Re: [RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[cyclotourist]

With your Stan's filled tubes, does the latex fluid stay fluidish, or does
it dry out like what happens in tires? I've thought about doing that, but
don't know if i have to keep recharging w/ fresh fluid like I do tires.

TIA


On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM, jinxed  wrote:

> I know for sure the moto lites would work, but unless I strike out with
> the Oryx they would be a last resort. I dont want to convert the levers,
> nor spend the crazy jingle for them. Happy to hear the Hetres are an
> option! I wish the folding Rumpkins were still around...the belted ones got
> pretty heavy, and Ive yet to use any belted tire that held up to the
> goatheads here. I use home made stans filled tubes in everything with
> really good results.
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:39:16 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> Another brake alternative, since you have Pauls on there, is to go with
>> the Paul Motolites, then slide the pads higher up the arm.
>>
>> Crown, bridge, and stays are fine, since you're ruling out fenders.
>> Hetres should be close enough to the Rumpkins;  my Hetres measure at 41, my
>> Rumpkins at 40...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Right. The tire qualities may be different, but the geometry won't necessarily 
be wacky with the "bigger" wheels.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[PATRICK MOORE]

The quality of the tire can make a huge difference. A 559X60 Big Apple is
almost as big as a 622X23 but the two ride much different.

AFAICT, the only reason to convert a 26" wheeled bike to 650B is for the
sake of a nice road type tire that you can't find in 559.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
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> There's no reason a 650B with skinny 38-42 mm tires should ride much
> different than a 559 with 2.1" tires because the overall wheel size is
> about the same.
>
> Mongo and I have done numerous 26to650 conversions. Everything from a 1983
> Stumpjumper to a 2007 Santa Cruz Heckler.
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[RBW] Snow & Sun

[Brian Hanson]

This morning I got up to snow, so I made the best of it and took the wooly
mammoth bike to work.  On the way home, it was sunny, so I took some pics.
 Nice spring in Seattle.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEruWhz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

There's no reason a 650B with skinny 38-42 mm tires should ride much different 
than a 559 with 2.1" tires because the overall wheel size is about the same.

Mongo and I have done numerous 26to650 conversions. Everything from a 1983 
Stumpjumper to a 2007 Santa Cruz Heckler.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[IanA]

Thanks for the update.  It would be great to learn of your impressions of 
this bicycle compared to the LHT and your other Riv's (past and present) 
 once you've had time to try it out for a few longer rides on the Marathon 
Racers.  

On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:38:25 PM UTC-6, EricP wrote:
>
> Michael, no it doesn't seem to create any extra stress.  The drivetrain 
> had been on another bike before this, and I've used the concept in the 
> past.  
>
> Ian, it wasn't that I wasn't taken with the first Hillborne.  Had it for a 
> few years, actually.  More like it was too small and the present bikes are 
> considerably different than the ones back then.  Plus, haven't owned a 
> brake that takes sidepulls in 30 years.  Oh, and can't discount the allure 
> of two top tubes.  Or the significant birthday coming up this year factor.
>
> Edwin, yes, they are similar.  I don't have the second chainring.  But 
> have thought about a setup like your.
>  
> Did get out on a ride today.  My longest of the year so far.  Okay, it was 
> a mere 24 miles, Took it over to Hiawatha Cyclery.  Nothing fell off the 
> bike or made an odd grinding sound, so it should work okay.  Glad I had the 
> studded tires on, but they are getting to be a chore.  Hoping to put the 
> Schwalbe Marathon Racers on soon.
>  
> Link to pics to prove I rode today - 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8581250340/in/photostream
>  
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Edwin W 
> > wrote:
>
>> Very similar to my new 
>> ride, 
>>> in terms of set up:
>>> I have 1x8 going, with the option to go 2x8 (if I add a front derailer 
>>> or shift with my finger/stick/toe)
>>> I have albas instead of your more flat bars.
>>>  
>>>
>> I'm loving it so far.
>> Edwin 
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Re: [RBW] are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 17:57 -0700, René Sterental wrote:
> I'll be trying out the 50mm Big Ben and the 43mm Rock'n'Roads this
> weekend. Is there any hope of a 700c 42mm Hetre? 

According to Jan, no.



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[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Maybe helpful to tap first:
http://sheldonbrown.com/velos.html#pedal

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Re: [RBW] are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[René Sterental]

I'll be trying out the 50mm Big Ben and the 43mm Rock'n'Roads this weekend.
Is there any hope of a 700c 42mm Hetre?


On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> Although not high tpi, I have enjoyed the big Resist Nomads. They measure
> out a little over 40 on Velocity Synergy rims. They leave a little to be
> desired in the finish department (nowhere near as good as Panaracer tires)
> but the price is right, they are plush and feel quick. No flats in over
> 1000 miles. There is a little review in the Ocean Air Cycles blog somewhere.
>
> Dan
>
> -Marin
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Michael Williams <
> mkernanwilli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher
>> tpi( 120).   Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size.
>> But Im prolly just be dreaming.  I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of
>> tires in that size range,  and I like those tires,   but they've always
>> felt a bit sluggish to me.   thanks in advance.  -Mike
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[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm..I like this idea..

On Friday, March 22, 2013 8:24:42 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> Just grease up your non-French pedals, and thread them in with a long 
> wrench. Problem solved.

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[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Great looking poster. I've got just the place for it. 
--Smitty

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Jeez, I love this one.
> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Eric Platt]

Michael, no it doesn't seem to create any extra stress.  The drivetrain had
been on another bike before this, and I've used the concept in the past.

Ian, it wasn't that I wasn't taken with the first Hillborne.  Had it for a
few years, actually.  More like it was too small and the present bikes are
considerably different than the ones back then.  Plus, haven't owned a
brake that takes sidepulls in 30 years.  Oh, and can't discount the allure
of two top tubes.  Or the significant birthday coming up this year factor.

Edwin, yes, they are similar.  I don't have the second chainring.  But have
thought about a setup like your.

Did get out on a ride today.  My longest of the year so far.  Okay, it was
a mere 24 miles, Took it over to Hiawatha Cyclery.  Nothing fell off the
bike or made an odd grinding sound, so it should work okay.  Glad I had the
studded tires on, but they are getting to be a chore.  Hoping to put the
Schwalbe Marathon Racers on soon.

