Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Overseas Trip - What do you want?

[justinaugust]

I thought there was talk of a "Silver" branded crankset a while ago. Did I make 
that up?


-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 53 Bleriot frameset!

[Tony DeFilippo]

A frame shouldn't stay pristine... What can you really do to it in the build 
process to mess it up?  Worst case you get part way done and have to ask for 
help.

Now if you have no interest in doing the build that's perfectly fine, it's 
almost a hobby within another hobby.  And I don't think it takes anything away 
if you only like riding and not tinkering.

But if you are at all interested... Is so much fun! Start right away!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: WTT - WI Eno Crankset (180 for 170/175)

[Tony DeFilippo]

Any shorter WI crank sets out there?  Adding to the potential trade targets;

Bruce Gordon canti brakes (set)
Paul touring/neo retro canti brakes (set)
Saddlesack large (preferred) or medium (probably still interested)
Retro shift levers with shifters
S&s travel case

Or make me an interesting offer!

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[RBW] Re: Fully Riv'd Santana Touring Tandem

[Michael Hechmer]

What a shame.  If you feel you have to sell it, you are way underpricing 
it.  I'd suggest at least doubling the price and listing it on 
tan...@hobbes.ucsd.edu.  I'd buy it myself but don't know where I could 
store it.  Someone is going to get a fine bike at a great price.

Michael

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:13:57 PM UTC-4, William! wrote:
>
> I've come to the painful realization that our tandem needs to go. The bike 
> was lovingly restored by me and has seen many wonderful journeys. However, 
> since our son was born the only time it sees any uses is when I use it to 
> pick people up from the train station =(.
>
> Look at the pictures first:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/57941256@N00/13133971214/in/set-72157642312563303
>
> The frame is a late 80's or early 90's, beautifully fillet brazed Columbus 
> tubing. Not sure what measurements are appropriate to give, but my wife and 
> I are about 5"7 and 6" respectively. It has the original Araya 27" tandem 
> wheels. The bike could be converted to 700c but the wheels have many miles 
> left on them so I haven't bothered.
>
> The cockpit features albatross bars, silver shifters and mountain style 
> levers. Captain and stoker both get shellacked cork grips and Honey Brooks 
> B-17's. On the rear I've got a stainless steel touring rack with a fancy 
> Nigel Smythe trunk bag. This bike is equally ready to ride on an extended 
> tour or a Sunday picnic in the park.
>
> I'd like to get $*1,000* *as pictured*, though I'd consider selling 
> without saddles, bags etc if you prefer. I've spent considerably more 
> building it up and I suspect it might fetch more on Craigslist or Ebay, but 
> given the sentimental value I would love to sell this bike to someone 
> on-list. 
>
> Located in Portland, Oregon. 
>

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[RBW] Re: rack eyelet - bolt size?

[Ron Mc]

I counted bolts the other night on my load-hauler.  10 M6 including brakes 
and Nitto rods; 1 M7 on a Bertoud decaleur';2 M8 on stem and seapost; and 
28 M5 including racks, fenders, bottle cages and chainring bolts.  

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:47:11 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Another good source is Ace Hardware.  I get stainless to avoid rust.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:30:32 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Don't mean to be dense but what is the bolt size needed for the eyelets 
>> that you connect a rack to that are near the rear dropouts?  And can these 
>> be obtained at say Home Depot?
>>
>> I know the head is either 4mm or 5mm, but that doesn't help with the 
>> thread size.  Or does it?  
>>
>> Basically, I just need some bolts to hook up this R-14 that I got from 
>> this list.  I have the stock Rivendell bolts on the seat stays above the 
>> brakes, and I will use those, but I need to know what to get for the 
>> eyelets.
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Grant on tires

[Steven Frederick]

Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  (vs the
supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website
description of a Conti tire:

"...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and for
more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead. Combo
tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging out the
bumps..."

Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Roadeo

[Steven Frederick]

No, not talking a conversion, talking a bike with the Roadeo's geometry and
light tubes, built around my favorite wheel/tire size...

Custom would probably be the only way to get it...


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I believe it's technically feasible..you should be able to find
> center-pull brakes with enough reach to get the pads down to a 650B rim.
> But I suspect one ride on a 700c Roadeo would disabuse you of any notion
> that you need this option.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:54:11 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to think my perfect bike might be a Roadeo built around 38mm
>> tires on 650b wheels.  I notice that Riv says "made to order-please call"
>> for Roadeos-wonder if they'd make them that much to order?
>>
>> I'd ask them directly but I'm not nearly serious enough about it to bug
>> them...yet!
>>
>> Steve
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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[tdusky]

>From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy, Riding 
on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work.
Tom Dusky
Huntington Woods, MI

On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>
> Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  (vs 
> the supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website 
> description of a Conti tire:
>
> "...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and for 
> more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead. Combo 
> tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging out the 
> bumps..."
>
> Steve
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62-64 Quickbeam

[jim]

I have an orange 64 that I thought about selling, are looking for a whole 
bike or frame/fork?
Jim (Madison WI)

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:01:28 PM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> As the subject states, I am hoping to find/purchase a 62-64cm Quickbeam. 
> Please feel free to email me. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Aaron Young]

I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making his
decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely be
willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin
tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread
and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:23 AM, tdusky  wrote:

> From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy, Riding
> on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work.
> Tom Dusky
> Huntington Woods, MI
>
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>>
>> Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  (vs
>> the supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website
>> description of a Conti tire:
>>
>> "...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and for
>> more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead. Combo
>> tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging out the
>> bumps..."
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Steven Frederick]

I can certainly find either type of tire useful in some applications.  I
just thought this was kind of a nifty summation of his preferences...

