[RBW] WTB Wanted to Buy: Rivendell Nitto Mark's Rack / M-18 front rack
Hi all, A long shot, I know, but my new-to-me Homer (hope to post pics soon!) needs a front rack. Does any one have a used Mark's Rack (or the similar M18 rack) they'd be willing to sell? If so, please let me know your asking price plus shipping to Chicago. I'm happy to just buy the rack, but for anyone interested in trades I have a few Riv-ish items I could factor in: - front and rear set of silver Tektro CR720 Cantilevers - Shimano 9 speed downtube shifters (Dura Ace 7700 9 Speed Bar end lever set without the bar end pods -- could also be used with Paul Thumbies or IRD / Velo Orange thumb shifter mounts). - Dia-Compe Mod 750 (62-78mm reach) center pull brakes, including Surly stainless steel rear cable hanger and Problem Solvers front clamp on cable hanger. - DD Oberlauda German Mirror opened but unused in box. - Nitto Albatross Aluminum bar, 25.4 clamp Thanks! Nate -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fxoU6YUNmWkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale Atlantis
My daughter's pride and joy. She inherited from her Uncle. She lost a battle with cancer 12/31/2010, and I know little about this bike. I want the money to go to a fellowship established in her honor at Washington State University. Help me sell this for her. Please contact me for information and pictures. Ask me questions and tell me how to find the answers and I'll try. It has been suggested I sell it for $2500. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Moscow/Pullman, ID/WA Riv Owners?
I know you're out there! At least two of you. Always either zipping by on your Atlantis or leaving your AHH chained up outside for hours and suddenly...gone. The point: I want me a Riv and would love to talk about and get your take on them before pulling the trigger. Thanks Clark from Moscow, ID -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
I'm on the hills, near the BART station. Actually nearly at the top of the tallest hill, which often necessitates a trip in the car to bring the bike to more suitable riding areas. I've been confined to the neighborhood previously, but have now ventured out with a short trip with the bike rack. - Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/RbYYVksq0V8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Flared drops in the dirt work great, even with a front shock. I know Grant disprefers them, but I think there's a market for Nitto-produced Cunningham bars. And matching tall stems. I've got the vintage WTBs on the Quickbeam, and they're different (better) than the Midge bars on the Bontrager hardtail and the Woodchippers on the Gary Fisher Utopia. I like the hoods for climbing, and the ends for leverage, and I would rather be tucked into the drops on a gravel descent than hanging onto flat bars. Flat bars are fine, and I rode them for years, but I love love love the drops in the dirt. A Bombadil with a painted half-lugged stem and drops would be a real treat. And a two-tone Type II fork (http://stevepottsbicycles.blogspot.com/ 2011/08/type-iis-for-29ers.html). Now we're dreamin'... Newbaum's tape all around, but yet to be installed on the QB. Quickbeam/WTB: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5591101079/ Bontrager/Midge: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5936237230/ Utopia/Woodchipper (ex-hybrid): http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/5911203722/ Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Aug 1, 10:06 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: It's a parts bike that I'm using to try things out on when I get a wild hair. I've actually been planning on selling/donating it for a while, as it's a bit stiff. I've always wanted to replace it with a steel frame - perhaps a Hunqa or Bomba. I really liked the drops and had no real handicap in using them off road - the brake hoods were like the old bar-ends I used to have on my flat bar. I did a lot of bouncing around on rocks, and never lost grip, and the brakes were fine from the hoods as far as power went. The bar-end shifting was not ideal, but really only because shifting bar-ends on mtb trails is a bit slow for the rapid changes you can need. I wound up realizing that for the most part, I only needed a low gear, as when I was going downhill, it was technical enough I could gain great speed by coasting until I got to another steep up. Could probably do most of the trail on a single speed - maybe a 32x21. When I was too low, I put too much torque into the back wheel, and could spin it on the wood ramps. I guess the thing is that the setup actually worked quite well, and I really went into it expecting a major fail due to wrong equipment. Brian On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, That's the first time I see a hardtail with front suspension and drop bars! The BAs look good too. Glad to know that you like them on the dirt. May I ask why you have your bike configured like that? René On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually surprised how good the Big Apples are in the dirt. I'm in Whistler, BC this weekend, and took my old MTB up some blue trail single track with mud, rocks, roots, and even a few twisting bridge ramps, and only had one slight front wheel slip in in a gravelly switchback. They were solid and I stayed quite a ways out front of my knobby shod friend on the ascents and descents. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/5996770108/in/photostream Brian Seattle On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:12 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.comwrote: patrick, the hunqapillar can be light and nimble. the second top tube feels natural to me anymore, and folks often comment on how light my bike is (and it's a 62). i notice the stiffness when i'm out of the saddle pulling on my bullmoose hbars, relative to my atlantis in similar conditions. for a beefy steel frame, it ain't bad. what i like most is having a bike that handles like my other rivs, but is set up for offroad riding. i'm using 29x2.1 knobbies and having a blast. look at some of my photos, and you'll see that with 29 tires you end up with not too long of a wheelbase--an inch or so of clearance between the seatstay and the tire. if i get into a flow and let off my brakes on descents, i can carve into corners just as easily as with my old karate monkey--but the front end handles more like a road machine which is something i appreciate--feels more responsive if a bit dulled with a slightly longer wheelbase (hope that makes sense). i had to go to knobbies, as big apples slid too much in the loose stuff at speed--i know you like BAs, maybe that'll help you decide. descending straighter lines, well, that's pretty damn magical--the riv stability surprising translates well onto pretty gnarly downhill lines. i'm using light weight components, but nothing crazy (still got steel hbars, for instance). i love my bike, and feel like i'm riding the 29 equivalent of an early mtb. it's a lot of fun. photos:http://www.flickr.com/groups/hunqapillar/(i'm user cosmiccountry) more generally:http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/ erik klunking is dusty in the summer, and muddy
[RBW] Re: Soaked to the bone and happy!
