Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Philip Williamson]

Amen to "you don't have to justify your bike." 
I'm not surprised that we (the oft-posters) skew towards less technical 
bikes. Are there lurking dual-suspension riders? 

Philip
www.biketinker.com



On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:42:27 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:48:38 PM UTC-8, EricP wrote:
>>
>> Well, my "excuse" and it is only that, is moderate to severe carpal 
>> tunnel syndrome for the past 30 years.  Bad enough that my hands can go 
>> numb riding a bike no handed.  But granted, suspension is only a crutch. 
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear about your carpal tunnel. That being said, you don't 
> have to justify front suspension to this group or anyone else. If someone 
> thinks it's overkill, well, that is just not their business.
>
> As for washboard, I've ridden it on rigid 2.4" wheels, on full suspension, 
> and on a Pugsley. Bike suspension really isn't active enough to do much on 
> a washboard. You still get plenty of jackhammering, softened a little bit. 
> But you can also get some odd bounces that you don't get on rigid. If you 
> want to mitigate washboard, you want a 3" tire at 20 lbs pressure or so. 
> The soft tire will give quickly with each agitation and make things 
> smoother than suspension. IMHE.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1400 shipped - bump and price drop

[debra banks]

Thanks Bubba! I think I'll get Ken to do some measurements and then return 
to the hunt...

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:58:28 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Deb my dear,
>
> I think a 58cm Rambouillet is a little bit small for a true 6-footer, 
> especially with a flat bar setup.  I think I could fit well on a 58 Ram 
> with a drop bar setup, but I'm only 5'10".  A 59 San Marcos could be a good 
> flat bar candidate for a 6-footer, but then he'd have the very polarizing 
> second top tube to contend with.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> #6551
> (aka bubba)  
>
>
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:04:16 PM UTC-8, debra banks wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Leslie for this. 
>>
>> My guy is a long-legged 6 footer. He has been riding an old Marin mtn 
>> bike with flat handlebar. Nothing special about it, his standover height 
>> looks about normal (I know, what is normal these days?, but when I ride 
>> with him, the bike seems well proportioned - frame to crotch, reach of 
>> hands to bar). He will most likely put a flat bar of some sort on this, so 
>> will not the reach for the hoods that we factor in. So what do you think?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:49:13 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:38:36 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:

 Sizing. I think the 58 would be too small. Especially with the 8cm 
 stem. Here is the link to the original brochure with sizing info: 

 http://cyclofiend.3795Goh311b3nt/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/17.html 

 For a 6' rider a 62 would be a much better fit. I am 5'9" and the 58 
 fits fine. Although I find the 8cm stem a little too short. 

 There is a really clean 62 Ram on CL from Alameda. That might be a 
 better bet. He has it on eBay as well. If you need help checking that out 
 let me know. I work in Berkeley so not too far from Alameda. 

 Let me know if you want more info. 

>>>
>>> To throw in my two cents' worth here:I'm 6', but a 62 would feel a 
>>> bit large;  I have a 60 Ram, and a 59 Rom, and actually like the Rom 
>>> better, if on the same wheels.  But I know people my height that think my 
>>> 60 is too tall even, and others that would rather go bigger...  It's not 
>>> just height, but PBH that factors in there.  The PBH will get you on the 
>>> right frame to start with, then the height can nudge you in a particular 
>>> direction for a stem-length or handlebar style.   Stems and bars can be 
>>> changed tho'... get the frame right, and the rest can be adjusted.
>>>
>>> So with that said, is your guy a long-legged 6' guy, or is he 
>>> short-legged and long-torsoed?
>>>
>>> Just something to mull over
>>>  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Michael]

That looks like some seriously fun riding!

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Michael]

I own 0 mountain bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Sam H. + Hetres + Fenders = Tire Rub?

[Michael]

I have Hetres on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 Longboards.
About 1cm clearance between tires and all stays/forks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Tom Virgil]

Dear Hugh,

In his time, Colin Fletcher made an impression on me with his "1000 Mile 
Summer" that has stayed with me from my teens to my present age.  The 
Panamints are featured as are many things.  The book inspired a wilderness 
ethic that is a part of my life (along with "Complete Walker" and his other 
works).  Off topic for Rivsters, but I am sentimental about it.

Take care, good friend,

Tom



On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:58:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Yep, or one of the lesser valleys in DVNP perhaps Panamint or Eureka.
>
> -Hugh
> On Feb 18, 2014 9:55 PM, "Tom Virgil" > 
> wrote:
>
>> The ever clueless Tom asks "What is 'DV'"?  Death Valley?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:31:18 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> My guess is DV. Looks good.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
 Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
 You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
 coming back from some amazing adventure.

 He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
 romantic. 

 Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 

 Seriously his shots are amazing. 

 http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L

 Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
 Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
 amazing pictures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Hugh Smitham]

Yep, or one of the lesser valleys in DVNP perhaps Panamint or Eureka.

-Hugh
On Feb 18, 2014 9:55 PM, "Tom Virgil"  wrote:

> The ever clueless Tom asks "What is 'DV'"?  Death Valley?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:31:18 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> My guess is DV. Looks good.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
>>> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
>>> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always
>>> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>>>
>>> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and
>>> romantic.
>>>
>>> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy.
>>>
>>> Seriously his shots are amazing.
>>>
>>> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>>>
>>> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride.
>>> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take
>>> amazing pictures.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Atlantis

[Anne Paulson]

If you bought the bike and didn't want the Large Saddlesack, I'm sure
you could get a nice price for it by selling it on this list.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Just a note. The CL ad states he doesn't want to part out. The build is
> excellent and the price IMO quite reasonable considering what it would cost
> to build it up. If money is tight then maybe offer to make two payments.
> Many times people are willing to work with you in instances. The fact he's
> throwing in the racks and bags make this a deal. Nuff said.
>
> -Hugh
>
> On Feb 18, 2014 1:54 PM, "Mike C518"  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the link! That's exactly what I am looking for! I've sent an
>> email, waiting to hear back and keeping my fingered crossed on this one.
>>
>> I've been a huge fan and admire of rivendell for the longest time, and
>> this summer actually was able to visit walnut creek and the two riv
>> locations. I guess after that experience and being able to ride some of the
>> bikes really made me relize how much I want (need?) one. I remember thinking
>> to myself while testing the hunquapillar that I never wanted to get off the
>> thing or ride another bike!
>>
>> But my heart is set on an Atlantis. At this point if the price is fair I
>> am open to buying either as a f/f/hs or complete. And always willing to do
>> trading as we'll.
>>
>> Thanks for keeping you eyes peeled for me
>>
>> Still looking
>>
>> -mike
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[RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Tom Virgil]

The ever clueless Tom asks "What is 'DV'"?  Death Valley?

Thanks,

Tom

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:31:18 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> My guess is DV. Looks good.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
>> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
>> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
>> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>>
>> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
>> romantic. 
>>
>> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 
>>
>> Seriously his shots are amazing. 
>>
>> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>>
>> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
>> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
>> amazing pictures.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Sam H. + Hetres + Fenders = Tire Rub?

[Peter Morgano]

Are you sure it is frame flex and not a wheel slightly out of true?  I
could fit hetres and Zeppelins on my Hilsen so I don't see how this combo
wouldn't work on a Sam, unless thos with early ones had tighter clearances.
On Feb 19, 2014 12:51 AM, "Aaron Young" <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> I have Hetres on my first-gen (gold 'n' green) Sam H. with VO Zeppelin
> fenders.  Clearances are fairly tight, but there is no tire rub as long as
> the wheels are true and the fenders are adjusted properly.
>
> However, under heavy pedaling it seems (sounds/feels like) some tire rub
> may occur as the bike flexes.  I can't see any wear marks on the tire, but
> any degree of tire rub is concerning to me.  I'm considering swapping tires
> to something a bit smaller, but before I do I want to ask the bunch:
>
> If you have a Sam H and are running 650bx42mm tires and have fenders, then
> what is your experience?  What tires and fenders are you using?  Any
> rubbing?
>
> Thanks,
>
>  Aaron "In general I like a rub, but just not tire rub" Young
> The Dalles, OR
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[RBW] Sam H. + Hetres + Fenders = Tire Rub?

[Aaron Young]

Hey gang,

I have Hetres on my first-gen (gold 'n' green) Sam H. with VO Zeppelin
fenders.  Clearances are fairly tight, but there is no tire rub as long as
the wheels are true and the fenders are adjusted properly.

However, under heavy pedaling it seems (sounds/feels like) some tire rub
may occur as the bike flexes.  I can't see any wear marks on the tire, but
any degree of tire rub is concerning to me.  I'm considering swapping tires
to something a bit smaller, but before I do I want to ask the bunch:

If you have a Sam H and are running 650bx42mm tires and have fenders, then
what is your experience?  What tires and fenders are you using?  Any
rubbing?

Thanks,

Aaron "In general I like a rub, but just not tire rub" Young
The Dalles, OR

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[RBW] Re: Pics from inside Waterford

[Tom Virgil]

I must have got in just under the wire.  My Boulder All 
Road was 
crafted at Waterford.  I do not know if the pin stripe was was done at 
Waterford or with one of Mike Kone's Boulder resources.  I can say I like 
it (the frame and the paint) very much.  Appreciate Tony's sharing his 
experience there.

Best Regards,

Tom

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:30:36 PM UTC-8, RonaTD wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:27:22 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>> Richard and Johanna at Waterford very kindly indulged my curiosity for 
>> their amazing workshop in Waterford.  
>>
>
> I was there on Friday afternoon, dropping off my almost 30 year old 
> Santana tandem frame for them to do a new paint job on it. It had been a 
> long time since I'd been there. A lot has changed in that time but, 
> ironically, it's a lot more like it was when we were building Herons than 
> in the intervening 15 years. It's really nice for them that they've been 
> able to go back to focusing on beautiful lugged steel road frames. And, 
> yes, they do their own painting. Unfortunately, though, the guy who did the 
> beautiful box striping on the Boulder Bicycle frames has retired. No box 
> striping for my Santana - rats!
>
> Ted Durant
>

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[RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[hsmitham]

My guess is DV. Looks good.

~Hugh

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>
> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
> romantic. 
>
> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 
>
> Seriously his shots are amazing. 
>
> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>
> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
> amazing pictures.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Tom Virgil]

Could we be talking "Tejas" and the Buena Suerte Cinnabar Mercury Mine 
Ghost 
Town?
  
One way or the other, it appears Jared knows how to run an adventure.  I 
like the "starry night" shots and bonfires.  I am honored to have had his 
support for my Sam Hillborne purchase.

Thanks for outing him as an adventurer.

Tom

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>
> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
> romantic. 
>
> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 
>
> Seriously his shots are amazing. 
>
> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>
> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
> amazing pictures.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[RonaTD]

Back to the thread topic … "oversize" vs "standard" or "skinny" tubes …

I have a variety of mostly Rivendell bikes (Herons, Riv Road, Riv MTB, 
Quickbeam, Bleriot Protovelo) generally built with plus-sized tubes, though 
the Riv Road has identical 28.6 top and down tubes.  And I have a 
Terraferma 650B skinny light tube brevet bike. 

FWIW… I can feel the obvious differences between them, but tires make far 
more difference than the frames make. That said, my favorite ride, in terms 
of performance and comfort, is the original Heron prototype road, built 
with "OS" 531 and the heavy seat and chain stays from the touring frame 
'cuz that's what Waterford had available. The rear of the bike is 
noticeably heavy when you pick it up. But when riding, it's like a magic 
carpet. I weigh all of 125-130 pounds. On paper, the Terraferma should be 
the clear winner. In practice, it hasn't worked out that way. 

My conclusion is that your mileage WILL vary.

Oh, and does this thread remind anyone else of the "standard reach brake" 
controversy, or does that just show how old I am?

Ted Durant

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[RBW] Re: Pics from inside Waterford

[RonaTD]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:27:22 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

> Richard and Johanna at Waterford very kindly indulged my curiosity for 
> their amazing workshop in Waterford.  
>

I was there on Friday afternoon, dropping off my almost 30 year old Santana 
tandem frame for them to do a new paint job on it. It had been a long time 
since I'd been there. A lot has changed in that time but, ironically, it's 
a lot more like it was when we were building Herons than in the intervening 
15 years. It's really nice for them that they've been able to go back to 
focusing on beautiful lugged steel road frames. And, yes, they do their own 
painting. Unfortunately, though, the guy who did the beautiful box striping 
on the Boulder Bicycle frames has retired. No box striping for my Santana - 
rats!

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[RBW] Way too good to keep to myself.

[Manuel Acosta]

Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
coming back from some amazing adventure.

He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and romantic. 

Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 

Seriously his shots are amazing. 

http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L

Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
amazing pictures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[dougP]

I just tell 'em "...the 20th century was good to me so that's where I'm 
staying..."  Provides ample wiggle room on lots of issues.  

dougP

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm on board with doing away with the "retrogrouch" label. The only 
> drawback is that it would eliminate an easy way of categorizing myself 
> when trying to relate my preferences to someone who's enthusiastic about a 
> lot of the "whizbang" advancements that I have no interest in.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> > wrote:
>
>>  I think it's long past time to retire "retrogrouch."  All it ever was 
>> was a term of derision directed at those who were too independent-minded to 
>> fall into a swoon at the mention of any gimcrack marketed as "something 
>> new" (in a field where little, if anything hasn't already been tried before 
>> at least once, if not many times over, most likely more than a lifetime 
>> ago).  
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 03:44 PM, Shaun Meehan wrote:
>>  
>> I get it. Everything old is new again, to the point where the 
>> "retrogrouch" is the guy/girl that's refusing to try the new old stuff 
>> because the old stuff is too new-fangled for him or her. Plus ça change 
>> and so forth...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Lindsay 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> This response is also tongue-in-cheek.  tongue in cheek, tongue in 
>>> cheek. 
>>>
>>>  Since the new fad is for super flexy bikes made from undersized skinny 
>>> tubes, who is the retrogrouch in this picture?  The young kid who is trying 
>>> this new flexible frame idea, having ridden stiff road bikes for the last 
>>> 10 years?  Is that kid the retrogrouch?  Or is the retrogrouch the person 
>>> who refuses to be open minded about the new fad for more flexible bikes, 
>>> because he (or she) is programmed with the sales pitch "you don't want a 
>>> bike that rides like a wet noodle" that they first heard 30 years ago?  
>>>
>>> I don't know the answer to that tongue in cheek question.  I own two 
>>> bikes with 'undersized' 28.6mm diameter downtubes.  They were both made 
>>> recently.  I bought them because I wanted to try out this new flexy thing. 
>>>  I like them both.  I also like my other bikes that have 31.8mm diameter 
>>> downtubes.  Am I a retrogrouch because flexiness is the exclusive domain of 
>>> old bikes, even if they were manufactured recently?  Or, since I haven't 
>>> made up my mind, am I not a retrogrouch?  Or, since I call a 31.8mm 
>>> downtube "OS", am I a retrogrouch, derisively insulting my own bikes?
>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Jim M.]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:48:38 PM UTC-8, EricP wrote:
>
> Well, my "excuse" and it is only that, is moderate to severe carpal tunnel 
> syndrome for the past 30 years.  Bad enough that my hands can go numb 
> riding a bike no handed.  But granted, suspension is only a crutch. 
>
> I'm sorry to hear about your carpal tunnel. That being said, you don't 
have to justify front suspension to this group or anyone else. If someone 
thinks it's overkill, well, that is just not their business.

As for washboard, I've ridden it on rigid 2.4" wheels, on full suspension, 
and on a Pugsley. Bike suspension really isn't active enough to do much on 
a washboard. You still get plenty of jackhammering, softened a little bit. 
But you can also get some odd bounces that you don't get on rigid. If you 
want to mitigate washboard, you want a 3" tire at 20 lbs pressure or so. 
The soft tire will give quickly with each agitation and make things 
smoother than suspension. IMHE.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[C.J. Filip]

Two.  Both are the same frame model, size and age: ~1995-built, 19", 
Independent Fabrication Dexluxes.  

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My Moustache or my 44Noodle for 40/41/42 Noodle

[Michael]

>
> To explain the "40/41/42 Noodle" designation.

 

> Some call it a 40, some a 41, others a 42.


That's why I used all the numbers.
But whatever that size is that is less than 44, is what I am looking for in 
a Noodle. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Mike Schiller]

I would certainly agree on the sturdiness of oversize tubing ruggedness 
is a function of material properties... usually meaning heat treated tubing 
which has 3 times the dent resistance of plain CroMo used on most 
production bikes. 

~mike

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:55:18 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> I agree and apologize about using the R-word. I don't have anything 
> against tubing of any diameter. I guess I would caution people not to think 
> it's more important than it is, but if you can find a frame that meets all 
> your other targets and also uses smaller size tubing, then go for it, if 
> you want to. Personally, I value sturdy ruggedness more than I value a 
> 'lively' ride. But to each his own.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Eric Platt]

Well, my "excuse" and it is only that, is moderate to severe carpal tunnel
syndrome for the past 30 years.  Bad enough that my hands can go numb
riding a bike no handed.  But granted, suspension is only a crutch.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Your elbows don't bend? Grin. I don't mean to be incredulous here. I
> genuinely want to understand. I realize the elbow bending requires bending
> and strength in the wrist. I just know that too often people think they
> need more cushioning, when in fact they would benefit from less to build
> strength and flexibility. Not always. Dependis on your specifics.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:27:36 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
>> I'll be an outlier.  If I were to buy a mountain bike (i.e. a purpose
>> designed bike for mainly single and double track, then it would have front
>> suspension.  My hands have been damaged over the years and the only way I
>> could ever do "serious" mountain biking is with suspension.
>>
>> That said, I now have a Surly Ogre with 2.3 inch wide tires that I am
>> hoping will be more forgiving.  Don't plan to ride it on anything rougher
>> than some double track trails, though.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>>


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Re: [RBW] How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Eric Daume]

I come to biking from a mountain biking background, so I maybe have a
different perspective than some. My current mtb fleet is:

- Surly Krampus 29+, just got this built up and only have ride on it so far
(it didn't go well, but blame the mechanic (me), not the frame).
see: http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/02/krampus-first-ride.html

- Specialized FSR 26er full suspension bike--it's a 2005, so "hopelessly
outdated" in the full sus world, but still works very, very well.
see the very bottom of:
http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-history-of-my-full-suspension-bikes.html

- Niner SIR9 29er hardtail, for sale as it was replaced by the Krampus

- Breezer Lightning Pro 26er steel hardtail, I just picked this frame up
and haven't built it yet--it might become a 69er.
see:
http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-new-bike-and-uh-another-and-wait-one.html


Anyway, my $0.02 is:

- get a separate mountain bike. Tires, fenders, racks, lights--these things
aren't really compatible between trail riding and road riding. Yes, you can
ride any tire on any surface, or find some middle compromise ground, but
off road riding works best with big, soft, knobby tires, which kind of suck
on the road--much like fenders aren't great off road. And when you're ready
for a road ride, you won't have to deal with your gritty, dirty mountain
bike.

- the best value is probably ~10 year old 26" stuff. It's suitably out of
style so it'll be cheap, but it's still modern enough to work well.
Especially this is when front ends started coming up, leaving behind the
"rear over front" feeling of 90s bikes, which makes for a much more
confidence inspiring ride.

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM, David Stein  wrote:

> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it.
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension.
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing,
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on).
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing.
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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Chris Lampe 2]

If you can find a Surly Troll to test ride, do so.  I'm riding a bike that 
isn't too far off from a Hunqapillar (except it maxes out at 40'ish mm 
tires) and there's no way I would be comfortable riding it as a "mountain 
bike".  I have now test ridden a Surly Karate Monkey and a Troll (both 
dedicated MTB geometry) and those bikes inspire the confidence to do things 
I wouldn't even think about attempting on my bike or something like the 
Hunq.  

I've found that I'm much more comfortable riding a bike with a trail 
measurement in the 70+ mm range.  I've ridden my current bike (trail 61mm) 
and an old hybrid (trail 74mm) on dirt with the same set of tires and 
wheels and the old hybrid felt sure-footed and stable while the current 
bike was twitchy and bounced all over the place.   A lot of that is my 
inexperience but I'm not convinced that even increasing skills would change 
my mind.  

If you haven't checked out a Troll, I highly encourage you to do so.  It 
might be the perfect MTB for you.  



On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:48:15 AM UTC-6, David Stein wrote:
>
> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Deacon Patrick]

I bow to that. Washboard is the only reason I would consider suspension.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:52:57 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> When I asked in this forum a few months ago about a suspension for the 
> Great Divide, people said I should ride my Atlantis. But on the Great 
> Divide, the suspension is not for the rocks in Montana and Colorado. 
> It's for the washboard in New Mexico. My elbows bend, but I don't 
> think I can damp that kind of vibration with my elbows. I don't think 
> you could either, Deacon Patrick. 
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Patrick Moore 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Not even roots and rocks, just bad washboard, but I've ridden such bad 
> > washboard, at speed, on 60 mm tires at sub 20 psi, where, literally, I 
> could 
> > not draw a breath or see anything except a smudge* because I was being 
> > shaken up so bad. This was while standing, knees bent, elbows bent, 
> hands 
> > gripping hoods in as relaxed a grip as I could manage. 
> > 
> > OTOH, I do recall the smoothness of a susp seatpost and a suspension 
> stem. 
> > 
> > * No corrective lenses, either. This was my eyeballs jiggling so bad 
> that I 
> > could not see anything except blurs. 
> > 
> > Great fun, in its own perverse way, but certainly rough! 
> > 
> > I personally don't want suspension, but I can certainly see why some 
> might. 
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > > 
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Your elbows don't bend? Grin. I don't mean to be incredulous here. I 
> >> genuinely want to understand. I realize the elbow bending requires 
> bending 
> >> and strength in the wrist. I just know that too often people think they 
> need 
> >> more cushioning, when in fact they would benefit from less to build 
> strength 
> >> and flexibility. Not always. Dependis on your specifics. 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Anne Paulson]

When I asked in this forum a few months ago about a suspension for the
Great Divide, people said I should ride my Atlantis. But on the Great
Divide, the suspension is not for the rocks in Montana and Colorado.
It's for the washboard in New Mexico. My elbows bend, but I don't
think I can damp that kind of vibration with my elbows. I don't think
you could either, Deacon Patrick.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Not even roots and rocks, just bad washboard, but I've ridden such bad
> washboard, at speed, on 60 mm tires at sub 20 psi, where, literally, I could
> not draw a breath or see anything except a smudge* because I was being
> shaken up so bad. This was while standing, knees bent, elbows bent, hands
> gripping hoods in as relaxed a grip as I could manage.
>
> OTOH, I do recall the smoothness of a susp seatpost and a suspension stem.
>
> * No corrective lenses, either. This was my eyeballs jiggling so bad that I
> could not see anything except blurs.
>
> Great fun, in its own perverse way, but certainly rough!
>
> I personally don't want suspension, but I can certainly see why some might.
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>> Your elbows don't bend? Grin. I don't mean to be incredulous here. I
>> genuinely want to understand. I realize the elbow bending requires bending
>> and strength in the wrist. I just know that too often people think they need
>> more cushioning, when in fact they would benefit from less to build strength
>> and flexibility. Not always. Dependis on your specifics.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Patrick Moore]

Not even roots and rocks, just bad washboard, but I've ridden such bad
washboard, at speed, on 60 mm tires at sub 20 psi, where, literally, I
could not draw a breath or see anything except a smudge* because I was
being shaken up so bad. This was while standing, knees bent, elbows bent,
hands gripping hoods in as relaxed a grip as I could manage.

OTOH, I do recall the smoothness of a susp seatpost and a suspension stem.

* No corrective lenses, either. This was my eyeballs jiggling so bad that I
could not see anything except blurs.

Great fun, in its own perverse way, but certainly *rough!*

I personally don't want suspension, but I can certainly see why some might.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Your elbows don't bend? Grin. I don't mean to be incredulous here. I
> genuinely want to understand. I realize the elbow bending requires bending
> and strength in the wrist. I just know that too often people think they
> need more cushioning, when in fact they would benefit from less to build
> strength and flexibility. Not always. Dependis on your specifics.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Deacon Patrick]

Your elbows don't bend? Grin. I don't mean to be incredulous here. I 
genuinely want to understand. I realize the elbow bending requires bending 
and strength in the wrist. I just know that too often people think they 
need more cushioning, when in fact they would benefit from less to build 
strength and flexibility. Not always. Dependis on your specifics.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:27:36 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> I'll be an outlier.  If I were to buy a mountain bike (i.e. a purpose 
> designed bike for mainly single and double track, then it would have front 
> suspension.  My hands have been damaged over the years and the only way I 
> could ever do "serious" mountain biking is with suspension.
>
> That said, I now have a Surly Ogre with 2.3 inch wide tires that I am 
> hoping will be more forgiving.  Don't plan to ride it on anything rougher 
> than some double track trails, though.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, RJM >wrote:
>
>> My old mountain bike is a 1996 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame with a 
>> front suspension fork and 26" wheels...canti brakes. The bike is in pieces 
>> now because the suspension fork finally gave up. I rode that bike so much, 
>> light, nimble, and just a good time.  I would like to get a new fork for it 
>> but just haven't thought enough about it. I just haven't been doing enough 
>> trail riding to build up a dedicated mountain bike now. I would like to. 
>>
>> My ideal mountain bike would be a Rivendell custom mountain mixte with 
>> 650b wheels and bombadil/hunqapillar tire clearance. A hunqapillar would 
>> work too...and the headbadge is awesome. Something like that will probably 
>> be my third Rivendell. 
>>
>> I don't think suspension is all that for the riding I do or would do if I 
>> got out into the singletrack more. I know plenty of people who tear up the 
>> trails using dual suspended bikes and they do ride fastit just isn't 
>> for me. I'm now just a little too old to be getting into the kind of 
>> crashes I used to get into...too long to heal properly. I'm just a slower 
>> rider who likes technical stuff, but likes to do it on my own time. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:48:15 AM UTC-6, David Stein wrote:
>>
>>> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
>>> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
>>> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
>>> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
>>> take which bike out?
>>>
>>> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
>>> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
>>> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
>>> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or 
>>> racing, but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted 
>>> in a crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq 
>>> on). When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix 
>>> of fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El 
>>> Mariachi 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after 
>>> another couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and 
>>> sold it (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short 
>>> and it wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of 
>>> the frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
>>> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
>>> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
>>> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
>>> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Reorganizing Betty

[true]

Sunday afternoon I was riding down Dallas' busiest  multi use trail which is 
only about 4 miles
& due to very nice weather folks were out in droves, mostly walkers, runners, 
dog walkers, etc , because it is a pain
for cyclists on a busy day to weave in and out of all of the activity but there 
were a few of us.
It's a great place to people watch.

