RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I have one of the so-called Mystery Bikes, and I believe it's the same as the 
Appaloosa (a genius name, in my opinion).  And as to whether they're coming 
out, GP told me this fall that he wants to bring it out as a production bike, 
but is assessing demand.

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What kinda field is that horse rampant on?
But all kidding aside:
I see peeps referring to a Bosco Bike, a Mystery Bike, and this Apaloosa 
bike.
1. Are they the same thing, just different names because no official one came 
out yet? They all have tentacular stays?
In that case, they could call it the Nemo, or something.
2. Are these protos of some new bike soon to come? Or are they production now, 
and being shipped, but no public announcement yet?

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle breathes ... sort of.

2012-12-31 Thread Garth

That's okay Ron ...lol I AM not a logical person !Imagination 
begets logic ... as there is no logic without imagining something as 
logical ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just riding in cold weather; also Silk Dikie, fin, and cold weather riding garb: how much is just right?, and Post Ride Drinks.

2012-12-31 Thread Garth


On Sunday, December 30, 2012 4:57:25 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2012-12-30 at 13:39 -0800, Garth wrote: 


Well Steve  I am someone who doesn't wear such clothing that is 
restrictive in any way :-)I see all sorts of people wearing all sorts 
of clothing and they're enjoying themselves.  As children  did we 
concern ourselves ever about what we wearing outside or in ?   We grow into 
these perspectives where we buy into needing or wanting this or that for 
infinite reasons  but at the heart of it all is the feeling of 
satisfaction .. release and relief .  It's never about the stuff  
it's forever about the *feeling of being* and the stuff is like props and 
we the actors of very own play ... called my life  :) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just riding in cold weather; also Silk Dikie, fin, and cold weather riding garb: how much is just right?, and Post Ride Drinks.

2012-12-31 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 05:27 -0800, Garth wrote:
 
 Well Steve  I am someone who doesn't wear such clothing that is
 restrictive in any way :-)

And I spent five years riding to work every day wearing sports jackets,
blazers and suits.  When I changed jobs and moved to a new location, the
feeble braking of the DL-1 and the steep hill with a traffic light at an
intersection with one of the busiest streets in downtown Washington DC
necessitated a change of bikes; and although the clothing I wore at work
hadn't changed, the new bike and its different riding position meant I
could no longer wear work clothes while riding, so I switched to
carrying work clothes in panniers.  

I'd been a recreational rider for many years by then, and had a large
supply of used cycling clothing, mostly worn out and not quite fit for
long weekend duty.  So I wore that, adding Army surplus: sweaters, wool
field trousers and work gloves for the cold weather.

 I see all sorts of people wearing all sorts of clothing and they're
 enjoying themselves.  

I don't go swimming much, but every time I have done I've always seen
people wearing bathing suits, not jeans and t shirts.  

Similarly, although you don't need a baseball glove when you're playing
stick ball, you definitely do need one when you switch to hardball.  You
pretty much need a baseball cap, too, otherwise you can't see anything
when you're looking into the sun.

So, is that stuff clothing or is it specialized sporting equipment?

 As children  did we concern ourselves ever about what we wearing
 outside or in ?

Yes, of course.  Perhaps your parents did not dress you in a winter coat
that was so heavy and stiff it left you with your arms sticking out
straight to the sides like a gingerbread man, unable to bend down, to
move your arms or do much other than stand around posing.

When I was a kid, it was common for parents to send their children out
to play with last year's outgrown shoes as their play shoes.  Ever try
to play baseball in a pair of leather soled dress shoes?  It was
absolutely fabulous when I got a pair of high top sneakers!


We grow into these perspectives where we buy into needing or
 wanting this or that for infinite reasons  but at the heart of it
 all is the feeling of satisfaction .. release and relief .  It's
 never about the stuff  it's forever about the feeling of being
 and the stuff is like props and we the actors of very own play ...
 called my life  :) 
 

I'm not talking about play acting and props.  I'm talking about
function.  I've tried to ride a century wearing soft soled sneakers, Y
fronts and cut off denim jeans made into shorts.  My mind still has the
scars, and every time I hear Johnny Cash singing Ring of Fire I think
of that abortive attempt.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Colin Bortner
I don't know if the thinking at Rivendell has changed, but Grant's
original vision for this storied frame was free of a front derailer:

[It's] basically a flat-to-rolling land bike that, by virtue of its
superlong top tube (62.5cm on this 54.3cm frame), locks you into a
sweeepyback bar. That doesn’t rule out touring or dirt riding, but
those aren’t the point, and to drive home the actual point, it has one
water bottle, and no way to mount a front derailer.

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13522805152/odd-new-bike-and-misc-stuffs

I generally vote on the side of weird, so I think its wonderful, but
maybe Riv believes it's too weird, or maybe their inner pendulum has
swung back from specialized to versatile.

However it comes out, I hope they sell thousands of them!

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA
benzouy...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe Grant has lost it and designed this bike for the SRAM XX1! Carbon
 everything, baby! :)

 http://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/family/xx1



 On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:34:31 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 This bike has very long chainstays, a very long headtube, and is not
 intended to be run with a front derailer. It's much more cruiser than
 anything else in Riv's line.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo CA.

 On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:52:40 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 Haha, I am all for new bikes, especially ones that can be set up with IGH
 hubs. I do love a secret as well and so far I believe there has only been
 one mystery bike owner to come forward and it had more the touches of a
 custom, with the scarab headbadge and all. I would love to get a test ride
 on one of those, oh and a credit card with no limit also!
 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Dave dfa...@charter.net wrote:

 Before you get all conspiracy theorist about this, the finished one I
 saw was one of the original batch that went to the early adopters.  This
 green one may be part of that, as well.  Besides, if it's a new bike that's
 taking off due to popularity, let's be happy about that!  Grant never did
 formally (or at least publicly) settle on a name for it, so, no, you didn't
 miss a thing.  Transparency was never part of the bargain, though!



 On 12/29/2012 9:11 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

 Now I am curious, how many of these things are there if they are getting
 shipped out to customers? Did I miss a Blug or email about them picking a
 name and head badge or are we in the realm of not so secret secrets?

 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dave dfa...@charter.net wrote:

 I saw an Appaloosa at RBW before it was shipped (not the one in this
 pic).  One of the prettiest bikes I've ever seen.  No front derailer,
 either.  Having ridden the Bosco/proto/whatever, and knowing the it became
 the Appaloosa, I'd buy one instead of a custom.  It was THAT fun!  You can
 strap accessories to anything with enough ingenuity; it's the feel that
 matters, so far as I'm concerned.  I hope it sticks in the lineup, unlike
 the other great bikes like the Simple One.




 On 12/29/2012 8:48 PM, dougP wrote:

 What - no racks, no bags, no baskets?  Not even a pump or bottle cage?
 And it's already got grips  bar tape!  Nice looking ride; maybe built 
 for a
 customer?  Those head badges are quite nicely detailed.

 dougP

 On Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:12:27 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 Dropped by RBW today for a few things, including a leftover RONA
 t-shirt (that's Retrogrouches of North America). Snapped a pic of the new
 protovelo with an Appaloosa headbadge that I hadn't seen before:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8322596189/in/set-72157632374797893/

 Also included a shot of the new Yves Gomez headbadge because it's so
 cool.

 jim m
 wc ca


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[RBW] Re: Riding in Marin

2012-12-31 Thread Christian
Speaking of biking and camping and Steep Ravine: check this photo 
out: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/7707743088/in/set-72157630891654458. 
 I took it last summer.  

The tent sites there are some of the most spectacular I've ever camped in. 
 And getting a reservation in July was easy.  The cabins were all full but 
only two the sites had occupants.

Happy New Year! 

Christian 

On Monday, December 31, 2012 12:29:57 AM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:

 I love Steep Ravine.  Now keep it quiet!  The tent sites are kinda 
 secret...  The primitive cabins are a hot commodity. 

 On Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:17:16 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:

 I'm a second generation California creampuff,  proud to be so. :)

 40 degrees  humid is more uncomfortable than 20 degrees  dry.  Mark 
 Twain famously said that one of the most miserable winters he faced was a 
 summer in San Francisco.  It's not an afterthought that Rivendell treats 
 the frames with Boeshield.  

 dougP

 On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:59:52 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
 Cyclery wrote:

 David G said that thing about the creampuffs, not me! 

 I actually have been having trouble coming to terms with the damp cold 
 while locals buzz past in shorts. 



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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried adding a larger sprocket to a 7-speed cassette?

2012-12-31 Thread Tom Harrop
Yep, for some people it's definitely necessary to optimize gearing.

What model Raleigh is it? My commuter is a '74 Nottingham Raleigh, but it's 
a lead-pipe Grand Prix

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[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

2012-12-31 Thread Tom Harrop
I agree, buy the tool! I will be if I ever have to do it again, thanks to 
the snapped bolt.

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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Manuel Acosta
Proposed route for tomorrows ride. Nice hard climb on dirt. Route open 
to suggestions  I really want to ride up to Green Ranch to check it out but 
have no idea how to get there. 
http://goo.gl/maps/Nxvam

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just riding in cold weather; also Silk Dikie, fin, and cold weather riding garb: how much is just right?, and Post Ride Drinks.

2012-12-31 Thread justinaugust
I woe jeans swimming most of my childhood. Jean shorts at least!

There's a marked difference between the swim suit you probably wear and the one 
Michael Phelps wears, including the hat, goggles, hairless body, etc. to lump 
things into two categories is silly and reductive. There's a gradient of 
clothes, gear, cycles, destinations/purpose of ride, etc. Hopefully you fit all 
of them together into a combination that works for you. These combinations 
obviously change when one or more aspects change and you can go from a morning 
commuter on a drop bar bike who changes in the office bathroom to a late night 
bar hopper in casual clothes heading to the bar. Maybe the same person who outs 
on their spandex on the weekend rides their Raleigh 3 speed in a suit and tie 
come Monday. Seasons and weather are just another part of the equation to 
consider. Getting into the weeds of classification is divisive and fairly 
pointless. 


-J, in PHL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Brewster Fong


On Monday, December 31, 2012 6:04:42 AM UTC-8, Colin B. wrote:

 I don't know if the thinking at Rivendell has changed, but Grant's 
 original vision for this storied frame was free of a front derailer: 

 [It's] basically a flat-to-rolling land bike that, by virtue of its 
 superlong top tube (62.5cm on this 54.3cm frame), locks you into a 
 sweeepyback bar. That doesn’t rule out touring or dirt riding, but 
 those aren’t the point, and to drive home the actual point, it has one 
 water bottle, and no way to mount a front derailer. 


I don't get this bike? Is it design for flatland like Florida? How can you 
have a 54/55cm bike with a 62.5 toptube? Any rider would have an extremely 
long torso?! 

Maybe I'm spoiled, but living here in the SF Bay Area, we have tons of 
places to ride and there's always hills, especially here in SF. But, I love 
the hills and enjoy climbing. The rewards - good long climbs are usually 
followed by great descents and the fitness you get from climbing is great. 
I could never see getting a bike that is only good for flat-to-rolling 
land. Good Luck!
 


 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13522805152/odd-new-bike-and-misc-stuffs 

 I generally vote on the side of weird, so I think its wonderful, but 
 maybe Riv believes it's too weird, or maybe their inner pendulum has 
 swung back from specialized to versatile. 

