Re: [RBW] Re: Mini-Grant-Sandwiches

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Anne -- there has been some kind of miscommunication if you believe I 
never feel like eating. I would describe it thusly:

-- I eat when I'm hungry. That simply doesn't happen as often since I've 
become a fat burner rather than sugar burner.
-- Food is real, whole, and fresh prepared (tinned fish being the exception 
to fresh), and tastes amazing. I didn't realize how manipulative of our 
tastebuds and brains processed foods intentionally are: they literally make 
us dumb when it comes to flavors and what is normal.
-- If you think it is normal to "have" to eat every 2-4 hours, that is a 
sure sign you are in near constant insulin cycle, and thus always hungry 
and always storing fat rather than burning it.
-- Fat is satiating. A meal with fat fills me, and I know when I'm full and 
I stop. My main meal of the day? A huge plate of salad, a small portion of 
meat and cooked green veggies with amazing, fatty sauces, possibly a cream 
with vanilla for desert. Breakfast: bone broth and tea or coffee with 
cream; Dinner: an egg with cheese. When bikepacking, I cut down to one meal 
a day.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, November 21, 2014 11:38:19 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm trying to understand why never feeling like I wanted to eat would 
> be a state I'd desire. It sounds awful to me. 
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> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
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[RBW] Re: Mini-Grant-Sandwiches

[Deacon Patrick]

Evan,

The quality of calories consumed is dramatically higher, and a person's 
body is perfectly capable of living off fat stores, even with strenuous 
activity, for days at a time. But the reality is that we still need x 
calories per day to live. I just get them in a dense form (fat has twice 
the calories per gram as protein or carb) and I have a MUCH bigger fuel 
tank so don't need to fill up as often. The fat fuel tank is days, but our 
bodies can only carry enough glucose for a few hours of heavy activity if 
we are sugar burning.

That said, I find eating low carb means I eat fewer calories per day. I now 
eat the least amount of food of anyone in our house and am the biggest. My 
wife (who is nursing) and our three eldest (down to five years old) eat 
more than I do. That is a very good thing. So if you are trying to solve 
world hunger, on average, I suspect people would be much better at self 
regulating on a low carb diet.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, November 21, 2014 5:49:37 PM UTC-7, Evan wrote:
>
> Bill Lindsay:
>
> Wow. Now that both you and the Deacon are eating about one meal per 
> day--and feeling good--it makes me want to try it. Heck, I just ate an 
> early (and, um, aromatic) dinner of kale and canned pink salmon, all 
> stirred up in a cast-iron skillet. My wife and daughter are out right now, 
> so that was my chance to smell up the kitchen.
>
> But on a more serious note: If millions of people could get by on just one 
> meal a day, their food expenses could drop somewhat, right? And if per 
> capita food consumption drops, then there will be more food to go around?
>
> Evan E.
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Eric Daume]

That latest post makes it sound like Joe and Clem are two different bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Matthew J]

> That latest post makes it sound like Joe and Clem are two different bikes.

That has always been my understanding and appears to be the clear (well, 
clear for GP's writing anyway) message from Riv.  Not at all sure why so 
many here assumed they were the same.


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Re: [RBW] Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Matthew J]

So the Clem was the budget Appaloosa but is now the only Appaloosa if I am 
getting this right.

GP's latest says no - two different bikes.  May look somewhat the same - 
but then so did the Hunq and Bomba



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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[James Warren]

It wasn't an assumption. For months, the word had been that Sam Hillborne would 
be benched in order to enable the company to focus on bringing out the Clem 
Smith Jr. Then this second-to-most-recent Blug post was put out on November 19:

"Some of you know already. Our most popular bike of all time [referring to the 
Sam Hillborne], a bike that I think is perfect in everyway, is going to get 
benched for a year or so to make room for the Joe Appaloosa, a name that was 
originally pegged for a super long bike, but now we’re putting that name on 
this other model."

That's all the November 19 post said about it. Given that people had been 
hearing for months that the Sam's benching was to make room for the Clem, it's 
reasonable for the quote above to cause the speculation (about a possible Clem 
name shift) and confusion that has been talked about on the forum over the last 
few days. If there was some older Blug post that I forget that could make it 
more clear what the November 19 quote is referring to with the phrase "this 
other model", then perhaps all could be made clear. But it's reasonable for 
people to be confused by the two most recent Blug entries.

I'm still confused. If Joe Appaloosa is neither the Clem nor the super long 
bike, then what is being referred to with the phrase "this other model"?

-Jim W.


On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:49 AM, Matthew J wrote:

> > That latest post makes it sound like Joe and Clem are two different bikes.
> 
> That has always been my understanding and appears to be the clear (well, 
> clear for GP's writing anyway) message from Riv.  Not at all sure why so many 
> here assumed they were the same.
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Re: [RBW] Re: struggling with my B-17's

[Tony DeFilippo]

Admittedly I'm a big guy, In riding clothes I'm right at 250lbs.  I rode 
the SA Titanico X (cromo rails) for about 3 weeks including a century 
ride... very comfy but not only did the leather sag but I bent the rails. 
 And not just a little bit...  I wasn't the original purchaser so I 
couldn't really pursue their customer service so I can't comment there. 
 Very disappointing as I liked the massive adjustment made possible by the 
long rails (also probably why even the 'Titanico X' version was unable to 
hold me up!

I've been pretty comfy on Brooks Flyer's and my B67 and I just mounted a 
Rivet Pearl that I'm excited about.  The Rivet Pearl is impressive in the 
hand, feels very solid and well made.  Can't wait to get it out for a ride.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Deacon Patrick]

*For all the sultry answers to what name belongs to which frame begat by 
whom, tune in next time to the "Frames of the Restless!"*
Coming to you Fall 2015ish or when all the bits come together!

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[RBW] Re: Consider a mini-tour

[Bruce Smitham]

Doug and Hugh, I totally agree. Diamonds in your own back yard. The S24O really 
works for me with a family and work. Less planning, more riding.

I'm in San Diego and if I take my coastal bike ride I often see the touring 
cyclists who are ending their big journey. I just met a couple on Thursday who 
came down from Vancouver on some basic bikes. They learned a lot along the way 
and I was able to show them the way down south and provide a few tips. 

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[RBW] Recommend decaler for my Bleriot please.

[lungimsam]

For a 1" NITTO pearl stem. It has the type of bolt that has the wedge in 
the back instead of a nut. Like the wedge on the Technomic Deluxe.

I know about the Grand Bois/NITTO-for-Pearl-stem decaler, the Berthoud 
decaler, the VO headset and integral decaler and their retired stem bolt 
decaler, and the NITTO ZAO decaler.

