brake is
>> going to open up a lot wider to get the tire out.
>>
>> If you're running a not-as-wide tire, in a large-enough sidepull that has
>> a quick-release, you probably won't have to deflate it to get it out.
>>
>> Some canti's may stop more than others, but stick out more than others, if
>> that's a concern.   Sidepulls wouldn't stick out at all.  Running bags may
>> influence that choice, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 08:16 -0700, benzzoy wrote:
> Although nice, the 25.4 clamp size precludes use with my favorite
> handlebar - Soba/Noodle.
> 
> Actually, I'm not entirely sure why there is a need for decaleurs.  An
> ideal design for me would be something like the Acorn Boxy Rando bag
> with its velcro straps, coupled to a rack that is sized for the more-
> wide-than-long dimensions of such a bag.  Except for the too-large
> porteur racks, front racks all seem long and narrow, which of course
> isn't how the rando bags, from Acorn or otherwise, are sized.  A front
> bag securely velcro'ed to a completely supportive rack shouldn't move
> about nor need a decaleur.
> 
> Advantages of a decaleur-free system are many.  Off the top of my
> head, I can list these:
> 1. Lower cost from eliminating the decaleur that can cost quite a bit
> as we see in this thread.
> 2. More freedom to change stem or adjust it, if your decaleur is
> coupled to the stem.
> 3. No need to put small holes in your bag.
> 
> Am I missing an entire genre of advantages of decaleurs?

You're probably thinking only of a very short bag.  Very short bags
don't need much in the way of support on top.  A taller bag will flop
around unless it's supported on top, even if it is bolted right to the
rack on the bottom.  And you really do not want your front bag flopping
around.

What of a rack with an integral decaleur?  Many builders make them.
Again, for a short bag, they probably work ok - at least, for a while.
Trouble is, as BQ had found on at least a couple of tests, the movement
of the bag tends to break the integral decaleur right off. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bruce Baker  wrote:
> Hey everybody Mountainsports is in VA not TN.
> Mountain Sports is located at 1021 Commonwealth Avenue, Bristol, VA 24201.
> Get Directions
>

Bristol, TN and Bristol, VA are the same city.

MSL is on the VA side of state street, true - but it doesn't matter a
hill of beans which one you list.

The guys there are quite nice, and go digging around in their misc
parts, they have some NOS things you might want.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Tim McNamara]

There have been some of those- the joint venture with Soma and the joint 
venture with QBP (albeit that was 650B which might have limited the market).  
But the problem is labor cost.  Having built one frame under the guidance of a 
friend who has a frame building business, the labor involved is considerable.  
If you build it in the US, I'd bet there's $500 in labor costs in the frame 
alone; in Japan, more.  Build them in China where labor costs are 1/10 of 
industrialized Western nations and you can cut that a lot but then you have all 
the other issues involved...


On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:41 AM, dan gee wrote:

> I really with there was a modern equivalent of the Heron - something
> that embodies the principles of Riv's design, but without all the
> frills and decoration that would raise the price, and without all the
> design oddities that limit the market. Make a mass-market all-rounder
> in Taiwan, use the economies of scale to get a good price on the
> manufacture, and put something in the public's hands that would be an
> alternative to the carbon racing bikes that most people find
> themselves steered to in bike shops.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[James Black]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:16, benzzoy  wrote:
> Actually, I'm not entirely sure why there is a need for decaleurs.  An
> ideal design for me would be something like the Acorn Boxy Rando bag
> with its velcro straps, coupled to a rack that is sized for the more-
> wide-than-long dimensions of such a bag.

Speaking from experience (Acorn bag on a custom made 8" wide rack),
the velco is entirely inadequate to stabilize the bag. My friend and I
designed a custom decaleur with the primary goal of laterally
stabilizing the bag, and it works like a charm.

http://www.appleblock.com/decaleur.php

Although reading your post gave me the idea that I might put some
bigger and stronger velcro on the bag bottom and improve performance
even with the decaleur.