Steve


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making his
> decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely be
> willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin
> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread
> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:23 AM, tdusky  wrote:
>
>> From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy,
>> Riding on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work.
>> Tom Dusky
>> Huntington Woods, MI
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  (vs
>>> the supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website
>>> description of a Conti tire:
>>>
>>> "...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and for
>>> more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead. Combo
>>> tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging out the
>>> bumps..."
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Jim Bronson]

Another vote for the pure cycling joy of light, easy rolling tires.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Steven Frederick  wrote:

> I can certainly find either type of tire useful in some applications.  I
> just thought this was kind of a nifty summation of his preferences...
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making
>> his decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely
>> be willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin
>> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread
>> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.
>>
>> -Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:23 AM, tdusky  wrote:
>>
>>> From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy,
>>> Riding on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work.
>>> Tom Dusky
>>> Huntington Woods, MI
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:

 Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  (vs
 the supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website
 description of a Conti tire:

 "...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and
 for more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead.
 Combo tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging
 out the bumps..."

 Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Ron Mc]

Weighting advantages and disadvantages is why tires are a such a personal 
choice, and nothing about tire choices can ever be made empirical.  

On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:36:06 AM UTC-5, AaronY wrote:
>
> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making his 
> decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely be 
> willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin 
> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread 
> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:23 AM, tdusky  >wrote:
>
>> From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy, 
>> Riding on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work.
>> Tom Dusky
>> Huntington Woods, MI
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  (vs 
>>> the supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website 
>>> description of a Conti tire:
>>>
>>> "...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and for 
>>> more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead. Combo 
>>> tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging out the 
>>> bumps..."
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Allan in Portland]

U2 superior to the 
SR71? 
Bah!

Though sorry you missed our Dalles Mtn 60 last weekend as the subject of 
those aircraft did come up. :)

-Allan

On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:49:30 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 03/14/2014 10:36 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>  
> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making his 
> decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely be 
> willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin 
> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread 
> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.
>  
>
> Outweighs those performance gains for a specific type of riding.  It's 
> another example of 'horses for courses.'  When this thread began, I was 
> tempted to post a couple of photos illustrating & comparing the Grant vs 
> Jan approaches:
>
> *Grant*
>
>
> A-10
>
>
> vs 
>
> *Jan*
>
>
> U-2
>
> (Note, that both examples represent perhaps the best aircraft of each type 
> ever developed...)
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: OK, what is it? (zero dollar BLUG challenge)

[Ryan]

Thankyou, Frankthat's the one...totally screwed up on the colours. 
Anyway, when I saw the original picture, that is the bike I immediately 
thought of with its elegant,downright swoopy fork crown. I couldn't google 
the image to save my life, though:)
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:32:55 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote: 
>
> Here it is. Maybe. 
>
>
> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:42:07 PM UTC-5, Ryan wrote: 
>>
>> Remember that fancy fixed gear mtn  Rivendell had at NAHBS (or some other 
>> handmade bicycle show)...bike was olive green with paler green 
>> accents? remember the fork crown on that bike?Just sayin
>> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:42:52 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: 
>>>
>>> Strawberry Cycles seatstay yoke. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:13:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: 

  
 
 My guess is it's a rear brake bridge.  I think Riv likes chainstay caps 
 way too much to ever use this.  Or, maybe I'm wrong what it is (but I'm 
 pretty sure I'm not wrong)

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Bill Gibson]

I'm just glad I can choose both! When I ride on pretty good to poor
surfaces I can one, when I ride through cactus, goatheads, glass, and
flint, I can choose the other. I can underbike, and I can overbike!


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Allan in Portland
wrote:

> U2 superior to the 
> SR71?
> Bah!
>
> Though sorry you missed our Dalles Mtn 60 last weekend as the subject of
> those aircraft did come up. :)
>
> -Allan
>
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:49:30 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>  On 03/14/2014 10:36 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>>
>> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making
>> his decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely
>> be willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin
>> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread
>> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.
>>
>>
>> Outweighs those performance gains for a specific type of riding.  It's
>> another example of 'horses for courses.'  When this thread began, I was
>> tempted to post a couple of photos illustrating & comparing the Grant vs
>> Jan approaches:
>>
>> *Grant*
>>
>>
>> A-10
>>
>>
>> vs
>>
>> *Jan*
>>
>>
>> U-2
>>
>> (Note, that both examples represent perhaps the best aircraft of each
>> type ever developed...)
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Re: [RBW] OK, what is it? (zero dollar BLUG challenge)

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I just came across an example of the brake bridge yoke used on Six-Eleven's 
webpage:



> http://sixelevenbicycleco.com/work/no-bls-star-city-go-all/
>
>
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In balmy Chicago, IL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Jan Heine]

Any airplane must be light enough to fly, and strong enough to survive 
turbulence. It's a fine balancing act, and it's the reason why Rene Herse's 
bikes are so amazing: He learned his craft building prototype aircraft, 
including the first plane to fly across the Atlantic the hard way – against 
the westerly winds. His vision has greatly influenced how I see bikes: 
Light enough to fly, but strong enough to survive turbulence. So we don't 
make "event" tires, but we also don't make "bullet-proof" tires you can 
ride even without air in them.

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On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:49:30 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 03/14/2014 10:36 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
> Outweighs those performance gains for a specific type of riding.  It's 
> another example of 'horses for courses.'  When this thread began, I was 
> tempted to post a couple of photos illustrating & comparing the Grant vs 
> Jan approaches:
>
> *Grant*
>
>
> A-10
>
>
> vs 
>
> *Jan*
>
>
> U-2
>
> (Note, that both examples represent perhaps the best aircraft of each type 
> ever developed...)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Jim Bronson]

You can't make something fly just by making it light.  While weight is
certainly a critical parameter in determining performance as stated in
payload/range and speed, no airplane needs to be "light enough to fly".  It
needs to have enough lift from it's wings to overcome whatever weight it is
trying to fly with, and enough thrust to propel the aircraft to a forward
speed high enough where the wings produce the required lift, while
overcoming aerodynamic drag.

You're in Seattle, just look down the road to Everett where they build the
777 and 747.  The max gross takeoff weight of a 747-8, the current
production model, is nearly 1 million pounds.  The max gross takeoff weight
of the heaviest current 777 model, the 777-300ER, is 766,000lbs.