 However it comes out, I hope they sell thousands of them! 

 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
 benzo...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  Maybe Grant has lost it and designed this bike for the SRAM XX1! Carbon 
  everything, baby! :) 
  
  http://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/family/xx1 
  
  
  
  On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:34:31 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: 
  
  This bike has very long chainstays, a very long headtube, and is not 
  intended to be run with a front derailer. It's much more cruiser than 
  anything else in Riv's line. 
  
  Joe Bernard 
  Vallejo CA. 
  
  On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:52:40 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: 
  
  Haha, I am all for new bikes, especially ones that can be set up with 
 IGH 
  hubs. I do love a secret as well and so far I believe there has only 
 been 
  one mystery bike owner to come forward and it had more the touches 
 of a 
  custom, with the scarab headbadge and all. I would love to get a test 
 ride 
  on one of those, oh and a credit card with no limit also! 
  On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Dave dfa...@charter.net wrote: 
  
  Before you get all conspiracy theorist about this, the finished one 
 I 
  saw was one of the original batch that went to the early adopters. 
  This 
  green one may be part of that, as well.  Besides, if it's a new bike 
 that's 
  taking off due to popularity, let's be happy about that!  Grant never 
 did 
  formally (or at least publicly) settle on a name for it, so, no, you 
 didn't 
  miss a thing.  Transparency was never part of the bargain, though! 
  
  
  
  On 12/29/2012 9:11 PM, Peter Morgano wrote: 
  
  Now I am curious, how many of these things are there if they are 
 getting 
  shipped out to customers? Did I miss a Blug or email about them 
 picking a 
  name and head badge or are we in the realm of not so secret secrets? 
  
  On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dave dfa...@charter.net wrote: 
  
  I saw an Appaloosa at RBW before it was shipped (not the one in this 
  pic).  One of the prettiest bikes I've ever seen.  No front 
 derailer, 
  either.  Having ridden the Bosco/proto/whatever, and knowing the it 
 became 
  the Appaloosa, I'd buy one instead of a custom.  It was THAT fun! 
  You can 
  strap accessories to anything with enough ingenuity; it's the feel 
 that 
  matters, so far as I'm concerned.  I hope it sticks in the lineup, 
 unlike 
  the other great bikes like the Simple One. 
  
  
  
  
  On 12/29/2012 8:48 PM, dougP wrote: 
  
  What - no racks, no bags, no baskets?  Not even a pump or bottle 
 cage? 
  And it's already got grips  bar tape!  Nice looking ride; maybe 
 built for a 
  customer?  Those head badges are quite nicely detailed. 
  
  dougP 
  
  On Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:12:27 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: 
  
  Dropped by RBW today for a few things, including a leftover RONA 
  t-shirt (that's Retrogrouches of North America). Snapped a pic of 
 the new 
  protovelo with an Appaloosa headbadge that I hadn't seen before: 
  
  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8322596189/in/set-72157632374797893/
  
  
  Also included a shot of the new Yves Gomez headbadge because it's 
 so 
  cool. 
  
  jim m 
  wc ca 
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread justinaugust
Then you probably aren't the target market. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried adding a larger sprocket to a 7-speed cassette?

2012-12-31 Thread Ron Mc
Lead pipe Grand Prix.  Nottingham May '76.  Bought it at the West End bike 
shop in Nashville that fall when I attended Vandy.  But it's still not that 
bad - rigged out it's a 25-lb.bike, and it's carried my 200+ lbs for 37 
years.  Of course always stored indoors.  It's had steady rebuilds over the 
years.  Climbing TX hills, the original splined crank stripped out early. 
 At the UT Co-op bike shop, all the employers were racers, they won parts 
and sold them in the shop for cheap.  So I bought the Sugino Mighty Comp. 
 Then had a set of wheels built on Zeus Grand Sport hubs with Rigida 1320s. 
 It's these wheels that make the bike.  The builder reversed the spokes to 
make them stronger for my large size, and I'm still riding them - in fact, 
whatever he did make a granite set of lightweight wheels (I rub the carbon 
steel spokes with Boeshield) .  (Recently bought a NOS set of 1320s and 
some decent used Campy wide flange GS hubs and have a second set of wheels 
with cross tires for when ride ranch roads.)  Shimano 600 
Arabesque derailleurs, and most recently my upright rebuild with Tecnomic, 
Moustache and bar-end - still with my Zeus levers.  In fact the only 
original parts on the bike are the headset (still great) and Weinmann 
center pulls.  Found my TA Grand Sport chainrings in Germany for $60 total, 
and love my 9 useful gears (the overlap is the 28 rear on either 
chainring), but the 9 evenly-spaced gears are great.  

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/araleigh003-1.jpg

Sorry, the photo doesn't show my new 46 front.  It has plenty of marks in 
the paint, but what's left still takes a wax and looks striking even with 
its mars.  

If I ever get around to repainting it, I stole a set of Zeus dropouts on 
ebay and will also have lugs added.  I used the long stays on my Nitto 
front, and Acorn leather washers to fill the gap between the dropout lugs 
and forks.  In fact, I've become an Acorn leather washer junkie - I''ve 
found a thousand M5 uses for them.  The shorty fenders are the alloy 
Blumels, which also look pretty cool - and they keeps the brakes clean. 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aaPB210006.jpg

My real bike money goes into my daughter's bike, though I will eventually 
have an AHH.  
But my lead pipe Grand Prix is still a cozy ride.  

On Monday, December 31, 2012 9:21:15 AM UTC-6, Tom Harrop wrote:

 Yep, for some people it's definitely necessary to optimize gearing.

 What model Raleigh is it? My commuter is a '74 Nottingham Raleigh, but 
 it's a lead-pipe Grand Prix


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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread EastBayGuy

Green Ranch.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=enll=37.87072,-121.907473spn=0.011434,0.026157sll=37.269174,-119.306607sspn=11.79,26.784668oq=green+rancht=hhnear=Green+Ranch+Rd,+Walnut+Creek,+California+94598z=16

You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker

I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.

Dustin G

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RE: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

2012-12-31 Thread Marc Schwartz
Tom,
If that broken bolt is still stuck in the hourglass braze-on, you can carefully 
drill it out using a #19 or 11/64 drill. Go slowly and use a few drops of oil 
(Phil Tenacious works as a decent cutting oil in a pinch). After drilling, run 
your trusty M5 tap through (again, carefully with oil) to clean up the threads.

Good luck
Marc

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Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

I agree, buy the tool! I will be if I ever have to do it again, thanks to the 
snapped bolt.

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[RBW] Appaloosa - front derailleur preferred

2012-12-31 Thread James Warren
I think the Appaloosa looks great and love its name and having toured on a long 
TT Atlantis with 17 cm stem and Bosco bars, I think the Appaloosa would be a 
versatile, comfortable, and fun bike.

Given all that, I would be annoyed by difficulty in mounting a front derailleur 
on the bike. I would want to use the bike for everything, and that includes big 
hills. That photo of the yellow Appaloosa stirred these thoughts. I suppose it 
wouldn't be hard to add a clamp-on cable stop to the downtube, but I still 
don't understand the value of not having front dérailleur capability built-in 
as a part of the bike.

-Jim W.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Brewster Fong


On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:20:50 AM UTC-8, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Then you probably aren't the target market.


Fair enough, so who is the target market? Good Luck! 

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[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

2012-12-31 Thread Tom Harrop
Thanks Marc. It turned out the rack was better mounted to the other side of 
the eyelet anyway, but I will remove the broken bolt at some point. I would 
do well to save some weight...

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried adding a larger sprocket to a 7-speed cassette?

2012-12-31 Thread Tom Harrop
Wow! That has to be the nicest looking GP from that era that I've seen. I'm 
really fond of mine too, but it was in pretty awful condition when I got 
hold of it a few years ago, so most of the original parts were rusted and 
had to go, except the headset. It's also too small for me, so it does duty 
as an around-town bike with a rack and albatross bars.

I like how you've done the front rack, I could use a basket on mine. Is 
that a Mark's rack?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Joe Bunik
yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate rd.
it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was an
impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).

=- Joe

On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Green Ranch.

 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=enll=37.87072,-121.907473spn=0.011434,0.026157sll=37.269174,-119.306607sspn=11.79,26.784668oq=green+rancht=hhnear=Green+Ranch+Rd,+Walnut+Creek,+California+94598z=16

 You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker

 I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Mather
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe I'm spoiled, but living here in the SF Bay Area, we have tons of
 places to ride and there's always hills, especially here in SF.

That would explain the popularity of those Pake Urban bikes, Public
bikes, and a whole store on Market Street for Dutch city anchors (I
mean bikes), none of which would make it up California St without a
push.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread John Price
While I'm not the target buyer for this sort of bike I have to say
'YEAH! to Grant for coming up with a nice name - Appaloosa.   I may
be in the minority here but names like Homer Hilsen, Bosco, Gomez...
do nothing for me.   The bikes are GREAT but the names - to me - are a
let down.   With Appaloosa I picture a beautiful, elegant animal.
With Homer Hilsen I picture someone's next door neighbor - nice guy
maybe but I don't want his name on my bike.   Again, not saying the
bikes aren't nice - I think the Hilsen is great.  Just not so much the
names of fictional people.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Colin Bortner
Single-speeds, three-speeds, IGHs of all kinds, 1xXs, etc., all prove
there are markets for bikes without a front derailer (infact, many
different markets). In comparison to many common limitations on bikes,
not having a front derailer is hardly radical:

MCRBs that can't fit tires wider that 23mm
(Or can't fit fenders!)
Fixed-gears that can't coast
Handlebars that can't be raised
etc

As to the question of hills and touring, despite calling out
fixed-gears in my list above, I've done a lot of fixed-gear touring,
including cross-country. That may disqualify me from saying this, but
touring with a 24t on your triple in the front may be desirable for
some, but is it really necessary for many-geared tourists with wide
range cassettes? How about the 48t? A wide range 1x8, 1x9, 1x10, or
1x11 with a 36t up front would be more than adequate for most
tourists, covering a range between 30 gear-inces and 90 gear-inches.

Anyway, I'm excited for something different.


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 On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:20:50 AM UTC-8, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Then you probably aren't the target market.


 Fair enough, so who is the target market? Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: New Years Day PDX Ride?

2012-12-31 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
I got confirmation that the taco joint will be open on New Year's Day. The 
dining room is out of sight of the bikes, so a lock might be useful if you 
want to stop for tacos.

I plan to wear my wooly warm tweed sweater vest if anyone wants to be 
matchy-match.

See whoever tomorrow 11am at the benches on the Willamette River Greenway 
Trail near NW 9th  Naito Pkwy. 
Here.https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=45.533124,-122.678919hl=enll=45.533244,-122.678275spn=0.003803,0.008894sll=45.532838,-122.680764sspn=0.007546,0.025964t=hmra=miftmrsp=0sz=16z=17
 

--Smitty



On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Just putting the feelers out to see if any Portland area Riv-sters would 
 be interested in a New Years Day ride. I don't necessarily have a specific 
 route or destination to suggest. Just figured I'd see if there was interest 
 and we could go from there. 
 --Andy


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Mather
Lime Ridge was quite rideable yesterday, with a few muddy spots. After
another day of sun today, trail conditions should be perfect tomorrow.
Currently 47F in Walnut Creek and 34F up on Diablo, so you may want to
bring a jacket and gloves for the ride down.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
 curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate rd.
 it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was an
 impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).