At this point in my longish ride I decided to ride a section of it to get to 
where I was going.
Every so often I see a small dog in a front basket riding along with the owner.

Sunday I saw a cylist coming toward me & thought they had a small dog in their 
bike basket. 
When they got closer I realized it was a chicken.

I thought about turning around to give chase & try to snap a pic but nearing 
the end of my ride 
I was getting tired & also figured there was too much traffic to try to catch 
up.

I hear chickens can make decent pets.

Safe pedaling,
Paul in Dallas

Reorganizing Betty
  "Allingham II, Thomas J"  Feb 18 02:53PM 

  Also, I think it was the 'fiend who set up a Flickr group called "Rivendogs", 
IIRC. Expansion to "Rivenpets" would serve your purpose?

  From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Herbitter
  Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 5:48 PM
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Reorganizing Betty

  You can submit a bike photo to Cyclofiend with a pet also in the picture . 
Since our forum moderater is rumored to have once been somehow involved. ;)

  On 2/17/2014 4:36 PM, Michael wrote:

  I want to start a "What do Rivendell riders have for pets?", thread, where we 
post pics of pur pets, but I am afraid the moderator would not allow it. Would 
be cool to have pet pics on here, though.
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[RBW] WTT: My Moustache or my 44Noodle for 40/41/42 Noodle

[Michael]

Looking for a 40/41/42 noodle.
I have a new 44 Noodle to trade or a Moustache (old) to trade.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Eric Platt]

I'll be an outlier.  If I were to buy a mountain bike (i.e. a purpose
designed bike for mainly single and double track, then it would have front
suspension.  My hands have been damaged over the years and the only way I
could ever do "serious" mountain biking is with suspension.

That said, I now have a Surly Ogre with 2.3 inch wide tires that I am
hoping will be more forgiving.  Don't plan to ride it on anything rougher
than some double track trails, though.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, RJM  wrote:

> My old mountain bike is a 1996 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame with a
> front suspension fork and 26" wheels...canti brakes. The bike is in pieces
> now because the suspension fork finally gave up. I rode that bike so much,
> light, nimble, and just a good time.  I would like to get a new fork for it
> but just haven't thought enough about it. I just haven't been doing enough
> trail riding to build up a dedicated mountain bike now. I would like to.
>
> My ideal mountain bike would be a Rivendell custom mountain mixte with
> 650b wheels and bombadil/hunqapillar tire clearance. A hunqapillar would
> work too...and the headbadge is awesome. Something like that will probably
> be my third Rivendell.
>
> I don't think suspension is all that for the riding I do or would do if I
> got out into the singletrack more. I know plenty of people who tear up the
> trails using dual suspended bikes and they do ride fastit just isn't
> for me. I'm now just a little too old to be getting into the kind of
> crashes I used to get into...too long to heal properly. I'm just a slower
> rider who likes technical stuff, but likes to do it on my own time.
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:48:15 AM UTC-6, David Stein wrote:
>
>> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads
>> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true
>> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how
>> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to
>> take which bike out?
>>
>> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding
>> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it.
>> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension.
>> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing,
>> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a
>> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on).
>> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of
>> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi
>> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another
>> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it
>> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it
>> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the
>> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only
>> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green
>> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional
>> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction
>> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[cyclotourist]

Man, so much good reading on this thread!

Like others have said, I ride all my bikes on the same trails. The big
difference is speed. With my front suspended 29er, I can go faster and feel
less beat up at the end of the day. With my single speed Quickbeam and 35mm
slicks, I'm picking and choosing the line a lot more gingerly and my arms
ache at the end of the downhills.

I think a Hunq w/ fat knobbies would be a fine bike to learn on. Just slow
it down, scoot your but off the back of the seat, loosen up the arms and
legs, and drag that rear brake!

Cheers,
David

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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:14 PM, RJM  wrote:

> My old mountain bike is a 1996 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame with a
> front suspension fork and 26" wheels...canti brakes. The bike is in pieces
> now because the suspension fork finally gave up. I rode that bike so much,
> light, nimble, and just a good time.  I would like to get a new fork for it
> but just haven't thought enough about it. I just haven't been doing enough
> trail riding to build up a dedicated mountain bike now. I would like to.
>
> My ideal mountain bike would be a Rivendell custom mountain mixte with
> 650b wheels and bombadil/hunqapillar tire clearance. A hunqapillar would
> work too...and the headbadge is awesome. Something like that will probably
> be my third Rivendell.
>
> I don't think suspension is all that for the riding I do or would do if I
> got out into the singletrack more. I know plenty of people who tear up the
> trails using dual suspended bikes and they do ride fastit just isn't
> for me. I'm now just a little too old to be getting into the kind of
> crashes I used to get into...too long to heal properly. I'm just a slower
> rider who likes technical stuff, but likes to do it on my own time.
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:48:15 AM UTC-6, David Stein wrote:
>
>> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads
>> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true
>> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how
>> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to
>> take which bike out?
>>
>> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding
>> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it.
>> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension.
>> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing,
>> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a
>> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on).
>> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of
>> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi
>> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another
>> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it
>> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it
>> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the
>> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only
>> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green
>> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional
>> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction
>> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing.
>>
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Mike Schiller]

Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up fast.

I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will be there 
before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the freeway to Rob's.  

~mike


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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Hugh Smitham]

Curtis,

I'd love to but I'm requesting off March 23rd when Smitty visits from PDX
possible Joshua Tree overnight which you should consider...then in April
time off for a Death Valley trip and the big one, late June early July,
Siskiyou's, PDX and July 12th Bay Area Rally.

I'll consider it tho.

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> Just reserved space on train 761 which has an arrival in Ventura of 9:35
> am. Will be making this a two night trip.  You should as well:)
>
> Curtis "who needs a bike overnight" Mckenzie
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
>> Update:
>>
>> Rob has recruited about 5 or 6 locals for the overnight. So by my count
>> that's 11. That's counting Evan, Mike, Curtis and me.
>>
>> Mike and Curtis could you let me know what time you plan on arriving? Rob
>> has a start time or 9:30am or 10 am just want to make sure you fellows can
>> make it for that time?
>>
>> Also here's Rob's address which I believe is pretty close to the station:
>>
>> Rob's address is 135 S Garden Street, Ventura, Ca 93001 Phone
>> 760-214-0307
>>
>> If you need last minute gear, real cheap sports is right up the street.
>>
>> Looking forward to a great ride.
>>
>> Evan are you planning on Amtrak or do we want to drive? It's so close.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Sounds like fun.  If you could let me know what train numbers I would be
>> most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>> that works for me Curtis. It's a nice ride down the coast once we get
>> pass Oxnard.  The dirt road up Sycamore Cyn is very nice too. After that we
>> will have to ride roads though Newberry Park over to the Moorpark Station.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:09:47 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I was thinking of returning Sunday as well.  Looks like the early
>> Metrolink out of Irvine it is.  Let me know if I can tag along for the
>> Saturday over night.
>>
>> Curtis
>> On Saturday, February 15, 2014, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Curtis, I was planning on the earlier Metrolink train from Irvine.  That
>> gives me plenty of time to make the Amtrak train that arrives at 935am.
>>
>> I may stay another day and come back on Sunday.  I was thinking of riding
>> to Sycamore Canyon at Pt Mugu SP and camp at the hiker biker site. Sunday I
>> would ride the dirt rd up the canyon and thru TO to Moorpark and the Amtrak
>> station.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> on Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:09:09 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> I only see a 10:53 arrival in Ventura out of Irvine.  So maybe 10:53 it
>> is.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Saturday, February 15, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>
>> Riders,
>>
>> Rob Perks sent me this ride route so passing it along for more
>> clarification.
>>
>> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1006995
>>
>> Here is the first train arriving into Ventura,
>>
>> http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak
>>
>> 9:35 am & 10:53 am
>>
>> Here are the returns,
>>
>> http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak
>>
>> 2:40 pm & 5:16 pm
>>
>> Since the first day is 37 miles with all the climbing I suggest the
>> earlier the better. Let's get a consensus.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> All you need to do is shift that business stuff one week later or tag on
>> some Winter mental health days and come along.
>>
>>  ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sexy new touring tire? Schwalbe Almotion

[cyclotourist]

I have a pair of Little Big Bens for our tandem, and like them, but would
like something that's a true 40mm width (LBBs measure 36-37mm) but that can
handle inflation up to 85psi. If these can hold that much pressure, they
could be a great tire for the tandem.

Cheers,
David

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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Mike On A Bike wrote:

> Yeah, I'm strongly considering Marathon 40's actually. I had them when I
> first got my Sam Hillborne (the bike these would be for) and did not think
> that my 35's were significantly faster, I just found 35's for much cheaper
> when I had to replace a cut tire. It's hard to beat the Mara Supremes.
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:45:10 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> Seems pretty heavy for the use you describe, though Schwalbe somehow
>> knows how to make heavy tires that roll fairly well. I'd go with the
>> Supreme in a 40 or the Racer in 38.
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hugh,

Just reserved space on train 761 which has an arrival in Ventura of 9:35
am. Will be making this a two night trip.  You should as well:)

Curtis "who needs a bike overnight" Mckenzie

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Update:
>
> Rob has recruited about 5 or 6 locals for the overnight. So by my count
> that's 11. That's counting Evan, Mike, Curtis and me.
>
> Mike and Curtis could you let me know what time you plan on arriving? Rob
> has a start time or 9:30am or 10 am just want to make sure you fellows can
> make it for that time?
>
> Also here's Rob's address which I believe is pretty close to the station:
>
> Rob's address is 135 S Garden Street, Ventura, Ca 93001 Phone 760-214-0307
>
> If you need last minute gear, real cheap sports is right up the street.
>
> Looking forward to a great ride.
>
> Evan are you planning on Amtrak or do we want to drive? It's so close.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Sounds like fun.  If you could let me know what train numbers I would be
> most appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014, Mike Schiller 
> wrote:
>
> that works for me Curtis. It's a nice ride down the coast once we get pass
> Oxnard.  The dirt road up Sycamore Cyn is very nice too. After that we will
> have to ride roads though Newberry Park over to the Moorpark Station.
>
> ~mike
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:09:47 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I was thinking of returning Sunday as well.  Looks like the early
> Metrolink out of Irvine it is.  Let me know if I can tag along for the
> Saturday over night.
>
> Curtis
> On Saturday, February 15, 2014, Mike Schiller 
> wrote:
>
> Curtis, I was planning on the earlier Metrolink train from Irvine.  That
> gives me plenty of time to make the Amtrak train that arrives at 935am.
>
> I may stay another day and come back on Sunday.  I was thinking of riding
> to Sycamore Canyon at Pt Mugu SP and camp at the hiker biker site. Sunday I
> would ride the dirt rd up the canyon and thru TO to Moorpark and the Amtrak
> station.
>
> ~mike
>
> on Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:09:09 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
>
> Hugh,
>
> I only see a 10:53 arrival in Ventura out of Irvine.  So maybe 10:53 it
> is.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Saturday, February 15, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
> Riders,
>
> Rob Perks sent me this ride route so passing it along for more
> clarification.
>
> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1006995
>
> Here is the first train arriving into Ventura,
>
> http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak
>
> 9:35 am & 10:53 am
>
> Here are the returns,
>
> http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak
>
> 2:40 pm & 5:16 pm
>
> Since the first day is 37 miles with all the climbing I suggest the
> earlier the better. Let's get a consensus.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> All you need to do is shift that business stuff one week later or tag on
> some Winter mental health days and come along.
>
>  ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
>  
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Hugh Smitham]

Update:

Rob has recruited about 5 or 6 locals for the overnight. So by my count
that's 11. That's counting Evan, Mike, Curtis and me.

Mike and Curtis could you let me know what time you plan on arriving? Rob
has a start time or 9:30am or 10 am just want to make sure you fellows can
make it for that time?

Also here's Rob's address which I believe is pretty close to the station:

Rob's address is 135 S Garden Street, Ventura, Ca 93001 Phone 760-214-0307

If you need last minute gear, real cheap sports is right up the street.