Link to pics to prove I rode today -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8581250340/in/photostream

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> Very similar to my new 
> ride,
>> in terms of set up:
>> I have 1x8 going, with the option to go 2x8 (if I add a front derailer or
>> shift with my finger/stick/toe)
>> I have albas instead of your more flat bars.
>>
>>
> I'm loving it so far.
> Edwin
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[PATRICK MOORE]

I think the reason is to get better tire choices which, in this case, I
guess means better road tire choices (since 559 has all sorts of good off
road rubber).

As to Jan's presumed proof, he found that for his riders, bigger (forget to
what point, I doubt to 29" size) didn't require more effort over road-side
rumblestrips. Hardly a universal conclusion. I find that fat, 700c tires
certainly roll better over sand and low amplitude, high frequency bumps
compared to 559 equivalents.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> I always get why people size down from 27 to 700c, 700c to 650b: more
>> clearance, bigger, softer tires, it is a Bob/Riv thing.
>> Why go up in size? Different tire choices?
>> I thought Jan Heine taught us all that we don't get any advantage from a
>> slightly bigger circumference tire in terms of rolling over objects, speed,
>> etc...
>>
>>
> Edwin "never done a conversion myself, but want to hear more"
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[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Ryan]

if you zoom over the bottom bracket, it appears as if Curt Goodrich was the 
builder
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:19:56 PM UTC-5, rcnute wrote: 
>
> How cool is this?  
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item257c06bb2f
>  
>
> Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance...
>
> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?

[William]

That's where Adam and Jamie (mythbusters) would say "Now, *there's* your 
problem!"

On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:12:29 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:20:19 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:
>>
>> So you weren't seriously injured when you broke your cranks?
>>
>
> No.  I actually (generally) fall pretty well.  Hit the ground on the old 
> Campy one (was climbing, out of saddle when it happened, and luckily was 
> not run over).
>
> http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=226
>
> On the newer one, it was on the Hilsen, and I would argue that the reason 
> I didn't hit the ground had a lot to do with the inherent stability of GP's 
> designs.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157622446951852/
>
> - J
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Edwin W]

>
> Very similar to my new 
> ride, 
> in terms of set up:
> I have 1x8 going, with the option to go 2x8 (if I add a front derailer or 
> shift with my finger/stick/toe)
> I have albas instead of your more flat bars.
>  
>
I'm loving it so far.
Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[Edwin W]

>
> I always get why people size down from 27 to 700c, 700c to 650b: more 
> clearance, bigger, softer tires, it is a Bob/Riv thing.
> Why go up in size? Different tire choices?
> I thought Jan Heine taught us all that we don't get any advantage from a 
> slightly bigger circumference tire in terms of rolling over objects, speed, 
> etc...
>  
>
Edwin "never done a conversion myself, but want to hear more"  

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Re: [RBW] WTT: My Nitto R14 Top Rack for your Mark's Rack

[Dan McNamara]

I'd be in for that trade.

Dan



On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM, David Sprunger  wrote:

> As the subject line indicates, I'm wondering if any one would like to
> trade my Nitto R14 Top Rack for a Mark's rack.
>
> I have been using the top rack on the front of my 60 cm Bombadil, so the
> struts are still long. As part of a waiting-for-spring project, I have
> switched to a Nitto mini/platrack set up instead. I'd like the Mark's rack
> for my wife's Glorius.
>
> You can see the top rack at this link although it is somewhat obscured by
> a big loafer:
> http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/bombadil/
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>
> Thanks,
> David Sprunger
> Fargo, ND
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[RBW] Re: FS: Deore LX Rapidrise Rear Derailleur & Nitto Dirt Drop 26.0, 8cm stem

[tdusky]

Derailleur sold

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:40:52 PM UTC-4, tdusky wrote:
>
> Deore LX Rapidrise rear derailleur was used about 3 years cleaned and 
> working well, $20 shipping included.
> Nitto Dirt Drop 26.0, 8cm stem gently used. $40 shipped.
> Both $55 shipped
> Photos at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8579309514/in/photostream/
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[RBW] WTT: My Nitto R14 Top Rack for your Mark's Rack

[David Sprunger]

As the subject line indicates, I'm wondering if any one would like to trade
my Nitto R14 Top Rack for a Mark's rack.

I have been using the top rack on the front of my 60 cm Bombadil, so the
struts are still long. As part of a waiting-for-spring project, I have
switched to a Nitto mini/platrack set up instead. I'd like the Mark's rack
for my wife's Glorius.

You can see the top rack at this link although it is somewhat obscured by a
big loafer:
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/bombadil/


Thanks,
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Fargo, ND

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Re: [RBW] Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[Montclair BobbyB]

I've converted a 26in Salsa Ala Carte to 650B, and it worked great, mainly 
because there was an abundance of frame clearance and it used disc brakes. 

I HAVE had canti brakes that seemed to have a higher reach than others; 
whether it had 1.25cm more reach I wonder.  This is certainly encouraging 
to see.  Nice job!

BB

On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:12:34 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>
>
> YES!! His bike was a big inspiration! The benefit is, Ive ridden 650b and 
> I know I like it and to me it felt more efficient on the road. If my AR 
> converts well, gravy...but if not, no biggie.
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:04:07 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> Ron Lau did this conversion back during the first wave of 650b 
>> conversions about 5 years ago.  He was very enthusiastic about the outcome, 
>> which I paid attention to due to having a 1996 A/R with 26ers.  At the time 
>> I was a little unhappy with it, but putting my favorite saddle on that bike 
>> and Pasela 26 x 1.25s made me happy enough that I never pursued the 
>> conversion.  I think mine would fit 650b x 38s with fenders...
>>
>> The other reason I did not pursue the conversion was the very low-rake 
>> fork and concerns about ending up with huge trail, but from Ron's ride 
>> reports this wasn't very noticeably different.
>>
>> I think that Ron's bike is still on the 650B conversion site.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[jinxed]

YES!! His bike was a big inspiration! The benefit is, Ive ridden 650b and I 
know I like it and to me it felt more efficient on the road. If my AR 
converts well, gravy...but if not, no biggie.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:04:07 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> Ron Lau did this conversion back during the first wave of 650b conversions 
> about 5 years ago.  He was very enthusiastic about the outcome, which I 
> paid attention to due to having a 1996 A/R with 26ers.  At the time I was a 
> little unhappy with it, but putting my favorite saddle on that bike and 
> Pasela 26 x 1.25s made me happy enough that I never pursued the conversion. 
>  I think mine would fit 650b x 38s with fenders...
>
> The other reason I did not pursue the conversion was the very low-rake 
> fork and concerns about ending up with huge trail, but from Ron's ride 
> reports this wasn't very noticeably different.
>
> I think that Ron's bike is still on the 650B conversion site.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne featured in Bike Winter Fashion Show (Chicago, March 15, 2013)

[Montclair BobbyB]

Great stuff!!