 =- Joe

 On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Green Ranch.

 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=enll=37.87072,-121.907473spn=0.011434,0.026157sll=37.269174,-119.306607sspn=11.79,26.784668oq=green+rancht=hhnear=Green+Ranch+Rd,+Walnut+Creek,+California+94598z=16

 You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker

 I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Brewster Fong


On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:10:52 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Brewster Fong 
 bfd...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  Maybe I'm spoiled, but living here in the SF Bay Area, we have tons of 
  places to ride and there's always hills, especially here in SF. 

 That would explain the popularity of those Pake Urban bikes, Public 
 bikes, and a whole store on Market Street for Dutch city anchors (I 
 mean bikes), none of which would make it up California St without a 
 push. 


I don't know, living and riding in SF, both commuting and recreational, you 
don't see alot of those kind of bikes being ridden around, especially the 
dutch ones. Still, even they all do have one feature that can get them up 
the hill - a front der to allow more than a single speed crank. Thus, they 
may weight alot, but if they have a triple with low gearing low a 24t or 
26t it is possible.

Yes, you do see all the hipster kids riding their fixies and single speed 
all over the city, but on even moderate hills of about a block or so, you 
see them walking

So, I wonder who is the target market? Good Luck!


 jim m 
 wc ca 


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Joe Bunik
So, who's bringing the chuckwagon or at least the trangia so that we
might have some moka pot and huevos up there at the Old Green Place?
;-)

On 12/31/12, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lime Ridge was quite rideable yesterday, with a few muddy spots. After
 another day of sun today, trail conditions should be perfect tomorrow.
 Currently 47F in Walnut Creek and 34F up on Diablo, so you may want to
 bring a jacket and gloves for the ride down.

 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
 curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate rd.
 it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was an
 impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).

 =- Joe

 On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Green Ranch.

 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=enll=37.87072,-121.907473spn=0.011434,0.026157sll=37.269174,-119.306607sspn=11.79,26.784668oq=green+rancht=hhnear=Green+Ranch+Rd,+Walnut+Creek,+California+94598z=16

 You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker

 I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.

 Dustin G

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Peter Morgano
Maybe people who live in the thousands of cities that aren't San Francisco?
NY is a  city that isn't San Francisco, I think at least from looking out
the window, and is pretty flat, again that window is coming in handy today.
I am not a geography expert but I have to assume that there are plenty of
other cities that aren't full of hills where someone could really have a
lot of fun with this bike. I don't think this was ever billed as an All
Rounder or anything of the sort.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:10:52 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
  Maybe I'm spoiled, but living here in the SF Bay Area, we have tons of
  places to ride and there's always hills, especially here in SF.

 That would explain the popularity of those Pake Urban bikes, Public
 bikes, and a whole store on Market Street for Dutch city anchors (I
 mean bikes), none of which would make it up California St without a
 push.


 I don't know, living and riding in SF, both commuting and recreational,
 you don't see alot of those kind of bikes being ridden around, especially
 the dutch ones. Still, even they all do have one feature that can get them
 up the hill - a front der to allow more than a single speed crank. Thus,
 they may weight alot, but if they have a triple with low gearing low a 24t
 or 26t it is possible.

 Yes, you do see all the hipster kids riding their fixies and single speed
 all over the city, but on even moderate hills of about a block or so, you
 see them walking

 So, I wonder who is the target market? Good Luck!


 jim m
 wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread cyclotourist
I'm guessing meeting the right price point is the trick on this one.
*Most *everybody
here could be talked into getting one as an extra/fun bike if the price
were right. Plus it would be a GREAT first bike for a LOT of people who
just need something to ride to Trader Joe's, go to the movies, take a
package to the PO, cruise the promenade. But those folks probably don't
want to put a lot of money out for a bike, which is the conundrum.

Me, I'd like to see the top tube disappear and come out with a mixte
version. Or incorporate some of it's features (horizontal drop outs,
shallow seat tube, lng virtual top tube) into the existing mixtes.


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:10:52 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
  Maybe I'm spoiled, but living here in the SF Bay Area, we have tons of
  places to ride and there's always hills, especially here in SF.

 That would explain the popularity of those Pake Urban bikes, Public
 bikes, and a whole store on Market Street for Dutch city anchors (I
 mean bikes), none of which would make it up California St without a
 push.


 I don't know, living and riding in SF, both commuting and recreational,
 you don't see alot of those kind of bikes being ridden around, especially
 the dutch ones. Still, even they all do have one feature that can get them
 up the hill - a front der to allow more than a single speed crank. Thus,
 they may weight alot, but if they have a triple with low gearing low a 24t
 or 26t it is possible.

 Yes, you do see all the hipster kids riding their fixies and single speed
 all over the city, but on even moderate hills of about a block or so, you
 see them walking

 So, I wonder who is the target market? Good Luck!


 jim m
 wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Mather
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
 That would explain the popularity of those Pake Urban bikes, Public
 bikes, and a whole store on Market Street for Dutch city anchors (I
 mean bikes), none of which would make it up California St without a
 push.


 I don't know, living and riding in SF, both commuting and recreational, you
 don't see alot of those kind of bikes being ridden around, especially the
 dutch ones. Still, even they all do have one feature that can get them up
 the hill - a front der to allow more than a single speed crank.


I work in SF Financial District, and I see plenty of those bikes along
the Embarcadero, and riding up and down Market. And you need to take a
closer look -- none of the Public Bikes are offered with a front
derailer, and the same goes for the Dutch bikes and the Pake C'mute.
There is plenty of market for non-front derailer'ed bikes even in SF.

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[RBW] Re: New Years Day PDX Ride?

2012-12-31 Thread Mike
Cool. I'll be there on my Hilsen. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried adding a larger sprocket to a 7-speed cassette?

2012-12-31 Thread Ron Mc
hi Tom, 
Nitto M 18.  I ordered the long Nitto stays from Rivendell.  In fact they 
were out of stock when I inquired with Spenser.  He gave me an estimate of 
when they would restock, and contacted me when they arrived.  Spenser has 
always done extremely well by me, his kind of service will keep me buying 
there.  I did have to cut about an inch from the long stays for my set-up.  

I could have spent less and used the Grand Compe ENE mini rack on my 
Weinmann brakes, but I like my Nitto rack.  
http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/08/grand-compe-ene-mini-rack-details.html

my rear rack is an original Jim Blackburn from 1978 or so, and I like it, 
too.  

As I said, I bought mine new in 1976, and it was, and still is, all about 
the fit.  

And thanks for your kind words.  
Ron 

On Monday, December 31, 2012 11:55:40 AM UTC-6, Tom Harrop wrote:

 Wow! That has to be the nicest looking GP from that era that I've seen. 
 I'm really fond of mine too, but it was in pretty awful condition when I 
 got hold of it a few years ago, so most of the original parts were rusted 
 and had to go, except the headset. It's also too small for me, so it does 
 duty as an around-town bike with a rack and albatross bars.

 I like how you've done the front rack, I could use a basket on mine. Is 
 that a Mark's rack?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Mather
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks very similar to the Bombadil

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8112777098/in/set-72157631828024667/

Yes, the asymmetric stays are similar, but the App' has much longer
chainstays and top tube than a Bomb'. It would be difficult to fit the
Appaloosa with drop bars.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle breathes ... sort of.

2012-12-31 Thread Ron MH
Touché, mon ami ! 
Bonne année et bonne santé !

On Monday, December 31, 2012 5:17:32 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:


 That's okay Ron ...lol I AM not a logical person !Imagination 
 begets logic ... as there is no logic without imagining something as 
 logical ;-)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Let us not forget that fixed gear drivetrains are the default, norm,
benchmark, archetype, and fundamental and natural reference point for all
cycling. They are *not* a limitation; rather everything else is, to one
degree or another, a declension from their primal purity and huge fun.

Amen.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore, who is sinning at least venially by gathering neat parts to
build up a coasting gearie with a (**gasp!!**) derailleur.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Colin Bortner colin.bort...@gmail.comwrote:

 [Sip] In comparison to many common limitations on bikes, not having a
 front derailer is hardly radical:

 [Snip]
 Fixed-gears that can't coast



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[RBW] Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread PATRICK MOORE
A fellow listmember has very generously offered me most of the parts I need
to build the very generously priced Ram frameset I recently received (and
yet another lister is sending me -- whoohoo! -- a pair of Dura Ace tub
wheels!).

Anyway, I have a choice of a ** rod operated* fd or a cable operated one. I
really want the rod one just for cool and weirdness, but I hate, hate HATE
a bare leftside shifter boss.

What do y'all think (besides Oh, shut up)?

BTW: A near-as-I-care-to-look-for-at-this-point color match for Ram Blue
can be found in the Sinful Colors nail polish selection at your local
Walgreens for ! $2.50. A wee bit lighter, but close enough for me.

Thanks to the generous listers who have offered me parts.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Dan McNamara
I would be a buyer if the price was in a good spot. 

Currently have my '94 XO-4 set up as a  Alba bar grocery getter / front mount 
baby hauler and have been thinking about setting up a Sam similarly as a 
replacement. The XO-4 has a 56 c-t seat tube and a 60.5 TT. 

The Appaloosa seems like a better bet for me than the Sam or the XO-4. Even 
though I live in Marin a wide rear cassette with an appropriate single ring up 
front would work for me as an around town and family ride bike. 

Don't really want to head in the cargo bike direction so this frame looks very 
interesting. 

Hoping it becomes a real model in the Riv lineup. 


Dan

Marin


On Dec 31, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:20:50 AM UTC-8, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Then you probably aren't the target market.
 
 Fair enough, so who is the target market? Good Luck! 
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread Dan McNamara
Mount a bell on the unused boss. Or get a Problem Solvers shifter boss cover. 


Dan

Marin


On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 A fellow listmember has very generously offered me most of the parts I need 
 to build the very generously priced Ram frameset I recently received (and yet 
 another lister is sending me -- whoohoo! -- a pair of Dura Ace tub wheels!).
 
 Anyway, I have a choice of a ** rod operated* fd or a cable operated one. I 
 really want the rod one just for cool and weirdness, but I hate, hate HATE a 
 bare leftside shifter boss.
 
 What do y'all think (besides Oh, shut up)?
 
 BTW: A near-as-I-care-to-look-for-at-this-point color match for Ram Blue can 
 be found in the Sinful Colors nail polish selection at your local Walgreens 
 for ! $2.50. A wee bit lighter, but close enough for me.
 
 Thanks to the generous listers who have offered me parts.
 
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[RBW] Re: Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread Kelly
make a small hook to work as a hat hanger ..   Thanks for the nail polish 
tip.. I dropped a wrench and put my first nick in mine. 

Kelly

On Monday, December 31, 2012 1:28:05 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A fellow listmember has very generously offered me most of the parts I 
 need to build the very generously priced Ram frameset I recently received 
 (and yet another lister is sending me -- whoohoo! -- a pair of Dura Ace tub 
 wheels!).