Looking forward to a great ride.

Evan are you planning on Amtrak or do we want to drive? It's so close.

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

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On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Sounds like fun.  If you could let me know what train numbers I would be
> most appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014, Mike Schiller 
> wrote:
>
>> that works for me Curtis. It's a nice ride down the coast once we get
>> pass Oxnard.  The dirt road up Sycamore Cyn is very nice too. After that we
>> will have to ride roads though Newberry Park over to the Moorpark Station.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:09:47 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I was thinking of returning Sunday as well.  Looks like the early
>>> Metrolink out of Irvine it is.  Let me know if I can tag along for the
>>> Saturday over night.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>> On Saturday, February 15, 2014, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Curtis, I was planning on the earlier Metrolink train from Irvine.  That
>>> gives me plenty of time to make the Amtrak train that arrives at 935am.
>>>
>>> I may stay another day and come back on Sunday.  I was thinking of
>>> riding to Sycamore Canyon at Pt Mugu SP and camp at the hiker biker site.
>>> Sunday I would ride the dirt rd up the canyon and thru TO to Moorpark and
>>> the Amtrak station.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
>>> on Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:09:09 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugh,
>>>
>>> I only see a 10:53 arrival in Ventura out of Irvine.  So maybe 10:53 it
>>> is.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 15, 2014, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>>
>>> Riders,
>>>
>>> Rob Perks sent me this ride route so passing it along for more
>>> clarification.
>>>
>>> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1006995
>>>
>>> Here is the first train arriving into Ventura,
>>>
>>> http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak
>>>
>>> 9:35 am & 10:53 am
>>>
>>> Here are the returns,
>>>
>>> http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak
>>>
>>> 2:40 pm & 5:16 pm
>>>
>>> Since the first day is 37 miles with all the climbing I suggest the
>>> earlier the better. Let's get a consensus.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> All you need to do is shift that business stuff one week later or tag on
>>> some Winter mental health days and come along.
>>>
>>>  ~Hugh
>>>
>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm very jealous of this ride, the company, the bikes and the route!  A
>>> trifecta of bike awesomeness!!
>>>
>>> Can't wait to see pictures.
>>>
>>> Tony
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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[RJM]

My old mountain bike is a 1996 Specialized Stumpjumper M2 frame with a 
front suspension fork and 26" wheels...canti brakes. The bike is in pieces 
now because the suspension fork finally gave up. I rode that bike so much, 
light, nimble, and just a good time.  I would like to get a new fork for it 
but just haven't thought enough about it. I just haven't been doing enough 
trail riding to build up a dedicated mountain bike now. I would like to. 

My ideal mountain bike would be a Rivendell custom mountain mixte with 650b 
wheels and bombadil/hunqapillar tire clearance. A hunqapillar would work 
too...and the headbadge is awesome. Something like that will probably be my 
third Rivendell. 

I don't think suspension is all that for the riding I do or would do if I 
got out into the singletrack more. I know plenty of people who tear up the 
trails using dual suspended bikes and they do ride fastit just isn't 
for me. I'm now just a little too old to be getting into the kind of 
crashes I used to get into...too long to heal properly. I'm just a slower 
rider who likes technical stuff, but likes to do it on my own time. 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:48:15 AM UTC-6, David Stein wrote:

> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>

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Re: [RBW] How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Patrick Moore]

Welcome and please post photos of the Hunq when you build it up. The Hunq
is the one Rivendell that I'd like to add to my stable. (Well, also a
Roadeo and a Legolas and p'r'aps a Bleriot, but certainly the Hunq.)

As it is, I have a very nice original (pre-suspension corrected) Fargo that
is very, very nice for much of my off road riding. This is not "mountain
biking", rather dirt road exploring. I've taken the Fargo on technical
singletrack and it is a true dog there, though much of the canine-in-ity is
probably due to the gearing, light skinny (55 mm) tires, and drop bars.

But I'd really like to get a true singletrack machine, which at the moment
I see as a ss or perhaps 1xN 26-er with some sort of "upright" bar and
built for nimbleness and light weight.

>From my experience with the Fargo and the earlier Monocog 29er ss, both
admittedly porky at 28-30 lb and both built with drops, the qualities and
build that make a bike so nice on rough or sandy, relatively flat terrain
are those which make it doggy on technical stuff.


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> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it.
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension.
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing,
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on).
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing.
>
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[RBW] About to do my first Bosco Bullmoose front end

[Bill Lindsay]

I acquired a 1986 Schwinn Paramountain (Ned Overend signature edition) on 
the second-hand market.  I'm setting it up with a Bosco Bullmoose.  It's 
got front and rear suntour rollercam brakes.  

The Bosco Bullmoose bars arrived this morning.  I felt a little bad because 
there is really no good way to origami a small box for Bosco Bullmooses. 
 They are huge.  I bought a few more small things to help fill up the 
space, but it was still mostly crumpled paper in there.  

I might run a set of 
griprings: http://www.spurcycle.com/builder/demo_builder.html

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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there David - 

Thanks for contributing to the group.  Welcome!

The smilingly flippant answer is "all of them!"   ;^)
It's also imprecise, as there are a couple of the bikes I own which don't 
really encounter trails (though each have  been on dirt) and my "mountain 
bike" - which does not match what most people call mountain bikes these 
days - actually has not been saddled up and ridden in years.  

Particularly here in the SF Bay Area, we are lucky to have a network of 
roads, trails, singletrack and fire roads which make an amazingly diverse 
way to move around.  Most rides I'm on combine pavement and dirt, and it 
makes me chuckle when folks double-take as I roll along trials on smooth, 
33 1/3 mm tires, or when I'm standing curbside and someone looks at my 
trail-dust-encrusted Hilsen and starts talking about how they want to get a 
road bike.   It just really ceased to be a valid definition for me a long 
time ago.  

Like BikeTinker, I learned to ride trails when Hite-Rites were sought after 
accessories.  And yes, I engaged in some utterly impressive yard sale 
crashes. You flop and you learn.  You follow folks who know what they are 
doing and learn.  (Of course, you also follow them and get way in over your 
head, but that's a different story or few...)

Without seeing you, knowing how you crashed, or knowing where you are 
riding, I'd bet you were the victim of using too much brake, being too 
rigid on the bike, having too much weight forward and expecting the trail 
surface to behave like pavement. On trails, direction is important, 
momentum is important, but adhesion and connection to the bike are 
variables that differ vastly from road riding. I'll try not to divert too 
far down this thought vector, but while it's a good idea to keep your feet 
in contact with your pedals and your hands in contact with the bars, the 
rest of your body position is highly dependent upon your trail 
conditions.   

I think front suspension to some degree and full suspension to far greater 
degree contribute to riding too tightly - it leads to the rider being too 
rigid.  As I watch riders on the trails, it's obvious that if the rear 
wheel breaks away they will have little ability to correct from that.  (And 
I'm not _against_ suspension - it just is not my aesthetic.   There are 
situations where the current suspension designs combine with skill sets way 
above mine to create some mind numbing possibilities. I just happen to 
prefer "nap-of-the-earth" riding.)

Ok, where was I...? 

Right.  Loosen up.  Keep your eyes on the horizon.  Maintain a little more 
momentum than you might be initially comfortable with.  When tires slide - 
relax.  If they go out to the side, add a little body english.  If they 
slip on a climb, shift your butt back to get enough weight on them.   You 
will not carve lines the way tires do on clean pavement.  Learn to unweight 
the front (as Philip said) by sliding back.   Rinse and repeat. 

The main three:
Both the Quickbeam and Hilsen run noodle bars and 33 ish tires (generally 
JB's so they are smooth).  
I also have a 1990 MB1 which I run as a singlespeed.  2.2 ish round profile 
tires.  Now worn pretty smooth too. 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2006/ssg017-cyclofiend0206.html
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
http://cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg001r2-cyclofiendmb10507.html

I also have a '02 Stumpjumper, which was a replacement frame for one I 
cracked (one of the '96 MM models).  I just haven't felt the need to keep 
this tuned and running, and it's sat for a long time. 

Hope some of that was helpful - hope to see you out on the trails!

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Nitto R-14 vs Velo Orange Constructeur

[Bill Lindsay]

I put constructeur front and rear racks on my Windsor.  I think they are 
great, but I did attach the rear to the metal fenders.  It was a very time 
consuming install, but I love the result.  It's never going to come off, 
now that it's on.  The R14 is wildly more adjustable and is a far more 
versatile product.  I have the R-14 on my Bombadil, but have run that rack 
on 3 different bikes.  

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:23:07 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I looked at both of these racks to satisfy my desire for a lightweight 
> rear rack to carry no more than 5-7 lbs.  Basically, to support what's in 
> my Carradice Barley.  Contents to support brevets of 400K and longer where 
> a change of clothes for cooler evening riding may be required.  Perhaps a 
> light jacket, tights, and all the other normal stuff I carry like 4x tubes, 
> spare tire, multitool, patch kit, tire lever, tire boots and whatever food 
> I want to take - 5ish clif bars or so.
>
> I need to order the saddle loops from VO because I use a Terry Liberator 
> saddle without loops.  I am going to pay for 2nd day shipping because I 
> want to have the setup for this weekend's 400K I am doing.  I was planning 
> on ordering the R-14 but when I saw the Constructor it appealed to me.  It 
> also costs less than the R-14 and I would not have to pay 2nd day shipping 
> for two vendors on opposite coasts.  
>
> On the downside, the VO rack struts to connect to the mounting bosses that 
> the Rivendell has near the brakes are not pretty.  The Nitto struts are 
> very pretty.  Actually the entire Nitto rack is very pretty, and more 
> visually appealing than the VO.
>
> Any opinions out there?  
>
> -- 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Atlantis

[Dan McNamara]

I work pretty close the seller's location and could help if needed.

Just let me know.

Dan




On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mike C518  wrote:

> Thanks for the link! That's exactly what I am looking for! I've sent an
> email, waiting to hear back and keeping my fingered crossed on this one.
>
> I've been a huge fan and admire of rivendell for the longest time, and
> this summer actually was able to visit walnut creek and the two riv
> locations. I guess after that experience and being able to ride some of the
> bikes really made me relize how much I want (need?) one. I remember
> thinking to myself while testing the hunquapillar that I never wanted to
> get off the thing or ride another bike!
>
> But my heart is set on an Atlantis. At this point if the price is fair I
> am open to buying either as a f/f/hs or complete. And always willing to do
> trading as we'll.
>
> Thanks for keeping you eyes peeled for me
>
> Still looking
>
> -mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/18/2014 05:02 PM, Christopher Chen wrote:

I'm not old enough to be a grouch.



http://www.tubechop.com/watch/2048789 :-)



On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
mailto:thill@gmail.com>> wrote:


I agree and apologize about using the R-word. I don't have
anything against tubing of any diameter. I guess I would caution
people not to think it's more important than it is, but if you can
find a frame that meets all your other targets and also uses
smaller size tubing, then go for it, if you want to. Personally, I
value sturdy ruggedness more than I value a 'lively' ride. But to
each his own.



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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

And looking at the Flickr images the paint appears to be in excellent
shape. Now nuff said.

-Hugh
On Feb 18, 2014 1:54 PM, "Mike C518"  wrote:

> Thanks for the link! That's exactly what I am looking for! I've sent an
> email, waiting to hear back and keeping my fingered crossed on this one.
>
> I've been a huge fan and admire of rivendell for the longest time, and
> this summer actually was able to visit walnut creek and the two riv
> locations. I guess after that experience and being able to ride some of the
> bikes really made me relize how much I want (need?) one. I remember
> thinking to myself while testing the hunquapillar that I never wanted to
> get off the thing or ride another bike!
>
> But my heart is set on an Atlantis. At this point if the price is fair I
> am open to buying either as a f/f/hs or complete. And always willing to do
> trading as we'll.
>
> Thanks for keeping you eyes peeled for me
>
> Still looking
>
> -mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Shaun Meehan]

I'm on board with doing away with the "retrogrouch" label. The only
drawback is that it would eliminate an easy way of categorizing myself
when trying to relate my preferences to someone who's enthusiastic about a
lot of the "whizbang" advancements that I have no interest in.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  I think it's long past time to retire "retrogrouch."  All it ever was
> was a term of derision directed at those who were too independent-minded to
> fall into a swoon at the mention of any gimcrack marketed as "something
> new" (in a field where little, if anything hasn't already been tried before
> at least once, if not many times over, most likely more than a lifetime
> ago).
>
> On 02/18/2014 03:44 PM, Shaun Meehan wrote:
>
> I get it. Everything old is new again, to the point where the
> "retrogrouch" is the guy/girl that's refusing to try the new old stuff
> because the old stuff is too new-fangled for him or her. Plus ça change
> and so forth...
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> This response is also tongue-in-cheek.  tongue in cheek, tongue in cheek.
>>
>>  Since the new fad is for super flexy bikes made from undersized skinny
>> tubes, who is the retrogrouch in this picture?  The young kid who is trying
>> this new flexible frame idea, having ridden stiff road bikes for the last
>> 10 years?  Is that kid the retrogrouch?  Or is the retrogrouch the person
>> who refuses to be open minded about the new fad for more flexible bikes,
>> because he (or she) is programmed with the sales pitch "you don't want a
>> bike that rides like a wet noodle" that they first heard 30 years ago?
>>
>> I don't know the answer to that tongue in cheek question.  I own two
>> bikes with 'undersized' 28.6mm diameter downtubes.  They were both made
>> recently.  I bought them because I wanted to try out this new flexy thing.
>>  I like them both.  I also like my other bikes that have 31.8mm diameter
>> downtubes.  Am I a retrogrouch because flexiness is the exclusive domain of
>> old bikes, even if they were manufactured recently?  Or, since I haven't
>> made up my mind, am I not a retrogrouch?  Or, since I call a 31.8mm
>> downtube "OS", am I a retrogrouch, derisively insulting my own bikes?
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Just a note. The CL ad states he doesn't want to part out. The build is
excellent and the price IMO quite reasonable considering what it would cost
to build it up. If money is tight then maybe offer to make two payments.
Many times people are willing to work with you in instances. The fact he's
throwing in the racks and bags make this a deal. Nuff said.

