[RBW] Re: Somewhat but not entirely OT: Citronella candles/mosquitos?

[Peter Adler]

For the coastal Californians among us, rubbing crushed eucalyptus leaves on 
your exposed skin works pretty well. Since eucs grow like weeds out here...

And Australians, of course.

Peter (hippie East Bay Regional Park ranger taught me that 40-odd years 
ago) Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA
>
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions please for a Bay Area mountain or mixed terrain ride Friday July 3 or Saturday July 4

[Peter Adler]

Sports Basement opened a store near downtown Berkeley a few months ago, but 
I'm not sure whether they rent bikes. If they do, it's a lot closer than 
going out to Walnut Creek.

General warning: Unless you're a regular climber, the slope up to Grizzly 
Peak or Skyline (the roads near the ridge of the Berkeley Hills) is pretty 
ferocious. It's part of the classic East Bay roadie route called Three 
Bears, which crosses the hills and does a big loop on bear-named roads 
between the hills and Walnut creek before heading back across the ridge to 
Berkeley. You might want to drive up to the ridge to start.

Peter "Berkeley lifer" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 9:14:57 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:
>
> Thanks Ryan and Justin.  I think staying nearby will be easiest plus 
> almost no driving. I think I'm gonna rent an Ibis from Sports Basement and 
> go to Joaquin Miller and Redwood and maybe Wildcat.  Sorry for the detour 
> from Riv content but I thought this might be a good place to get some good 
> local intel. 
>
> Christian 

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Ron Mc]

Deac gets to be our spiritual leader, and Patrick our temporal.  We're a 
fun group here, and all on even standing.  

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:28:32 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> very well said. as a still newish member, i'd add welcoming and tolerant 
> to the list. i've learned a lot and felt none of the shame that sometimes 
> comes with newbie mechanical tinkering. hopefully one day ill be able to 
> contribute as much as ive absorbed. 
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Re: [RBW] FS: reduced prices! tweed bags, canvas bags...

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Li'l Loafer is gone.

Still available are...

Duluth Pack green canvas Field Satchel, very good condition - $80 
Duluth Pack blue canvas Deluxe Shell Bag, fair condition - $30

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Somewhat but not entirely OT: Citronella candles/mosquitos?

[Garth]

   Think about Patrick , it is the smoke that is immune to the skeeters ... 
for you to be immune like the smoke you have to be completely and utterly 
immersed in that smoke !   That means a well enclosed area , no airflow at 
all , literally a "room that is smoke" . . . . or a "smokehouse" .   I 
doubt anyone would find this pleasing in any way .  . . and to add to that 
.  . . the moment you leave the "smokehouse"  BAM !   they're waiting 
for you .   Yum yum yum  .  . . . .lol .  

So you may now wonder  .  . . . how can I be immune then ?
This question cannot be satisfactorily answered as long as you identify 
yourself as someone who is vulnerable and in need of "protection".   For 
this, there is no protection .   Have you noticed, with all these so called 
"smart minds" and the "smart products and solutions" , there are as many 
skeeters as ever, and as people being bit as ever.  Does this not stir 
something in you , for an Absolute and infallible answer ? 

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[RBW] Re: Community

[ascpgh]

 A humbling example of unanimity. Sometimes just reading, others writing. A 
great group amongst whom to realize one's weirdness about bikes and 
perspectives on life have been tempered by the very individual experiences 
shared by others.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends, Just a note to again say how much this group means to me.  I 
> think of the care and concern with which regard each other, the 
> helpfulness, the kind tone, the generosity given online and off—it is 
> really something special.  Parts broken or lost?  Someone might send you 
> one.  Bike stolen?  Alerts go out.  Recovering from surgery?  Empathy, 
> advice, and well wishes offered.  Flumoxed by a technical problem?  Many 
> solutions expounded upon (some even might work!)  Need advice about a 
> route?  Someone's ridden it.  Recovered your stolen bike? Cheers erupt. A 
> member of our own passes?  Hearts break.  Someone forgets and snarks a tiny 
> bit?  We all forgive and admit it's just the dregs of winter.  Wondering if 
> anyone's posted in the past hour?  One of the Patricks to the rescue! Buy a 
> bag from a lister?  They might just give it to you as a kindness for a long 
> forgotten post.
>
> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>
> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
>

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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Garth]

   Just disregard the "rating"  . . . . as noted  . . . . if anything it 
can be more stable with the same strength with  5 mount points .


As expected, my rack has been perfect.  The bolts have are the non 
loosening type, with nylon in them .  The stays can be cold set bent as 
needed also.  



On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Maybe spot welding the tang for and aft of the bolts would work, once you 
> got it centered where you need it on your bike.
>
> I was also recommended to use a strap by an RBW employee. That's not 
> confidence building.
>
> What puzzles me is the M18 is rated at a 17lb load the Marks is only 4 
> lbs. But they look like the same rack structurally, except the Marks has 
> the tab in the front and an extra set of eyelets. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

> Nice people,very knowledgeable , always helpful.
>
I'm thankful I have found this group. There would be a big void in my life 
without this group.
Jon 
 

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Tony DeFilippo]

Couldn't agree more, this is the most real virtual community I've been a 
part of and it truly makes my day better.

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Deacon Patrick]

As spiritual leader my one pronouncement is that if we had a leader we 
wouldn't be this group. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Ron Mc]

see, you agreed with me

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 8:14:53 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> As spiritual leader my one pronouncement is that if we had a leader we 
> wouldn't be this group. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Community

[Deacon Patrick]

Do I? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 8:07:46 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> see, you agreed with me
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 8:14:53 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> As spiritual leader my one pronouncement is that if we had a leader we 
>> wouldn't be this group. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Ron Mc]

No offense, but I think the title of this thread is misleading - I've never 
heard of a Nitto rack failure.  

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 7:34:44 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>Just disregard the "rating"  . . . . as noted  . . . . if anything it 
> can be more stable with the same strength with  5 mount points .
>
>
> As expected, my rack has been perfect.  The bolts have are the non 
> loosening type, with nylon in them .  The stays can be cold set bent as 
> needed also.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Maybe spot welding the tang for and aft of the bolts would work, once you 
>> got it centered where you need it on your bike.
>>
>> I was also recommended to use a strap by an RBW employee. That's not 
>> confidence building.
>>
>> What puzzles me is the M18 is rated at a 17lb load the Marks is only 4 
>> lbs. But they look like the same rack structurally, except the Marks has 
>> the tab in the front and an extra set of eyelets. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Michael Hechmer]

Right on.  In my last two notes I got really good advice on dealing with 
synergy rims and bike carriers that can deal with fenders, albas & mixed 
frames.  I'm very appreciative to everyone.

Oh yea, and teaching my grandson to ride.  I sprang for a new bike that 
fits him, has smooth tires, and pedals smoothly.  All of a sudden he's in 
love with his bike instead of the tag along.  I also convinced his mom only 
to use the training wheels until he had mastered pedaling, watching where 
he was going and steering.  I'm guessing a couple of weeks.  Thanks to all 
who helped me with that.

Michael 

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends, Just a note to again say how much this group means to me.  I 
> think of the care and concern with which regard each other, the 
> helpfulness, the kind tone, the generosity given online and off—it is 
> really something special.  Parts broken or lost?  Someone might send you 
> one.  Bike stolen?  Alerts go out.  Recovering from surgery?  Empathy, 
> advice, and well wishes offered.  Flumoxed by a technical problem?  Many 
> solutions expounded upon (some even might work!)  Need advice about a 
> route?  Someone's ridden it.  Recovered your stolen bike? Cheers erupt. A 
> member of our own passes?  Hearts break.  Someone forgets and snarks a tiny 
> bit?  We all forgive and admit it's just the dregs of winter.  Wondering if 
> anyone's posted in the past hour?  One of the Patricks to the rescue! Buy a 
> bag from a lister?  They might just give it to you as a kindness for a long 
> forgotten post.
>
> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>
> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
>

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[RBW] Re: Altus rear derailer = upgrade from DeerHead

[Montclair BobbyB]

... but can one truly embrace Altus without sacrificing one's foppishness?  I'm 
scared, Bill... need affirmation...

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[RBW] Re: Somewhat but not entirely OT: Citronella candles/mosquitos?

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,

Have you considered installing an overhead ceiling fan or using a portable 
freestanding fan to stir up those calm conditions?

