[RBW] Re: Rivendell handlebars comparaison

[oli c]

Thank you for the encouraging comments.
A poster would be nice indeed. The handlebar should be at 100% size. It may 
happen and I sure will keep you posted.
An all-interactive on-line bar&stem selector with semi-transparent overlay 
would be nice too. I can't code to save my life though. I'm all up for it.



On Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:36:42 PM UTC-7, oli c wrote:
>
> Good day bunch,
> here's an illustration demonstrating the geometry differences between the 
> current Nitto-crafted Rivendell-designed handlebars.
> It may answer at least six unasked questions.
>
> Here's the link:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/
>
> Stay safe and be comfortable,
>
> Olivier
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

[Brian Hanson]

To add to what Andy said - I also found our 2nd-day's adventure to be the
best ride in years!  It always helps to endo into the snow on your Hilsen
at speed, pinch flat the rear (of course!) Cypres while slamming down some
rocky, rutted, melt-draining dirt trails waiting for arm-pump to set in,
fall on the seat twice when your feet pop off the pedals in the rocks, and
- oh yeah - do it all with a bunch of awesome-fun, like-minded riv geeks!
 Wow - I now understand underbiking, but I would say a Hilsen can do
anything that doesn't involve major air.  Best bike ever!  The Hunqa was
great on day 1, too!

My mess of pics: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFK62Nt

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a link to the few photos I took:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/sets/72157633916462224/
>
> What a great ride!
>
> Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> No bugs.
>>
>> The CG was about 2.5 hours from both Seattle and Portland... You could
>> absolutely do something like this in So Cal.
>>
>> Bikes were 3 Homers, 1 Sam, 1 Hunqapilar, and an LHT
>>
>> If anyone's interested in the details of where we were...
>> Saturday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621380
>> Sunday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621398
>>
>> There were other cameras... I'm sure more (and better) pics will surface.
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:27:23 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle
>>> vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp
>>> and set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River
>>> for about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike
>>> talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some
>>> hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a
>>> spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after
>>> dark.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he
>>> got a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and
>>> cleaning up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us
>>> headed out to investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be
>>> stopped by the snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being mostly
>>> melted. We got crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40
>>> mile loop. We implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward
>>> despite not really knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to
>>> cause you to be late getting home). The loop turned out to include a
>>> spectacular 5 mile descent down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded
>>> the bikes into the cars and headed our separate ways.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for who "won" the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so
>>> pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally
>>> having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps
>>> we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> My pics are here. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> The other guys will post theirs in the comments
>>>
>>>
>>> --Smitty
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Mid-May Tour

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Excellent write up and pics! It's nice to get details about the Willapa 
Hills Trail. Thanks for sharing. 
--Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Joe Bernard]

I'm more confused now than before I started this topic. What I usually do 
is coat the bottom and leave it; coat the top, let sit overnight, polish 
off, then pretty much ignore Proofiding again unless it becomes painfully 
obvious it needs it. I guess I'll stick with that.

On Monday, June 3, 2013 10:12:37 PM UTC-7, Evan wrote:

> After having read way too many posts, on various forums, about Brooks 
> saddle care, I think the consensus is this: Whether you use Proofide or 
> Obenauf's or neutral Kiwi shoe polish or some other treatment, use it 
> sparingly and not too frequently. How much is "sparingly"? I like Grant's 
> suggestion that a thimbleful will treat a whole saddle, top and bottom. How 
> often is "not too frequently"? I don't know, but I like Matt B's 
> suggestion: When the leather appears dry, rub some Proofide into it. But 
> again, just a bit. It appears to be far easier to ruin a Brooks with too 
> much oiling than with too little.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[Manuel Acosta]

Mexican Luca Libre Mask. All the way. Pretty sure you can get it at the 
Pop-up Store...


On Monday, June 3, 2013 6:53:54 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that 
> tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I 
> currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as breathable 
> as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.
>
> Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, or 
> just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Evan]

After having read way too many posts, on various forums, about Brooks 
saddle care, I think the consensus is this: Whether you use Proofide or 
Obenauf's or neutral Kiwi shoe polish or some other treatment, use it 
sparingly and not too frequently. How much is "sparingly"? I like Grant's 
suggestion that a thimbleful will treat a whole saddle, top and bottom. How 
often is "not too frequently"? I don't know, but I like Matt B's 
suggestion: When the leather appears dry, rub some Proofide into it. But 
again, just a bit. It appears to be far easier to ruin a Brooks with too 
much oiling than with too little.


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[RBW] Start of Summer shenanigans.

[Manuel Acosta]

Great weekend riding bikes.
Some highlights
- Checking out and meeting familiar and new folks at the opening of the 
Rivendell SF Pop-Up store. The pop-up shops looks good, great layout and a 
good number of demo bikes there not really meant for demoing. The raffle 
was the highlight of the night and was a blast! For those that stayed after 
the raffle Dav and Jenny jammed out to some music till closing. Dav did a 
great job setting everything up and replicating the great experience of 
Rivendell HQ! Afterwords convinced a handful of the employees and a couple 
of locals in doing a ride after the pop-up store. The usually suspects 
Sean, Will with some locals Mike and Brencho (kind of local) went on trying 
to catch the sunset at the "Enchanted forrest". Had a blast riding in near 
darkness and grabbing coffee before doing all over again.

- Went on a mixed terrain ride with some Rando-folks and Jeremy Thill 
starting from Fremont ending wherever. 
Jeremy did a good job writing it up here.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/X1P44qvUJ0k/ZlwInRnDa_IJ

- Did a quick overnight with Mike, Jared, Will, Adam and Brencho in the 
Marin Headlands. Started pretty late and already tired so we did took our 
time getting to camp. The wind and the fog was howling so we opted for some 
tree coverage. The morning the fog semi burned off and Mike happily showed 
the group through some of his favorite trails of the Marin Headlands. It 
seemed like we rolled just below the fog line and had amazing views of the 
city and beyond.

- Great weekend of coffee and bike riding shenanigans. And the summer only 
just started..

Pictures proved that summertime in California is here:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFJWzEB

-Manny "Let the summer begin!" Acosta



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[RBW] Re: New-to-Me Saluki

[Mike]

Congrats on the new bike Michael. It looks great. 

--mike

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[RBW] Re: "Jenny" the AHH made it on TV

[Harry H]

Pretty cool.

On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:02:05 AM UTC-7, NWAJack wrote:
>
> *http://nwahomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=434452*
> Sorry about the adds.   Notice my AHH in the background at about 30 
> seconds.I'm pretty sure she was the only steel bike and the only one 
> with a kickstand who participated.
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Re: [RBW] Introduction

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, Patrick. The Roubaix Pro had nothing on any Rivendell, but the 
geometry was a bit more sport-tour than race, and it did just kind of 
disappear underneath me like no aluminum or carbon bike had.
Those early Rivendells hearken back to a few decades of pre-crit classic 
road bikes, which is my touchstone. Back in the day I didn't really know 
rando-ish bikes existed, my only exposure was a few catalog pages in some 
late-'70s Fuji Japan catalogs lying around the shop. There were some 
French-inspired (I suppose?) rando/touring models in the lineup, and to my 
eyes they could have been designed by Martians. There just seemed to be so 
much darned stuff on them, everywhere, and I couldn't comprehend any of it. 
My outlook has widened since then. When I look at a lot of the current 
Rivs, I do grok them, I think they look cool, they even trigger a little 
desire. But they don't quite resonate as deeply with me.
No matter, though, it's all good stuff, and it has been a pleasure watching 
what Grant has accomplished as an independent entity, relatively 
unleashed.  
Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA


On Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:50:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Welcome, Paul; very interesting introduction. And that is a righteous 
> Rivendell. I had an early edition Waterford-built custom road back in 1995. 
>
> I rather miss the more pavement oriented Rivendells of 10 years ago. And I 
> bet my new-to-me Ram will run circles around your Fuji.
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Paul Brodek 
> > wrote:
>
>> I am now the proud 3rd or 4th owner of an early '95 Riv Road Std 59.5cm, 
>> W'ford production, ser# 95060. BB paint is thick and stampings shallow, 
>> can't see any month letter stamp in front of the 95, so I don't know 
>> production month. Pretty sure is was originally frank_a's frame, sent him a 
>> pm to verify, but the missing paint scabs match his exactly. Burnt orange 
>> with a deep blue head tube, built as a fixie for now. 
>>
>> I've been on ibob since '96, guess it took me quite a while to finally 
>> nab a Riv and join here. I almost feel a little out of place, not in a bad 
>> way at all, but so many folks here have newer Rivs with mega-rubber 
>> clearance and off-road capability. What was revolutionary in '95, a quality 
>> road bike with clearance for 30mm tires, now seems quaint and almost 
>> dainty. All these pix of Hunqs and Homers with 40mm+ tires makes me feel 
>> like I'm back on a twitchy crit bike with 21mm Specialized Turbos---and 
>> Grant's building frames now with double top tubes? Evolution is an 
>> interesting/spooky thing...
>>
>> I'm a bike biz vet/refugee, wrenched at Fuji Cycle Center of NJ '80-'83, 
>> then went to SunTour USA '84-'88, Maeda Kogyo/SunTour Japan '89-'90, Trek 
>> Japan '90-'99, Fuji America '00-'01. I was bobbish when lugged steel and 
>> wool/cotton was just about all that existed, then flirted with aluminum at 
>> SunTour, then carbon at Trek. Started looking at steel again after trashing 
>> my very first Trek OCLV frame on its maiden voyage, first or second front 
>> shift dumped the chain and sawed through several critical layers of 
>> chainstay carbon. I was honestly Just Riding Along (JRA). Frame was toast 
>> and I started thinking maybe carbon wasn't a great bicycle frame material. 
>>
>> Started reading ibob, Grant/Riv and the Sheldon Chronicles, grew 
>> increasingly disenchanted with aluminum/carbon. My steel epiphany/satori 
>> was my first lunchtime ride on a '99/'00 Fuji Roubaix Pro, tig'd Reynolds 
>> 853, when I realized it was the "rightest" feeling bike I had ridden in 
>> more than a decade. Dove back into steel in a big way, got rid of all my 
>> non-ferrous steeds and haven't looked back.
>>
>> So now I find myself an old cuss, fatter and weaker than ever, but I've 
>> never been happier with my bikes. My love for lugged steel has been 
>> rekindled (I'm also OK with fillet-brazed and even tig'd) and I seriously 
>> jones for small-volume American handbuilt frames from the '70s-'80s---a 
>> weird full-circle thing for me because some of these builders were 
>> customers of mine or show-buddies from my SunTour days. I made it to NAHBS 
>> in Richmond 2010 and Denver this year, also finally just made it to Cirque. 
>> Left behind a period-correct components phase and now often run semi-modern 
>> parts where it makes sense to me; also ride only spiky platform pedals 
>> these days, no more foot retention. 
>>
>> Although my riding mileage is still pitifully low, it's generally on a 
>> slow upswing. I re-connected with the Bicycle Touring Club of North Jersey 
>> (BTCNJ), which had a couple hundred members in '82 and now has a couple 
>> thousand, and getting back out on club rides has been fun. Not a lot of 
>> steel out there, though, especially higher-end steel. 
>>
>> Took a few piccies of the Riv today, did a flattish 25mi fixed ride 
>> w/500' of climbing, my legs are toast. Here's a small flickr set, you'll 

Re: [RBW] Re: Sunday Morning Ramble.