James Black
Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[CycloFiend]

on 7/26/11 10:20 AM, Bill Carter at bcarter...@charter.net wrote:

> What am I missing here?  Doesn't the original concept of the Heron
> still live on in bikes like the Bleriot, the Sam and the new SOMA San
> Marcos?  They all sell (or sold) at close to the same price point as
> the Heron frames did and they provide a no-frills high quality lugged
> frame that the buyer can build up in any number of ways.  While the
> jury may be out on the new SOMA, the Bleriot and Sam have been quite
> successful.  The Herons came in a road version and a tourer and some
> have been successfully converted to 650B.  What may have doomed the
> Heron was that Rivendell quit selling them as they brought other
> products online that they chose to focus on.

I was assuming that part of the OP's point was a model in which there
weren't 2TT's or 650B/584 wheelsets involved.

At the time it was released, there was a small but vocal segment who felt
the Bleriot should not have been a 650B/584 specific model, just as now
there are those who feel a 2TT is a deal breaker.

I'm firmly in the camp that the Sam Hillborne and San Marcos provide a way
to get Rivendell-designed handling and versatility at a moderate price
point.

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[RBW] Packing for a non-cooking 7-day tour

[Esteban]

Here's what I brought on the Protovelo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5978258089/in/set-72157627241318088/

And what I'd change for next time:
http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/7-day-tour-what-i-brought/

There's really not much difference here than with an S24O.  35-40-lbs
is my limit. At this point in my life, I wouldn't want to take more on
a tour.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: 3 days in and around the Mt Hood NF

[velomann]

Nice pictures and inspiring trip report - I'm getting ready to do a 2-
night trip sometime mid-August and may cover similar ground, or a
Vernonia/Astoria/head south along the coast/Little Nestucca kind of
loop. Did you consider coming back through Hood River and the old
Columbia Highway? Also, is your LHT running 26" tires? how was the
gravel descent off Lolo Pass road?

Mike

On Jul 25, 6:16 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Got in a few hours ago from 3 days of solo bike camping. Sat and Sun
> were gorgeous days that included many miles on beautiful and perfect
> Forest Service Roads. Sun was exceptionally hot and I felt at one
> point I was on the verge of heat exhaustion. Fortunately as shady and
> beautiful spot on the side of the road presented itself to me and I
> was able to rest a bit and continue on without any problems. As I went
> to sleep that night the stars were out and brilliant with no clouds in
> the sky. Around 1am I woke to lightening and thunder but no rain. I
> got up around 6am, packed up camp and it started raining. The
> temperature had also dropped and it was very cloudy and misty in
> spots. On the descent down Hwy 26 from Government Camp I was pretty
> cold and it stayed cold until I got to Sandy then it started to warm
> up. It was just a really good time.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/collections/72157627157230467/
>
> A week from tomorrow I head out for 8 or 9 days with a friend. Our
> tentative plan, depending on the weather is to head up towards Mt
> Rainer and beyond via Gifford Pinchot NF. If the weather is lousy
> we'll probably head over to eastern OR and maybe down towards Crater
> Lake.
>
> I'm cross posting this to the Surly LHT group.
>
> --mike

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[RBW] FS: Yellow Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

This came on my Bridgestone MB-1 and I am going to put a Brooks on it.  A 
few people here expressed that they liked it so I figured I would post it 
here for sale. It is the Max Flite Gel saddle in yellow.  New I think these 
sold for around $160. This one is in good shape.  It has a few darker marks 
but no rips, tears or scuffs. I figure $80 shipped OBO.

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[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Peter Pesce]

It should cost as much as the market will bear.
Bike building is a for-profit enterprise, not a charity, and there is no 
morally-correct value to a bike.
That being said, I do agree that there is a place for value judgments in HOW 
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And, in fact, those are just product differentiators, and many buyers will 
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"ethical" and can't convey that added value to the buyer.