That's the best story ever. Philip On Aug 1, 10:07 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: I now have more impetus for reinstalling my rear fender! Sunday afternoon, I took my son and younger daughter up to ride the Creeper Trail. Alex and I have ridden it several times, usually starting in Damascus, then riding up and back down. However, as this was Abby's first time riding it, I decided to 'treat' her to taking a shuttle up from Damascus to Whitetop. It essentially becomes a 17-mile downhill coast doing it that way. It had been a beautiful weekend thus far, radar was clear, no fronts coming through, so off we went. We arrived in Damascus, and literally caught a shuttle at Blue Blaze a minute before it was going to depart. I had shotgun in the van on the way up; the driver remarked that it was odd to see a 'road bike' on the Creeper (I was on my Ram, my son on his Motobecane CX bike). The driver and I were chatting about trips out west, folks we knew in common, etc. As we were between Konnarock and the turn to Green Cove, he shouted Bear!, as a lanky yearling black bear ran across the road in front of us, crossed the guardrail in a single stride, then disappeared into the rhododendron down below. At Whitetop, we started rolling down the trail at a decent clip, enjoying the scenery. However, the beautiful clear sky started showing signs of afternoon summer 'boil-up' storms. It started sprinkling a bit, just as we reached Green Cove. The rangers there were doing a use-survey, so we stopped for a couple of minutes to chat with them, which allowed it to clear up, too. We then departed there, and continued on. A couple of miles or so out of there, though, it began to rain again, this time in earnest. However, by that point, there was nothing for it, but to press on. At first, it wasn't a bad rain, and the trees along the trail were sheltering us from a lot of it, but we were getting drip-thu's. But it continued to increase in rate. Didn't take long until we were soaked through and through. Then, I heard lighting. Rain, doesn't bother me too bad, just not particularly comfortable perhaps, but, I respect lightning. However, we were still miles away from Taylor's Valley, and there was nothing anywhere between us and it that would be of any use shelter-wise. As much as I hated to, we continued to roll on. Thankfully, the storm wasn't 'on top' of us, we would hear thunder at a distance about every 15 minutes. If it had come up before Green Cove, we'd have stayed put there, but we were half way to Taylors Valley before it came upon us. I was hoping we'd be okay, then take shelter when we got to the cover there. By the time we reached Taylor's Valley, though, the storm was mostly passed, and the rain tailing off. We no longer heard lightning, and it was a gentle sprinkle left. Of course, the trail was soaked now, and the rest of the ride was simply rooster-tailing all over us. As I'd removed my rear fender when we'd been out on the OBX, and hadn't reinstalled it yet, I only had my front fender on. Before yesterday, the times I'd been riding, my saddlebag had caught the brunt of any spray, keeping me clean, so I'd not fretted over it too much at that point. However, seeing the black streak up across my Acorn, on the back of my Brooks, and up my back... my rear fender's going back on this week. Alex and I stripped our shirts off before getting into the truck; I had a jacket in there, wrapped Abby up in it before getting her into the back seat, trying to reduce the amount of cleaning I'd have to do later. This evening, I'll have to strip my bike down and really clean it well, and the kids', too (their bikes! they showered the grit out of their hair as soon as we were home). I wish I'd taken pictures; I'd planned to along the way, but after it started raining as hard as it did, the camera was forgotten, really... On the way home, I was asking them if they enjoyed the trip even though it rained. Alex said he was having a ball the entire time; Abby was a bit more coy, said she had fun until it started raining; later, she amended it, that she had fun even in the rain, but that she stopped when she realized how muddy she was getting. However, after getting out of the shower and into clean clothes, she finally admitted that she was having fun in the mud, too. Aside from my bike, I think I need to get fenders for their bikes, too Good, wet, filthy, fun ride. -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis
That's a beautiful gesture. The first question would be, what size is the frame? You can measure from the center of the crank, up the seat tube to the top. This is usually given in centimeters, so convert if you measure in inches. Pictures would be helpful. If you have a flickr account or Picassa account (in Google), post pictures there and copy a link into a post here. It's easy to start a Picassa account if you don't have one. Pictures will probably answer most of the questions people will have. Take shots of the whole bike from the side, and some closeups of the handlebar setup, wheels, crank, etc. People may also want to know what year the bike was purchased. Best of luck to you, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vcoAJVP_zG0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Ramble
And, Seattle has other cool destinations for some short rambles. You can go to Georgetown, have some lunch, see public art http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/sets/72157627193779891/ Andy (the one who does not ride an Atlantis) On Aug 2, 12:57 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: Nice ride, Rob - I think I saw that same eagle last week! :) That's a great looking Rambouillet! Brian On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings, One of the cool things about living in Seattle (besides the temperature!...pun intended) is the wide variety of scenery. Of course we have the mountains and the water all around but in the city there are also many places to explore. On Sunday I took a pretty typical ride...couple hours, rambling on some local trails, got off track to check out some wetland areas...saw lots of birds (Bald Eagle), hit some nice quiet roads, rode around the city a bit. All within five miles of my home. Here's a few pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157627212285125/ Rob Markwardt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
let's not jump the gun here, folks. maybe someone at this construction company acquired the bike legitimately, doesn't know what it is, assumes that it is vintage, and wants to sell it. non-velo people ask me all the time whether my blériot is a vintage bike. i think that the suggestion to run the serial number is a great one. someone should just asking the seller for the serial number. if they balk at the suggestion, then we should worry. if they provide it freely, perhaps it is ok. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fQz5xbTq1f0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
I Highly Suggest doing some riding in the Lafayette/Moraga Area. You have some trails and big bike lanes everywhere. Lafayette has done a great job marking all of the routes with Mileage markers and directional arrows. Anywhere up in the Castle Rock/Shell ridge area is allot of fun too if you want to do some trails. Beautiful Area Too. If you are ever passing by the Jaguar Dealership in Walnut Creek give me a wave. Dustin Goodwin Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xhrQYrwcLKYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
Here is the Serial Numbershot him an email and he gave it right up... M1061227 he said he also saw a 1-m88. maybe this will help Dustin G Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SGajPcJ0L1cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oddness?