I don't know if there are other options out there. Thanks for any info.

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[RBW] Re: Consider a mini-tour

[Deacon Patrick]

Brilliantly said, Doug! Nearly all my bikepacking is 3-4 days, some longer, 
and one I managed nine days. Of course, given my wimpy brain, my chances of 
lasting longer than that are close to zero -- so I plan what is most likely 
to work. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: struggling with my B-17's

[dan gee]

I also tried lacing a SA once it stretched out to the point of discomfort and 
didn't have much success with it - getting the laces tight enough to make it 
feel supportive without making the edges of the cutout tip point above 
horizontal couldn't be done, so it was uncomfortable until the laces loosened, 
then it was uncomfortable from sagginess. It was a nice saddle until it 
stretched out to the point of no return -- at which point, not so nice. I will 
take rock hard over floppy any day of the week, but I'm happiest with my 2nd 
hand, worn out laced and butchered B-17 which is about as invisible as the SA 
was, but has been going strong through 5 years of year-round abuse. 

Dan in DC

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[RBW] Re: struggling with my B-17's

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Recently the emagazine, Roadbikerider.com, had a very favorable review of 
the Selle Anatomica. I can't share it with you as it is now only available 
to premiere (paying) members. I believe it was Fred Matheny who wrote it. 

On Monday, November 17, 2014 8:45:09 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
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> I have been having the usual saddle problems with my B-17's. After 
> longterm breakin, the hump makes long rides impossible for me.
> I finally found a solution, the Selle Anatomica. It just works for me. At 
> 2 weeks from 63yo, I just can't stand any saddle discomfort anymore. The 
> Anatomica has solved the problem. I sold all my Brooks and will never look 
> back.
> Don Compton
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[RBW] FS/WTT: 58cm SimpleOne

[justinaugust]

$675?

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Re: [RBW] struggling with my B-17's

[Tim McNamara]

The hump is why Jobst Brandt famously referred to leather saddles as “ass 
hatchets.”  I got my first Brooks Cambium from Riv this fall and have been very 
pleased with it.  The most comfortable saddle I have is my Brooks Pro which is 
nearly 40 years old (and like all leather saddles will eventually fail).  The 
Cambium is so very close to that in comfort and will not be affected by water 
like leather.  I predict buying at least one more to put on my commuter bike in 
place of the leather saddle that’s on there now.



> On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:48 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Recently the emagazine, Roadbikerider.com, had a very favorable review of the 
> Selle Anatomica. I can't share it with you as it is now only available to 
> premiere (paying) members. I believe it was Fred Matheny who wrote it. 
> 
> On Monday, November 17, 2014 8:45:09 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
> I have been having the usual saddle problems with my B-17's. After longterm 
> breakin, the hump makes long rides impossible for me.
> I finally found a solution, the Selle Anatomica. It just works for me. At 2 
> weeks from 63yo, I just can't stand any saddle discomfort anymore. The 
> Anatomica has solved the problem. I sold all my Brooks and will never look 
> back.

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[RBW] Re: Andy and family ride.

[Zack]

^which are important for any ride, even without kiddos.

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[RBW] Re: Recommend decaler for my Bleriot please.

[Ron Mc]

I think I've replied to every one of these threads, and don't have a new 
different decaleur to disclose, but



IMO, the Bertaud when chosen the correct length, works great, and with bag 
dismounted is the cleanest and least obtrusive design.  






On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:07:25 AM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>
> For a 1" NITTO pearl stem. It has the type of bolt that has the wedge in 
> the back instead of a nut. Like the wedge on the Technomic Deluxe.
>
> I know about the Grand Bois/NITTO-for-Pearl-stem decaler, the Berthoud 
> decaler, the VO headset and integral decaler and their retired stem bolt 
> decaler, and the NITTO ZAO decaler.
>
> I don't know if there are other options out there. Thanks for any info.
>

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[RBW] NYC ride report

[Kainalu]

Nice thing about the cold and wind is the fair weather folk stick to the 
undergrounds. A great night for bringing some large drawings home from 
Westchester County. Good thing those 16" kenda hookworm trailer tires are 
so lacking of supplety, they stayed on the ground like bricks.  Anyone out 
there in the cold have a good line on some really warm 2 finger lobster 
mitts? 

putting the finishing touches on the Quickbeam ice bike...
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Goshen Peter]

Ok, so in my dork mind they will be "Gandalf the Grey" and "Gandalf the
White",  a good bike and a more refined version of bike.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Matthew J  wrote:

> So the Clem was the budget Appaloosa but is now the only Appaloosa if I am
> getting this right.
>
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> but then so did the Hunq and Bomba
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mini-Grant-Sandwiches

[Bill Lindsay]

Anne

Maybe I didn't communicate well.  Maybe when I said "I'm not hungry", you 
thought that the only way a person could feel that way is to feel stuffed 
to the gills and unable to eat another bite, like that wafer thin mint guy 
in Meaning of Life.  If I felt stuffed to the gills all the time and 
incapable of eating anything, that would be awful.  I still love food and 
appetizing food is appetizing.  I absolutely look forward to eating things 
that are delicious.  Enjoying food is a true pleasure that I will always 
savor.  

They just opened a FarmBurger in Berkeley.  In fact it was opening night 
last night.  I looked forward to it all day.  Lots of fun grass fed choices 
and lots of really cool build-your-burger-options.  My family got there 
early and got in line, and so I had to tell them my order ahead of time, so 
I couldn't get creative and ordered a burger combo off the menu.  I savored 
it immensely.  I just removed the bun and set it aside and ate a the 
delicious pile of pulled pork, gouda and mushrooms with a generous squirt 
of seedy brown mustard.  Meanwhile I was planning in my head what I would 
be ordering next time.  

Eating food for fun and enjoyment is more fulfilling to me than eating food 
out of desperation.  

On Friday, November 21, 2014 10:38:19 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm trying to understand why never feeling like I wanted to eat would 
> be a state I'd desire. It sounds awful to me. 
>
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>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
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[RBW] MUSA Knickers SOLD

[Eric Norris]

On their way to a new home.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Grant Petersen]

The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on 
LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in 
boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer 
chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we 
got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for 
other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general.

In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes 
because the smaller than 29er wheel "allows shorter chainstays." Missing 
the point.

When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be 
called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and 
I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But 
Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the 
Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems 
stretched out, so fit the bike.

Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell 
a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and 
generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 
'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa 
headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and 
a newfound fondness for long chainstays.