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[RBW] SO/Quickbeam options

[Minh]

So i've been noodling a SimpleOne/Quickbeam for a few months now, i
still might end up with either, thought a QB in my size never seems to
come up anymore.  But while i'm noodling that i really have to
research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best
options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  I know i could do a
surly steamroller, but what else is out there?  In the same style/fit
of the rivendells?

In the end i may end up with an SO because deep down i think that's
what i really want, but want to know all my options!

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Re: [RBW] SO/Quickbeam options

[nawrock]

Get the SO, you will not regret it!  It is awesome! 



Dave Nawrocki 

Fort Collins, CO 



Fort Collins, CO 



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From: "Minh"  
To: "RBW Owners Bunch"  
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:01:24 PM 
Subject: [RBW] SO/Quickbeam options 

So i've been noodling a SimpleOne/Quickbeam for a few months now, i 
still might end up with either, thought a QB in my size never seems to 
come up anymore.  But while i'm noodling that i really have to 
research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best 
options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  I know i could do a 
surly steamroller, but what else is out there?  In the same style/fit 
of the rivendells? 

In the end i may end up with an SO because deep down i think that's 
what i really want, but want to know all my options! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks for all the responses, everybody, it's been very helpful. I've 
avoided the topic, but many of you realize I'm minutes away from RBW, and 
are promoting test rides, which may seem obvious. I won't bore you with the 
details, but my situation makes that difficult (Google Aspergers if you're 
interested in autism spectrum issues). It's do-able, and I've been there 
before, but it's an exhausting process that doesn't come easily for me, 
hence my attempts to get impressions from others here. 
 
Thanks again,
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Fairfield, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[David Faller]

Agreed.  What the market will bear.

When you come right down to it, the topic applies to anything that is 
for sale and is ridiculous to call it a RBW list topic just because it 
speculates on the value of bikes.  How is the original post not "off 
topic" when it really has nothing specifically to do with Riv stuff?




On 7/26/2011 12:34 PM, Peter Pesce wrote:

It should cost as much as the market will bear.
Bike building is a for-profit enterprise, not a charity, and there is 
no morally-correct value to a bike.
That being said, I do agree that there is a place for value judgments 
in HOW a company makes the bike and sells it, that involves labor 
practices, environmental effects, and ethical business practices in 
the marketing and sale of the bike.
And, in fact, those are just product differentiators, and many buyers 
will choose exploitative over ethical if a seller needs to charge more 
for the "ethical" and can't convey that added value to the buyer.

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Re: [RBW] How much should a bike cost?

[Ken Freeman]

Synonymous with "scrumfy?"

On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Also called "vin *tres* ordinaire.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
>  wrote:
>> "Plonk."  Don't think I've seen that word since I finished the last
Rumpole book.  It's a good one.
>>
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[RBW] Re: SO/Quickbeam options

[Jim M.]

On Jul 26, 1:01 pm, Minh  wrote:
>But while i'm noodling that i really have to
> research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best
> options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  

The best option for a single speed is a SimpleOne (or Quickbeam if you
can find one). Nothing else comes close, especially when you ask on
the Rivendell list.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Headset Issue

[erik jensen]

depends where you live.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Most shop kids have never seen a threaded headset.
>
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[RBW] Rivendell official bicycle carrying machine

[PATRICK MOORE]

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5633778760726969778

602cc of massive torque to move its Hummer-like 755 kg. Makes a
chuffing noise like a Model T. Can carry 4 bikes upright if alternated
fr/r.

Next on my "project" list: an early model DS.

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When all the stars are dead.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell official bicycle carrying machine

[Lyle Bogart]

THAT is a thing of beauty!

