[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

[hsmitham]

+1 on the Kermit chair. 

~Hugh

On Friday, July 18, 2014 2:22:10 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I have become a fan of bandanas! Good for the bike, indespensible for the 
> campsite. 
> I'm going to get a cheapish REI tent like Hugh's. And maybe a chair, like 
> the Kermit that Ryan was using. 
>
> No bike changes, but I might put a freewheel on one wheelset. Riding with 
> everyone made me realize that my fixed setup is pretty ideal for me, and 
> doesn't put me at a disadvantage that couldn't be overcome by losing weight 
> and riding more. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> As I scrolled through entmoot photos, I noticed folks eye-balling or 
>> riding bikes that belong to others.  I frequently peruse photos looking for 
>> ideas to enhance my own bicycle outing experiences.  Maybe as a result of 
>> seeing something up close, or chatting with someone, you plan to change 
>> something up or try something new.  So I wonder...if you were there, are 
>> there bike or camping gear refinements that you plan to make as a result of 
>> seeing something or hearing something at entmoot?
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts...
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cover of Bicycle Times Magazine

[Philip Williamson]

Digital information is like broadsheets or posters, more than like a library of 
knowledge. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks! I'm placing the order now. I hope you like them.

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Michael Hechmer]

Jim, Pat and I are still planning on traveling to Minn. in Sept. Camping 
sounds good, unless the weather turns very chilly.  Can you offer any 
update on the plans?

Michael

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:00:20 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Starting a new thread to discuss the Riv/country bike rally to be held in 
> the Twin Cities September 26-28, 2014.
>
> I envision everybody coming in to town on Friday the 26th for a 
> meet-and-greet at Hiawatha Cyclery, then spending the next two days riding 
> around the twin cities. Hiawatha Cyclery, which is in south Minneapolis 
> near the airport and light rail line, will be the center of the action. 
> That's the extent of the itinerary at this point.
>
> If you're coming from out of town, I'd be happy to receive your bike and 
> ship it back to you (I only use UPS). Depending on my level of involvement, 
> I may charge you for assembly/disassembly/packing labor, and UPS shipping 
> charges. No charge if you just use HC as a drop-off and pick-up point for 
> your bike, and you arrange your own shipping.
>
> You're on your own for lodging, but I'd be happy to offer opinions on 
> whether your lodging choice is sensible in terms of distance, bike 
> friendliness, etc. I am tentatively planning to offer camping in my back 
> yard. I hope other local Riv types will offer spare beds, couches, floors, 
> backyards, and other forms of hospitality to our visitors.
>
> I am happy to answer your questions. Please keep in mind that we have 8 
> months to nail down the details (and 8 months for plans to change). If 
> you're enthusiastic now in January, please try to pace yourself so you 
> still have some enthusiasm left in September. There's a significant risk of 
> over-committing to summer plans during this gloomy time of year. Past 
> experience suggests that if you and I spend several hours emailing back and 
> forth, answering every question you can think of in January, there's an 
> approximately 0% chance of you being able to make the trip in September. If 
> you think you're actually going to come, then please ask your questions. If 
> you're on the fence - that's cool, you have plenty of time to decide - 
> please keep the correspondence to a minimum until you're more committed to 
> coming.
>
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Re: [RBW] Are Zefal frame pumps really that hard to find?

[Ron Mc]

In many cases, Rivendell's accessory prices are Lower than you can find on 
ebay or e-discount shops.  

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:53:26 AM UTC-5, Curtis wrote:
>
> Well said Jim.  I like to support shops that carry what I value. 
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2014, James Warren  wrote:
>
>>
>> I know this doesn't answer the way you want, but a good deal of what I 
>> value in Riv is an alternative to hearing things from bike shop employees 
>> like, "no one carries that [thing you value] anymore":
>>
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pu2.htm
>>
>>
>> As good a time as any to give Riv your business in my opinion.
>>
>> -Jim W.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 10:31 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>> I've recently decided to buy another frame pump so I don't have to keep 
>> rotating it to the bike I'm riding at the time. Yes, poor me, having more 
>> bikes than frame pumps. However, a quick survey of nearby shops revealed 
>> that Zefal frame pumps are elusive/rare and full-size frame pumps in 
>> general aren't a common breed. Even the history-rich Cupertino bike shop 
>> only carries a Blackburn in carbon fiber as their sole full-sized frame 
>> pump (none in my size though). At least they're not like the young kid at a 
>> not-to-be-named bike shop off Castro, who tried to hard-sell/push a CO2 
>> pump on me even though I specifically said full-sized frame pump, because 
>> "no one carries that kind of pump anymore." I guess he was more right than 
>> I gave him credit for, unfortunately.
>>
>> Regardless, do you know of any shop in the Sunnyvale-Cupertino region 
>> that carries the Zefal HPX-3? My next step is to order online but I'll 
>> rather avoid that if possible. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Are Zefal frame pumps really that hard to find?

[Scott Henry]

I can't say that I've ever notice Riv being cheaper on anything.  I
like the company and all, but in about 3 minutes of google work I was able
to find that $36 pump ranging from $24 to $34 everywhere else.

If I'm looking for a hard to find something of the Riv esthetic, I will
head to rivbike.com, past that I haven't found them cheaper on anything
that I can purchase someplace else.I'm not worried about it, I know how
shops work, they have to price a percentage above what they are able to
purchase items for.   Riv can't really command the wholesale pricing that
other shops/distributors can.

As to the original question, yes full size frame pumps of any brand are
hard to find at any shop.   It's economics, in order to stock full size
frame pumps the shop will have to stock anywhere from 3 to 7 different
sizes.   With multiples in the more common sizes, a shop could easily stock
15 pumps to fit their regular customer base.   With a pocket pump, stock
one SKU, easy choice.   I have to agree though, I am not a fan of CO2.   I
have a few inflators, but just never liked them.   If you buy one though,
just head to WalMart and buy the CO2 cartridges in the BBgun aisle, its
much much cheaper.

