Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
+1 - It would be great to see a budget Atlantis/Allrounder. But in a way, Surly have that covered with the LHT and it has choice of the mainstream 26 or 700 wheel sizes. The 26 LHT in the larger sizes looks fabulous built up (and could be built around 650b conceivably). Surly have such a high sales volume on the LHT so there is economy of scale there. Thorn Cycles in the UK have the Sherpa which makes a fabulous value for money 26 wheel tourer/allrounder too - and nicely finished. But no comparison to Rivendell in terms of finish. I'm very pleased with my Riv LL - the workmanship is something to behold. Is it really possible to build Riv quality at a low price? On Friday, February 22, 2013 10:42:28 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: A full bike that is Atlantis-like in capability and lugged selling for around $1500 would be the absolute best deal for sale in bikes. It would be like the LHT but better. -Original Message- From: Peter Morgano Sent: Feb 22, 2013 9:28 PM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon? With a powder coat, no head badge and using existing lug designs I bet you could sell a Taiwan frame at around the 600-700 dollar price range. With a budget build you could have a whole bike brand new for under 1,500, although I know the talk was about coming in around 1k. On Feb 22, 2013 11:28 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: wrote: how about something like a Sam that fits 50mm tires with Canti brakes? Seems like that would get a lot of interest. Kind of a low cost Hunqapillar. We all want to run the big tires like the new Big Bens and others. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] New look on Quickbeam - Gripsters and TrunkSacks
I don't know how you can stand living there :-) Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: It's been raining hard today here in Honolulu with flash flood warnings and everything. Of course I was out in it on my Hunqapillar getting soaked as met up with a friend for breakfast. Coming home wet as a drowned rat I was pleased to see a shipment from RBW. I completely forgot about the weather. :-) I've been continuing to play around with my Quickbeam now that the Hunqapillar has become the bike I used for carrying stuff around. Because of all the rain we've been having I decided to switch to Gripsters and away from Grip Kings (love both, keeping the GKs for other uses). I also decided that since I have an Acorn saddlebag and a handlebar bag they should both go on the same bike. I've also always like trunk bags but since I've got a basket on the Hunq (moved from the QB) it can't take one right now. But...I was pretty sure my QB would look great with a matched set of Sackville TrunkSacks so with a little extra cash (is there ever such a thing as 'extra cash?') I picked up new pedals and matching TrunkSacks. I'd thought about the Nigel Smythes but as I have a Sackville huge saddle bag...well bag matching may not be my thing all the time but... http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8499061402/ It's not a great picture and I'm not taking the bike out as I'm off to Maui with my Bike Friday in about 2 hours - I'll be riding down Haleakala on Sunday. It's also raining hard and until I put a little Obenauf's on the leather I'm going to keep the Sackville's out of the rain. Anyway it's the look I was going for so...happy trails all! BTW - for those who might have wondered how the voting is going on which bike I should ride April's Haleiwa Metric Century (http://statrix.com/whichbike.htm), right now it's the Quickbeam: Bike Friday: 10 Quickbeam: 15 Hunqapillar: 12 Aloha all! Bob -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
On Friday, February 22, 2013 2:15:54 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The problem with budget Rivs is that they tend to evolve quickly in the fancy direction, and the budget-ness fades quickly. The Hunq was supposed to be the budget model a couple years back. Now it's $2k. Yes, I've followed Riv since 1999 and it seems that's the way most frames have gone. I don't know anything of the economics of frames, but surely there is a way to make a less costly frame, it's all a matter of their focus to really do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: new photos of Sam sporting center pull brakes
quite simply, there ain't nothing past lockup. I've been on my Weinmann center pulls for 38 years in the TX hills, and my Rigida rims against them for 35. While I have a spare wheelset, I don't have to - the original rims are in great shape. With kool stop pads, I can lock them up, but it takes a decided effort. My daughter has Tektro V-brakes and she locks them up all the time. So if you like leaving black marks on the pavement... There is a lot of grass on the internet about flutter in long-reach Tektro sidepulls. I like having the option of the centerpulls. On Friday, February 22, 2013 2:14:45 PM UTC-6, Ryan Ray wrote: Same stopping power? I wonder if they would increase the clearance of a Ram. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: new photos of Sam sporting center pull brakes
