Re: [RBW] Re: Alba bar-reach

[Leah Peterson]

I WILL try that and let you know what I discover!

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On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:49 AM, Michael Flournoy  wrote:

> If you are comfortable on the saddle leave it like it is. It looks like you 
> have the stem pretty high already, if sitting straight upright is what works 
> best for you, and it very well may be, then you will need a shorter stem or 
> different bars. 
> However, before you do any of that play around with handlebar height and 
> angle, it might surprise you. I would angle the bars down slightly so your 
> wrists are more natural and drop the stem a little. This will make you lean 
> forward a little. Your mind may want to be bolt upright while your body 
> actually wants to lean forward. The beauty of the quill stem is it is easy 
> and costs nothing to find out. 
> 
> On Monday, July 15, 2013 2:28:05 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>> 
>> I know so little about the mechanics of bikes and bike fit. I feel like I 
>> finally have my Brooks B68 in the right position, but now my Albatross bars 
>> don't feel quite right. Attached is a photo so you can see what's going on.
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[RBW] Re: Alba bar-reach

[Michael Flournoy]

If you are comfortable on the saddle leave it like it is. It looks like you 
have the stem pretty high already, if sitting straight upright is what 
works best for you, and it very well may be, then you will need a shorter 
stem or different bars. 
However, before you do any of that play around with handlebar height and 
angle, it might surprise you. I would angle the bars down slightly so your 
wrists are more natural and drop the stem a little. This will make you lean 
forward a little. Your mind may want to be bolt upright while your body 
actually wants to lean forward. The beauty of the quill stem is it is easy 
and costs nothing to find out. 

On Monday, July 15, 2013 2:28:05 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I know so little about the mechanics of bikes and bike fit. I feel like I 
> finally have my Brooks B68 in the right position, but now my Albatross bars 
> don't feel quite right. Attached is a photo so you can see what's going on. 
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Sam

[Tom Virgil]

djbardwel,

That is just one sweet build of a Samuel Hillborne.  And I know it rides 
even better than it looks. Love those Albas.   My deal with wife is if I 
get X, she gets 1-2X.  Keep the woman happy.

Current state of my two month old Sam is On Torrey Pines State 
Beach.

Reid,

This Rivendell box art is something.  It's not the first mention I have 
seen on this group, but it comes up from time to time.  The Rivendell folks 
seem to put a personal signature on their bicycle cartons (which I found to 
be very good).  

I originally thought I got a rendition of the "Last Homely House".  That 
was delusional. I do have a rendition of some structure on a palisade or 
some kind of huge tree trunk with a tent on its sod roof. 

Rivendell Box 

Who does this?  They put some effort into this.  I am also wondering if 
Samuel Hillborne is a cat.

Best Regards,

Tom



On Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:57:07 AM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>
> Very nice!
>  
> I keep threatening to get an AHH. However, I live so close to Riv HQ, that 
> I would just go and pick up the finished bike. But looking at your pics, I 
> realize that if I did that, I would be missing out on the full Riv 
> experience. So, the question is: Is it worth paying shipping just to get 
> the custom decorated box? I'm sooo confused!
>  
> Reid
>  
>  
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[dougP]

Next weekend is coming fast.  I'm off the radar after Tuesday night so 
contact me off-list for cell phone number.  That will be the ONLY way to 
reach me.  I'm gone early Wed AM & am rarely interested in dealing with the 
computer away from the comfort of my cave.  The information below is still 
valid.  I will be at El Chorro site Bishop 9 on Saturday & Sunday.  That'll 
be my first stop on Friday to see if I can grab another night but otherwise 
it's Morro Bay SP (a pretty nice place too).  

It would be handy if people would post an ETA (remember, the "E" is for 
estimate; not a promise) so we all know who to look for & when.  Also, an 
exchange of cell numbers can facilitate coordination.  

Gotta go out & stick on the low riders & gather the gear.  Adventure awaits.

dougP

On Monday, July 8, 2013 6:18:28 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Two options that we can muse over:
>
> 1.  I snake off a site for Friday night on the "first come first save" 
> lottery.  I'll be in Arroyo Grande Thursday night & that's maybe 20 miles 
> away.  I can easily get there by late AM on Friday.  
>
> 2.  Plan B (if El Chorro is full on Friday) would be hiker-biker at El 
> Morro SP for Friday night only.  If driving, you could drive into the park 
> (I've got a pass so we'd need to coordinate), dump your stuff, go out & 
> find a parking spot in town (pretty easy I think) & ride in.  No, I won't 
> set up your tent while you're gone :-).  Then move over to El Chorro on Sat.
>
> So far we've got Evan, Hugh, Manny & Doug.  
>
> Manny, if you get a couple of comprades, I suggest calling Paul Lee @ 
> 805-781-5930, ext 4, and reserve a 2nd campsite.  It's only $25 per night 
> plus a $9 booking fee.  I don't have a feel for the size of the campsites 
> but IME 6 tents is about max.  I've slept thru earthquakes, trains, 
> generators, etc, but YMMV when it comes to proximity to other campers.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2013 4:03:45 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>> I plan on coming up on Friday, riding on the Sunday ride and returning to 
>> Los Angeles that evening. Evan will be joining me on the drive up. I guess 
>> I need to figure out accommodations for that Friday night.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 1:26:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> I just made a reservation for Sat July 27 & Sun July 28 at El Chorro.  
>>> The site number is B-9 in the Bishop Loop.  Reservation is under my name, 
>>> Doug Peterson, if you arrive before I do.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:24:47 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 I'll be coming down. so count me in. I plan on driving or if there is 
 room with other bay area folks I would love to car pool. 

 PM if you need a ride.

 On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:08:29 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> I just spoke with someone at the El Chorro Campground.  They will take 
> reservations for the weekend of July 27.  I'll make the reservation BUT 
> need to know headcount and arrival & departure dates.  Does anyone plan 
> to 
> arrive on Friday or earlier, or to stay Sunday or later?  My schedule is 
> flexible and I intend to spend more than one night there but would like 
> to 
> coordinate with others if there's interest in a longer stay.  I told the 
> guy we would be around a half dozen people, each with small 1 person 
> backpacking tent (purposely keeping it a bit vague) and the response was 
> "no problem".  Sites are available on first come first served without 
> reservation but I think having at least one site reserved would be a good 
> thing.  
>
> Please post your plans soon so I can make the reservation and we can 
> start coordinating our travels.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2013 7:15:24 AM UTC-7, Evan Spacht wrote:
>>
>> Count me in for the Riv Ramble Scramble.
>> Thought it was this weekend but I neglected to read the 'July' part 
>> of the date.
>>
>> -Evan
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a 
>>> rumble in Cal.
>>>
>>> Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get 
>>> things semi more organized. 
>>> Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind 
>>> driving down somewhere in the middle.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Slightly OT: Motorcycle Riding and Bicycles

[Montclair BobbyB]

I know there are a few motorcycle riders out there... I'm curious what kind 
of motorcycles do bicycle people ride?  I'm fairly new to motorcycling 
(within the last 2 years), and I honestly can say I got interested in 
motorcycling because of my appreciation of bicycling (and therefore all 
things two-wheeled). 

So forgive me for introducing motorized 2-wheelers into this forum, but I 
think there are definite parallels between bicycling and motorcycling.  