-Hugh
On Feb 18, 2014 1:54 PM, "Mike C518"  wrote:

> Thanks for the link! That's exactly what I am looking for! I've sent an
> email, waiting to hear back and keeping my fingered crossed on this one.
>
> I've been a huge fan and admire of rivendell for the longest time, and
> this summer actually was able to visit walnut creek and the two riv
> locations. I guess after that experience and being able to ride some of the
> bikes really made me relize how much I want (need?) one. I remember
> thinking to myself while testing the hunquapillar that I never wanted to
> get off the thing or ride another bike!
>
> But my heart is set on an Atlantis. At this point if the price is fair I
> am open to buying either as a f/f/hs or complete. And always willing to do
> trading as we'll.
>
> Thanks for keeping you eyes peeled for me
>
> Still looking
>
> -mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Deacon Patrick]

Our 1 year old is a grouch right now. Grouchiness is ageless. 
Huph! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:02:24 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I'm not old enough to be a grouch.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I agree and apologize about using the R-word. I don't have anything 
>> against tubing of any diameter. I guess I would caution people not to think 
>> it's more important than it is, but if you can find a frame that meets all 
>> your other targets and also uses smaller size tubing, then go for it, if 
>> you want to. Personally, I value sturdy ruggedness more than I value a 
>> 'lively' ride. But to each his own.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Christopher Chen]

I'm not old enough to be a grouch.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree and apologize about using the R-word. I don't have anything
> against tubing of any diameter. I guess I would caution people not to think
> it's more important than it is, but if you can find a frame that meets all
> your other targets and also uses smaller size tubing, then go for it, if
> you want to. Personally, I value sturdy ruggedness more than I value a
> 'lively' ride. But to each his own.
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: inexpensive battery powered LED bicycle front lamp

[Patrick Moore]

Whoops: said lamp should have an integrated clamp that easily goes on and
off standard diameter bars (old standard).


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The cheap German one VO sold me 6-7 years ago went futz and I am reduced
> to strapping a flashlight to my bar with a 2-fish-type block. Would prefer
> something like a 1/2 or 1 watt LED lamp powered by 3 AAAs with the LED
> technology no older than 5 years.
>
> I know I can buy one at the store, but I hope someone will have one cheap
> or for trade. It need not be extremely bright; it will be used as a backup
> at long stoplights to my dyno systems.
>
> Have a couple of LED tail lights to trade if anyone is interested, along
> with a almost virgin pair of Decksters with cleats and other things -- tell
> me what you need.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick "was almost a virgin once myself" Moore
>
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[RBW] WTB/WTT: inexpensive battery powered LED bicycle front lamp

[Patrick Moore]

The cheap German one VO sold me 6-7 years ago went futz and I am reduced to
strapping a flashlight to my bar with a 2-fish-type block. Would prefer
something like a 1/2 or 1 watt LED lamp powered by 3 AAAs with the LED
technology no older than 5 years.

I know I can buy one at the store, but I hope someone will have one cheap
or for trade. It need not be extremely bright; it will be used as a backup
at long stoplights to my dyno systems.

Have a couple of LED tail lights to trade if anyone is interested, along
with a almost virgin pair of Decksters with cleats and other things -- tell
me what you need.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I agree and apologize about using the R-word. I don't have anything against 
tubing of any diameter. I guess I would caution people not to think it's more 
important than it is, but if you can find a frame that meets all your other 
targets and also uses smaller size tubing, then go for it, if you want to. 
Personally, I value sturdy ruggedness more than I value a 'lively' ride. But to 
each his own.

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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Atlantis

[Mike C518]

Thanks for the link! That's exactly what I am looking for! I've sent an email, 
waiting to hear back and keeping my fingered crossed on this one.

I've been a huge fan and admire of rivendell for the longest time, and this 
summer actually was able to visit walnut creek and the two riv locations. I 
guess after that experience and being able to ride some of the bikes really 
made me relize how much I want (need?) one. I remember thinking to myself while 
testing the hunquapillar that I never wanted to get off the thing or ride 
another bike!

But my heart is set on an Atlantis. At this point if the price is fair I am 
open to buying either as a f/f/hs or complete. And always willing to do trading 
as we'll. 

Thanks for keeping you eyes peeled for me

Still looking

-mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  I think it's long past time to retire "retrogrouch."  All it ever was
> was a term of derision directed at those who were too independent-minded to
> fall into a swoon at the mention of any gimcrack marketed as "something
> new"
>

Such as skinny tubes, low trail, 650B, front loads, rando bikes for every
day short distance pavement riding, etc etc etc.

I am mostly kidding -- I can't notice any difference in ride feel in "old
standard" diameter, light gauge 531 and Rivendell's "new standard" tubing
(with frames noticeably heavier when I heft frame and fork alone) and I
have no particular interest in low trail, 650B, or front loads, though I
truly believe that these things really work better for some preferences.
(Which seems to parse out: "Some people really prefer these things".)

Patrick "prefer the term 'grouch' myself" Moore, grumbling away in 65*,
light-breezes only, ABQ, NM.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto stem shifter thing/Paul singlemaker thing

[Patrick Shea]

Hi Jay:

I was thinking I'd cover $5 to ship to the Conti US. Would you cover above
the five bucks? If so, end me your address and I will mail them out ASAP.
You can send me a check or do PayPal after I know the shipping cost.

Cheers,
Patrick


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> I would be happy to add a few bucks to cover the extra cost of sending the
> Melvin to Israel.
>
> If that's a hassle for you, an alternative would be to send it to my
> in-laws in New Hampshire and I'll get it on my next visit.
>
> Obviously I would prefer the first option, but either way works for me.
>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto R-14 vs Velo Orange Constructeur

[Ron Mc]

My buddy who went with VO Constructeur front and rear hung them u and is 
replacing with Nitto because he decided he would rather attach a rack to 
his mounting lugs

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:02:55 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> The VO Constructeur rear rack doesn't connect to mounting bosses.  It's 
> designed to mount directly to metal fenders, or to the brake bridge (with 
> an accessory mount).  The brake bridge mounting doesn't look too bad to my 
> eye.  But not as nice or sturdy as the R-14.  BTW, I have an unused R-14 
> you could buy; I'm going with a Campee rear rack.
>
>
> I installed a VO Constructeur front rack on my girlfriend's Soma San 
> Marcos.  
> My ratings:
> Looks: 5/5
> Ease of install: 2/5
> Function: 4/5
>
> The rack has that classic French style.  Polished stainless steel looks 
> great and is durable.
> Installation was a pain.  It doesn't fit the fork very well; it seems too 
> long and the sidepull brakes interfere with the daruma mounting, forcing 
> the platform too far forward.  The daruma tang is too stout to bend by 
> hand.  That's a good thing for durability, but makes it hard to fit up.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Jim Bronson 
> > wrote:
>
>> I looked at both of these racks to satisfy my desire for a lightweight 
>> rear rack to carry no more than 5-7 lbs.  Basically, to support what's in 
>> my Carradice Barley.  Contents to support brevets of 400K and longer where 
>> a change of clothes for cooler evening riding may be required.  Perhaps a 
>> light jacket, tights, and all the other normal stuff I carry like 4x tubes, 
>> spare tire, multitool, patch kit, tire lever, tire boots and whatever food 
>> I want to take - 5ish clif bars or so.
>>
>> I need to order the saddle loops from VO because I use a Terry Liberator 
>> saddle without loops.  I am going to pay for 2nd day shipping because I 
>> want to have the setup for this weekend's 400K I am doing.  I was planning 
>> on ordering the R-14 but when I saw the Constructor it appealed to me.  It 
>> also costs less than the R-14 and I would not have to pay 2nd day shipping 
>> for two vendors on opposite coasts.  
>>
>> On the downside, the VO rack struts to connect to the mounting bosses 
>> that the Rivendell has near the brakes are not pretty.  The Nitto struts 
>> are very pretty.  Actually the entire Nitto rack is very pretty, and more 
>> visually appealing than the VO.
>>
>> Any opinions out there?  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Steve Palincsar]

I think it's long past time to retire "retrogrouch."  All it ever was 
was a term of derision directed at those who were too independent-minded 
to fall into a swoon at the mention of any gimcrack marketed as 
"something new" (in a field where little, if anything hasn't already 
been tried before at least once, if not many times over, most likely 
more than a lifetime ago).


On 02/18/2014 03:44 PM, Shaun Meehan wrote:
I get it. Everything old is new again, to the point where the 
"retrogrouch" is the guy/girl that's refusing to try the new old stuff 
because the old stuff is too new-fangled for him or her. Plus ça 
change and so forth...



On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote:


This response is also tongue-in-cheek.  tongue in cheek, tongue in
cheek.

Since the new fad is for super flexy bikes made from undersized
skinny tubes, who is the retrogrouch in this picture?  The young
kid who is trying this new flexible frame idea, having ridden
stiff road bikes for the last 10 years?  Is that kid the
retrogrouch?  Or is the retrogrouch the person who refuses to be
open minded about the new fad for more flexible bikes, because he
(or she) is programmed with the sales pitch "you don't want a bike
that rides like a wet noodle" that they first heard 30 years ago?

I don't know the answer to that tongue in cheek question.  I own
two bikes with 'undersized' 28.6mm diameter downtubes.  They were
both made recently.  I bought them because I wanted to try out
this new flexy thing.  I like them both.  I also like my other
bikes that have 31.8mm diameter downtubes.  Am I a retrogrouch
because flexiness is the exclusive domain of old bikes, even if
they were manufactured recently?  Or, since I haven't made up my
mind, am I not a retrogrouch?  Or, since I call a 31.8mm downtube
"OS", am I a retrogrouch, derisively insulting my own bikes?



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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Jim M.]

The Hunq makes a great mountain bike, as well as being an all-rounder. I've 
ridden a loaner Hunq up and down Mt Diablo and have no hesitation taking it 
through rough stuff. As for suspension, I've owned bikes with suspension, 
and it mainly allows you to go faster over rough stuff without having to 
choose a smoother path. Riding without suspension will teach you better 
bike handling that will still benefit you if you do go squishy some day. I 
started mountain biking long before the term was coined, on a Stingray and 
a Schwinn Newsboy. When I got a "real" mountain bike, it lacked suspension 
(as they all did back then), and it didn't hold me or anyone back from 
riding any place that is ridden today.

My current mountain bikes are all 3 of my Rivs (Bomba, QB, and Legolas), 
and a Niner Air Nine (rigid). They don't see equal amounts of dirt time, 
but they've all been up and down Diablo on the same trails.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/18/2014 03:57 PM, eflayer wrote:
I hope it rides nearly as good as it looks. I think the aesthetics are 
a bit mind blowing in the positive direction. Hope not lipstick on the 
proverbial pig.


I look forward to your report on it, once you have it built up.

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[RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[eflayer]

I hope it rides nearly as good as it looks. I think the aesthetics are a 
bit mind blowing in the positive direction. Hope not lipstick on the 
proverbial pig.
On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:40:06 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> http://newalbioncycles.com/
>  
> Makes me wonder if, or the degree to which, Grant Peterson may be 
> associated with these bikes. Not sure how they are differentiated from 
> Soma, but some nice stuff coming.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[Peter Morgano]

I mean that is a screaming deal for what it is, report back as I am sure
there are many people who want an inexpensive option, even if they do have
a Rivendell. Just looking at the construction quality and the price I don't
think this eats into the Rivendell market as much as the VO market, but
just my way of seeing things.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Good luck with your Privateer!  Plenty of us care about weight.  Some care
> a little, some care a lot.  Some only care sometimes.
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:01:19 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>>
>> Ordered Privateer on Friday, arrived today from bikemania.biz. Size
>> 60cm, frame weighs 5lb, 8oz. Steel cross fork, 350mm steerer, weighs 2lb,
>> 8oz. I know noone cares about weight. Waiting for parts to arrive.
>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:40:06 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>>>
>>> http://newalbioncycles.com/
>>>
>>> Makes me wonder if, or the degree to which, Grant Peterson may be
>>> associated with these bikes. Not sure how they are differentiated from
>>> Soma, but some nice stuff coming.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[Bill Lindsay]

Good luck with your Privateer!  Plenty of us care about weight.  Some care 
a little, some care a lot.  Some only care sometimes.  