I notice Grant's Atlantis on the staff bike page has V-brakes. I'm not surprised. I run XTs on my trail bike. They are way nicer than the sidepulls on my other bikes. Will On Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:56:08 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: quite simply, there ain't nothing past lockup. I've been on my Weinmann center pulls for 38 years in the TX hills, and my Rigida rims against them for 35. While I have a spare wheelset, I don't have to - the original rims are in great shape. With kool stop pads, I can lock them up, but it takes a decided effort. My daughter has Tektro V-brakes and she locks them up all the time. So if you like leaving black marks on the pavement... There is a lot of grass on the internet about flutter in long-reach Tektro sidepulls. I like having the option of the centerpulls. On Friday, February 22, 2013 2:14:45 PM UTC-6, Ryan Ray wrote: Same stopping power? I wonder if they would increase the clearance of a Ram. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Materials, labor and transportation costs plus the profit margin added equals the price you pay. Rivs like the Romulus were killer deals but for one reason or another, could not be maintained. Rivs have good paint jobs and you could shave money there by doing something skimpy. Rivs use good quality tubing, and again you could skimp there. Riv could buy in mega volumes which would save per unit costs. As it happens, it wouldn't reflect the Riv ethos with micro thin paint or clunky tubes or robo-welded joints. The limited market for this type of bike (lugged steel, built for comfort and usefulness) prevents Schwinn-like mass production so no savings there. A used riv is your best option for lower price, probably. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: .. surely there is a way to make a less costly frame, it's all a matter of their focus to really do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
On Sat, 2013-02-23 at 08:52 -0600, Bruce Herbitter wrote: Materials, labor and transportation costs plus the profit margin added equals the price you pay. Rivs like the Romulus were killer deals but for one reason or another, could not be maintained. Rivs have good paint jobs and you could shave money there by doing something skimpy. Rivs use good quality tubing, and again you could skimp there. Riv could buy in mega volumes which would save per unit costs. As it happens, it wouldn't reflect the Riv ethos with micro thin paint or clunky tubes or robo-welded joints. The limited market for this type of bike (lugged steel, built for comfort and usefulness) prevents Schwinn-like mass production so no savings there. The real shame is that nobody seems able to deal with the huge price penalty we pay for componentry when building up such frames. You could almost come out a head by buying a complete LHT, stripping off the components and throwing the frame away, and that's just plain wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: LOST Robert! Smallest Wood Sasquatch !
Hope you find him. Your insert panda shots just won't be the same. On Feb 22, 5:14 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Manny: In think the forces of nature are at work here, and Robert has returned to live in the mountains. dougP On Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:16:57 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote: For those that don't know on my last summer tour back from Seattle, I picked up my token todem wood carved Sasquatch from Knot Only A Bear in Oregon. I called him Robert after his maker. http://flic.kr/p/cS3Qws Let me start from the beginning.. So Sean asked if I wanted to go on a bike/hike up to Rock City. I stopped by RivHQ to talk to the weekday folks. Got to talk to Jared and his buddy Benedict about their recent 4 day adventure down the coast. Saw some cool pictures of Jared doing some sweet jumps from his trip. Sean comes by and talks about snow on top of Diablo. Convinces me to ride up with him, Benedict joins us on his new 4 day old blue Hillborne (already looks well loved.) We get past the Junction and see no snow so we decided to ride down taking the dirt along the way. Benedict proves to be a super strong rider, ended up riding up the trail that Sean and me dubbed the famous Jay turn. Legend goes that only Jay Ritchey was the only one able to ride the turn and up the loose gravely without putting the foot down. Well after three tries and a broken front derailler, Benedict kills it. We take Stage road back and this is where I think I lost Robert. It was muddy and wet so a couple of hard drops could have dislogded him out of his zip-tided home. If anyone finds him sent him over to Rivendell HQ, they know how to get a hold of me. Pictures proved that Robert is somewhere along this trail. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjE59AG3 -Manny Mt.Diablo has him now... Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: new photos of Sam sporting center pull brakes
I don't find the difference in stopping power, only lever feel. The long tektros result on more squish at the lever for me, even though the centerpulls technically have more parts and joints to impart play. I've never had a bike not stop due to brake system choice. But I dont ride in technical or demanding (loaded touring descents down mountain passes) conditions either. So YMMV. The current iteration of my Sam is a pure country bike with alba bars. The tektro sidepulls work fine in that config. Pete in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