My favorite bike in my stable is my Bombadil (with front and rear racks and 
Bullmoose bars, lights, and a saddle bag).  This is a go-anywhere, do 
anything (albeit at-a-slower-pace) kind of bike.  I also have a 1986 
Schwinn Cimmaron set up pretty much the same way as my Bomba... And I also 
have other bikes for different purposes; a SimpleOne that's purely for 
pedaling, mostly around town, a StumpJumper or 2, Rockhopper, (Dutch) 
Gazelle, Raleigh Olympian, Nishiki Prestige... mostly lugged, Rivish-style 
setups.)  So my taste in bicycles tends to gravitate towards well-made, 
practical and utlitarian bikes with a certain proven (and respected) 
history.

As for motorcycles, my tastes run similar. I have two motorcycles, both 
BMWs.  The first is an older 1977 R60/7 Airhead, which is just a beautiful, 
classic bike.  When I ride it through New Hope PA, which on a typical 
Sunday is overpopulated with Harleys, I get all kinds of looks and smiles. 
 My other bike is a 1993 K1100LT, which I like to think of as a "Riv-ish" 
workhorse of a touring bike... It's a go-anywhere bike with plenty of 
storage to haul enough gear for a 1-2-week getaway.  It's equally 
comfortable on back roads or highways, and its upright position gives you a 
great command of the road ahead.  It's a real pleasure to ride, and its 
exactly what I would expect the perfect touring motorcycle to be.

Best thing about these bikes is that there are lots of them out there on 
the used market for less money than many of us pay for bicycles, and these 
classic motorcycles will (like our Rivendells) likely outlive us... I like 
that...

So what are YOU riding?

Peace,
BB

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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Scot Brooks]

To Jim's comment: I have two sets of Jim's wheels, and they're both mystical 
and artisanal in my book :)

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Re: [RBW] Slightly OT: Motorcycle Riding and Bicycles

[BSWP]

I ride a 2000 BMW GS 1150, and before that rode a 1987 BMW R80. Are they 
Riv-ish motos? Maybe, sort of, but don;t obsess on that. Bicycling and 
motorcycling are entirely different, share much of the same qualities, and 
utterly complement each other. Leaning into turns, looking through the 
turn, knowing which brake to use, on and on... doing both makes you 
appreciate doing each on its own, all the more. Like today, when I rode the 
LongLow from Berkeley out to Walnut Creek to see an old friend, get some 
bits at RBW, and ride back. Claremont and Fish Ranch, in both directions...

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Nitto, Phil, Ritchey, Velo-Orange, etc.

[justinaugust]

Dynohub pending
Pista crankset pending

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:06:18 PM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Folks-
> Summer cleaning and general desire to not be a hoarder.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/sets/72157634724051356/
> ^ Flickr link with notes on the pictures.
> Consider all prices OBO and need shipping added to them.
>
>- SCORCHER Bars! Get wide and wild on some single track! $40
>- 
>- Velo-Orange Porteur bars. 25.4 clamp, accepts ROAD LEVERS and 
>bar-end shifters/brakes. $25
>- 
>- Rivendell Albastache. New, unused. $75
>- 
>- Ritchey Logic Triple + Phil Wood BB. 172.5 arms. Chainrings - I have 
>a variety of them! We can talk. BB is like 122. Perfect length for a Riv 
>frame. Includes fixing cups. $100 for the set. Not interested in breaking 
>it up.
>- 
>- Bontrager 1 1/8" threadless stem. 90-ish extension. Nice, 
>solid, light stem. $10
>- 
>- Pletscher double leg kickstand. Unused. No bolt or top plate. They 
>are like 5 bucks. $40
>- 
>- Racor Wall mount bike hook. $10
>- 
>- Shimano 600 Rear Derailleur, short cage. $35
>- 
>- Cateye Front + Rear light set. Unused. $25
>- 
>- Campy Pista cranks w/ matching BB and 42t chainring. 165mm $75
>- 
>- Shutter Precision PV-8 Dynohub. Polished silver. Never used. $75
>- 
>- Carradice Longflap Camper. Hardly used. Expandable flap. $125
>- 
>- Silver Hupe. Attaches to the seat stays to support a saddlebag. $15
>- 
>- No Name Mini front rack. Only works with center pulls. No support 
>aside from the hole for brake bolt. This is like the Wald of mini racks. 
> $15
>- 
>- B&M Halogen dyno-powered light. $25
>- Tektro RBP Straddle hangers + Cables. $10
>- 
>- WTB SpeedV Saddle. $25
>- 
>- Phil Wood 111mm BB w/ Fixing cups. $50
>
> Email me off list at justinaug...@gmail.com
> Shipping is from Philadelphia, 19146. Local pickup would be awesome.
>
> -Justin
>

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Re: [RBW] Slightly OT: Motorcycle Riding and Bicycles

[cyclotourist]

I spent my youth on two motorized wheels, although sadly without one
for the last 22+ years (happy anniversary, honey!).

If I was to get a motorcycle now, it would be one of these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/85453118@N00/2844243649

On 7/20/13, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> If came home with a motorcycle the only thing I would be riding is a one
> way ticket to divorce town, Haha. My brother has a Harley but maybe when
> the kids are grown I could get a old triumph, knew a family that owned one
> growing up and it seemed like a chill ride.
> On Jul 21, 2013 12:02 AM, "Montclair BobbyB" 
> wrote:
>
>> I know there are a few motorcycle riders out there... I'm curious what
>> kind of motorcycles do bicycle people ride?  I'm fairly new to
>> motorcycling
>> (within the last 2 years), and I honestly can say I got interested in
>> motorcycling because of my appreciation of bicycling (and therefore all
>> things two-wheeled).
>>
>> So forgive me for introducing motorized 2-wheelers into this forum, but I
>> think there are definite parallels between bicycling and motorcycling.
>>
>> My favorite bike in my stable is my Bombadil (with front and rear racks
>> and Bullmoose bars, lights, and a saddle bag).  This is a go-anywhere, do
>> anything (albeit at-a-slower-pace) kind of bike.  I also have a 1986
>> Schwinn Cimmaron set up pretty much the same way as my Bomba... And I
>> also
>> have other bikes for different purposes; a SimpleOne that's purely for
>> pedaling, mostly around town, a StumpJumper or 2, Rockhopper, (Dutch)
>> Gazelle, Raleigh Olympian, Nishiki Prestige... mostly lugged,
>> Rivish-style
>> setups.)  So my taste in bicycles tends to gravitate towards well-made,
>> practical and utlitarian bikes with a certain proven (and respected)
>> history.
>>
>> As for motorcycles, my tastes run similar. I have two motorcycles, both
>> BMWs.  The first is an older 1977 R60/7 Airhead, which is just a
>> beautiful,
>> classic bike.  When I ride it through New Hope PA, which on a typical
>> Sunday is overpopulated with Harleys, I get all kinds of looks and
>> smiles.
>>  My other bike is a 1993 K1100LT, which I like to think of as a "Riv-ish"
>> workhorse of a touring bike... It's a go-anywhere bike with plenty of
>> storage to haul enough gear for a 1-2-week getaway.  It's equally
>> comfortable on back roads or highways, and its upright position gives you
>> a
>> great command of the road ahead.  It's a real pleasure to ride, and its
>> exactly what I would expect the perfect touring motorcycle to be.
>>
>> Best thing about these bikes is that there are lots of them out there on
>> the used market for less money than many of us pay for bicycles, and
>> these
>> classic motorcycles will (like our Rivendells) likely outlive us... I
>> like
>> that...
>>
>> So what are YOU riding?
>>
>> Peace,
>> BB
>>
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Re: [RBW] Slightly OT: Motorcycle Riding and Bicycles

[Peter Morgano]

If came home with a motorcycle the only thing I would be riding is a one
way ticket to divorce town, Haha. My brother has a Harley but maybe when
the kids are grown I could get a old triumph, knew a family that owned one
growing up and it seemed like a chill ride.
On Jul 21, 2013 12:02 AM, "Montclair BobbyB" 
wrote:

> I know there are a few motorcycle riders out there... I'm curious what
> kind of motorcycles do bicycle people ride?  I'm fairly new to motorcycling
> (within the last 2 years), and I honestly can say I got interested in
> motorcycling because of my appreciation of bicycling (and therefore all
> things two-wheeled).
>
> So forgive me for introducing motorized 2-wheelers into this forum, but I
> think there are definite parallels between bicycling and motorcycling.
>
> My favorite bike in my stable is my Bombadil (with front and rear racks
> and Bullmoose bars, lights, and a saddle bag).  This is a go-anywhere, do
> anything (albeit at-a-slower-pace) kind of bike.  I also have a 1986
> Schwinn Cimmaron set up pretty much the same way as my Bomba... And I also
> have other bikes for different purposes; a SimpleOne that's purely for
> pedaling, mostly around town, a StumpJumper or 2, Rockhopper, (Dutch)
> Gazelle, Raleigh Olympian, Nishiki Prestige... mostly lugged, Rivish-style
> setups.)  So my taste in bicycles tends to gravitate towards well-made,
> practical and utlitarian bikes with a certain proven (and respected)
> history.
>
> As for motorcycles, my tastes run similar. I have two motorcycles, both
> BMWs.  The first is an older 1977 R60/7 Airhead, which is just a beautiful,
> classic bike.  When I ride it through New Hope PA, which on a typical
> Sunday is overpopulated with Harleys, I get all kinds of looks and smiles.
>  My other bike is a 1993 K1100LT, which I like to think of as a "Riv-ish"
> workhorse of a touring bike... It's a go-anywhere bike with plenty of
> storage to haul enough gear for a 1-2-week getaway.  It's equally
> comfortable on back roads or highways, and its upright position gives you a
> great command of the road ahead.  It's a real pleasure to ride, and its
> exactly what I would expect the perfect touring motorcycle to be.
>
> Best thing about these bikes is that there are lots of them out there on
> the used market for less money than many of us pay for bicycles, and these
> classic motorcycles will (like our Rivendells) likely outlive us... I like
> that...
>
> So what are YOU riding?
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
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[RBW] Re: Regarding Seth Vidal

[dougP]

Eunice:

Thank you for contacting the group.  Our hearts go out to you & the rest of 
Seth's family.  Even though we were only connected electronically, Seth 
touched so many of us that the loss felt quite personal, so we appreciate 
how devastating this tragedy is for you & those who knew him personally.  

dougP

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:43:34 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi-
>
> You don't know me, but I'm Seth's partner Eunice. I have debated sending 
> this, because I'm not really a Riv owner but thought you all might want to 
> know.
>
> The bike he rode when he was killed was his Romulus. I don't know where it 
> is, but it's probably being held for evidence.
>
> The other Riv bike he had, the Hilsen, was displayed prominently at his 
> memorial service.
>
> I also wanted to thank you for your condolences.
>
> -Eunice
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:24:45 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and 
>> longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by 
>> a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC.  
>>
>> The latest info about the tragedy is here:
>> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/
>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9166340
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Jack
>>
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[RBW] Re: Regarding Seth Vidal

[Eunice Chang]

Hi-

You don't know me, but I'm Seth's partner Eunice. I have debated sending 
this, because I'm not really a Riv owner but thought you all might want to 
know.

The bike he rode when he was killed was his Romulus. I don't know where it 
is, but it's probably being held for evidence.

The other Riv bike he had, the Hilsen, was displayed prominently at his 
memorial service.

I also wanted to thank you for your condolences.

-Eunice




On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:24:45 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and 
> longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by 
> a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC.  
>
> The latest info about the tragedy is here:
> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/
> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9166340
>
> Kind regards
> Jack
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[Michael Williams]

thanks for the vote of confidence Mike,  you know I had that exact same
thought go through my stubborn head.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Mike  wrote:

> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:59:29 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>>
>> thank you all for the ideas.   I think Im just gonna go with the BBs, w/o
>> fenders and take my chances.
>
>
> Michael, you do realize if you don't put fenders on it's sure to rain and
> that if you put them on you won't see a cloud in the sky...
>
> I'm sure you'll be fine without them. I hope you'll post pictures of your
> trip. It sounds like a winner. Sounds like you'll be pedaling through
> Gifford Pinchot NF. I love it there. Fantastic quiet roads and amazing
> views of the Cascades.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Jim]

I'm one of those guys too, current weight is 285 (height is 6'8", partially 
the reason).  And my preferred riding takes me on lots of unpaved trails 
and transitions on and off them from pavement.  I'm used to popping spokes 
on a regular basis when I miss getting off the seat on particularly bad 
bumps, or when I stand up to go up a short but steep grade.  But I got a 
set of Rich-built Velocity cliffhangers, and I haven't even managed to 
knock them out of true to any noticeable degree.  I'm a fan.
 
Jim in Boulder

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:00:06 AM UTC-6, Tony wrote:

> A few recent comments from a local club's chatter list answering a 
> member's, "Any good local wheel builders?" query. ~Tony
>
> Rich Lesnik is reputed to be the best wheel builder around, tho I think he 
> is too modest to claim that position. He is a member of the club. 
>
>
>  Rich Lesnik has the reputation. Wheelbuilding is his specialty and he 
> seems to be considered a master. He builds dozen(s) of wheels per week -- 
> for starters, he builds all the wheels for Rivendell, whose reputation you 
> probably know -- so if practice make perfect, he sure gets the practice. He 
> gets repeated high recommendations on the SF Randonneurs maillist. The rear 
> wheel he rebuilt for me 3 years ago (old hub, new rim) has gone over 20,000 
> miles without needing a single re-true. I have used other wheelbuilders 
> with good reputations, but none have built me a wheel which stays true like 
> that. At that time, Rich was recommended to me by a particularly large / 
> heavy (>200lb) / strong GPC member who told me that Rich's wheels can stand 
> up to *him*. 
>
>
>  After I managed to destroy a wheel that a local shop claimed was 
> "bomb-proof," I called Rich. I was in the final stages of qualifying for 
> PBP and wanted one less thing to worry about. Rich built me a rear wheel on 
> an expedited basis so that I could ride my 600k brevet the following week. 
> This wheel has been with me since 2011 with many thousands of miles, PBP, 
> and local commuting. I am one of those >200 lb. riders, so when I load up 
> the bike for a long brevet, the wheels get a workout. The wheel Rich built 
> has never had an issue, never needed truing, and just keeps rolling. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Shaun Meehan]

Yes, Jim Thill is a pretty adept wheel builder himself. I don't know how
many wheels he's built but it's a lot. I've got two sets that he built and
they just keep rolling with no troubles. Technically I built one of those
four wheels under Jim's supervision but Jim kindly "tweaked" things a bit
when I was done.

Shaun Meehan


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
>
> As Peter M expressed, it IS like good cooking. Anyone can cook, but like a
> Mothers Cooking, What is it about it that always makes it taste so good ?
> It doesn't taste like the neighbors, or the local pot luck, or from a
> factory, or any restaurant.  It's Love , Trust.  Intangibly indescribable.
>
> No price tag on that !
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Eric Platt]

Of course, Jim happens to be my local wheel building "guru".  I have built
one wheel, with Jim's help/close supervision.  Might do another one
someday.

Also realize Rich makes great wheels.  If I didn't have Jim nearby, would
almost certainly get mine from him.


Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I have to half agree with Jim. Its like cooking, you can probably teach
> anyone to cook anything but the true masters have something innate that
> they bring to the equation. I have had wheels from Rich and Longleaf, both
> built with care and made to last.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Dan McNamara wrote:
>
>> There is a great section on wheel building in "Ride of My Life." Having
>> watched Rich build a couple of wheels I think that section really captured
>> some of the magic that goes into a pro built wheel. I have built my share
>> of wheels over the years and although true and round they never came close
>> to wheels  what from Rich, Gravy or Longleaf have provided.
>>
>> There might be some sections from the bbc documentary based on that book
>> available online.
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -Marin
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:49 PM, IanA  wrote:
>>
>> I agree that is important to support the artisans and tradesmen,
>> especially in fields where mass production slowly erode our expectations of
>> quality.  But, what is it about Rich's process that makes a wheel never run
>> out of true?  If a builder is using quality and appropriate components with
>> correctly calculated spoke length and gradually builds the wheel to create
>> balanced ideal uniform tension throughout, relying on a tensionometer and
>> dishing gauge, what is the difference between one builder and another if
>> discipline in these areas is followed?
>>
>> I've read of some builders who use some method of securing the spoke
>> nipple - Blue Loctitie or linseed oil, whereas others might think of this
>> step as unnecessary, but perhaps this step makes a significant difference
>> in certain situations (more weight/more aggressive riding style?).  Why
>> does the otherwise accomplished amateur mechanic find wheel building to be
>> any more intimidating than installing brake levers?  If there is mechanical
>> sympathy, should the wheel build be straightforward enough with the correct
>> tools.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:19:03 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
>>>
>>> It is the business of the wealthy man,
>>> To give employment to the artisan.
>>> (Last two lines from a four line poem by Hilaire Belloc)
>>>
>>> I was fortunate to attend the first hour and a half of a multi-hour
>>> lecture/demonstration Rich gave a couple of years ago at RBW. (I had to
>>> leave to catch a plane). Anyway, it's evident the man knows and loves what
>>> he does and can speak authoritatively about it. Yeah, having something else
>>> NOT to worry about is worth supporting.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:14:43 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 .  I stopped making my own wheels long ago.  It's not my passion,
 not my talent, so let the masters do their thing and I gladly support them
 :)  Joe Young is another wheel artist .

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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Garth]

 

As Peter M expressed, it IS like good cooking. Anyone can cook, but like a 
Mothers Cooking, What is it about it that always makes it taste so good ?  
It doesn't taste like the neighbors, or the local pot luck, or from a 
factory, or any restaurant.  It's Love , Trust.  Intangibly indescribable. 

No price tag on that !




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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Wheel building is mystifying to a lot of cyclists, so anybody who's competent 
at it can become regarded as a guru of esoteric knowledge. But it's actually a 
pretty straightforward process, and not terribly "artisanal", in my opinion. 
I've taught dozens of people to build wheels, and most are able to do a pretty 
good job the first time (with close supervision). There are probably hundreds 
or thousands of competent wheel builders in the US, amateur and professional. 
This is not to take anything from Rich, of course.

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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Tony]

It is the business of the wealthy man,
To give employment to the artisan.
(Last two lines from a four line poem by Hilaire Belloc)

I was fortunate to attend the first hour and a half of a multi-hour 
lecture/demonstration Rich gave a couple of years ago at RBW. (I had to 
leave to catch a plane). Anyway, it's evident the man knows and loves what 
he does and can speak authoritatively about it. Yeah, having something else 
NOT to worry about is worth supporting.

Tony

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:14:43 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> .  I stopped making my own wheels long ago.  It's not my passion, 
> not my talent, so let the masters do their thing and I gladly support them 
> :)  Joe Young is another wheel artist . 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Peter Morgano]

I have to half agree with Jim. Its like cooking, you can probably teach
anyone to cook anything but the true masters have something innate that
they bring to the equation. I have had wheels from Rich and Longleaf, both
built with care and made to last.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> There is a great section on wheel building in "Ride of My Life." Having
> watched Rich build a couple of wheels I think that section really captured
> some of the magic that goes into a pro built wheel. I have built my share
> of wheels over the years and although true and round they never came close
> to wheels  what from Rich, Gravy or Longleaf have provided.
>
> There might be some sections from the bbc documentary based on that book
> available online.
>
>
> Dan
>
> -Marin
>
> On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:49 PM, IanA  wrote:
>
> I agree that is important to support the artisans and tradesmen,
> especially in fields where mass production slowly erode our expectations of
> quality.  But, what is it about Rich's process that makes a wheel never run
> out of true?  If a builder is using quality and appropriate components with
> correctly calculated spoke length and gradually builds the wheel to create
> balanced ideal uniform tension throughout, relying on a tensionometer and
> dishing gauge, what is the difference between one builder and another if
> discipline in these areas is followed?
>
> I've read of some builders who use some method of securing the spoke
> nipple - Blue Loctitie or linseed oil, whereas others might think of this
> step as unnecessary, but perhaps this step makes a significant difference
> in certain situations (more weight/more aggressive riding style?).  Why
> does the otherwise accomplished amateur mechanic find wheel building to be
> any more intimidating than installing brake levers?  If there is mechanical
> sympathy, should the wheel build be straightforward enough with the correct
> tools.
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:19:03 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
>>
>> It is the business of the wealthy man,
>> To give employment to the artisan.
>> (Last two lines from a four line poem by Hilaire Belloc)
>>
>> I was fortunate to attend the first hour and a half of a multi-hour
>> lecture/demonstration Rich gave a couple of years ago at RBW. (I had to
>> leave to catch a plane). Anyway, it's evident the man knows and loves what
>> he does and can speak authoritatively about it. Yeah, having something else
>> NOT to worry about is worth supporting.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:14:43 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> .  I stopped making my own wheels long ago.  It's not my passion,
>>> not my talent, so let the masters do their thing and I gladly support them
>>> :)  Joe Young is another wheel artist .
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Dan McNamara]

There is a great section on wheel building in "Ride of My Life." Having watched 
Rich build a couple of wheels I think that section really captured some of the 
magic that goes into a pro built wheel. I have built my share of wheels over 
the years and although true and round they never came close to wheels  what 
from Rich, Gravy or Longleaf have provided. 

There might be some sections from the bbc documentary based on that book 
available online. 


Dan

-Marin

On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:49 PM, IanA  wrote:

> I agree that is important to support the artisans and tradesmen, especially 
> in fields where mass production slowly erode our expectations of quality.  
> But, what is it about Rich's process that makes a wheel never run out of 
> true?  If a builder is using quality and appropriate components with 
> correctly calculated spoke length and gradually builds the wheel to create 
> balanced ideal uniform tension throughout, relying on a tensionometer and 
> dishing gauge, what is the difference between one builder and another if 
> discipline in these areas is followed?
> 
> I've read of some builders who use some method of securing the spoke nipple - 
> Blue Loctitie or linseed oil, whereas others might think of this step as 
> unnecessary, but perhaps this step makes a significant difference in certain 
> situations (more weight/more aggressive riding style?).  Why does the 
> otherwise accomplished amateur mechanic find wheel building to be any more 
> intimidating than installing brake levers?  If there is mechanical sympathy, 
> should the wheel build be straightforward enough with the correct tools.  
> 
> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:19:03 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
>> 
>> It is the business of the wealthy man,
>> To give employment to the artisan.
>> (Last two lines from a four line poem by Hilaire Belloc)
>> 
>> I was fortunate to attend the first hour and a half of a multi-hour 
>> lecture/demonstration Rich gave a couple of years ago at RBW. (I had to 
>> leave to catch a plane). Anyway, it's evident the man knows and loves what 
>> he does and can speak authoritatively about it. Yeah, having something else 
>> NOT to worry about is worth supporting.
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:14:43 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .  I stopped making my own wheels long ago.  It's not my passion, not 
>>> my talent, so let the masters do their thing and I gladly support them :)  
>>> Joe Young is another wheel artist .
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[Mike]

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:59:29 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote: 
>
> thank you all for the ideas.   I think Im just gonna go with the BBs, w/o 
> fenders and take my chances. 