 Anyway, I have a choice of a ** rod operated* fd or a cable operated one. 
 I really want the rod one just for cool and weirdness, but I hate, hate 
 HATE a bare leftside shifter boss.

 What do y'all think (besides Oh, shut up)?

 BTW: A near-as-I-care-to-look-for-at-this-point color match for Ram Blue 
 can be found in the Sinful Colors nail polish selection at your local 
 Walgreens for ! $2.50. A wee bit lighter, but close enough for me.

 Thanks to the generous listers who have offered me parts.

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread cyclotourist
+1 on the bell.Very good spot for one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5874896812/


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mount a bell on the unused boss. Or get a Problem Solvers shifter boss
 cover.


 Dan

 Marin


 On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 A fellow listmember has very generously offered me most of the parts I
 need to build the very generously priced Ram frameset I recently received
 (and yet another lister is sending me -- whoohoo! -- a pair of Dura Ace tub
 wheels!).

 Anyway, I have a choice of a ** rod operated* fd or a cable operated one.
 I really want the rod one just for cool and weirdness, but I hate, hate
 HATE a bare leftside shifter boss.

 What do y'all think (besides Oh, shut up)?

 BTW: A near-as-I-care-to-look-for-at-this-point color match for Ram Blue
 can be found in the Sinful Colors nail polish selection at your local
 Walgreens for ! $2.50. A wee bit lighter, but close enough for me.

 Thanks to the generous listers who have offered me parts.

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[RBW] FS: 60cm Sam Hillborne

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Mather
Orange, single top-tube, takes sidepull/centerpull brakes not canti's.

Frame/fork/headset/bb for $750 plus shipping, though I prefer a SF Bay
Area/N. Calif sale.

Some built-up photos here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110622815911611774447/September282012

Great bike in great condition, a couple small paint scratches. My
proto-Bomba has taken its place, otherwise I wouldn't be selling it.

jim mather
walnut creek ca

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[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

2012-12-31 Thread Savvas
Gernot,

As others have already said, best use an M5 tap. Every workshop should have 
one. Always use a proper 'T' handle and chuck (I think General Tools make a 
nice small one) and proceed carefully. Don't use excessive force and 
remember that you are clearing existing threads - not trying to cut new 
ones! A few drops of oil on the tap and in the screw hole are a 'must-do' 
and always proceed on the basis of one turn in, half-a-turn back (or half 
in, 1/4 back if it's really tight). This helps to clear the threads and 
avoid biding and breakages!  

Savvas (who has broken too many bike bits...)

On Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:54:49 PM UTC+10:30, Earl Grey wrote:

 Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never 
 had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have 
 so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and 
 much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a 
 wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- 
 tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? 

 Thanks! 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Velocity Synergy the only 650b rim being sold for use with rim brakes?

2012-12-31 Thread Iron Rider
Thanks for all the leads and suggestions. I think I found what I need.

Nigel

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:00:41 PM UTC-5, Iron Rider wrote:

 Hi all,

 The building of my A.H.H.  seems to be stalling out over rim selection. Is 
 the Velocity Synergy the only 650b rim being sold for use with rim brakes? 
 And a related question, has anyone built up one of these for use by a 
 Clydesdale?  I am well over 200lbs and am looking for a strong reliable 
 wheel. Thanks for your thoughts and helpful comments.

 Nigel


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[RBW] Re: Anybody have great (or lousy) experience with waterproof iPhone5 mounts on your Riv? I need ones to investigate (and ones to avoid)

2012-12-31 Thread HKett
I work at a shop that sells the Topeak drybag cases for the iphone 4. They 
seem like a good affordable option that can stand up to a little spray too. 
I particularly like that they don't require the phone to be in a special 
(read: bulky) case to clip into a mount. I have my phone in a sleeve case 
and don't want to wrangle it into a case every time I want to have the 
phone on my ride. The bag is nice that you can just slide the phone in and 
go. The plastic would likely protect the phone some should it fall, and the 
mount can be attached to the stem to have the phone centered in the 
cockpit: nice!

I've ordered one for my iphone 5 and will report back my initial 
impressions.

On Monday, December 17, 2012 1:54:41 PM UTC-5, Derek wrote:




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[RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

2012-12-31 Thread sebseb
best would be to use a thread cutting drill of the right size

Am Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2012 10:24:49 UTC+1 schrieb Earl Grey:

 Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never 
 had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have 
 so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and 
 much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a 
 wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- 
 tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? 

 Thanks! 

 Gernot 


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[RBW] Re: FS? 57 Rivendell Road

2012-12-31 Thread bikenut46
I would only sell complete.  Have no use for the parts; too many already. 
It's a standard TT. I do have the original build sheet from Grant showing 
all the tube specs and so on. Also have a really nice pearl white 57mm 
Waterford RS-12, 753 for sale. This bike also has 2 forks 1 quill and 1 
ahead with Campy Record 10 Ergo. Thanks, Ed

On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:35:34 AM UTC-6, sebseb wrote:

 if the frameset only would be for sale one dayit might be interesting for 
 me...what length is the top tube? standart or short? regards  -seb.

 On Monday, December 3, 2012 10:23:18 PM UTC+1, bikenut46 wrote:

 I have too many bikes and am considering lightening my collection.  I 
 have a 57mm Rivendell Road with 2 forks, 1 for short reach and 1 for long 
 reach brakes.  The serial # is JS9932 which I'm sure all of you know is a 
 bicycle built by Joe Starck in 1999.  It is Coleman Stove Green with cream 
 head tube and windows. The condition is at least a 9 out of 10.  It is 
 equipped with a 10 speed Campagnolo Record Triple drive train.  172.5 
 cranks, Campy 10 speed bar end shifters, Campy record carbon brake levers, 
 Chorus brakes, Chorus cassette 13x29 gearing, Nitto S83 seatpost, Brooks 
 Swift Ti saddle, Mavic MA-40 rims, Chorus hubs, Wheelsmith DB spokes, Chris 
 King headset without graphics, 3t Record stem, 3t Forma SL bars 44mm. 

 I am not letting it go cheap and it might be worth more to me than I 
 would accept but am offering anyway.

 Also have a 172.5 Zepher Crankset, 50-40-28 with companion Phil Wood BB 
 that would probably go with the bike.

 Pics at the following:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikneut46/sets/72157632164976494/show/

 Thanks for looking,
 Ed Steck



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[RBW] Re: New Years Day PDX Ride?

2012-12-31 Thread Dennis Hogan
See you then - I'll start with the Wheelman and break off to see you at 11
Dennis in PDX

On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:24:54 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 I got confirmation that the taco joint will be open on New Year's Day. The 
 dining room is out of sight of the bikes, so a lock might be useful if you 
 want to stop for tacos.

 I plan to wear my wooly warm tweed sweater vest if anyone wants to be 
 matchy-match.

 See whoever tomorrow 11am at the benches on the Willamette River Greenway 
 Trail near NW 9th  Naito Pkwy. 
 Here.https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=45.533124,-122.678919hl=enll=45.533244,-122.678275spn=0.003803,0.008894sll=45.532838,-122.680764sspn=0.007546,0.025964t=hmra=miftmrsp=0sz=16z=17
  

 --Smitty



 On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Just putting the feelers out to see if any Portland area Riv-sters would 
 be interested in a New Years Day ride. I don't necessarily have a specific 
 route or destination to suggest. Just figured I'd see if there was interest 
 and we could go from there. 
 --Andy



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Re: [RBW] Re: introduction and first question....

2012-12-31 Thread sebseb
well, I am a man  of adventure, will look for an older model which might 
not be really rock-solid like the atlantis, but more in the esprit of 
the 80´s, like the rambouillet, or romulus, etc, as long as it has side 
pulls...as I said, don´t need lowrider in front, will adept to the bike to 
a certain amount if the bike is at least the right size..will keep my eyes 
open, but if a frame pops up here in my size I will go for it if I can  
-seb.

On Saturday, December 29, 2012 6:48:54 PM UTC+1, Ray Shine wrote:

 Sebastian -- I own a Canti-Romulus, which is the poor man's version of the 
 Ram. I rode down the Oregon Coast on it a few years ago pulling a BOB 
 trailer. I did not sense any over-load. I have toured fully loaded front 
 and rear panniers on my Atlantis and can tell you it is steady as a rock. 
 The same comment applies to a loaded Bleriot and Sam H. I would not load up 
 my Canti-Rom again after riding really tour-specific frames.

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 *From:* sebseb sebasti...@googlemail.com javascript:
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Sat, December 29, 2012 9:41:25 AM
 *Subject:* [RBW] Re: introduction and first question

 well, thank you for the quick responses, I think the double top tube of 
 the hilborne is a little too stout for me, the 58cm hilsen might be more my 
 taste, still very curious how the rambouillet might do with 
 panniers...anyway I always keep my gear rather light, so it doesn´t need to 
 be a frame which is designed to go around the world with 40kg of 
 load.about 12-15kg alltogether is what I normally need for a three week 
 trip (tent etc, but just light kitchen equip. (soup, tee coffee 
 etc))

 On Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:59:13 PM UTC+1, sebseb wrote:

 Dear Forum,
 I am a new member and would like to say hello and ask for a first advice 
 at the same time. I just found your group as I was doing some research to 
 replace my japanese touring frame which I lost in an accident some time 
 ago. I found the mid 80's frame which I had very well adapted to my needs, 
 a 28' wheeled sports-tourer with room for up to 32mm tires (with 
 fenders), long enough chainstays to have fenders and carry luggage on racks 
  but still with side pull-brakes (47-57 reach) and double crankset, the 
 fork even with eyelets for lowrider though I never used them. Besides doing 
 all my commutes with it I also travelled a lot on it, always with just two 
 panniers and a handlebar bag. I did a lot of brevets and several week-long 
 tours (with camping gear) with that frame, and though not the lightest and 
 maybe a little on the flexy side there was nothing really to complain 
 about. Since the accident I try to find something similar and Rivendell has 
 made some bikes in the past that seem to be what i am looking for, or at 
 least come very close to what I search for. As I hope to find amongst you 
 the real connaiseurs of this brand I would like to know which of the 
 Rivendell frames (also former ones) comes closest to my demands in your 
 opinion so that I can look for an occasion to try to find one in my size 
 (PBH 84cm). While in the current lineup I am not so shure there is such a 
 model, the older Rambouillet seemed to me the role model although I am 
 not shure if there is enough heel clearance to have larger panniers and two 
 eyelets would also be nicer at the rear  and front drop out? Has anybody 
 experiences with that kind of luggage on a Rambouillet? I would be pleased 
 to hear some first hand knowledge and if somebody has a frame in my size 
 (~58cm for 28' wheels) he wants to part with  i would also like to know 
 about it. With my best regards and a happy new year to everybody  -sebastian

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread James Warren
Well, there you go. Now there is no reason not offer front dérailleur 
capability on The Mystery Bike. If one wants to equip it as Grant intended, 
with no front dérailleur, the unused shifter boss on the downtube could be 
covered with a bell. Perfect for that bike.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:52 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 on the bell.Very good spot for one: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5874896812/ 
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mount a bell on the unused boss. Or get a Problem Solvers shifter boss cover. 
 