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> Shameless self promotion: It's mine.
>
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>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Tell us how it rides with the larger wheels -- and please post photos of
the brakes.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM, jinxed  wrote:

> There have been several successful 26 > 650b conversions with a few
> different canti variants. In talking with people about this conversion Ive
> been told it wont work for several reasons. Brakes wont fit. Bottom Bracket
> will be too high. You wont be able to run anything wider than a 32. The
> whole bike will explode if you tough a 650b wheel to it.
>
> It's fun to experiment, nothing is permanent, and I'll miss every ball I
> dont swing at.
>
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40:28 PM UTC-6, franklyn wrote:
>>
>> Wow,
>>
>> I am really surprised that cantilever brakes would work given that the
>> bike was originally intended for 26" wheels, and the brakes need to make up
>> for 12.5mm of difference in rim radius (559 to 584mm). If you can get a
>> photo with the new brakes on the rim that'd be great.
>>
>> franklyn
>>
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[RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[jinxed]

There have been several successful 26 > 650b conversions with a few 
different canti variants. In talking with people about this conversion Ive 
been told it wont work for several reasons. Brakes wont fit. Bottom Bracket 
will be too high. You wont be able to run anything wider than a 32. The 
whole bike will explode if you tough a 650b wheel to it.

It's fun to experiment, nothing is permanent, and I'll miss every ball I 
dont swing at.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40:28 PM UTC-6, franklyn wrote:
>
> Wow,
>
> I am really surprised that cantilever brakes would work given that the 
> bike was originally intended for 26" wheels, and the brakes need to make up 
> for 12.5mm of difference in rim radius (559 to 584mm). If you can get a 
> photo with the new brakes on the rim that'd be great.
>
> franklyn
>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[Tim McNamara]

Ron Lau did this conversion back during the first wave of 650b conversions 
about 5 years ago.  He was very enthusiastic about the outcome, which I paid 
attention to due to having a 1996 A/R with 26ers.  At the time I was a little 
unhappy with it, but putting my favorite saddle on that bike and Pasela 26 x 
1.25s made me happy enough that I never pursued the conversion.  I think mine 
would fit 650b x 38s with fenders...

The other reason I did not pursue the conversion was the very low-rake fork and 
concerns about ending up with huge trail, but from Ron's ride reports this 
wasn't very noticeably different.

I think that Ron's bike is still on the 650B conversion site.



On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:26 PM, jinxed  wrote:

> I've thought about it several times but never followed up until now!
> 
> Every time my buddy and I get together we make mention of throwing his 650b 
> wheelset in my AR to see what we see. Well I finally just called him up and 
> told him I was coming over.
> 
> I took my set of Fatty Rumpkin tires that I loved but had been hanging in the 
> garage without a bike to fit. We mounted them up and got our test fit on.
> 
> I have to say...I got SUPER excited about this. I rode my Bleriot all over 
> the place shod with these FR's and they felt darn good in both rough dirt and 
> smooth trails. It was my first and best foray into the 650b thing.
> 
> Brakes will be a non issue. We checked an old set of Shimano cantis that 
> would be just fine, though the Tektro Oryx will be a little cleaner and 
> should set up jst fine! Considering I never have need to run fenders, I'm 
> left with oodles of clearance on the 42mm Rumpkins, and I'm a little giddy 
> that I could even try some some Hetres!
> 
> Take a look...I think she looks natural wearing 650b no?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[jinxed]

I know for sure the moto lites would work, but unless I strike out with the 
Oryx they would be a last resort. I dont want to convert the levers, nor 
spend the crazy jingle for them. Happy to hear the Hetres are an option! I 
wish the folding Rumpkins were still around...the belted ones got pretty 
heavy, and Ive yet to use any belted tire that held up to the goatheads 
here. I use home made stans filled tubes in everything with really good 
results.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:39:16 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>
> Another brake alternative, since you have Pauls on there, is to go with 
> the Paul Motolites, then slide the pads higher up the arm.  
>
> Crown, bridge, and stays are fine, since you're ruling out fenders.   
> Hetres should be close enough to the Rumpkins;  my Hetres measure at 41, my 
> Rumpkins at 40...
>
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Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins

[Dan Abelson]

I agree with Jim that vertical drop outs are preferable for geared bikes.
Though for me it is not a huge issue as none of my 3 geared bikes have
vertical dropouts.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN
On Mar 22, 2013 7:27 AM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" 
wrote:

> Aside from fixed-gear conversions (not ideal with Riv's low BBs), I don't
> see many advantages to a traditional horizontal dropout. With freewheeling
> singles or IGHs, a chain tensioner is a good solution. A lot of people have
> a reflexive distrust of chain tensioners, but a quality tensioner
> (especially the Rohloff) is a wonderful thing. Of course, a tensioner
> detracts from the clean chainline that is apparently the defining hallmark
> of a good single-cog bike.
>
> But Riv is not really a single-speed brand, nor has Riv ever made any
> effort to promote IGH use. In fact, as much as I like Pudge's Rohloff
> Bombadil, the chain tensioner isn't the only "hack" required to make it
> work. Since the frame lacks a provision for OEM Rohloff compatibility, a
> long clamp-on torque arm is required, too.
>
> The vertical dropouts that Riv uses are sensible. Rivs are made for
> dérailleur drivetrains. The vertical dropouts make for a precise
> wheel-to-derailleur relationship that promotes consistent shifting. The
> vert dropouts also prevent the wheel from slipping if the qr isn't tight
> enough. And, of course, there's fender line to consider. If you're
> designing a frame for derailleurs, vertical dropouts are the way to go.
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Bryan]

Cool bike. Even though I lived in Wisconsin for five years, something seems 
wrong about building up a brand new bike in late March with studded tires! 
I hope spring is coming soon for you folks. 