Someone mentioned the U-2 earlier.  While a beautiful and graceful
aircraft, the wing characteristics and the altitude it flies at cause it to
have a very nasty "coffin corner" where the speeds available at cruise
between mach buffet (overspeed) and stall speed are very small.  It's a
good plane to look at but it's quite tricky to fly.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:

> Any airplane must be light enough to fly, and strong enough to survive
> turbulence. It's a fine balancing act, and it's the reason why Rene Herse's
> bikes are so amazing: He learned his craft building prototype aircraft,
> including the first plane to fly across the Atlantic the hard way - against
> the westerly winds. His vision has greatly influenced how I see bikes:
> Light enough to fly, but strong enough to survive turbulence. So we don't
> make "event" tires, but we also don't make "bullet-proof" tires you can
> ride even without air in them.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>
> Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:49:30 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>  On 03/14/2014 10:36 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>> Outweighs those performance gains for a specific type of riding.  It's
>> another example of 'horses for courses.'  When this thread began, I was
>> tempted to post a couple of photos illustrating & comparing the Grant vs
>> Jan approaches:
>>
>> *Grant*
>>
>>
>> A-10
>>
>>
>> vs
>>
>> *Jan*
>>
>>
>> U-2
>>
>> (Note, that both examples represent perhaps the best aircraft of each
>> type ever developed...)
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Tim McNamara]

Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention publicly).  
Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel with an eye towards 
speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area hills.  They will 
probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best suit their riding 
predilections.

I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the Seattle 
area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the Bay Area roads 
are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis and St. Paul have 
become over the past 10-15 years and especially after this winter, stout tires 
are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have both cut way back on road 
maintenance and repairs, going to a complaint-based rather than a proactive 
model (basically they have to get a certain number of phone calls about a 
pothole or other road problem before they go out to fix it).  I'd probably 
shred a Grand Bois in one ride around here nowadays.

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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Jim Bronson]

My opinion is that Jan is trying to optimize his tires for randonneuring,
which is fine with me because that's the source of many of the miles that I
put on my Rivendell.  I listened to Jan when I was running 700c and
switched from Gatorskins to Grand Bois and I had never been happier.  Now
on 650b and I agree with Jan's assessment of the 650b scene.

I have been using Pari-Motos but I am quite intrigued by the Compass Loup
Loup pass, which is stated on Compass' website to have all the suppleness
of the Pari-Moto but with slightly thicker rubber in the middle of the
tire.

OK, so Compass' website doesn't explicitly compare to the Pari-Moto, but
the reference to the Pari-Moto is very thinly veiled in the Loup Loup
description:  "The tread is 3 mm thick to last many miles, unlike thinner
high-performance tires which are best treated as "event" tires.".
Previously, when Compass sold the Pari-Moto, they referred to it as an
"event" tire.  I suppose the reader can draw his or her own conclusions
from that ;)

Jim



On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention
> publicly).  Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel
> with an eye towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area
> hills.  They will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best
> suit their riding predilections.
>
> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the
> Seattle area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the
> Bay Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis
> and St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after
> this winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have
> both cut way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a
> complaint-based rather than a proactive model (basically they have to get a
> certain number of phone calls about a pothole or other road problem before
> they go out to fix it).  I'd probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around
> here nowadays.
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Bill Gibson]

My Grand Bois tires sing around Phoenix, even on dirt. I don't ride my road
bike on the trails of South Mountain, but the roads there are great. Just
too short.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention
> publicly).  Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel
> with an eye towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area
> hills.  They will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best
> suit their riding predilections.
>
> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the
> Seattle area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the
> Bay Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis
> and St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after
> this winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have
> both cut way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a
> complaint-based rather than a proactive model (basically they have to get a
> certain number of phone calls about a pothole or other road problem before
> they go out to fix it).  I'd probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around
> here nowadays.
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/14/2014 12:39 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
My opinion is that Jan is trying to optimize his tires for 
randonneuring, which is fine with me because that's the source of many 
of the miles that I put on my Rivendell. I listened to Jan when I was 
running 700c and switched from Gatorskins to Grand Bois and I had 
never been happier. Now on 650b and I agree with Jan's assessment of 
the 650b scene.


I have been using Pari-Motos but I am quite intrigued by the Compass 
Loup Loup pass, which is stated on Compass' website to have all the 
suppleness of the Pari-Moto but with slightly thicker rubber in the 
middle of the tire.


OK, so Compass' website doesn't explicitly compare to the Pari-Moto, 
but the reference to the Pari-Moto is very thinly veiled in the Loup 
Loup description: "The tread is 3 mm thick to last many miles, unlike 
thinner high-performance tires which are best treated as "event" 
tires.". Previously, when Compass sold the Pari-Moto, they referred to 
it as an "event" tire. I suppose the reader can draw his or her own 
conclusions from that ;)


Kirk Pacenti himself referred to the Pari Moto as an "event tire."


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/14/2014 12:25 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
You can't make something fly just by making it light. While weight is 
certainly a critical parameter in determining performance as stated in 
payload/range and speed, no airplane needs to be "light enough to 
fly".  It needs to have enough lift from it's wings to overcome 
whatever weight it is trying to fly with, and enough thrust to propel 
the aircraft to a forward speed high enough where the wings produce 
the required lift, while overcoming aerodynamic drag.


You're in Seattle, just look down the road to Everett where they build 
the 777 and 747.  The max gross takeoff weight of a 747-8, the current 
production model, is nearly 1 million pounds.  The max gross takeoff 
weight of the heaviest current 777 model, the 777-300ER, is 766,000lbs.


Someone mentioned the U-2 earlier.  While a beautiful and graceful 
aircraft, the wing characteristics and the altitude it flies at cause 
it to have a very nasty "coffin corner" where the speeds available at 
cruise between mach buffet (overspeed) and stall speed are very 
small.  It's a good plane to look at but it's quite tricky to fly.


"Good" and "easy to fly" are not synonyms.The U2 has been in service 
since 1957 and is in service today.  Can there be better evidence that 
it's good at its job?




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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[reynoldslugs]

Betty or Veronica? Ginger, or  Mary Anne?

It's good to have good choices - and I'm in the middle of the Grant/Jan 
spectrum.  I'm a Clydesdale and I ride on some rough roads.   I like fat 
tires but don't like changing flats, so my tire of choice in 700c is the 
Schwalbe Kojak.  Still trying to figure out the best 650b...