 
 Dan
 
 Marin
 
 
 On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A fellow listmember has very generously offered me most of the parts I need 
 to build the very generously priced Ram frameset I recently received (and 
 yet another lister is sending me -- whoohoo! -- a pair of Dura Ace tub 
 wheels!).
 
 Anyway, I have a choice of a ** rod operated* fd or a cable operated one. I 
 really want the rod one just for cool and weirdness, but I hate, hate HATE a 
 bare leftside shifter boss.
 
 What do y'all think (besides Oh, shut up)?
 
 BTW: A near-as-I-care-to-look-for-at-this-point color match for Ram Blue can 
 be found in the Sinful Colors nail polish selection at your local 
 Walgreens for ! $2.50. A wee bit lighter, but close enough for me.
 
 Thanks to the generous listers who have offered me parts.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Philip Williamson
A 36t ring and am 11-34 cassette gives you gears from 31 to 95 on Big 
Apples.
That would be more than enough for me. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com



On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:19:33 AM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote:



 On Monday, December 31, 2012 6:04:42 AM UTC-8, Colin B. wrote:

 I don't know if the thinking at Rivendell has changed, but Grant's 
 original vision for this storied frame was free of a front derailer: 

 [It's] basically a flat-to-rolling land bike that, by virtue of its 
 superlong top tube (62.5cm on this 54.3cm frame), locks you into a 
 sweeepyback bar. That doesn’t rule out touring or dirt riding, but 
 those aren’t the point, and to drive home the actual point, it has one 
 water bottle, and no way to mount a front derailer. 


 I don't get this bike? Is it design for flatland like Florida? How can you 
 have a 54/55cm bike with a 62.5 toptube? Any rider would have an extremely 
 long torso?! 

 Maybe I'm spoiled, but living here in the SF Bay Area, we have tons of 
 places to ride and there's always hills, especially here in SF. But, I love 
 the hills and enjoy climbing. The rewards - good long climbs are usually 
 followed by great descents and the fitness you get from climbing is great. 
 I could never see getting a bike that is only good for flat-to-rolling 
 land. Good Luck!
  


 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13522805152/odd-new-bike-and-misc-stuffs 

 I generally vote on the side of weird, so I think its wonderful, but 
 maybe Riv believes it's too weird, or maybe their inner pendulum has 
 swung back from specialized to versatile. 

 However it comes out, I hope they sell thousands of them! 

 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
 benzo...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Maybe Grant has lost it and designed this bike for the SRAM XX1! Carbon 
  everything, baby! :) 
  
  http://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/family/xx1 
  
  
  
  On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:34:31 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: 
  
  This bike has very long chainstays, a very long headtube, and is not 
  intended to be run with a front derailer. It's much more cruiser 
 than 
  anything else in Riv's line. 
  
  Joe Bernard 
  Vallejo CA. 
  
  On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:52:40 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: 
  
  Haha, I am all for new bikes, especially ones that can be set up with 
 IGH 
  hubs. I do love a secret as well and so far I believe there has only 
 been 
  one mystery bike owner to come forward and it had more the touches 
 of a 
  custom, with the scarab headbadge and all. I would love to get a test 
 ride 
  on one of those, oh and a credit card with no limit also! 
  On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Dave dfa...@charter.net wrote: 
  
  Before you get all conspiracy theorist about this, the finished 
 one I 
  saw was one of the original batch that went to the early adopters. 
  This 
  green one may be part of that, as well.  Besides, if it's a new bike 
 that's 
  taking off due to popularity, let's be happy about that!  Grant 
 never did 
  formally (or at least publicly) settle on a name for it, so, no, you 
 didn't 
  miss a thing.  Transparency was never part of the bargain, though! 
  
  
  
  On 12/29/2012 9:11 PM, Peter Morgano wrote: 
  
  Now I am curious, how many of these things are there if they are 
 getting 
  shipped out to customers? Did I miss a Blug or email about them 
 picking a 
  name and head badge or are we in the realm of not so secret secrets? 
  
  On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dave dfa...@charter.net wrote: 
  
  I saw an Appaloosa at RBW before it was shipped (not the one in 
 this 
  pic).  One of the prettiest bikes I've ever seen.  No front 
 derailer, 
  either.  Having ridden the Bosco/proto/whatever, and knowing the it 
 became 
  the Appaloosa, I'd buy one instead of a custom.  It was THAT fun! 
  You can 
  strap accessories to anything with enough ingenuity; it's the feel 
 that 
  matters, so far as I'm concerned.  I hope it sticks in the lineup, 
 unlike 
  the other great bikes like the Simple One. 
  
  
  
  
  On 12/29/2012 8:48 PM, dougP wrote: 
  
  What - no racks, no bags, no baskets?  Not even a pump or bottle 
 cage? 
  And it's already got grips  bar tape!  Nice looking ride; maybe 
 built for a 
  customer?  Those head badges are quite nicely detailed. 
  
  dougP 
  
  On Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:12:27 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: 
  
  Dropped by RBW today for a few things, including a leftover RONA 
  t-shirt (that's Retrogrouches of North America). Snapped a pic of 
 the new 
  protovelo with an Appaloosa headbadge that I hadn't seen before: 
  
  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8322596189/in/set-72157632374797893/
  
  
  Also included a shot of the new Yves Gomez headbadge because it's 
 so 
  cool. 
  
  jim m 
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread RJM
I agree with you John, I totally dig the name. 
 
I can't say I am in a market for this type of bike being that I need 
something for club road riding more than anything else right now. I do like 
the stays in the rear, they do give it a unique and pretty cool look. Dig 
the color. 
 

On Monday, December 31, 2012 12:12:56 PM UTC-6, John Price wrote:

 While I'm not the target buyer for this sort of bike I have to say 
 'YEAH! to Grant for coming up with a nice name - Appaloosa.   I may 
 be in the minority here but names like Homer Hilsen, Bosco, Gomez... 
 do nothing for me.   The bikes are GREAT but the names - to me - are a 
 let down.   With Appaloosa I picture a beautiful, elegant animal. 
 With Homer Hilsen I picture someone's next door neighbor - nice guy 
 maybe but I don't want his name on my bike.   Again, not saying the 
 bikes aren't nice - I think the Hilsen is great.  Just not so much the 
 names of fictional people. 

 John 


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Michael Williams
So   is the meet up still Pleasant Hill BART at 10ish?looking forward
to a great ride and putting some faces to these interwebs personas
 thanks   -Mike

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, who's bringing the chuckwagon or at least the trangia so that we
 might have some moka pot and huevos up there at the Old Green Place?
 ;-)

 On 12/31/12, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lime Ridge was quite rideable yesterday, with a few muddy spots. After
  another day of sun today, trail conditions should be perfect tomorrow.
  Currently 47F in Walnut Creek and 34F up on Diablo, so you may want to
  bring a jacket and gloves for the ride down.
 
  On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
  yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
  curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate rd.
  it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was an
  impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Green Ranch.
 
 
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=enll=37.87072,-121.907473spn=0.011434,0.026157sll=37.269174,-119.306607sspn=11.79,26.784668oq=green+rancht=hhnear=Green+Ranch+Rd,+Walnut+Creek,+California+94598z=16
 
  You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker
 
  I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.
 
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[RBW] New Years Day PDX Ride?

2012-12-31 Thread Aaron Young
Well, since the taco stand will be open... I'm in!  I won't be riding a
Riv, but I'll be MUSA'd up.

Aaron Young
Vancouver, WA

On Monday, December 31, 2012, Dennis Hogan wrote:

 See you then - I'll start with the Wheelman and break off to see you at 11
 Dennis in PDX

 On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:24:54 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 I got confirmation that the taco joint will be open on New Year's Day.
 The dining room is out of sight of the bikes, so a lock might be useful if
 you want to stop for tacos.

 I plan to wear my wooly warm tweed sweater vest if anyone wants to be
 matchy-match.

 See whoever tomorrow 11am at the benches on the Willamette River
 Greenway Trail near NW 9th  Naito Pkwy. 
 Here.https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=45.533124,-122.678919hl=enll=45.533244,-122.678275spn=0.003803,0.008894sll=45.532838,-122.680764sspn=0.007546,0.025964t=hmra=miftmrsp=0sz=16z=17


 --Smitty



 On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Just putting the feelers out to see if any Portland area Riv-sters would
 be interested in a New Years Day ride. I don't necessarily have a specific
 route or destination to suggest. Just figured I'd see if there was interest
 and we could go from there.
 --Andy

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread Ron Mc
cyclot, that looks great

On Monday, December 31, 2012 1:52:58 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 on the bell.Very good spot for one: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5874896812/ 


 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Dan McNamara 
 djmcn...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Mount a bell on the unused boss. Or get a Problem Solvers shifter boss 
 cover. 


 Dan

 Marin


 On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:28 AM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 A fellow listmember has very generously offered me most of the parts I 
 need to build the very generously priced Ram frameset I recently received 
 (and yet another lister is sending me -- whoohoo! -- a pair of Dura Ace tub 
 wheels!).

 Anyway, I have a choice of a ** rod operated* fd or a cable operated one. 
 I really want the rod one just for cool and weirdness, but I hate, hate 
 HATE a bare leftside shifter boss.

 What do y'all think (besides Oh, shut up)?

 BTW: A near-as-I-care-to-look-for-at-this-point color match for Ram Blue 
 can be found in the Sinful Colors nail polish selection at your local 
 Walgreens for ! $2.50. A wee bit lighter, but close enough for me.

 Thanks to the generous listers who have offered me parts.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread justinaugust
When I lived in San Fancisco and Oakland almost every person I knew rode a 1-3 
speed drivetrain. This being an 8-10 speed one I think they'll get by!  

-J, in PHL now

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur choice: help me out here.

2012-12-31 Thread justinaugust
If you don't take the rod actuated one, I will!

-J

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[RBW] WTT - fat tires for chubby

2012-12-31 Thread Philip Williamson
Hi all, after another rear Pasela sidewall fail, I'm left with a ton of 
tires that are too fat for a fendered Quickbeam. What I want is a set of 
high-quality chubby road tires in the 32-40mm range. Kojaks, JB Greens, 
narrower MSupremes, etc.  
What I have to trade is here: http://www.biketinker.com/
If you'd like to trade money instead of tires, I'm open to offers, and I'll 
use the $$ to buy tires from Riv, or the list. 

Sets of Marathons (47mm), Marathon Supremes (technically fit a QB, not 
really), Big Apples (2.35), Kenda Kewsts (40mm - fit a fendered QB), IRC 
Mythos CX-slicks (worn rear, less worn front - fit a fendered QB), and one 
lone 650B marathon. Also a lone All-Terrainasaurus, but it's on the bike 
right now. 
I'd like to keep the Marathon Supremes, since they're so nice, but they 
don't allow sand to pass between the chainstay and the tire. 

Thanks,
Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
I am also looking forward to this ride. See you at 9:30AM at the Pleasant
Hill BART.