Matt

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Are large citronella candles effective in repelling mosquitos in calm 
> conditions? My back porch is small, 10' X 10'.
>
> I hear it is best to put the candle at ground level?
>
> I am sure that this has some application to S240s.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick "yes, twilight mosquitos in high desert ABQ, near the bosque" Moore
>
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> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle
>
> *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante  
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Re: [RBW] FS: reduced prices! tweed bags, canvas bags...

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Deluxe Shell Bag is gone.

Still available is...

Duluth Pack green canvas Field Satchel, very good condition - $80 (total 
aside... I thought this would be the first to go)

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Somewhat but not entirely OT: Citronella candles/mosquitos?

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

ooppss, I see Eric already suggested this.

Matt

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 7:54:23 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> Have you considered installing an overhead ceiling fan or using a portable 
> freestanding fan to stir up those calm conditions?
>
> Matt
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Are large citronella candles effective in repelling mosquitos in calm 
>> conditions? My back porch is small, 10' X 10'.
>>
>> I hear it is best to put the candle at ground level?
>>
>> I am sure that this has some application to S240s.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick "yes, twilight mosquitos in high desert ABQ, near the bosque" 
>> Moore
>>
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>>
>> *
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle
>>
>> *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante  
>>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Somewhat but not entirely OT: Citronella candles/mosquitos?

[Patrick Moore]

Someone else suggested a fan -- would have to be free standing since this
is an open patio; but I'd prefer the absence of mechanical clutter. I'll
try the Citronella; desultory (or better) Googling raised a modest
consensus that citronella candles do work, Consumer Reports
notwithstanding, and for $5 I can do my own experimenting.

Aside: the very modest backyard is particularly nice this summer, with the
trumpet vine covering more and more of the cinderblock walls, a trend I am
encouraging with conscientious watering and fertilizer. Our brilliant and
blazing sun does the rest. I had 6 additional vines put in and I'm hoping
Miracle Gro will accelerate their growth -- a friend told me he gets 40
feet of grape vine growth a year with this stuff. Since the bulk of the
garden is (nice) gravel and (nice) pavement blocks, the TV is crucial to
transforming what would otherwise be sterility into pleasantness. (Zen
gardens work best in a greener, wetter climate -- Zen in the desert is
rather beside the point, its point being Void in illusory plenitude, or One
in multiplicity. OK, enough sermonizing.)



Near or practically in the bosque, the birds are particularly pleasant in
the early morning.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:54 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Have you considered installing an overhead ceiling fan or using a portable
> freestanding fan to stir up those calm conditions?
>
> Matt
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 8:52:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Are large citronella candles effective in repelling mosquitos in calm
>> conditions? My back porch is small, 10' X 10'.
>>
>> I hear it is best to put the candle at ground level?
>>
>> I am sure that this has some application to S240s.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick "yes, twilight mosquitos in high desert ABQ, near the bosque"
>> Moore
>>
>> --
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>>
>> *
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle
>>
>> *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante
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[RBW] For fans of the Bleriot

[Eric Norris]

classicretro (@classicretro )
7/2/15, 4:19 AM 

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[RBW] FS: Paul Racers, Paul brake levers, TRP Levers, Various Nitto stems and handlebars!

[Avery Wilson]

Hey there group!

After a coupla years of handlebar swapping and brake experimentation, I've 
arrived at my own personal bike-nirvana with a one-off canti-homer, Soma 
Portola dirt drop bars, dirt drop stem, and Shimergo (Campy 10 speed 
shifting Shimano 8 speed.. ) Weird, I know :)

That brings me to clear out some bars, stems, brakes, brake levers, and 
accessories I've accumulated.

Photos 


Here they are:

Nitto RM-013 52cm Dirt Drop Bars 26.0 clamp, Heat Treated, almost 
completely new  - $85 shipped CONUS
Nitto M177 46cm Noddle Bars, Heat Treated, 26.0 missing sticker, scratches, 
decent cond. - $55 shipped CONUS
Mitto RM-017 Albastache Bars - heat treated 26.0 clamp, have tape gunk and 
some scratches - $55 shipped CONUS
Nitto Albatross bars CroMo 25.4 clamp. Used, OK cond. - $45 shipped

Nitto Tech Deluxe 80 26.0 stem - used, fine condition - $45 shipped
Nitto Technomic Deluxe 120 25.4 stem - used, fine condition - $45 shipped
Nitto Tallux 80 26.0 stem used, fine condition - $45 shipped

Dia-Compe grip knobs, gum hoods, great condition - $30 shipped
TRP gum hood, drillium levers, beausage on hoods - $40 shipped

Paul Racer centerpull brakes, anodized silver, used, good condition. $175 
shipped
Paul Moon Units anodized silver, used OK condition. $20 with Paul brakes, 
$30 otherwise
Paul Canti-levers short pull brake levers. For 22.2 bars, like Albatross. 
$80 shipped.

Silver headset hanger and Nitto rear wire brake hanger $15 with brakes.

I'll make a combo deal on the brakes - Paul Levers, moon unit straddles, 
hangers, and racer brakes for $250 shipped.

I'll take Paypal if you cover fees, and I'll have this stuff for sale until 
Tuesday evening, July 7th, and I'll ship everything that sells on Wednesday 
July 8th.

Reply off-list, and we'll make arrangements for payment and shipping.  I'll 
update the post when things are sold.

Thanks everyone!!

Avery




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[RBW] Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Daniel D.]

I was considering the 51cm Sam, especially the Web special.  But you snooze you 
lose.  How does the Cheviot compare?  I wanted a Sam to replace a typical 
aluminum 105 equipped road bike, for fun rides short and long carrying at most 
light loads, going fastish. The role between my errand beater bike and  loaded 
touring bike.

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Re: [RBW] FS: reduced prices! tweed bags, canvas bags...

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Field Satchel gone.

And then there were none.

Thanks all!

If anything goes awry with pending transactions I'll reactivate this thread.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

 

Thought some of you would be interested that despite the fact that internet 
says you can’t mix shimano Dyna-sys rear derailers with anything but 
Dyna-sys shifters I am successfully running them with shimano ultegra 8 
speed bar ends in friction mode. The shifting not only works it works 
amazingly well. The longer cable pull allows for finer trimming and a 
greater “sweet spot”. Shifting is crisp and direct which I think is the 
result of not having that floating pulley. I am running it with and 8 speed 
cassette, 8 speed chain, and a triple front. Hope this information is 
helpful. And yes, I can shift across the entire cassette.

 

Thanks,

Clayton Scott

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Racers, Paul brake levers, TRP Levers, Various Nitto stems and handlebars!

[Avery Wilson]

>
> Deal pending on albatross, albastachs, 12cm stem, 8cm Tallux, and whole 
> Paul brake set-up.
>

I'll update accordingly. 

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[RBW] Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Liesl]

Hi Daniel, between my partner and I,  we have a 60cm cheviot/58 QB and a long 
46 Appaloosa custom/50 saluki combos so maybe of some help.  All but the QB 
have Boscos, which has old style mustaches.

The long bikes in general: stable in the extreme and designed for upright 
riding. Gotta dial in handlebars and seat position as always. Fantastic 
load-haulers and fun ambling

Cheviot specifically: step-through means you don't have to swing yer leg over 
top and you can take a bigger frame. Not bad the older you get, either!

Compared to Sam-like bikes, the QB and the saluki feel lighter and quicker 
handling. The saluki can take loads but not like the cheviot or custom.

Hope this provides a little comparable info for your thinking.

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[RBW] Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Kellie]

I've owned both and I LOVE MY Cheviot. Love the step through. I have 43mm Rock 
and Roads- I can go anywhere! I commute to work (street) and ride trails on the 
same tires. Have a Marks rack in front with a basket and a Carradice with a 
Pletcher on back. Set up for S24O- and just go! Haul groceries-YES!

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions please for a Bay Area mountain or mixed terrain ride Friday July 3 or Saturday July 4

[Jeremy Till]

Lots of great riding in them thar hills, but Peter is right, pretty much 
any ride in Berkeley is a fair bit of climbing.  One of the most common 
routes to get up to Grizzly Peak/Skyline from Berkeley is Old Tunnel Rd, 
often just referred to as "Tunnel," which climbs the hills above the 
Caldecott Tunnel.  It's got some steeper pitches near the bottom and a 
sketchy bit where you have to cross fast moving on-ramp traffic, but once 
you get past that it's a pretty quiet road with a constant, doable grade 
and great views.  Any bike shop guy will be able to tell you how to get 
there.  From the top of Tunnel, it's a short jaunt along south along 
Skyline to Redwood or Joaquin Miller parks.  Or, go north on Grizzly Peak 
Boulevard to Tilden--the interesection basically marks the top of the 
climb.  Note that once you get into the area north of the Grizzly 
Peak/Claremont/Fish Ranch intersection, everything on the west side of the 
road is owned by UC Berkeley and is technically off limits to bikes, 
whereas everything on the east side of the road is Tilden Park, where 
bicycles are allowed on all of the fire roads and some of the 
singletrack--check out the signs.  