[Mike]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 8:00:57 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
   It's really all a matter of mind-set: it's not 
>
> the length that makes it a ramble for me, it's the enjoyment of scenery 
> and how people interact at rest stops. 
>

Steve, well put and very true. 

--mike 


 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell SF Pop-Up Store

[hsmitham]

Manny,

Thanks for the pics since I can't be there it's nice to get the flavor.

Best,

~Hugh

On Friday, May 31, 2013 2:54:55 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> In case you were wondering...
> Here's some sneak peak pictures.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFB3KS3
>
> Anyone else checking it out on Saturday? I'll be there. Ride afterwards 
> could be an option.
>
> -Manny
>

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Re: [RBW] Introduction

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, Tim---let us know how it goes. From what I'm reading here 
650x32-34mm will likely work OK, 38mm might be tight. This Riv Road Std is 
a dry pavement bike for me. Parigi-Roubaix plump out to almost 30mm, and I 
find 'em mighty cushy. But it's good to know I have to option to go 
smaller/fatter!

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA
 

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:40:53 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Nice.  I also recently picked up an early Riv Road; mine's a '97 in the 
> same size.  I feel ya on the lack of tire clearance compared to recent 
> Rivs.  I'm going to try 650B wheels to get more clearance for tires and 
> fenders; I'll report measurements when I get the wheels.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Paul Brodek 
> > wrote:
>
>> I am now the proud 3rd or 4th owner of an early '95 Riv Road Std 59.5cm, 
>> W'ford production, ser# 95060. BB paint is thick and stampings shallow, 
>> can't see any month letter stamp in front of the 95, so I don't know 
>> production month. Pretty sure is was originally frank_a's frame, sent him a 
>> pm to verify, but the missing paint scabs match his exactly. Burnt orange 
>> with a deep blue head tube, built as a fixie for now. 
>>
>> I've been on ibob since '96, guess it took me quite a while to finally 
>> nab a Riv and join here. I almost feel a little out of place, not in a bad 
>> way at all, but so many folks here have newer Rivs with mega-rubber 
>> clearance and off-road capability. What was revolutionary in '95, a quality 
>> road bike with clearance for 30mm tires, now seems quaint and almost 
>> dainty. All these pix of Hunqs and Homers with 40mm+ tires makes me feel 
>> like I'm back on a twitchy crit bike with 21mm Specialized Turbos---and 
>> Grant's building frames now with double top tubes? Evolution is an 
>> interesting/spooky thing...
>>
>> I'm a bike biz vet/refugee, wrenched at Fuji Cycle Center of NJ '80-'83, 
>> then went to SunTour USA '84-'88, Maeda Kogyo/SunTour Japan '89-'90, Trek 
>> Japan '90-'99, Fuji America '00-'01. I was bobbish when lugged steel and 
>> wool/cotton was just about all that existed, then flirted with aluminum at 
>> SunTour, then carbon at Trek. Started looking at steel again after trashing 
>> my very first Trek OCLV frame on its maiden voyage, first or second front 
>> shift dumped the chain and sawed through several critical layers of 
>> chainstay carbon. I was honestly Just Riding Along (JRA). Frame was toast 
>> and I started thinking maybe carbon wasn't a great bicycle frame material. 
>>
>> Started reading ibob, Grant/Riv and the Sheldon Chronicles, grew 
>> increasingly disenchanted with aluminum/carbon. My steel epiphany/satori 
>> was my first lunchtime ride on a '99/'00 Fuji Roubaix Pro, tig'd Reynolds 
>> 853, when I realized it was the "rightest" feeling bike I had ridden in 
>> more than a decade. Dove back into steel in a big way, got rid of all my 
>> non-ferrous steeds and haven't looked back.
>>
>> So now I find myself an old cuss, fatter and weaker than ever, but I've 
>> never been happier with my bikes. My love for lugged steel has been 
>> rekindled (I'm also OK with fillet-brazed and even tig'd) and I seriously 
>> jones for small-volume American handbuilt frames from the '70s-'80s---a 
>> weird full-circle thing for me because some of these builders were 
>> customers of mine or show-buddies from my SunTour days. I made it to NAHBS 
>> in Richmond 2010 and Denver this year, also finally just made it to Cirque. 
>> Left behind a period-correct components phase and now often run semi-modern 
>> parts where it makes sense to me; also ride only spiky platform pedals 
>> these days, no more foot retention. 
>>
>> Although my riding mileage is still pitifully low, it's generally on a 
>> slow upswing. I re-connected with the Bicycle Touring Club of North Jersey 
>> (BTCNJ), which had a couple hundred members in '82 and now has a couple 
>> thousand, and getting back out on club rides has been fun. Not a lot of 
>> steel out there, though, especially higher-end steel. 
>>
>> Took a few piccies of the Riv today, did a flattish 25mi fixed ride 
>> w/500' of climbing, my legs are toast. Here's a small flickr set, you'll 
>> also find some other bikes, and some overly-large sets from NAHBS 2013 and 
>> Cirque:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/sets/72157633888172218/
>>
>> Looking forward to some Rivish dialog
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Jenny" the AHH made it on TV

[Michael]

>
> Your bar ends at:18 also.
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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

[Aaron Young]

Here's a link to the few photos I took:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sk8_or_die/sets/72157633916462224/

What a great ride!

Aaron Young
Vancouver, WA


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> No bugs.
>
> The CG was about 2.5 hours from both Seattle and Portland... You could
> absolutely do something like this in So Cal.
>
> Bikes were 3 Homers, 1 Sam, 1 Hunqapilar, and an LHT
>
> If anyone's interested in the details of where we were...
> Saturday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621380
> Sunday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621398
>
> There were other cameras... I'm sure more (and better) pics will surface.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:27:23 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle
>> vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp and
>> set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River for
>> about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike
>> talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some
>> hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a
>> spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after
>> dark.
>>
>>
>> In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he
>> got a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and
>> cleaning up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us
>> headed out to investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be
>> stopped by the snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being mostly
>> melted. We got crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40
>> mile loop. We implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward
>> despite not really knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to
>> cause you to be late getting home). The loop turned out to include a
>> spectacular 5 mile descent down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded
>> the bikes into the cars and headed our separate ways.
>>
>>
>> As for who "won" the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so
>> pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally
>> having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps
>> we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it.
>>
>>
>> My pics are here. 
>> 
>>
>>
>> The other guys will post theirs in the comments
>>
>>
>> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

[cyclotourist]

I'm more than happy to take your cast-offs!



Cheers,
David



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> they have a 40 and 45. Wait another month and you can have my 40's to see
> if you like them.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:18:52 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I didn't see anything other than the 35mm SS. So they have a 40 as well?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>>> my Schwalbe 700x40 Smart Sam's are 40.7 mm knob to knob on 23mm Salsa
>>> rims. The casing measures 38.5 mm
>>> They have nice side knobs and corner pretty good on dirt.  They're just
>>> OK on the pavement.  Wire bead and 540 gms.
>>>
>>> ~mike
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[RBW] RE: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[meade anderson]

Yup, that was 98 degrees on the computer but may not have been the
"official" temperature of the day but it was at least the lower 90s and the
first scorcher with humidity.  I had a gallon cooler filled with ice then
water.it's the only way to go.here's a picture of the set up from a ride
several years ago with the "carrying pannier".  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39037425@N00/4851524483

As for fruit, I tried bananas but they had little effect however Paul had
some apricots and they seemed to give him the energy of Lanc.'er some pro
rider.not sure from what in those apricots.maybe it had something to do with
who is better shape.

 

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

[Mike Schiller]

they have a 40 and 45. Wait another month and you can have my 40's to see 
if you like them. 

~mike

On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:18:52 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I didn't see anything other than the 35mm SS. So they have a 40 as well?
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> my Schwalbe 700x40 Smart Sam's are 40.7 mm knob to knob on 23mm Salsa 
>> rims. The casing measures 38.5 mm 
>> They have nice side knobs and corner pretty good on dirt.  They're just 
>> OK on the pavement.  Wire bead and 540 gms.
>>
>> ~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[Nick Worthington]

The VO 50.4 MK1 is a tight fit, which is apparently why they came out with 
the MK2.  I'm currently running my MK1, in 28/48, with the Microshift 
braze-on FD.  Was running it with an old Suntour vX.  Tolerance with both 
is tight - a few ratchet clicks either way - but the Microshift is holding 
its position better.  

Nick W

On Monday, June 3, 2013 3:49:01 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
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> I'm running a Velo Orange Grand Cru 50.4BCD crankset with a single 
> chainring (
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/grand-cru-50-4bcd-crankset-mkii.html)
>  
> on my Quickbeam, and I'm at a loss to see how it would work if there was a 
> derailleur in the mix. Even an old-style Campy Record "no lip" front mech 
> wouldn't fit in the very small gap between the chain and the crankarm.
>
> Mine is the first model, so perhaps they've addressed this issue in the 
> "MK II" version.
>
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

[cyclotourist]

I didn't see anything other than the 35mm SS. So they have a 40 as well?

Cheers,
David



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> my Schwalbe 700x40 Smart Sam's are 40.7 mm knob to knob on 23mm Salsa
> rims. The casing measures 38.5 mm
> They have nice side knobs and corner pretty good on dirt.  They're just OK
> on the pavement.  Wire bead and 540 gms.
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> ~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

[Mike Schiller]

my Schwalbe 700x40 Smart Sam's are 40.7 mm knob to knob on 23mm Salsa rims. 
The casing measures 38.5 mm 
They have nice side knobs and corner pretty good on dirt.  They're just OK 
on the pavement.  Wire bead and 540 gms.

~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[Hugh Smitham]

Garth,

I disagree the bug net I wore was fine to breath through while in exertion.

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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> Buy some cheap mesh at a camping store or some place and cut into a square
> and make a "bandanna" out of it and wear it bandido style :)
>
> There is no fabric that is going to breath well enough .
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[jimmy johnsen]

Yavo. The wheel set is 700c not 650b. Do you still want it
 


 From: yavo 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
  


Just give me the total and I can pay with Paypal.





On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, yavo  wrote:

It's 19046
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, jimmy johnsen  wrote:
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>Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping 
>>
>> 
>> From: yavo 
>>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>>Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
>>  
>>
>>
>>Hi there,
>>If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
>>Fred
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie  wrote:
>>
>>For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25 
>>miles. $85.00 shipped. 
>>>    Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear 
>>>cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been re 
>>>spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130. 
>>>Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual 
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[RBW] FS White Industries Wheelset Panceti Pari moto tires

[Matt Gilkey]

I'll take just the tires if they are available. Thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[jimmy johnsen]

This wheelset is not 650b, it is 700c
 


 From: yavo 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
  


Just give me the total and I can pay with Paypal.





On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, yavo  wrote:

It's 19046
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, jimmy johnsen  wrote:
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>Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping 
>>
>> 
>> From: yavo 
>>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>>Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
>>  
>>
>>
>>Hi there,
>>If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
>>Fred
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie  wrote:
>>
>>For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25 
>>miles. $85.00 shipped. 
>>>    Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear 
>>>cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been re 
>>>spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130. 
>>>Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual 
>>>shipping. Thanks for looking! 
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[RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[Garth]

Buy some cheap mesh at a camping store or some place and cut into a square 
and make a "bandanna" out of it and wear it bandido style :) 

There is no fabric that is going to breath well enough . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

[cyclotourist]

Hi Leslie, the Little BBs don't look like they have enough (any) side
knobs, and the SS are listed 35mm, so probably actually closer to 32 given
Schwalbe's inconsistency in sizing. I want a full 40, so the MSO is looking
good!