Bryan in LA


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Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins

[Montclair BobbyB]

I have had great success with the Shimano Alfine tensioner... It visually 
looks like a derailleur (a potential detractor) and may seem like overkill, 
but it works extremely well, is relatively inexpensive, and it has a very 
strong spring.  It's especially effective when running a rear 
internal-geared hub and a double or triple crank with front derailleur, 
providing a vastly expanded gear range to a 5, 7 or 8 speed IG hub.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 2:24:45 PM UTC-4, Norman Bone wrote:
>
> The early Riv models (Long Low, Road Standard and All-Rounder) were 
> considered production. If you wanted to deviate from how they were 
> configured, Riv charged a 'Custom' fee. See the 'Custom frames' heading at 
> the bottom:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>
> I don't know what Grant's rationale for the horizontal drop outs was. 
> Wheelbase adjustability? Maybe he'll speak to it?
>
> -Norm riding a horizontal drop out Production AR in PDX
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new 
> Fatty Rumpkins
>  
> I think horizontals are only on Rivendell customs, and then only when 
> asked for. I don't believe any of their production bikes have ever had 
> horizontal or semi-horizontal. 
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question 
> Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind.  I'm interested in this 
> question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this 
> topic.  Anyone have anything to add?
>
> Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor 
> > wrote:
>
> This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: 
>
> What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts?  I 
> guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options!
>
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[RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[franklyn]

Wow,

I am really surprised that cantilever brakes would work given that the bike 
was originally intended for 26" wheels, and the brakes need to make up for 
12.5mm of difference in rim radius (559 to 584mm). If you can get a photo 
with the new brakes on the rim that'd be great.

franklyn

On Friday, March 22, 2013 11:26:09 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> I've thought about it several times but never followed up until now!
>
> Every time my buddy and I get together we make mention of throwing his 
> 650b wheelset in my AR to see what we see. Well I finally just called him 
> up and told him I was coming over.
>
> I took my set of Fatty Rumpkin tires that I loved but had been hanging in 
> the garage without a bike to fit. We mounted them up and got our test fit 
> on.
>
> I have to say...I got SUPER excited about this. I rode my Bleriot all over 
> the place shod with these FR's and they felt darn good in both rough dirt 
> and smooth trails. It was my first and best foray into the 650b thing.
>
> Brakes will be a non issue. We checked an old set of Shimano cantis that 
> would be just fine, though the Tektro Oryx will be a little cleaner and 
> should set up jst fine! Considering I never have need to run fenders, 
> I'm left with oodles of clearance on the 42mm Rumpkins, and I'm a little 
> giddy that I could even try some some Hetres!
>
> Take a look...I think she looks natural wearing 650b no?
>
> PROFILE
>
> FORK
>
> BRIDGE
>
> STAYS
>

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[RBW] Re: Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[Leslie]

Another brake alternative, since you have Pauls on there, is to go with the 
Paul Motolites, then slide the pads higher up the arm.  

Crown, bridge, and stays are fine, since you're ruling out fenders.   
Hetres should be close enough to the Rumpkins;  my Hetres measure at 41, my 
Rumpkins at 40...



On Friday, March 22, 2013 2:26:09 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>
> I've thought about it several times but never followed up until now!
>
> Every time my buddy and I get together we make mention of throwing his 
> 650b wheelset in my AR to see what we see. Well I finally just called him 
> up and told him I was coming over.
>
> I took my set of Fatty Rumpkin tires that I loved but had been hanging in 
> the garage without a bike to fit. We mounted them up and got our test fit 
> on.
>
> I have to say...I got SUPER excited about this. I rode my Bleriot all over 
> the place shod with these FR's and they felt darn good in both rough dirt 
> and smooth trails. It was my first and best foray into the 650b thing.
>
> Brakes will be a non issue. We checked an old set of Shimano cantis that 
> would be just fine, though the Tektro Oryx will be a little cleaner and 
> should set up jst fine! Considering I never have need to run fenders, 
> I'm left with oodles of clearance on the 42mm Rumpkins, and I'm a little 
> giddy that I could even try some some Hetres!
>
> Take a look...I think she looks natural wearing 650b no?
>
> PROFILE
>
> FORK
>
> BRIDGE
>
> STAYS
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[RBW] Scratching an itch...26" to 650b All Rounder...with PICS!

[jinxed]

I've thought about it several times but never followed up until now!

Every time my buddy and I get together we make mention of throwing his 650b 
wheelset in my AR to see what we see. Well I finally just called him up and 
told him I was coming over.

I took my set of Fatty Rumpkin tires that I loved but had been hanging in 
the garage without a bike to fit. We mounted them up and got our test fit 
on.

I have to say...I got SUPER excited about this. I rode my Bleriot all over 
the place shod with these FR's and they felt darn good in both rough dirt 
and smooth trails. It was my first and best foray into the 650b thing.

Brakes will be a non issue. We checked an old set of Shimano cantis that 
would be just fine, though the Tektro Oryx will be a little cleaner and 
should set up jst fine! Considering I never have need to run fenders, 
I'm left with oodles of clearance on the 42mm Rumpkins, and I'm a little 
giddy that I could even try some some Hetres!

Take a look...I think she looks natural wearing 650b no?

PROFILE

FORK

BRIDGE

STAYS

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Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins

[Norman Bone]

The early Riv models (Long Low, Road Standard and All-Rounder) were considered 
production. If you wanted to deviate from how they were configured, Riv charged 
a 'Custom' fee. See the 'Custom frames' heading at the bottom:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg

I don't know what Grant's rationale for the horizontal drop outs was. Wheelbase 
adjustability? Maybe he'll speak to it?


-Norm riding a horizontal drop out Production AR in PDX




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To: RBW Owners Bunch  
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty 
Rumpkins
 

I think horizontals are only on Rivendell customs, and then only when asked 
for. I don't believe any of their production bikes have ever had horizontal or 
semi-horizontal. 