A lot of people own bikes and don't know anything about them. Same thing happens with musical instruments, cameras, etc. Many a fine guitar bargain was found that way. Someone owns an item legitimately (through co-worker, family, etc.) and then goes to unload it and doesn't know what it is. While it looks odd, it isn't necessarily criminal. Thanks, Sean From: EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 11:48:38 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Oddness? Here is the Serial Numbershot him an email and he gave it right up... M1061227 he said he also saw a 1-m88. maybe this will help Dustin G Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SGajPcJ0L1cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] For Sale Atlantis
That's a wonderful gesture -- best of luck. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lee Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:56 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] For Sale Atlantis My daughter's pride and joy. She inherited from her Uncle. She lost a battle with cancer 12/31/2010, and I know little about this bike. I want the money to go to a fellowship established in her honor at Washington State University. Help me sell this for her. Please contact me for information and pictures. Ask me questions and tell me how to find the answers and I'll try. It has been suggested I sell it for $2500. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Rene: FWIW I ride the 150s (making the choice for shorter reach)... I've been super happy with the 150s, and have been comfortable riding long distances on them. In fact I get saddle fatigue before getting hand fatigue... tells me my bars are probably correct for me. Good luck! BB On Aug 1, 4:11 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Geoff! As you can read from my reply to Patrick, I'm going to try the 150 Bullmoose bars but after today's morning commute, I'm thinking that for more active riding, perhaps I'll stick to the 200. The good thing is that whether I keep the downtube shifters or switch to bar thumbies, it'll be so easy to switch them based on the intended purpose of the ride that I may actually keep both. I had seen your photos, great looking bike! Do you like the Imperial saddle a lot? René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
And BTW NICE BUILD!!! BB On Aug 2, 12:30 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Rene: FWIW I ride the 150s (making the choice for shorter reach)... I've been super happy with the 150s, and have been comfortable riding long distances on them. In fact I get saddle fatigue before getting hand fatigue... tells me my bars are probably correct for me. Good luck! BB On Aug 1, 4:11 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Geoff! As you can read from my reply to Patrick, I'm going to try the 150 Bullmoose bars but after today's morning commute, I'm thinking that for more active riding, perhaps I'll stick to the 200. The good thing is that whether I keep the downtube shifters or switch to bar thumbies, it'll be so easy to switch them based on the intended purpose of the ride that I may actually keep both. I had seen your photos, great looking bike! Do you like the Imperial saddle a lot? René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Thank you! I'm waiting for the 150 to come back in stock so for a couple of weeks, I'll be playing around with the 200. It almost feel perfect, but I feel my shoulder wanting to speak up... I'll test the 150 and decide. Glad to know you got them right for you! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
Imagonna start mapping some of my favorite rides/routes around the area, and eventually take some photos along the way too. Besides what Dustin said, there are a good number of classic road routes that loop around here, e.g. 'Three Bears' out beyond Briones and Orinda, 'Carquinez/McEwen' via Martinez, 'Redwood' via Moraga/Canyon/Pinehurst, and 'The Country Clubs' route which traverses several fairways down towards Danville. For dirt and fire trails, you can't beat Shell Ridge open space, and adjacent Diablo Foothills regional and Mt. Diablo s.p.s. Not to be overlooked are all the convenient, off-street connector bike/MUP paths. The Iron Horse, CC and YV canals, and the sleeper Sugarloaf-Shell Ridge trail. There are many nice quiet, older roads that align with the topography (see latest BQ) and secret (i.e. non-auto) connector paths bridging disparate cul-de-sac neighborhoods. For a start, here's the trunk of one of my favorite in town rambles. Begins at the landmark Heather Farms area which is easy to get to via BART/trail, follows the edge of the hills/open space on some of the more interesting streets, and yields plenty of good opportunities for branching back home via dirt or asphalt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/6001114040/sizes/l/ =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 8/2/11, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote: I Highly Suggest doing some riding in the Lafayette/Moraga Area. You have some trails and big bike lanes everywhere. Lafayette has done a great job marking all of the routes with Mileage markers and directional arrows. Anywhere up in the Castle Rock/Shell ridge area is allot of fun too if you want to do some trails. Beautiful Area Too. If you are ever passing by the Jaguar Dealership in Walnut Creek give me a wave. Dustin Goodwin Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xhrQYrwcLKYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis
Hello, Mr. Lee, Interested in learning the bikes dimensions and supporting a great cause at WSU. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soaked to the bone and happy!
Thanks for the ride report, Leslie. It brought back happy memories for me. The Virginia Creeper Trail was a favorite ride for me and my family back six or seven years ago when my daughter was younger and we rode a lot of rail trails together. It rained on us every year the three years we went, so I know exactly what you mean by wet and happy. The 17 mile downhill from Mt Rogers to Damascus is absolute delight. The Appalachian Trail crosses the Creeper there in Damascus, so there is a chance for great hiking too. There was an older gentleman who was known as the Legend of the Creeper Trail who rode the entire distance from Abingdon and back, around 75 miles round trip, practically every single day. His name is Laurence Dye and was in his mid to late seventies then, and rode a silver Litespeed Mountain bike. I met him once as he was finishing his round trip and got some pics made with him. I just googled him, and apparently he's still at it: http://www.vacreepertrail.org/ride-legend It sounds like you enjoyed the ride as much as we did. I would highly recommend it. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
Ediblestarfish wrote: I'm a veritable newbie to this bike riding thing. Taking the road when there's no bike lane feels really unnatural, so I'm kind of hesitant to just pedal out there on some random street. You should consider taking the safety classes offered by the East Bay Bike Coalition: www.ebbc.org/safety Then get a copy of Roads to Ride by Grant Peterson. You'll have to look in used books for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Moscow/Pullman, ID/WA Riv Owners?