Cheers,
David



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Leslie  wrote:

> I'm pondering other tires too, at the moment;have you considered the
> Little Big Brown against the MSO and Happy Medium?   How about Schwalbe
> Sammy Slick?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49:09 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, obsessive-compulsive 650B riders, this is your moment to shine!!!
>>
>> You're right about the tire growth. My JB-Gs are @ 34 right now. At least
>> the rear is @ 65psi. Front @ 40psi is still right @ 33.3.
>>
>> I found it linked to a MSO review I was reading. I think I'm down to the
>> MSO and the Kenda Happy Medium to replace my ZEDs. Probably closer to the
>> Kendas at the moment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>>> good find David.  One issue with this data is that some tires grow with
>>> age. The JB Greens on my Coho are measuring 34.5 mm with abut 2000 miles on
>>> them on 20mm rims.  They were a 1.5mm narrower when I put them on.
>>>
>>> One big thing not well represented on the list are 650B tires... we need
>>> more variety!
>>>
>>> ~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[cyclotourist]

What Hugh said, although Patrick's version would be a nice back up option.

Cheers,
David



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Hi Tim this is what I used and it worked great:
> http://www.rei.com/product/799982/sea-to-summit-head-net-with-insect-shield 
> You
> can sort of see it draped over my hat in this pic:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8836388676/ I was able to
> breathe really well and I was able to removed and stuff into a pocket while
> riding. Highly recommended.
>
> Best,
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:49:50 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> On our recent So Cal Riv ride in the San Bernardino mountains, a couple
>> of the guys used full coverage bug nets.  They were able to don & doff them
>> as we hit patches of nats, then clear air.  An outdoor gear store is a
>> likely source.  Maybe Hugh or David will chime in with what they used.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:12:24 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I'm gonna pick up a so-called "buff", a neck/head tube made of
>>> stretchy thin material.  I have a cold right now, so my nose is exit-only,
>>> no easy breathing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
 I nose breathe all the time (except on climbs over 10,000 feet, where
 bugs are not a huge issue), and even then gnat clouds can give a lot more
 texture to the air than is preferable. But that's only an infrequent and
 short lived issue in the Colorado Rockies. Short of a "no-see-um" mesh
 bandana it's hard to know what would accomplish the task and be more
 breathable than a cotton one. Good luck!

 WIth abandon,
 Patrick


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>
> The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that
> tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I
> currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as 
> breathable
> as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.
>
> Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth,
> or just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  
> :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[jimmy johnsen]

Thanks. The total w. shipping is $170.00
 


 From: yavo 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
  


Just give me the total and I can pay with Paypal.





On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, yavo  wrote:

It's 19046
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, jimmy johnsen  wrote:
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>Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping 
>>
>> 
>> From: yavo 
>>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>>Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
>>  
>>
>>
>>Hi there,
>>If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
>>Fred
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie  wrote:
>>
>>For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25 
>>miles. $85.00 shipped. 
>>>    Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear 
>>>cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been re 
>>>spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130. 
>>>Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual 
>>>shipping. Thanks for looking! 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[yavo]

Just give me the total and I can pay with Paypal.



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, yavo  wrote:

> It's 19046
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, jimmy johnsen  wrote:
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>> Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping
>>
>>*From:* yavo 
>> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy
>> wheelset
>>
>> Hi there,
>> If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie  wrote:
>>
>> For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25
>> miles. $85.00 shipped.
>> Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear
>> cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been
>> re spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130.
>> Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual
>> shipping. Thanks for looking!
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[yavo]

It's 19046


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, jimmy johnsen  wrote:

> Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping
>
>*From:* yavo 
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy
> wheelset
>
> Hi there,
> If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
> Fred
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie  wrote:
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> For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25
> miles. $85.00 shipped.
> Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear
> cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been
> re spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130.
> Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[jimmy johnsen]

Sorry I forgot to ask your zip code so I can figure shipping
 


 From: yavo 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
  


Hi there,
If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
Fred




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For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25 miles. 
$85.00 shipped.
>    Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear 
>cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been re 
>spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130. Comes 
>w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual shipping. 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[jimmy johnsen]

The wheelset is still for sale. My Paypal is: moho1...@yahoo.com
 


 From: yavo 
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Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset
  


Hi there,
If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
Fred




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For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25 miles. 
$85.00 shipped.
>    Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear 
>cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been re 
>spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130. Comes 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[Ron Mc]

part of it is the 173mm Raleigh BB housing.  But yes, I put half steps with 
escape 47/42/26 - again, with 13-27 rear.  My daughter and I were climbing 
9-degree switchbacks a few weeks ago, and and both 26" gears which were 
very handy.  

On Monday, June 3, 2013 6:23:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It's satisfactory now and, frankly, even tho' my gears (44/30 X 
> 14-15-16-17-18-20-23) give me between 85" and 35", most of my riding is in 
> the middle cogs (60-64-70-74 is such a lovely progression), so chain rub is 
> far less of even a potential issue. Putting 10 cogs on would definitely 
> make adjustment harder.
>
> Oh, and 8 sp chain, btw.
>
> 126 mm bb? Mine is an asym 115 with the Ram's 132.5 rear spacing, and it 
> works fine. You must have a triple? 
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Ron Mc  >wrote:
>
>> Patrick, guess I got lucky with my Cyclotouriste. Never had a hitch with 
>> it, with a Shimano 600EX FD.  I did have to change my bottom bracket to get 
>> the chainline (to get the escape gear to clear the chainstay), and I used 
>> the SK 126mm.  Everything dialed right in on the first try, and never had 
>> an adjustment squirm.  
>>
>> 8.5mm sounds really really tight, because even the largest 9-speed chain 
>> is 6.8mm - add the cage thickness, and that only gives you about 2mm 
>> adjustment freedom in the FD.  
>> OK, I started measuring gaps.  - my cyclotouriste has 10mm.  Even my 
>> Campy "10-speed" Centaur crank has a 12mm gap there.  
>>
>> And here's the kicker.  My Nuovo Record crank would have 8.5 mm, but I 
>> have recent TA chainrings on it,and it has a 10mm gap between the chainring 
>> and the crankarm.  
>>
>> On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:06:21 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear 
>>> that the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an 
>>> old 7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is 
>>> that, at least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in 
>>> fd adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper 
>>> throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much 
>>> experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old 
>>> Stronglight 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was 
>>> always perfectly easy by comparison.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[PATRICK MOORE]

It's satisfactory now and, frankly, even tho' my gears (44/30 X
14-15-16-17-18-20-23) give me between 85" and 35", most of my riding is in
the middle cogs (60-64-70-74 is such a lovely progression), so chain rub is
far less of even a potential issue. Putting 10 cogs on would definitely
make adjustment harder.

Oh, and 8 sp chain, btw.

126 mm bb? Mine is an asym 115 with the Ram's 132.5 rear spacing, and it
works fine. You must have a triple?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Patrick, guess I got lucky with my Cyclotouriste. Never had a hitch with
> it, with a Shimano 600EX FD.  I did have to change my bottom bracket to get
> the chainline (to get the escape gear to clear the chainstay), and I used
> the SK 126mm.  Everything dialed right in on the first try, and never had
> an adjustment squirm.
>
> 8.5mm sounds really really tight, because even the largest 9-speed chain
> is 6.8mm - add the cage thickness, and that only gives you about 2mm
> adjustment freedom in the FD.
> OK, I started measuring gaps.  - my cyclotouriste has 10mm.  Even my Campy
> "10-speed" Centaur crank has a 12mm gap there.
>
> And here's the kicker.  My Nuovo Record crank would have 8.5 mm, but I
> have recent TA chainrings on it,and it has a 10mm gap between the chainring
> and the crankarm.
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:06:21 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear
>> that the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an
>> old 7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is
>> that, at least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in
>> fd adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper
>> throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much
>> experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old
>> Stronglight 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was
>> always perfectly easy by comparison.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[PATRICK MOORE]

My setup is made easier because I am running only 7 cogs with spacers at
front and back. (Segue: with a spacer just behind the lockring, you can use
any size cog as the "outer". I plan to build a 18-20-22-24-27-30-34 six
speed to use with a 53 t inner. Just kidding, but the 14-23 is great.) Even
with 7, the chain on the 14 comes close to rubbing the cage. (But that's
such a high gear (44/14X27=85") that I hardly ever use it.)

Question (serious one): how does the quality (as far as you can tell) and
the look of the VO crankset compare to the Pro 5 Vis?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I'm running a Velo Orange Grand Cru 50.4BCD crankset with a single
> chainring (
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/grand-cru-50-4bcd-crankset-mkii.html)
> on my Quickbeam, and I'm at a loss to see how it would work if there was a
> derailleur in the mix. Even an old-style Campy Record "no lip" front mech
> wouldn't fit in the very small gap between the chain and the crankarm.
>
> Mine is the first model, so perhaps they've addressed this issue in the
> "MK II" version.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
> On Jun 3, 2013, at 3:06 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear that
> the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an old
> 7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is that,
> at least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in fd
> adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper
> throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much
> experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old
> Stronglight 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was
> always perfectly easy by comparison.
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
>> It's my understanding that modern front derailleurs have relatively wide
>> cages to allow for a greater range of chain angles without rubbing the
>> chain, which leads to clearance issues with older, narrow-Q cranks.
>> Perhaps using a vintage derailleur of some kind might help?
>>
>> -jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:45:22 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> My new Saluki came with a classy, classic Specialized crank.  But I kept
>>> hearing a little clicking noise when in the big ring.  Eventually I figured
>>> out that the crank arm was just grazing the edge of the (Campy Triple) FD.
>>>  Adjusting it made it graze the chain. I went back and forth with this a
>>> couple of times.  Stared at it and considered raising the FD a couple of
>>> mm.  Then I measured the difference between the tooth and the inside of the
>>> arm - 8.5mm.  Raising the FD should align it next to a thinner part of the
>>> arm but would also degrade shifting.
>>>
>>> I went around the shop measuring all the cranks on my and my wives
>>> bikes.  Here's what I got:
>>>
>>> Shimano 600 -10mm
>>> Alpina 11.5
>>> Ultegra 11.5
>>> White VBC - 15mm
>>> DaVinci - 15mm
>>>
>>> Any suggestions, short of grinding the back of the arm?
>>>
>>> michael
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[yavo]

Hi there,
If the wheel set is still available, I'll take it.
Fred


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:49 AM, hobie  wrote:

> For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25
> miles. $85.00 shipped.
> Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear
> cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been
> re spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130.
> Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy wheelset

[Rob H.]

the whole enchilada, wheelest and the tires together.

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:47:27 AM UTC-7, hobie wrote:
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> Rob what are you interested in?
>
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> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: Like new Riv Jack Browns and Velocity Synergy 
> wheelset
>  
> hobie, i'm interested. PM me!
>
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> For sale: A pair of like new Rivendell Jack Browns Green label ridden 25 
> miles. $85.00 shipped.
> Also have a pair of Velocity Synergy's 32 hole o/s rear 
> cassette, 32 hole 100mm front laced to Shimano Tiagra hubs, rear has been 
> re spaced w. a washer to approx. 132.5mm so it will fit either 135 or 130. 
> Comes w. Velox rim tape also. Hardly used set of wheels. $130. plus actual 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[Ron Mc]

I was able to run the FD really snug, with half step chainrings, 46/41, 
which was a nice combination on a 6-speed rear.  
The thin TA 144 bcd chainrings added significant gap.  