On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:46:41 AM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Sports Basement opened a store near downtown Berkeley a few months ago, 
> but I'm not sure whether they rent bikes. If they do, it's a lot closer 
> than going out to Walnut Creek.
>
> General warning: Unless you're a regular climber, the slope up to Grizzly 
> Peak or Skyline (the roads near the ridge of the Berkeley Hills) is pretty 
> ferocious. It's part of the classic East Bay roadie route called Three 
> Bears, which crosses the hills and does a big loop on bear-named roads 
> between the hills and Walnut creek before heading back across the ridge to 
> Berkeley. You might want to drive up to the ridge to start.
>
> Peter "Berkeley lifer" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 9:14:57 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ryan and Justin.  I think staying nearby will be easiest plus 
>> almost no driving. I think I'm gonna rent an Ibis from Sports Basement and 
>> go to Joaquin Miller and Redwood and maybe Wildcat.  Sorry for the detour 
>> from Riv content but I thought this might be a good place to get some good 
>> local intel. 
>>
>> Christian 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions please for a Bay Area mountain or mixed terrain ride Friday July 3 or Saturday July 4

[Jeremy Till]

One more thing: a couple of years ago I hosted a "Northern East Bay Mixed 
Terrain Ride," which linked together a lot of the stuff I was just 
describing.  If you search the list archives you should be able to find my 
description of the route and could probably piece it together yourself.  

I'd come with you except that I no longer live in Berkeley...moved up to 
Sacramento a few months ago.  

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 10:39:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Lots of great riding in them thar hills, but Peter is right, pretty much 
> any ride in Berkeley is a fair bit of climbing.  One of the most common 
> routes to get up to Grizzly Peak/Skyline from Berkeley is Old Tunnel Rd, 
> often just referred to as "Tunnel," which climbs the hills above the 
> Caldecott Tunnel.  It's got some steeper pitches near the bottom and a 
> sketchy bit where you have to cross fast moving on-ramp traffic, but once 
> you get past that it's a pretty quiet road with a constant, doable grade 
> and great views.  Any bike shop guy will be able to tell you how to get 
> there.  From the top of Tunnel, it's a short jaunt along south along 
> Skyline to Redwood or Joaquin Miller parks.  Or, go north on Grizzly Peak 
> Boulevard to Tilden--the interesection basically marks the top of the 
> climb.  Note that once you get into the area north of the Grizzly 
> Peak/Claremont/Fish Ranch intersection, everything on the west side of the 
> road is owned by UC Berkeley and is technically off limits to bikes, 
> whereas everything on the east side of the road is Tilden Park, where 
> bicycles are allowed on all of the fire roads and some of the 
> singletrack--check out the signs.  
>
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:46:41 AM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>>
>> Sports Basement opened a store near downtown Berkeley a few months ago, 
>> but I'm not sure whether they rent bikes. If they do, it's a lot closer 
>> than going out to Walnut Creek.
>>
>> General warning: Unless you're a regular climber, the slope up to Grizzly 
>> Peak or Skyline (the roads near the ridge of the Berkeley Hills) is pretty 
>> ferocious. It's part of the classic East Bay roadie route called Three 
>> Bears, which crosses the hills and does a big loop on bear-named roads 
>> between the hills and Walnut creek before heading back across the ridge to 
>> Berkeley. You might want to drive up to the ridge to start.
>>
>> Peter "Berkeley lifer" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 9:14:57 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Ryan and Justin.  I think staying nearby will be easiest plus 
>>> almost no driving. I think I'm gonna rent an Ibis from Sports Basement and 
>>> go to Joaquin Miller and Redwood and maybe Wildcat.  Sorry for the detour 
>>> from Riv content but I thought this might be a good place to get some good 
>>> local intel. 
>>>
>>> Christian 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Pondero]

Daniel, great question.  Based on my own observations and research, it 
seems the Cheviot and Sam would perform equally well for your application. 
 I don't recall seeing a drop bar Cheviot yet, so if "going fastish" means 
aerodynamics and drop bars for you, maybe that says something.

Since I have a strong interest in the Cheviot myself, I'm looking forward 
to other responses on this.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Clayton.sf]

Just built up my 60cm cheviut yesterday. Love it. Still in honeymoon phase, 
but the way it corners on dirt is amazing. Rock 'n road here too with lots 
of clearance left. The geometry (especially chainstay length) changes quite 
a bit from one size to the next. Give Keven at Riv HQ a call he will be 
able to explain a lot. 

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>
> Daniel, great question.  Based on my own observations and research, it 
> seems the Cheviot and Sam would perform equally well for your application. 
>  I don't recall seeing a drop bar Cheviot yet, so if "going fastish" means 
> aerodynamics and drop bars for you, maybe that says something.
>
> Since I have a strong interest in the Cheviot myself, I'm looking forward 
> to other responses on this.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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[RBW] my first Riv in the wild sighting

[Will]

Yesterday I was biking over to our community garden and saw a 
Riv-in-the-wild. My first. It was a Sam. I was on an Atlantis. I stopped. 
We chatted.

Gotta say... even though Riv's site pictures are really good, the Sam, up 
close and personal, is a truly beautiful, impressive, bike. 

There are a lot of Surly's here (Madison, WI). A lot of Giants, Novarras, 
etc... It's not the same. 

Will

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Philip Kim]

Getting the 51 built up on the web specials. Great bike, quicker than it 
looks. I'm sure the cheviot is just as good, I plan to get chev or clem 
down the road.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I was considering the 51cm Sam, especially the Web special.  But you 
> snooze you lose.  How does the Cheviot compare?  I wanted a Sam to replace 
> a typical aluminum 105 equipped road bike, for fun rides short and long 
> carrying at most light loads, going fastish. The role between my errand 
> beater bike and  loaded touring bike.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell Atlantis - 58cm

[Eric]

Bump! Still looking...

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[RBW] Re: Altus rear derailer = upgrade from DeerHead

[Bill Lindsay]

The true essence of foppishness is self-awareness and excessively 
deliberate fine-tuning of one's appearance.  Somebody who turns the tiniest 
detail of one's bicycle into an event worthy of showing-off is a bicycle 
fop.  So, me showing off a cheap derailer is the utter definition of 
foppishness.  Hey, look at me!  I'm using a cheap derailer and it works 
great!  

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 7:42:00 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> ... but can one truly embrace Altus without sacrificing one's foppishness? 
>  I'm scared, Bill... need affirmation...

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[DS]

A few thoughts on the Sam side: I couldn't decide b/w the two so I went a 
55cm Cheviot and decided to sell it and buy a 51cm Sam web special, happy 
with that decision. I like the diamond frame more, I have a few tight 
spaces and stairs I need to haul the bike over and around and like having 
the top tube to grab. And feel the Sam is a little faster and much better 
climber if you have hills, maybe its due to the smaller frame size. I also 
like Albastache bars better than Albastross and feel that the Albastache's 
are more at home on a Sam. 

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[RBW] Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Lungimsam]

1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?

2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
Bleriot?

3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 12:58 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:


Thought some of you would be interested that despite the fact that 
internet says you can’t mix shimano Dyna-sys rear derailers with 
anything but Dyna-sys shifters I am successfully running them with 
shimano ultegra 8 speed bar ends in friction mode




Actually, "the internet" says you can't /index shift/ Dyna-sys rear 
mechs with anything but Dyna-sys shifters, because the Dyna-sys rear 
mech's cable pull requirement is different from the road derailleurs, 
and the indexed bar end shifters and road STI brifters pull matches road 
and non-Dyna-sys rear derailleurs.   When you're friction shifting, it 
isn't the placement of detents that determines when you've shifted 
enough, it's operator wetware that does the job.  So as long as the 
friction shifter pulls enough cable to get the rear derailleur to travel 
through its full range and as long as operator wetware is sufficiently 
sensitive to detect when you've moved the rear mech enough to accurately 
complete the shift, you're good to go.