on 8/1/11 3:35 PM, c.j.fi...@hotmail.com at c.j.fi...@hotmail.com wrote: I know you're out there! At least two of you. Always either zipping by on your Atlantis or leaving your AHH chained up outside for hours and suddenly...gone. The point: I want me a Riv and would love to talk about and get your take on them before pulling the trigger. While there can be no adequate replacement for in-person meet/greets, I'd encourage you to ask any specific questions here as well. (Or search the archives, where opinions and experience on both those models is documented.) There's also these: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis I think the short answer is that it's very tough to go wrong with either. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
On 8/2/11, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Then get a copy of Roads to Ride by Grant Peterson. You'll have to look in used books for that. By who now? Who is this 'Petersen' [sic] ??? ;-) R2R is a good gazetteer of Contra Costa and Marin country rural roads, which can be stitched together into any number of loops. It doesn't seem like much has changed them in 20 years (except maybe in the farmlands out east of Diablo). Vol. 2 covers the peninsula, I need to get that one someday. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Imagonna start mapping some of my favorite rides/routes around the area, and eventually take some photos along the way too. Besides what Dustin said, there are a good number of classic road routes that loop around here, e.g. 'Three Bears' out beyond Briones and Orinda, 'Carquinez/McEwen' via Martinez, 'Redwood' via Moraga/Canyon/Pinehurst, and 'The Country Clubs' route which traverses several fairways down towards Danville. For dirt and fire trails, you can't beat Shell Ridge open space, and adjacent Diablo Foothills regional and Mt. Diablo s.p.s. Not to be overlooked are all the convenient, off-street connector bike/MUP paths. The Iron Horse, CC and YV canals, and the sleeper Sugarloaf-Shell Ridge trail. These sound great. But I'm guessing that Michael, who thinks that if he's in the hills he needs to drive to more suitable riding areas, is not going to want to ride up the Three Bears or Painhurst, I mean Pinehurst. (Me, I think that if I'm in the hills I've gotten to the suitable riding areas and should ride. But to each his own.) -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] S36O Minnesota to Wisconsin
Spent the weekend riding with a bunch of folks from the Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota) over to Dave's Brewfarm in Wilson, Wisconsin for overnight camping/party. Besides my Sam Hillborne, list member Shaun M. was on his 68cm Atlantis. All in all there were about 20 bikes. Everything from go-fast bikes to Jim Thill's frankentandem to a really fast rider on a Salsa Mukluk(!) Round trip was between 110 and 120 miles. Actual speed was quite modest for some of us. Both to savor the scenery and because it was hot and (extremely) humid both days. Most riders took advantage of friends driving over or the official sag wagon to haul camping gear and extra food. To say we ate like royalty at the destination is an understatement. Oh, and yes, there was quite a bit of excellent beer to be had as well. At least for those of us who do not mind imbibing in that liquid. One of the highlights for myself was sitting around with some other folks and playing music. Didn't bring an instrument along, but one of the other musicians let me use both her guitar and ukulele. We were able to jam on a couple of tunes. Believe me, playing a solo on an unfamiliar tune on a ukulele is not easy. Great fun, though. And she did a nice job of backup on banjo while I flatpicked a couple of tunes that were not familiar to her. Also want to give a public thanks to Grant. In an e-mail exchange a little while ago he recommended the Eureka Spitfire tent. This was my first experience with it and it's a winner. Lots of room to hold me and gear and still room to stretch out or sit up. Easiest clothing change in a tent I've had in ages. And the tent withstood the storm that developed that evening. Again, great tent. Some photos here - http://tinyurl.com/3hjnlzx Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
Agreed. He was originally asking for $2000, which is perhaps a bit high given that you can get a complete bike sans saddle and pedals for $2200 directly from Rivendell.. If it was stolen, you'd think he'd try to get rid of it pretty quickly by selling it for a low price. On Aug 2, 10:57 am, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote: A lot of people own bikes and don't know anything about them. Same thing happens with musical instruments, cameras, etc. Many a fine guitar bargain was found that way. Someone owns an item legitimately (through co-worker, family, etc.) and then goes to unload it and doesn't know what it is. While it looks odd, it isn't necessarily criminal. Thanks, Sean From: EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 11:48:38 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Oddness? Here is the Serial Numbershot him an email and he gave it right up... M1061227 he said he also saw a 1-m88. maybe this will help Dustin G Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SGajPcJ0L1cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Climbing and the consequences
Yesterday I tackled what was for me a challenging route. I've almost made it up to Oak Glen http://www.oakglen.net/ before, but always abandoned within the last four miles. It's an 18 mile climb from my house, with about 4,000 ft of climbing in it. Yesterday I got out a bit late and it was heating up already, but in the end made it to the summithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5991339353/in/photostream! Before that, back about two miles in the town I treated myself to chips salsa, a cervezahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5991890352/in/photostreamand a fantastic taco. Reaching the little Mexican restaurant up there was always something I looked forward to, and finally made it! Total time was five hours, including a relaxed lunch stop. Roadside photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/archives/date-taken/2011/07/30/ Lots of bike photo-opps as I was stopping what seemed like every 10 minutes to rest in the shade! When I got back home I think I was the most tired I've ever been from a ride. I can usually ride 60ish (100K) w/out any problems, but this 37 mile ride kicked my butt. I just dragged all day, arms and legs were totally noodly. Took a late afternoon nap and still went to bed early! Today no aches or stiffness which is great! Might get out for a little ride this morning if I play my cards right. FWIW it's actually drizzling this morning. Weird summer, but I love it! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on RAGBRAI
I ended up not being able to go this year (would have ridden my LongLow), but my friends who did go told me of their close encounter with an orange Hillborne, which they were very taken by . . . -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cy8CAB_kY_wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Boston Harbor ride report (4th attempt)
Oh how I miss Boston... thx, Patrick. BB On Jul 29, 12:08 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks; interesting to see that one can find good, and pleasant, riding even in the midst of a very urban setting. Rick Riesemberg of Bicycle Fixations posts photos of urban LA rides. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Lisa ukulele.l...@mac.com wrote: Hi -- I haven't started a thread here before, but I thought people might be interested in a different kind of ride report -- an urban ride rather than a rural one. Last Sunday, I took my Atlantis on a tour of parks, greenways, and urban wilds on north side of Boston Harbor. The ride leader is a longtime local parks and greenways activist who was instrumental in getting some of the bikeways built. Although I've lived in Boston for years, I had never seen most of these places. My photos are mostly of parks and water views, but we also passed through local town centers and heavy-duty warehouse zones, including one stretch of the roughest road I've ever ridden that was nominally paved. Fortunately, on a Sunday, there was no traffic on the roughest bits, so we were free to pick our way around the patches and potholes. The ride was billed as 30 miles, but we did some meandering and I rode to and from the start point, so my total for the day was 51 miles. My photos: http://tinyurl.com/3qhencq Web site about this ride: http://www.masspaths.org/rides/DeerIsland2010.html (Note: this is an annual ride. The web site is current for the 2011 ride, even though it still says 2010.) Cheers, Lisa (my apologies if anyone sees multiples of this posting) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eAthXA-Hr2oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Very cool, Amit! I tried something similar with my dad but his arthritic knees made cycling painful for him. At least we can still drink beers and shoot skeet together...B-) Steve, semi-reformed hillbilly, son of an un-reformed one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rNnmgVJZENkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] ebay Rodeo