My daughter is about to build up an old Team Fuji frame this summer, and 
she gets this crankset, but with 52/ 41.  I have the 46T outer hanging on a 
peg in the garage, in near-perfect shape.  

Here is the cyclotouriste, which also required the Cyclone GT derailleur 
for chain wrap.






On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:53:15 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Patrick, guess I got lucky with my Cyclotouriste. Never had a hitch with 
> it, with a Shimano 600EX FD.  I did have to change my bottom bracket to get 
> the chainline (to get the escape gear to clear the chainstay), and I used 
> the SK 126mm.  Everything dialed right in on the first try, and never had 
> an adjustment squirm.  
>
> 8.5mm sounds really really tight, because even the largest 9-speed chain 
> is 6.8mm - add the cage thickness, and that only gives you about 2mm 
> adjustment freedom in the FD.  
> OK, I started measuring gaps.  - my cyclotouriste has 10mm.  Even my Campy 
> "10-speed" Centaur crank has a 12mm gap there.  
>
> And here's the kicker.  My Nuovo Record crank would have 8.5 mm, but I 
> have recent TA chainrings on it,and it has a 10mm gap between the chainring 
> and the crankarm.  
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:06:21 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear 
>> that the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an 
>> old 7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is 
>> that, at least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in 
>> fd adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper 
>> throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much 
>> experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old 
>> Stronglight 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was 
>> always perfectly easy by comparison.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[Ron Mc]

Patrick, guess I got lucky with my Cyclotouriste. Never had a hitch with 
it, with a Shimano 600EX FD.  I did have to change my bottom bracket to get 
the chainline (to get the escape gear to clear the chainstay), and I used 
the SK 126mm.  Everything dialed right in on the first try, and never had 
an adjustment squirm.  

8.5mm sounds really really tight, because even the largest 9-speed chain is 
6.8mm - add the cage thickness, and that only gives you about 2mm 
adjustment freedom in the FD.  
OK, I started measuring gaps.  - my cyclotouriste has 10mm.  Even my Campy 
"10-speed" Centaur crank has a 12mm gap there.  

And here's the kicker.  My Nuovo Record crank would have 8.5 mm, but I have 
recent TA chainrings on it,and it has a 10mm gap between the chainring and 
the crankarm.  

On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:06:21 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear that 
> the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an old 
> 7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is that, 
> at least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in fd 
> adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper 
> throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much 
> experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old 
> Stronglight 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was 
> always perfectly easy by comparison.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[Eric Norris]

I'm running a Velo Orange Grand Cru 50.4BCD crankset with a single chainring 
(http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/grand-cru-50-4bcd-crankset-mkii.html)
 on my Quickbeam, and I'm at a loss to see how it would work if there was a 
derailleur in the mix. Even an old-style Campy Record "no lip" front mech 
wouldn't fit in the very small gap between the chain and the crankarm.

Mine is the first model, so perhaps they've addressed this issue in the "MK II" 
version.

--Eric Norris
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On Jun 3, 2013, at 3:06 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear that 
> the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an old 
> 7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is that, at 
> least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in fd 
> adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper 
> throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much 
> experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old Stronglight 
> 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was always 
> perfectly easy by comparison.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> It's my understanding that modern front derailleurs have relatively wide 
> cages to allow for a greater range of chain angles without rubbing the chain, 
> which leads to clearance issues with older, narrow-Q cranks.  Perhaps using a 
> vintage derailleur of some kind might help?
> 
> -jeremy
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:45:22 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> My new Saluki came with a classy, classic Specialized crank.  But I kept 
> hearing a little clicking noise when in the big ring.  Eventually I figured 
> out that the crank arm was just grazing the edge of the (Campy Triple) FD.  
> Adjusting it made it graze the chain. I went back and forth with this a 
> couple of times.  Stared at it and considered raising the FD a couple of mm.  
> Then I measured the difference between the tooth and the inside of the arm - 
> 8.5mm.  Raising the FD should align it next to a thinner part of the arm but 
> would also degrade shifting. 
> 
> I went around the shop measuring all the cranks on my and my wives bikes.  
> Here's what I got:
> 
> Shimano 600 -10mm
> Alpina 11.5
> Ultegra 11.5
> White VBC - 15mm
> DaVinci - 15mm
> 
> Any suggestions, short of grinding the back of the arm?
> 
> michael
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crank Design

[PATRICK MOORE]

The test case for such a narrow gap is the old TA Pro 5 Vis -- I hear that
the new ones have a wider gap. I have an old one on the Ram and use an old
7400 Dura Ace FD, which works fine. The downside, such as it is, is that,
at least with the small gap on the TA, it requires great precision in fd
adjustment to ensure, together, proper angle, proper height, and proper
throw, and, at least for me, I reached this precision only through much
experiment. Installing an old early '90s XT drivetrain, or an old
Stronglight 99 with any '80s or '90s road derailleur, on the contrary, was
always perfectly easy by comparison.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> It's my understanding that modern front derailleurs have relatively wide
> cages to allow for a greater range of chain angles without rubbing the
> chain, which leads to clearance issues with older, narrow-Q cranks.
> Perhaps using a vintage derailleur of some kind might help?
>
> -jeremy
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:45:22 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> My new Saluki came with a classy, classic Specialized crank.  But I kept
>> hearing a little clicking noise when in the big ring.  Eventually I figured
>> out that the crank arm was just grazing the edge of the (Campy Triple) FD.
>>  Adjusting it made it graze the chain. I went back and forth with this a
>> couple of times.  Stared at it and considered raising the FD a couple of
>> mm.  Then I measured the difference between the tooth and the inside of the
>> arm - 8.5mm.  Raising the FD should align it next to a thinner part of the
>> arm but would also degrade shifting.
>>
>> I went around the shop measuring all the cranks on my and my wives bikes.
>>  Here's what I got:
>>
>> Shimano 600 -10mm
>> Alpina 11.5
>> Ultegra 11.5
>> White VBC - 15mm
>> DaVinci - 15mm
>>
>> Any suggestions, short of grinding the back of the arm?
>>
>> michael
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[RBW] Sam or Betty/Yves Winner!

[Liesl]

The winner is A.R. of Atlanta!  Are you out there on this list?  
Congratulations from one winner to another!
-Riv Chica Warrior

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[RBW] Mid-May Tour

[Robert Kirkpatrick]

I took my Atlantis out for a "Micro-Tour" during a run of super nice days here 
in Washington a couple of weeks back. I've been pretty slack on my writeup and 
posting my photos, but I've finally got it all post.  So for those interested 
here is the index to the trip report:
http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/?p=3208

The above post has links each day's report and pictures as well as a link to 
the complete photoset on Flickr. But for direct access to the proof, here is 
said set on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157633504202878/

cheers,
Robert

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[RBW] Re: Crank Design

[William]

Jeremy is right.  You could try to squish the outer cage of your FD or get 
one that has a flatter outer cage to start with.  Old front derailers are a 
dime a dozen, so you should be able to try lots of things on the cheap.  My 
mid 80s Stumpjumper has a Deore deer head front der and that same crankset. 
 Works nice.  



On Monday, June 3, 2013 1:25:12 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> It's my understanding that modern front derailleurs have relatively wide 
> cages to allow for a greater range of chain angles without rubbing the 
> chain, which leads to clearance issues with older, narrow-Q cranks.  
> Perhaps using a vintage derailleur of some kind might help?
>
> -jeremy
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:45:22 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> My new Saluki came with a classy, classic Specialized crank.  But I kept 
>> hearing a little clicking noise when in the big ring.  Eventually I figured 
>> out that the crank arm was just grazing the edge of the (Campy Triple) FD. 
>>  Adjusting it made it graze the chain. I went back and forth with this a 
>> couple of times.  Stared at it and considered raising the FD a couple of 
>> mm.  Then I measured the difference between the tooth and the inside of the 
>> arm - 8.5mm.  Raising the FD should align it next to a thinner part of the 
>> arm but would also degrade shifting. 
>>
>> I went around the shop measuring all the cranks on my and my wives bikes. 
>>  Here's what I got:
>>
>> Shimano 600 -10mm
>> Alpina 11.5
>> Ultegra 11.5
>> White VBC - 15mm
>> DaVinci - 15mm
>>
>> Any suggestions, short of grinding the back of the arm?
>>
>> michael
>>
>>

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RE: [RBW] FS White Industries Wheelset Panceti Pari moto tires

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Pic marked private

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Trevor saxton
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:45 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] FS White Industries Wheelset Panceti Pari moto tires

Also up for sale is a 650b white Industries wheelset with less than 100 miles 
on them, these were handbuilt by longleaf bicycles and the rear hub was 
modified to 135mm rear spacing, seriously need to clean out my basement so 
these are up as well, I have another up and whichever sells first will go the 
others will be keepers.

Perfectly Round and True

Panceti Pari moto tires and tubes will go with as well as SRAM lighweight 9spd 
cassette 11-34 from Rivendell.

Asking $600 plus shipping. Payment via paypal

Pics below

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78462625@N07/sets/72157633906162029/

Email me offline if interested
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[RBW] FS White Industries Wheelset Panceti Pari moto tires

[Trevor saxton]

Also up for sale is a 650b white Industries wheelset with less than 100 
miles on them, these were handbuilt by longleaf bicycles and the rear hub 
was modified to 135mm rear spacing, seriously need to clean out my basement 
so these are up as well, I have another up and whichever sells first will 
go the others will be keepers.  

Perfectly Round and True

Panceti Pari moto tires and tubes will go with as well as SRAM lighweight 
9spd cassette 11-34 from Rivendell. 

Asking $600 plus shipping. Payment via paypal 

Pics below

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78462625@N07/sets/72157633906162029/

Email me offline if interested

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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Matt Beebe]

There is no consistent frequency for leather treatment, since the condition 
of the leather depends on so many variables.   The foremost consideration 
is probably how often you ride your bike, but also whether your bike spends 
a lot of time outdoors, climate, etc. I think the best policy is to 
just go by the appearance of the leather.When it starts to appear dry 
(the color/texture begins to look mottled, and the leather has no 'pull up' 
or does not discolor at all when you press on it, it may be time for a 
little sparing treatment.  Also, if you have an old saddle and no 
proofide (or ran out), you can make your own conditioner with beeswax and 
vegetable oil.

Matt



On Monday, June 3, 2013 3:40:16 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> maybe to extend joes question, when should you use proofide, I have a 10 
> year old, 6 year old and 3 year old (berthoud) and have neglected to 
> proofide any of them. I do get caught in the rain every now and then. 
> Should I. E doing it on a regular basis?
>
> And joe having seen a select I was wondering about that too, are you 
> supposed to proofide it first thing after taking it out of the box?  Wait 
> until a few rides?
>

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[RBW] Re: Crank Design

[Jeremy Till]

It's my understanding that modern front derailleurs have relatively wide 
cages to allow for a greater range of chain angles without rubbing the 
chain, which leads to clearance issues with older, narrow-Q cranks.  
Perhaps using a vintage derailleur of some kind might help?

-jeremy

On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:45:22 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> My new Saluki came with a classy, classic Specialized crank.  But I kept 
> hearing a little clicking noise when in the big ring.  Eventually I figured 
> out that the crank arm was just grazing the edge of the (Campy Triple) FD. 
>  Adjusting it made it graze the chain. I went back and forth with this a 
> couple of times.  Stared at it and considered raising the FD a couple of 
> mm.  Then I measured the difference between the tooth and the inside of the 
> arm - 8.5mm.  Raising the FD should align it next to a thinner part of the 
> arm but would also degrade shifting. 
>
> I went around the shop measuring all the cranks on my and my wives bikes. 
>  Here's what I got:
>
> Shimano 600 -10mm
> Alpina 11.5
> Ultegra 11.5
> White VBC - 15mm
> DaVinci - 15mm
>
> Any suggestions, short of grinding the back of the arm?
>
> michael
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 12:20 -0700, WETH wrote:
> Great photos and write-up.  We are still waiting for the cicadas in my part 
> of Maryland.  Guess I better get ready to share my rides with them!