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[RBW] Re: Community

[Wayne Naha]

This really is a great bunch of folks.  It's a very homely space.

>
> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>
> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Lungimsam]

I was told by RBW that using the 4 strut method brings the rating up to 
about 6lbs, only, and put an irish strap on it.

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 03:33 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

1. If you have owned both, what  are the diffs in ride quality?


I owned a Rambouillet and a Saluki, Bleriot's older and fancier twin.  
They both have a characteristic, identifieable "this is a Rivendell" 
ride; however since the Saluki can fit 42mm Hetres (I did, and I believe 
Tony, the current owner does too) there's that typical, wonderful "every 
road is a smooth road" silkiness to the ride of the Saluki that the 
Rambouillet, limited as it is to 28 mm tires (with fenders) can't begin 
to come close to.


Also: the Saluki is a great bike on gravel roads, as long as the grade 
doesn't get up into the teens and beyond.  There's a lot of wheel flop, 
and climbing a 14% grade on gravel in a 22" gear it's hard to maintain 
directional stability.  With 28mm tires the Rambouillet for me was 
entirely unsuitable for gravel, full stop.





> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the
> 650b Bleriot?

See above re: ride.  But note, the geometry of the Rambouillet and the 
Saluki are very different.  73 degree head angle with the Rambouillet vs 
71 degree with the Saluki.  That will have as much of an effect as the 
difference in tire size.







> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

I never carried a load on the front of the Rambouillet.  The Saluki had 
fittings for a rack, and I had a Berthoud rack on mine (yes, /that/ 
one).  Because the (largest size Berthoud) bag was supported on a rack 
low down, it handled loads fairly well, with just one exception.  
Comparing the Saluki to the MAP Randonneur that replaced it, with the 
same weight of load when straightening up from a turn with the Saluki it 
felt as though I was lifting the load with the handlebars.  With the MAP 
you really don't feel the load at all.


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Daniel D.]

Thanks for the thoughts, everyone.  Googling I could find Sams set up/used 
in a way I would prefer.  But cheviot builds seemed to lean more towards 
errand or light touring bikes.  The more I think about it guess I'll either 
get a san marcos, wait until the sams are back(big plus, I can save instead 
of doing a sell off), or go used.  I could go test ride a cheviot.  But 
doubt I'd learn anything.  Any new bike feels exciting and it takes me a 
few hundred miles before I notice things :p.  
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I was considering the 51cm Sam, especially the Web special.  But you 
> snooze you lose.  How does the Cheviot compare?  I wanted a Sam to replace 
> a typical aluminum 105 equipped road bike, for fun rides short and long 
> carrying at most light loads, going fastish. The role between my errand 
> beater bike and  loaded touring bike.

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[franklyn]

I owned both the Romulus 
 
(which is a twin to the Ramouillet) and the Bleriot 
.
 
I looked through my pictures and they represented two slightly different 
phases of my bike preferences. I was transitioning away from racing bikes 
and the Romulus was my first foray into into functional steel bikes, and it 
was an open-wheeled club rider relatively "un-enhanced" by luggages and 
fenders. I got the Bleriot after I started riding brevets and it was 
racked, bagged and fendered from day 1. However, I find the handling, 
especially on descents to be pretty similar between the two. I don't know 
if tubing specs are similar. Bleriot could take fatter tires (I rode with 
41mm fatty rumpkins) and that might have a hand in how I felt on the bike 
versus the Romulus.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:33:20 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
> Bleriot?
>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Frames on ebay

[Johnny Alien]

Did someone here get the A/R?

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Michael Hechmer]

I too own both a Ram & a Saluki.  They are both great bikes.  The Ram is 
quicker and faster; the Saluki is just a bit less responsive and a bit more 
comfortable.  I run the Ram with fenders, a front rack & bag, White VBC 
compact double, and 29 mm Grand Bois Cerf tires.  I run the Saluki with 
fenders, front rack & bag, barley saddle bag, DaVinci triple crank and 
Pari-Moto tires.  Whenever I plan to ride decent paved roads I will always 
take the Ram; whenever I plan on lots of liesurly dirt roads, I take the 
Saluki.  When my plans change it doesn't matter because the Ram does fine 
on dirt & the Saluki does fine on pavement.

When I'm in the barn I'm careful what I say, not wanting to stir up bike 
resentment; but out of earshot, I think my converted Trek 620 with Pari 
Motos, does everything the Ram or Saluki can do, except keep me dry in the 
rain.  No dang fenders.

Michael

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
> Bleriot?
>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Lungimsam]

Yes, the title could have been more clear. Sorry about that. Specifically I 
meant to ask if the sliding tang is a design safety vulnerability.

I really want to get a canti brake bike for my next bike to avoid this and 
have a rigid, non-adjustable strutted rack to avoid any rotate-able bolt-on 
stuff for this reason, also better fender and brake clearance.

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

Most sources claim there is not enough cable pull in non-dyna-sys levers to 
shift across the whole cassette. 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 57cm Bleriot and a 58cm Rambouillet. They are two different bikes 
IMO. The Bleriot can handle much wider tires and that gives it an advantage 
on unpaved surfaces. It has a smoother, more comfortable ride although I 
attribute most of that to the wider, softer tires. The RAM is a little more 
responsive.  I've never put much of a front load on either so I can't 
answer that question. 

If I could only own one of them, for my type of riding I think I'd pick the 
Bleriot. Interesting that this question has come up, both bikes have been 
discontinued for at least five years. 

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:

> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
> Bleriot?
>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 04:50 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:

Most sources claim there is not enough cable pull in non-dyna-sys levers to 
shift across the whole cassette.



You obviously are basing that on real-world experience.  What are those 
sources basing the claims on?   AFAIK there's nothing unusual or special 
about the range of an 8 speed bar end shifter.  Perhaps those sources 
never tried?



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[RBW] A winnipeg riv at the start of a 65km charity ride

[Ryan Fleming]

This is my 2001 Curt Goodrich Rivendell Road. Colour is Harvest Gold which 
actually is a really neat colour
 
Picture was taken by the official Cycle on Life charity ride photographer 
at the start of the 65KM loop to Ste Adolpge and back on July 7. My 
partner, Terry, is guarding the bike while I take care of some pre-ride 
business
 
V-brand bar bag
46 Dream Bars w TRP levers and very tarnished Crane bell and ratty cotton 
tape and lugged stem
Wheels - FIR EA60 rims w 90's era Campy C-Record hubs; Pasela 700 X 32 tires
Suntour Superbe ProCrankset; inexpensive Shimano 7-speed freewheel (14 - 
28) w Campy Super-record derailleur and silver shifters
MKS Royal Nuevo pedals, Brooks B-17 Champion Special on Nitto S-83 seatpost
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Matthew J]

> I really want to get a canti brake bike for my next bike to avoid this 
and have a rigid, non-adjustable strutted rack to avoid any rotate-able 
bolt-on stuff for this reason, also better fender and brake clearance.

If you are thinking custom, you should also consider braze on centerpulls 
for the sane reasons.  Especially now with Compass joining Paul on the high 
end.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:20:25 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Yes, the title could have been more clear. Sorry about that. Specifically 
> I meant to ask if the sliding tang is a design safety vulnerability.
>
> I really want to get a canti brake bike for my next bike to avoid this and 
> have a rigid, non-adjustable strutted rack to avoid any rotate-able bolt-on 
> stuff for this reason, also better fender and brake clearance.
>

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

Here a source: 
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friction-shifting-a-dynasys-rear-mech

Just search and you will find more

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

Another nice thing is that it opens up clutch detailer to friction shifting. 
Very nice for trail riding

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Tim Gavin]

This is an interesting discovery.  I agree that clutch derailers are nice
to reduce chain slap.

I'll have to give it a try next time I pick up a 10s Shimano MTB RD.  My
attempt will be friction shifting 9 speeds with a 9 speed bar-end.

Tim

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Another nice thing is that it opens up clutch detailer to friction
> shifting. Very nice for trail riding

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Garth]

I read all the replies there . and it's based only on mathematical 
theory , no one actually testes it real world with any friction shifters.  

While I myself find shifting perfect on standard derailers with it's 2:1 
cable ratio , the friction shifters I use, Sun Tour thumbies , have very a 
generous range .   

As with all things derailers and shifters . . . . there's spec, which is 
limited to the paper it is written on , and there's the real world 
application of it to which limits can and do vary .  Sometimes night and 
day differences !  