- David G in SF


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Michael Williams 
mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote:

 So   is the meet up still Pleasant Hill BART at 10ish?looking forward
 to a great ride and putting some faces to these interwebs personas
  thanks   -Mike


 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, who's bringing the chuckwagon or at least the trangia so that we
 might have some moka pot and huevos up there at the Old Green Place?
 ;-)

 On 12/31/12, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lime Ridge was quite rideable yesterday, with a few muddy spots. After
  another day of sun today, trail conditions should be perfect tomorrow.
  Currently 47F in Walnut Creek and 34F up on Diablo, so you may want to
  bring a jacket and gloves for the ride down.
 
  On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
  yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
  curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate rd.
  it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was an
  impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).
 
  =- Joe
 
  On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Green Ranch.
 
 
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=enll=37.87072,-121.907473spn=0.011434,0.026157sll=37.269174,-119.306607sspn=11.79,26.784668oq=green+rancht=hhnear=Green+Ranch+Rd,+Walnut+Creek,+California+94598z=16
 
  You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker
 
  I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.
 
  Dustin G
 



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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread ted
The post at the head of this thread says 9:30 @ Pleasant Hill Bart.
Though I think that arrival times for trains are like 9:17, 9:37, 9:57
tomorrow morning, in which case for those taking Bart 9:40 might make
more sense.

On Dec 31, 12:44 pm, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com
wrote:
 So   is the meet up still Pleasant Hill BART at 10ish?    looking forward
 to a great ride and putting some faces to these interwebs personas
  thanks   -Mike







 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
  So, who's bringing the chuckwagon or at least the trangia so that we
  might have some moka pot and huevos up there at the Old Green Place?
  ;-)

  On 12/31/12, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
   Lime Ridge was quite rideable yesterday, with a few muddy spots. After
   another day of sun today, trail conditions should be perfect tomorrow.
   Currently 47F in Walnut Creek and 34F up on Diablo, so you may want to
   bring a jacket and gloves for the ride down.

   On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
   yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
   curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate rd.
   it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was an
   impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).

   =- Joe

   On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:

   Green Ranch.

 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=...

   You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker

   I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.

   Dustin G

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Michael Williams
perfect!   thanks

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 1:00 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:

 The post at the head of this thread says 9:30 @ Pleasant Hill Bart.
 Though I think that arrival times for trains are like 9:17, 9:37, 9:57
 tomorrow morning, in which case for those taking Bart 9:40 might make
 more sense.

 On Dec 31, 12:44 pm, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  So   is the meet up still Pleasant Hill BART at 10ish?looking forward
  to a great ride and putting some faces to these interwebs personas
   thanks   -Mike
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
   So, who's bringing the chuckwagon or at least the trangia so that we
   might have some moka pot and huevos up there at the Old Green Place?
   ;-)
 
   On 12/31/12, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
Lime Ridge was quite rideable yesterday, with a few muddy spots.
 After
another day of sun today, trail conditions should be perfect
 tomorrow.
Currently 47F in Walnut Creek and 34F up on Diablo, so you may want
 to
bring a jacket and gloves for the ride down.
 
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah, i'll help you find it... I want to head down the frog pond /
curry canyon roads afterward, then climb back up to the southgate
 rd.
it's been dry a few days so it might just work out. shell ridge was
 an
impassable mess a couple days ago (crown-clogging, get-a-stick mud).
 
=- Joe
 
On 12/31/12, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Green Ranch.
 
  https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Green+Ranch+Road,+Walnut+Creek,+CAhl=.
 ..
 
You can see the Pool to the right of the Marker
 
I'm heading out early tomorrow morning. I'll see ya on the Mt.
 
Dustin G
 
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Re: [RBW] Anybody have great (or lousy) experience with waterproof iPhone5 mounts on your Riv? I need ones to investigate (and ones to avoid)

2012-12-31 Thread René Sterental
There's this one available as well:
http://store.ibikesports.com/iphone-bike-case-mount/ibike-phone-booth-5-case-mount-iphone-5

I had a bad experience with the BioLogic and was using the Wahoo for the
iPhone 4S. Now exploring how riding with the iPhone 5 in a pocket and not
looking at numbers all the time feels.

René



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 08:19 -0800, Brewster Fong wrote:
 
 I don't get this bike? Is it design for flatland like Florida? How can
 you have a 54/55cm bike with a 62.5 toptube? Any rider would have an
 extremely long torso?!  

Unless it was designed to be used with bars that come back at you...



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Joe Bernard
It's a chopper, and it does what choppers do: Cruise calmy along the 
waterfront with hands lightly resting on bars that reach *way* back. If 
you'll recall, Grant originally proposed shifting the two-ring cranks with 
a stick. Yes, this chopper comes with a suicide shifter!
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, December 31, 2012 1:57:56 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 08:19 -0800, Brewster Fong wrote: 
  
  I don't get this bike? Is it design for flatland like Florida? How can 
  you have a 54/55cm bike with a 62.5 toptube? Any rider would have an 
  extremely long torso?!   

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread ascpgh
Jealously awaiting trip report...from Times Square.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: FS/slightly OT: 66cm Takara Overland Fixed Gear + extras (geared setup)--$350

2012-12-31 Thread Jeremy Till
Bump diddly ump

Didn't get any hits on this the first go around, I'd still sell it as per 
the above but now I'm also open to parting it out.  So, if you're 
interested in any of the parts on the bike or discussed above, hit me up!

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:37:02 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:

 (x-post from iBob, apologies if you see it twice).  

 Hey Folks-

 Need to free up space and capital for other bike projects, so I've decided 
 to sell my Takara Overland.  It is currently setup as kind of a 
 townie-fixed gear, built on a frame designed for loaded touring.  Since 
 I've recently acquired a Quickbeam for fixed gear townie duties, I don't 
 really need this anymore.  I bought it used a couple of years ago, built up 
 as a full on loaded tourer, and to sweeten the deal on the bike I will 
 included the 7spd (FW) rear wheel, shifters and derailleurs, so you can 
 convert it back to a geared bike if you so desire. 

 Pictures here: 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/85709120@N07/sets/72157632186942080/

 The details: 
 -Frame measures 66cm c-c seat tube, 57cm top tube, parallel 73 degree 
 angles.  Great for big guys looking for a true fistful of seatpost fit!  
 The tubing stickers say 4130, and if I had to guess I'd say it was 
 straight-gauge--this thing is definitely not a lightweight.  Designed for 
 27 wheels with cantilever brakes.
 -48cm Salsa Woodchipper handlebars with 150mm pre-QBP (i.e., Hecho en 
 Petaluma!) Salsa Quill Stem with brake hsg stop and cable roller.  It took 
 some doing to get this bar in this stem, so there are some scratches under 
 the tape.  
 -Dia-compe canitlever brakes with Tektro R200 brake levers, Cane Creek gum 
 hoods.
 -Rear wheel is Origin8 branded Formula sealed bearing track hub, 
 double-sided fixed threading, 126mm spacing, laced with 14g spokes to Sun 
 CR18 27 (630mm bsd) rim. 17t and 19t cogs.
 -Front wheel is a generic Weinmann single wall 27 rim on Sansin hub.  
 -Tires are 27x1 1/4 (630x32mm) Schwalbe Marathons with very few miles on 
 them. 
 -Crankset is a Sugino GT 110x74 triple, currently running a single 40t 
 chainring.  115mm Shimano UN-54 BB with 2mm spacer under driveside cup for 
 proper chainline.  
 -Dimension pedals.  
 -WTB Speed V seat on Kalloy seatpost.  
 -SKS P45 fenders.

 Not on the bike, but I will include--
 -Original Jim Blackburn silver alloy rear rack. 
 -7spd freewheel rear wheel, which matches the front--Weinmann single-wall 
 rim with Sansin hub.  Shimano Freewheel.  
 -Original Shimano Deerhead Deore F + R derailleurs, Suntour Symmetric 
 Shifters for single-bolt mounting on top of the DT.  (Note: one of the 
 shifter pivot bolts might be stripped).  
 -Original triple chainrings- 50/45/28

 Note: The frame isn't perfect.  The rear dropouts aren't perfectly 
 parallel, the fork alignment is a little bit off.  The canti posts are 
 positioned such that it's hard to use any other brakes than the ones that 
 are on there, and you definitely couldn't fit 700c wheels unless you cut 
 them off and used caliper brakes.  There are a couple of scratches and tiny 
 dings.  At one point, a previous owner clamped a kickstand to the 
 chainstays, and chainstays are minorly dented and paint is stripped there.  
 However, given the general beefyness of this frame, all of this never 
 worried me one bit.  

 I meant to fix this up and return it to geared setup before selling it, 
 but it looks like I'm just not going to have the time.  As a result of all 
 this, I'm offering first and foremost to BOBs, RBW list folks, and other 
 bike geeks who can understand it's not perfect and see the potential in it 
 anyways, especially given its uniquely large size and some of the cool 
 parts.  

 Asking $350, with reasonable offers accepted.  Ideally, i'd like to sell 
 it local to somebody in the SF Bay Area, but if you aren't local and really 
 want it, we'll work out a deal to ship it.  Contact me off-list.

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[RBW] Ending the year off right.

2012-12-31 Thread Manuel Acosta
Finished the year with an overnight bike camping trip with the Venturing 
crew near Mt.Tam. Interesting that just four years ago these same students 
never rode further then their home town. Now they're off climbing Mt.Tam 
and getting lost in the Marin Headlands. Best quote by one of them explains 
his thoughts on the trip.

 The desire to eat processed food and going to have fun at man made roller 
coasters is gone. Nature itself is a roller coaster that provides the best 
of mental and physical nutrition.

Some highlights of the trip.
- Getting to the top of the West Point Inn and playing horse shoes.
- Descending into Muir Beach with the sun just about setting.
- Meeting up with Jim Thill on his solo bike trip around the marin 
headlands.
- Forgetting spoons and eating oatmeal with beaf jerky.

Hope all of you got some nice riding in for the year 2012.
Pictures proved that the year ended off well:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDqv8LR

-Manny Where'd those kiddos go? Acosta

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[RBW] Porteur Rack experts needed

2012-12-31 Thread Scot Brooks
I finally got a large basket from Riv and its too big to fit on my little Soma 
front rack AND have room in front for the dyno headlamp (the medium is fine, 
but a little small). I thought a great platform for the basket would be the 
Soma Porteur Rack because I could even put little panniers on there in a pinch. 
I'd also save a bit of money if I do that rather than get the huge Nitto front 
rack. Any opinions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 

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Re: [RBW] Porteur Rack experts needed

2012-12-31 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Isn't it a Wald, and don't they come with struts? The large Walds I owned
(including the Newsboy, pictured) had their own struts and needed no rack.

http://www.ubcbike.com/store/product/113197/Wald-157-Newsboy-Basket/

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I finally got a large basket from Riv and its too big to fit on my little
 Soma front rack AND have room in front for the dyno headlamp (the medium is
 fine, but a little small). I thought a great platform for the basket would
 be the Soma Porteur Rack because I could even put little panniers on there
 in a pinch. I'd also save a bit of money if I do that rather than get the
 huge Nitto front rack. Any opinions or thoughts would be greatly
 appreciated.

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Re: [RBW] New Years Day PDX Ride?

2012-12-31 Thread Manuel Acosta
I want pictures and maybe a taco sent here to Ca

On Monday, December 31, 2012 12:44:19 PM UTC-8, AaronY wrote:

 Well, since the taco stand will be open... I'm in!  I won't be riding a 
 Riv, but I'll be MUSA'd up.