James Warren wrote: I know my bro-in-law would buy such a bike if the available size was as large as 64 cm with 6 degree top tube. He couldn't do the $3000 that the Bombadil got to, and the 64 cm Sam didn't have the dirt tire capability he was after. James, you should point your brother in law to Black Mountain Cycles. Mike Varley's Monster Cross comes in a 62 and a 65cm, with a sloping top tube, but not a 6 degree slope. It's $600 for the frame and fork, and was designed for 700x45mm tires. Maybe it's still too small for him http://www.blackmtncycles.com/p/black-mountain-cycles-frames.html On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:11:32 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote: I know my bro-in-law would buy such a bike if the available size was as large as 64 cm with 6 degree top tube. He couldn't do the $3000 that the Bombadil got to, and the 64 cm Sam didn't have the dirt tire capability he was after. -Original Message- From: Mike Schiller Sent: Feb 22, 2013 8:28 PM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon? how about something like a Sam that fits 50mm tires with Canti brakes? Seems like that would get a lot of interest. Kind of a low cost Hunqapillar. We all want to run the big tires like the new Big Bens and others. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
It wouldn't make sense to make any Riv that doesn't have lugs or a nice paint job,although a single color paint is probably OK with most. The 1st Sam's were single color except a few accents on the fork crown. There are some shops that do pretty good job powder coating lugged bikes. That could save some coin Price wise, something in the $1000 to $1300 price range would be reasonable for a Riv bike even a budget one. If you want to spend less there are other options with tig welds. Just make sure it fits those big tires! ~mike On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Armchair CEO time. Where does the SOMA San Marcos come into the discussion? It's lugged, presumably good tubes and quality paint. Costs around ~$800 on the street, $949 MSRP. There's your budget Riv for road/country folk. If that bike can retail for $800, a fat-tired version could be too. I think that's what Jim (and I) would like. A Taiwanese lugged Atlantis type bike but w/ sloping top tube wouldn't cost that much more. Other than eating into Hilly and possibly 'Lantis sales, seems like it would be a great bike for SOMA to offer. The BMC bikes look fantastic, but like Surly/Gunnar/SOMA (minus SM), they are not lugged. I think there's a market for budget Taiwanese lugged bikes like the Romulus, Bleriot and San Marcos. But I haven't purchased a new bike since 2001, so maybe I'm not the one that should be espousing on this... :-) On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: It wouldn't make sense to make any Riv that doesn't have lugs or a nice paint job,although a single color paint is probably OK with most. The 1st Sam's were single color except a few accents on the fork crown. There are some shops that do pretty good job powder coating lugged bikes. That could save some coin Price wise, something in the $1000 to $1300 price range would be reasonable for a Riv bike even a budget one. If you want to spend less there are other options with tig welds. Just make sure it fits those big tires! ~mike On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: Brooks Swallow
Brooks Swallow for sale. Chrome rails, honey color, excellent condition, $115 shipped CONUS. Although it is lighter and more elegantly styled, and it actually works fairly well for me, I decided I prefer the feel of the B17 shape. Photos here... http://pawndero.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/brooks-swallow/ As usual, please reply offline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Maybe Riv will save money by building the bike out of cardboard. This guy says that he can make a cardboard bike for $9 to $12. http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/11/cardboard-bicycles On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] New look on Quickbeam - Gripsters and TrunkSacks
Someone has to do it. It's rough but I'm willing to take the hit so other folks can live in better places. :-) Aloha from Bob (who is gong to ride down Haleakala tomorrow - because someone has to do it.) Bob -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI statrix.com On Saturday, February 23, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Robert Zeidler wrote: I don't know how you can stand living there :-) Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com (mailto:rfharri...@gmail.com) wrote: It's been raining hard today here in Honolulu with flash flood warnings and everything. Of course I was out in it on my Hunqapillar getting soaked as met up with a friend for breakfast. Coming home wet as a drowned rat I was pleased to see a shipment from RBW. I completely forgot about the weather. :-) I've been continuing to play around with my Quickbeam now that the Hunqapillar has become the bike I used for carrying stuff around. Because of all the rain we've been having I decided to switch to Gripsters and away from Grip Kings (love both, keeping the GKs for other uses). I also decided that since I have an Acorn saddlebag and a handlebar bag they should both go on the same bike. I've also always like trunk bags but since I've got a basket on the Hunq (moved from the QB) it can't take one right now. But...I was pretty sure my QB would look great with a matched set of Sackville TrunkSacks so with a little extra cash (is there ever such a thing as 'extra cash?') I picked up new pedals and matching TrunkSacks. I'd thought about the Nigel Smythes but as I have a Sackville huge saddle bag...well bag matching may not be my thing all the time but... http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8499061402/ It's not a great picture and I'm not taking the bike out as I'm off to Maui with my Bike Friday in about 2 hours - I'll be riding down Haleakala on Sunday. It's also raining hard and until I put a little Obenauf's on the leather I'm going to keep the Sackville's out of the rain. Anyway it's the look I was going for so...happy trails all! BTW - for those who might have wondered how the voting is going on which bike I should ride April's Haleiwa Metric Century (http://statrix.com/whichbike.htm), right now it's the Quickbeam: Bike Friday: 10 Quickbeam: 15 Hunqapillar: 12 Aloha all! Bob -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com (mailto:rfharri...