M

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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Ron Mc]

I'd hate to pedal a Boeing 777

On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:52:31 AM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Betty or Veronica? Ginger, or  Mary Anne?
>
> It's good to have good choices - and I'm in the middle of the Grant/Jan 
> spectrum.  I'm a Clydesdale and I ride on some rough roads.   I like fat 
> tires but don't like changing flats, so my tire of choice in 700c is the 
> Schwalbe Kojak.  Still trying to figure out the best 650b...
>
> M
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Jan Heine]

On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:25:49 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> You can't make something fly just by making it light.  
>

You are totally right. You cannot make a great tire just by making it 
light, either. 

Aircraft design, especially in the early days before prodigious horsepower 
could lift even huge weights, was a careful balance of lightness and 
strength. On bicycles, we still live in that age, because we cannot 
increase the horsepower much. Even a professional racer puts out only 
little more than a single horsepower, and not for long!

Back to tires, there are many factors that have to be considered. We could 
make our tires lighter, but only at the expense of a greatly reduced 
longevity. We'd gain very little in speed, so to me, the trade-off was not 
worth it. The art lies in making the right compromises, and of course, 
everybody will value different compromises depending on how they ride. 
There is no "perfect" tire, but a variety of perfect tires optimized for 
different riding styles.

Jan Heine
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Mike Williams]

Speaking of tires, I have to give a plug for the Cont. CX speed that Riv sells, 
 if you havnt ridden that tire,  you ought too.   Its pretty darn light ~ 
420grams, and feels supple to me and SUPER grippy,  even has flat protection.   
Unimprovable( made up word) for the kind of riding I enjoy!  -Mike

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> On Mar 14, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Bill Gibson  wrote:
> 
> My Grand Bois tires sing around Phoenix, even on dirt. I don't ride my road 
> bike on the trails of South Mountain, but the roads there are great. Just too 
> short.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention publicly).  
>> Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel with an eye 
>> towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area hills.  They 
>> will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best suit their riding 
>> predilections.
>> 
>> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the 
>> Seattle area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the Bay 
>> Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis and 
>> St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after this 
>> winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have both cut 
>> way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a complaint-based rather 
>> than a proactive model (basically they have to get a certain number of phone 
>> calls about a pothole or other road problem before they go out to fix it).  
>> I'd probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around here nowadays.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Eric Norris]

Somebody please buy and try the new Compass tires. I'm interested, but I'd like 
to see how they perform. 

–Eric N
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> On Mar 14, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> My opinion is that Jan is trying to optimize his tires for randonneuring, 
> which is fine with me because that's the source of many of the miles that I 
> put on my Rivendell.  I listened to Jan when I was running 700c and switched 
> from Gatorskins to Grand Bois and I had never been happier.  Now on 650b and 
> I agree with Jan's assessment of the 650b scene.
> 
> I have been using Pari-Motos but I am quite intrigued by the Compass Loup 
> Loup pass, which is stated on Compass' website to have all the suppleness of 
> the Pari-Moto but with slightly thicker rubber in the middle of the tire.  
> 
> OK, so Compass' website doesn't explicitly compare to the Pari-Moto, but the 
> reference to the Pari-Moto is very thinly veiled in the Loup Loup 
> description:  "The tread is 3 mm thick to last many miles, unlike thinner 
> high-performance tires which are best treated as “event” tires.".  
> Previously, when Compass sold the Pari-Moto, they referred to it as an 
> "event" tire.  I suppose the reader can draw his or her own conclusions from 
> that ;)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention publicly).  
>> Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel with an eye 
>> towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area hills.  They 
>> will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best suit their riding 
>> predilections.
>> 
>> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the 
>> Seattle area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the Bay 
>> Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis and 
>> St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after this 
>> winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have both cut 
>> way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a complaint-based rather 
>> than a proactive model (basically they have to get a certain number of phone 
>> calls about a pothole or other road problem before they go out to fix it).  
>> I'd probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around here nowadays.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

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Jan:

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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[RJM]

I bought the 32mm 700c tire they have (forgot the name) but haven't had a 
chance to use it though. I bought some tubes when buying the tires too, but 
the valve stems are too short for my wheels. I am going to try them out on 
my Roadeo and am hopeful for a nice, fast, supple ride. 
 
I will say that since I got the Roadeo and have made it my super "go fast" 
bike, I have turned the Sam into a Rivendell-like ride instead of the 
faster road bike I had it as. The first thing I did was change tires to 
some Fatty Rumpkins. I had issues with flats the last two years while 
riding it with Pari Motos and Hutchinson 32s; the Fatty Rumpkins will 
probably help with flats, especially now that I am going to ride longer and 
farther on dirt trails with it.
 
I like the lighter tires when road riding, especially when I do it with the 
bike club...so the Roadeo gets those. When out commuting and playing in 
less than perfect tarmac/dirt, I want something with more protection and 
has more bullet-proofness to it. 
 

On Friday, March 14, 2014 12:32:25 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:

>  Somebody please buy and try the new Compass tires. I'm interested, but 
> I'd like to see how they perform. 
>
> –Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
> On Mar 14, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Jim Bronson > 
> wrote:
>
>   My opinion is that Jan is trying to optimize his tires for 
> randonneuring, which is fine with me because that's the source of many of 
> the miles that I put on my Rivendell.  I listened to Jan when I was running 
> 700c and switched from Gatorskins to Grand Bois and I had never been 
> happier.  Now on 650b and I agree with Jan's assessment of the 650b scene.
>
> I have been using Pari-Motos but I am quite intrigued by the Compass Loup 
> Loup pass, which is stated on Compass' website to have all the suppleness 
> of the Pari-Moto but with slightly thicker rubber in the middle of the 
> tire.  
>
> OK, so Compass' website doesn't explicitly compare to the Pari-Moto, but 
> the reference to the Pari-Moto is very thinly veiled in the Loup Loup 
> description:  "The tread is 3 mm thick to last many miles, unlike thinner 
> high-performance tires which are best treated as “event” tires.".  
> Previously, when Compass sold the Pari-Moto, they referred to it as an 
> "event" tire.  I suppose the reader can draw his or her own conclusions 
> from that ;)
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tim McNamara 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention 
>> publicly).  Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel 
>> with an eye towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area 
>> hills.  They will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best 
>> suit their riding predilections.
>>
>> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the 
>> Seattle area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the 
>> Bay Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis 
>> and St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after 
>> this winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have 
>> both cut way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a 
>> complaint-based rather than a proactive model (basically they have to get a 
>> certain number of phone calls about a pothole or other road problem before 
>> they go out to fix it).  I'd probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around 
>> here nowadays.
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Ryan]