Then somebody here broght up the idea of a "canti-Sam," kind of like the 
"canti-Romulus" man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but 
cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted 
that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and 
nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so 
what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB 
canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was 
exactly a romulus with cantilevers.)

We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the  top of 
the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the 
Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head 
badge (we have 120 of them, or something.)

But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving 
production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily 
kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then 
also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't 
afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. 

The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. 
That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the 
bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's 
not.

The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for 
another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get 
too impatient.

On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not 
> only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You 
> can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.  
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm
>

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Re: [RBW] NYC ride report

[cyclotourist]

Love the double TT citified Sam H!

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Kainalu  wrote:

>
> 
> Nice thing about the cold and wind is the fair weather folk stick to the
> undergrounds. A great night for bringing some large drawings home from
> Westchester County. Good thing those 16" kenda hookworm trailer tires are
> so lacking of supplety, they stayed on the ground like bricks.  Anyone out
> there in the cold have a good line on some really warm 2 finger lobster
> mitts?
>
> putting the finishing touches on the Quickbeam ice bike...
> -Kai
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Bill Lindsay]

I approve of the fork crown.  Enthusiastically


On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-8, Grant Petersen wrote:
>
> The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on 
> LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in 
> boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer 
> chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we 
> got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for 
> other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general.
>
> In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn 
> bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel "allows shorter chainstays." 
> Missing the point.
>
> When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be 
> called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and 
> I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But 
> Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the 
> Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems 
> stretched out, so fit the bike.
>
> Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell 
> a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and 
> generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 
> 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa 
> headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and 
> a newfound fondness for long chainstays.
>
> Then somebody here broght up the idea of a "canti-Sam," kind of like the 
> "canti-Romulus" man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but 
> cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted 
> that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and 
> nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so 
> what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB 
> canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was 
> exactly a romulus with cantilevers.)
>
> We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the  top 
> of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the 
> Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head 
> badge (we have 120 of them, or something.)
>
> But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving 
> production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily 
> kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then 
> also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't 
> afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. 
>
> The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. 
> That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the 
> bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's 
> not.
>
> The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for 
> another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get 
> too impatient.
>
> On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not 
>> only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You 
>> can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.  
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NYC ride report

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome, Kai! RE lobster mitts: I use boiled wool mittens and nylon over 
mitts (if needed) for anything colder than 20˚F. I haven't had problems, 
but then there is usually enough snow around at those temperatures that I'm 
not having to ride the brakes either.
http://www.sweatersintl.com (they have amazing boiled wool sweaters, hats, 
and socks too!).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Oregon Outback and water

[ted]

I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it 
also sounds very daunting.
For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/:
 ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. 
...

Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a 
day and a half.

In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next 
season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry 
and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I 
would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk 
jug on either side?

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[RBW] Ban Homer ills

[lungimsam]

Too bad I can't get a postcard to the Crick by the 29th!!!

This is the best one. Someone use it quick!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Andy and family ride.

[Chris Chen]

Be mindful of the wind on that last one...

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't mean to imply that kids are required to come on this. Would love
> to hang with kid-free folks as well. Just ask you to be patient for rock
> throwing, stick whittling, and spitting off the bridge type breaks.
>
>
> On Friday, November 21, 2014 1:10:08 PM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Looking forward to this. Would be awesome if there were other kiddos
>> along. My spawn are 6 & 7, but their energy goes to 11. We'll be on a big
>> dummy.
>> --Smitty
>>
>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:36:38 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> Good buddy Andy and family(kiddos and wifey) are down for thanksgiving
>>> week. Doing a family related ride on Sunday. Meeting at the ferry building,
>>> 10am. Pretty much sightseeing and stopping for the kiddos.
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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Deacon Patrick]

I carry three 28 oz bottles in my Hunqapillars bottle cages, and one empty 
100oz. water bladder which I've cut the outbound hose very short on. I've 
done sections of various trails that have a day or two between water, and 
am very thankful I don't go through very much compared with most folks. 
What is really challenging is when a water spot your were counting on in 
dry for whatever reason (despite checking as much as possible online and 
using guides). That makes for a long 15 miles slog up and over the next 
pass.

The most challenging section I've done was a section on the Great Divide 
MTB trail. I misread the map (and was using a very poor one without too 
lines at that) and thought I followed a stream up a valley. Instead I 
climbed a ridge that dropped to a stream way below, with no access. That 
led to an entire area with plenty of water, but none of it potable because 
of natural heavy metal deposits. I did get water after riding many steep 
miles and hours dry, though I don't remember exactly how (because I met 
someone who gave me water, I believe), then ran out again the next day 
until I was out of the non-potable area. A solution presents itself and is 
part of the adventure. Plan ahead as much as you reasonably can, then go 
anyway! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:55:17 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it 
> also sounds very daunting.
> For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/:
>  ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. 
> ...
>
> Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a 
> day and a half.
>
> In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next 
> season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry 
> and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I 
> would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk 
> jug on either side?
>
>

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RE: [RBW] FS/WTT: 58cm SimpleOne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

WOW.  SO's are great bikes. 

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Subject: [RBW] FS/WTT: 58cm SimpleOne

$675?

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Re: [RBW] FS/WTT: 58cm SimpleOne

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great color to!  If I hadn't just picked up Tom's Bomba I'd be right 
tempted... It would look great under someone's Christmas Tree!!! :)

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Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water

[Anne Paulson]

Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff
than Jan. I'll have

tent
sleeping bag
pad
wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding
wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold
off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get
immediately chilled)
second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two
days in a row, but that does not work for me at all)
wool hat
puffy jacket
rain clothes
little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork
food
Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders
100 oz hydration pack
couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section
water filter
food
tools, spare tubes
soap
first aid kit
bandannas, 1001 uses
meds & toiletries
probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun
probably some Crocs

The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might
also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to
have to camp dry one night.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted  wrote:
> I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it
> also sounds very daunting.
> For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/:
>  ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water.
> ...
>
> Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a
> day and a half.
>
> In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next
> season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry
> and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I
> would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk
> jug on either side?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Andy and family ride.