Sorry,
Scott



On Saturday, July 19, 2014, Ron Mc  wrote:

> In many cases, Rivendell's accessory prices are Lower than you can find on
> ebay or e-discount shops.
>
> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:53:26 AM UTC-5, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Well said Jim.  I like to support shops that carry what I value.
>>
>> On Friday, July 18, 2014, James Warren  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I know this doesn't answer the way you want, but a good deal of what I
>>> value in Riv is an alternative to hearing things from bike shop employees
>>> like, "no one carries that [thing you value] anymore":
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pu2.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> As good a time as any to give Riv your business in my opinion.
>>>
>>> -Jim W.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 10:31 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>>
>>> I've recently decided to buy another frame pump so I don't have to keep
>>> rotating it to the bike I'm riding at the time. Yes, poor me, having more
>>> bikes than frame pumps. However, a quick survey of nearby shops revealed
>>> that Zefal frame pumps are elusive/rare and full-size frame pumps in
>>> general aren't a common breed. Even the history-rich Cupertino bike shop
>>> only carries a Blackburn in carbon fiber as their sole full-sized frame
>>> pump (none in my size though). At least they're not like the young kid at a
>>> not-to-be-named bike shop off Castro, who tried to hard-sell/push a CO2
>>> pump on me even though I specifically said full-sized frame pump, because
>>> "no one carries that kind of pump anymore." I guess he was more right than
>>> I gave him credit for, unfortunately.
>>>
>>> Regardless, do you know of any shop in the Sunnyvale-Cupertino region
>>> that carries the Zefal HPX-3? My next step is to order online but I'll
>>> rather avoid that if possible. Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Are Zefal frame pumps really that hard to find?

[Bill Lindsay]

It surprised me when I tried five different shops in the Bay Area and failed to 
find a single frame pump, and eventually bought one at riv HQ

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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Marc Irwin]

It's on my calendar as well, camping always sounds  good to me!

Marc

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[RBW] Are Zefal frame pumps really that hard to find?

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

If you're in the New Haven area, Devil's Gear stocks frame pumps.

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[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

[Manuel Acosta]

Solar charger and speaker system. Collins had both that worked out amazing. 

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Re: [RBW] Are Zefal frame pumps really that hard to find?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:51:22 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> As to the original question, yes full size frame pumps of any brand are 
> hard to find at any shop.   It's economics, in order to stock full size 
> frame pumps the shop will have to stock anywhere from 3 to 7 different 
> sizes.   With multiples in the more common sizes, a shop could easily stock 
> 15 pumps to fit their regular customer base.   With a pocket pump, stock 
> one SKU, easy choice.   I have to agree though, I am not a fan of CO2.   I 
> have a few inflators, but just never liked them.   If you buy one though, 
> just head to WalMart and buy the CO2 cartridges in the BBgun aisle, its 
> much much cheaper.
>

Your rationale makes sense, except there were typically entire shelves of 
mini pumps with more SKUs that one can shake a stick at.

I actually do have two or three CO2 inflators but I don't use them anymore 
because I tend to get punctures in series (this is why I typically carry a 
full patch kit in addition to tubes). Nevertheless, an additional tag-on 
for your excellent hint to get BB gun cartridges instead of bonafide 
"bicycle" cartridges is to ensure that you buy a CO2 inflator that supports 
*unthreaded* cartridges. A lot of these CO2 inflators, especially the 
really compact ones, require *threaded* cartridges that go for $3++/pcs.

I don't mind supporting Rivbike, reasonably higher price or otherwise, as I 
want to support their cycling philosophy. (not trying to convince anyone of 
 this) In fact, I have a short running wish list that I can execute on. I 
guess I just prefer to touch things before I buy, although that seems to be 
impossible in this case. They are local enough that I can take a day off 
from work and just bike-BART there, especially since I have a clothing item 
on my wish list that I rather try on before purchase.

Truthfully, I'm more surprised than anything that frame pumps are as rare 
as they are.

Thanks for the comments!

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Re: [RBW] Are Zefal frame pumps really that hard to find?

[cyclotourist]

+1 of everything you just wrote, Benz.

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:51:22 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>
>> As to the original question, yes full size frame pumps of any brand are
>> hard to find at any shop.   It's economics, in order to stock full size
>> frame pumps the shop will have to stock anywhere from 3 to 7 different
>> sizes.   With multiples in the more common sizes, a shop could easily stock
>> 15 pumps to fit their regular customer base.   With a pocket pump, stock
>> one SKU, easy choice.   I have to agree though, I am not a fan of CO2.   I
>> have a few inflators, but just never liked them.   If you buy one though,
>> just head to WalMart and buy the CO2 cartridges in the BBgun aisle, its
>> much much cheaper.
>>
>
> Your rationale makes sense, except there were typically entire shelves of
> mini pumps with more SKUs that one can shake a stick at.
>
> I actually do have two or three CO2 inflators but I don't use them anymore
> because I tend to get punctures in series (this is why I typically carry a
> full patch kit in addition to tubes). Nevertheless, an additional tag-on
> for your excellent hint to get BB gun cartridges instead of bonafide
> "bicycle" cartridges is to ensure that you buy a CO2 inflator that supports
> *unthreaded* cartridges. A lot of these CO2 inflators, especially the
> really compact ones, require *threaded* cartridges that go for $3++/pcs.
>
> I don't mind supporting Rivbike, reasonably higher price or otherwise, as
> I want to support their cycling philosophy. (not trying to convince anyone
> of  this) In fact, I have a short running wish list that I can execute on.
> I guess I just prefer to touch things before I buy, although that seems to
> be impossible in this case. They are local enough that I can take a day off
> from work and just bike-BART there, especially since I have a clothing item
> on my wish list that I rather try on before purchase.
>
> Truthfully, I'm more surprised than anything that frame pumps are as rare
> as they are.
>
> Thanks for the comments!
>
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> Sunnyvale, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Nitto Mini Front Rack, XD2 Single Speed Crankset