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:01:19 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> Ordered Privateer on Friday, arrived today from bikemania.biz. Size 60cm, 
> frame weighs 5lb, 8oz. Steel cross fork, 350mm steerer, weighs 2lb, 8oz. I 
> know noone cares about weight. Waiting for parts to arrive.
> On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:40:06 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>>
>> http://newalbioncycles.com/
>>  
>> Makes me wonder if, or the degree to which, Grant Peterson may be 
>> associated with these bikes. Not sure how they are differentiated from 
>> Soma, but some nice stuff coming.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Shaun Meehan]

I get it. Everything old is new again, to the point where the
"retrogrouch" is the guy/girl that's refusing to try the new old stuff
because the old stuff is too new-fangled for him or her. Plus ça change and
so forth...


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> This response is also tongue-in-cheek.  tongue in cheek, tongue in cheek.
>
> Since the new fad is for super flexy bikes made from undersized skinny
> tubes, who is the retrogrouch in this picture?  The young kid who is trying
> this new flexible frame idea, having ridden stiff road bikes for the last
> 10 years?  Is that kid the retrogrouch?  Or is the retrogrouch the person
> who refuses to be open minded about the new fad for more flexible bikes,
> because he (or she) is programmed with the sales pitch "you don't want a
> bike that rides like a wet noodle" that they first heard 30 years ago?
>
> I don't know the answer to that tongue in cheek question.  I own two bikes
> with 'undersized' 28.6mm diameter downtubes.  They were both made recently.
>  I bought them because I wanted to try out this new flexy thing.  I like
> them both.  I also like my other bikes that have 31.8mm diameter downtubes.
>  Am I a retrogrouch because flexiness is the exclusive domain of old bikes,
> even if they were manufactured recently?  Or, since I haven't made up my
> mind, am I not a retrogrouch?  Or, since I call a 31.8mm downtube "OS", am
> I a retrogrouch, derisively insulting my own bikes?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Bill Lindsay]

This response is also tongue-in-cheek.  tongue in cheek, tongue in cheek.

Since the new fad is for super flexy bikes made from undersized skinny 
tubes, who is the retrogrouch in this picture?  The young kid who is trying 
this new flexible frame idea, having ridden stiff road bikes for the last 
10 years?  Is that kid the retrogrouch?  Or is the retrogrouch the person 
who refuses to be open minded about the new fad for more flexible bikes, 
because he (or she) is programmed with the sales pitch "you don't want a 
bike that rides like a wet noodle" that they first heard 30 years ago?  

I don't know the answer to that tongue in cheek question.  I own two bikes 
with 'undersized' 28.6mm diameter downtubes.  They were both made recently. 
 I bought them because I wanted to try out this new flexy thing.  I like 
them both.  I also like my other bikes that have 31.8mm diameter downtubes. 
 Am I a retrogrouch because flexiness is the exclusive domain of old bikes, 
even if they were manufactured recently?  Or, since I haven't made up my 
mind, am I not a retrogrouch?  Or, since I call a 31.8mm downtube "OS", am 
I a retrogrouch, derisively insulting my own bikes?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Shaun Meehan]

"Oversized" tubing isn't oversized at all to anyone who hasn't been around
bikes for 25-or-so years. To those newer to cycling "oversized tubing" and
"clipless pedals" are equally bizarre terms. Both refer to what they've
always seen as the norm.

Anyway, my comment about referring to "traditional" size tuding as
"undersized" was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 02/18/2014 01:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
>> I meant derision in the sense that retro-grouches always resist new
>> things, even when the "new" things have been common and widely accepted for
>> a decade or two or three. The word "oversize" in this context is almost
>> never used by somebody who doesn't have a bias toward older bikes.
>>
>>
> You mean, in addition to framebuilders who work with all diameters of
> steel tubing?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Coconutbill]

>
> David,
>

I recently acquired a '93 MB-1, which I'm building up slowly as I'm new to 
setting up cantilevers, because this is my first mountain bike! I've got 
all the parts now, and it's coming together pretty quickly. I look forward 
to seeing your new bike.

-Evan


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[RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[eflayer]

Ordered Privateer on Friday, arrived today from bikemania.biz. Size 60cm, 
frame weighs 5lb, 8oz. Steel cross fork, 350mm steerer, weighs 2lb, 8oz. I 
know noone cares about weight. Waiting for parts to arrive.
On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:40:06 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> http://newalbioncycles.com/
>  
> Makes me wonder if, or the degree to which, Grant Peterson may be 
> associated with these bikes. Not sure how they are differentiated from 
> Soma, but some nice stuff coming.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil Track Low-Flange Polished Silver / Mavic Open Pro Silver 32H w/ IRD CNC 16T Freewheel

[Curtis Schmitt]

Still available.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Curtis Schmitt wrote:

> Wheelset only has about 250 miles on it. Looking for $500 + s/h. Want to
> buy a Schmidt dynohub wheelset, so these beauties gots to go.
>
> http://instagram.com/p/dSKxBzvgo5/
>
> Curtis
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1400 shipped - bump and price drop

[Leslie]

Need to figure out his PBH.   Then from there, look at the frame-size. 

When you say flat bar, do you mean like a "mountain-bike" bar?If he 
doesn't want to go drops, I'd suggest an Albatross;  might be a put off for 
some folks, but it's a versatile bar (I went moustache instead, but, 
anyway...)   Going with a true 'flat bar' is gonna throw off my thoughts on 
stem-lengths for him  

FWIW



On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:04:16 AM UTC-5, debra banks wrote:
>
> Thanks Leslie for this. 
>
> My guy is a long-legged 6 footer. He has been riding an old Marin mtn bike 
> with flat handlebar. Nothing special about it, his standover height looks 
> about normal (I know, what is normal these days?, but when I ride with him, 
> the bike seems well proportioned - frame to crotch, reach of hands to bar). 
> He will most likely put a flat bar of some sort on this, so will not the 
> reach for the hoods that we factor in. So what do you think?
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:49:13 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:38:36 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>>>
>>> Sizing. I think the 58 would be too small. Especially with the 8cm stem. 
>>> Here is the link to the original brochure with sizing info: 
>>>
>>> http://cyclofiend.3795Goh311b3nt/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/17.html 
>>>
>>> For a 6' rider a 62 would be a much better fit. I am 5'9" and the 58 
>>> fits fine. Although I find the 8cm stem a little too short. 
>>>
>>> There is a really clean 62 Ram on CL from Alameda. That might be a 
>>> better bet. He has it on eBay as well. If you need help checking that out 
>>> let me know. I work in Berkeley so not too far from Alameda. 
>>>
>>> Let me know if you want more info. 
>>>
>>
>> To throw in my two cents' worth here:I'm 6', but a 62 would feel a 
>> bit large;  I have a 60 Ram, and a 59 Rom, and actually like the Rom 
>> better, if on the same wheels.  But I know people my height that think my 
>> 60 is too tall even, and others that would rather go bigger...  It's not 
>> just height, but PBH that factors in there.  The PBH will get you on the 
>> right frame to start with, then the height can nudge you in a particular 
>> direction for a stem-length or handlebar style.   Stems and bars can be 
>> changed tho'... get the frame right, and the rest can be adjusted.
>>
>> So with that said, is your guy a long-legged 6' guy, or is he 
>> short-legged and long-torsoed?
>>
>> Just something to mull over
>>  
>>
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[RBW] WTT. Nitto TechnomiDeluxe 12cmx25.4 for 100 or 80 Nitto

[Michael Williams]

Hey Group,  like the title says; I have a Technomic Del. in 12cm x 25.4 
clamp that is perfect for Boscos but Im trying some different bars,  so 
looking for something shortereither a 10cm or 8cm  Tallux or Tech. 
Deluxe.  Prefer 25.4   but 26.0 is fine too!Thank you!!!-MIke

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/18/2014 01:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

I meant derision in the sense that retro-grouches always resist new things, even when the 
"new" things have been common and widely accepted for a decade or two or three. The word 
"oversize" in this context is almost never used by somebody who doesn't have a bias 
toward older bikes.



You mean, in addition to framebuilders who work with all diameters of 
steel tubing?




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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Philip Williamson]

I have two mountain bikes - a 1999 Bontrager Privateer with front 
suspension and drop bars, and a rigid Singular Gryphon with drops. I have 
taken the Singular out on steep fireroads with Marathon Supremes, but I 
have knobbies on order. It's about to give up its gears to another bike, 
and become a singlespeed. 
I use the Bontrager offroad, mostly in Annadel Park (Santa Rosa, CA). 
Steep, rocky fireroads, smooth fireroads, singletrack up and down. I 
started riding bikes with a rigid mountain bike, and they're as "real" as 
any other kind of bike, especially if you're exploring, and maximum speed 
isn't a goal. Big tires (~2") do a lot of the work, and bent legs and arms 
do the rest. After mountainbiking with a friend who has a wide saddle and a 
dropper post, I think a narrow saddle does the same job (get your butt out 
over the tire), but cheaper and lighter. A saddle with "clipped" ears 
probably won't be as comfortable as a B17 out and about, but a B17 is going 
to impede your ability to slide off the back of the saddle. At least it 
does for me. The other maneuver is to simply drop the saddle for descents, 
and 'float' above it. 
I like flared drops a lot, but flat bars work fine, too. I'm not a big fan 
of albatross bars or similar offroad, but people use them. I wouldn't start 
with them. 

If I was to spec a Hunqapillar as a "real" mountain bike, I'd get fat 
knobbies, a bullmoose bar (or Midge bar), and a narrow saddle. And that's 
it.  

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:48:15 AM UTC-8, David Stein wrote:
>
> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berliot 55 cm for Seattle area

[boomer]

Sold to a RBW reader here in Seattle.

On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:58:54 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> boomers bike has a nice build and the cranks I like, 170mm length. Nice. 
>> 1k is a great price.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Nitto R-14 vs Velo Orange Constructeur

[Tim Gavin]

The VO Constructeur rear rack doesn't connect to mounting bosses.  It's
designed to mount directly to metal fenders, or to the brake bridge (with
an accessory mount).  The brake bridge mounting doesn't look too bad to my
eye.  But not as nice or sturdy as the R-14.  BTW, I have an unused R-14
you could buy; I'm going with a Campee rear rack.


I installed a VO Constructeur front rack on my girlfriend's Soma San
Marcos.
My ratings:
Looks: 5/5
Ease of install: 2/5
Function: 4/5

The rack has that classic French style.  Polished stainless steel looks
great and is durable.
Installation was a pain.  It doesn't fit the fork very well; it seems too
long and the sidepull brakes interfere with the daruma mounting, forcing
the platform too far forward.  The daruma tang is too stout to bend by
hand.  That's a good thing for durability, but makes it hard to fit up.

Tim


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I looked at both of these racks to satisfy my desire for a lightweight
> rear rack to carry no more than 5-7 lbs.  Basically, to support what's in
> my Carradice Barley.  Contents to support brevets of 400K and longer where
> a change of clothes for cooler evening riding may be required.  Perhaps a
> light jacket, tights, and all the other normal stuff I carry like 4x tubes,
> spare tire, multitool, patch kit, tire lever, tire boots and whatever food
> I want to take - 5ish clif bars or so.
>
> I need to order the saddle loops from VO because I use a Terry Liberator
> saddle without loops.  I am going to pay for 2nd day shipping because I
> want to have the setup for this weekend's 400K I am doing.  I was planning
> on ordering the R-14 but when I saw the Constructor it appealed to me.  It
> also costs less than the R-14 and I would not have to pay 2nd day shipping
> for two vendors on opposite coasts.
>
> On the downside, the VO rack struts to connect to the mounting bosses that
> the Rivendell has near the brakes are not pretty.  The Nitto struts are
> very pretty.  Actually the entire Nitto rack is very pretty, and more
> visually appealing than the VO.
>
> Any opinions out there?
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Dan McNamara]

I am in the Bay Area and for fire road/single track I have 3: Bombadil
currently with Quasi-Moto tires, Black Mountain Cycle Monster Cross with
Bruce Gordan Rock&Road tires and a '94 Bridgestone XO-4 with Clement MSO
tires. The Black Mountain is a pretty great bike for the $ if you have
extra parts lying around for a build. Running On-One Midge flare bars on
that bike.

Never got into suspension bikes.

There are lots of great older mountain bikes that get turned in at used
bike co-ops and such. A tune up, a chain and some new tires and you are
good to go for a very small investment.