 
Michael, you do realize if you don't put fenders on it's sure to rain and 
that if you put them on you won't see a cloud in the sky...
 
I'm sure you'll be fine without them. I hope you'll post pictures of your 
trip. It sounds like a winner. Sounds like you'll be pedaling through 
Gifford Pinchot NF. I love it there. Fantastic quiet roads and amazing 
views of the Cascades.
 
--mike

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Re: [RBW] My New Sam

[Mike]

Beautiful bike! I'm definitely putting Albas on my Hilsen later this summer.
 
--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[Michael Williams]

thank you all for the ideas.   I think Im just gonna go with the BBs, w/o
fenders and take my chances.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:33 PM, David Craig wrote:

> My wife and I rode the Washington and Oregon Sierra Cascades Route a few
> years ago. It rained a couple of times. We could have easily avoided riding
> in the rain by cowering in a restaurant or by staying in camp. Every year
> is different in the mountains. There are climatic standards, but year to
> year it could be wet or dry. Whether you use fenders or not ultimately
> depends on how much you care to tolerate picking little bits of gravel out
> of your hair.
>
> Could I offer some unsolicited advice? If not STOP READING HERE. : )
>
> I can't imagine touring on 55 BB's. To each his own. I much prefer 50
> Schwalbe Marathon Supremes; They're much lighter than BB's and they work
> just fine for the Sierra Cascades Route - even on the optional dirt
> sections. Also, if you're riding a Riv with 700c's you might find as I did
> that larger tires don't fit well in public trans bike racks or in Amtrak
> boxes. On some tours, we've made use of public trans buses that run between
> coast towns and in larger cities. We've found this approach to work great
> when we'd prefer not to ride in traffic or when one of us is ill or injured
> and we'd still like to make some miles. I once spent a bus ride really
> sketched out with my Bombadil precariously bungeed to the front of a
> coastal bus. Traveling is so easy with the Amtrak boxes that require
> minimal disassembly that we've used that mode of travel many times. I've
> since switched to a 26r Long Haul Trucker so that I can run big tires and
> have a slightly more compact bike for public transport. Using public
> transportation might not be in your plan, but it's a nice option that is
> facilitated by smaller diameter tires. FYI, my Atlantis fit just fine in
> racks and boxes with 37 and 40 mm tires.
>
> If you haven't already considered it, don't bother packing a full sized
> spare for the big tires you are running; it takes up space unnecessarily
> for Stateside touring. In thousands of miles of touring in the US, I've
> only destroyed a couple of tires unexpectedly. Every other tire problem
> gave me plenty of notice. However, large, 700c Schwalbes are far from
> common in LBS's. So, do buy a full-sized spare (I've found that Schwalbe is
> often out of stock on some tires.) Leave it at home packaged and ready to
> go with someone reliable. In these days of 2 day and overnight shipping,
> you can easily have a tire sent to a bike shop or PO. When I was touring on
> 700 c's y wife and I packed just one spare between us - a 32 or 35 mm
> Pasela to fit her Heron and my Riv. We never needed to use it in a total of
> 6 to 8 months of touring. If I had damaged a tire, I simply would of run
> the small tire on the front and the large tire on the rear until I could
> get a replacement.
>
> Dave
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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[IanA]

I agree that is important to support the artisans and tradesmen, especially 
in fields where mass production slowly erode our expectations of quality. 
 But, what is it about Rich's process that makes a wheel never run out of 
true?  If a builder is using quality and appropriate components with 
correctly calculated spoke length and gradually builds the wheel to create 
balanced ideal uniform tension throughout, relying on a tensionometer and 
dishing gauge, what is the difference between one builder and another if 
discipline in these areas is followed?

I've read of some builders who use some method of securing the spoke nipple 
- Blue Loctitie or linseed oil, whereas others might think of this step as 
unnecessary, but perhaps this step makes a significant difference in 
certain situations (more weight/more aggressive riding style?).  Why does 
the otherwise accomplished amateur mechanic find wheel building to be any 
more intimidating than installing brake levers?  If there is mechanical 
sympathy, should the wheel build be straightforward enough with the correct 
tools.  

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:19:03 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
>
> It is the business of the wealthy man,
> To give employment to the artisan.
> (Last two lines from a four line poem by Hilaire Belloc)
>
> I was fortunate to attend the first hour and a half of a multi-hour 
> lecture/demonstration Rich gave a couple of years ago at RBW. (I had to 
> leave to catch a plane). Anyway, it's evident the man knows and loves what 
> he does and can speak authoritatively about it. Yeah, having something else 
> NOT to worry about is worth supporting.
>
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:14:43 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> .  I stopped making my own wheels long ago.  It's not my passion, 
>> not my talent, so let the masters do their thing and I gladly support them 
>> :)  Joe Young is another wheel artist . 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rich-built wheels

[James Warren]

Hearty endorsement here for Rich. LX hubs and Atlas rims for the Hunqapillar. 
They are great wheels.

Also Rich was smart about what I wanted and talked me out of the XT hubs, 
arguing that the LX's of the generation would not be compromised for weight 
savings the way the XT's are.

The wheels have held up well to single-track offroading and touring.

It's it my imagination when I perceive that this bikes rides extra-smooth? In 
any event, I love the wheels.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 20, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Tony  wrote:

> A few recent comments from a local club's chatter list answering a member's, 
> "Any good local wheel builders?" query. ~Tony
> 
> Rich Lesnik is reputed to be the best wheel builder around, tho I think he is 
> too modest to claim that position. He is a member of the club.
> 
> Rich Lesnik has the reputation. Wheelbuilding is his specialty and he seems 
> to be considered a master. He builds dozen(s) of wheels per week -- for 
> starters, he builds all the wheels for Rivendell, whose reputation you 
> probably know -- so if practice make perfect, he sure gets the practice. He 
> gets repeated high recommendations on the SF Randonneurs maillist. The rear 
> wheel he rebuilt for me 3 years ago (old hub, new rim) has gone over 20,000 
> miles without needing a single re-true. I have used other wheelbuilders with 
> good reputations, but none have built me a wheel which stays true like that. 
> At that time, Rich was recommended to me by a particularly large / heavy 
> (>200lb) / strong GPC member who told me that Rich's wheels can stand up to 
> *him*.
> 
> After I managed to destroy a wheel that a local shop claimed was 
> "bomb-proof," I called Rich. I was in the final stages of qualifying for PBP 
> and wanted one less thing to worry about. Rich built me a rear wheel on an 
> expedited basis so that I could ride my 600k brevet the following week. This 
> wheel has been with me since 2011 with many thousands of miles, PBP, and 
> local commuting. I am one of those >200 lb. riders, so when I load up the 
> bike for a long brevet, the wheels get a workout. The wheel Rich built has 
> never had an issue, never needed truing, and just keeps rolling.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivved-out Velo Orange Polyvalent MKII 57 cm

[cbone97]

oops.  reply off-list at cbone97@gmail


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Re: [RBW] WTB: Grip Kings

[Dan McNamara]

I have a set. I'll be home on Monday and can send pics. 