[David Banzer]

On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:17:38 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I wish people would post their interest to the list.  I understand that 
> the details of transactions should be kept in private, but if interest was 
> posted we'd have some sort of idea as to whether the thing was available or 
> not.
>
> What is the etiquette for FS/FT/WTB listings on the RBW-Owners list? I 
don't see any specific rules stating whether inquiries for FS/FT/WTB items 
should be sent offlist.
Over on the iBOB list this is a rule, which I prefer.
I opt not to get email updates on threads so my email isn't full of list 
emails. If someone posts to a thread, I won't see it until I check lists.
A private email to poster should get a response from the poster as to 
whether the item is available. 
I check my email far too frequently, but understand that many people don't 
and that an inquiry I send may take a bit to get a response.
That being said, sometimes PMs don't seem to work for some and PMs cannot 
be sent from most mobile devices thanks to Google Groups mobile interface.
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

[Philip Williamson]

That was fast! Thanks a ton to those who stepped up and ordered patches - we 
made the nut, and I placed the order!
No ETA, yet, but they're in process.

Sorry to be a cranky pest about the interest to action ratio, but apparently it 
worked... ;^) 

Philip
Entmoot patch http://etsy.me/1ycii2f 

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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Joe Bernard]

A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold together in 
order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A cassette, skewers and 
tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your bike and 
riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would not assume 
any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.

Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 8:46:36 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

> All my other bikes are solid axle. I don't have any extras. The f word is 
> always fun, that's the word you mean, right? 😉
> On Jul 18, 2014 11:26 PM, "Jim Bronson" > 
> wrote:
>
>> The f bombs are really not necessary.  They must have just forgotten it.  
>>
>> But do you not have an extra skewer sitting around?  I'd bring one over, 
>> if I lived near you.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Peter Morgano > > wrote:
>>
>>> Funny, not funny is waiting 2 fucking weeks for something and its 
>>> missing parts. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Eric Norris >> > wrote:
>>>
 Join the club. When I bought my Rolls Royce, I had to stock the 
 mini-fridge with Grey Poupon myself. Needless to say, I was as surprised 
 as 
 you are.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com 
 www.campyonly.com
 campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
  
 On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Peter Morgano >>> > wrote:

 So my nice new atlas wheel came today from its long journey, finally. 
 Get the cassette installed, go to offer it up. where is the QR? None in 
 the 
 box, none on the wheel. Was I over stepping in assuming that a Rich built 
 wheel for almost $300 would come with a skewer???

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[RBW] Edeluxe on sidepull bike mounting?

[lungimsam]

Still mulling over getting a hub generator and light.
Crazy expensive, though.
Seems like most quality bike things are getting crazy expensive these days.

*1. How to mount an edeluxe to a sidepull bike?*
No interest in a front rack at this point.
Just want to get a hub and a light.

*2. Also: the new "wireless" Son hub is only wireless hub to fork dropout 
attachment, right? You still have to run wires from fork dropout to light?*

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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Jim Bronson]

With many hubs, the skewers are included.  Don't know what kind of hub it
was, though.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold together
> in order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A cassette, skewers
> and tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your bike and
> riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would not assume
> any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.
>
> Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2014 8:46:36 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
>> All my other bikes are solid axle. I don't have any extras. The f word is
>> always fun, that's the word you mean, right? 😉
>> On Jul 18, 2014 11:26 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:
>>
>>>  The f bombs are really not necessary.  They must have just forgotten
>>> it.
>>>
>>> But do you not have an extra skewer sitting around?  I'd bring one over,
>>> if I lived near you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Peter Morgano 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  Funny, not funny is waiting 2 fucking weeks for something and its
 missing parts.


 On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Join the club. When I bought my Rolls Royce, I had to stock the
> mini-fridge with Grey Poupon myself. Needless to say, I was as surprised 
> as
> you are.
>
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>
> On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Peter Morgano 
> wrote:
>
> So my nice new atlas wheel came today from its long journey, finally.
> Get the cassette installed, go to offer it up. where is the QR? None in 
> the
> box, none on the wheel. Was I over stepping in assuming that a Rich built
> wheel for almost $300 would come with a skewer???
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[RBW] Edeluxe on sidepull bike mounting?

[justinaugust]

It's definitely crazy expensive if you're only looking at SON + Edluxe! 
Checkout the Handspun Pavement series and B&M Cyo series. 

And yes the SON Deluxe is the only "wireless" one but it does require a custom 
fork be built. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Edeluxe on sidepull bike mounting?

[Minh]

Just my 2 cents on the cost.  I started out with a budget light (not quite 
the level of a cyo), it was fine.  I now have an Edelux (v1)+SONdeluxe, 
does it perform 10x better then my last one not really.  But i don't regret 
getting it as they are really well made items.

If the cost is preventing you from getting a dyno setup, then i'd agree 
with Justin, go for the Cyo and one of the other dyno options (SV, Sanyo, 
Shimano), as functionally i don't feel you'd notice a difference.  If 
you're at peace with wanting to have nice things and spending the money 
accordingly, then go for the Edelux+SON as they are pretty nice.

If you're OK with the idea of buying from over-seas, there are some options 
where you can save some money, but that does limit your warranty options if 
something happens to them down the road and both of these have pretty long 
warranties.