Dan

- Marin




On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Och! Aye. The wait is brutal! Get a poser bike to fill the void in the
> meantime. I rode what later became my wife's bike while I waited (I hadn't
> ridden a bike since my bludgeoned brain, so over ten years), and we'd
> gotten an old Trek MTB as a test bike. Way too small for me, but Rived out
> it worked and I could do wee rides with my daughters. But the anticipation
> and trying to imagine riding perfection and the drool, and the hope, and
> the fear that what if it doesn't work for some reason, and the... and
> the... will make you a blathering idiot that can only be cured by the
> arrival of a UPS box with goodie drawings on it. Just remember, it's
> coldest just before sunrise. Here's how I know: (Grin.)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/12513399475/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:24:23 AM UTC-7, David Stein wrote:
>
>> Bill - is this also known as the N+8?
>>
>> Patrick - agreed. My goal is to wait and ride and see what I want from
>> there. But damn, 4 months is a long time to wait on a bike, too much time
>> to think. Need to ride.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to the group, and best of luck with your Hunqapillar
>>>
>>> I have one bike that was sold as a mountain bike.  It's a 1986 Schwinn
>>> Paramountain.  I have a Bombadil, which I guess is kind of a mountain bike.
>>>  I have a two road bikes with plenty of clearance for cyclocross tires.  I
>>> have four 650B bikes that will take medium width knobbies and that I have
>>> no qualms about riding through Wildcat Canyon trails
>>>
>>> So to answer your question about how manysomewhere between zero and
>>> eight mountain bikes, depending on how one classifies them.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:48:15 AM UTC-8, David Stein wrote:

 New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads
 dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true
 mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how
 many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to
 take which bike out?

 I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding
 (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it.
 Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension.
 My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or
 racing, but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted
 in a crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq
 on). When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix
 of fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El
 Mariachi 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after
 another couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and
 sold it (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short
 and it wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of
 the frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only
 mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green
 guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional
 singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction
 with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing.

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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Christian]

Hi David,

I have a Hunq and a Salsa Spearfish dually (and a Log Haul Trucker set up 
for commuting and a Terraferma 650B that I use for most mixed terrain, 
road, and all randonneuring).  The Hunq and the SF are really very 
different bikes.  I like them both and generally use them for different 
kinds of riding.  Yes, the Hunq can do what the Spearfish can, i.e. 
technical trails, but I think the SF does it better.  Can the Spearfish get 
me around on all the dirt roads and climbs and daylong mixed terrain rides 
we have here in Central VA?  Yes, but the Hunq does it better.  Were I 
forced to choose only one I'd probably go with the Hunq.   

Enjoy your new Hunqapillar

Christian  

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:48:15 PM UTC-5, David Stein wrote:
>
> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Aye. The wait is brutal! Get a poser bike to fill the void in the 
meantime. I rode what later became my wife's bike while I waited (I hadn't 
ridden a bike since my bludgeoned brain, so over ten years), and we'd 
gotten an old Trek MTB as a test bike. Way too small for me, but Rived out 
it worked and I could do wee rides with my daughters. But the anticipation 
and trying to imagine riding perfection and the drool, and the hope, and 
the fear that what if it doesn't work for some reason, and the... and 
the... will make you a blathering idiot that can only be cured by the 
arrival of a UPS box with goodie drawings on it. Just remember, it's 
coldest just before sunrise. Here's how I know: 
(Grin.) http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/12513399475/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:24:23 AM UTC-7, David Stein wrote:
>
> Bill - is this also known as the N+8? 
>
> Patrick - agreed. My goal is to wait and ride and see what I want from 
> there. But damn, 4 months is a long time to wait on a bike, too much time 
> to think. Need to ride.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the group, and best of luck with your Hunqapillar
>>
>> I have one bike that was sold as a mountain bike.  It's a 1986 Schwinn 
>> Paramountain.  I have a Bombadil, which I guess is kind of a mountain bike. 
>>  I have a two road bikes with plenty of clearance for cyclocross tires.  I 
>> have four 650B bikes that will take medium width knobbies and that I have 
>> no qualms about riding through Wildcat Canyon trails
>>
>> So to answer your question about how manysomewhere between zero and 
>> eight mountain bikes, depending on how one classifies them.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:48:15 AM UTC-8, David Stein wrote:
>>>
>>> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
>>> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
>>> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
>>> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
>>> take which bike out?
>>>
>>> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
>>> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
>>> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
>>> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or 
>>> racing, but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted 
>>> in a crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq 
>>> on). When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix 
>>> of fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El 
>>> Mariachi 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after 
>>> another couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and 
>>> sold it (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short 
>>> and it wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of 
>>> the frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
>>> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
>>> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
>>> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
>>> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I meant derision in the sense that retro-grouches always resist new things, 
even when the "new" things have been common and widely accepted for a decade or 
two or three. The word "oversize" in this context is almost never used by 
somebody who doesn't have a bias toward older bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/18/2014 12:54 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

As long as we use terms like  "standard" and "oversize", there's bound to be 
confusion and mistaken ideas. With the sheer variety of not only tubing diameters, but also wall 
thicknesses, butting, cross-section shapes, heat treating options, etc, not to mention a lot of 
different frame designs, trying to differentiate one bike from another based on tubing diameter 
seems pretty arbitrary to me. The idea that we can know anything about the performance or feel of a 
bike based on this one factor is pretty far-fetched.



Maybe so, but for typical butted steel alloy tubing, wall thickness and 
tubing diameter will tell you an awful lot about frame stiffness, and if 
you already know from your prior experience that standard diameter 8/5/8 
or 7/4/7 give you the degree of flexibility you want, you can be pretty 
damned certain that oversize 8/5/8 or 9/6/9 is going to be too stiff.  
And there's absolutely NOTHING far-fetched about that.


After all, you yourself have said in this thread you are already certain 
that standard diameter tubing (and since you don't specify wall thicness 
we can assume you mean anything from 9/6/9 on down) is too flexible for you.



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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[David Stein]

Bill - is this also known as the N+8?

Patrick - agreed. My goal is to wait and ride and see what I want from
there. But damn, 4 months is a long time to wait on a bike, too much time
to think. Need to ride.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Welcome to the group, and best of luck with your Hunqapillar
>
> I have one bike that was sold as a mountain bike.  It's a 1986 Schwinn
> Paramountain.  I have a Bombadil, which I guess is kind of a mountain bike.
>  I have a two road bikes with plenty of clearance for cyclocross tires.  I
> have four 650B bikes that will take medium width knobbies and that I have
> no qualms about riding through Wildcat Canyon trails
>
> So to answer your question about how manysomewhere between zero and
> eight mountain bikes, depending on how one classifies them.
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:48:15 AM UTC-8, David Stein wrote:
>>
>> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads
>> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true
>> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how
>> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to
>> take which bike out?
>>
>> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding
>> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it.
>> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension.
>> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing,
>> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a
>> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on).
>> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of
>> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi
>> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another
>> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it
>> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it
>> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the
>> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only
>> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green
>> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional
>> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction
>> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing.
>>
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[RBW] Nitto R-14 vs Velo Orange Constructeur

[Jim Bronson]

I looked at both of these racks to satisfy my desire for a lightweight rear
rack to carry no more than 5-7 lbs.  Basically, to support what's in my
Carradice Barley.  Contents to support brevets of 400K and longer where a
change of clothes for cooler evening riding may be required.  Perhaps a
light jacket, tights, and all the other normal stuff I carry like 4x tubes,
spare tire, multitool, patch kit, tire lever, tire boots and whatever food
I want to take - 5ish clif bars or so.

I need to order the saddle loops from VO because I use a Terry Liberator
saddle without loops.  I am going to pay for 2nd day shipping because I
want to have the setup for this weekend's 400K I am doing.  I was planning
on ordering the R-14 but when I saw the Constructor it appealed to me.  It
also costs less than the R-14 and I would not have to pay 2nd day shipping
for two vendors on opposite coasts.

On the downside, the VO rack struts to connect to the mounting bosses that
the Rivendell has near the brakes are not pretty.  The Nitto struts are
very pretty.  Actually the entire Nitto rack is very pretty, and more
visually appealing than the VO.

Any opinions out there?

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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Bill Lindsay]

Welcome to the group, and best of luck with your Hunqapillar

I have one bike that was sold as a mountain bike.  It's a 1986 Schwinn 
Paramountain.  I have a Bombadil, which I guess is kind of a mountain bike. 
 I have a two road bikes with plenty of clearance for cyclocross tires.  I 
have four 650B bikes that will take medium width knobbies and that I have 
no qualms about riding through Wildcat Canyon trails

So to answer your question about how manysomewhere between zero and 
eight mountain bikes, depending on how one classifies them.  

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:48:15 AM UTC-8, David Stein wrote:
>
> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Deacon Patrick]

Get scent free and come with me sometime. Roots and rocks are fun to play 
on! I just take them slow and steady. They tell me how to ride them, what 
the flow is. We get along great! I go slow enough that most "falls" are me 
holding the handlebars and leaping to the side, all bits upright.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:06:42 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I have a near new '88 MB-2 Comp.  25 psi in the tires is my suspension.   
> I always end up on by back looking up at the trees. I'm still not sold 
> on this who "roots and rocks" riding thing 
>
>
> On 2/18/2014 11:59 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > I see no reason for suspension other than my God given arms and legs. 
> > My only bike is the Hunqapillar, which I now have 2.25" Smart Sams on 
> > and I love it for whatever I am doing (very biased toward remote dirt 
> > and single track. Poke around here for photos, but the Hunqapillar 
> > with 50mm touring tires (I switched to the Smart Sams this Winter) for 
> > quite technical trails with full bikepacking 
> > loads. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets 
> > 
> > My suggestion is to play with the Hunqapillar and get to know it and 
> > learn how to ride trails and grow in that together for a full year or 
> > two. At that point you will know the answer to your question. 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
> > 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Mike Schiller]

Oversize tubing adds stiffness given comparable wall thickness.  So 
depending on your size and planned loads you choose the appropriate 
stiffness desired.  
at 6' and  195ish I find standard diameter  8/5/8 tubing the best for 
unloaded riding on the road and smooth dirt trails.  For touring I have 
bike with the same wall thickness using OS tubes even though it's a front 
loading bike.

Production bike have to be stiffer as they have to fit a wider range of 
riders.  When you get a custom you can pick tubing that fits your size and 
riding style.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca






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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Deacon Patrick]

I see no reason for suspension other than my God given arms and legs. My 
only bike is the Hunqapillar, which I now have 2.25" Smart Sams on and I 
love it for whatever I am doing (very biased toward remote dirt and single 
track. Poke around here for photos, but the Hunqapillar with 50mm touring 
tires (I switched to the Smart Sams this Winter) for quite technical trails 
with full bikepacking loads. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets

My suggestion is to play with the Hunqapillar and get to know it and learn 
how to ride trails and grow in that together for a full year or two. At 
that point you will know the answer to your question.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:48:15 AM UTC-7, David Stein wrote:
>
> New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
> dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
> mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
> many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
> take which bike out?
>
> I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
> (Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
> Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
> My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
> but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
> crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
> When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
> fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
> 29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
> couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
> (I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
> wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
> frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
> mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
> guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
> singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
> with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I have a near new '88 MB-2 Comp.  25 psi in the tires is my suspension.  
I always end up on by back looking up at the trees. I'm still not sold 
on this who "roots and rocks" riding thing



On 2/18/2014 11:59 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I see no reason for suspension other than my God given arms and legs. 
My only bike is the Hunqapillar, which I now have 2.25" Smart Sams on 
and I love it for whatever I am doing (very biased toward remote dirt 
and single track. Poke around here for photos, but the Hunqapillar 
with 50mm touring tires (I switched to the Smart Sams this Winter) for 
quite technical trails with full bikepacking 
loads. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets


My suggestion is to play with the Hunqapillar and get to know it and 
learn how to ride trails and grow in that together for a full year or 
two. At that point you will know the answer to your question.


With abandon,
Patrick



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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1400 shipped - bump and price drop

[Bill Lindsay]

Deb my dear,

I think a 58cm Rambouillet is a little bit small for a true 6-footer, 
especially with a flat bar setup.  I think I could fit well on a 58 Ram 
with a drop bar setup, but I'm only 5'10".  A 59 San Marcos could be a good 
flat bar candidate for a 6-footer, but then he'd have the very polarizing 
second top tube to contend with.