Yes, In Winnipeg our roads look like the craters of the moon. I feel your 
pain, Tim. So...sturdy tires like the Paselas I've been using work for me
On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:27:07 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote: 
>
> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention 
> publicly).  Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel 
> with an eye towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area 
> hills.  They will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best 
> suit their riding predilections. 
>
> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the 
> Seattle area, so I don’t know what the road conditions are like.  If the 
> Bay Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis 
> and St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after 
> this winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have 
> both cut way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a 
> complaint-based rather than a proactive model (basically they have to get a 
> certain number of phone calls about a pothole or other road problem before 
> they go out to fix it).  I’d probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around 
> here nowadays.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62-64 Quickbeam

[Justin Schoop]

Either or honestly. I think I would prefer a frame only since it'll be cheaper 
but am open to any offers. Frame or compete bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Roadeo

[Leslie]

Gotcha...

But, if you're selling this hypothetical "650b Roadeo", then I think that 
would be part of the description up-front, eh??



On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:34:02 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>
> No, not talking a conversion, talking a bike with the Roadeo's geometry 
> and light tubes, built around my favorite wheel/tire size...
>
> Custom would probably be the only way to get it...
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Joe Bernard 
> > wrote:
>
>> I believe it's technically feasible..you should be able to find 
>> center-pull brakes with enough reach to get the pads down to a 650B rim. 
>> But I suspect one ride on a 700c Roadeo would disabuse you of any notion 
>> that you need this option. 
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:54:11 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>>
>>> I'm starting to think my perfect bike might be a Roadeo built around 
>>> 38mm tires on 650b wheels.  I notice that Riv says "made to order-please 
>>> call" for Roadeos-wonder if they'd make them that much to order? 
>>>
>>> I'd ask them directly but I'm not nearly serious enough about it to bug 
>>> them...yet!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

[Lynne Fitz]

lights don't always use the standard M6 bolt.  Yes, my Luxos U mounted nicely 
on the front of my Nitto rack.  The light switch juust reached the 
handlebar.  Someone taller than me (most of the population) might have a bit of 
difficulty getting the light switch to make it to the handlebar.

I had wanted to bolt my Supernova Lefty directly to the rack, but it used a 
different bolt size as well.

But the wired taillight, meant to go on the seatstay (not mounting a light on 
the fenders; I have yet to trust traveling with the Honjos) - the light mount 
zipties to the seatstay (breaking a promise to my CUSTOM bike; no electrical 
tape, no zipties), and the light bolts to that.  Now if the light bolted on 
with the standard M6, I'd just bolt it directly to the frame, into the braze-on 
there just for that purpose.  But no, it is some stupid little weird sized 
bolt.  The small kind that can fall on the ground and vanish, and one doesn't 
have a ton of spares hanging around in the bike bits bin.  Granted, I won't be 
taking it off the bike except in extremely controlled conditions, but still.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for riding Sandals?

[Leslie]

One day, I was wearing my Tevas while out on a ride w/ my kids.  After a 
stop, about to start back up down the path:  we start to go, then my 
youngest stops short, so I stop too;  but somehow, I caught the toe of the 
sandal on the asphalt, and it flipped back, letting the top of my big toe 
get peeled off by the path...  I wrapped my toe up in a handkerchief, 
called the wife, and made it to the nearest parking lot for a pick-us-up, 
instead of trying to ride all the way back home.

I switched to Chacos WITH a toe loop, just to keep that from happening 
again





On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:08:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Next in the series "What do Rivendell riders..."...
>
> I know sandals are popular here for bike riding.
>
> So I was wondering what works well.
> Looking for somethingwith a hard enough sole so it doesn't flex when hard 
> pedaling and cannot feel pedal edges through sole.
> Nothing that flops off heel.
> Any suggestions?
>
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Brand V Bar Tube.

[Ryan]

I'm not much of a bag person, but I bought one a couple of years ago , and 
I agree that they're well-made and easy to use, once the zipper broke in a 
bit
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:11:43 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote: 
>
> Can't justify another one now, but to support your sale I'll say I have 
> one and love it.  I don't even use it all the time.  When I do use it 
> occasionally, however, it's just perfect.  Well made and easy on/off.

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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Mike Schiller]

I ride some pretty rough singletrack and dirt roads on Grand Bois Hetres 
and they work great.  The wider tires at lower pressures seem to be much 
less flat prone. I didn't have such good luck with the 32 mm Cypres tires.
And if you want to see Jan on some rough roads with Hetres, just have a 
peek at the latest issue of BQ.

So for me, I'll take an occasional flat over dead feeling tires any day of 
the week.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:27:07 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention 
> publicly).  Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel 
> with an eye towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area 
> hills.  They will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best 
> suit their riding predilections. 
>
> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the 
> Seattle area, so I don’t know what the road conditions are like.  If the 
> Bay Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis 
> and St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after 
> this winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have 
> both cut way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a 
> complaint-based rather than a proactive model (basically they have to get a 
> certain number of phone calls about a pothole or other road problem before 
> they go out to fix it).  I’d probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around 
> here nowadays.