Not necessarily.  There are large areas that have been skipped this year
that 17 years ago were teeming with cicadas.



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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Christian]

The cicadas in Albemarle Co., as seen in various pics here 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/ (Albemarle Co., not cicadas) have been 
deafening in places. They've yet to emerge fully but when I first began to 
really hear them a couple of weeks ago it was creepy--as if being followed.  
Now, I'm used to it. I remember in 1986 the cicadas were so thick on the 
streets that you could skid on them as if on ice. 

Meade: I've got to get down to Scottsville. Let me know next time you're around 
and I'll try and ride down there.  

Christian 

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[RBW] Re: New Tektro TRP Levers - Review

[RoadieRyan]

Thanks for the review, and the prayer, I have a set of these on a partially 
built up Velo Orange Rando frame but have not used them yet so its nice to 
hear good things about them.  I found them for a semi reasonable price at 
ebikestop.com but I agree they are on the spendy side.  I was was spending 
like a drunken sailor when I put together that build ;-)

Ryan

On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:34:05 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I splurged on the new Levers with Gum hoods.  I had to swallow a bit on 
> the price, especially since you can get the older style Cane Creek version 
> with gum hoods for a third the price.  I have no regrets.
>
> The levers come with a little insert that goes under the hood, depending 
> on where on the bars you want them - and an instructional picture that was 
> useless.  It was a little awkward getting that on but after that the 
> installation was a snap.  The brake cable goes over the lever and you get a 
> really good view of the hole you are trying to hit.  That's important for 
> my old eyes. 
>
> The levers are very comfortable, perhaps a tad narrower than the ones they 
> replaced but very pleasing to my hands, both sitting and standing.  They 
> pull a lot of cable, which makes set up with canti brakes very simple. They 
> have a very light touch and a nice feature on the quick release.  Instead 
> of resetting the QR pin manually these automatically reset when you 
> compress the lever.  Again nice for us old guys who often say the Senility 
> Prayer:
>
> God grant that I only forget the people I don't like, only bump into the 
> ones I do, and the eye sight to tell them apart.
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store NOW OPEN.

[William]

I've already received my order:  One patch, two buttons, and two pins.  All 
received in fine condition.  Super fun. 

On Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:15:32 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> OK...so after a very overwhelming response...(THANK YOU!!)...I put my wife 
> and daughter to work getting everything packed, labeled, stamped, AND 
> decorated for voyage across the land!
>
> Learning curve is still in motion but I think we got it down. We did end 
> up having to reopen and audit 60 packages after what we will call "the 
> chocolate milk incident" that caused some disruption here at the factory. 
> That said, we only identified one error and made correction. ;) If 
> something is off, hit me up.
>
> Patches sold out. I even came up one short and sent mine to fill it. I'll 
> get more.
>
> Some have made direct inquires that I will respond to once I get the paid 
> orders sorted. Stay tuned.
>
> Everything I have orders for as of 4:09 PM Saturday 6/1/13 will be on the 
> road Monday.
>
> I would like to gauge the interest in the T-shirts.
>

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[RBW] Re: Dropping by the Riv HQ for a test ride and clipless pedals?

[Tony]

I was there earlier this year and a rider was taking a demo out for a ride 
up Diablo doing just what you are planning. 
 
Tony

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:17:58 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:

> Thinking of biking over and checking them out.  Will I end up getting the 
> stink eye and have to enter a big debate if I ask them to put switch over 
> my clipless pedals to a bike for a test ride?

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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Minh]

maybe to extend joes question, when should you use proofide, I have a 10 year 
old, 6 year old and 3 year old (berthoud) and have neglected to proofide any of 
them. I do get caught in the rain every now and then. Should I. E doing it on a 
regular basis?

And joe having seen a select I was wondering about that too, are you supposed 
to proofide it first thing after taking it out of the box?  Wait until a few 
rides?

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[RBW] Re: Dropping by the Riv HQ for a test ride and clipless pedals?

[Joe Bernard]

Being that cyclocross racer and clipless user Mark Abele works there, I 
think you'll be fine :)

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:17:58 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:

> Thinking of biking over and checking them out.  Will I end up getting the 
> stink eye and have to enter a big debate if I ask them to put switch over 
> my clipless pedals to a bike for a test ride?

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[RBW] New Tektro TRP Levers - Review

[WETH]

Michael, I enjoyed the Senility Prayer.  It is a new one to me, but similar to 
one of my other favorites:
May those who love us, love us.
And those who don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if He doesn't turn their hearts,
May He turn their ankles,
So we will know them by their limping.

A more creative spirit than I will be able to adapt these both to cycling!
PS: thanks for the brake lever write-up.

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[RBW] Re: Dropping by the Riv HQ for a test ride and clipless pedals?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Uhhh... No.

As long as you don't try to convince them that they need to change, it's 
unlikely you'll get anything more pointed than good-natured guff.  

Of course, if you slip and fall on the highly polished marble floors while 
wearing your cleats, you won't be able to file suit.

"Just Ride"!  

;^)

- Jim

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:17:58 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Thinking of biking over and checking them out.  Will I end up getting the 
> stink eye and have to enter a big debate if I ask them to put switch over 
> my clipless pedals to a bike for a test ride?

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[WETH]

Great photos and write-up.  We are still waiting for the cicadas in my part of 
Maryland.  Guess I better get ready to share my rides with them!

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[RBW] Re: A little taste of the Riv magic via a Grant Petersen inspired bicycle

[Chris Lampe 2]

On Friday, May 24, 2013 8:39:29 PM UTC-5, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> Chris
>
> I would love to see your Devil but I couldn't get your link to load.  I am 
> a fan of the Devil having bought a frameset in 2009 and its been through 
> many iterations since.  Its my go to daily driver and its current 
> incarnation is as a 1x9 with 700x47cs
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/sets/72157633634189317/ 
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:37:24 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I was introduced to Rivendell Bicycle Works and Grant Petersen's writings 
>> almost two years ago and was very intrigued.  I bought my first adult 
>> bicycle, a Trek Multitrack, in 1995 and rode it for twelve years and then 
>> gave it to my dad and bought a 2007 Trek 7.2 FX.  I was riding the FX when 
>> I discovered RBW and because I wanted to test some of Grant's ideas, I gave 
>> the 7.2 to my dad and got my old Multitrack back from him.  I rode it for a 
>> bit and discovered it was too small so I started watching Craigslist for a 
>> replacement and about 3 months later I scored the same year and model 
>> Multitrack in a larger size.  
>>  
>> I've spent the last year or so upgrading different components on that 
>> bike and reading about frame geometry and comparing  that to the ride 
>> characteristics of my bike.  I quickly discovered that my bike had too much 
>> trail so I bought a new fork with 1cm more rake and dropped the trail from 
>> 74 to 66mm.  This was a vast improvement.  I also decided I wanted to try 
>> longer chainstays, a lower bottom bracket and even lower trail so I started 
>> searching for appropriate frames and finally found the Handsome Devil.  
>>  
>> Handsome Cycles was started in Minneapolis by a couple of guys who work 
>> in a bike shop where there is a great deal of reverence for Bridgestone 
>> bicycles.  With Grant's blessing they recreated the XO-1 and then designed 
>> the Devil as a 700c version of the XO-1.  
>>  
>> The Devil has 73 degree seat and head tube angles, a 45mm rake fork 
>> (trail of 60), chainstays of 43.6 + cm, and 70mm of bottom bracket drop.  
>> The Devil's trail is right where Grant has stated he likes it, the bottom 
>> bracket is higher by Rivendell standards but lower than what I was riding 
>> and the chainstays came out to 44.5 cm with the forward facing dropouts.  
>> All of my bikes have had 73 degree seat tube angles so the more shallow 
>> angles are still an area to be explored for me.  Otherwise, this bike is a 
>> solid middle-ground between what I was riding and a Hunqapillar.  In fact, 
>> it has the same basic geometry as the Legolas and the 1994 Bridgestone 
>> RB-T.  
>>  
>> I've only ridden it a couple of miles but my initial impressions are very 
>> positive.  I don't feel a huge difference from the additional chainstay 
>> length but the bike feels much more stable and smooth and surprisingly, the 
>> front end feels more stable with 60mm of trail than it did with 66mm of 
>> trail.  The overall stability I attribute to the lower bottom bracket (an 
>> maybe the longer chainstays) and the more stable feeling front-end I'm 
>> guessing is a result of 60mm of trail being in the so-called "neutral 
>> steering" range.  I know I never would have take my hands off the 
>> handlebars of my Trek but I was completely comfortable riding this bike 
>> with no hands.  
>>  
>> The plan now is to eventually make my way out to RBW headquarters so I 
>> can actually test ride a Hunqapillar.  If the ride quality improvement from 
>> the Devil to the Hunqapillar is equal to the improvement from the Trek to 
>> the Devil, I'll set my sights on eventually getting the Hunq.  
>>  
>> Specs:
>>  
>> 55cm Handsome Devil
>> Deore 48/36/26 crankset
>> 11-28 9-speed cassette
>> Deore V-brakes
>> Velocity Dyad rims
>> Schwalbe 40mm Dureme tires
>>  
>> [URL=
>> http://smg.photobucket.com/user/corwin1968/media/IMG_1303_zps570fc2fa.jpg.html][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/corwin1968/IMG_1303_zps570fc2fa.jpg[/IMG][/URL
>> ]
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[RBW] Dropping by the Riv HQ for a test ride and clipless pedals?

[Daniel D.]

Thinking of biking over and checking them out.  Will I end up getting the 
stink eye and have to enter a big debate if I ask them to put switch over 
my clipless pedals to a bike for a test ride?

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[RBW] FS-650b Wheelset, Tires and Tubes, Phil Rivy

[Trevor saxton]

Up for sale is a perfect commuter wheel set, less than 50 miles on these 
wheels, both purchased from Rivendell

Rear Wheel is the gem 

Phil Rivy Hub 32h laced to a Velocity Synergy Rim, This is a Rich Hand 
Built and retails for $395.

Front is ok Tiagara Hub 32h laced to a Velocity Synergy Rim - purchased 
from Rivendell factory built

Both wheels are true and round,  The rIvy hub was spaced for 6spd meaning 
absolutely dishless.  

I will also include the Col de Vie tires pictured and tubes. 

Looking for $400 plus shipping (for US figure around $50-60 shipping cost, 
Canada about $35), pay pal preferred.

On the Rivy hub you will notice a single speed freewheel as I was running 
it 2x1 with a paul Melvin, I will leave that on its easy to take off, was 
greased up, if interested I will throw in the Melvin for $50 no extra 
shipping costs. 

Since I am shipping anyways, again if interested I will throw in Moustache 
Handlebars for $35.  I get clobbered on shipping them separately.

Attached are photos 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78462625@N07/sets/72157633907756048/

Message offline if interested

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[RBW] White horse tavern

[Michael Hechmer]

I went looking at the Riv Blug to see if I had perhaps won a Betty for 
 Patty.  As I scanned down the post on old crowns I came to a picture of 
the White Horse Tavern in NYC.  I used to drink there when I was an 
undergraduate back in the 60's.  There was a waitress who always wore 
backless dresses.  It made me want to order another Black & Tan just to see 
her walk away!