[Deacon Patrick]

Updrafts on cliffs can be a real boomerang experience for all types of 
out-fluid activities!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS: Phil Wood Rivy Rear Wheel, Tubus Cosmo Rear Rack, Shimano XT Rear Derailleur, Sugino XD2 Triple Cranks

[Irving (boyzonthehoods.com)]

1. $200 - Phil Wood Rear Wheel 36h Rivy Freewheel Hub 
 to Mavic A719, respaced to 130mm 
and laced up by Rich Lesnik
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/1521493/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/15648974838/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/15648974478/

2. $80 - Tubus Cosmo Stainless Steel Rear Rack 
,
 
missing one cap thingy (see photos)
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/15834399215/
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/15832527951/

3. $40 - Shimano XT M772 9 Speed Long Cage RD Top Normal 

- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/15649259887/

4. $80 - Sugino XD2 Triple Cranks , 
170mm Length, 46/36/24t chainrings with less than 500 miles on them
- https://www.flickr.com/photos/modernfuturist/15665491538/


Pickup in the Bay Area (San Francisco) preferred, but will split shipping 
with buyers. Please e-mail me off list with your preference and a shipping 
zip code for a quote.

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[RBW] RE: FS: Saddles, seatposts and tires

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Hi, folks:

Here’s what’s sold:
Duremes
Col de la Vies
Eroicas
Parigi-Roubaixs
Little Big Bens
Jack Browns
Paul seatpost
Thomson seatpost
Blue B-17
Black Selle An-Atomica
Avocet Touring II

Here’s what’s left, with new prices.  Let me know if you’d like pics of 
anything; take an additional $5 off for each item >1 in same package.


Brooks Honey B-17 Special, copper hammered rivets, silver rails, used but 
excellent condition, $90 shipped.



Brooks Honey B-17 Special, copper hammered rivets, copper rails, NOS (no box), 
$110 shipped.



Brooks Honey B-17 Special, copper hammered rivets, black rails, mounted and 
ridden once, looks new, $105 shipped.



Brooks Champion Flyer Select, copper hammered rivets, black rails and springs, 
NIB, $140 shipped.



Brooks Pre-Aged B-67 Special, black rails and springs, NOS (no box), $85 
shipped.



Selle An-Atomica white, copper rivets, black rails, NOS, no box, $90 shipped.


Salsa Shaft seatpost, black, 27.2 mm, NIP, $30 shipped.


Pair, 700C x 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard, black with reflective strip, 
slightly used, look almost new, $35 shipped.



Pair, 650B x 44mm Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard, black with reflective strip, 
NIB, $45 shipped.


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] FS: Saddles, seatposts and tires

Folks:

Trying hard to avoid selling my Atlantis, so I’m digging deep into the parts 
bin for stuff I’m not going to use anytime soon.  Here’s the saddle, seatpost 
and tires installment; I tried to price these to move, but if you feel the 
price is too high, make an offer.  Please reply off-list.

SADDLES:


Brooks Blue B-17, silver rivets, black rails, NIB, $100 shipped.



Brooks Honey B-17 Special, copper hammered rivets, silver rails, used but 
excellent condition, $100 shipped.



Brooks Honey B-17 Special, copper hammered rivets, copper rails, NOS (no box), 
$125 shipped.



Brooks Honey B-17 Special, copper hammered rivets, black rails, mounted and 
ridden once, looks new, $115 shipped.



Brooks Champion Flyer Select, copper hammered rivets, black rails and springs, 
NIB, $160 shipped.



Brooks Pre-Aged B-67 Special, black rails and springs, NOS (no box), $100 
shipped.



Selle An-Atomica white, copper rivets, black rails, NOS, no box, $110 shipped.



Selle An-Atomica black, copper rivets, black rails, NOS, no box, $110 shipped.



Avocet Touring II, black silver rails, some scratching off of the finish at one 
of the back corners but fully functional, some folks LOVE these saddles, $25 
shipped.



SEATPOSTS:



Thompson Elite seatpost, Silver, 27.2 mm, NIB, $60 shipped.



Paul Tall and Handsome seatpost, 27.2 mm, silver high polish, NIB, $70 shipped.



Salsa Shaft seatpost, black, 27.2 mm, NIP, $35 shipped.



TIRES (all listed prices for the pair):



Pair, 700C  x 42mm Schwalbe Marathon Duremes, black with reflective strip, very 
high end touring tire, NIB, $85 shipped.



Pair, 700C x 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard, black with reflective strip, 
slightly used, look almost new, $40 shipped.



Pair, 650B x 44mm Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard, black with reflective strip, 
NIB, $50 shipped.



Pair, 700C x 38mm Schwalbe Little Big Ben, brown with reflective strip, new, 
$40 shipped.



Pair, 700C x 30mm (a little wider mounted) Challenge Eroica, very high end 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Andy and family ride.

[franklyn]

I am sorry that I will miss you guys when you are down here. Have fun!

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:09:56 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Be mindful of the wind on that last one...
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't mean to imply that kids are required to come on this. Would love 
>> to hang with kid-free folks as well. Just ask you to be patient for rock 
>> throwing, stick whittling, and spitting off the bridge type breaks.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 1:10:08 PM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking forward to this. Would be awesome if there were other kiddos 
>>> along. My spawn are 6 & 7, but their energy goes to 11. We'll be on a big 
>>> dummy.  
>>> --Smitty
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:36:38 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Good buddy Andy and family(kiddos and wifey) are down for thanksgiving 
 week. Doing a family related ride on Sunday. Meeting at the ferry 
 building, 
 10am. Pretty much sightseeing and stopping for the kiddos. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Aaron Young]

Did I get that right?  the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with more
clearance and longer chainstays?  Or in other words the bike I've been
dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been
fantastic???

Please let it be so.

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I approve of the fork crown.  Enthusiastically
>
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-8, Grant Petersen wrote:
>>
>> The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going
>> on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit
>> in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer
>> chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we
>> got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for
>> other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general.
>>
>> In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn
>> bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel "allows shorter chainstays."
>> Missing the point.
>>
>> When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be
>> called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and
>> I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But
>> Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the
>> Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems
>> stretched out, so fit the bike.
>>
>> Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never
>> sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and
>> generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put
>> 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa
>> headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and
>> a newfound fondness for long chainstays.
>>
>> Then somebody here broght up the idea of a "canti-Sam," kind of like the
>> "canti-Romulus" man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but
>> cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted
>> that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and
>> nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so
>> what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB
>> canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was
>> exactly a romulus with cantilevers.)
>>
>> We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the  top
>> of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the
>> Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head
>> badge (we have 120 of them, or something.)
>>
>> But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving
>> production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily
>> kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then
>> also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't
>> afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug.
>>
>> The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us.
>> That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the
>> bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's
>> not.
>>
>> The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for
>> another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get
>> too impatient.
>>
>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not
>>> only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You
>>> can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.
>>>
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ban Homer ills

[Aaron Young]

I got that one, too.  But I have another one I will use.  This is fun, even
if you don't send a postcard.