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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Peter Morgano]

This conversation makes me think more and more of going to tubeless hetres
but I don't think the rims (synergies) are up to the task.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> I ride some pretty rough singletrack and dirt roads on Grand Bois Hetres
> and they work great.  The wider tires at lower pressures seem to be much
> less flat prone. I didn't have such good luck with the 32 mm Cypres tires.
> And if you want to see Jan on some rough roads with Hetres, just have a
> peek at the latest issue of BQ.
>
> So for me, I'll take an occasional flat over dead feeling tires any day of
> the week.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca.
>
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:27:07 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> Well, consider the rides they do (at least the ones they mention
>> publicly).  Jan does very long rides mostly on pavement and some gravel
>> with an eye towards speed.  Grant rides a lot of fire roads in the Bay Area
>> hills.  They will probably gravitate towards the tire choices that best
>> suit their riding predilections.
>>
>> I have not been in the Bay Area since 1981 and have never been to the
>> Seattle area, so I don't know what the road conditions are like.  If the
>> Bay Area roads are anything like the atrocious minefields that Minneapolis
>> and St. Paul have become over the past 10-15 years and especially after
>> this winter, stout tires are probably a good idea.  The Twin Cities have
>> both cut way back on road maintenance and repairs, going to a
>> complaint-based rather than a proactive model (basically they have to get a
>> certain number of phone calls about a pothole or other road problem before
>> they go out to fix it).  I'd probably shred a Grand Bois in one ride around
>> here nowadays.
>
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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[HunqRider]

I recently learned about the new Jan's new Compass tires, and I bought the 
700x38c Barlow Pass version, with the extra-light sidewalls.  Only had a 
chance to ride them once so far, but it felt like an improvement over my 
old 700x40c Schwalbe Marathon Duremes.  They felt like they would "spin-up" 
from a dead stop a lot faster, which makes sense since I think the weight 
savings is about 100g per tire; much less rotating mass.  At full speed 
they were fine, didn't get any flats, even when I rode right through a pile 
of broken glass shards (couldn't avoid it).  I ran them at 60 psi on my 
Velocity Synergy rims, and this lower PSI probably helped with avoiding 
punctures (I used to run the Duremes at 70-80 psi).  Gotta get more riding 
time with them, but so far I'm a fan.  The all-black look of the tires is 
sweet too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[RJM]

Yes, and also, Grant and the crew at riv seem to be more into bike touring, 
or at least loading the bike with heavy stuff if needed. I would imagine a 
bike set up for doing s24o's at Mt. Diablo will need different and sturdier 
tires than a bike set up for randonneuring. 
 
Just look at some pictures of the riv folk riding their bikes and compare 
them to Jan and his buddies ridingtwo different tasks and they require 
different tires. 
 

On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:36:06 AM UTC-5, AaronY wrote:

> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making his 
> decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely be 
> willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin 
> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread 
> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains. 
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:23 AM, tdusky  >wrote:
>
>> From my own experience, Riding on tires that Jan likes is pure joy, 
>> Riding on tires that Grant likes is work. I prefer joy over work. 
>> Tom Dusky
>> Huntington Woods, MI 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:59:31 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote: 
>>>
>>>  Interesting encapsulation of Grant's preference for beefier tires.  
>>> (vs the supple casing, light racy tires Jan espouses)  From the RBW website 
>>> description of a Conti tire:
>>>
>>> "...It has a good, stiff sidewall for reduced flex and fatigue, and for 
>>> more support should you ever have to ride it dead flat. Wire bead. Combo 
>>> tread. Mounts easily and as straight as an arrow, with no massaging out the 
>>> bumps..."
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Evan Baird]

There is a reason the Fatty Rumpkin forcefield tires are made as burly as 
they make them.



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[RBW] Re: Riv-esque Bike shops in Portland?

[HunqRider]

It makes me happy (and a little sad) to see folks recommending VeloCult.  I 
discovered this shop only a few months before they moved out of San Diego, 
and I liked them a lot. The selection of goods was very unique, nothing 
like other stores in SD.  Super friendly guys, especially Tom the mechanic.

Universal Cycles is also great, huge online selection.

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 56cm Simpleone

[Richard Rios]

I received a few questions inquiring if I would be willing to sell the bike 
in a slightly less accessorized version.  So to those that have asked the 
answer is yes.  Bike has been stripped down a bit and price dropped due to 
the diminished level of accoutrements.  Bike is also listed on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Simpleone-56cm-/271423970386?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item3f32211c52



On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:37:02 PM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>  
> I apologize for the repost as I am still trying to get the hang of 
> things.  In any event you can see all the details at the following link.  
> Any questions feel free to ask and I will do my best to respond promptly.  
> Thanks again. 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Simpleone-56cm-/271423970386?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item3f32211c52
>  
> http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4369484702.html
>  
> Sincerely,
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[ted]

way off topic but,
the SR71 was developed after the U2 and removed from service before it so 
yea the U2 is arguably superior to its shorter lived progeny.

On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> U2 superior to the 
> SR71? 
> Bah!
>
> Though sorry you missed our Dalles Mtn 60 last weekend as the subject of 
> those aircraft did come up. :)
>
> -Allan
>
> On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:49:30 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>  On 03/14/2014 10:36 AM, Aaron Young wrote:
>>  
>> I too prefer Joy over Work.  However, I think Grant is probably making 
>> his decision based on more than just the feel of the tire.  He would likely 
>> be willing to concede that a lighter tire with a supple(r) casing and thin 
>> tread might provide a superior ride, but the benefits of a thicker tread 
>> and stiffer sidewall outweigh those performance gains.
>>  
>>
>> Outweighs those performance gains for a specific type of riding.  It's 
>> another example of 'horses for courses.'  When this thread began, I was 
>> tempted to post a couple of photos illustrating & comparing the Grant vs 
>> Jan approaches:
>>
>> *Grant*
>>
>>
>> A-10
>>
>>
>> vs 
>>
>> *Jan*
>>
>>
>> U-2
>>
>> (Note, that both examples represent perhaps the best aircraft of each 
>> type ever developed...)
>>
>>  

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

[ted]

Jan writes "There is less torque on the mounting bolt, ...". How is that? 
Looks like the cg of the light is the same distance in front of the bolt 
either way, so the magnitude of the torque would be the same.