Dan

-Marin

On Jul 20, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> Looking for a used (but in good shape) set of Grip King pedals for my sons 
> bike. I figured someone here would have a set. 
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[RBW] FS: Rivved-out Velo Orange Polyvalent MKII 57 cm - cheap (enough) - stripped or as it sits

[cbone97]

Selling my first foray toward 650B and general Rivish biking in hopes of 
buying a web special Sam Hillborne.  I built this up after Christmas with 
all the Riv parts being new, save the rack and bag. Everything else was 
also new or gently used.  This is a great bike, I just came into some 700c 
wheels and other stuff I could use to build a Sam.  

I live in Columbia MO and can deliver to many MO, So. Illinois, or W. KY 
locations at little to no charge.  I'll ship however you want, though I 
would advise professional packing as I'm inexperienced.  Or insure it and 
and I'll do my level best and/or to your specs.   Ask questions here for 
all or contact me off list to discuss purchase / delivery.

I will sell the frame (includes bb, VO headset, brakes, seatpost, cable 
stops) and wheels/cassette with both sets of tires for $650 or the whole 
enchilada for...hmm, haven't totaled it up but it would be my base price 
plus the other stuff at retail minus 25%.  I'd also keep most any of the 
Riv Stuff and discount accordingly.  The frame is in excellent, lightly 
used condition. No dings and no scratches worth mentioning that I'm aware 
of.  PP accepted if you cover charges, or I'll take a USPS money order or 
wait for your bank check to clear.  

Riv stuff:
Sugino wide/low double crank
Grip King pedals
(1) single Sunrace thumb shifter for rear der
Brooks B67 saddle
Albatross CroMo h'bars
Nitto Tallux 10 cm stem
Tektro FL750 brake levers
chain
Shimano bb
9 speed Shimano cassette
Nitto R15 rack (not installed)
Sackville grid grey large trunksack
pair of Fatty Rumpkin 650B tires, used but lots of good tread left (these 
came with the bike and frame, I didn't buy 'em new)
pair of Conti Tour Ride 650Bs, maybe 150 miles from new

Non-Riv parts:
cheap 650B wheels, 36 spoke. This is why I can sell the frame and bike for 
what I'm selling it for.  Yes, they could be more special, but don't let 
the generic-ness put you off. They are strong, true and roll just fine.
VO Grand Cru long setback seatpost
VO Grand Cru MK II cantilever brakes
VO downtube cable stops
VO cabling, orange housing
Shimano Alivio rear der, (there is no front der.)
9 speed Shimano cassette
Surly rear brake cable hanger

Here's a pic.  I'm keeping the bottle cages and kickstand. I have a VO 
orange tourist bar on it in this pic, but the Albas will be what you get.


I'll be glad to text more, detailed / close ups at your request.

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[RBW] WTB: Grip Kings

[Johnny Alien]

Looking for a used (but in good shape) set of Grip King pedals for my sons 
bike. I figured someone here would have a set. 

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[RBW] FS: Rivved-out Velo Orange Polyvalent MKII 57 cm

[cbone97]

Selling my first foray toward 650B and general Rivish biking in hopes of 
buying a web special Sam Hillborne.  I built this up after Christmas with 
all the Riv parts being new, save the rack and bag. Everything else was 
also new or gently used.  This is a great bike, I just came into some 700c 
wheels and other stuff I could use to build a Sam.  

I live in Columbia MO and can deliver to many MO, So. Illinois, or W. KY 
locations at little to no charge.  I'll ship however you want, though I 
would advise professional packing as I'm inexperienced.  Or insure it and 
and I'll do my level best and/or to your specs.   Ask questions here for 
all or contact me off list to discuss purchase / delivery.

I will sell the frame (includes bb, VO headset, brakes, seatpost, cable 
stops) and wheels/cassette with both sets of tires for $650 or the whole 
enchilada for...hmm, haven't totaled it up but it would be my base price 
plus the other stuff at retail minus 25%.  I'd also keep most any of the 
Riv Stuff and discount accordingly.  The frame is in excellent, lightly 
used condition. No dings and no scratches worth mentioning that I'm aware 
of.  PP accepted if you cover charges, or I'll take a USPS money order or 
wait for your bank check to clear.  

Riv stuff:
Sugino wide/low double crank
Grip King pedals
(1) single Sunrace thumb shifter for rear der
Brooks B67 saddle
Albatross CroMo h'bars
Nitto Tallux 10 cm stem
Tektro FL750 brake levers
Shimano bb
Nitto R15 rack (not installed)
Sackville grid grey large trunksack
pair of Fatty Rumpkin 650B tires, used but lots of good tread left (these 
came with the bike and frame, I didn't buy 'em new)
pair of Conti Tour Ride 650Bs, maybe 150 miles from new
Schwalbe tubes

Non-Riv parts:
budget double wall 650 32h wheels. Rear hub is a Shimano FH-RM30 and the 
front hub is ???.  These why I can sell the frame and bike for what I'm 
selling it for.  They could be fancier, but don't let this put you off. 
They are strong, true and roll just fine.
SRAM PC-890 P-link chain 
9 speed cassette, it came with the wheels and I can't swear to the brand
VO Grand Cru headset
VO Grand Cru long setback seatpost
VO Grand Cru MK II cantilever brakes
VO downtube cable stops
VO cabling, orange housing
VO quick release skewers
Shimano Alivio rear der, (there is no front der.)
Surly rear brake cable hanger

I'm having a hard time getting a pic on here but can text it to you.  I 
have a VO orange tourist bar on it in this pic, but the Albas will be what 
you get.  I'm keeping the bell, cages, and kickstand.

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Re: [RBW] My New Sam

[Brian Hanson]

Lovely Sam! Two tone is key!  Great classic riv build.

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:38 AM, djbardwil  wrote:

> Like most of us I would imagine, I keep lookout on the Rivendell site and am 
> also the happy owner of a Custom and an Atlantis.   Both bikes were local 
> purchases found through eBay and built-up with the assistance and supply from 
> the great folks at Rivendell.  
> 
> As of today, I am the proud new owner of my first new (demo) Rivendell - a 48 
> cm Sam I had the luck of finding on rivbike.com at the moment it was being 
> posted for sale.  First there was a listing with no photo and, seconds later, 
> the photo appeared and the price was great.  Having hemmed and hawed over a 
> similar 48 cm Hunqa frame months ago and finding it no longer listed one day, 
> I acted quickly:  1) pleaded with wife; 2) made some promises; 3) called Riv 
> - spoke with Keven (an awesome fellow - promised it would be my favorite); 4) 
> made the purchase.
> 
> The bike arrived yesterday with the best packing I've ever seen, and the 
> first shipped bike I've received that was not damaged in any way.  Assembling 
> it was a breeze and interesting to see how the parts were assembled in the 
> box, zip-tied, bubble wrapped and foam protected - amazing work.   I took my 
> first ride this morning and it was instantly comfortable with a wonderful 
> upright position everyone here describes as the benefit to the Albas; the 
> seat is a sprung Brooks Flyer (pre-aged) and the tires are Fatty Rumpkin 
> 650Bs - smooth and comfortable.
> 
> My stable is complete (I promised) - what a great experience!
> 
> 
> 
> Links to flickr photos (hopefully no issues with viewing) for you:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327917838/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327917096/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327915888/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327915252/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327913962/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327913342/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327912184/in/photostream/
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Burley trailers for the price of one. Burley Solo/Cargo

[William]

Bump, now with pictures of the trailer in both the Kid-Configuration and 
the Cargo-Configuration