And i don't look at it that quality bike things are getting crazy 
expensive, i look at it as the range of affordable stuff has gotten so good 
that it's hard to justify paying more--which goes back to me 'nice things' 
comment :)


On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:07:27 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Still mulling over getting a hub generator and light.
> Crazy expensive, though.
> Seems like most quality bike things are getting crazy expensive these days.
>
> *1. How to mount an edeluxe to a sidepull bike?*
> No interest in a front rack at this point.
> Just want to get a hub and a light.
>
> *2. Also: the new "wireless" Son hub is only wireless hub to fork dropout 
> attachment, right? You still have to run wires from fork dropout to light?*
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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Minh]

While i would overall agree that skewers should not be automatically 
assumed when a wheel is ordered, if they are not then that should be 
pointed out to avoid situations like this.  Now if it's just an honest 
mistake and they were left out of the box, well we're all human and 
sometimes things like that happen, get on the bike and get an ice-cream 
cone and be thankful you have such worries!


On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:26:45 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> With many hubs, the skewers are included.  Don't know what kind of hub it 
> was, though.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold together 
>> in order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A cassette, skewers 
>> and tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your bike and 
>> riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would not assume 
>> any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.
>>
>> Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Peter Morgano]

Can't ride my bike, no skewer. Working all day today so can't just go to
lbs to get one, they are closed tomorrow. I work 60 hours a week and really
only get to ride at night so will just wind up ordering one on ebay and not
be able to ride for 5 days. But I should get some ice cream right?
On Jul 19, 2014 4:10 PM, "Minh"  wrote:

>
> While i would overall agree that skewers should not be automatically
> assumed when a wheel is ordered, if they are not then that should be
> pointed out to avoid situations like this.  Now if it's just an honest
> mistake and they were left out of the box, well we're all human and
> sometimes things like that happen, get on the bike and get an ice-cream
> cone and be thankful you have such worries!
>
>
> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:26:45 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> With many hubs, the skewers are included.  Don't know what kind of hub it
>> was, though.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold together
>>> in order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A cassette, skewers
>>> and tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your bike and
>>> riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would not assume
>>> any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.
>>>
>>> Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Peter Morgano]

Wait a skewer is non essential? Cool will go for a ride now without one,
haha.
On Jul 19, 2014 4:17 PM, "Peter Morgano"  wrote:

> Can't ride my bike, no skewer. Working all day today so can't just go to
> lbs to get one, they are closed tomorrow. I work 60 hours a week and really
> only get to ride at night so will just wind up ordering one on ebay and not
> be able to ride for 5 days. But I should get some ice cream right?
> On Jul 19, 2014 4:10 PM, "Minh"  wrote:
>
>>
>> While i would overall agree that skewers should not be automatically
>> assumed when a wheel is ordered, if they are not then that should be
>> pointed out to avoid situations like this.  Now if it's just an honest
>> mistake and they were left out of the box, well we're all human and
>> sometimes things like that happen, get on the bike and get an ice-cream
>> cone and be thankful you have such worries!
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:26:45 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> With many hubs, the skewers are included.  Don't know what kind of hub
>>> it was, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold
 together in order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A cassette,
 skewers and tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your
 bike and riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would
 not assume any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.

 Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/19/2014 04:17 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:


Can't ride my bike, no skewer. Working all day today so can't just go 
to lbs to get one, they are closed tomorrow. I work 60 hours a week 
and really only get to ride at night so will just wind up ordering one 
on ebay and not be able to ride for 5 days. But I should get some ice 
cream right?




one more argument in favor of having multiple bikes

does your LBS not have skewers?


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[RBW] Re: QR question

[Garth]

>From Riv : http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/145.htm

We can order up just about any hub you need, but the stuff below is the 
> stuff we tend to use. Hubs don't come with skewers *unless they're 
> Shimano*. 


 

They do not even sell skewers either, like if you buy a Phil hub, which is 
odd. They apparently forgot it as Shimano hubs do come with skewers.


Crisis means opportunity :)For what .  . . well that is up to us ! 


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Re: [RBW] Re: QR question

[Peter Morgano]

shimano LX hub. As I mentioned Steve I am at work, and they are closed
tomorrow, but I also work then. I work 7 days a week.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Garth  wrote:

> From Riv : http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/145.htm
>
> We can order up just about any hub you need, but the stuff below is the
>> stuff we tend to use. Hubs don't come with skewers *unless they're
>> Shimano*.
>
>
>
>
> They do not even sell skewers either, like if you buy a Phil hub, which is
> odd. They apparently forgot it as Shimano hubs do come with skewers.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: QR question

[Peter Morgano]

Oh, and I have 5 bikes. two track, solid axle, 3 vintage, solid axle.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Morgano 
wrote:

> shimano LX hub. As I mentioned Steve I am at work, and they are closed
> tomorrow, but I also work then. I work 7 days a week.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>> From Riv : http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/145.htm
>>
>> We can order up just about any hub you need, but the stuff below is the
>>> stuff we tend to use. Hubs don't come with skewers *unless they're
>>> Shimano*.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They do not even sell skewers either, like if you buy a Phil hub, which
>> is odd. They apparently forgot it as Shimano hubs do come with skewers.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Edeluxe on sidepull bike mounting?

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

I currently have a Shimano dynohub and an Edelux 1.

My Edelux is rack mounted, but there are lots of brackets out there to allow 
fork mounting, fender mounting, etc.  If your fork has any tapped holes for a 
rack, that's a good place to start.

Now, the Edelux was a splurge.  I was rebuilding after a bad accident...but you 
can get excellent lights from $30 on up.  It's a very pretty thing, but not 
much more functional than the $30 plastic Avenir unit.

My Shimano dynohub has been solid for a decade.  However, it has become noisy 
when stopping (I suspect an unfortunately resonant fork on my VO; it never made 
a peep on my Kogswell) so I am presently looking at other options, including 
Dymotec and Velogical units and an older bottom-bracket mounted dyno.  (A 
friend of mine has a Magnic set on order as well.)  I will be posting a 
comparison of dyno types on my blog in late July or early August.

I do recommend the Shimano hub dyno very highly.  It's 95+% of SON for about 
1/3 the price.