Michael

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[RBW] Crank Design

[Michael Hechmer]

My new Saluki came with a classy, classic Specialized crank.  But I kept 
hearing a little clicking noise when in the big ring.  Eventually I figured 
out that the crank arm was just grazing the edge of the (Campy Triple) FD. 
 Adjusting it made it graze the chain. I went back and forth with this a 
couple of times.  Stared at it and considered raising the FD a couple of 
mm.  Then I measured the difference between the tooth and the inside of the 
arm - 8.5mm.  Raising the FD should align it next to a thinner part of the 
arm but would also degrade shifting. 

I went around the shop measuring all the cranks on my and my wives bikes. 
 Here's what I got:

Shimano 600 -10mm
Alpina 11.5
Ultegra 11.5
White VBC - 15mm
DaVinci - 15mm

Any suggestions, short of grinding the back of the arm?

michael

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[RBW] New Tektro TRP Levers - Review

[Michael Hechmer]

I splurged on the new Levers with Gum hoods.  I had to swallow a bit on the 
price, especially since you can get the older style Cane Creek version with 
gum hoods for a third the price.  I have no regrets.

The levers come with a little insert that goes under the hood, depending on 
where on the bars you want them - and an instructional picture that was 
useless.  It was a little awkward getting that on but after that the 
installation was a snap.  The brake cable goes over the lever and you get a 
really good view of the hole you are trying to hit.  That's important for 
my old eyes. 

The levers are very comfortable, perhaps a tad narrower than the ones they 
replaced but very pleasing to my hands, both sitting and standing.  They 
pull a lot of cable, which makes set up with canti brakes very simple. They 
have a very light touch and a nice feature on the quick release.  Instead 
of resetting the QR pin manually these automatically reset when you 
compress the lever.  Again nice for us old guys who often say the Senility 
Prayer:

God grant that I only forget the people I don't like, only bump into the 
ones I do, and the eye sight to tell them apart.
Michael

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[RBW] New-to-Me Saluki

[Michael Hechmer]

Really enjoying this bike!I bought a new Ram in 2005 and after 25 years 
of riding didn't ever expect to have a bike I enjoyed riding more than the 
Ram, but this Saluki is challenging that.  For years I read the posts and 
claims for the benefits of 650B, in this case Pari-Moto's, with some 
skepticism but wanting to try it out for myself.  I still love riding the 
Ram and it does quite well even on dirt roads with Grand Bois Cerf tires 
but the extra comfort factor definitely goes with the Saluki.  The Ram is 
lighter, a little (but not too much) quicker on acceleration and climbing, 
while the Saluki is a bit more stable.  Equal in the speed category.  They 
both downhill fabulously but the wider tires give more confidence. Saluki's 
longer TT completely eliminates the slight TCO I get with fenders on the 
Ram.  Biggest problem has been deciding which bike to ride but both bikes 
very quickly feel like extensions of my mind.

Here are some pics: https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODW4XTk4

I rode the bike as it came to me for a few weeks but knew I would need a 
shorter stem, so had to sacrifice a gorgeous 13 cm Pearl. (FS) I also liked 
the  Mafac Levers.  They are well made, very handsome, comfortable, 
especially standing up, and work great; but I decided I didn't want to go 
back to non-aero levers.  I kept trying to rest my water bottle on the bars 
and found the cable in the way.  So I figured while I had the cockpit torn 
apart I would swap out the 8 speed BE Shimano for 9 speed DT Silver.  Also 
nice Superbe pedals were too small so my White/Bruce Gordon went on.  But 
they may get replaced with Speedplay Frogs.  I've never gotten 100% into 
Riv clipless riding.

I'm going to post a separate review of the new levers and a question about 
a small quirk in the Specialized cranks. 

Michael 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[hsmitham]

Hi Tim this is what I used and it worked great: 
http://www.rei.com/product/799982/sea-to-summit-head-net-with-insect-shield You 
can sort of see it draped over my hat in this pic: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8836388676/ I was able to breathe 
really well and I was able to removed and stuff into a pocket while riding. 
Highly recommended.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:49:50 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> On our recent So Cal Riv ride in the San Bernardino mountains, a couple of 
> the guys used full coverage bug nets.  They were able to don & doff them as 
> we hit patches of nats, then clear air.  An outdoor gear store is a likely 
> source.  Maybe Hugh or David will chime in with what they used.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:12:24 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I think I'm gonna pick up a so-called "buff", a neck/head tube made of 
>> stretchy thin material.  I have a cold right now, so my nose is exit-only, 
>> no easy breathing.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> I nose breathe all the time (except on climbs over 10,000 feet, where 
>>> bugs are not a huge issue), and even then gnat clouds can give a lot more 
>>> texture to the air than is preferable. But that's only an infrequent and 
>>> short lived issue in the Colorado Rockies. Short of a "no-see-um" mesh 
>>> bandana it's hard to know what would accomplish the task and be more 
>>> breathable than a cotton one. Good luck!
>>>
>>> WIth abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:53:54 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

 The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that 
 tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I 
 currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as 
 breathable 
 as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.

 Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, 
 or just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  
 :-)

 Thanks,
 Tim

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[RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[Deacon Patrick]

This would do it...
http://duluthpack.com/sea-to-summit-mosquito-head-net.html

On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:53:54 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that 
> tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I 
> currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as breathable 
> as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.
>
> Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, or 
> just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Ron Mc]

on a 35-mi ride yesterday, we stopped for fresh peaches at a shady roadside 
stand.  It was like manna from heaven.  
We made a pilgrimage to a country bike shop to see a really nice Hetchins. 
 And yes, there was also a brewpub on the way home.  

On Monday, June 3, 2013 2:31:10 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Meade,
>
> Was that 98F on the cyclo-computer? If so I know that feeling, Saturday 
> rode 40 miles in near 100F weather drank lots of water. Great ride 
> description and all the pics were fantastic.
>
> Best,
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 8:34:04 PM UTC-7, Meade Anderson wrote:
>>
>>  Saturday, Dan, Paul, and I took off from historic Scottsville with a 
>> general route plan in mind, nothing set other than to go down one side of 
>> the James River, cross somewhere and to return to Scottsville and then 
>> swing into the James River Brewery for a quick post ride recovery 
>> beverage.  We had hardly gotten started but the constant hum of the Brood 2 
>> of the 17 year cicadas began and stuck with us all day.  The critters were 
>> humming, flying around, and catching rides on the bikes and one even 
>> managed to get into Dan’s helmet. We ended up taking the Hatton Ferry, the 
>> last non-motorized cable ferry in the US across the river; I had tried to 
>> catch the ferry for years but low water, high water, not operating, 
>> mechanical or whatever and always thwarted this river crossing.  So it was 
>> all of our first crossing at this historic ferry and Paul even knew the 
>> ferryman, Craig…great experience and addition to a bike ride…we crawled up 
>> the hill into Buckingham County from the river bottom and somewhere along 
>> the way decided to make Yogaville our destination.  The heat made us feel 
>> like we were on a pilgrimage through India but a picnic pavilion at a 
>> country church complete with ceiling fans made lunch much more 
>> pleasurable.  The Lotus Shire at Yogaville with its pastel colors is always 
>> an interesting sight in rural Buckingham County and quite a contrast to the 
>> usual local color.  We paid our respects and got an all too brief respite 
>> from the heat and sun and then had to hightail it back toward Scottsville 
>> because I had a dinner schedule to meet.  Well, the nasty hot headwind we 
>> had been fighting all day didn’t do a 180 on us but remained constant, 
>> steady and strong at our backs.  We buzzed through Glenmore and grabbed a 
>> quick break for water and calories and then hit the pavement again.  My 
>> route hopped onto Route 20 for just a short distance but the traffic so 
>> fairly low and the wind perfectly behind us so we opted for speed over 
>> scenery and must have averaged about 21 +/- mph (at times much more) most 
>> of the rest of the ride which was way above our average so far.  We rolled 
>> into Scottsville, threw the bikes on the car and headed straight to the 
>> best recent additional in Scottsville, the James River Brewery to sample 
>> their finest and catch some music in their beer garden. Following are a few 
>> shots from all three of us…at times different then at times amazingly 
>> duplicative.   Bike content, we were spinning on a Bilenky, a Rivendell, 
>> and a Salsa…and all wearing Keen biking sandals…
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFEAs7R
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157633888398734/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157633891135960/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Meade Anderson
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>  
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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

[Deacon Patrick]

This is fascinating! I see all kinds of wildlife running trails. Running 
barefoot or in moccasins is so quiet they just don't hear me coming. I've 
jumped over rabbits, foxes, turkey and nearly run into deer and bear. I see 
much less on my bike. Tires make a lot of noise in comparison to bare feet. 
It's also interesting that many of the wildlife photos are in urban 
settings -- perhaps the animals are accustomed to ignoring human noise, 
peddles cranking, tires on dirt, etc.?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:17:00 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
> Would love to see if anyone snapped a pic showing their Rivendell with a 
> wild animal in the frame.
> I thought it would make for an interesting thread.
>  
> I got a deer today. Not so wild, but wild. iPhone did okay. But wish I had 
> my camera. Gotta start taking it on rides.
> The deer stood there as I passed him, and stayed as I fumbled around 
> getting the phone outta my bag. Started leaving as I got the pics taken. A 
> baby deer walked by after.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

[PATRICK MOORE]

I *have* run over several snakes 

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> No hate mail please but where I ride at night there are giant sewer rats
> and I did get one once (on accident, I swear, I love animals), glad i wasnt
> on 22s or else I would have gone endo. Here in downtown NYC if you see a
> wild animal by your bike things have probably gone pretty wrong
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Tim Gavin  > wrote:
>
>> how about attacking geese?  I gotta bring a camera tomorrow...
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>>> Beat, beat, and beat again! *
>>>
>>> Juuust kidding.
>>>
>>> I'll try to get a group photo the next time I ride into a pack of
>>> coyotes (as I did a couple of years ago; or rather, I rode *at* them
>>> screaming threats and war, whereat they fled. Our drougth is bringing the
>>> wildlife (bears and wildcats, besides the coyotes) in toward the
>>> neighborhoods.
>>>
>>> *Attributed to Iosif Stalin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:29 PM, rob markwardt wrote:
>>>
 This beast attacked me tonight.

 http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8548/8930655295_12d7f935e1.jpg


 On Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:40:12 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> No, not this time around.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Rattlesnake?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

[iamkeith]

  You know, now that you mention it...  She DID seem to be flirting with 
me.  ;-)

On Monday, June 3, 2013 10:47:40 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

> *... perhaps she thought you were a 'bull-moose', but soon realized those 
> are moustache bars...*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[dougP]

On our recent So Cal Riv ride in the San Bernardino mountains, a couple of 
the guys used full coverage bug nets.  They were able to don & doff them as 
we hit patches of nats, then clear air.  An outdoor gear store is a likely 
source.  Maybe Hugh or David will chime in with what they used.

dougP

On Monday, June 3, 2013 9:12:24 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I think I'm gonna pick up a so-called "buff", a neck/head tube made of 
> stretchy thin material.  I have a cold right now, so my nose is exit-only, 
> no easy breathing.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> I nose breathe all the time (except on climbs over 10,000 feet, where 
>> bugs are not a huge issue), and even then gnat clouds can give a lot more 
>> texture to the air than is preferable. But that's only an infrequent and 
>> short lived issue in the Colorado Rockies. Short of a "no-see-um" mesh 
>> bandana it's hard to know what would accomplish the task and be more 
>> breathable than a cotton one. Good luck!
>>
>> WIth abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:53:54 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that 
>>> tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I 
>>> currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as breathable 
>>> as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.
>>>
>>> Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, 
>>> or just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tim
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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

[Montclair BobbyB]

*... perhaps she thought you were a 'bull-moose', but soon realized those 
are moustache bars... *

On Monday, June 3, 2013 11:06:25 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Funny you should ask.   I took this photo last week on the bike path 
> through the middle of Town, and knew there must have been a reason for 
> doing so.   Not many years ago, this would have been so mundane that I 
> wouldn't have thought twice or considered taking a snapshot.  But, 
> recently, a number of factors have conspired to drastically reduce the 
> local moose population.  That, and the fact that I now have some bicycles 
> worthy of "glamour" shots.
>  
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:17:00 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
>> Would love to see if anyone snapped a pic showing their Rivendell with a 
>> wild animal in the frame.
>> I thought it would make for an interesting thread.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Montclair BobbyB]

I only use Proofide, and have never heard any bad testimonials about 
Proofide.  I don't believe the folks at Brooks would make an inferior 
product to protect their saddles. 


On Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:38:21 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Are the care needs of an undyed Brooks Select saddle any different from 
> the dyed ones? 
>  
> Joe "to Proofide or not to Proofide" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: "Jenny" the AHH made it on TV

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I like the guy in the background walking up to photograph Homer. 

--Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Awesome Ferry crossing! Looks like a fun day. 

--Smitty
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[RBW] Re: Start the summer right. Mixed terrain June 2nd

[Jeremy Till]

Think Manny is still out camping so I'll start with the ride reports

Normally any ride where I get three flat tires and am plagued by a 
saddlebag rubbing on the rear wheel would seem pretty frustrating to me, 
but this ride was so awesome that all of these minor problems paled in 
comparison to my stoke.  Manny lead us on an awesome ride starting from the 
Fremont BART station, pretty much the southern extremity of the East Bay 
line.  I'd never really biked in Fremont before and I was quickly blown 
away as we blasted up Niles Canyon to Sunol, a beautiful and fast stretch 
of road.  Stopping in Sunol for supplies and to pet Mayor Bosco for good 
luck, we headed up driveways and fireroads towards Pleasanton Ridge, which 
seems to favorite with local MTBers.  From there it was rolling fireroads 
and plentiful singletrack detours as we made our way northwards, through 
increasingly deserted lands.  Somewhere in there I got the first of three 
flats, which seemed to be related to a bad rim strip.  Popping out on 
Palomares Rd. we bombed the paved descent (who says you can't get aero on 
Albas?) into Castro Valley for a Safeway lunch.  From there Manny took us 
up on trails around Lake Chabot and the golf course (golf balls!), where 
the second flat happened.  Manny had to get back home to get his camping 
gear for the evening's S240 so he took as far the southern extremity of 
Skyline Dr. before dropping down into San Leandro.  I lead the rest of us 
up Skyline and down Joaquin Miller through Montclair to the Rockridge BART 
station for the rest of the folks to get home to the city.  Leaving the 
BART I felt my rear going flat for the third time, luckily there was an 
open bike shop right there so I bought another tube and a new Velox rim 
strip.  Got it fixed and rode home, pretty stoked to arrive on my doorstep 
in Berkeley after riding all the way from Fremont, mostly on trails.  An 
epic day all around. 

We had a good mix of bikes on this ride, everything from a full-on 
(monster) cross bike to a couple of well-setup Rando machines, and of 
course Manny's Hillborne.  I was on my new LHT with Albatrosses and 42mm 
tires, and it was perfect for this ride.  

Pics to prove it happened, although I seemed to stop taking pictures after 
Pleasanton Ridge so you'll just have to believe me about that part: 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/85709120@N07/sets/72157633902639247/

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:36:59 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Start the summer right!
> June 2nd. Mixed terrain ride. 
> Meeting at Fremont Bart around 9ish. Ending at Walnut Creek Bart.
> Abandon houses, golf balls and rope swings. You know summer stuff.
>
> -Manny
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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

No bugs. 

The CG was about 2.5 hours from both Seattle and Portland... You could 
absolutely do something like this in So Cal. 

Bikes were 3 Homers, 1 Sam, 1 Hunqapilar, and an LHT

If anyone's interested in the details of where we were... 
Saturday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621380
Sunday's route: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2621398

There were other cameras... I'm sure more (and better) pics will surface. 

--Smitty



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>
> Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle 
> vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp and 
> set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River for 
> about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike 
> talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some 
> hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a 
> spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after 
> dark. 
>
>
> In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he got 
> a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and cleaning 
> up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us headed out to 
> investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be stopped by the 
> snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being mostly melted. We got 
> crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40 mile loop. We 
> implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward despite not really 
> knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to cause you to be late 
> getting home). The loop turned out to include a spectacular 5 mile descent 
> down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded the bikes into the cars and 
> headed our separate ways. 
>
>
> As for who "won" the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so 
> pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally 
> having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps 
> we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it. 
>
>
> My pics are here. 
> 
>
>
> The other guys will post theirs in the comments
>
>
> --Smitty  
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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Doug Williams]

>
> I've got close to 1,000 miles on my (new) Brooks B 17 Select. It has 
> darkened to a nice honey color now. But it has never stained my clothes, 
> not even my white shorts. I have put two light applications of Proofide on, 
> with no ill effects. Very comfortable saddle. I love it!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[Tim Gavin]

I think I'm gonna pick up a so-called "buff", a neck/head tube made of
stretchy thin material.  I have a cold right now, so my nose is exit-only,
no easy breathing.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I nose breathe all the time (except on climbs over 10,000 feet, where bugs
> are not a huge issue), and even then gnat clouds can give a lot more
> texture to the air than is preferable. But that's only an infrequent and
> short lived issue in the Colorado Rockies. Short of a "no-see-um" mesh
> bandana it's hard to know what would accomplish the task and be more
> breathable than a cotton one. Good luck!
>
> WIth abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:53:54 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that
>> tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I
>> currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as breathable
>> as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.
>>
>> Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, or
>> just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

[Mike Schiller]

Hugh, no reason we can't do something like that  down here... San Gabrials, 
Mt Pinos area or eve the Southern Sierras?   Lot's of back roads to ride.

and nice pictures Andy. Looked like a lot of fun.

~mike


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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know. I guess it was a dumb question.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunday Morning Ramble.

[Peter Morgano]

Good point. Well I took out the Piccolo and my Bombadil for 10 miles on
sunday in the heat and did enjoy the scenery and my daughter's singing so
we did have a good "ramble" after all!


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 10:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Looks like a great ride, one day I will work up to where 100k is a
> > "ramble", maybe not in 90 degree heat though!
>
> I led a 68 mile ride on Saturday in 90 degree heat that definitely
> qualified as a "ramble."  It's really all a matter of mind-set: it's not
> the length that makes it a ramble for me, it's the enjoyment of scenery
> and how people interact at rest stops.  This is particularly to
> distinguish from the sort of group ride where it's all inward-facing,
> all about the pack and the pace.  That kind of ride might as well be on
> rollers, like in the Triplets of Belleville.
>
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[RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

[Deacon Patrick]

I nose breathe all the time (except on climbs over 10,000 feet, where bugs 
are not a huge issue), and even then gnat clouds can give a lot more 
texture to the air than is preferable. But that's only an infrequent and 
short lived issue in the Colorado Rockies. Short of a "no-see-um" mesh 
bandana it's hard to know what would accomplish the task and be more 
breathable than a cotton one. Good luck!

WIth abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 3, 2013 7:53:54 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that 
> tasty.  Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I 
> currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as breathable 
> as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.
>
> Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, or 
> just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

[Peter Morgano]

No hate mail please but where I ride at night there are giant sewer rats
and I did get one once (on accident, I swear, I love animals), glad i wasnt
on 22s or else I would have gone endo. Here in downtown NYC if you see a
wild animal by your bike things have probably gone pretty wrong


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Tim Gavin
wrote:

> how about attacking geese?  I gotta bring a camera tomorrow...
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>> Beat, beat, and beat again! *
>>
>> Juuust kidding.
>>
>> I'll try to get a group photo the next time I ride into a pack of coyotes
>> (as I did a couple of years ago; or rather, I rode *at* them screaming
>> threats and war, whereat they fled. Our drougth is bringing the wildlife
>> (bears and wildcats, besides the coyotes) in toward the neighborhoods.
>>
>> *Attributed to Iosif Stalin
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:29 PM, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>>> This beast attacked me tonight.
>>>
>>> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8548/8930655295_12d7f935e1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:40:12 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 No, not this time around.

 Cheers,
 David



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunday Morning Ramble.

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On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 10:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Looks like a great ride, one day I will work up to where 100k is a
> "ramble", maybe not in 90 degree heat though! 

I led a 68 mile ride on Saturday in 90 degree heat that definitely
qualified as a "ramble."  It's really all a matter of mind-set: it's not
the length that makes it a ramble for me, it's the enjoyment of scenery
and how people interact at rest stops.  This is particularly to
distinguish from the sort of group ride where it's all inward-facing,
all about the pack and the pace.  That kind of ride might as well be on
rollers, like in the Triplets of Belleville.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pics of your Riv with a wild animal...

[Tim Gavin]

how about attacking geese?  I gotta bring a camera tomorrow...


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Beat, beat, and beat again! *
>
> Juuust kidding.
>
> I'll try to get a group photo the next time I ride into a pack of coyotes
> (as I did a couple of years ago; or rather, I rode *at* them screaming
> threats and war, whereat they fled. Our drougth is bringing the wildlife
> (bears and wildcats, besides the coyotes) in toward the neighborhoods.
>
> *Attributed to Iosif Stalin
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:29 PM, rob markwardt wrote:
>
>> This beast attacked me tonight.
>>
>> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8548/8930655295_12d7f935e1.jpg
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:40:12 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> No, not this time around.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 Rattlesnake?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunday Morning Ramble.

[Peter Morgano]

Looks like a great ride, one day I will work up to where 100k is a
"ramble", maybe not in 90 degree heat though!