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157634724093620/

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:50:43 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> When my son was born I bought a Burley Solo.  At that time I had done a 
> fair amount of touring with a cargo trailer and liked it a lot, so I also 
> sprung for the Burley conversion kit that converts my Burley Solo to a 
> Cargo Trailer.  I used it as a kid trailer a fair amount, maybe once a week 
> in the summers.  My daughter arrived a couple years later and we still used 
> it maybe 15x a year for short putts around town.  Now it has been sitting.  
> Both kids are way too big, and I now carry all my luggage for S24Os and 
> touring on Nitto Racks and matching bags.  
>
> So, I admit I do not need my Burley trailer any more.  So, before I go the 
> ebay route, I'm offering it here.  It's a Burley Solo purchased in 2001.  
> It's in very good used condition, and has always been stored in the 
> garage.  It fits one child, up to 50lbs, and it has a space behind the kid 
> for play gear or a bag of groceries.  It comes with an optional conversion 
> kit to make it into a cargo trailer.  I'd like to get $200 plus shipping.  
> I am in the East Bay.  Local exchange is preferred, but not mandatory.  I 
> just hate how much it costs to ship things.  
>
> Anyone who is interested contact me offlist and I can share copious photos 
> and answer any questions.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[cyclotourist]

Those Portland people are good ones! I was envious reading about this meet up!

Next summer... :-)

On 7/20/13, Adam  wrote:
> It was a pleasure to meet you guys last night and spend some time chatting.
> It is clear that you all have a solid community here and thank you for being
> so welcoming to Julia and I. It was great to hear some stories and spend
> very little of conversation focused on gear :) Russ and Laura from the Path
> Less Pedaled joined us and Russ led us to toast in memory of Seth Vidal
> which was touching to me. It was my first experience of meeting up with
> people from this list serve and it was clear that this community extends
> into real personal relationships.
>
> Hope you all continue to enjoy this Portland sunshine and let us know when
> you're down in the bay.
>
> Warmly,
> Adam
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[RBW] For Sale: Nitto, Phil, Ritchey, Velo-Orange, etc.

[justinaugust]

Hi Folks-
Summer cleaning and general desire to not be a hoarder.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/sets/72157634724051356/
^ Flickr link with notes on the pictures.
Consider all prices OBO and need shipping added to them.

   - SCORCHER Bars! Get wide and wild on some single track! $40
   - 
   - Velo-Orange Porteur bars. 25.4 clamp, accepts ROAD LEVERS and bar-end 
   shifters/brakes. $25
   - 
   - Rivendell Albastache. New, unused. $75
   - 
   - Ritchey Logic Triple + Phil Wood BB. 172.5 arms. Chainrings - I have a 
   variety of them! We can talk. BB is like 122. Perfect length for a Riv 
   frame. Includes fixing cups. $100 for the set. Not interested in breaking 
   it up.
   - 
   - Bontrager 1 1/8" threadless stem. 90-ish extension. Nice, solid, 
   light stem. $10
   - 
   - Pletscher double leg kickstand. Unused. No bolt or top plate. They are 
   like 5 bucks. $40
   - 
   - Racor Wall mount bike hook. $10
   - 
   - Shimano 600 Rear Derailleur, short cage. $35
   - 
   - Cateye Front + Rear light set. Unused. $25
   - 
   - Campy Pista cranks w/ matching BB and 42t chainring. 165mm $75
   - 
   - Shutter Precision PV-8 Dynohub. Polished silver. Never used. $75
   - 
   - Carradice Longflap Camper. Hardly used. Expandable flap. $125
   - 
   - Silver Hupe. Attaches to the seat stays to support a saddlebag. $15
   - 
   - No Name Mini front rack. Only works with center pulls. No support 
   aside from the hole for brake bolt. This is like the Wald of mini racks. $15
   - 
   - B&M Halogen dyno-powered light. $25
   - Tektro RBP Straddle hangers + Cables. $10
   - 
   - WTB SpeedV Saddle. $25
   - 
   - Phil Wood 111mm BB w/ Fixing cups. $50

Email me off list at justinaug...@gmail.com
Shipping is from Philadelphia, 19146. Local pickup would be awesome.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[RJM]

I have two sets of Rich built wheels for my Sam. One is a 32 hole, LX hub, 
650b Synergy rim set that I got second hand, the other is a 36 hole Phil 
"Rivy" freewheel hub with 650b Dyad rims that I bought new. Both of these 
wheelsets have been top notch. I would have absolutely no issue buying 
another set of Rich built wheels. 

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[RBW] Re: Rich-built wheels

[Garth]

There's lots of THE best Wheelbuilders ;-)  But most people don't know/care 
what a really good wheel is or can be, so they are indiscriminate as to who 
they allow build their wheels. Making wheels that "stand" (don't go out of 
true) is certainly an art, and as all art no one is "the best".  I stopped 
making my own wheels long ago.  It's not my passion, not my talent, so let 
the masters do their thing and I gladly support them :)  Joe Young is 
another wheel artist . 

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[RBW] Rich-built wheels

[Tony]

A few recent comments from a local club's chatter list answering a 
member's, "Any good local wheel builders?" query. ~Tony

Rich Lesnik is reputed to be the best wheel builder around, tho I think he 
is too modest to claim that position. He is a member of the club. 


 Rich Lesnik has the reputation. Wheelbuilding is his specialty and he 
seems to be considered a master. He builds dozen(s) of wheels per week -- 
for starters, he builds all the wheels for Rivendell, whose reputation you 
probably know -- so if practice make perfect, he sure gets the practice. He 
gets repeated high recommendations on the SF Randonneurs maillist. The rear 
wheel he rebuilt for me 3 years ago (old hub, new rim) has gone over 20,000 
miles without needing a single re-true. I have used other wheelbuilders 
with good reputations, but none have built me a wheel which stays true like 
that. At that time, Rich was recommended to me by a particularly large / 
heavy (>200lb) / strong GPC member who told me that Rich's wheels can stand 
up to *him*. 


 After I managed to destroy a wheel that a local shop claimed was 
"bomb-proof," I called Rich. I was in the final stages of qualifying for 
PBP and wanted one less thing to worry about. Rich built me a rear wheel on 
an expedited basis so that I could ride my 600k brevet the following week. 
This wheel has been with me since 2011 with many thousands of miles, PBP, 
and local commuting. I am one of those >200 lb. riders, so when I load up 
the bike for a long brevet, the wheels get a workout. The wheel Rich built 
has never had an issue, never needed truing, and just keeps rolling. 

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[RBW] Re: My New Sam

[Reid]

Very nice!
 
I keep threatening to get an AHH. However, I live so close to Riv HQ, that 
I would just go and pick up the finished bike. But looking at your pics, I 
realize that if I did that, I would be missing out on the full Riv 
experience. So, the question is: Is it worth paying shipping just to get 
the custom decorated box? I'm sooo confused!
 
Reid
 
 

 

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

[Michael]

>
> I looked up their site. 50-90 miles a day depending on that year's route.
>
It is a ride for fun and not a race. Cool.
I looked at the training page and sounds doable if you are in good shape.
 
How did you all train for this? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Adam]

It was a pleasure to meet you guys last night and spend some time chatting. It 
is clear that you all have a solid community here and thank you for being so 
welcoming to Julia and I. It was great to hear some stories and spend very 
little of conversation focused on gear :) Russ and Laura from the Path Less 
Pedaled joined us and Russ led us to toast in memory of Seth Vidal which was 
touching to me. It was my first experience of meeting up with people from this 
list serve and it was clear that this community extends into real personal 
relationships. 

Hope you all continue to enjoy this Portland sunshine and let us know when 
you're down in the bay. 