 Aaron Young
 Vancouver, WA

 On Monday, December 31, 2012, Dennis Hogan wrote:

 See you then - I'll start with the Wheelman and break off to see you at 11
 Dennis in PDX

 On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:24:54 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 I got confirmation that the taco joint will be open on New Year's Day. 
 The dining room is out of sight of the bikes, so a lock might be useful if 
 you want to stop for tacos.

 I plan to wear my wooly warm tweed sweater vest if anyone wants to be 
 matchy-match.

 See whoever tomorrow 11am at the benches on the Willamette River 
 Greenway Trail near NW 9th  Naito Pkwy. 
 Here.https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=45.533124,-122.678919hl=enll=45.533244,-122.678275spn=0.003803,0.008894sll=45.532838,-122.680764sspn=0.007546,0.025964t=hmra=miftmrsp=0sz=16z=17
  

 --Smitty



 On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
 wrote:

 Just putting the feelers out to see if any Portland area Riv-sters 
 would be interested in a New Years Day ride. I don't necessarily have a 
 specific route or destination to suggest. Just figured I'd see if there 
 was 
 interest and we could go from there. 
 --Andy

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried adding a larger sprocket to a 7-speed cassette?

2012-12-31 Thread Ron Mc


As I said, I've become a junkie for Acorn leather washers.  

Here is the leather washer spacing between the front dropout lug and long 
rack stay

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aPC310001_zps0b48a01f.jpg

and a novel use for them - on the Bell 11 from Rivbike, it dampens out 90% 
of the road shock rings, and makes a nice bridge for your thumb

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aPC310003_zps612f1b6c.jpg

To adjust fender spacing on my daughter's bike, I used a long M5 and a 
stack of spacers with a long M5 going into the bottom bracket boss

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aPC310005_zps1ce74da2.jpg

And attaching stays to frame bosses, it absorbs misalignment, distributes 
the contact stress, and as it compresses it becomes a lock washer

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aPC310007_zps9c95e0d7.jpg

and of course the obvious spot on a fender stay

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aPC310008_zps3883f578.jpg

apologize for the welded aluminum frame, but my daughter is riding 20 miles 
and climbing hills on her Nexus 8 - with a slight modification - I reduced 
her front chainwheel to 42 and increased her rear sprocket to 26, keeping 
the same chain length and turning her bottom two gears into tree climbers. 
 She still hasn't been into the top two gears, but she'll eventually want 
to go faster. 

  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aPB210002.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Ending the year off right.

2012-12-31 Thread René Sterental
Happy New Year Manny!

Keep inspiring us!

René


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Finished the year with an overnight bike camping trip with the Venturing
 crew near Mt.Tam. Interesting that just four years ago these same students
 never rode further then their home town. Now they're off climbing Mt.Tam
 and getting lost in the Marin Headlands. Best quote by one of them explains
 his thoughts on the trip.

  The desire to eat processed food and going to have fun at man made
 roller coasters is gone. Nature itself is a roller coaster that provides
 the best of mental and physical nutrition.

 Some highlights of the trip.
 - Getting to the top of the West Point Inn and playing horse shoes.
 - Descending into Muir Beach with the sun just about setting.
 - Meeting up with Jim Thill on his solo bike trip around the marin
 headlands.
 - Forgetting spoons and eating oatmeal with beaf jerky.

 Hope all of you got some nice riding in for the year 2012.
 Pictures proved that the year ended off well:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDqv8LR

 -Manny Where'd those kiddos go? Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Porteur Rack experts needed

2012-12-31 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
The baskets Riv sells are just the basket... no struts or attachment 
hardware. 

The Soma Porteur Rack is a nice rack. I don't own one myself but a buddy 
has one and uses it to support his basket. It seems like a great rack. The 
one thing I'll warn you about is that the SPR comes with hardware to attach 
to the axle. My buddy did a hack so it attaches to the eyelets instead... a 
better set-up in my opinion. I've never paid much attention to how it's on 
there but my buddy has a light mounted to one of the vertical struts. 

I would consider an SPR if I need a front rack. 

Good Luck, 

Smitty

On Monday, December 31, 2012 3:27:28 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:

 I finally got a large basket from Riv and its too big to fit on my little 
 Soma front rack AND have room in front for the dyno headlamp (the medium is 
 fine, but a little small). I thought a great platform for the basket would 
 be the Soma Porteur Rack because I could even put little panniers on there 
 in a pinch. I'd also save a bit of money if I do that rather than get the 
 huge Nitto front rack. Any opinions or thoughts would be greatly 
 appreciated. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Joe Bunik
Ha man it'll be slow and easy, then!

Nah serious though, your google map route is ok but am not so sure on
taking Burma Rd up. Unless people feel more like hiking than riding
;-) but it seems like we're gonna be a mob, so I'm sure
splinter/self-flaggelating groups can be arranged ad hoc.

It will be fun (no doubt), dry (hope) and cold (for sure!)... I'm
nursing along a cold but this should be just what the doctor ordered.
Happy 2013, everyone! Don't over-do tonight if you're a-ridin @930
tomorrow!!!
J

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 awesome Imma following Joe then.

 On Monday, December 31, 2012 3:08:40 PM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:

 Jealously awaiting trip report...from Times Square.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh, PA


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[RBW] Fwd: [GoneRiding] For Sale: 57.5cm 1993 Bridgestone RB-1/7

2012-12-31 Thread Joe Bunik
Am forwarding this at req. of Jim G - somebody be a good BOB and go n'
git it! Not the seller, but friend of... he's probably okay ;-)

Happy 2013,
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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From: jim g j...@yojimg.net
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:38:13 -0800

Finally getting around to selling my RB-1/7.  57.5cm size.  Awesome, near
original condition!  Asking $900.  Details at the CL post...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/3513452547.html

More photos are at http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDqvsa2

Please forward to iBOB and RBW -- I'm not on either of those lists these
days.

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Mather
I'll be at BART to meet the 9:40 train. If you get there early and
need coffee, there's a Starbucks about a block away at Jones  Treat.
And if you're not familiar with Diablo, bring food; there's nothing to
buy on the mountain.

happy new year!

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ha man it'll be slow and easy, then!

 Nah serious though, your google map route is ok but am not so sure on
 taking Burma Rd up. Unless people feel more like hiking than riding
 ;-) but it seems like we're gonna be a mob, so I'm sure
 splinter/self-flaggelating groups can be arranged ad hoc.

 It will be fun (no doubt), dry (hope) and cold (for sure!)... I'm
 nursing along a cold but this should be just what the doctor ordered.
 Happy 2013, everyone! Don't over-do tonight if you're a-ridin @930
 tomorrow!!!
 J

 On 12/31/12, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:
 awesome Imma following Joe then.

 On Monday, December 31, 2012 3:08:40 PM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:

 Jealously awaiting trip report...from Times Square.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh, PA


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[RBW] Re: Porteur Rack experts needed

2012-12-31 Thread Scot Brooks
Thanks Smitty, I didn't notice the weird axle mount thing. Hopefully the Sam 
fork can accommodate eyelet mounting. 

Speaking of front loading a Sam, maybe Manny-the-front-loaded-Sam-master will 
chime in. 

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[RBW] First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
After about 9 years of being a Riv fan/rider/dealer, I made my first visit to 
Riv today. I walked into the showroom, and there is Grant sitting at a table in 
the middle of the room having an intense discussion with a Frenchish sorta man 
who I presume to be Yves Gomez. Unfortunately Grant wasn't available to 
chitchat, but Mark and Brian invited me in for coffee and to talk shop. What a 
great bunch!

Brian gave me some instruction about where to camp in the Diablo foothills 
nearby. Surely I bungled his directions, but I think I found a pretty good spot 
on the top of a big hill. The view is nice, but the sun just set, and it's 
getting chilly. I guess I'll set up my tent.

Happy new year everybody!

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Re: [RBW] New Years Day PDX Ride?

2012-12-31 Thread cyclotourist
I'm trying to get my PDX peeps out there an a ridin'!

Doing my part to live vicariously through others!


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 I want pictures and maybe a taco sent here to Ca


 On Monday, December 31, 2012 12:44:19 PM UTC-8, AaronY wrote:

 Well, since the taco stand will be open... I'm in!  I won't be riding a
 Riv, but I'll be MUSA'd up.

 Aaron Young
 Vancouver, WA

 On Monday, December 31, 2012, Dennis Hogan wrote:

 See you then - I'll start with the Wheelman and break off to see you at
 11
 Dennis in PDX

 On Monday, December 31, 2012 10:24:54 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt
 wrote:

 I got confirmation that the taco joint will be open on New Year's Day.
 The dining room is out of sight of the bikes, so a lock might be useful if
 you want to stop for tacos.

 I plan to wear my wooly warm tweed sweater vest if anyone wants to be
 matchy-match.

 See whoever tomorrow 11am at the benches on the Willamette River
 Greenway Trail near NW 9th  Naito Pkwy. 
 Here.https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=45.533124,-122.678919hl=enll=45.533244,-122.678275spn=0.003803,0.008894sll=45.532838,-122.680764sspn=0.007546,0.025964t=hmra=miftmrsp=0sz=16z=17


 --Smitty



 On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt
 wrote:

 Just putting the feelers out to see if any Portland area Riv-sters
 would be interested in a New Years Day ride. I don't necessarily have a
 specific route or destination to suggest. Just figured I'd see if there 
 was
 interest and we could go from there.
 --Andy

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Re: [RBW] First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Robert Barr
Happy New Year Jim, I am enjoying your travel narrative and pictures. Thank
you for sharing. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 After about 9 years of being a Riv fan/rider/dealer, I made my first visit
 to Riv today. I walked into the showroom, and there is Grant sitting at a
 table in the middle of the room having an intense discussion with a
 Frenchish sorta man who I presume to be Yves Gomez. Unfortunately Grant
 wasn't available to chitchat, but Mark and Brian invited me in for coffee
 and to talk shop. What a great bunch!

 Brian gave me some instruction about where to camp in the Diablo foothills
 nearby. Surely I bungled his directions, but I think I found a pretty good
 spot on the top of a big hill. The view is nice, but the sun just set, and
 it's getting chilly. I guess I'll set up my tent.

 Happy new year everybody!

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Re: [RBW] First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Bill Gibson
It is fun following your adventures in the west! Amazing how technology is
making this possible, so enjoy and Happy New Year! ( see you on Facebook,
too!)


On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Robert Barr rcba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Happy New Year Jim, I am enjoying your travel narrative and pictures.
 Thank you for sharing. Bob (Indianapolis)


 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 thill@gmail.com wrote:

 After about 9 years of being a Riv fan/rider/dealer, I made my first
 visit to Riv today. I walked into the showroom, and there is Grant sitting
 at a table in the middle of the room having an intense discussion with a
 Frenchish sorta man who I presume to be Yves Gomez. Unfortunately Grant
 wasn't available to chitchat, but Mark and Brian invited me in for coffee
 and to talk shop. What a great bunch!

 Brian gave me some instruction about where to camp in the Diablo
 foothills nearby. Surely I bungled his directions, but I think I found a
 pretty good spot on the top of a big hill. The view is nice, but the sun
 just set, and it's getting chilly. I guess I'll set up my tent.