As for the wireless bit, that just means you don't need to plug in the wires to 
the wheel.  SON uses spade lugs; Shimano uses a plastic plug.  The wireless 
system just means the connection is made through plates on the inner faces of 
the dropouts, so no need to have wires THERE.  You do still need to run a wire 
to the headlight of your choice.

Unless you frequently take off your front wheel, more trouble than it's worth, 
IMO.

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[RBW] Re: QR question

[RJM]

My Rich built Phil "Rivy" hubbed wheels included a set of shimano skewers. 
My bet is that they were left out of the box and forgotten. Mistakes 
happen, isn't the end of the world. Call Riv, I bet they will send one to 
you quick shipped because it's on them. 

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:24:19 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> From Riv : http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/145.htm
>
> We can order up just about any hub you need, but the stuff below is the 
>> stuff we tend to use. Hubs don't come with skewers *unless they're 
>> Shimano*. 
>
>
>  
>
> They do not even sell skewers either, like if you buy a Phil hub, which is 
> odd. They apparently forgot it as Shimano hubs do come with skewers.
>
>
> Crisis means opportunity :)For what .  . . well that is up to us ! 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: QR question

[Matthew J]

I have bought wheels from Rich, Peter White, an excellent local builder, 
and a couple resales over the years.  

If the hubs in question are not sold with skewers, the wheels do not come 
with skewers.  Based on my experience, it is industry standard (Shimano 
excepted) that skewers are an extra one needs to request.  

Riv, bless 'em, can be more of a hand holder outfit than some of the 
others.  Only problem is customers get so used to it if Riv does not hold 
tight enough things go wrong. 


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[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For bike camping, I suggest the Helinox: light, compact, comfy, and 
although a tad pricey; worth every penny.


On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:15:15 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>
> +1 on the Kermit chair. 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2014 2:22:10 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I have become a fan of bandanas! Good for the bike, indespensible for the 
>> campsite. 
>> I'm going to get a cheapish REI tent like Hugh's. And maybe a chair, like 
>> the Kermit that Ryan was using. 
>>
>> No bike changes, but I might put a freewheel on one wheelset. Riding with 
>> everyone made me realize that my fixed setup is pretty ideal for me, and 
>> doesn't put me at a disadvantage that couldn't be overcome by losing weight 
>> and riding more. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>>
>>> As I scrolled through entmoot photos, I noticed folks eye-balling or 
>>> riding bikes that belong to others.  I frequently peruse photos looking for 
>>> ideas to enhance my own bicycle outing experiences.  Maybe as a result of 
>>> seeing something up close, or chatting with someone, you plan to change 
>>> something up or try something new.  So I wonder...if you were there, are 
>>> there bike or camping gear refinements that you plan to make as a result of 
>>> seeing something or hearing something at entmoot?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts...
>>>
>>> Chris Johnson
>>> Sanger, Texas
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Jim Bronson]

Maybe you can buy one from a big-box sporting goods store that has Sunday
hours?  Not sure what they have where you live.  REI for sure would have
them, they have a fairly well stocked cycling department.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Peter Morgano 
wrote:

> Can't ride my bike, no skewer. Working all day today so can't just go to
> lbs to get one, they are closed tomorrow. I work 60 hours a week and really
> only get to ride at night so will just wind up ordering one on ebay and not
> be able to ride for 5 days. But I should get some ice cream right?
>  On Jul 19, 2014 4:10 PM, "Minh"  wrote:
>
>>
>> While i would overall agree that skewers should not be automatically
>> assumed when a wheel is ordered, if they are not then that should be
>> pointed out to avoid situations like this.  Now if it's just an honest
>> mistake and they were left out of the box, well we're all human and
>> sometimes things like that happen, get on the bike and get an ice-cream
>> cone and be thankful you have such worries!
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:26:45 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> With many hubs, the skewers are included.  Don't know what kind of hub
>>> it was, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold
 together in order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A cassette,
 skewers and tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your
 bike and riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would
 not assume any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.

 Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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[RBW] Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So my curiosity has been peaked after a brief discussion on the trail with a 
guy about his Paul's mini motos. He was very impressed with them even having 
previously been using the neo retros on the same bike, a Rock Lobster cross. 
The claim was FAR more power and better modulation with all other variables 
consistent. Levers were cane creek. For some reason I lumped the Minis in with 
the touring cantis in that they were for more clearance, but not much different 
as to power. After some quick reading on the magic computer box, it seems this 
guy is not alone in his assessment. 

I am a big fan of cantilever style brakes. So much so, I decided to take the 
center mount racers off my Hilsen to have canti studs added. Plan was to swap 
the Racers for some Neo Retros...but now I'm wondering about the Mini Motos. 

Has anyone tried the Minis, or even better, both Minis and Neos??

For the record, I know I like the Neos , and the direct mount racers on my 
Rambler are awesome. And YES, I realize a set of xt v-brakes would deliver, but 
I don't like the aesthetic and don't want to change levers. 

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[RBW] Quickbeam nano review

[JL]

It IS quick. 

Jason
sf,ca

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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Peter Morgano]

does Dicks have that kind of stuff? I could send my wife out to suburbia.
No REIs close to where I am. And Matt I don't appreciate your condescending
comment. I am not some child, I paid money for something, I expect to get
what I deserve, like I do at McDonalds, not such a hard standard to live up
to.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Maybe you can buy one from a big-box sporting goods store that has Sunday
> hours?  Not sure what they have where you live.  REI for sure would have
> them, they have a fairly well stocked cycling department.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Peter Morgano 
> wrote:
>
>> Can't ride my bike, no skewer. Working all day today so can't just go to
>> lbs to get one, they are closed tomorrow. I work 60 hours a week and really
>> only get to ride at night so will just wind up ordering one on ebay and not
>> be able to ride for 5 days. But I should get some ice cream right?
>>  On Jul 19, 2014 4:10 PM, "Minh"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> While i would overall agree that skewers should not be automatically
>>> assumed when a wheel is ordered, if they are not then that should be
>>> pointed out to avoid situations like this.  Now if it's just an honest
>>> mistake and they were left out of the box, well we're all human and
>>> sometimes things like that happen, get on the bike and get an ice-cream
>>> cone and be thankful you have such worries!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:26:45 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:

 With many hubs, the skewers are included.  Don't know what kind of hub
 it was, though.