On 26 July 2011 18:01, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5633778760726969778
>
> 602cc of massive torque to move its Hummer-like 755 kg. Makes a
> chuffing noise like a Model T. Can carry 4 bikes upright if alternated
> fr/r.
>
> Next on my "project" list: an early model DS.
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell official bicycle carrying machine

[PATRICK MOORE]

Wait 'til I get some big, smiley face decals for it. Oh, and a
Rivendell bumper sticker.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Lyle Bogart  wrote:
> THAT is a thing of beauty!
>
> On 26 July 2011 18:01, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5633778760726969778
>>
>> 602cc of massive torque to move its Hummer-like 755 kg. Makes a
>> chuffing noise like a Model T. Can carry 4 bikes upright if alternated
>> fr/r.
>>
>> Next on my "project" list: an early model DS.
>>
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>> Albuquerque, NM
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>> Patrick Moore, ACRW
>> patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com
>>
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>> Blazing high above your head;
>> But in you is the Presence that will be
>> When all the stars are dead.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell official bicycle carrying machine

[islaysteve]

That's awesome, Patrick.  I'd love to have one.  What year is it?  That's 
quite a modern-looking window behind the cab.  You can keep the smiley 
faces; Riv sticker's OK.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?

[Joe Bernard]

I've been on the BOB List off and on for 11 years. This is the very tired 
"are Rivendell's over priced" topic debated there many times, disguised as a 
generic "what bikes cost" thread that doesn't even belong here. 
 
I recently picked up an old Cannondale MTB for $50 that needed wheels and 
levers. Put together, these run about 3-400 around here, certainly more than 
I have invested in it after pulling wheels and levers out of the garage. 
What should it cost? What the seller wanted, $50. What should it cost* you*to 
buy from 
*me.* Whatever I can reasonably talk you into paying. Period. 
 
Joe "have I got a deal for you" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yellow Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

If anyone wants this feel free to shoot an offer.  I have no need for it at 
all.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yellow Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Saddle

[Bill M.]

I'm familiar with the newer versions of these, but this one is
different.  Do you have a photo that shows the top of the saddle?
What I would like to see is the shape of the cutout.

Thanks,

Bill Mennuti

On Jul 26, 4:40 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> If anyone wants this feel free to shoot an offer.  I have no need for it at
> all.

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Re: [RBW] SO/Quickbeam options

[Eric Daume]

The Surly Crosscheck is a better fit than the Steamroller:

- canti brakes
- bigger tire clearance (as much or more than a QB)
- angled dropouts so you can adjust the gearing without screwing up the
brake adjustment

It's possible I'm biased, since I'm a CC owner :)

Another option to check out is the forthcoming Rawland Halvmaane. More like
a SimpleOne in that it has caliper brakes. Which reminds me of the Salsa
Casseroll, another canti-brakes, big tired, smart dropout designed bike.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Minh  wrote:

> So i've been noodling a SimpleOne/Quickbeam for a few months now, i
> still might end up with either, thought a QB in my size never seems to
> come up anymore.  But while i'm noodling that i really have to
> research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best
> options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  I know i could do a
> surly steamroller, but what else is out there?  In the same style/fit
> of the rivendells?
>
> In the end i may end up with an SO because deep down i think that's
> what i really want, but want to know all my options!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Yellow Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/f58f514d.jpg?t=1311727415

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/99350493.jpg?t=1311727430

These look a little darker than it is as it is dark and I am using inside 
light.

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Re: [RBW] SO/Quickbeam options

[cm]

I dont think there is anything that compares to the SO without going custom 
(and the price difference would be substantial). I agonized over this for a 
few months before deciding on the custom. I have never had a custom bike and 
the SO was still on the horizon at the time. If i had know it would arrive 
when it did I probably would have ordered a SO instead. Think of the early 
adopters who paid $900 I dont see how anyone could be unhappy with a SO.