On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question 
Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind.  I'm interested in this 
question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this 
topic.  Anyone have anything to add?
>
>
>Aaron Young
>Vancouver, WA
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor  wrote:
>
>This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: 
>>
>>
>>What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts?  I guess 
>>I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options!
>>
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Re: [RBW] are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[Dan McNamara]

Although not high tpi, I have enjoyed the big Resist Nomads. They measure
out a little over 40 on Velocity Synergy rims. They leave a little to be
desired in the finish department (nowhere near as good as Panaracer tires)
but the price is right, they are plush and feel quick. No flats in over
1000 miles. There is a little review in the Ocean Air Cycles blog somewhere.

Dan

-Marin


On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Michael Williams  wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher
> tpi( 120).   Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size.
> But Im prolly just be dreaming.  I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of
> tires in that size range,  and I like those tires,   but they've always
> felt a bit sluggish to me.   thanks in advance.  -Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[Evan]

>
> So, at great risk of oversimplification, relatively high TPI may . . .  
>
> - indicate a more supple tire, or not 
>
> - indicate a faster tire, or not
>
> - indicate greater rider comfort, or not
>
> - indicate greater susceptibility to punctures, or not
>
> - indicate marketing hooey, or not
>
> But what I really wanna know is: What is the TPI on Little Big Bens? 
> Regardless, I'm going to pick up a set at Riv this weekend!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[IanA]

Great looking bicycle - what attracted you to a second Hillborne after not 
being taken with the first?  

On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:58:22 AM UTC-6, EricP wrote:
>
> Yes, I sold my original Hillborne last summer after becoming dissatisfied 
> with it (and myself at the time).  While not getting sellers remorse, was 
> looking at getting a replacement in the 60cm size.  Luckily, Jim Thill, 
> being the guy he is, had one at his shop. Last night picked up the frame, 
> brakes and a few bits needed to complete the build.
>  
> Ended up going a completely different direction than last build.  This is 
> a 1x9 with flat bars (Nitto Torsion bars).  A bike to fill the gap between 
> my SimpleOne and full on touring bike (Surly LHT with 26" wheels)
>  
> Studded tires and Longboard fenders fit, but it's close.  Probably as big 
> as I'll go on this bike.  After finishing this post will get ready to head 
> out on a maiden voyage.
>  
> Quick photo here - 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8579515535/in/photostream
>  
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
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Re: [RBW] New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Michael Williams]

now that is a sweet bike!Ive always wondered about the 1x9 drivetrain.
  Does it put any stress on the chain to move that laterally across the
casette?thanks  -Mike

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Eric Platt  wrote:

> Yes, I sold my original Hillborne last summer after becoming dissatisfied
> with it (and myself at the time).  While not getting sellers remorse, was
> looking at getting a replacement in the 60cm size.  Luckily, Jim Thill,
> being the guy he is, had one at his shop. Last night picked up the frame,
> brakes and a few bits needed to complete the build.
>
> Ended up going a completely different direction than last build.  This is
> a 1x9 with flat bars (Nitto Torsion bars).  A bike to fill the gap between
> my SimpleOne and full on touring bike (Surly LHT with 26" wheels)
>
> Studded tires and Longboard fenders fit, but it's close.  Probably as big
> as I'll go on this bike.  After finishing this post will get ready to head
> out on a maiden voyage.
>
> Quick photo here -
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8579515535/in/photostream
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
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Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:20:19 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:
>
> So you weren't seriously injured when you broke your cranks?
>

No.  I actually (generally) fall pretty well.  Hit the ground on the old 
Campy one (was climbing, out of saddle when it happened, and luckily was 
not run over).

http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=226

On the newer one, it was on the Hilsen, and I would argue that the reason I 
didn't hit the ground had a lot to do with the inherent stability of GP's 
designs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157622446951852/

- J

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[RBW] Re: Tags?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

This function only works if you are viewing the group discussions via the 
web interface.  

The tags provide an ability for the viewer to see all similar listings by 
clicking on it.  All non-tagged posts and non-tagged threads disappear when 
you click on the tag.  Essentially it's a quick filter function.

In no way is this meant to replace specific topic and post Subject Lines.  
Since many group members interact through email, it is important to be 
direct and clear in subject lines.  

Michael, what I did was to enable "Tagging" in general (as opposed to 
"Categories", which creates a hierarchy and higher degree of separation in 
the conversation than I'm comfortable with), and then created a single tag 
for "Transactions".  My thought was that folks who want to skim the list to 
see what is being offered would then have a tool to do so.  (Again, only 
through the web interface).  

Hope that makes sense,

- Jim / list admin / cyclofiend.com






On Friday, March 22, 2013 4:57:32 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I'm confused.  I like subject lines that are as specific as possible, like 
> "Ram Fender Question"  or "FS: 58 cm Atlantis"   I want to quickly weed out 
> topicss I have neither a knowledge nor interest about.  I'm not sure what 
> problem Jim's post about tags is trying to solve, but it feels like a 
> movement from more to less specificity.  What am I missing? 
>
> Michael
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[RBW] New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Eric Platt]

Yes, I sold my original Hillborne last summer after becoming dissatisfied
with it (and myself at the time).  While not getting sellers remorse, was
looking at getting a replacement in the 60cm size.  Luckily, Jim Thill,
being the guy he is, had one at his shop. Last night picked up the frame,
brakes and a few bits needed to complete the build.

Ended up going a completely different direction than last build.  This is a
1x9 with flat bars (Nitto Torsion bars).  A bike to fill the gap between my
SimpleOne and full on touring bike (Surly LHT with 26" wheels)

Studded tires and Longboard fenders fit, but it's close.  Probably as big
as I'll go on this bike.  After finishing this post will get ready to head
out on a maiden voyage.

Quick photo here -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8579515535/in/photostream

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Looking for 650b wheelset and tires?

[EMJr]

Hi Ely, 
I have the set plus lighting if you need it. It's a freshly laced Schmidt/White 
Industries/Supernova E3 pro system.

Contact me at e.mantar...@gmail.com if interested.

Cheers.
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[RBW] Re: Beautiful 52cm custom on ebay

[samh]

Beautiful!  More pictures!