Warmly,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: Blug 7/19 S240 Pics

[Jeremy Till]

Knowing the area, it's probably state property--Mt. Diablo State Park, most 
likely.  Illegal (probably) because they're camping at a secluded spot back 
off one of the trails, not in one of the designated car camping sites on 
the road up the mountain.  

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:01:09 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Gotta love Manny looking cool and collected off roading in J Crew!
>
> Great pics all around.
>
> Question for the locals: GP says the camping is technically illegal.  Is 
> that trail on State or private property?
>
>

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[RBW] WTT - 64 QB FFHS for similar YG or Willbury

[Marty]

Looking to trade a pristine 64cm orange Quickbeam FFHS for 62cm Yves Gomez 
or Willbury. Chris King HS included. This frame is perfect once I'm on it, 
but leg/knee issues are making it harder to swing over the TT. Pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/sets/72157629123462990/


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[RBW] Re: FS Carradice, Nitto etc.

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Everything is gone, thanks.

Now I just have to get through the next few days of work and hope Alitalia 
doesn't lose my luggage.

Jay

On Friday, July 19, 2013 9:17:52 AM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I will be in the US next week, so I'm taking this opportunity to clean out 
> my parts bin.
>
> On offer:
>
> Nitto Technomic stem, 8 cm extension, purchased used on this list, $40 
> shipped
>
> Carradice CarryDry handlebar bar, 9 liters, waterproof, comes with 
> klickfix adaptor, detachable map holder and light bracket. Light bracket 
> has limited clearance which didn't work for me. I've used it a couple of 
> times but not enough to justify keeping it. I would say excellent used 
> condition. Yours for $50 shipped. 
>
> http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=type&product_id=54
>
> Pasela Tourgaurds, 32mm, used for maybe 500 miles until I upgraded to 
> Supremes, a little dirty, no visible wear on the front, a bit on the rear , 
> $25 shipped for the pair
>
> Tektro RL520 Ergo Brake Levers for Linear Pull Black/Silver, the ones that 
> let you use v-brakes with your road bars. Used for 2 years with the Noodles 
> I just sold. $10 shipped or free with any other purchase. 
>
> Pictures on request. Whatever sells by Wednesday will come with me in my 
> suitcase and get mailed on Friday. 
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Sam

[djbardwil]

We'll see - that will be the first upgrade but I am not sure I want to go 
with SKS Longboards or Chromoplastics based on some of the issues with 
fender lines /  bulging I've seen brought up here.  I am assured by RBW 
that longboards will fit fine.  

Thank you for the compliments.

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:51:22 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Congrats!!
>>
> Thanks for sharing pics. Beautiful!
> Will you have clearance for fenders with the Rumpkins? Just curious. 
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Sam

[Johnny Alien]

Great looking bike.  Mine is arriving this Thursday and it built up in much 
the same way!  Killer score!

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:38:35 AM UTC-4, djbardwil wrote:
>
> Like most of us I would imagine, I keep lookout on the Rivendell site and 
> am also the happy owner of a Custom and an Atlantis.   Both bikes were 
> local purchases found through eBay and built-up with the assistance and 
> supply from the great folks at Rivendell.  
>
> As of today, I am the proud new owner of my first new (demo) Rivendell - a 
> 48 cm Sam I had the luck of finding on rivbike.com at the moment it was 
> being posted for sale.  First there was a listing with no photo and, 
> seconds later, the photo appeared and the price was great.  Having hemmed 
> and hawed over a similar 48 cm Hunqa frame months ago and finding it no 
> longer listed one day, I acted quickly:  1) pleaded with wife; 2) made some 
> promises; 3) called Riv - spoke with Keven (an awesome fellow - promised it 
> would be my favorite); 4) made the purchase.
>
> The bike arrived yesterday with the best packing I've ever seen, and the 
> first shipped bike I've received that was not damaged in any way. 
>  Assembling it was a breeze and interesting to see how the parts were 
> assembled in the box, zip-tied, bubble wrapped and foam protected - amazing 
> work.   I took my first ride this morning and it was instantly comfortable 
> with a wonderful upright position everyone here describes as the benefit to 
> the Albas; the seat is a sprung Brooks Flyer (pre-aged) and the tires are 
> Fatty Rumpkin 650Bs - smooth and comfortable.
>
> My stable is complete (I promised) - what a great experience!
>
>
>
> Links to flickr photos (hopefully no issues with viewing) for you:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327917838/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327917096/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327915888/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327915252/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327913962/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327913342/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327912184/in/photostream/
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Sam

[Michael]

>
> Congrats!!
>
Thanks for sharing pics. Beautiful!
Will you have clearance for fenders with the Rumpkins? Just curious. 

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[RBW] My New Sam

[djbardwil]

Like most of us I would imagine, I keep lookout on the Rivendell site and 
am also the happy owner of a Custom and an Atlantis.   Both bikes were 
local purchases found through eBay and built-up with the assistance and 
supply from the great folks at Rivendell.  

As of today, I am the proud new owner of my first new (demo) Rivendell - a 
48 cm Sam I had the luck of finding on rivbike.com at the moment it was 
being posted for sale.  First there was a listing with no photo and, 
seconds later, the photo appeared and the price was great.  Having hemmed 
and hawed over a similar 48 cm Hunqa frame months ago and finding it no 
longer listed one day, I acted quickly:  1) pleaded with wife; 2) made some 
promises; 3) called Riv - spoke with Keven (an awesome fellow - promised it 
would be my favorite); 4) made the purchase.

The bike arrived yesterday with the best packing I've ever seen, and the 
first shipped bike I've received that was not damaged in any way. 
 Assembling it was a breeze and interesting to see how the parts were 
assembled in the box, zip-tied, bubble wrapped and foam protected - amazing 
work.   I took my first ride this morning and it was instantly comfortable 
with a wonderful upright position everyone here describes as the benefit to 
the Albas; the seat is a sprung Brooks Flyer (pre-aged) and the tires are 
Fatty Rumpkin 650Bs - smooth and comfortable.

My stable is complete (I promised) - what a great experience!



Links to flickr photos (hopefully no issues with viewing) for you:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327917838/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327917096/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327915888/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327915252/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327913962/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327913342/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45736724@N04/9327912184/in/photostream/



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Re: [RBW] Re: Need shoe recommendations for riding.

[Bruce Herbitter]

>From suggestions on this list, I've tried Adiddas Samba Milleniums, and
Vitruvian running shoed. The 1st are a bit narrow for me, while the second
are super comfy, but the sole comes unglued after a while due to the
pressure of the pedal (MKS Sylvans) in the center of the shoe.  I also use
and like Patagonia Boaris shoes in cooler weather.

In hot weather, I perfer Keen sandals. For short casual rides, the street
sandals. For longer rides, cycling sandals (I remove the steel plate as I
don't use cleats) with stiffer sole.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need shoe recommendations for riding.

[Matt Beebe]

I like to just use pedals that are shoe-agnostic, rubber block pedals are 
good for this.   I imagine grip-kings are good too if you don't use pins, 
but rubber is definitely easy on leather soles, moccasins or bare feet.

Matt

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot headset question

[Michael]

>
> Now that sounds like an interesting solution.
>
 
Don't know if it would fill the gap. 
 
Maybe put a rubber O-ring in there and then twine on top of it so it stays 
in place and doesn't ride up the stem.
 

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[RBW] Blug 7/19 S240 Pics

[Matthew J]

Gotta love Manny looking cool and collected off roading in J Crew!

Great pics all around.

Question for the locals: GP says the camping is technically illegal.  Is that 
trail on State or private property?

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