Cheers!
cm 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Norman]

I'm 5'8" and have a PBH of 80.  I have and love my 52 Sam
(Waterford.)  There's plenty of standover room and allows for higher
bars (I have drops on it.)  If I had unlimited cash (and storage),
I'd think about getting a Hunq. or Bombadil, and probably an
Atlantis.  But for one bike, I'm glad I made the choice I did.  It
really does everything I want it for(but maybe not "mountain" biking
and not long distance touring if those are in your itinerary.)  In the
end, I'm sure you'll be happy with either.
Norman

On Jul 26, 4:13 pm, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Thanks for all the responses, everybody, it's been very helpful. I've
> avoided the topic, but many of you realize I'm minutes away from RBW, and
> are promoting test rides, which may seem obvious. I won't bore you with the
> details, but my situation makes that difficult (Google Aspergers if you're
> interested in autism spectrum issues). It's do-able, and I've been there
> before, but it's an exhausting process that doesn't come easily for me,
> hence my attempts to get impressions from others here.
>
> Thanks again,
> Joe Bernard
> Fairfield, CA

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[RBW] Re: SO/Quickbeam options

[EricP]

SimpleOne is canti/V brake.   Otherwise, also agree with Cross Check
(again, biased as I have one). Takes bigger tires than the SimpleOne,
easily 40 w/fenders.  45 or more? without.   Personally also like the
higher bottom bracket and slightly shorter stays.  Oh, yeah, and you
can do this radical thing called multiple gears if the mood hits.
With downtube shifters a swap could probably be finished in under an
hour.  And the Cross Check takes rack and fenders (unlike the
Steamroller).

That said, the SimpleOne just might be my next bike.  Which is totally
not reasonable.  But what the hey.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Jul 26, 7:37 pm, Eric Daume  wrote:
> The Surly Crosscheck is a better fit than the Steamroller:
>
> - canti brakes
> - bigger tire clearance (as much or more than a QB)
> - angled dropouts so you can adjust the gearing without screwing up the
> brake adjustment
>
> It's possible I'm biased, since I'm a CC owner :)
>
> Another option to check out is the forthcoming Rawland Halvmaane. More like
> a SimpleOne in that it has caliper brakes. Which reminds me of the Salsa
> Casseroll, another canti-brakes, big tired, smart dropout designed bike.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Minh  wrote:
> > So i've been noodling a SimpleOne/Quickbeam for a few months now, i
> > still might end up with either, thought a QB in my size never seems to
> > come up anymore.  But while i'm noodling that i really have to
> > research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best
> > options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  I know i could do a
> > surly steamroller, but what else is out there?  In the same style/fit
> > of the rivendells?
>
> > In the end i may end up with an SO because deep down i think that's
> > what i really want, but want to know all my options!
>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

Nah, my mountain biking would be reserved for gentle trails. I have an old 
Cannondale if I ever want to fall over on singletrack at China Camp again. 
And long distance is happily reserved for a big ole recumbent trike seat. It 
looks like I'll still be resorting to picking a color..assuming I even do it 
now. I'm still in the "do I need a new bike" stage right now. Do the 48-52 
Sam's come with cantis?
 
 

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[RBW] Re: SO/Quickbeam options

[RoadieRyan]

Well I would think the SO offers a great choice but since others have
thrown out Surly, and Salsa I will mention that the Handsome Devil
from Handsome cycles much like the CC and Salsa has drop outs to
accommodate the single speed option.  I have only run my HD geared but
it has been a great bike for me in the past 2 years.