Free hint: make sure your "M" isn't upside down.  You might get some great
words, but there's no "W" in Sam Hillborne. :)

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

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> Too bad I can't get a postcard to the Crick by the 29th!!!
>
> This is the best one. Someone use it quick!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Ron Mc]

dying to see them both now

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:53:20 PM UTC-6, AaronY wrote:
>
> Did I get that right?  the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with 
> more clearance and longer chainstays?  Or in other words the bike I've been 
> dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been 
> fantastic???
>
> Please let it be so.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> I approve of the fork crown.  Enthusiastically
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-8, Grant Petersen wrote:
>>>
>>> The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going 
>>> on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit 
>>> in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer 
>>> chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we 
>>> got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for 
>>> other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general.
>>>
>>> In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn 
>>> bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel "allows shorter chainstays." 
>>> Missing the point.
>>>
>>> When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to 
>>> be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name 
>>> and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But 
>>> Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the 
>>> Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems 
>>> stretched out, so fit the bike.
>>>
>>> Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never 
>>> sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and 
>>> generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 
>>> 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa 
>>> headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and 
>>> a newfound fondness for long chainstays.
>>>
>>> Then somebody here broght up the idea of a "canti-Sam," kind of like the 
>>> "canti-Romulus" man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but 
>>> cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted 
>>> that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and 
>>> nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so 
>>> what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB 
>>> canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was 
>>> exactly a romulus with cantilevers.)
>>>
>>> We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the  top 
>>> of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the 
>>> Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head 
>>> badge (we have 120 of them, or something.)
>>>
>>> But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving 
>>> production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily 
>>> kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then 
>>> also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't 
>>> afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. 
>>>
>>> The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for 
>>> us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride 
>>> the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes 
>>> it's not.
>>>
>>> The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for 
>>> another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get 
>>> too impatient.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not 
 only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You 
 can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.  

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm

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Re: [RBW] Ban Homer ills

[Aaron Young]

Whoops.  I was wrong.  I didn't get that one. I had a close variant.  Best
to be honest.

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I got that one, too.  But I have another one I will use.  This is fun,
> even if you don't send a postcard.
>
> Free hint: make sure your "M" isn't upside down.  You might get some great
> words, but there's no "W" in Sam Hillborne. :)
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> Too bad I can't get a postcard to the Crick by the 29th!!!
>>
>> This is the best one. Someone use it quick!
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: SKS Race Blade Fenders

[jim]

Yes I have a set. they are the narrow ones.

Jim

On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:40:30 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
> I'm one-biking it right now, and said bike does not fit my longboard 
> fenders. I was wondering if anyone has a set of SKS Race Blades they want 
> to sell.
>
> Let me know!
> Mike in Austin
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[RBW] New to me Atlantis

[Pondero]

After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in 
and purchased one that included a little beausage.  Since my partial build 
is now on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a 
couple of partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager 
anticipation...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/

This acquisition rounds out my quiver.  The Quickbeam primarily has city 
duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural 
road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I 
can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O.  Just about perfect 
for me.

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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! Time to get crankin', so I won't yank your chain, but instead 
let you put pedal to metal. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Definately adding those pics to my 26" bike folder!

What size is it?  I'm guessing 56 or 58 cm but maybe the tires make it look 
smaller than it really is.  




On Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:05:00 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
>
> After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in 
> and purchased one that included a little beausage.  Since my partial build 
> is now on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a 
> couple of partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager 
> anticipation...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/
>
> This acquisition rounds out my quiver.  The Quickbeam primarily has city 
> duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural 
> road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I 
> can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O.  Just about perfect 
> for me.
>

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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[Michael Hechmer]

Very nice looking.  I spent a long time wanting an Atlantis for touring, 
then ended up buying a used Saluki.  It sounds like this one will be just 
right for your riding.  Be sure to post again when its all together.

Michael

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:05:00 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote:
>
> After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in 
> and purchased one that included a little beausage.  Since my partial build 
> is now on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a 
> couple of partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager 
> anticipation...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/
>
> This acquisition rounds out my quiver.  The Quickbeam primarily has city 
> duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural 
> road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I 
> can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O.  Just about perfect 
> for me.
>

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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[Pondero]

Chris, it's a 56, and borderline too big, but I like the way larger frames ride.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[Pondero]

Patrick,

You are exactly right.  My wife said she is all done pushing me around on 
"test" rides.  Hey, if you build up a bike, you NEED test rides.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Ban Homer ills

[lungimsam]

I didn't get it either. I entered the letters into an online anagram calculator 
and it spat out a list of phrases including that one.

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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[Edwin W]

I love the simple look of that bike. Pedals and cables will add to the 
functionality, I guess, but it won't be as sleek. 
I really do love the look of the single top tube, horizontal, with bars at seat 
height. It is what so many of us grew up looking at, I guess. Not too much seat 
post or stem, either. 
I remember reading Grant  once saying something about the distance from the 
front tire to the dt should be the same as the rear tire to the st. Symmetry is 
beauty, in the eye of many beholders, me included. I know of the functionality 
of longer chain stays on Riv's newer bikes, but you lose that one little 
detail. 

Post more once you clutter it up with cranks and whatnot. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] New to me Atlantis

[James Warren]

Cool! Original lugs! (I think there have been three lug-types over the years: 
yours, smooth with no points, and current pointy.)


On Nov 22, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Pondero wrote:

> After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in and 
> purchased one that included a little beausage.  Since my partial build is now 
> on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a couple of 
> partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager 
> anticipation...
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/
> 
> This acquisition rounds out my quiver.  The Quickbeam primarily has city 
> duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural 
> road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I 
> can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O.  Just about perfect 
> for me.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[James Warren]

The Joe Appaloosa model sounds excellent. Thanks for the description.
The description makes me think of the big blue bike that sold at the garage 
sale last June (to Kurt I believe) and can be seen in a photo in the June 9 
Blug entry.

Anyway, that alongside Sam sounds like the ideal bike lineup.

-Jim W.