 On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> A hub, rim and spokes are all separate parts which must be sold
> together in order for Rich to build a wheel and send it to you. A 
> cassette,
> skewers and tires/tubes are necessary to finish getting that wheel on your
> bike and riding, but are not an integral part of the wheel build. I would
> not assume any non-integral parts to be part of the deal.
>
> Joe "what's the deal" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam nano review

[Deacon Patrick]

Too hasty! Grin.

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[RBW] Re: Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[RJM]

I don't know about the minis because all I've used are the Paul Moto BMX 
brakes on my Samthey are powerful once set up correctly, which can 
actually take some fiddling. There must be some trick I wasn't getting when 
I was setting mine up because I fussed and fussed with them for over an 
hour. Finally got them set up, but I was a bit frustrated. The quick 
release on the Moto brakes is absolutely the best in the business. The Mini 
Motos use a slightly different release that looks just as good and easy. I 
think the finish of Paul brakes are top notch and they are really great 
brakes. I'm not currently using the Moto BMX brakes, but they are sitting 
in the parts bin looking for a bike to put them on, but wouldn't hesitate 
recommending them to others. 

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 7:20:10 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:
>
> So my curiosity has been peaked after a brief discussion on the trail with 
> a guy about his Paul's mini motos. He was very impressed with them even 
> having previously been using the neo retros on the same bike, a Rock 
> Lobster cross. The claim was FAR more power and better modulation with all 
> other variables consistent. Levers were cane creek. For some reason I 
> lumped the Minis in with the touring cantis in that they were for more 
> clearance, but not much different as to power. After some quick reading on 
> the magic computer box, it seems this guy is not alone in his assessment. 
>
> I am a big fan of cantilever style brakes. So much so, I decided to take 
> the center mount racers off my Hilsen to have canti studs added. Plan was 
> to swap the Racers for some Neo Retros...but now I'm wondering about the 
> Mini Motos. 
>
> Has anyone tried the Minis, or even better, both Minis and Neos??
>
> For the record, I know I like the Neos , and the direct mount racers on my 
> Rambler are awesome. And YES, I realize a set of xt v-brakes would deliver, 
> but I don't like the aesthetic and don't want to change levers. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[Dan McNamara]

I have used the Neos, the touring and the Mini-Motos. If you don't need 
clearance for tires larger than 42-45 then the mini-Motos are a great choice. 
They modulate and are really powerful. They will clear a fender and a somewhat 
classic look. For V-brakes, that is. 

Dan





> On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:20 PM, "'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch" 
>  wrote:
> 
> So my curiosity has been peaked after a brief discussion on the trail with a 
> guy about his Paul's mini motos. He was very impressed with them even having 
> previously been using the neo retros on the same bike, a Rock Lobster cross. 
> The claim was FAR more power and better modulation with all other variables 
> consistent. Levers were cane creek. For some reason I lumped the Minis in 
> with the touring cantis in that they were for more clearance, but not much 
> different as to power. After some quick reading on the magic computer box, it 
> seems this guy is not alone in his assessment. 
> 
> I am a big fan of cantilever style brakes. So much so, I decided to take the 
> center mount racers off my Hilsen to have canti studs added. Plan was to swap 
> the Racers for some Neo Retros...but now I'm wondering about the Mini Motos. 
> 
> Has anyone tried the Minis, or even better, both Minis and Neos??
> 
> For the record, I know I like the Neos , and the direct mount racers on my 
> Rambler are awesome. And YES, I realize a set of xt v-brakes would deliver, 
> but I don't like the aesthetic and don't want to change levers. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam nano review

[dougP]

Elaborate.

dougP

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:40:18 PM UTC-7, Jason Leach wrote:
>
> It IS quick. 
>
> Jason 
> sf,ca 
>

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[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

[dougP]

I looked up the Alite Mayfly (the one I think was there) & it's $100 at 
REI.  It did look comfy & easy to assemble & knock down, but seems a bit 
pricey to elevate my butt a few inches.  

dougP

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:49:27 PM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>
> 
> For bike camping, I suggest the Helinox: light, compact, comfy, and 
> although a tad pricey; worth every penny.
>
>
> On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:15:15 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> +1 on the Kermit chair. 
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Friday, July 18, 2014 2:22:10 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> I have become a fan of bandanas! Good for the bike, indespensible for 
>>> the campsite. 
>>> I'm going to get a cheapish REI tent like Hugh's. And maybe a chair, 
>>> like the Kermit that Ryan was using. 
>>>
>>> No bike changes, but I might put a freewheel on one wheelset. Riding 
>>> with everyone made me realize that my fixed setup is pretty ideal for me, 
>>> and doesn't put me at a disadvantage that couldn't be overcome by losing 
>>> weight and riding more. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

 As I scrolled through entmoot photos, I noticed folks eye-balling or 
 riding bikes that belong to others.  I frequently peruse photos looking 
 for 
 ideas to enhance my own bicycle outing experiences.  Maybe as a result of 
 seeing something up close, or chatting with someone, you plan to change 
 something up or try something new.  So I wonder...if you were there, are 
 there bike or camping gear refinements that you plan to make as a result 
 of 
 seeing something or hearing something at entmoot?

 Thanks for your thoughts...