On Jul 26, 5:57 pm, EricP  wrote:
> SimpleOne is canti/V brake.   Otherwise, also agree with Cross Check
> (again, biased as I have one). Takes bigger tires than the SimpleOne,
> easily 40 w/fenders.  45 or more? without.   Personally also like the
> higher bottom bracket and slightly shorter stays.  Oh, yeah, and you
> can do this radical thing called multiple gears if the mood hits.
> With downtube shifters a swap could probably be finished in under an
> hour.  And the Cross Check takes rack and fenders (unlike the
> Steamroller).
>
> That said, the SimpleOne just might be my next bike.  Which is totally
> not reasonable.  But what the hey.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Jul 26, 7:37 pm, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Surly Crosscheck is a better fit than the Steamroller:
>
> > - canti brakes
> > - bigger tire clearance (as much or more than a QB)
> > - angled dropouts so you can adjust the gearing without screwing up the
> > brake adjustment
>
> > It's possible I'm biased, since I'm a CC owner :)
>
> > Another option to check out is the forthcoming Rawland Halvmaane. More like
> > a SimpleOne in that it has caliper brakes. Which reminds me of the Salsa
> > Casseroll, another canti-brakes, big tired, smart dropout designed bike.
>
> > Eric
>
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Minh  wrote:
> > > So i've been noodling a SimpleOne/Quickbeam for a few months now, i
> > > still might end up with either, thought a QB in my size never seems to
> > > come up anymore.  But while i'm noodling that i really have to
> > > research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best
> > > options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  I know i could do a
> > > surly steamroller, but what else is out there?  In the same style/fit
> > > of the rivendells?
>
> > > In the end i may end up with an SO because deep down i think that's
> > > what i really want, but want to know all my options!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Yellow Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

Gone.  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: SO/Quickbeam options

[R Gonet]

I have decided to sell my 61 cm. orange QB.  I need to itemize the
accessories and decide on the price, but if you're at all interested,
contact me off-list at richard.go...@earthlink.net.

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[RBW] Re: SO/Quickbeam options

[charlie]

Here is mine all Riv'ed out... well mostly, I prefer the Rando bars. I
waited years to purchase a QB now SimpleOne and I am very happy I made
the decision for the SO. The SO actually has a little thicker tubing
which is good for me in that I am a careful but heavier rider. The
bike is still quite light although I am not sure how much exactly
since I rarely consider the need to know. I have the stock wheels and
they are really nice for the money and have set mine up with gearing
that suits me and my normal terrain. I got mine at the $900 price but
after riding it I would have paid the current price of $1050 without
batting an eye. Believe me, I considered all the other possibilities
and rode an old 1980's glued aluminum and steel frame until I was in
the position to get the new Simple One. Glad I purchased it, you will
be too if you do.


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On Jul 26, 1:01 pm, Minh  wrote:
> So i've been noodling a SimpleOne/Quickbeam for a few months now, i
> still might end up with either, thought a QB in my size never seems to
> come up anymore.  But while i'm noodling that i really have to
> research my alternatives, i'm not up to speed on what's the best
> options for a single-speed frame at the moment.  I know i could do a
> surly steamroller, but what else is out there?  In the same style/fit
> of the rivendells?
>
> In the end i may end up with an SO because deep down i think that's
> what i really want, but want to know all my options!

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[RBW] Re: 3 days in and around the Mt Hood NF

[Mike]

Hey Mike, It would have been nice to come back through Hood River but
I wouldn't want to ride on Hwy 30 which you have to do for quite a few
miles between Hood River and the Old Columbia Highway. It would be
great if it someday went all the way through.

I was using 700x35 tires. The gravel descent on Lolo Pass is kind of
fast at the top and with the sun and shadows it made it hard to see
all the pot holes in the road. There weren't too many but if you hit
one you'd probably go down.

Another 2 night route I want to try is out along the Clackamas River
and up to High Rock above Timothy Lake, camp out and then the next day
ride down towards Tygh Valley and up FS Rd 44 from Dufur to Hwy 35,
camp out and then climb Lolo Pass and return home to Portland. I think
that route will have to wait until next year.

In early Sept I might try riding up Hwy 26 to Government Camp, down
Hwy 35 to Parkdale then get on Lolo Pass and return to Portland in a
day. I think it's only 300k so it can be done in a day.