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>
> Here a source: 
> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friction-shifting-a-dynasys-rear-mech 
>
> Just search and you will find more

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Garth]

I read all the replies there . and it's based only on mathematical 
theory , no one actually testes it real world with any friction shifters.  

While I myself find shifting perfect on standard derailers with it's 2:1 
cable ratio , the friction shifters I use, Sun Tour thumbies , have very a 
generous range .   

As with all things derailers and shifters . . . . there's spec, which is 
limited to the paper it is written on , and there's the real world 
application of it to which limits can and do vary .  Sometimes night and 
day differences !  



On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 5:23:09 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Here a source: 
> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friction-shifting-a-dynasys-rear-mech 
>
> Just search and you will find more

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Garth]

I read all the replies there . and it's based only on mathematical 
theory , no one actually tested it real world with any friction shifters.  

While I myself find shifting perfect on standard derailers with it's 2:1 
cable ratio , the friction shifters I use, Sun Tour thumbies , have very a 
generous range .   

As with all things derailers and shifters . . . . there's spec, which is 
limited to the paper it is written on , and there's the real world 
application of it to which limits can and do vary .  Sometimes night and 
day differences !  And results will vary from bike to bike .  

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 5:23:09 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Here a source: 
> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friction-shifting-a-dynasys-rear-mech 
>
> Just search and you will find more

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[drew]

are all the sams gone now? good for them. 

i have a sam that fits in the line up as exactly what you're talking about. 
loaded bike is covered, beater is covered. the sam is just a perfectly 
capable all arounder that is really fun to ride on the road or dirt. mine 
is set up minimally, but i like knowing that i could load it up if 
necessary.  im sure the cheviot is equally lovely and capable though.  lots 
of deals arise if youre willing to go used. 

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

I was really surprised myself which is why I am posting it here. Have had 
several mechanics tell me it won't work too.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:34:46 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> I read all the replies there . and it's based only on mathematical 
> theory , no one actually tested it real world with any friction shifters.  
>
> While I myself find shifting perfect on standard derailers with it's 2:1 
> cable ratio , the friction shifters I use, Sun Tour thumbies , have very a 
> generous range .   
>
> As with all things derailers and shifters . . . . there's spec, which is 
> limited to the paper it is written on , and there's the real world 
> application of it to which limits can and do vary .  Sometimes night and 
> day differences !  And results will vary from bike to bike .  
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 5:23:09 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>
>> Here a source: 
>> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friction-shifting-a-dynasys-rear-mech
>>  
>>
>> Just search and you will find more
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 05:34 PM, Garth wrote:
I read all the replies there . and it's based only on mathematical 
theory , no one actually tested it real world with any friction shifters.


Except Clayton!  And for him, it works.

I do seem to remember reading that someone proved mathematically that a 
bumblebee could not fly...





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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 05:38 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
I was really surprised myself which is why I am posting it here. Have 
had several mechanics tell me it won't work too.



And there were a bunch of mechanics who said it was impossible to use 
one of those 11-36 cassettes on a road bike, too.   And it was, right up 
until surprise, it wasn't.  I have a bunch of friends who have them.  
(Of course, you do have to use the right rear derailleur, but it works 
just fine.)


Actually, some years ago now, I had a shop owner tell me it would be 
"professionally irresponsible" for a bike shop to consider installing a 
wide range MTB cassette (back then, I think 12-32 or possibly 11-34) on 
a road bike, that it would be the equivalent of malpractice, and that he 
would fire any employee of his who even entertained the notion.


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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Bill Lindsay]

Wait for what Sams to get back in?

When I go to www.rivbike.com and click on the Sam page, it says "All sizes 
in stock".  I'd recommend buying a Sam right away.  I really like those 
swank black ones.  

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:45:54 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Thanks for the thoughts, everyone.  Googling I could find Sams set up/used 
> in a way I would prefer.  But cheviot builds seemed to lean more towards 
> errand or light touring bikes.  The more I think about it guess I'll either 
> get a san marcos, wait until the sams are back(big plus, I can save instead 
> of doing a sell off), or go used.  I could go test ride a cheviot.  But 
> doubt I'd learn anything.  Any new bike feels exciting and it takes me a 
> few hundred miles before I notice things :p.  
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> I was considering the 51cm Sam, especially the Web special.  But you 
>> snooze you lose.  How does the Cheviot compare?  I wanted a Sam to replace 
>> a typical aluminum 105 equipped road bike, for fun rides short and long 
>> carrying at most light loads, going fastish. The role between my errand 
>> beater bike and  loaded touring bike.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

To quote sheldon: 
   
   - Shimano "Dyna-Sys" 10-speed shifters and derailers use a longer cable 
   pull than other Shimano models, and must be used together.


And from Riv: "FLASH! SRAM's 9, 10, 11sp mountain, Sram 10 and 11sp road; 
Shimano 
mountain 10sp dynasys, Shimano 11sp road (Shimano 10sp Road will sorta work 
but it's hard to dial in the right gear since the cogs are so close); Campy 
10/11sp rear derailers don't seem to work with this shifter. "

the Riv thing refers to their silver shifter, but they actuall do work as 
well - at least for me ;-).

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 07/02/2015 05:38 PM, Clayton.sf wrote: 
> > I was really surprised myself which is why I am posting it here. Have 
> > had several mechanics tell me it won't work too. 
>
>
> And there were a bunch of mechanics who said it was impossible to use 
> one of those 11-36 cassettes on a road bike, too.   And it was, right up 
> until surprise, it wasn't.  I have a bunch of friends who have them.   
> (Of course, you do have to use the right rear derailleur, but it works 
> just fine.) 
>
> Actually, some years ago now, I had a shop owner tell me it would be 
> "professionally irresponsible" for a bike shop to consider installing a 
> wide range MTB cassette (back then, I think 12-32 or possibly 11-34) on 
> a road bike, that it would be the equivalent of malpractice, and that he 
> would fire any employee of his who even entertained the notion. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[Daniel D.]

Other sizes are available but the 51 is definitely sold out.  Even called to 
double check one wasn't hiding out in a nook or cranny.

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[BenG]

This discussion has been helpful for me. Want to carry a big Long bike and a 
tiny Betty Foy, both fendered, and the LBS acted justly by withdrawing their 
offerings.  Looking forward to your review!
Ben

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Re: [RBW] Re: Community

[cyclotourist]

The last homely house.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> This really is a great bunch of folks.  It's a very homely space.
>
>>
>> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>>
>> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
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[RBW] Final time. FS: SimpleOne 58cm, has to go

[Justin August]

So It's a 58cm SimpleOne.

Tange headset

Wheel set is velocity unbranded track hubs to SunCR18 rims with Soma C line 
terracota tires.

Surly dingle 17/21

Freewheel 17t

Sugino somethingP TRIPLE with black FSA guard, two rings

All that for $750 + real shipping (I’ll ship first, then invoice you for 
cost)

There are pics of the frame here 
https://flickr.com/photos/86714991@N00/sets/72157646060803134

It's got some goo on it hat should come off with lighter fluids, I just 
have done it yet.


Possible includes (go shopping! Will be giving first priority to whomever 
buys the frame/fork/headset/wheelset)

Black Paul Cantis Neo-Retro front, Touring rear. New Kool-Stop Thinline 
pads $100

Black Paul brake levers. $50

SOMA Layback Post, BLACK - $25

Thomson 0 setback post chopped off to fit the frame, SILVER $25

SOMA Sutra stem 100mm, BLACK $35

Brooks Cambium C17s (missing the nose rivet) $70

SKS/ESGE Long cream fenders from Rivendell $35

Jitensha Bars $45

Nitto x Fair-weather 42cm (similar to Noodle but shallower drop) $50

Shimano Brake Levers $25

SRAM brake levers, BLACK alloy levers $40




I've been hesitant to sell before but have finally made peace with it.


-Justin

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Simple1

[Justin August]

So It's a 58cm SimpleOne.

Tange headset

Wheel set is velocity unbranded track hubs to SunCR18 rims with Soma C line 
terracota tires.

Surly dingle 17/21

Freewheel 17t

Sugino somethingP TRIPLE with black FSA guard, two rings

All that for $750 + real shipping (I’ll ship first, then invoice you for 
cost)

There are pics of the frame here 
https://flickr.com/photos/86714991@N00/sets/72157646060803134

It's got some goo on it hat should come off with lighter fluids, I just 
have done it yet.