This is absolutely beautiful--dang, my size too. http://tinyurl.com/3tlxo7h Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
Also, the Krebs cycle maps available in local bike shops are a good resource. On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/2/11, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Then get a copy of Roads to Ride by Grant Peterson. You'll have to look in used books for that. By who now? Who is this 'Petersen' [sic] ??? ;-) R2R is a good gazetteer of Contra Costa and Marin country rural roads, which can be stitched together into any number of loops. It doesn't seem like much has changed them in 20 years (except maybe in the farmlands out east of Diablo). Vol. 2 covers the peninsula, I need to get that one someday. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
;-) I am confident Michael can do it. It's just up to him to decide what *it* is! Just figured many folks were interested/intrigued by the riding out here in Rivendell Country! fwiw, here is the rwg account where I'll be adding my maps- 'WC loop' is a good quick 'un with a little of everything: http://ridewithgps.com/users/49278 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
Interesting question. I'm also curious how much frame size has to do with DT shifter preferences. I ride a ~67 cm frame and the reach to DT shifters is insane, making me uncomfortable using them. For this reason I have a strong preference for barend shifters. I'm curious if this is true for other tall riders. -Rex On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I noticed this about large frames too. I ride a 59cm with the bars a couple inches below saddle height; the reach to DT shifters is about the same as it is for bar ends. So I prefer them on the downtube (7-speed friction and 9-speed indexed). Horace. On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting question. I'm also curious how much frame size has to do with DT shifter preferences. I ride a ~67 cm frame and the reach to DT shifters is insane, making me uncomfortable using them. For this reason I have a strong preference for barend shifters. I'm curious if this is true for other tall riders. -Rex On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I like indexed DT 8 speed shifting on my commuter and my long distance bike. I guess I actually love it. I'm generally moving towards indexing on most of my bikes: -- trails bike (Rawland dSogn) has 8 speed brifters -- which I love for technical climbing. -- CX (RB-T) bike has single 8 speed brifter -- mountain bike is indexed. Until now, I didn't realize that I'd made such a transformation. I must say though, that I do miss the feel of Suntour barcons, which I used to run nearly exclusively on all drop-bar bikes. My move to the dark side of indexing stated with the DT shifters though, which index beautifully since there's only one loop in the housing. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis
Michael, Not sure where you are located, but if you share your location, someone on the list may be able to meet you and help you with the intricacies of sizing the bike and taking some pictures. The folks here are more interested about bikes selling at a fair price then in absolute bargains. And for a good cause i'm sure someone would be willing to help. On Aug 1, 6:56 pm, Michael Lee twobirdsg...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter's pride and joy. She inherited from her Uncle. She lost a battle with cancer 12/31/2010, and I know little about this bike. I want the money to go to a fellowship established in her honor at Washington State University. Help me sell this for her. Please contact me for information and pictures. Ask me questions and tell me how to find the answers and I'll try. It has been suggested I sell it for $2500. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I just put the DuraAce 9 speed downtube shifters on my 58 Hunqa. I run the rear one on indexed mode and I actually like them a lot. Reach is not too bad although I usually find myself coasting while I shift since I have to remove one hand from the handlebar. At this time, I'd be hard pressed to say if I prefer them on the downtube or on the stem quill as I have them on the Atlantis right now: *http://tinyurl.com/3l9oxn5* I don't think that if I was running Noodles or equivalent I'd put them on the downtube but now the Homer is my only remaining bike with that setup and I haven't ridden it in a while. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I ride a 65cm, and the downtube shifters are right in the arcswing of my arm if I bend my other elbow just a bit to lower myself. If one's arm doesn't swing to the dt shifters, I wouldn't recommend using them no matter what height they are. It may have to do with leg/torso/arm proportions, but I don't think it's intrinsic to being tall. I think it's a losing battle to ever encourage someone to switch to dt's. Probably most new users in this era will be self-motivators who will try it on their own, and some will stick with it. I like it really well, but no one was gonna tell me to use such an elegantly simple way to shift. The only time that dt's make one's life demonstrably better is while experimenting with stems and bars. On Aug 2, 11:02 am, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting question. I'm also curious how much frame size has to do with DT shifter preferences. I ride a ~67 cm frame and the reach to DT shifters is insane, making me uncomfortable using them. For this reason I have a strong preference for barend shifters. I'm curious if this is true for other tall riders. -Rex On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
Here are some links that may be helpful. http://www.ebbc2.ebbc.org/maps.html http://511contracosta.org/bike/ -- sacyclepath -- *** S.Ardrey ** --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:51 AM ;-) I am confident Michael can do it. It's just up to him to decide what *it* is! Just figured many folks were interested/intrigued by the riding out here in Rivendell Country! fwiw, here is the rwg account where I'll be adding my maps- 'WC loop' is a good quick 'un with a little of everything: http://ridewithgps.com/users/49278 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ebay Rodeo
That's a fine looking bike, with all the right stuff in the right places! Shipping is pricey though. On Jul 29, 9:34 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: This is absolutely beautiful--dang, my size too. http://tinyurl.com/3tlxo7h Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ebay Rodeo
An Atlantis-colored Roadeo! Nicely done... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yAkZzVSmVqwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
let's say the last weekend in september then--i'm on tour for all of august, so I can't do any of the planning. Hopefully someone else will step up to the plate in this regard, or else (see below) Otherwise, can agree that we should *meet at 3pm on September 24th at Walnut Creek BART and head up the hill from there to Juniper Camp? *get there later or earlier, but we'll see you at juniper on way or the other. There it is, *the unofficial rbwlist s24o: fall 2011.* (I'm a serious planner) ~erik On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Sept 24-25 (or 17-18) looks good from here. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 8/1/11, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to join the group in September for a guided S240 so I can learn from the experts! Unfortunately, with my travel schedule, I'm only available on the weekends of September 3-4 and most likely, 24-25. If I'm lucky one of those weekends will be chosen for the ride! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
Awesome planning! I'm in barring catastrophic events like unexpected business trips... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