On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote:

> The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW 
> (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes 
> well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays 
> on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own 
> long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. 
> So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general.
> 
> In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes 
> because the smaller than 29er wheel "allows shorter chainstays." Missing the 
> point.
> 
> When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be 
> called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I 
> love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But 
> Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian 
> connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, 
> so fit the bike.
> 
> Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a 
> hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally 
> our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread 
> of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, 
> and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound 
> fondness for long chainstays.
> 
> Then somebody here broght up the idea of a "canti-Sam," kind of like the 
> "canti-Romulus" man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but 
> cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted 
> that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and 
> nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so 
> what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB 
> canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was 
> exactly a romulus with cantilevers.)
> 
> We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the  top of 
> the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the 
> Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head 
> badge (we have 120 of them, or something.)
> 
> But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production 
> time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out 
> the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not 
> having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would 
> truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. 
> 
> The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. 
> That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the 
> bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not.
> 
> The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another 
> bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too 
> impatient.
> 
> On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not only 
> that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You can see 
> the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.  
> 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[James Warren]

Pause this video at 21 seconds and you'll see the big blue bike I'm talking 
about:

http://vimeo.com/97744269


On Nov 22, 2014, at 2:40 PM, James Warren wrote:

> 
> The Joe Appaloosa model sounds excellent. Thanks for the description.
> The description makes me think of the big blue bike that sold at the garage 
> sale last June (to Kurt I believe) and can be seen in a photo in the June 9 
> Blug entry.
> 
> Anyway, that alongside Sam sounds like the ideal bike lineup.
> 
> -Jim W.
> 
> 
> On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote:
> 
>> The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on 
>> LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in 
>> boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer 
>> chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we 
>> got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for 
>> other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general.
>> 
>> In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes 
>> because the smaller than 29er wheel "allows shorter chainstays." Missing the 
>> point.
>> 
>> When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be 
>> called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I 
>> love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But 
>> Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the 
>> Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems 
>> stretched out, so fit the bike.
>> 
>> Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a 
>> hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally 
>> our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and 
>> dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge 
>> made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound 
>> fondness for long chainstays.
>> 
>> Then somebody here broght up the idea of a "canti-Sam," kind of like the 
>> "canti-Romulus" man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but 
>> cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted 
>> that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and 
>> nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so 
>> what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB 
>> canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was 
>> exactly a romulus with cantilevers.)
>> 
>> We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the  top of 
>> the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the 
>> Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head 
>> badge (we have 120 of them, or something.)
>> 
>> But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production 
>> time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out 
>> the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk 
>> not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that 
>> would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. 
>> 
>> The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. 
>> That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the 
>> bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not.
>> 
>> The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for 
>> another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get 
>> too impatient.
>> 
>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not only 
>> that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You can see 
>> the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.  
>> 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm
>> 
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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[hsmitham]

Really happy for you. I love the build process and yeah there is some 
impatience but as long as you have other bikes to ride it's all good. My 
stable is nearly complete but I pine for a silver or orange QB! Alas that 
will be in the distant future for me. 

Chris I look forward to the in between and final build.

Okay enough said, time to hop on the 'lantis for a quick ride to the creek.

~Hugh
  Los angeles, CA

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:05:00 PM UTC-8, Pondero wrote:
>
> After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in 
> and purchased one that included a little beausage.  Since my partial build 
> is now on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a 
> couple of partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager 
> anticipation...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/
>
> This acquisition rounds out my quiver.  The Quickbeam primarily has city 
> duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural 
> road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I 
> can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O.  Just about perfect 
> for me.
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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[dougP]

Finishing your Atlantis will be a nice winter project.  I hope you enjoy 
yours as much as I do mine.  It really is as good as they say.

dougP

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:05:00 PM UTC-8, Pondero wrote:
>
> After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in 
> and purchased one that included a little beausage.  Since my partial build 
> is now on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a 
> couple of partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager 
> anticipation...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/
>
> This acquisition rounds out my quiver.  The Quickbeam primarily has city 
> duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural 
> road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I 
> can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O.  Just about perfect 
> for me.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[iamkeith]

Thanks, Aaron, for helping me confirm that I'm not crazy.   I was just 
saying to myself  "Wait...  don't the Sams *already* have cantis?!"I 
guess that had changed at some point along the line.  I hadn't been paying 
attention only because this model has too much overlap with the ones I 
already own.   

But now  I'm with you!  This certainly sounds like a winner.  What's really 
interesting is that I/we might suddenly have to chose between *TWO* 
big-clearance 
700c / long-chainstay options, where I'd had *no* options thus far?!!   
Assuming and hoping, that is, that they are offered in those in-between or 
"missing" sizes that are excluded from the Atlantis and Hunquapillar 
lineups.   (At 6'-2" and 87cm pbh, I KNOW I can't be the only one in this 
boat.)  

I'm also hoping these projects don't take *too* long, though.  I was raring 
to go with the 59cm Clem, thinking it was just a couple of months out.   
Kind of disappointed that it isn't, but I understand the reasoning.  I had 
been holding off on doing a re-vitalization/rebuild of my Quickbeam to make 
sure I had funds available, but I guess I'll commit to that project in the 
meantime.  Nice first-world luxury problem to have, I guess.



On Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:53:20 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:

> Did I get that right?  the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with 
> more clearance and longer chainstays?  Or in other words the bike I've been 
> dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been 
> fantastic???
>
> Please let it be so.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
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[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis

[Tony DeFilippo]

Congrats Chris!  You just can't beat the look of an Atlantis.  And I like 
how it sits on those fat 26er's too.  So what's the handlebar plan for the 
Riv-threesome now? I think that I remember you dallied with some noodles on 
the AHH earlier this year.  I have a similar situation between my single 
speed XO-3, Saluki and Bombadil...  Right now I have Alba-XO3, nothing on 
the Saluki, super wide 48cm noodles on the Bombadil.  I think I could be 
very happy going Alba's all the way across to be honest and just have a set 
of noodles on standby to swap out when required but I'm not sure.  I expect 
to leave things as is till the Saluki comes back on line (the fork is in, 
probably going to wait till after Christmas shopping is done to get it 
coated though).

Great looking bike, congratulations!

Tony

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[RBW] WTB: 62cm Hunqapillar - frame only

[Mike S]

Hi all,

I have been wanting to add another bike to my stable since selling my 
Quickbeam prior to moving, and I'm thinking I'd like to put together an 
adventure touring bike starting with a Hunqapillar frame. I am interested 
in a 62cm Hunqapillar with the older pewter/maroon(?) paint scheme, and 
frame only most likely, though I may be interested in a partial build too. 
I'm not sure what the proper value of a used Hunqa is, but I'd like to hear 
your offer. 

I would probably be looking to buy in January, FYI. 

Cheers,

Mike 

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[RBW] New to me Atlantis

[WETH]

Dear Chris,
Congratulations on the bike.  I look forward to seeing more photos as the build 
progresses.  As I age, I find the anticipation almost as good as the thing 
anticipated.
My Atlantis, which has the same lug work as yours, remains my favorite bike.
Wishing you countless happy miles.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Matthew J]

Given that people had been hearing for months that the Sam's benching was 
to make room for the Clem, it's reasonable for the quote above to cause the 
speculation (about a possible Clem name shift) and confusion that has been 
talked about on the forum over the last few days. 