Bill Lindsay
#6551
(aka bubba)  


On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:04:16 PM UTC-8, debra banks wrote:
>
> Thanks Leslie for this. 
>
> My guy is a long-legged 6 footer. He has been riding an old Marin mtn bike 
> with flat handlebar. Nothing special about it, his standover height looks 
> about normal (I know, what is normal these days?, but when I ride with him, 
> the bike seems well proportioned - frame to crotch, reach of hands to bar). 
> He will most likely put a flat bar of some sort on this, so will not the 
> reach for the hoods that we factor in. So what do you think?
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:49:13 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:38:36 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>>>
>>> Sizing. I think the 58 would be too small. Especially with the 8cm stem. 
>>> Here is the link to the original brochure with sizing info: 
>>>
>>> http://cyclofiend.3795Goh311b3nt/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/17.html 
>>>
>>> For a 6' rider a 62 would be a much better fit. I am 5'9" and the 58 
>>> fits fine. Although I find the 8cm stem a little too short. 
>>>
>>> There is a really clean 62 Ram on CL from Alameda. That might be a 
>>> better bet. He has it on eBay as well. If you need help checking that out 
>>> let me know. I work in Berkeley so not too far from Alameda. 
>>>
>>> Let me know if you want more info. 
>>>
>>
>> To throw in my two cents' worth here:I'm 6', but a 62 would feel a 
>> bit large;  I have a 60 Ram, and a 59 Rom, and actually like the Rom 
>> better, if on the same wheels.  But I know people my height that think my 
>> 60 is too tall even, and others that would rather go bigger...  It's not 
>> just height, but PBH that factors in there.  The PBH will get you on the 
>> right frame to start with, then the height can nudge you in a particular 
>> direction for a stem-length or handlebar style.   Stems and bars can be 
>> changed tho'... get the frame right, and the rest can be adjusted.
>>
>> So with that said, is your guy a long-legged 6' guy, or is he 
>> short-legged and long-torsoed?
>>
>> Just something to mull over
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

As long as we use terms like  "standard" and "oversize", there's bound to be 
confusion and mistaken ideas. With the sheer variety of not only tubing 
diameters, but also wall thicknesses, butting, cross-section shapes, heat 
treating options, etc, not to mention a lot of different frame designs, trying 
to differentiate one bike from another based on tubing diameter seems pretty 
arbitrary to me. The idea that we can know anything about the performance or 
feel of a bike based on this one factor is pretty far-fetched. 

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[RBW] How many mountain bikes do you own?

[David Stein]

New to the group. Have a Hunq on order. I've seen a number of threads 
dancing around this topic (including the recent 'Hunqapillar as a true 
mountain bike' thread). Wanted to ask the question a different way, how 
many mountain bikes do you own, what are they, and when do you decide to 
take which bike out?

I just got into mountain biking/trail riding after years of road riding 
(Bay Area, mostly fire roads for now, some single track). I suck at it. 
Trying to get better. Salsa El Mariachi with front suspension. 
My interest is in exploring mostly, not necessarily going fast or racing, 
but that being said I haven't met a downhill that hasn't resulted in a 
crash or three (including the demo ride in Shell Ridge I took the Hunq on). 
When I ordered the Hunq the idea was to use it as an all-rounder (mix of 
fire roads, light trails, city riding, commuting) and my Salsa El Mariachi 
29er to take on more technical terrain and single track. But after another 
couple more harrowing rides, I decided the Salsa wasn't for me and sold it 
(I think it was the 29er wheel size that I didn't like, I am short and it 
wasn't nimble enough, though maybe it was the general geometry of the 
frame). So now, I'm left with the choice of running the Hunq as my only 
mountain bike with two sets of wheels (2.1 smart sams on one and 1.75 green 
guards on another), or using the Salsa money to buy an additional 
singletrack specific bike with front suspension (and using in conjunction 
with the Hunq, the ole N+1). Curious to what other people are doing. 

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Re: [RBW] Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/18/2014 10:13 AM, Shaun Meehan wrote:
Agreed. And we might as well start referring to the "traditional" 
diameter tubung as "undersized" tubing.

Shaun Meehan


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
mailto:thill@gmail.com>> wrote:


It's been 20+ years since "oversized" tubing became the usual size
of tubing. Almost nobody uses the old sizes of tubing anymore. I
move that two decades is enough that we can start just referring
to the formerly oversized tubing as "tubing" or "standard-size
tubing" or whatever term makes it sound like the normal thing,
which it is.



I have no idea where Jim gets the idea that there's any derision in the 
term "oversize" never mind why derision should be directed at 
traditional diameter tubing.  But there's an excellent reason to leave 
things as they are: if you shift everything down one, then what some are 
calling "over-oversize" or "Uber-oversize" would be come "oversize" as 
"oversize" becomes "standard" and you and Jim would still sense derision 
when the term "oversize" is used and nobody would have any idea whether 
you were talking about OS or UOS.



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[RBW] Re: Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Pondero]

It seems the key is what 'oversized' is compared against.  Traditional 
diameter tubing doesn't seem undersized for me.  But I'm smaller and 
lighter.

60cm frames are 'oversized' frames...for some of us.

So 'over' and 'under' seem to have much to do with rider and purpose.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pics from inside Waterford

[Dan]

Yep, they paint there too. I toured the factory with a group of BOBs 
several years back. They had several Paramounts that had come in for 
restoration (and were absolutely perfect) and a guy was in the process of 
spraying a yellow Gunnar when we went by the paint booth.

It's been said before, but Richard Schwinn is a great guy and loves to show 
folks around his shop. They are also very proud of the precision that they 
hold their specs too. 

On Monday, February 17, 2014 11:43:56 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Hey Michael,
>
> Looked to me like they were painting in Waterford, but I didn't see it 
> happening.
>
> Tony
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stem shifter thing/Paul singlemaker thing

[Clayton]

Patrick, I'm interested in the wood chippers.
Are the wood chippers 25.4s? How much dinero?
Chip, chip chip...
Clay

On Monday, February 17, 2014 9:23:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
> Howdy All:
>
> I'm moving and must get my parts/frames collection to almost zero. 
>
> Nitto 1" stem shifter adaptor from Riv. Excellent shape, $35 shipped.
>
> Paul silver singlenator(?) gizmo. Installed, maybe a few miles on it. 
> Excellent. $40 shipped.
>
> 1989 55cm Serotta Colorado II frameset f/f/King hs/bb if needed. 1989 
> sunburst paint. Excellent. $750 plus shipping.
>
> I can send pics.
>
> RB-1, LeMond ti frameset, 700c Mavic ceramic/DA wheels, CXP/DA wheelset, 
> SA 3-speed fixed/free Mavic ceramic wheel, Salsa Woodchippers w/levers, 
> much more. 
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick Shea
>

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[RBW] Re: Sexy new touring tire? Schwalbe Almotion

[Mike On A Bike]

Yeah, I'm strongly considering Marathon 40's actually. I had them when I 
first got my Sam Hillborne (the bike these would be for) and did not think 
that my 35's were significantly faster, I just found 35's for much cheaper 
when I had to replace a cut tire. It's hard to beat the Mara Supremes. 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:45:10 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Seems pretty heavy for the use you describe, though Schwalbe somehow knows 
> how to make heavy tires that roll fairly well. I'd go with the Supreme in a 
> 40 or the Racer in 38.

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Re: [RBW] Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Almost 10 years ago, I bought a 1991 Waterford Paramount frame. Besides the 
sexy pearly metallic red color, the most noticeable thing about the frame was 
its True Temper OS stickers. OS was for over-sized. I didn't understand at the 
time why they made such a big deal out of the OS tubes when the tube diameters 
seemed to match those of my Atlantis. Now nobody puts OS stickers on a bike, or 
advertises oversized tubes, because it's more or less the standard (to the 
extent that there is a standard). Many people who still use the "oversized" 
term are antiquarians who prefer old technology and use the term somewhat 
derisively. When discussing this subject, I started using the term "undersized" 
to turn the tables on the derision ;)

Personally, as a dude who floats between 175-200 lbs, I don't care for the feel 
of the old skinnier, flexier tubing. I won't say that it's unsafe, exactly, but 
I do find the flex to be disconcerting at times. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1400 shipped - bump and price drop

[Deacon Patrick]

Call Rivendell with his PBH and talk it over with them. They'll steer you 
right.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:08:30 PM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>
> Some tire kicking but nothing solid so far. 
>
>
> $50 off for local SF Bay Area sales. 
>
> Open to parting out if someone is interested in the frame or some group of 
> components.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
>
> -
>
>
> After lots of pondering I have decided to offer up my green 2006 58cm
> Ram for sale.
>
> Need to thin the herd and prep for an unexpected arrival in 6.5 months
> or so. Not a bicycle arrival, either.
>
> It is a great bike. Nice but not perfect shape. Beausage but not too
> much. No dents. I bought the bike from the first owner - time to move
> it forward with a few upgrades.
>
> Some original and some new parts. I had just gotten into replacing the
> bar tape and brake levers when I made the decision so decided to leave
> the brake cables & bar wrap for the new owner to complete. I am
> including new brake cables/ black housing and a package of the natural
> cork tape from RBW to complete things. The brake housing run from the rear 
> TT
> stop to the rear brake is fine and recent so I am leaving that as is.
>
> Here are the build details:
>
> 58 cm Rambouillet:
>
> Mavic Open Pro / Ultegra hubs
> Grand Bois Cypres 30 tires - recent
> Ultegra headset
> Origin 8 brake levers (Tektro R340) - new
> Tektro R539 brakes - recent
> Shimano 105 triple front Der
> Deore LX rear der
> Sugino triple crankset 48/36/26
> Shimano HG-61 11-34 cassette - recent
> Shimano 9-speed chain - recent
> Shimano 9-speed bar ends - indexes properly if you want to go that way.
> Nitto Noodles 46cm
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem  8cm
> Nitto 65 seatpost
>
> Not including the saddle, pedals/clips, or bottle cages.
>
>  I am including an extra pair of new in package GB Cypres 30 tires. So 4 
> tires total.
>
>
> Link to some photos: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/3owvcanep0srgok/BC5eyQrHXk
>
> Let me know if there are problems accessing the images.
>
> Questions? Ask away.
>
> Dan
>
> -Marin / Berkeley
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1400 shipped - bump and price drop

[Glen]

To further cloud your decision. I'm a long legged six-footer and ride a 
64cm Ram. I wouldn't want it any smaller.

On Monday, February 17, 2014 11:04:16 PM UTC-7, debra banks wrote:
>
> Thanks Leslie for this. 
>
> My guy is a long-legged 6 footer. He has been riding an old Marin mtn bike 
> with flat handlebar. Nothing special about it, his standover height looks 
> about normal (I know, what is normal these days?, but when I ride with him, 
> the bike seems well proportioned - frame to crotch, reach of hands to bar). 
> He will most likely put a flat bar of some sort on this, so will not the 
> reach for the hoods that we factor in. So what do you think?
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:49:13 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:38:36 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>>>
>>> Sizing. I think the 58 would be too small. Especially with the 8cm stem. 
>>> Here is the link to the original brochure with sizing info: 
>>>
>>> http://cyclofiend.3795Goh311b3nt/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/17.html 
>>>
>>> For a 6' rider a 62 would be a much better fit. I am 5'9" and the 58 
>>> fits fine. Although I find the 8cm stem a little too short. 
>>>
>>> There is a really clean 62 Ram on CL from Alameda. That might be a 
>>> better bet. He has it on eBay as well. If you need help checking that out 
>>> let me know. I work in Berkeley so not too far from Alameda. 
>>>
>>> Let me know if you want more info. 
>>>
>>
>> To throw in my two cents' worth here:I'm 6', but a 62 would feel a 
>> bit large;  I have a 60 Ram, and a 59 Rom, and actually like the Rom 
>> better, if on the same wheels.  But I know people my height that think my 
>> 60 is too tall even, and others that would rather go bigger...  It's not 
>> just height, but PBH that factors in there.  The PBH will get you on the 
>> right frame to start with, then the height can nudge you in a particular 
>> direction for a stem-length or handlebar style.   Stems and bars can be 
>> changed tho'... get the frame right, and the rest can be adjusted.
>>
>> So with that said, is your guy a long-legged 6' guy, or is he 
>> short-legged and long-torsoed?
>>
>> Just something to mull over
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Just what is "oversized tubing"?

[Shaun Meehan]

Agreed. And we might as well start referring to the "traditional" diameter
tubung as "undersized" tubing.

Shaun Meehan


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's been 20+ years since "oversized" tubing became the usual size of
> tubing. Almost nobody uses the old sizes of tubing anymore. I move that two
> decades is enough that we can start just referring to the formerly
> oversized tubing as "tubing" or "standard-size tubing" or whatever term
> makes it sound like the normal thing, which it is.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sexy new touring tire? Schwalbe Almotion

[Ron Mc]

we're at the point of hijacking the thread now, but I'm running Challenge 
clinchers on 3 bikes and may add a 4th.  Easy to mount if you do it right. 
 The key to mounting them is starting just beside the valve stem and going 
around continuously, returning to the stem - you stretch the bead last at 
the stem, while pushing the stem up to avoid pinching the tube.  

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:00:47 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 02/18/2014 09:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote: 
> > I just bought a pair of Challenge Strada Bianca - seems appropriate 
> > for our white caliche ranch roads.  These are only 33mm, and run at 
> > 50-55 psi.  But they are also 4 ply tires, and weigh 360g. 
>
> Let us know how they work out.  A friend of mine got a pair, struggled 
> mightily to mount them, and on her first ride picked up a wire 20 miles 
> into the ride, and when she got home she replaced them. 
>
>
>

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