What's odd is that he describes it as his bike, yet offers a description that includes irrelevant things like overall length.. describes the tires by the rim manufacturer, etc. You need to know more than that about bikes just to ORDER a Betty! He may have acquired it second hand, but as others have noted, he would have to have acquired it within weeks of the original owner taking delivery to have had it a couple of years. Benefit of the doubt, of course, but veddy, veddy fishy, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZEkxZtbZA7wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
Could be he acquired the bike in a swap. Or maybe leftover from a breakup? He's also probably not trying to over inform the buyer. Fishy, somewhat. But I'd give him the benefit of the doubt unless there is a definite idea it's been stolen. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qUDyrM3NH-MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Climbing and the consequences
Awesome! Congratulations! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
Downtube friction. I guess I am a diehard, I used Shimano STI first and then Campy Ergo during the decade I raced, but after I stopped in 2000 I went back to downtube friction shifting. It's just what I prefer, I suppose because that's what I grew up with. I don't like all those cables going to the handlebars. I have STI on our tandem, downtubers would be difficult as the braze-ons would have to be brazed on and I don't feel like ruining the paint. Besides, it's not like I am out there saying jeez, I HATE STI, why aren't their downtube shifters on this bike?!? STI doesn't ruin the ride for me. It's a bike, not a fetish. Or at least it ought to be. On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Forrest wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
The first real road bike I owned (Bianchi Limited, 1986-ish) had downtube shifters and I've always had at least one bike so equipped since then. In my long range plans for a custom rando bike, it will have downtube shifters. My daily commuter has friction DT shifters, as does my Trek 560. I also have bikes with thumb shifters, a Bontrager mtb with grip-shifts (hate those but haven't taken the time to convert yet), and a cross bike with brifters - whose only advantage I can see is when I race I really can shift quicker. But those buggers are sure expensive to replace and I hate components I can't service myself. Strangely, the only thing I don't currently have running is bar-ends, but that's going to change when I get the dirt-drops on the 91 MB 2 ;-) As others have said - though maybe not here, one advantage to DT shifters (besides simplicity) is that on longer rides you regularly take you hands (or one hand at least) off the bars. This helps relieve pressure and fatigue, I think. And maybe it's how I was programed when I formed my love for the bicycle, but I prefer the look of a steel road bike w/DT shifters to the look of any other bike. Mike On Aug 2, 11:12 am, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.com wrote: I like indexed DT 8 speed shifting on my commuter and my long distance bike. I guess I actually love it. I'm generally moving towards indexing on most of my bikes: -- trails bike (Rawland dSogn) has 8 speed brifters -- which I love for technical climbing. -- CX (RB-T) bike has single 8 speed brifter -- mountain bike is indexed. Until now, I didn't realize that I'd made such a transformation. I must say though, that I do miss the feel of Suntour barcons, which I used to run nearly exclusively on all drop-bar bikes. My move to the dark side of indexing stated with the DT shifters though, which index beautifully since there's only one loop in the housing. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
Dowtubers are great for double shifts,too, wherein you want to get a rear upshift with a front downshift at the same time so the cadence change isn't so drastic. Get ahold of both shifters with one hand and push forward. Sweet. Joe push push Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xEV7rvMH4OYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
What are the chances that a Betty was stolen, and we don't know about it? I'm going with small. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/coVpylDeaMkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oddness?
Not quite sure about that; it's not like every single RBW-bike rider is a member here; or if even half are. (A quarter? At best?) I'll wholly agree: it's quite possible it's legit (and I hope it is); but, you would think someone who would spend that kind of money on a bike would know enough about it to know if it's an antique or not. Could be, the seller told the current owner was told it was an antique, and that it was worth that much, and went with it There aren't a large number of Riv dealers, other than RBW directly. Harris in Boston, Country Bike in Ohio, Hiawatha in Minneapolis, And MSL in Bristol, are the only ones on this side of the Mississippi, and I've not seen any Betty's come through MSL (doesn't mean that they haven't had one come through, I'm not there *that* often, but to date, I've seen Atlantis, Rambouillet, Hilsen, and Hillborne frames there). Maybe, if someone at one of those shops has a record of who bought that frame (if it wasn't from Riv directly), could call the original buyer, just to see if they did let it go, as a courtesy call maybe? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4TKFFgPHUzYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oddness?
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: What are the chances that a Betty was stolen, and we don't know about it? I'm going with small. But we don't know anything about this Betty. That is, no one has come forward and said That's my bike, I sold it to X, who gave it to Y. Given that we know nothing, it's perfectly plausible that it's stolen. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Strange Weather
I live in the Chicago metro area, but I like to listen to KCSM via streaming audio. Recently the program hosts have been making a lot of unusual remarks about the weather out there, like, I'm glad Summer is finally here. ?? What's up with that? It's the first of August! Has it been an unusually cool, wet season thus far in the Bay Area? Just curious -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I enjoy down tube levers also and grew up riding themnot quite as convenient but having to stretch down slightly keeps me from obsessively shifting. Since I built my first single (actually two) speed, I've gone from a 8 to a 7 speed drive train on my derailleur bicycle and will probably remove my triple crank and go with a 46x30 double. I'm just finding I don't need so many gear ratios which makes me wonder about my first old ten speed. I think those early derailleur bicycles with 4 and 5 rear cogs were pretty cool too. On Aug 2, 3:57 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Downtube friction. I guess I am a diehard, I used Shimano STI first and then Campy Ergo during the decade I raced, but after I stopped in 2000 I went back to downtube friction shifting. It's just what I prefer, I suppose because that's what I grew up with. I don't like all those cables going to the handlebars. I have STI on our tandem, downtubers would be difficult as the braze-ons would have to be brazed on and I don't feel like ruining the paint. Besides, it's not like I am out there saying jeez, I HATE STI, why aren't their downtube shifters on this bike?!? STI doesn't ruin the ride for me. It's a bike, not a fetish. Or at least it ought to be. On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Forrest wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I have the gamut of shfters, as well. On my commute-rigged Bleriot, I use an old pair of SunTour stem shifters in friction. Like Rene, it's a convenient place to locate them for upright riding. Also, as someone else mentioned, I can shift both at once with one hand, although I don't do that very often. He is a pict of the shifters set up on the Bleriot when I had Alba bars. I now have Jitensha flat bars on it, but still use the stem shifters. By the way, stem and dt shifters sure make switching out h'bars a lot easier. http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/4549201864/in/set-72157623799483763/ From: Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 4:08:06 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters Dowtubers are great for double shifts,too, wherein you want to get a rear upshift with a front downshift at the same time so the cadence change isn't so drastic. Get ahold of both shifters with one hand and push forward. Sweet. Joe push push Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xEV7rvMH4OYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