I guess.  But GP's earlier Clem comments were clear it was going to be a 
utilitarian budget bike aimed at people who otherwise might not buy a 
Rivendell.  Just did not make sense to me Riv would put its best seller on 
hiatus in favor of budge model its primary market might not want.


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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Joe Bernard]

They were never the same bike. There was a "long bike" which was produced 
as a custom for 10 buyers sight unseen, then a few protos of a production 
version were built, then Grant/Dave decided it wasn't a viable model. Now 
the Appaloosa name is being transferred to a new Sam-like bike with longer 
chainstays and cantis. The Clem Smith is and was the partially TIGed 
lower-cost Riv.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:47:23 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:

> Given that people had been hearing for months that the Sam's benching was 
> to make room for the Clem, it's reasonable for the quote above to cause the 
> speculation (about a possible Clem name shift) and confusion that has been 
> talked about on the forum over the last few days. 
>
> I guess.  But GP's earlier Clem comments were clear it was going to be a 
> utilitarian budget bike aimed at people who otherwise might not buy a 
> Rivendell.  Just did not make sense to me Riv would put its best seller on 
> hiatus in favor of budge model its primary market might not want.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Eric Daume]

But wasn't the Clem name used for the long chainstay, canti braked,
partially TIG'd bike that was up on the Blug a few months back? I'm still
confused about any difference between the two.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> They were never the same bike. There was a "long bike" which was produced
> as a custom for 10 buyers sight unseen, then a few protos of a production
> version were built, then Grant/Dave decided it wasn't a viable model. Now
> the Appaloosa name is being transferred to a new Sam-like bike with longer
> chainstays and cantis. The Clem Smith is and was the partially TIGed
> lower-cost Riv.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:47:23 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
>> Given that people had been hearing for months that the Sam's benching was
>> to make room for the Clem, it's reasonable for the quote above to cause the
>> speculation (about a possible Clem name shift) and confusion that has been
>> talked about on the forum over the last few days.
>>
>> I guess.  But GP's earlier Clem comments were clear it was going to be a
>> utilitarian budget bike aimed at people who otherwise might not buy a
>> Rivendell.  Just did not make sense to me Riv would put its best seller on
>> hiatus in favor of budge model its primary market might not want.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: SKS Race Blade Fenders

[Mike K.]

Thanks, all! I got a set.

On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:40:30 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
> I'm one-biking it right now, and said bike does not fit my longboard 
> fenders. I was wondering if anyone has a set of SKS Race Blades they want 
> to sell.
>
> Let me know!
> Mike in Austin
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[James Warren]

Answering Eric's question, I was confused until Grant's recent post. Grant's 
message clarifies which two bikes are on the horizon. The source of the 
confusion had been as follows and this repeats what Joe B just said with a bit 
of background added:

Appaloosa was a name for a bike that Riv made in limited quantities. Recent 
Blug post said they are transferring that name to a bike coming soon. If I 
thought that Clem Smith was the ONLY bike coming soon, then I get a bit 
confused. (I'm just speaking for myself there regarding confusion.)

But now I know that TWO bikes are on the horizon so the Appaloosa name is being 
transferred to the upcoming bike that is not the Clem. 

So to the point of Eric's question, how are the two upcoming bikes different:

> But wasn't the Clem name used for the long chainstay, canti braked, partially 
> TIG'd bike? 

Yes. That is the Clem. It will also be a budget model. But keep in mind: many 
Rivs are long chainstay these days.

The upcoming bike that is not the Clem and will be getting the Appaloosa name: 
will not be a budget bike and will not be partially TIG'd (my speculation). It 
will be long, it will be canti-braked, it will have excellent clearance, and it 
will have similarities to Sam Hillborne.

-Jim W.


> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> They were never the same bike. There was a "long bike" which was produced as 
> a custom for 10 buyers sight unseen, then a few protos of a production 
> version were built, then Grant/Dave decided it wasn't a viable model. Now the 
> Appaloosa name is being transferred to a new Sam-like bike with longer 
> chainstays and cantis. The Clem Smith is and was the partially TIGed 
> lower-cost Riv.
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
> 
> 
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:47:23 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
> Given that people had been hearing for months that the Sam's benching was to 
> make room for the Clem, it's reasonable for the quote above to cause the 
> speculation (about a possible Clem name shift) and confusion that has been 
> talked about on the forum over the last few days. 
> 
> I guess.  But GP's earlier Clem comments were clear it was going to be a 
> utilitarian budget bike aimed at people who otherwise might not buy a 
> Rivendell.  Just did not make sense to me Riv would put its best seller on 
> hiatus in favor of budge model its primary market might not want.
> 
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[RBW] Disturbing Trend?

[George Schick]

Having begun Winter off-time maintenance on my bikes I noticed enough rim 
wear on the road bike to encourage me to snoop around on the Web to see 
what's available nowadays.  One online retailer that used to carry several 
dozen brands/models of road rims is now listing only four.  Another has far 
more limited offerings than it used to.  And a well-known national 
chain/online retailer lists NO rims at all, just a pre-build wheel, and 
only one selection of those.  I'm not sure if this has any significance or 
not, but it sure looks like something is causing some belt tightening in 
the retail industry.  Any thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Aaron Young]

Well, Keith if you are thinking like me then you just might be crazy after
all. :)

I just bought an Atlantis because I wanted something that could handle
puffier tires than my current Sam. (Btw, I think you are right - originally
there were some canti Sams, but later versions have moved away from that.)
 So having just bought another Riv I don't mind these bikes being away off
yet, but they sure sound near perfect to me.  At least the long wait will
give me some time to adjust my finances...