On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:23:40 PM UTC-6, djbardwil wrote:
>
> It's nice to be able to post the results of a winter build project on the 
> last day of winter.  While I still await the arrival of my Berthoud Trunk 
> bag for the rear rack and Berthoud tire bag for the Dia Compe mini rack, 
> the bike is complete enough for a first ride.  It will need a tweak here 
> and there on the saddle and the lights but overall, it is such a great 
> ride.  
>
> My fear of severe toe overlap was overblown as I did not have a single 
> incident of contact unless I actually tried, and under hard turning with 
> toes unnaturally pointing down.  I think some of the contributing factors 
> may be the 165mm cranks, 30mm ties with correspondingly lower tire profile, 
> allowing me to bring the fenders in a bit.
>
> Looking forward to spring!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 3:18:23 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Nice as is, but begs for a 650B conversion:  
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200882676560&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[Johan Larsson]

As a note - if I have understood it correctly, Continental includes _all_ 
layers in their tpi value, i.e. their "180 tpi" tires have three layers of 
60 tpi casing. Please verify/debunk/explain this if someone have any 
knowledge about it...

I remember reading somewhere on wheelenergy.com that one of their findings 
was that a high tpi count in itself didn't mean much, if anything. From 
memory I think they said that tires with low thread count could perform 
just as well, and that other factors are more important.

Johan,
Sweden

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[RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?

[Fai Mao]

On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:50:43 AM UTC+10, Michael wrote:
>
> In a cool interview with Nitto exec Mr. Yoshikawa, Grant asks this 
> question. Nitto exec leaves it up to consumer. So I was wondering if 
> anything to be concerned about. Anyone know anything about aluminum bar 
> life?
> Do I need to throw away the old used set of bars I have? Don't want any 
> accidents.



I wonder about stress risers? I have an old set of Scott Drop bars that are 
on a triathlon bike. very seldom ride that bike because of the bad knee and 
it's high gears. The bars do not have many miles on them but they are old. 
They are also the only handle bars I have ever used that I can feel flex 
while riding.  

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[RBW] Anyone in Taipei, Taiwan this week for the bicycle show?

[James Chang]

As titled.  I am here and would love to grab coffee with fellow RBW list
members if you are in Taipei this weekend.

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[RBW] Re: Thanks Keven & Rivendell

[Geoff Cisler]

Bill,

I was probably on that exact same bike the day before.  Last year, when I 
stopped by RBW HQ, they didn't have a bike my size to test ride.  This year 
I was prepared and they had that Hunq waiting for me!  I had just ridden my 
own bike (1983 Fuji) from Hayward Amtrak up over the hills via San Ramon to 
Walnut Creek.  After a little break, chatting with Keven about bike fit and 
handlebar width, I took off on the Hunq to Shell Ridge and was amazed by 
both the cycling in that area as well as the bike itself.  Here are some 
quick shots:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpbikeresearch/8550639212

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpbikeresearch/8550642760

And when I asked if I needed to leave a license or something, Keven said 
"No one's ever taken a bike, so if you do, you'd be the first."  

Fantastic!

Geoff
Jamaica Plain, MA

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:57:28 AM UTC-4, Old Oly wrote:
>
> Today my son and I stopped by the Rivendell shop and borrowed a 
> Hunqapillar for him to ride.  Keven was more than accomodating and in 
> short order we were off to Shell Ridge on a glorious 
> 75 degree day with nary a cloud.  I was riding a Rawland rSogn with 
> drop bars and knobby tires.  The Hungapillar had albatross bars and 
> fat Scwalbe tires of some sort.Neither of us had ever ridden such 
> a bike before.   Can't say either of us were sold on the albatross 
> bars but we both loved the solid and stable ride when descending.  We 
> hit it pretty hard and had a great time exploring trails and getting 
> sorta lost.  We had a copy of the Mount Diablo State Park trail map 
> and found it to be invaluable.   We've never ridden on trails quite 
> like those that Shell Ridge offers.  We are from the NW and are used 
> to mud, ferns, gnarly tree roots, and giant Doug firs and cedars. The 
> trails we were on were wide open, pretty smooth, and certainly had 
> plenty of ups and downs.  I think we did about 2,900' of climbng over 
> 15 miles (including the ride from/to Riv HQ's). 
>
> I can't think of another shop that would turn someone loose on a 
> $3,500+ bike for an afternoon of fun with virtually no questions 
> asked.  Thanks again.  It was a great day. 
>
> Bill & Nathan Liechty 
> Olympia, WA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?

[samh]

So you weren't seriously injured when you broke your cranks?

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:32:13 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Lots of salient points in this thread - particularly about finite cycles 
> to failure of aluminum.  
>
> I'll only add a couple thoughts that I keep in my head:  
> - Aluminum bends well - once. Maybe twice.  
> - Consider where your teeth sit in relation to your handlebar and stem. 
> - There is no price for piece of mind.  
>
> A few years ago, when I decided to stop my quickbeam by placing my index 
> finger between the handlebar and a suddenly-opened car door, my Nitto bar 
> actually didn't bend all that much.  
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3675517009/in/photostream/
>
> I actually had to force myself to cut it so I would not reuse it down the 
> road.   But, I do expect my rigs to ramble over a variety of terrain, and 
> there is cyclical load involved.  I use a bright light and magnifying lens 
> every few months when I clean things.   But, I've had worse luck with 
> cranksets than I ever have had with bars.  Which is where I think I'd like 
> to see some steel.
>
> http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=399
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2089364757/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3950425015/
>
> - Jim / cyclofiend.com
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Meaning, force them in with a long handled wrench, Jim?