--mike

On Jul 26, 12:10 pm, velomann  wrote:
> Nice pictures and inspiring trip report - I'm getting ready to do a 2-
> night trip sometime mid-August and may cover similar ground, or a
> Vernonia/Astoria/head south along the coast/Little Nestucca kind of
> loop. Did you consider coming back through Hood River and the old
> Columbia Highway? Also, is your LHT running 26" tires? how was the
> gravel descent off Lolo Pass road?
>
> Mike
>
> On Jul 25, 6:16 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Got in a few hours ago from 3 days of solo bike camping. Sat and Sun
> > were gorgeous days that included many miles on beautiful and perfect
> > Forest Service Roads. Sun was exceptionally hot and I felt at one
> > point I was on the verge of heat exhaustion. Fortunately as shady and
> > beautiful spot on the side of the road presented itself to me and I
> > was able to rest a bit and continue on without any problems. As I went
> > to sleep that night the stars were out and brilliant with no clouds in
> > the sky. Around 1am I woke to lightening and thunder but no rain. I
> > got up around 6am, packed up camp and it started raining. The
> > temperature had also dropped and it was very cloudy and misty in
> > spots. On the descent down Hwy 26 from Government Camp I was pretty
> > cold and it stayed cold until I got to Sandy then it started to warm
> > up. It was just a really good time.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/collections/72157627157230467/
>
> > A week from tomorrow I head out for 8 or 9 days with a friend. Our
> > tentative plan, depending on the weather is to head up towards Mt
> > Rainer and beyond via Gifford Pinchot NF. If the weather is lousy
> > we'll probably head over to eastern OR and maybe down towards Crater
> > Lake.
>
> > I'm cross posting this to the Surly LHT group.
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[charlie]

Ya know its odd how some of us prefer cantis and others side/center
pulls..I really like the ease of set up and brake pad switching of
the side/centerpull brakes over cantis. I've owned/own both and don't
see a difference in performance for the way I ride.
Cantis seem fine for a bike make for really wide rubber but on the
Hillborne I prefer the sidepull option. In my experience the biggest
difference in performance I've seen comes from the type of pad one
uses.

On Jul 25, 2:08 pm, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Being the shallow "I'll take the pretty one" bike buyer that I am, I was
> leaning towards getting a Hunqapillar because I love the grey/kidney-bean
> scheme, then Grant had the *audacity* to introduce a gorgeous new green on
> the Sam. Now I'm relegated to deciding based on that pesky "function"
> criteria. Whatever.
>
> So..I'm 5'-7", 170 lbs., 79PBH, probably on a 48cm with either model.
> Short-to-medium around-town hops, lightly loaded saddlebag, gentle fireroad
> potential. What say yous alls?
>
> Joe Bernard
> Fairfield, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell official bicycle carrying machine

[Rene Sterental]

You're a funny guy!

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:51 PM, islaysteve  wrote:

That's awesome, Patrick.  I'd love to have one.  What year is it?  That's
quite a modern-looking window behind the cab.  You can keep the smiley
faces; Riv sticker's OK.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

My preference for cantis is purely from familiarity; I can set them up in my 
sleep. I've also developed a bit of nostalgia for the "CNC era" selection 
shown in the BikePro Buyer's Guide..the stuff that was flushed by the 
arrival of XTR V-brakes. Incidentally, in spite of the fact that V-brakes 
are supposedly easier to set up, I can't get it right to save my life. 

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[RBW] Re: Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[William]

Who sells the Nitto lugged stem for $165?  Riv asks $215 and in my 
experience they are not marking things up all that much.  

25.4mm is a shortcoming for me as well, but it's a great looking stem.  


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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

Porsche green, eh? That's funny, I just emailed Grant a couple days ago that 
the color reminded me of Pescarolo, a team that runs a car in the 24 Hours 
of Le Mans. After reading your post, I Googled "Porsche green", and came up 
with a vast "green Porsches" collection. Yep, it looks like a mid-'60s 911. 
That's pretty cool.

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