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Thanks, Aaron, for helping me confirm that I'm not crazy.   I was just
> saying to myself  "Wait...  don't the Sams *already* have cantis?!"I
> guess that had changed at some point along the line.  I hadn't been paying
> attention only because this model has too much overlap with the ones I
> already own.
>
> But now  I'm with you!  This certainly sounds like a winner.  What's
> really interesting is that I/we might suddenly have to chose between *TWO* 
> big-clearance
> 700c / long-chainstay options, where I'd had *no* options thus far?!!
> Assuming and hoping, that is, that they are offered in those in-between or
> "missing" sizes that are excluded from the Atlantis and Hunquapillar
> lineups.   (At 6'-2" and 87cm pbh, I KNOW I can't be the only one in this
> boat.)
>
> I'm also hoping these projects don't take *too* long, though.  I was
> raring to go with the 59cm Clem, thinking it was just a couple of months
> out.   Kind of disappointed that it isn't, but I understand the reasoning.
> I had been holding off on doing a re-vitalization/rebuild of my
> Quickbeam to make sure I had funds available, but I guess I'll commit to
> that project in the meantime.  Nice first-world luxury problem to have, I
> guess.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:53:20 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
>> Did I get that right?  the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with
>> more clearance and longer chainstays?  Or in other words the bike I've been
>> dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been
>> fantastic???
>>
>> Please let it be so.
>>
>> -Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

[Kendallspower]

Want! 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452
On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop.  Not 
> only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa.  You 
> can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube.  
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm
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Re: [RBW] Disturbing Trend?

[Joe Broach]

Nah, you must be looking in weird places. The road rim market is booming,
and even better the wide rim revolution is taking over! Depending on who
you ask, these new fangled v-shaped profiles may even be an improvement,
too (stronger for less weight). Here are over 80 at a shop local to me,
though granted a handful may be 29er or disc- specific:
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=856

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Having begun Winter off-time maintenance on my bikes I noticed enough rim
> wear on the road bike to encourage me to snoop around on the Web to see
> what's available nowadays.  One online retailer that used to carry several
> dozen brands/models of road rims is now listing only four.  Another has far
> more limited offerings than it used to.  And a well-known national
> chain/online retailer lists NO rims at all, just a pre-build wheel, and
> only one selection of those.  I'm not sure if this has any significance or
> not, but it sure looks like something is causing some belt tightening in
> the retail industry.  Any thoughts?
>
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[RBW] New to me Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

"Stance." 
I love that fat tire look. 

I have "patinated" cranks and (unpatinated) front derailleurs if you need them 
for the build.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Disturbing Trend?

[Tim McNamara]

> On Nov 22, 2014, at 8:25 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Having begun Winter off-time maintenance on my bikes I noticed enough rim 
> wear on the road bike to encourage me to snoop around on the Web to see 
> what's available nowadays.  One online retailer that used to carry several 
> dozen brands/models of road rims is now listing only four.  Another has far 
> more limited offerings than it used to.  And a well-known national 
> chain/online retailer lists NO rims at all, just a pre-build wheel, and only 
> one selection of those.  I'm not sure if this has any significance or not, 
> but it sure looks like something is causing some belt tightening in the 
> retail industry.  Any thoughts?

Mostly that few people build their own wheels any more, so rim sales are not a 
priority for many retailers.  I don't know what changes there might be at the 
wholesale level.

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Re: [RBW] Disturbing Trend?

[George Schick]

Huh! Interesting.  Well, actually I was looking at well known national 
online retailers like Performance, Nashbar, and Harris Bike; and a popular 
regional mail order-only outfit called Lickbike.  But your Universal 
certain beats their trend.  Be interesting to see if their stock continues 
or follows the others.


On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:12:37 PM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
>
> Nah, you must be looking in weird places. The road rim market is booming, 
> and even better the wide rim revolution is taking over! Depending on who 
> you ask, these new fangled v-shaped profiles may even be an improvement, 
> too (stronger for less weight). Here are over 80 at a shop local to me, 
> though granted a handful may be 29er or disc- specific: 
> http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=856
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> portland, or
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> Having begun Winter off-time maintenance on my bikes I noticed enough rim 
>> wear on the road bike to encourage me to snoop around on the Web to see 
>> what's available nowadays.  One online retailer that used to carry several 
>> dozen brands/models of road rims is now listing only four.  Another has far 
>> more limited offerings than it used to.  And a well-known national 
>> chain/online retailer lists NO rims at all, just a pre-build wheel, and 
>> only one selection of those.  I'm not sure if this has any significance or 
>> not, but it sure looks like something is causing some belt tightening in 
>> the retail industry.  Any thoughts?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa?

[Rod Holland]

Of course, it's worth noting that the biggest input to the ride signature for 
the LHT (comfy, stable) is its long chainstays/long wheelbase. Given that those 
attributes figure prominently in the pending River introductions,that might be 
food for thought for those who dislike the LHT's ride/handling...

rod

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Re: [RBW] Disturbing Trend?

[cyclotourist]

Made me check my local-ish LBS and on-line retailer:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Bicycle-Rims?pg=100&o=10880&s=b

Seems to be a pretty good supply, although I think they should carry
more from Velocity.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:44 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> Huh! Interesting.  Well, actually I was looking at well known national
> online retailers like Performance, Nashbar, and Harris Bike; and a popular
> regional mail order-only outfit called Lickbike.  But your Universal certain
> beats their trend.  Be interesting to see if their stock continues or
> follows the others.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:12:37 PM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
>>
>> Nah, you must be looking in weird places. The road rim market is booming,
>> and even better the wide rim revolution is taking over! Depending on who you
>> ask, these new fangled v-shaped profiles may even be an improvement, too
>> (stronger for less weight). Here are over 80 at a shop local to me, though
>> granted a handful may be 29er or disc- specific:
>> http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=856
>>
>> Best,
>> joe broach
>> portland, or
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Having begun Winter off-time maintenance on my bikes I noticed enough rim
>>> wear on the road bike to encourage me to snoop around on the Web to see
>>> what's available nowadays.  One online retailer that used to carry several
>>> dozen brands/models of road rims is now listing only four.  Another has far
>>> more limited offerings than it used to.  And a well-known national
>>> chain/online retailer lists NO rims at all, just a pre-build wheel, and only
>>> one selection of those.  I'm not sure if this has any significance or not,
>>> but it sure looks like something is causing some belt tightening in the
>>> retail industry.  Any thoughts?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The Great Workshop Cleaning! Much Stuff FS.

[Gmail]

I had expressed interest in the tektro canti's.  Can you send me your email so 
we can settle up?


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Nov 21, 2014, at 12:45 PM, "'whiskeyding' via RBW Owners Bunch" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wildcat,
> 
> Go ahead and email me privately.  No one has claimed the posts yet, so you're 
> golden.
> 
>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:07:19 PM UTC-7, Wildcat96 wrote:
>> Dibs on the non-logo Kalloy seat post!
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[RBW] F.S. 58cm quickbeam silver complete $1200

[dylan alverson]

Pending sale. 

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[RBW] WTB - Sackville Medium Shopsack

[Steve Cole]

RBW hasn't had these in stock for quite a while.  I am interested in either 
color -- olive or tan but would prefer tan.  Any help or ideas appreciated.

Thanks.

Steve

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