Possible includes (go shopping! Will be giving first priority to whomever 
buys the frame/fork/headset/wheelset)

Black Paul Cantis Neo-Retro front, Touring rear. New Kool-Stop Thinline 
pads $100

Black Paul brake levers. $50

SOMA Layback Post, BLACK - $25

Thomson 0 setback post chopped off to fit the frame, SILVER $25

SOMA Sutra stem 100mm, BLACK $35

Brooks Cambium C17s (missing the nose rivet) $70

SKS/ESGE Long cream fenders from Rivendell $35

Jitensha Bars $45

Nitto x Fair-weather 42cm (similar to Noodle but shallower drop) $50

Shimano Brake Levers $25

SRAM brake levers, BLACK alloy levers $40




I've been hesitant to sell before but have finally made peace with it.


-Justin, Oakland

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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Lungimsam]

I'm thinking cantis, so there is nothing but air between the tire and fork 
crown, in which to mount fenders as high as possible, and to be able to 
mount a rack through the fork crown without having to bend a 
tang over/under sidepull/centerpull calipers.

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[RBW] Anyone riding PBP on a Riv this year?

[Lungimsam]

Just wundrin'.

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Re: [RBW] Anyone riding PBP on a Riv this year?

[Eric Norris]

 I *was* going to ride my Bleriot this time, until an Alex Singer fell into my 
lap a few months ago.

Rode PBP on my Quickbeam in ’07.

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> On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
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> Just wundrin'.
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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Tom Harrop]

So, ah, what's the benefit of a dyna-sys RD for a mountain bike? I'm not being 
sarcastic, I googled it but couldn't really understand through all the 
marketing... 

Does dyna-sys equal clutch derailer? Is the idea to get better chain tension on 
bumpy bits? Could you just put a clutch derailer on a friction-shifted 8sp 
cassette or do you need other special bits?

Thanks

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 05:55 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:

To quote sheldon:

  * Shimano "Dyna-Sys" 10-speed shifters and derailers use a longer
cable pull than other Shimano models, and must be used together.


And from Riv: "FLASH! SRAM's 9, 10, 11sp mountain, Sram 10 and 11sp 
road; Shimano mountain 10sp dynasys, Shimano 11sp road (Shimano 10sp 
Road will sorta work but it's hard to dial in the right gear since the 
cogs are so close); Campy 10/11sp rear derailers don't seem to work 
with this shifter. "


the Riv thing refers to their silver shifter, but they actuall do work 
as well - at least for me ;-).




I think it probably takes exceptional skill to friction shift 10. If 
you've got it, flaunt it.


Next up, 11!


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[RBW] Re: Community

[Joe Bernard]

It's a lovely place, don't you think? I've been around from the beginning, 
and off-and-on at iBob since 2000 when I got my first computer. My first 
forays into internet-dom were with this vibe, and I later learned it's a 
very rare thing. I'm glad to know you all.

Joe "who refuses to search the archives from his early days for fear of 
finding what madness he was spouting" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 2:27:50 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

> Hi friends, Just a note to again say how much this group means to me.  I 
> think of the care and concern with which regard each other, the 
> helpfulness, the kind tone, the generosity given online and off—it is 
> really something special.  Parts broken or lost?  Someone might send you 
> one.  Bike stolen?  Alerts go out.  Recovering from surgery?  Empathy, 
> advice, and well wishes offered.  Flumoxed by a technical problem?  Many 
> solutions expounded upon (some even might work!)  Need advice about a 
> route?  Someone's ridden it.  Recovered your stolen bike? Cheers erupt. A 
> member of our own passes?  Hearts break.  Someone forgets and snarks a tiny 
> bit?  We all forgive and admit it's just the dregs of winter.  Wondering if 
> anyone's posted in the past hour?  One of the Patricks to the rescue! Buy a 
> bag from a lister?  They might just give it to you as a kindness for a long 
> forgotten post.
>
> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>
> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
>

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[RBW] Re: Community

[dougP]

Liesl:

Thanks for reminding us of these special qualities.  I think it all starts 
with the wonderful treatment we've received from the good people at RBWHQ, 
and we carry that forward.  

dougP

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 2:27:50 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends, Just a note to again say how much this group means to me.  I 
> think of the care and concern with which regard each other, the 
> helpfulness, the kind tone, the generosity given online and off—it is 
> really something special.  Parts broken or lost?  Someone might send you 
> one.  Bike stolen?  Alerts go out.  Recovering from surgery?  Empathy, 
> advice, and well wishes offered.  Flumoxed by a technical problem?  Many 
> solutions expounded upon (some even might work!)  Need advice about a 
> route?  Someone's ridden it.  Recovered your stolen bike? Cheers erupt. A 
> member of our own passes?  Hearts break.  Someone forgets and snarks a tiny 
> bit?  We all forgive and admit it's just the dregs of winter.  Wondering if 
> anyone's posted in the past hour?  One of the Patricks to the rescue! Buy a 
> bag from a lister?  They might just give it to you as a kindness for a long 
> forgotten post.
>
> Truly, this community is special and I treasure these relationships.
>
> with love, Riv Chica Warrior
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned both (plus their twins, Romulus and Saluki), and think there's a 
slight bias towards tight-switchback-roads responsiveness to the 700c 
bikes, but not enough that you would notice a difference after a month of 
replacing one with the other. They all have that magic Riv ride which - in 
car terms - seems to meld the floating comfort of an old Chevy Impala with 
the lithe turning ability of a Porsche. I honestly don't know how Grant 
does it. 

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:33:20 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
> Bleriot?
>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

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[RBW] Re: For fans of the Bleriot

[Joe Bernard]

As the kids would say, that's hella cool, Eric ;)

Joe Bernard
@JosephRemiB

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 8:47:11 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

>
>
>   *classicretro *(@classicretro )
>
> 7/2/15, 4:19 AM 
> 
>
>
> Poster 1910 *pic.twitter.com/LA69jVPZCs* 
>   
> *via Tweetbot* 
>   
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>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

Most new shimano rear ders are now dynasys. Some of them come with the clutch 
others don't. You nothing else to use the clutch. It is compatible with a 
normal cassette. It does increase chain tension. Great for 1x drivtrains but 
also nice to reduce chains lap in general.

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[RBW] Re: Altus rear derailer = upgrade from DeerHead

[Joe Bernard]

My dream is to deck out a custom lugged steel frame with full Dura-Ace STI, 
then ditch the D-A rear mech for a gigantic heavy Altus just so I can tilt 
my beret rakishly when I asked "Why?" and answer, "Well sir. I like it." ;)

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The true essence of foppishness is self-awareness and excessively 
> deliberate fine-tuning of one's appearance.  Somebody who turns the tiniest 
> detail of one's bicycle into an event worthy of showing-off is a bicycle 
> fop.  So, me showing off a cheap derailer is the utter definition of 
> foppishness.  Hey, look at me!  I'm using a cheap derailer and it works 
> great!  
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 7:42:00 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> ... but can one truly embrace Altus without sacrificing one's 
>> foppishness?  I'm scared, Bill... need affirmation...
>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Patrick Moore]

Some Rams will take at least 32s and possibly 35s and fenders. When I put
35 Kojaks on mine, there was still a great deal of room under bridges and
crown and between fork legs and stays.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  On 07/02/2015 03:33 PM, Lungimsam wrote:
> > 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> I owned a Rambouillet and a Saluki, Bleriot's older and fancier twin.
> They both have a characteristic, identifieable "this is a Rivendell" ride;
> however since the Saluki can fit 42mm Hetres (I did, and I believe Tony,
> the current owner does too) there's that typical, wonderful "every road is
> a smooth road" silkiness to the ride of the Saluki that the Rambouillet,
> limited as it is to 28 mm tires (with fenders) can't begin to come close to.
>
> Also: the Saluki is a great bike on gravel roads, as long as the grade
> doesn't get up into the teens and beyond.  There's a lot of wheel flop, and
> climbing a 14% grade on gravel in a 22" gear it's hard to maintain
> directional stability.  With 28mm tires the Rambouillet for me was entirely
> unsuitable for gravel, full stop.
>
> >
> > 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the
> > 650b Bleriot?
>
> See above re: ride.  But note, the geometry of the Rambouillet and the
> Saluki are very different.  73 degree head angle with the Rambouillet vs 71
> degree with the Saluki.  That will have as much of an effect as the
> difference in tire size.
>
>
>
> >
> > 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
> >
>
> I never carried a load on the front of the Rambouillet.  The Saluki had
> fittings for a rack, and I had a Berthoud rack on mine (yes, /that/ one).
> Because the (largest size Berthoud) bag was supported on a rack low down,
> it handled loads fairly well, with just one exception.  Comparing the
> Saluki to the MAP Randonneur that replaced it, with the same weight of load
> when straightening up from a turn with the Saluki it felt as though I was
> lifting the load with the handlebars.  With the MAP you really don't feel
> the load at all.
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[RBW] Re: Community

[Liesl]

Yes, it stems from Riv itself. Hey, why not consider buying a yoyo with your 
next order and help buy the merry rivsters lunch! Erin and I got ours in the 
mail today and we're 'walkin' the dog' for sure. It is part of that care for 
community that  permeates Riv.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell Atlantis - 58cm

[dougP]

Eric:

Recently there was a 56 on the bob list   The 56 & 58 overlap in PBH, so if 
you're at the lower end of the PBH range for a 58 a 56 may be worth a 
look.  It will also depend on what tires you intend to use.  The 56 is 
26".  