I have 9 speed indexed Dura Ace downtube shifters on my AHH. I like them a lot. I had silver shifters on there before but I prefer the indexed Dura Ace. My AHH is a 55cm. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Hi René, Thanks! To answer your question, the Brooks Imperial is actually my very first Brooks saddle. Before test riding bikes at Riv HQ, I also took my wife's Betty Foy around the block a few times to get a feel for her Brooks womens B17. I know the saddle dimensions are a bit different than the mens B17, but at least riding on it gave me some idea as to how the saddle might give and feel to my sit bones after its break-in period. I liked what I felt, both on her womens B17, as well as on the mens B17s on the Riv demo bikes. On my first couple of rides on the Hunq, the saddle did feel a bit hard but not objectionably so. I rubbed one coat of Proofide on it after the second ride. I'm happy to report that after about the sixth ride or so, the saddle began to give and I'm now feeling pretty comfortable. I'm confident that after a few more rides, this saddle is going to be wonderful. I can't really say whether the slot is doing the trick in keeping pressure off my perineum, or if it's more a function of the Brooks saddle design and shape. All I know is that I'm not feeling the familiar numbing in the crotch area...so I'm very pleased. =) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j6BjYdxIZ_EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Strange Weather
Well, here in the SF peninsula we had a very long and unusual rainy season and aside from a week in July when it got quite warm (4th of July weekend) it's been very cool and nice. 60 degrees in the morning when I commute to work at 7:00 AM and then low 70s when I commute back home at around 6:00 PM. Climbs to about upper 70s - mid 80s in the middle of the day. It's very nice. René On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:22 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I live in the Chicago metro area, but I like to listen to KCSM via streaming audio. Recently the program hosts have been making a lot of unusual remarks about the weather out there, like, I'm glad Summer is finally here. ?? What's up with that? It's the first of August! Has it been an unusually cool, wet season thus far in the Bay Area? Just curious -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
That is always important!!! On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Geoff mocha...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi René, Thanks! To answer your question, the Brooks Imperial is actually my very first Brooks saddle. Before test riding bikes at Riv HQ, I also took my wife's Betty Foy around the block a few times to get a feel for her Brooks womens B17. I know the saddle dimensions are a bit different than the mens B17, but at least riding on it gave me some idea as to how the saddle might give and feel to my sit bones after its break-in period. I liked what I felt, both on her womens B17, as well as on the mens B17s on the Riv demo bikes. On my first couple of rides on the Hunq, the saddle did feel a bit hard but not objectionably so. I rubbed one coat of Proofide on it after the second ride. I'm happy to report that after about the sixth ride or so, the saddle began to give and I'm now feeling pretty comfortable. I'm confident that after a few more rides, this saddle is going to be wonderful. I can't really say whether the slot is doing the trick in keeping pressure off my perineum, or if it's more a function of the Brooks saddle design and shape. All I know is that I'm not feeling the familiar numbing in the crotch area...so I'm very pleased. =) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j6BjYdxIZ_EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
This is all sounding pretty shifty to me.. On Aug 2, 5:51 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have the gamut of shfters, as well. On my commute-rigged Bleriot, I use an old pair of SunTour stem shifters in friction. Like Rene, it's a convenient place to locate them for upright riding. Also, as someone else mentioned, I can shift both at once with one hand, although I don't do that very often. He is a pict of the shifters set up on the Bleriot when I had Alba bars. I now have Jitensha flat bars on it, but still use the stem shifters. By the way, stem and dt shifters sure make switching out h'bars a lot easier. http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/4549201864/in/set-7215762379... From: Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 4:08:06 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters Dowtubers are great for double shifts,too, wherein you want to get a rear upshift with a front downshift at the same time so the cadence change isn't so drastic. Get ahold of both shifters with one hand and push forward. Sweet. Joe push push Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xEV7rvMH4OYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] early Marin County biking
Marin County. Repack Race. Charlie Kelly. Gary Fisher. Klunking. Joe Breeze's Breezer bikes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVWP6VaLtvwfeature=player_embedded When I watch this, I have to wonder if Grant Petersen is somewhere there in the background. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0QdQWn3qHu0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Climbing and the consequences
You the man David!... quite a climb in this heat. and you downed a Negro Modelo on the way up too. Bet that downhill was fast and fun. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HAIT0gYHRY0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Climbing and the consequences
I had to do something to beat the heat!!! I think the heat make it extra hard, but mentally it is a challenge as well. There's a couple mile straightaway that just goes on, and on, and on... And yeah, the return trip was a BLAST! Three hours up (one hour kicking back), a half hour to get home! Map's on Bikely, although Bikely.com is not loading for me for some reason... http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Oak-Glen-from-Redlands Might have to start using mapmyride although I don't like their site as much... On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: You the man David!... quite a climb in this heat. and you downed a Negro Modelo on the way up too. Bet that downhill was fast and fun. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HAIT0gYHRY0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
I'd like to join y'all if I can make it- I'm picking up my Sam this Sat! ts berkeley On Aug 2, 12:16 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome planning! I'm in barring catastrophic events like unexpected business trips... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] re: 2 top tubes - Y2TT plus (at the end of it) divisive cultural reference
If you are tired of people pushing you around, putting you down, belittling you because you HEART the 2TT, do not fear. You can now join your well-triangulated and appointed brethren and sistren in shouting your love for the 2TT from the mountaintops (or your cute boy shorts). I hope you guys get as much of a kick out of this as I did making it! http://www.cafepress.com/DoubleTopTubesRule (this is what happens while I am waiting for my Sam to get delivered lol) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j8d4-oCLzBQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