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Mike  wrote:

> Just getting ready to look at Andy's photos. I'm very excited. Homer has
> actually been to Baby Shoe Pass a couple of times although the last time
> was in 2010. I doubt we'll be there this year in spite of it being fairly
> close by, hopefully in 2014.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157624965940972/
>
> Now, off to check out Andy's pictures!
>
> mike
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2013 12:15:07 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Great ride Mike, but when you see Andy's well you'll see.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Jeremy Till]

Soundtrack for this ride report: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hmhF9cn_k

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 8:34:04 PM UTC-7, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
>  Saturday, Dan, Paul, and I took off from historic Scottsville with a 
> general route plan in mind, nothing set other than to go down one side of 
> the James River, cross somewhere and to return to Scottsville and then 
> swing into the James River Brewery for a quick post ride recovery 
> beverage.  We had hardly gotten started but the constant hum of the Brood 2 
> of the 17 year cicadas began and stuck with us all day.  The critters were 
> humming, flying around, and catching rides on the bikes and one even 
> managed to get into Dan’s helmet. We ended up taking the Hatton Ferry, the 
> last non-motorized cable ferry in the US across the river; I had tried to 
> catch the ferry for years but low water, high water, not operating, 
> mechanical or whatever and always thwarted this river crossing.  So it was 
> all of our first crossing at this historic ferry and Paul even knew the 
> ferryman, Craig…great experience and addition to a bike ride…we crawled up 
> the hill into Buckingham County from the river bottom and somewhere along 
> the way decided to make Yogaville our destination.  The heat made us feel 
> like we were on a pilgrimage through India but a picnic pavilion at a 
> country church complete with ceiling fans made lunch much more 
> pleasurable.  The Lotus Shire at Yogaville with its pastel colors is always 
> an interesting sight in rural Buckingham County and quite a contrast to the 
> usual local color.  We paid our respects and got an all too brief respite 
> from the heat and sun and then had to hightail it back toward Scottsville 
> because I had a dinner schedule to meet.  Well, the nasty hot headwind we 
> had been fighting all day didn’t do a 180 on us but remained constant, 
> steady and strong at our backs.  We buzzed through Glenmore and grabbed a 
> quick break for water and calories and then hit the pavement again.  My 
> route hopped onto Route 20 for just a short distance but the traffic so 
> fairly low and the wind perfectly behind us so we opted for speed over 
> scenery and must have averaged about 21 +/- mph (at times much more) most 
> of the rest of the ride which was way above our average so far.  We rolled 
> into Scottsville, threw the bikes on the car and headed straight to the 
> best recent additional in Scottsville, the James River Brewery to sample 
> their finest and catch some music in their beer garden. Following are a few 
> shots from all three of us…at times different then at times amazingly 
> duplicative.   Bike content, we were spinning on a Bilenky, a Rivendell, 
> and a Salsa…and all wearing Keen biking sandals…
>
>  
>
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFEAs7R
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157633888398734/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157633891135960/
>
>  
>
> Meade Anderson
>
>  
>
>  
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[RBW] FS-Wrights Leather Saddle W3N

[Garth]

For sale is a used Vintage Wrights Leather Saddle W3N. 150mm wide. The 
Leather is as seen in the photos, and appears to be quite good . I've had 
this since this the 80's off of my Fuji bike , just moved it from box to 
box alot, so it's been used actually very very little as I prefer other 
saddles.  USA only, unless someone wants to pay the extra shipping charges 
to wherever. 
$40 shipped USPS Priority Mail. Paypal only please. 

Pics:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/M45gaKdDP6xWfSDK8nU-udMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/gET1R4s0zcACRFzFDUhhstMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ZVV8yuuNH0a8LDucMidCh9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

[Mike]

Dude, that sounds and looks like a great time. Was it buggy at all? Sure 
would have loved to have been out there with you all. Looks like there were 
3 Hilsens, 1 Hillborne and an LHT.

There's no *good *reason why rides like this shouldn't happen more 
frequently with PNW Rivsters. Gifford Pinchot NF makes a fantastic meeting 
ground and offers so much in the way of paved and unpaved roads. While I 
doubt I'll spend time there this year, next year we should shoot for some 
kind of three day ramble in July. Obviously for folks that have the ability 
to do it this year, go this year. It's also real easy to ride between 
Gifford and Mt Rainier NP. There's a great little Forest Service road out 
of Packwood that's perfect for connecting the two.

I imagine others on the trip still have images to post, looking forward to 
them.

--mike

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RE: [RBW] Introduction

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Very interesting - thanks for sharing.  And beautiful bike, old-style narrow 
clearances notwithstanding.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Brodek
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 10:30 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Introduction

I am now the proud 3rd or 4th owner of an early '95 Riv Road Std 59.5cm, W'ford 
production, ser# 95060. BB paint is thick and stampings shallow, can't see any 
month letter stamp in front of the 95, so I don't know production month. Pretty 
sure is was originally frank_a's frame, sent him a pm to verify, but the 
missing paint scabs match his exactly. Burnt orange with a deep blue head tube, 
built as a fixie for now.

I've been on ibob since '96, guess it took me quite a while to finally nab a 
Riv and join here. I almost feel a little out of place, not in a bad way at 
all, but so many folks here have newer Rivs with mega-rubber clearance and 
off-road capability. What was revolutionary in '95, a quality road bike with 
clearance for 30mm tires, now seems quaint and almost dainty. All these pix of 
Hunqs and Homers with 40mm+ tires makes me feel like I'm back on a twitchy crit 
bike with 21mm Specialized Turbos---and Grant's building frames now with double 
top tubes? Evolution is an interesting/spooky thing...

I'm a bike biz vet/refugee, wrenched at Fuji Cycle Center of NJ '80-'83, then 
went to SunTour USA '84-'88, Maeda Kogyo/SunTour Japan '89-'90, Trek Japan 
'90-'99, Fuji America '00-'01. I was bobbish when lugged steel and wool/cotton 
was just about all that existed, then flirted with aluminum at SunTour, then 
carbon at Trek. Started looking at steel again after trashing my very first 
Trek OCLV frame on its maiden voyage, first or second front shift dumped the 
chain and sawed through several critical layers of chainstay carbon. I was 
honestly Just Riding Along (JRA). Frame was toast and I started thinking maybe 
carbon wasn't a great bicycle frame material.

Started reading ibob, Grant/Riv and the Sheldon Chronicles, grew increasingly 
disenchanted with aluminum/carbon. My steel epiphany/satori was my first 
lunchtime ride on a '99/'00 Fuji Roubaix Pro, tig'd Reynolds 853, when I 
realized it was the "rightest" feeling bike I had ridden in more than a decade. 
Dove back into steel in a big way, got rid of all my non-ferrous steeds and 
haven't looked back.

So now I find myself an old cuss, fatter and weaker than ever, but I've never 
been happier with my bikes. My love for lugged steel has been rekindled (I'm 
also OK with fillet-brazed and even tig'd) and I seriously jones for 
small-volume American handbuilt frames from the '70s-'80s---a weird full-circle 
thing for me because some of these builders were customers of mine or 
show-buddies from my SunTour days. I made it to NAHBS in Richmond 2010 and 
Denver this year, also finally just made it to Cirque. Left behind a 
period-correct components phase and now often run semi-modern parts where it 
makes sense to me; also ride only spiky platform pedals these days, no more 
foot retention.

Although my riding mileage is still pitifully low, it's generally on a slow 
upswing. I re-connected with the Bicycle Touring Club of North Jersey (BTCNJ), 
which had a couple hundred members in '82 and now has a couple thousand, and 
getting back out on club rides has been fun. Not a lot of steel out there, 
though, especially higher-end steel.

Took a few piccies of the Riv today, did a flattish 25mi fixed ride w/500' of 
climbing, my legs are toast. Here's a small flickr set, you'll also find some 
other bikes, and some overly-large sets from NAHBS 2013 and Cirque:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/sets/72157633888172218/

Looking forward to some Rivish dialog

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

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[RBW] Bug protection face mask?

[Tim Gavin]

The gnats are in full season here in IA, and they're really not that tasty.
 Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice, breathable face mask?  I
currently use a handkerchief tied bandito-style, but it's not as breathable
as I'd like.   And everything I find online is aimed for cold weather.

Please don't tell me to just close my mouth, breathe through my teeth, or
just suck it up and eat them.  I've tried those methods, believe me.  :-)

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Actual Tire Sizes

[Leslie]

I'm pondering other tires too, at the moment;have you considered the 
Little Big Brown against the MSO and Happy Medium?   How about Schwalbe 
Sammy Slick?





On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49:09 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes, obsessive-compulsive 650B riders, this is your moment to shine!!!
>
> You're right about the tire growth. My JB-Gs are @ 34 right now. At least 
> the rear is @ 65psi. Front @ 40psi is still right @ 33.3.
>
> I found it linked to a MSO review I was reading. I think I'm down to the 
> MSO and the Kenda Happy Medium to replace my ZEDs. Probably closer to the 
> Kendas at the moment.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> good find David.  One issue with this data is that some tires grow with 
>> age. The JB Greens on my Coho are measuring 34.5 mm with abut 2000 miles on 
>> them on 20mm rims.  They were a 1.5mm narrower when I put them on. 
>>
>> One big thing not well represented on the list are 650B tires... we need 
>> more variety!
>>
>> ~mike
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[RBW] Re: Sunday Morning Ramble.

[Mike]

Just getting ready to look at Andy's photos. I'm very excited. Homer has 
actually been to Baby Shoe Pass a couple of times although the last time 
was in 2010. I doubt we'll be there this year in spite of it being fairly 
close by, hopefully in 2014.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157624965940972/

Now, off to check out Andy's pictures!

mike

On Monday, June 3, 2013 12:15:07 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Great ride Mike, but when you see Andy's well you'll see.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow! I've always wanted to cross by a hand propelled ferry. Each time we 
read about it in one of our daughter's pioneer books I'm always curious. 
Now we know where to go, if we can time it right for the ferry's sporadic 
schedule. Grin. Great looking, though too hot for me, ride!
>
>  
With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Sunday Morning Ramble.

[Deacon Patrick]

That dirt road sure looks smooth!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 6:09:50 PM UTC-6, Mike wrote:
>
> Got out for a nice morning ramble on the Hilsen today with my friend John. 
> Mileage was just short of a 100k. Although there were a few miles on Hwy 
> 30, the majority of the ride was on fairly quiet roads with a 10 mile dirt 
> climb up Dixie Mtn Rd and a screaming descent down Rocky Pt Road. Pictures:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633887722605/
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: SEA v PDX... and the winner is...

[Deacon Patrick]

Grand adventure -- everyone wins! Wonderful trip, and some great looking 
road.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 3, 2013 12:27:23 AM UTC-6, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> Five of us met at a campground in the shadow of Mt Adams for the *Seattle 
> vs Portland Country Bike Rumble*. We got things squared away at camp and 
> set out for the Rumble Ride. We headed up The North Fork Cispus River for 
> about about 10 miles…. a fair amount of climbing, lots of breaks, bike 
> talk, and we found a nice view point to hang out for a snack and some 
> hanging out before heading back down. The Portland crew whipped up a 
> spaghetti dinner then we settled around the camp fire until well after 
> dark. 
>
>
> In the morning the Seattle crew (aka Brian) was the first one up so he got 
> a fire going and cooked a big batch of eggs. After breakfast and cleaning 
> up around camp, Charlie had to head home, but the rest of us headed out to 
> investigate the snow level.  We figured we'd eventually be stopped by the 
> snow and have to turn around. The snow ended up being mostly melted. We got 
> crazy close to making the connection to connect to our 40 mile loop. We 
> implemented the Manny Principle (keep pressing forward despite not really 
> knowing what's up ahead and even though it's likely to cause you to be late 
> getting home). The loop turned out to include a spectacular 5 mile descent 
> down a jeep road. Following the ride we loaded the bikes into the cars and 
> headed our separate ways. 
>
>
> As for who "won" the Rumble… I't wasn't exactly clear. We were so 
> pre-occupied riding, telling stories, geeking out on bikes, and generally 
> having a great time that the Rumble part of it fell off the radar. Perhaps 
> we'll have to do it again and be more on top of it. 
>
>
> My pics are here. 
> 
>
>
> The other guys will post theirs in the comments
>
>
> --Smitty  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Oiling a Select saddle

[Brian Campbell]

Top and bottom of my B-17 Select got a coat of Proofide. Why would you not?

On Monday, June 3, 2013 8:16:32 AM UTC-4, john muhl wrote:
>
> Mine came with a tin of Proofide; I assumed it was for the saddle.
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:38:21 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Are the care needs of an undyed Brooks Select saddle any different from 
>> the dyed ones? 
>>  
>> Joe "to Proofide or not to Proofide" Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
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