 Happy new year everybody!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread William
I went by Riv HQ today and rode the Appaloosa.  I assure you it was 
delightful.  It's a dynamite bike unlike any other bike I've ever ridden.  
Those that say they don't get it have it 100% correct.  They fail to 
understand what it is, and what it is for.  Open your mind a little and at 
least I think you can appreciate what it is, even if you don't want one.  

The highlights for me are the three utterly unique lengths of the Appaloosa

1.  The top tube is so freaking long that you still have room to live even 
with swept back bars.  Bars that sweep back a foot and you still can't hit 
your knees on the barcon shifters!
2.  The Bosco Bars that are obviously ideal for it do have a ton of room 
for lots of hand positions
3.  The 56cm chainstays (56!) give it a swoopy cadillac road feel that was 
just awesome.  

It's really hard not to giggle when riding it.  Don't even consider it if 
you don't want your bike to make you smile.  

On Monday, December 31, 2012 2:35:15 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 It's a chopper, and it does what choppers do: Cruise calmy along the 
 waterfront with hands lightly resting on bars that reach *way* back. If 
 you'll recall, Grant originally proposed shifting the two-ring cranks with 
 a stick. Yes, this chopper comes with a suicide shifter!
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Monday, December 31, 2012 1:57:56 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 08:19 -0800, Brewster Fong wrote: 
  
  I don't get this bike? Is it design for flatland like Florida? How can 
  you have a 54/55cm bike with a 62.5 toptube? Any rider would have an 
  extremely long torso?!   

 Unless it was designed to be used with bars that come back at you... 





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[RBW] Re: Porteur Rack experts needed

2012-12-31 Thread Philip Williamson
Would it work to make a standoff mount for the light, and keep the rack? 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, December 31, 2012 3:27:28 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:

 I finally got a large basket from Riv and its too big to fit on my little 
 Soma front rack AND have room in front for the dyno headlamp (the medium is 
 fine, but a little small). I thought a great platform for the basket would 
 be the Soma Porteur Rack because I could even put little panniers on there 
 in a pinch. I'd also save a bit of money if I do that rather than get the 
 huge Nitto front rack. Any opinions or thoughts would be greatly 
 appreciated. 

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[RBW] Re: First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread allenmichael
Yes. Absolutely love the pre-get out of the cold and into the tent posts 
from the Bay Area wildness. Looking forward to meeting you tomorrow.

Michael Allen

On Monday, December 31, 2012 5:35:53 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 After about 9 years of being a Riv fan/rider/dealer, I made my first visit 
 to Riv today. I walked into the showroom, and there is Grant sitting at a 
 table in the middle of the room having an intense discussion with a 
 Frenchish sorta man who I presume to be Yves Gomez. Unfortunately Grant 
 wasn't available to chitchat, but Mark and Brian invited me in for coffee 
 and to talk shop. What a great bunch!

 Brian gave me some instruction about where to camp in the Diablo foothills 
 nearby. Surely I bungled his directions, but I think I found a pretty good 
 spot on the top of a big hill. The view is nice, but the sun just set, and 
 it's getting chilly. I guess I'll set up my tent.

 Happy new year everybody!



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[RBW] Re: Porteur Rack experts needed

2012-12-31 Thread Scot Brooks
Hi Phillip,
It would, but I'm thinking that bike camping wise, it would strain the little 
front rack quite a lot. It can't really hold much weight, you see. The porteur 
rack is probably a bit overkill, but it's also versatile with the pannier 
mounts, large platform, and center oriented light mount. 

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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread allenmichael
looking forward to seeing you all in the morning, especially Michael 
Williams, who sold me the Atlantis that I will be riding.

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:05:50 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 I thought I'd start a thread for this ride, which was mentioned in another 
 thread. The plan is to meet at Pleasant Hill BART at 9:30 am: *
 http://tinyurl.com/bvt86we*

 It looks like the trails will be able to dry out a bit before then. There 
 should be enough locals on this ride to take different routes to the top 
 and back again.

 Cheers
 jim m
 wc ca


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[RBW] Re: First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread grant
JIM! You left about two minutes before I was ready for you. Shoot---I had a 
mtg and was looking forward to aaarrrgh. I'm out of the area 
tomorrow for 8 days. You're going riding with Manny? Good luck. He delights 
in underestimating the gruel factor. He talks the whole time. Shoots great 
pictures. I wish I were going. Did you ride the Appa?

On Monday, December 31, 2012 5:35:53 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 After about 9 years of being a Riv fan/rider/dealer, I made my first visit 
 to Riv today. I walked into the showroom, and there is Grant sitting at a 
 table in the middle of the room having an intense discussion with a 
 Frenchish sorta man who I presume to be Yves Gomez. Unfortunately Grant 
 wasn't available to chitchat, but Mark and Brian invited me in for coffee 
 and to talk shop. What a great bunch!

 Brian gave me some instruction about where to camp in the Diablo foothills 
 nearby. Surely I bungled his directions, but I think I found a pretty good 
 spot on the top of a big hill. The view is nice, but the sun just set, and 
 it's getting chilly. I guess I'll set up my tent.

 Happy new year everybody!



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Michael Williams
hey Michael,   right on!   glad youre still rocking it!   see you there!
 you know whats really funny about the Atlantisis that I bought it from
Hiawatha Cyclery in Minneapolis in maybe early '09 from none other than Jim
Thill who is going to be there tomorrow!  Small world; and the Atlantis
comes full circle. see you in the AM-Mike

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:54 PM, allenmichael allenmich...@mac.com wrote:

 looking forward to seeing you all in the morning, especially Michael
 Williams, who sold me the Atlantis that I will be riding.

 Michael Allen

 On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:05:50 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:

 I thought I'd start a thread for this ride, which was mentioned in
 another thread. The plan is to meet at Pleasant Hill BART at 9:30 am: *
 http://tinyurl.com/bvt86we*

 It looks like the trails will be able to dry out a bit before then. There
 should be enough locals on this ride to take different routes to the top
 and back again.

 Cheers
 jim m
 wc ca

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[RBW] Re: WTT - fat tires for chubby

2012-12-31 Thread allenmichael
I have 40-622 marathons on my fendered S1, and they seem perfect.

On Monday, December 31, 2012 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Hi all, after another rear Pasela sidewall fail, I'm left with a ton of 
 tires that are too fat for a fendered Quickbeam. What I want is a set of 
 high-quality chubby road tires in the 32-40mm range. Kojaks, JB Greens, 
 narrower MSupremes, etc.  
 What I have to trade is here: http://www.biketinker.com/
 If you'd like to trade money instead of tires, I'm open to offers, and 
 I'll use the $$ to buy tires from Riv, or the list. 

 Sets of Marathons (47mm), Marathon Supremes (technically fit a QB, not 
 really), Big Apples (2.35), Kenda Kewsts (40mm - fit a fendered QB), IRC 
 Mythos CX-slicks (worn rear, less worn front - fit a fendered QB), and one 
 lone 650B marathon. Also a lone All-Terrainasaurus, but it's on the bike 
 right now. 
 I'd like to keep the Marathon Supremes, since they're so nice, but they 
 don't allow sand to pass between the chainstay and the tire. 

 Thanks,
 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread iamkeith
I think that maybe I'M the target market!   Now that I know what the
mystery bike is all about, it's giving me serious pause.  I just
finished paying for my oldest kid's college, and I've been seriously
teetering on the edge of ordering my first custom bike ever as a
reward - a totally frivolous one-speed  cruiser for riding around
with my younger kids.  So I completely get the appeal, even though I
live in an area that's hillier than San Francisco.  Mabe that's what
I'll get when I win the lottery in three days except that I'll put
cantilever brakes on it and make it look like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/87152838@N05/8332489198/

Happy New Year, everybody!

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[RBW] Re: First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Grant, it's cool. I'll just have to visit again sometime! I'm camped just 
around the corner from RBW now. 

I'm having a great trip. Manny is great, as are some new friends I met through 
him.

Turns out a lady I've known since kindergarten lives here, in Danville. Her 
last name was Thomas back then, so we always sat next to each other in school. 
I'm going to have breakfast with her in the morning. Hopefully she's not too 
shocked at how stinky I've become in the two decades since we've seen each 
other! Then a bit later I meet up with another semi-local character I know 
through the Internet. That means I won't be on the official Diablo ride at 
9:30, but I have some faith that I'll intersect with that group at some point 
during the day's meanderings.

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[RBW] Re: First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
PS, Yves emailed me to confirm that it was him talking to Grant today. He seems 
like a good-natured character.

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Re: [RBW] Re: First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Shaun Meehan
Grant, you have to understand that Jim is a free spirit that cannot be
tethered. Happy New Year to both of you and to all of the folks at RBW. As
well as to all of my friends on this list. I hope 2013 is fantastic for all
of you!

Shaun Meehan

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:55 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote:

 JIM! You left about two minutes before I was ready for you. Shoot---I had
 a mtg and was looking forward to aaarrrgh. I'm out of the area
 tomorrow for 8 days. You're going riding with Manny? Good luck. He delights
 in underestimating the gruel factor. He talks the whole time. Shoots great
 pictures. I wish I were going. Did you ride the Appa?


 On Monday, December 31, 2012 5:35:53 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
 Cyclery wrote:

 After about 9 years of being a Riv fan/rider/dealer, I made my first
 visit to Riv today. I walked into the showroom, and there is Grant sitting
 at a table in the middle of the room having an intense discussion with a
 Frenchish sorta man who I presume to be Yves Gomez. Unfortunately Grant
 wasn't available to chitchat, but Mark and Brian invited me in for coffee
 and to talk shop. What a great bunch!

 Brian gave me some instruction about where to camp in the Diablo
 foothills nearby. Surely I bungled his directions, but I think I found a
 pretty good spot on the top of a big hill. The view is nice, but the sun
 just set, and it's getting chilly. I guess I'll set up my tent.

 Happy new year everybody!

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[RBW] Re: First RBW visit

2012-12-31 Thread Michael


 Where are the pics?


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Appaloosa

2012-12-31 Thread Michael


 It don't look like no chopper...but sounds like a fast cruiser-ish bike...

If it turns out to be a chopper, Nitto is gonna have to make some chain 
link handlebars, and fast!
Brooks is gonna have to make a leather banana seat, with sissy bar, like 
yesterday!
Velocity is gonna have to put out a Synergy rim with 130 chromed spokes, on 
the double!

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Re: [RBW] New Year's Day ride up Mt Diablo

2012-12-31 Thread Dan McNamara
Does not look like I will be able to do it. Went out this afternoon and there 
is no way the ankle is ready for a run up Diablo. Too bad - Manny's proposed 
route goes right through where I grew up and was riding old Schwinn bikes down 
trails at high speed in the '70's. 

Maybe next year. Seems like a good annual event. 

Looking forward to pictures and stories. 

Dan


On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought I'd start a thread for this ride, which was mentioned in another 
 thread. The plan is to meet at Pleasant Hill BART at 9:30 am: 
 http://tinyurl.com/bvt86we
 
 It looks like the trails will be able to dry out a bit before then. There 
 should be enough locals on this ride to take different routes to the top and 
 back again.
 
 Cheers
 jim m
 wc ca
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