I have a 58 with 40 mm 700c, and another list member has a 56 with 2.35 
(??) 26".  We've swapped bikes for a short ride & they were darn close, 
even without changing seat or bar heights.  I've also ridden a 61 cm 
Atlantis with 45 mm Smart Sams, and while it was a bit of a reach was 
perfectly rideable.  A lot depends on where your PBH falls in Riv's size 
ranges.

Good luck in your search.  

dougP

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 11:20:09 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Bump! Still looking...
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[RBW] Re: Whidbey Island Rides

[stonehog]

Darin - Here is a northern loop route. 
 http://ridewithgps.com/routes/8831728

I'll be up there tonight through Sunday, but getting a real ride in this 
weekend is looking tenuous at best.  

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 8:15:17 AM UTC-7, Darin G. wrote:
>
> This high desert rider will be visiting Whidbey Island in Washington next 
> month and would like some ride recommendations.  We will be staying near 
> Coupeville.  Looking for medium length rides--30-50 miles with interesting 
> views, quite roads and perhaps an interesting place to stop and refuel. 
>  Also, any ideas for other activities would be appreciated.  I've been 
> there before but only in the fall and winter, so I'm looking forward to 
> experiencing the northwest at its summer best!
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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[Clayton.sf]

Dynasys is only for mtb. Just to clarify. 

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Re: [RBW] A winnipeg riv at the start of a 65km charity ride

[cyclotourist]

That color has always been one of my top pics! Almost veered that way in 2001!

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Ryan Fleming
 wrote:
> This is my 2001 Curt Goodrich Rivendell Road. Colour is Harvest Gold which
> actually is a really neat colour
>
> Picture was taken by the official Cycle on Life charity ride photographer at
> the start of the 65KM loop to Ste Adolpge and back on July 7. My partner,
> Terry, is guarding the bike while I take care of some pre-ride business
>
> V-brand bar bag
> 46 Dream Bars w TRP levers and very tarnished Crane bell and ratty cotton
> tape and lugged stem
> Wheels - FIR EA60 rims w 90's era Campy C-Record hubs; Pasela 700 X 32 tires
> Suntour Superbe ProCrankset; inexpensive Shimano 7-speed freewheel (14 - 28)
> w Campy Super-record derailleur and silver shifters
> MKS Royal Nuevo pedals, Brooks B-17 Champion Special on Nitto S-83 seatpost
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[RBW] Seersucker shirts

['Beth Hamon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So I became a believer of riding in LS seersucker shirts on warm days last 
year. Since then, I've been on the lookout for seersuckers that don't cost an 
arm and a leg. Found an eBay seller with some NOS seersuckers shirts at a 
really decent price. I've got two from him and they are really comfy on the 
bike. Check it out here if you're interested. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161743660652?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&var=460720180194&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Beth in PDX, where it's 97F at 5pm

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Re: [RBW] A winnipeg riv at the start of a 65km charity ride

[Ryan Fleming]

yeah...it worked out; it's an unusual color and the only bike of its kind 
at this ridewhich was Jun 7...not July 7. Colour varies quite  a bit 
adccording to light conditions
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 7:18:55 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> That color has always been one of my top pics! Almost veered that way in 
> 2001! 
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Ryan Fleming 
> > wrote: 
> > This is my 2001 Curt Goodrich Rivendell Road. Colour is Harvest Gold 
> which 
> > actually is a really neat colour 
> > 
> > Picture was taken by the official Cycle on Life charity ride 
> photographer at 
> > the start of the 65KM loop to Ste Adolpge and back on July 7. My 
> partner, 
> > Terry, is guarding the bike while I take care of some pre-ride business 
> > 
> > V-brand bar bag 
> > 46 Dream Bars w TRP levers and very tarnished Crane bell and ratty 
> cotton 
> > tape and lugged stem 
> > Wheels - FIR EA60 rims w 90's era Campy C-Record hubs; Pasela 700 X 32 
> tires 
> > Suntour Superbe ProCrankset; inexpensive Shimano 7-speed freewheel (14 - 
> 28) 
> > w Campy Super-record derailleur and silver shifters 
> > MKS Royal Nuevo pedals, Brooks B-17 Champion Special on Nitto S-83 
> seatpost 
> > 
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[RBW] Super Foppin' with the Tweedster!

[WETH]

Liesl,
Oh my, I don't know much about foppishness, but that Saluki is gorgeous!  I 
love the red and how well the tweed complements.  Just lovely!
-Erl

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot compared to Sam Hillborne?

[murphyjrfk]

I hate to "rub it in" but I grabbed one of the last chance sage Sam's. (it 
helps to be color blind-i'll take anything-my wife says it's lovely). I was on 
the fence between the two but in the end I thought well I could maybe use drops 
w the sam and not really w the chev-even though I haven't used drops in years 
and probably won't. And saving 200 helps too! It really is one of the best 
bikes I've ever ridden...so perfectly neutral and quicker than I thought. I've 
ridden it every day now for a few weeks and it's just-dang perfect. I'm sure 
the Chev is top notch too-maybe one day. Can't go wrong but man if ya get a 
chance on the sam snag it- it's awesome!

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[RBW] Re: Community

[Evan E.]

Thanks, Liesl, for saying what I feel about this group but am too bashful 
to say.

Great idea to buy a yoyo to fund Riv staff lunches. 

Evan

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/02/2015 07:53 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Some Rams will take at least 32s and possibly 35s and fenders. When I 
put 35 Kojaks on mine, there was still a great deal of room under 
bridges and crown and between fork legs and stays.


Mine was one of the first orange ones.  I have no experience with the 
later ones.  It was, as I described, limited to 28mm with fenders.  
However, the true, actual choke point was the Shimano long reach dual 
pivot sidepull brakes, which did not on their own open wide enough to 
even clear a 28 mm tire.






On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


On 07/02/2015 03:33 PM, Lungimsam wrote:
> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?

I owned a Rambouillet and a Saluki, Bleriot's older and fancier
twin.  They both have a characteristic, identifieable "this is a
Rivendell" ride; however since the Saluki can fit 42mm Hetres (I
did, and I believe Tony, the current owner does too) there's that
typical, wonderful "every road is a smooth road" silkiness to the
ride of the Saluki that the Rambouillet, limited as it is to 28 mm
tires (with fenders) can't begin to come close to.

Also: the Saluki is a great bike on gravel roads, as long as the
grade doesn't get up into the teens and beyond. There's a lot of
wheel flop, and climbing a 14% grade on gravel in a 22" gear it's
hard to maintain directional stability.  With 28mm tires the
Rambouillet for me was entirely unsuitable for gravel, full stop.

>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the
> 650b Bleriot?

See above re: ride.  But note, the geometry of the Rambouillet and
the Saluki are very different.  73 degree head angle with the
Rambouillet vs 71 degree with the Saluki.  That will have as much
of an effect as the difference in tire size.



>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

I never carried a load on the front of the Rambouillet.  The
Saluki had fittings for a rack, and I had a Berthoud rack on mine
(yes, /that/ one).  Because the (largest size Berthoud) bag was
supported on a rack low down, it handled loads fairly well, with
just one exception.  Comparing the Saluki to the MAP Randonneur
that replaced it, with the same weight of load when straightening
up from a turn with the Saluki it felt as though I was lifting the
load with the handlebars.  With the MAP you really don't feel the
load at all.