 Chris Johnson
 Sanger, Texas

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[justinaugust]

I have the Mini-Motos on my SimpleOne. Nomad Resist 700x45 clears without room 
for fender I think. They are fantastic and have immense stopping power. They've 
convinced me I'll never use traditional cantis again. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[Jay Lonner]

I have Neo-Retros on my Hunq and I have to say I'm a little disappointed. 
They look great, but don't have as much stopping power as I'd like. (I've 
consulted Sheldon's articles on cantilever brake theory and practice, and 
have done my best to optimize the geometry.)

The Minis are an intriguing option, but I'm worried about fender clearance 
with 55mm tires. I'd also be using MTB-style levers.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:20:10 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> So my curiosity has been peaked after a brief discussion on the trail with 
> a guy about his Paul's mini motos. He was very impressed with them even 
> having previously been using the neo retros on the same bike, a Rock 
> Lobster cross. The claim was FAR more power and better modulation with all 
> other variables consistent. Levers were cane creek. For some reason I 
> lumped the Minis in with the touring cantis in that they were for more 
> clearance, but not much different as to power. After some quick reading on 
> the magic computer box, it seems this guy is not alone in his assessment. 
>
> I am a big fan of cantilever style brakes. So much so, I decided to take 
> the center mount racers off my Hilsen to have canti studs added. Plan was 
> to swap the Racers for some Neo Retros...but now I'm wondering about the 
> Mini Motos. 
>
> Has anyone tried the Minis, or even better, both Minis and Neos??
>
> For the record, I know I like the Neos , and the direct mount racers on my 
> Rambler are awesome. And YES, I realize a set of xt v-brakes would deliver, 
> but I don't like the aesthetic and don't want to change levers. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: QR question

[gep71154]

Hi Peter,
Sorry about that frustrating lack of quick-releases. I don't know the 
specifics, but if the hubs come with one, we certainly tend and intend to 
include it--although human flubup may interfere once in a while. If the 
hubs don't come with a quick-release (like Phil, Bullseye, and I'm guessing 
some other boutiquers), then we usually assume the rider has quick-releases 
from another set of wheels to be used for these.

Assumptions are never super safe to make, but after many hundreds of 
skewer-less wheelsets sent out, we can't help but think there q/rs are 
coming off a shelved pair of wheels.

Tell me or Rich or Dave the spacing of the rear (130 or 135) and we'll send 
you some skewers, regardless. You've been a good customer for a long time, 
and it's our pleasure to do this.

When we buy wheels or hubs from the mfrs...only about half the time does 
the q/r come with. Shimano and Campy, of course...but with the SILVERs, for 
instance (not to restart that topic), it's assumed that if we want skewers, 
we'll order them separately...which of course we do...because I'm widjoo: 
Seems only right that wheels come with them. 

When we buy Shimano skewers separately, they can cost us $12 to 
$20/pair...and upping the price of the wheels might make sense, but then 
some riders won't want to spare skewers-- or at least won't want to pay 
more to get 'em.

This is one of those things without a clear-cut perfect-for-all solution, 
but the main thing now is: Tell one of us (rich, dave, me) the rear 
spacing--rich might know but he's not here now)--and we'll get you some 
Tiffany/Hermes skewers, or something that'll work, anyway!
B,

Grant




On Friday, July 18, 2014 6:10:54 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> So my nice new atlas wheel came today from its long journey, finally. Get 
> the cassette installed, go to offer it up. where is the QR? None in the 
> box, none on the wheel. Was I over stepping in assuming that a Rich built 
> wheel for almost $300 would come with a skewer???
>

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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Christopher Murray]

As someone who lives in a fairly remote place and thus has to order most 
things, I can certainly relate to the frustration when something arrives 
broken, wrong, missing parts, etc. It is almost never a case of running out to 
a local store to make it right. It involves phone calls and return shipping and 
(WORST OF ALL) more waiting. Obviously the OP is in a situation where he can't 
just run out to get a QR so that magnifies the frustration of things not 
showing up as expected. Yes, I think the frustration was expressed a little 
more crudely than necessary, but I also think we should cut the guy some slack. 
He paid for something and waited and when it showed up it was not what he 
expected. These things do happen of course and you just need to deal with them 
without losing your cool. He wanted to ride and couldn't and it doesn't sound 
like he has a ton of free time to just ride whenever. 

Peter, I am sorry your wheel didn't arrive as expected. That sucks and must be 
super disappointing. Call Riv and see what they say. In my experience they will 
take care if it and be more sorry about it than you. They are great people and 
will make it right. Hang in there it will get resolved.

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[Mike Schiller]

Brad, I'm kinda in the same boat... I had brazed on Racers which are 
incredible rim brakes but I find them a touch klunky.   I have the 
neo-retros on two bikes, them seem to have better  modulation with the 
fatter spacers on the pads.
I'd like to try the Mini motos but I'm currently running 48 mm WTB 
Ninelines and I don't think they will fit.  I've seen them with BG Rock n' 
roads and they clear fine.

The best set up I've heard is Mini motos up front and Touring canti's out 
back for modulation.   

~mike
Carlsbad Ca


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Re: [RBW] QR question

[Peter Morgano]