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:42:23 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
>
> 
> A hanging Edelux makes a lot of sense on a rack with a dedicated 
> attachment for the light. There is less torque on the mounting bolt, so 
> it's less likely to come loose due to vibrations. (A "standing" light 
> always wants to rotate downward.) The hanging Edelux also makes sense when 
> you mount your light under the handlebars – less obtrusive than on top of 
> the bars...
>
> Above is the hanging Edelux on my randonneur bike. I modified the 
> attachment so it is forked. This allows me to adjust the angle of the light 
> while riding (higher when out of town to see even when going into a dip in 
> the road, lower in town to avoid blinding oncoming traffic), without the 
> bolt loosening. Once the hanging Edelux II will become available, I'll 
> probably run the lighting wire through the tube that supports the light – 
> there is less risk of snagging it that way, and it doesn't look nice 
> exposed as it currently is.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> http://www.bikequarterly.com
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Bill Lindsay]

I want to play!



Grant?





Jan?


The rivbike.com page that will annoy the "supple-philes" is this one: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=90

The quote that will get you is "Forget thin sidewalls"


>>>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Employee Film?

[Addison Wilhite]

Thanks!


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and
Technology


*"Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success"*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 

Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> This should be the one you are thinking of:
>
> Rivendell People 
>
>
> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:14:14 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Months back there was a film that profiled many of the employees at Riv.
>>  Can anybody point me to the link?  I can't seem to find it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and 
>> Technology
>>
>>
>> *"Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success"*
>>
>> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>>
>> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>>
>> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian
>> Advisory 
>> Committee
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Overseas Trip - What do you want?

[Will]

Seems to me that if one is going to own, or build out a $3000 cycle, one is 
going to want a gen-hub and decent lights. I gotta believe 80% of what's 
built here includes lights now.

With that in mind, I'd like to see fork options, either wireless, or with 
wire runs built on. The practice of using zip ties is bush league for bikes 
at this level. It is time to offer wiring & lighting amenities, not as 
custom options, but as regular, everyday, options, just like one chooses 
shifters and chain rings. 

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:53:30 PM UTC-5, Larry H wrote:
>
> So what cool bike parts does everyone want Grant to bring back from 
> Japan/Taiwan/wherever else he was going?
>

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

[Jan Heine]

You are right. I am sorry I mis-spoke. What I meant was that if the light 
moves a bit, the torque increases on the standing light, whereas it 
decreases on the hanging light. So in one case, you have a light that is 
balanced on a ridge, in the other, it's in a valley, so to speak. The main 
advantage of the hanging light is its ease of mounting on racks, as the 
originally-discussed blug post pointed out...

Jan Heine
Editor
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On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:02:35 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> Jan writes "There is less torque on the mounting bolt, ...". How is that? 
> Looks like the cg of the light is the same distance in front of the bolt 
> either way, so the magnitude of the torque would be the same.
>
> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:42:23 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> A hanging Edelux makes a lot of sense on a rack with a dedicated 
>> attachment for the light. There is less torque on the mounting bolt, so 
>> it's less likely to come loose due to vibrations. (A "standing" light 
>> always wants to rotate downward.) The hanging Edelux also makes sense when 
>> you mount your light under the handlebars – less obtrusive than on top of 
>> the bars...
>>
>> Above is the hanging Edelux on my randonneur bike. I modified the 
>> attachment so it is forked. This allows me to adjust the angle of the light 
>> while riding (higher when out of town to see even when going into a dip in 
>> the road, lower in town to avoid blinding oncoming traffic), without the 
>> bolt loosening. Once the hanging Edelux II will become available, I'll 
>> probably run the lighting wire through the tube that supports the light – 
>> there is less risk of snagging it that way, and it doesn't look nice 
>> exposed as it currently is.
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Editor
>> Bicycle Quarterly
>> http://www.bikequarterly.com
>>
>> Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/14/2014 05:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I want to play!



Grant?



If not, then surely it must be one of the list members who were so 
wrapped up in the coffee grinder for use while camping discussion a 
couple of weeks ago.  This rig probably has one of those full-bore $3000 
espresso machines included.


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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Coconutbill]

>
> I'm glad there's so many tire choices in 650b... 
>
 
I had been riding B-lines but recently switched to an ultra-economical pair 
of TourRides... no flats in months! 
Granted, I think the TourRides may be less responsive than ultra-light 
supple tires, but  I see these as two distinctly different tires for 
distinct purposes. For the longest time my A.H.H. was my only bicycle, and 
vehicle. In my case, the harder Continental tires have been a godsend when 
carrying groceries and riding offroad.

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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Scott G.]

Moderation in all things,

Schwalbe Ultremo 28mm, not as fragile as a GB, but not a flying tank.

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[RBW] Grand Bois 38/Rambouillet?

[allenmichael]

Anyone tried putting these new tires on a Rambouillet?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Philip Williamson]

That's a beautiful and apt metaphor. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 53 Bleriot frameset!

[David Banzer]

I think with a brand new frame, I'd be itching to ride it. If it were my 
first crack at building up a bike, I'm sure it would take much longer to 
build up completely than having a shop build it. Also, all the hiccups that 
accompany a beginning mechanic would confound the time. I'd surely not want 
to have to make several adjustments after several test rides to get 
everything dialed in.
I agree with Joe on this one. If you're inclined to learn how to wrench, do 
it on a bike you don't mind having in the workstand more than you'd be 
wanting to ride it.
David
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[RBW] Tires make a difference?

[RonaTD]

I have used 3 different sets of tires on my Bleriot/Protovelo in the last few 
months:
Nokian A10
Riv Fatty Rumpkin (the original ones)
Pacenti Pari Moto

The difference in riding effort/speed is astonishing. I describe the difference 
between the Nokians and the Pari Motos as three gears (on a wide range 
cluster). I met up with pal Kurt for the last 10 miles of his epic January 
200km ride, and I exhausted myself trying to keep up with him. Two weeks 
earlier, on Pari Motos on a 200km brevet, I flew away from him on the first 
climb. 

The Fatty Rumpkins are in between, but far aback of the Pari Motos. I tried to 
mount the Fatty Rumpkins for commuting last week (surely winter must be over) 
and gave up after an hour of trying to get them to mount straight. The Pari 
Motos went back on. Event tires, I guess, but commuting is an event, too. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI, USA

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[RBW] Re: Grant's Overseas Trip - What do you want?