@gmail.com) statrix.com (http://statrix.com) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com (mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com). Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com (mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com). Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Good observation Steve On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: The real shame is that nobody seems able to deal with the huge price penalty we pay for componentry when building up such frames. You could almost come out a head by buying a complete LHT, stripping off the components and throwing the frame away, and that's just plain wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Is a thread-on drum brake even an option on a new tandem these days? I was looking for an Arai drum a few years ago, and it didn't seem to exist anymore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
I have a Surly LHT and love it. It's very Rivish in its set-up with 48cm Noodles, Silver shifters, Sugino cranks, VP pedals, Schwalbe 40mm Marathons and a Brooks saddle. It's a versatile bike and has a rides nicely. I say make your own budget Riv by purchasing an LHT or Soma Saga and setting it up with components from RBW. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/6770988421/in/set-72157627290908300 --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] New look on Quickbeam - Gripsters and TrunkSacks
I've done that ride! Really amazing, but a little dangerous in a group, especially with freezing rain / sleet like it was at the top when my wife and I coasted down. Novice riders on questionable bikes with marginal brakes make for a white knuckle experience. Would I do it again? Absolutely, but on a Rivendell next time please! (My QB would be perfect!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS 54cm Ram frame + fork
I think it is time to part with my Rambouillet. Frame/ Fork/ Headset for sale. 54cm toyo built blue. 9.5 of 10 cosmetic. $1000 shipped pics here: http://tinyurl.com/bdutmjv* *Stand over height is 79cm - fits a 700x32c with fenders / 700x35c (with room) without. Quick/nimble and stable. I am open to questions / etc. I may have some extras for sale if interested. Please reply off-list Thanks Jason - SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] New look on Quickbeam - Gripsters and TrunkSacks
Hawaii is a place I'd like to see sometime. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
I'd like to see whatever they do fully lugged with an option for head tube cream paint, for those of us who would be willing to pay a smidge more for the bling. Nice Riv fork bends would be cool. Not like the straighter Marcos fork. But like a typical Riv fork. Maybe these take it outta da budget price though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS: Blue 60 cm Ramboullet in So Cal
Considering this and would welcome some advice/feedback. I've been corresponding with the seller. He's the original owner, has put about 10k miles on it. Components all look original. Seems well cared for, but I'm relying on photos and info, as I'm not in LA (though my brother is and could inspect/buy it for me). I'm interested in this as an upgrade from my Romulus, which I would then sell after transferring the handlebars, saddle, and Cypres tires. I like my Rom a lot but the fancier details, extra water bottle bosses, and deep blue of the Ram have always appealed to me. (I'm aware that the Rom was the budget version of the Ram, essentially.) Thoughts? On Friday, February 22, 2013 11:55:56 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: Not mine (just noticed on LA CL): http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/3626995902.html Nicely spec'd nicely priced. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
Had a ride planned with another rider things just come up. I just had to get out and ride on such a beautiful day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157632838897525/ Hugh Sunland, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Blue 60 cm Ramboullet in So Cal
I think you pretty much nailed all the considerations. It's a fancier version of the bike you have. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you know it. If the fit is spot on, then the price is really good. You could re-sell your Rom and recoup most of it from that. MA2 rims which people like a lot. Good basic 105 components (similar to what were on the Romulus). Factor in $100 to ship back to the East Coast. I think you could get $900 for the Rom in good condition, so you're looking at $400 for fancier bike. See if the seller will go down. Again, focus on fit. If it's your size, go for it. If it's not, then pass. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:19 PM, KTY kol...@gmail.com wrote: Considering this and would welcome some advice/feedback. I've been corresponding with the seller. He's the original owner, has put about 10k miles on it. Components all look original. Seems well cared for, but I'm relying on photos and info, as I'm not in LA (though my brother is and could inspect/buy it for me). I'm interested in this as an upgrade from my Romulus, which I would then sell after transferring the handlebars, saddle, and Cypres tires. I like my Rom a lot but the fancier details, extra water bottle bosses, and deep blue of the Ram have always appealed to me. (I'm aware that the Rom was the budget version of the Ram, essentially.) Thoughts? On Friday, February 22, 2013 11:55:56 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: Not mine (just noticed on LA CL): http://losangeles.craigslist.**org/sfv/bik/3626995902.htmlhttp://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/3626995902.html Nicely spec'd nicely priced. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