Thanks for the kind words, I try to keep my cool at all times but was so
bummed to miss a beautiful weekend riding since its just been super hectic
at work lately and being out in the woods here the lack of a good LBS
sucks. My new local is closed at 2 on Saturday all day sunday Monday and
Tuesday, its a great little operation but finding the time in my schedule
to get out there is impossible. Thanks for the reply Grant, sorry if I was
inelegant, its unfortunately my nature, no amount of smacks to the back of
the head from my mom will change me it seems. I did tear apart the spare
parts bin looking for a skewer tonight and all I came up with was a couple
of janky looking steel front skewers and I need a rear 135mm.  I have some
time tomorrow and will call up RBW and work it out. (I never know whether
to directly respond to you-grant and RBW employees on the list or not so
will just call).  If they could send along a Hermes handbag as well that
would make my wife happy too, hahaha.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone who lives in a fairly remote place and thus has to order most
> things, I can certainly relate to the frustration when something arrives
> broken, wrong, missing parts, etc. It is almost never a case of running out
> to a local store to make it right. It involves phone calls and return
> shipping and (WORST OF ALL) more waiting. Obviously the OP is in a
> situation where he can't just run out to get a QR so that magnifies the
> frustration of things not showing up as expected. Yes, I think the
> frustration was expressed a little more crudely than necessary, but I also
> think we should cut the guy some slack. He paid for something and waited
> and when it showed up it was not what he expected. These things do happen
> of course and you just need to deal with them without losing your cool. He
> wanted to ride and couldn't and it doesn't sound like he has a ton of free
> time to just ride whenever.
>
> Peter, I am sorry your wheel didn't arrive as expected. That sucks and
> must be super disappointing. Call Riv and see what they say. In my
> experience they will take care if it and be more sorry about it than you.
> They are great people and will make it right. Hang in there it will get
> resolved.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[Peter Morgano]

Its a shame they wont clear 55s, I hear rave reviews about them but would
hate to lose my fenders.


On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Mike Schiller 
wrote:

> Brad, I'm kinda in the same boat... I had brazed on Racers which are
> incredible rim brakes but I find them a touch klunky.   I have the
> neo-retros on two bikes, them seem to have better  modulation with the
> fatter spacers on the pads.
> I'd like to try the Mini motos but I'm currently running 48 mm WTB
> Ninelines and I don't think they will fit.  I've seen them with BG Rock n'
> roads and they clear fine.
>
> The best set up I've heard is Mini motos up front and Touring canti's out
> back for modulation.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca
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[RBW] WTB - Sackville Mud flaps - Green

[Montclair BobbyB]

Riv has only 1 left in stock and I need a pair... Does anyone have a set of 
green Sackville mud flaps and looking to sell?  Thanks!

Peace,
Bobby

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul's brakes on your Riv. Experience between models?

[cyclotourist]

If you want to try minis with a lower buy-in, check out the TRP CX9. Very
nice brakes that will stop you when you want to be stopped!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321457184366

Cheers,
David

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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Peter Morgano 
wrote:

> Its a shame they wont clear 55s, I hear rave reviews about them but would
> hate to lose my fenders.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Mike Schiller  > wrote:
>
>> Brad, I'm kinda in the same boat... I had brazed on Racers which are
>> incredible rim brakes but I find them a touch klunky.   I have the
>> neo-retros on two bikes, them seem to have better  modulation with the
>> fatter spacers on the pads.
>> I'd like to try the Mini motos but I'm currently running 48 mm WTB
>> Ninelines and I don't think they will fit.  I've seen them with BG Rock n'
>> roads and they clear fine.
>>
>> The best set up I've heard is Mini motos up front and Touring canti's out
>> back for modulation.
>>
>> ~mike
>> Carlsbad Ca
>>
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[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

[DS]

Yes and Yes. will report back next Riv gathering ;) In the meantime I've 
got some shopping to do.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>
> As I scrolled through entmoot photos, I noticed folks eye-balling or 
> riding bikes that belong to others.  I frequently peruse photos looking for 
> ideas to enhance my own bicycle outing experiences.  Maybe as a result of 
> seeing something up close, or chatting with someone, you plan to change 
> something up or try something new.  So I wonder...if you were there, are 
> there bike or camping gear refinements that you plan to make as a result of 
> seeing something or hearing something at entmoot?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts...
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Riv headset spacer bell mount outside diameter in line with your spacers, or wider?

[lungimsam]

Looks like the outer spacer mount diameter bulges out wider than the 
regular spacer diameters on 1" steerers, like the pic on the rivsite (
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bellhed.htm)

So I was wondering, does it stick out on yours, or is it just that way in 
that pic they have on the site?

One of my favorite features of Riv bikes are the "shot-glasses" - the 
pretty stack of headset spacers. I don't want to ruin the line.

Maybe I am just cork grip sniffing about this, but it's one of the things I 
find beautiful on these bikes.

So just want to know how it really is so I can stop mulling and either get 
one, or wait until they start selling one with a uniform outer diameter for 
1" spacers.

Didn't they have one with an aluminum (silver colored) bell on it once? 
That would be a nice match for all the silver color on these bikes.


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Re: [RBW] Anyone in Chicago have an Albastache bar I can check out?

[Aaron Young]

Kevin,

I'm not in Chicago and don't have Albastache bars on my bikes, but maybe,
just maybe I can be forgiven for offering an opinion anyhow.  I have both
an Albatross'd and a Moustache'd bike (old style Moustache).  I like both
bars a lot.  However, I recently rode 3 or so different bikes with the
Albastaches and got a pretty good feel for it.  If my original Moustache
bars weren't so great as they are, then I would immediately opt for an
Albastache.  In fact, I will likely soon replace the Albatross for
Albastache bars.  I have the 'tross bars on a mountain-ish type bike and
don't really like the hand position for descents.  I much prefer the
position of the brakes and wrists on Moustache/Albastache/straight bars for
descending.

I say just go for it.  I think you will like them.

Best of luck,

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Kevin M  wrote:

> I'm thinking about switching cars on the A-train from the Albatross to a
> Albastache. Anyone in Chicago have a set installed I can can get my mitts
> on for a few minutes?
>
> Thanks!
> Kevin
> Humboldt Park Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Link To My Entmoot Pictures

[Aaron Young]

Hey Gang,

I finally got around to putting some of my Entmoot photos up on Flickr.
 Here's the link:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsjZKDqus

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who joined in and/or shared their ride reports of
> the China Camp Entmoot and the eMoots all around the country (world?)! What
> a great way to participate from afar for those of us who could not, for
> whatever reason, be there in person. An annual Entmoot and eMoot sounds
> fantastic!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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