[Philip Williamson]

I'd guess closer to 8% than 80, but I agree. Being able to install a dynamo 
wheel as simply as any other wheel would be a great thing to just take for 
granted. 

Philip
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[RBW] Campy Only!: Pi Day Ride 3-14-14 - A New Campy Only Video

[Eric Norris]

Not my most exciting video ever, but it *was* filmed from my Blériot!

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2014/03/pi-day-ride-3-14-14-new-campy-only-video.html

--Eric N
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[RBW] Grant on tires

[Rod Holland]

In case no one has pointed it out, tire with a wire bead and robust sidewalls 
also make better hula hoops...

rod

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[RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Pi Day Ride 3-14-14 - A New Campy Only Video

[Michael]

>
> Nice riding!
>
Thanks for sharing.
How do you like the Hetres, now that you have ridden them a while? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Pi Day Ride 3-14-14 - A New Campy Only Video

[Eric Norris]

Really like the tires. They definitely roll fast--on the 300K last weekend, I 
was keeping up with or passing other riders with narrow-er 700C wheels on the 
downhills, despite running my tires at a tad over 50PSI.

Only one flat so far, with almost 1,000 miles on the bike.

My only complaint so far is that I wish I didn't have to buy $60 tires to make 
the 650B wheels work as well as they do. The less expensive Col de la Vies that 
I started with don't ride nearly as well.

I'm looking forward to road test results on the new Compass tires. PBP is less 
than a year and a half away, and it's time to start nailing down my equipment 
choices!

--Eric N


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> Nice riding!
> Thanks for sharing.
> How do you like the Hetres, now that you have ridden them a while? 
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Re: [RBW] Grant on tires

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Tubeless Hetres ride beautifully. I wouldn't try it on Synergy rims though. Try 
it with Stan's rims on a disc brake bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Grant on tires

[Matt Lynch]

I purchased a Sam Hillborne after an extended test ride at RBW.  I've put 
close to 7,000 miles on my bike and have yet to duplicate the ride I 
experienced on their test bike.  I've always had in the back of my mind the 
problem was that I bought a Taiwanese model whereas, unbeknownst to me, I 
test rode a Waterford built Sam.  But there's no way RBW would pull a bait 
and switch like that...and that's assuming there even is a difference.  So 
reading this thread I'm thinking it could be the tires.  I'm still trying 
to wear out my original Schwalbe Supremes so I don't have anything else to 
compare.  The demo bike I rode had those RBW tires with the checker board 
tread.  Could there really be that much difference?  And if so, are Jan's 
recommendations that much sweeter?

Don't get me wrong.  I've hardly ridden my other bikes at all since getting 
the Hillborne.  I am a happy camper.  But I also have to accept the fact 
that I'm am a person who lives in the camp of high value and durability.  
So when it comes right down to it, I'm just trying to figure out if I may 
just be my own worst enemy when it comes to tires.

Matt

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[RBW] FS: Bosco Bullmoose handlebars and other items

[David Brandt]

 Nitto Bosco Bullmoose Handlebars: includes Miesha's Cork grips, Shimano MTN 
brakes red garnet wrapped drops. I don's have the heart to take them apart 
because they are in great condition as is. $120 total + shipping

Nitto R26 rack $199 new, I cut the bottom hole off allowing it to get closer to 
my fender. $90 total + shipping 

Zimbale saddlebag, good condition, always taken care of and I added an ABS 
inner liner to it. $45 total + shipping

Nitto Mustache handlebars, only a couple hundred miles on them. $40 total + 
shipping

I prefer local San Francisco Bay Area transactions to avoid shipping costs and 
time.

All of the items other than the mustache handlebars are in the photograph. The 
photo was taken a couple of months ago, just prior to removing the items and 
setting the bike up a little differently.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WysAmLnA9aE/Urxr90mmCvI/RoE/is8OGjd-71U/s1600/photo+3.JPG

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for riding Sandals?

[BenG]

>
> Teva.  Bought at the August sidewalk sale in Petoskey, MI about 10 yrs 
> ago, for maybe $20.  They look just like the ones I've since seen in pics 
> on rivbike, with a blue pattern on the straps.  Sandal riding is relaxing 
> for me, and I'm easy on them.  Held up through 1 yr on gripsters, 2 or 
> 3 yrs before that on grip kings.  I can count on a couple slide-offs per 
> year, wherein I scrape a heel on a pedal surface, but I'll pay that price.
>

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[RBW] Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 on Atlantis (pics)

[Ty Graham]

I put the new Compass 700x38 EL on my Atlantis.  I short ride only, but I 
love them.

I had GB Cypres EL before, so I was pre-sold.  I will post an update as I 
get more miles on them.

About me: I am 6'3" 230lb.  Looking for a nice big tire.  Many miles on 
Jack Browns; I like 'em.  Some miles on 700x40 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme; 
never liked 'em - too 'dead'.

The Barlow Pass measure 37mm on my Velocity Dyad rims.

Pics 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/13233995@N08/sets/72157642025409385/

Thanks

Ty Graham
Seattle
2001 Atlantis
1969 Raleigh Professional Mark I

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[RBW] Larger Cheviots?

[overcoat man]

Hi everyone,

I enquired at Rivendell about the possibility of Cheviots in larger sizes 
than 60cm.  They don't have plans in that direction at the moment.  But I 
wonder, are there many of you would have need for/be interested in a bigger 
Cheviot?  If there was evidence of demand, maybe Riv would consider it.

If you're interested, please say so here, and the "Big Guys Like Mixtes 
Too" support group will be born!

(For info: I have a 96.5cm PBH, and while I could theoretically squeeze on 
to a 60cm frame (the biggest size), it would mean showing about 25cm of 
seat post, and it would probably require a Bosco if I wanted to get the 
bars up to a suitable level.  Keven kindly informs me that the Cheviot has 
a head tube 2 inches (5cm) longer (taller) than a 60/62 Betty, which helps 
a bit; but life would be simpler on a bigger frame (less post showing, 
choice of bars).

Happy riding.

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