This will probably get me a lot of flack but please keep in mind that one of my non-RBW bike is a Claud Butler, so I'm no enemy of tradition. Having said that, I believe that each generation of shifters has represented evolution and that the state of the art has improved. My Butler originally had Campy downtube shifters and, aside from the question of reach, they were extremely vague and had a mind of their own about shifting. Before you get on me about adjustments, please know that in addition to my own efforts these were adjusted by very experienced mechanics including those at my LBS, Harris Cyclery. I then went to Campy bar ends and found the position much better but the shifting equally vague. From there to Sun Tour bar ends and a whole new world! Using them in friction mode (I've never tried them in indexed mode), these are still my favorites. For a couple of years, I had a Cannondale touring bike with Shimano STI brifters and I have to say they were a pleasure. I spend most of my time on the tops and on the hoods and the STI's were convenient, effective and very reliable. While the STI indexing worked flawlessly, I still prefer friction and have thus resorted to bar ends on both the Butler (Sun Tour) and my Bleriot (Shimano). I've heard the arguments that if you're in Katmandu and your STI's break down, who's going to fix them. Since the next time I'm in Katmandu will be the first time, that's a bridge I'm willing to cross later! In the interest of full disclosure, I also have a Cervelo Soloist with Dure Ace STI shifters but that's a completely different story! On Aug 2, 2:31 pm, Roger rogerdhod...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a 65cm, and the downtube shifters are right in the arcswing of my arm if I bend my other elbow just a bit to lower myself. If one's arm doesn't swing to the dt shifters, I wouldn't recommend using them no matter what height they are. It may have to do with leg/torso/arm proportions, but I don't think it's intrinsic to being tall. I think it's a losing battle to ever encourage someone to switch to dt's. Probably most new users in this era will be self-motivators who will try it on their own, and some will stick with it. I like it really well, but no one was gonna tell me to use such an elegantly simple way to shift. The only time that dt's make one's life demonstrably better is while experimenting with stems and bars. On Aug 2, 11:02 am, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting question. I'm also curious how much frame size has to do with DT shifter preferences. I ride a ~67 cm frame and the reach to DT shifters is insane, making me uncomfortable using them. For this reason I have a strong preference for barend shifters. I'm curious if this is true for other tall riders. -Rex On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB Wanted to Buy: Rivendell Nitto Mark's Rack / M-18 front rack
Small update: I had the model number wrong on those shifters I listed as a possible partial trade for a Mark's rack. They are the Shimano SL-BS77 bar end shifters, without the bar end pods as stated above. So they are usable as DT shifters, but the levers are not the same shape as the 7700s. I also found some other shifters in the parts drawer: - a pair of scratched but functional Shimano bar end shifters / barcons labeled SL-BS50. I think these are technically 7 speed shifters, though the rear appears to have an 8th click (and/or it can be set to friction.) - some lovely Shimano SL-M700 (Deerhead group I believe) ratcheting friction thumb shifters. And, as long as I'm updating, I might as well mention an even longer-shot request than the Nitto front rack: I'm also looking for a medium olive Sackville Shopsack. RBW is out of stock. Thanks again, Nate -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_Nu4cXDIAgkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale Atlantis
I don't mind sharing all I can. This forum was suggested to me by Mr. John Bennett from Rivendell Bicycle Works but I was a little shy and unsure with my first post. I am located 100 miles from a tree on the plains of eastern New Mexico. The only good thing about our location is if your dog runs away, you can watch it for a week. Clovis, New Mexico, not exactly the biking hub of the planet. I could have the bike packed semi-professionally packed or as I told one member, my wife and I wouldn't mind visiting Pullman, Wa again and delivering it to that area. We are also close to Santa Fe, Albuquerque, Taos, Lubbock, Amarillo and of course Roswell. Here is a newspaper link that tells some of story. http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/33569 As I said originally my only goal is for my daughter to continue to touch other lives and further her desire to help others. Grants from her fellowship will help fund Doctoral graduate students who share her goals of sustainable agriculture and improving world wide food security. First and foremost she was our daughter; she knitted, sewed and quilted with her mother, made me cookies, cobbler and called for automobile advice. In her spare time she was a scientist bent on changing the world. Washington State University gave a 24 year old's life a purpose. My purpose is to further her goals. This is not about money for me. I realize you only asked for me to share my location and hope I didn't share too much, but it was therapeutic. Michael Lee On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Michael, Not sure where you are located, but if you share your location, someone on the list may be able to meet you and help you with the intricacies of sizing the bike and taking some pictures. The folks here are more interested about bikes selling at a fair price then in absolute bargains. And for a good cause i'm sure someone would be willing to help. On Aug 1, 6:56 pm, Michael Lee twobirdsg...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter's pride and joy. She inherited from her Uncle. She lost a battle with cancer 12/31/2010, and I know little about this bike. I want the money to go to a fellowship established in her honor at Washington State University. Help me sell this for her. Please contact me for information and pictures. Ask me questions and tell me how to find the answers and I'll try. It has been suggested I sell it for $2500. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
Well, I ride a 54, so I'm def. on the small side. I've been using bar end shifters but am looking to switch to DT's. Travel break down, shorter cables, less cable housing, etc. are the motivation for me. Anyone looking to move a pair of Dura Ace SL7700's (the straight lever DT specific 9 speed type) please let me know and I'll snatch 'em up asap! jsk On Aug 2, 2:02 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting question. I'm also curious how much frame size has to do with DT shifter preferences. I ride a ~67 cm frame and the reach to DT shifters is insane, making me uncomfortable using them. For this reason I have a strong preference for barend shifters. I'm curious if this is true for other tall riders. -Rex On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. Thanks, -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ewWKs5Wvv_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Recomended paths to ride around RBWHQ and surrounding areas?
Thanks for all the tips, I'll take some time out and try something new this weekend. :) - Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ss5L5m9hZVwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Downtube shifter diehards vs. downtube shifter experimenters
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Forrest ftm...@me.com wrote: Among those of you who now use downtube shifters (or have in the past), how many of you are confirmed fans of downtube shifting, and how many of you tried it as an experiment but then switched to a different shifting system that you felt was better? Oh, and any thoughts re downtube indexed vs. downtube friction would be welcome. I went the opposite way. I used dt friction shifters for over 15 years. Used mostly Campy dt shifters - record, c-record and mavic retrofriction shifters shifting 7 and 9 speeds. Never had any problems. Then I tried Campy ergo shifters and became a convert!! Love the shifters and now have it on my two road bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/If_jpekRcdoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Climbing and the consequences
Nice work. I'd like to do it. On Aug 2, 9:25 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I had to do something to beat the heat!!! I think the heat make it extra hard, but mentally it is a challenge as well. There's a couple mile straightaway that just goes on, and on, and on... And yeah, the return trip was a BLAST! Three hours up (one hour kicking back), a half hour to get home! Map's on Bikely, although Bikely.com is not loading for me for some reason... http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Oak-Glen-from-Redlands Might have to start using mapmyride although I don't like their site as much... On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: You the man David!... quite a climb in this heat. and you downed a Negro Modelo on the way up too. Bet that downhill was fast and fun. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HAIT0gYHRY0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