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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[iamkeith]

Darn it.  I wish you'd posted this about a week ago.  I just purchased some 
components for a Dynashift setup on my new mountain bike.   As you mention, 
the clutch derailleur was the main thing I wanted to gain, but the 40 tooth 
rear cog is pretty appealing, too.  Mostly though, I'm just sort of getting 
tired of putting so much effort into sourcing discontinued parts, mixing 
and matching brands and series, and otherwise generally hacking the 
system.  This will be the first time in as long as long as I can remember 
that I went all-modern.   (Though I guess 10 speed is no longer 
"state-of-the-art," with the advent of 11 speed.).  For mid to mid-high 
level components, like XT, its also starting to seem like its cheaper to 
just get whatever is current.

Just out of principal though, I did spring for some dynasys-specific 
Microshift thumbies with a friction mode, and a Whipperman chain with a 
real master-link.

Regarding internet rumors and mechanics' claims about the feasibility of 
what you achieved, Clayton:   I too have read many times that it would not 
be impossible,  but the main reason was the notion that the tension on the 
derailleur is so much higher that it would overpower the older shifter.  
Interesting that this isn't an issue.  Also interesting that the 8 speed 
chain fits ok within the narrower 10 speed pulley cage!

Thanks for posting this!

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Re: [RBW] Friction Shifting Dyna-sys

[iamkeith]

Sorry - that's "I too have read that it would not be POSSIBLE."

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 8:28:55 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Darn it.  I wish you'd posted this about a week ago.  I just 
> purchased some components for a Dynashift setup on my new mountain bike.   
> As you mention, the clutch derailleur was the main thing I wanted to gain, 
> but the 40 tooth rear cog is pretty appealing, too.  Mostly though, I'm 
> just sort of getting tired of putting so much effort into sourcing 
> discontinued parts, mixing and matching brands and series, and otherwise 
> generally hacking the system.  This will be the first time in as long as 
> long as I can remember that I went all-modern.   (Though I guess 10 speed 
> is no longer "state-of-the-art," with the advent of 11 speed.).  For mid to 
> mid-high level components, like XT, its also starting to seem like its 
> cheaper to just get whatever is current.
>
> Just out of principal though, I did spring for some dynasys-specific 
> Microshift thumbies with a friction mode, and a Whipperman chain with a 
> real master-link.
>
> Regarding internet rumors and mechanics' claims about the feasibility of 
> what you achieved, Clayton:   I too have read many times that it would not 
> be impossible,  but the main reason was the notion that the tension on the 
> derailleur is so much higher that it would overpower the older shifter.  
> Interesting that this isn't an issue.  Also interesting that the 8 speed 
> chain fits ok within the narrower 10 speed pulley cage!
>
> Thanks for posting this!
>

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[RBW] I can't get the shifting dialed in

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm so frustrated with my drive train. I had Shimano 9 speed bar ends with a 
front triple. They worked great in index mode. The indexing got finicky so I 
switched to friction. It worked well for a bit then the "ghost shifting" 
started. I switched to Silver bar ends. They feel great but I just can't get 
them dialed in. I've worked on it it, I took it to my LBS and they tuned it up, 
but it still doesn't shift right. I had them check for a bent derailer hanger 
and they said it wasn't. When I shift to the two or three lowest (biggest) 
cogs, it will not stay on that cog. The problem is worse when I am going from 
higher to lower gear. If I mess with the shifter it will finally stay in gear, 
but it's really frustrating, especially when riding lots of rollers. I can't 
descend a roller and then hit the gear I need for the climb. It always skips 
out. If I do slight adjustments to the cable tension the best I can do is move 
the problem from the lowest end of the gears to the middle part. It's driving 
me crazy! By the way, all of the parts, chain rings, cassette, and chain, are 
new (they were all bought at the same time and now have around 1500-1700km on 
them. Any ideas? Please!?!?

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Re: [RBW] Anyone riding PBP on a Riv this year?

[Joe Bunik]

I know of at least one brand spankin' new, 63cm AHH should be among the field.

=- Joe Bunik
not my 63cm AHH
Walnut Creek, CA


On 7/2/15, Eric Norris  wrote:
>  I *was* going to ride my Bleriot this time, until an Alex Singer fell into
> my lap a few months ago.
>
> Rode PBP on my Quickbeam in ’07.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
>> On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>>
>> Just wundrin'.
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[RBW] WTT: my M Moleskin MUSA for your S of same

[Allan in Portland]

Reckon it can't hurt to ask.

Thanks,
-Allan

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[RBW] Re: Are all blue Rambouillets 700c, and another frame question?

[iamkeith]

Both 50 and 52 are 26 for sure.   I don't know about 54.  My wife has a 50, 
if you want me to take any measurements or photos.   I'm sort of getting 
the feeling, between these two threads, that you're considering buying 
one???   

My wife loves hers.  I think it's really perfectly proportioned, too 
-  when I look at it, I can't even imagine how you'd make a bike this 
size work with 700c wheels, unless the headtube shrunk to the point that 
the top tube and down tube lugs overlapped each other.   She has never 
complained about TCO either, which is great for someone that rides only 
occasionally, and is something that I can only attribute to the smaller 
wheel.

I've never heard of any "problems" with the smaller sizes, so I'm not sure 
what to say about that.   Both of our Rams (her 50 and my 60) are from the 
later end of the run.  I think hers has slightly less tire clearance than 
mine, but she doesn't like fenders so its not an issue.Still, she runs 
1.25 (35) pasellas with clearance for miles, and has also run 1.6 (42) 
Marathon Supremes - though they had to be aired-down to fit past the 
calipers.  

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 4:53:06 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've seen blue 26-inchers..I believe all 50cm Rams came that way. I'm less 
> sure about 52s. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> 1. Are all blue Rambouillets 700c?
>> 2. At what size do you start getting into (if any on these bikes) 
>> the "problems" of small sized bikes? 52? 50?
>> I notice they have different rakes, CS lengths, head tube tilt, and drop 
>> than the other sizes.
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/17.html
>> 3. Was there a distinctive run of frames that suffered from cracked rear 
>> side chainstay/dropouts that should be avoided? I have heard a couple times 
>> on this forum of this happening and was wondering if anyone knows if there 
>> were enough broken stays to amount to a design flaw.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Seat post 27.2 plus Weinmann 750s or Mafac Racers

[Christopher Murray]

I am 90% sure that I have a seat post- let me check the bin. If I do you are 
welcome to it for free. I may also have some brakes. I saved an old Trek from 
the rubbish heap but the frame isn't rideable so it is really just parts. 
Again, if there is something you want you can have it gratis. Give me a day to 
send you some pics.

Cheers and happy 4th!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I suggest you take a look at these Sport Rider racks:
:
http://www.modernbike.com/hollywood-racks-hitch-racks

 

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 5:52:05 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have been riding bikes with fenders for about 15 years now and have only 
> found one downside - they often don't play well with racks, neither locking 
> racks nor car racks.
>
> We have a Saris  TBones Hitch rack on our Prius and I found it worked well 
> with both my Saluki or Ram and Pat's Sequoia.  However I have never liked 
> having the weight of the bikes up that high with the additional stress it 
> puts on the rack and hitch.  Now Pat has switched to riding a Betty with 
> Albatross bars and I am always struggling to make the two bikes fit.  It is 
> doable as a two person job.  I bought and tried one of these parallel TT 
> but it made the situation worse. It's a challenge to get the her handle 
> bars & my front rackto clear.  Likewise my bars & her rear rack.  Since 
> both bikes have racks & fenders, they are fairly heavy as bike go today but 
> still within the racks spec.  Still the vertical support flexes some under 
> load.
>
> So... I have been looking at a new hitch racks, especially ones where the 
> bikes sit in a well and get clamped around the tire.  Does anyone have 
> experience with these to share?  Do you have to put the top clamp around 
> the tire, or is it OK to put it over the fender?  The Yakima rack 
> installation instructions specifically say to put the top hook within 2" of 
> the fork, which clearly rules out using it with any top rack, like my 
> Mark's mini.  The Saris instructions don't say that is necessary, but the 
> video on their web site shows them setting it up that way.  Finally, how 
> close together are the wells; is there sufficient space for Albatross bars?
>
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone riding PBP on a Riv this year?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm taking my 63cm Hilsen. I've done the SR series last year and just completed 
this year's SR. It's got a Son dynamo, Luxos U, dynamo taillight, large 
Berthoud bag on a Mark's rack, Brooks B17, Noodle bars, Silver bar ends. It's a 
very Rivish ride. 

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