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> Just grease up your non-French pedals, and thread them in with a long wrench. 
> Problem solved.
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Re: [RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[Mike Williams]

Thanks to everyone for the replies

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2013, at 4:45 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> A quick review of information from selected manufacturers' websites 
> reinforced some fundamentals on this subject.
> 
> From Michelin: "The finer the thread the higher the density. It is an 
> important characteristic of a light, supple and fast tire. Higher density is 
> not always better; it must consider strength, durability, and real world 
> situations to provide optimized performance."
> 
> Schwalbe points out another discrete fact in description of construction: 
> "The carcass is a rubberized textile fabric which is laid around the bead 
> cores. The carcass is then coated with a rubber compound. The tire tread is 
> applied and the assembly is vulcanized." The compound coating the thread 
> cloth matrix complicates things immediately.
> 
> Vittoria: "Cotton is the traditional material used for high quality tubulars. 
> Vittoria produces all its casing products in-house with a wide range of 
> cross-sections, from natural cotton to 220 TPI for its tubular range. A 
> fabric made from finely woven thin yarns to get a softer and more flexible 
> casing offering amazing grip thanks to greater contact surface with the road. 
> Better comfort too, as micro impacts are absorbed better. Plus faster speeds, 
> thanks to better rolling resistance. The density of the fabric is expressed 
> in threads-per-inch (TPI): the higher the TPI, the finer the threads and the 
> denser the weave. The higher the TPI, the more flexible the tire. Cotton is 
> incredibly tough and fine, letting us produce casings with the highest 
> possible TPI." 
> 
> Maxxis, regarding TPI measurement, offers: "The number of nylon threads that 
> cross through one square inch of the tire’s casing. Lower TPI gives better 
> puncture and tear resistance, but is heavier. Higher TPI conforms more to the 
> terrain, offering a smoother, more supple ride. It is also lighter weight. 
> Maxxis TPI ratings are the threads-per-inch of a single casing ply, as 
> compared to some competitor TPI ratings."
> 
> Summing up key points from these general corporate sources: 
> 1) TPI varies and increases the suppleness of comparative fiber cloths 
> (cotton, silk or nylon), but reduction of individual fibers' size may not be 
> appropriate in every circumstance and the actual material of the fiber can 
> have input to the ultimate perception of the casing suppleness. As Maxxis 
> points out, some makers may be counting the threads of several layers of 
> cloth which offset the threads to create a very dense effect but not from a 
> single ply (actually illustrated on Vittoria's website). Among similar fibers 
> there are levels of quality also; cotton can be graded in terms of the staple 
> or individual fiber length as an example.
> 
> 2) The make up of the compound applied to the matrix the thread casing 
> provides has an important role in the outcome of the tire's characteristics. 
> Clearly a tire's intended end use will dictate the outcome product somewhere 
> on the spectrum between durability and suppleness. Each maker lays claim to a 
> balanced, innovative solution to that problem with lots of copyrighted 
> nomenclature.
> 
> 3) The tread cap (and any puncture proofing sandwiched beneath it atop the 
> carcass), and its compound make up, has impact on product ride 
> characteristics, the same true for the decision and compound used to 
> "gumwall" the tire versus leaving it a "skinwall" tire.
> 
> That's a handful of parameters that encompass several features of tire 
> construction to consider when putting a finger down to say "this is the one" 
> when tire shopping. My hat is off to the developers and designers who specify 
> all of these parameters, designing a tire that will find an audience of 
> consumers who can discern its performance and differentiate it from others 
> enough to justify its expense and distribute it widely enough to reach their 
> buyers in the marketplace.
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
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[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Just grease up your non-French pedals, and thread them in with a long wrench. 
Problem solved.

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[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Joe Bernard]

I have a Mavic group like that, that I really should put on a bike one of 
these days. The starfish cranks use French-thread pedals, which I haven't 
tracked down yet.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 7:29:14 AM UTC-7, Ryan wrote:

> Nicely kitted out. I can vouch for the smoothness of those Mavic 501 
> hubs...which are  lovely bits .. I have them  on my all-rounder. I've 
> always liked the looks of the Mavic starfish crankset,too. Aside from the 
> clipless pedals which looked like Lego pieces, those older Mavic components 
> had a certain je ne sais quoiLovely bike but I like the darker blues 
> like the Hilsen blue better than the sky blues
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:19:56 PM UTC-5, rcnute wrote: 
>>
>> How cool is this?  
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item257c06bb2f
>>  
>>
>> Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance...
>>
>> Ryan
>>
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[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.

[Mike]

Thanks Hugh. Yeah, the SS drivetrain is practical and easy to manage here 
in the wet PNW. Still have to clean up the rims and brake pads. I sometimes 
think a disc braked bike is in order but disc brakes have their own issues. 

--mike

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:09:06 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I've got to say that I always enjoy ride reports and yours did what a good 
> ride report should do inspire! I now feel inspired to get out for a good 
> ride! Except, on mine I won't be riding in such natural beauty even with 
> the clear cuts it's amazing.
>
> On another note, riding a SS is nice on post ride clean up :) 
>
> Thanks for a great report. Looking to your next report.
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
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[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay

[Ryan]

Nicely kitted out. I can vouch for the smoothness of those Mavic 501 
hubs...which are  lovely bits .. I have them  on my all-rounder. I've 
always liked the looks of the Mavic starfish crankset,too. Aside from the 
clipless pedals which looked like Lego pieces, those older Mavic components 
had a certain je ne sais quoiLovely bike but I like the darker blues 
like the Hilsen blue better than the sky blues
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:19:56 PM UTC-5, rcnute wrote: 
>
> How cool is this?  
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item257c06bb2f
>  
>
> Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance...
>
> Ryan
>

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Re: [RBW] Imprompt Mixed Terrain Ride- Diablo style

[Manuel Acosta]

Yikes that would be important huh? This Sunday 3/24.

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:12:04 PM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>
> When? I mean what date?
>
> On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Manuel Acosta 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> Riding road up to juniper then dirt back. 
> There will be creek crossings, dirt jumps, single tracking and good times.
> http://goo.gl/maps/PHeI0
>
> Meet at 900ish at Walnut Creek Bart in the morning.
>
> Let me know if you plan to go.
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[RBW] Tags?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

You can still use a specific subject heading. The tags make searching easier.

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Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Aside from fixed-gear conversions (not ideal with Riv's low BBs), I don't see 
many advantages to a traditional horizontal dropout. With freewheeling singles 
or IGHs, a chain tensioner is a good solution. A lot of people have a reflexive 
distrust of chain tensioners, but a quality tensioner (especially the Rohloff) 
is a wonderful thing. Of course, a tensioner detracts from the clean chainline 
that is apparently the defining hallmark of a good single-cog bike.