Was just looking at those on the flickr. Looks like a nice SoCal ride if there ever was one! On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:35 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Had a ride planned with another rider things just come up. I just had to get out and ride on such a beautiful day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157632838897525/ Hugh Sunland, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Blue 60 cm Ramboullet in So Cal
Thanks David. I'm thinking the same. The fit would be right--my Rom is a 59. How much more life do you think those components have in them? Was hoping I might get a little more for the Rom here in NYC. Still would be taking a loss--I overpaid by 40%. Ouch. That's how you learn, I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Blue 60 cm Ramboullet in So Cal
105 is decent stuff, and Southern California is a pretty easy environment with no rain. My Atlantis has a 105 front hub that came with it 10 years ago no worries yet. Other stuff, kinda depends on how hard it was beat but at 10k miles my guess is plenty of life left. dougP On Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:51:33 PM UTC-8, KTY wrote: Thanks David. I'm thinking the same. The fit would be right--my Rom is a 59. How much more life do you think those components have in them? Was hoping I might get a little more for the Rom here in NYC. Still would be taking a loss--I overpaid by 40%. Ouch. That's how you learn, I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Blue 60 cm Ramboullet in So Cal
If you can get more for your Rom, then it's a no-brainer!!! :-) No idea what the NYC Riv market is, but if you could sell closer to $1200, then yeah, whatcha' waiting for? The mileage appears to be from non-coastal Southern California riding, so the components should have a lot of life left. You also have the luxury of mixing and matching parts between the two bikes to build it up just as you like. Hope it works out! On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:51 PM, KTY kol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks David. I'm thinking the same. The fit would be right--my Rom is a 59. How much more life do you think those components have in them? Was hoping I might get a little more for the Rom here in NYC. Still would be taking a loss--I overpaid by 40%. Ouch. That's how you learn, I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
Thanks for the photos. It was too nice a day to not ride. We took the Atlantii met a small group for a ride around OC, and one gal had a beautiful 650b Ramboullet. So 3 Rivs out of a group of 9. dougP On Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:35:19 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Had a ride planned with another rider things just come up. I just had to get out and ride on such a beautiful day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157632838897525/ Hugh Sunland, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
Hi Doug, That's great.I have yet to roll with other Rivs. Love to see some pics of your roll about. Regards, Hugh Sunland, CA On Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10:12 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: Thanks for the photos. It was too nice a day to not ride. We took the Atlantii met a small group for a ride around OC, and one gal had a beautiful 650b Ramboullet. So 3 Rivs out of a group of 9. dougP On Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:35:19 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Had a ride planned with another rider things just come up. I just had to get out and ride on such a beautiful day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157632838897525/ Hugh Sunland, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
And to make it a sunny SoCal trifecta, I'll add in that I had an unplanned fantastic ride. Just hopped on the bike and headed uphill. A few short hours later I'm in snow-country! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8501214369/in/photostream Felt great, so took the long way home. What a great day! On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:10 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Thanks for the photos. It was too nice a day to not ride. We took the Atlantii met a small group for a ride around OC, and one gal had a beautiful 650b Ramboullet. So 3 Rivs out of a group of 9. dougP On Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:35:19 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Had a ride planned with another rider things just come up. I just had to get out and ride on such a beautiful day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/**pedalpusher61/sets/**72157632838897525/http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157632838897525/ Hugh Sunland, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: OT Bunyan Velo
Wow! Impressive magazine! Congratulations, Jim, for your contribution to it. (I, for one, liked the bosque article by Nicholas Carman. Impressionistic and scattered, yes, but poetic, too.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