But Riv is not really a single-speed brand, nor has Riv ever made any effort to 
promote IGH use. In fact, as much as I like Pudge's Rohloff Bombadil, the chain 
tensioner isn't the only "hack" required to make it work. Since the frame lacks 
a provision for OEM Rohloff compatibility, a long clamp-on torque arm is 
required, too.

The vertical dropouts that Riv uses are sensible. Rivs are made for dérailleur 
drivetrains. The vertical dropouts make for a precise wheel-to-derailleur 
relationship that promotes consistent shifting. The vert dropouts also prevent 
the wheel from slipping if the qr isn't tight enough. And, of course, there's 
fender line to consider. If you're designing a frame for derailleurs, vertical 
dropouts are the way to go.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres vs Nifty Swifty

[Bruce Herbitter]

To me, the Nifty Swiftys are a bit harsh and heavy and the wire bead is
harder to install and get fully round. If in a hurry to mount a tire,
expect "thump, thump" as you ride. The Cypres are nicest to ride on in this
group, but mileage seems to be about 2100 (with a position swap mid way).
N-S last much longer and are more flat resistant. The Maxy Fasty has been a
good compromise. Lighter, fiber bead, comfortable and reasonably flat
resistant with good mileage.

The O.P. asked about 32 - 33 mm tires, but the G,B, Ourson is still around
and that measures about 34 iirc. The tread of a Col de la Vie on a way
better casing. I've had a pair on my Saluki since 2009 and had zero flats
in thousands of miles.

Right now, the smallest tires I am running are 37s, but I still have these
on the shelf.  The Soma tires are on the list to try someday, if I ever
need another tire. Like some others here, I seem to have too many tires and
not enough bikes.

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[RBW] Tags?

[Michael Hechmer]

I'm confused.  I like subject lines that are as specific as possible, like 
"Ram Fender Question"  or "FS: 58 cm Atlantis"   I want to quickly weed out 
topicss I have neither a knowledge nor interest about.  I'm not sure what 
problem Jim's post about tags is trying to solve, but it feels like a 
movement from more to less specificity.  What am I missing? 

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

There have been minor problems in past years  when people used the link to 
order. I solved those problems by not posting a direct link. But all you darn 
computer geniuses keep helping! Maybe it'll work better this time.

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[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[ascpgh]

A quick review of information from selected manufacturers' websites 
reinforced some fundamentals on this subject.

>From Michelin: "The finer the thread the higher the density. It is an 
important characteristic of a light, supple and fast tire. Higher density 
is not always better; it must consider strength, durability, and real world 
situations to provide optimized performance."

Schwalbe points out another discrete fact in description of construction: 
"The carcass is a rubberized textile fabric which is laid around the bead 
cores. The carcass is then coated with a rubber compound. The tire tread is 
applied and the assembly is vulcanized." The compound coating the thread 
cloth matrix complicates things immediately.

Vittoria: "Cotton is the traditional material used for high quality 
tubulars. Vittoria produces all its casing products in-house with a wide 
range of cross-sections, from natural cotton to 220 TPI for its tubular 
range. A fabric made from finely woven thin yarns to get a softer and more 
flexible casing offering amazing grip thanks to greater contact surface 
with the road. Better comfort too, as micro impacts are absorbed better. 
Plus faster speeds, thanks to better rolling resistance. The density of the 
fabric is expressed in threads-per-inch (TPI): the higher the TPI, the 
finer the threads and the denser the weave. The higher the TPI, the more 
flexible the tire. Cotton is incredibly tough and fine, letting us produce 
casings with the highest possible TPI." 

Maxxis, regarding TPI measurement, offers: "The number of nylon threads 
that cross through one square inch of the tire’s casing. Lower TPI gives 
better puncture and tear resistance, but is heavier. Higher TPI conforms 
more to the terrain, offering a smoother, more supple ride. It is also 
lighter weight. Maxxis TPI ratings are the threads-per-inch of a single 
casing ply, as compared to some competitor TPI ratings."

Summing up key points from these general corporate sources: 
1) TPI varies and increases the suppleness of comparative fiber cloths 
(cotton, silk or nylon), but reduction of individual fibers' size may not 
be appropriate in every circumstance and the actual material of the fiber 
can have input to the ultimate perception of the casing suppleness. As 
Maxxis points out, some makers may be counting the threads of several 
layers of cloth which offset the threads to create a very dense effect but 
not from a single ply (actually illustrated on Vittoria's website). Among 
similar fibers there are levels of quality also; cotton can be graded in 
terms of the staple or individual fiber length as an example.

2) The make up of the compound applied to the matrix the thread casing 
provides has an important role in the outcome of the tire's 
characteristics. Clearly a tire's intended end use will dictate the outcome 
product somewhere on the spectrum between durability and suppleness. Each 
maker lays claim to a balanced, innovative solution to that problem with 
lots of copyrighted nomenclature.

3) The tread cap (and any puncture proofing sandwiched beneath it atop the 
carcass), and its compound make up, has impact on product ride 
characteristics, the same true for the decision and compound used to 
"gumwall" the tire versus leaving it a "skinwall" tire.

That's a handful of parameters that encompass several features of tire 
construction to consider when putting a finger down to say "this is the 
one" when tire shopping. My hat is off to the developers and designers who 
specify all of these parameters, designing a tire that will find an 
audience of consumers who can discern its performance and differentiate it 
from others enough to justify its expense and distribute it widely enough 
to reach their buyers in the marketplace.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.

[Deacon Patrick]

That's NOT Spring? Gadzooks! If that lush green rain isn't Spring, what is?

With abandon,
Patrick
a Colorado bumpkin who knows Winter is 7 months, Spring 1 month, Summer and 
Autumn 2 months.

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:20:42 PM UTC-6, Mike wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan, I was riding 700x38 Schwalbe Marathons and they worked fine. Ed 
> was on some kind of 700x40 Specialized tire.
>
> Hope it's not too long before spring springs.
>
> --mike
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:22:47 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote:
>>
>> That is a beautiful area where you live, but I am sure evidence of 
>> clear-cutting is depressing to see. Your ride reports are excellent...
>>  
>> What tires were you fellows using?
>>  
>> Ryan in Winnipeg where spring seems, alas, far away:)
>>
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