[RBW] FS: Selle Anatomica Titantica X Brown $65

[Marc Irwin]

Used for a season and 1/2.  In very good shape.   $65 including USPS 
Priority shipping.
Payment via Google Wallet, check or MO.  I don't do paypal.

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[RBW] Re: IS YOUR STATE,TOWN,,BUSINESSES, UNIVERSITIES BIKE FRIENDLY ?

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

I think it's interesting that the rating is process-based rather than 
outcome-based.  By Outcome measures, for example, my city--New 
Haven--should br in the silver category, above the mean.  But it's bronze 
because (for example) it doesn't have a BPAC.  See the report card excerpt 
attached.


On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 5:41:10 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman in the 
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[RBW] Re: IS YOUR STATE,TOWN,,BUSINESSES, UNIVERSITIES BIKE FRIENDLY ?

[Garth]

  
Here is always bike friendly :)   Regardless !  

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[RBW] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Patrick Moore]

I just ordered a multi-year stock of the Elk Pass. The Rat Trap Pass looks
particularly nice; wish it came in a 700C version.


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The four new Compass tires are in stock now! They are the Rat Trap Pass
(26″ x 54 mm), Switchback Hill (650B x 48 mm), Bon Jon Pass (700C x 35 mm),
and Elk Pass (26″ x 1.25″).
The *Rat Trap Pass* (above) is the ultimate expression of our new Enduro
Allroad tires. With its 54 mm width, it is incredibly plush on rough
gravel, yet thanks to the smaller 26″ wheel size, it has the same
rotational inertia as a medium-width 700C tire, and thus handles like a
good road tire on pavement.

The Rat Trap Pass has already proven itself in this year’s
*Paris-Brest-Paris*, where it provided wonderful comfort and security for a
tandem team on the rough roads of Brittany.
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after the first major climb in the *Oregon Outback* gravel race, the extra
floatation gives you more speed and security when the going gets really
rough. 30% of the *Oregon Outback* is on pavement, so we designed this tire
to roll as fast and grip as well as a good racing tire. With this tire, you
truly have the best of both worlds. The Switchback Hill also can transform
the performance of your 27.5″ mountain bike on gravel or paved roads.

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The* Bon Jon Pass *is our Goldilocks tire: at 700C x 35 mm, it fits bikes
that have extra clearance around the Stampede Pass (32 mm), but not enough
space for a Barlow Pass (38mm).

Whether smooth gravel or rough pavement, the Bon Jon Pass will make your
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tire ever made, this likely is it. Not only does it weigh just 178 g, but
it uses the Compass Extralight casing and our ultra-sticky tread rubber for
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In addition to the new tires, we've resupplied our existing offerings. This
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[RBW] Brake reach for 47cm Soma San Marcos

[Nanga Parbat]

Hello All,
I planning a new San Marcos build for my wife and want to go with center 
pull brakes based on their reported better modulation. After reading the 
specs, flyer information and viewing this 
http://www.cyclesymphony.com/blog/?p=914 build with Riv Silver 73mm dual 
pivot brakes, there seems to be a possibility that center pulls may not 
reach. The photos show the rear brake pads extended as low as possible and 
the front pads as high as possible. I would like to build the San Marcos 
with Paul Racer's and am not opposed to using different front and rear 
brakes as I feel the front brake pad in the link looks to be not ideal, 
pushed to the top of the opening. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Brake reach for 47cm Soma San Marcos

[Philip Kim]

Yep,

I think the 1st gen had brake reach weirdness. I remember seeing one on the 
web in 51cm that used Paul Racers in the rear, but the front fork had to 
use a different brake.

I think the tiburon blue was able to use Paul Racer in the 650b sizes. I 
mean essentially they were a tweaked geometry of Hillbornes. I have one of 
the new Sage Green 650b Hillborne riding Paul Racers front and rear. Always 
good to check with Riv. Also would ask American Cyclery too. I wish 
companies would be like Riv and give the exact brake reach instead of a 
range.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:11:28 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Which San Marcos frame are you buying?   The link shows the first 
 generation (robin's egg blue pearl) frame, which has been out of production 
 for a year.  The current generation (sage blue pearl) has some tweaks and 
 may have addressed the rear brake reach issue you noticed.

 Also, which size of San Marcos?  The smaller sizes are for 650b and the 
 larger sizes are for 700c wheels.  The brake reach issue may only exist on 
 one of the two size runs.

 I'd advise that you call Rivendell and ask.  They should be able to 
 measure a SM in stock for the brake reach, so you'll know if the 67 mm 
 reach of the Paul Racers will work.

 FYI, I've used both Silver/559 and Paul Racer centerpulls on my 
 650b-converted Riv Road.  I didn't find the Pauls to provide any better 
 stopping power than the Silvers; in fact I find the Racers to be a tad more 
 mushy.  But, the Racers are much better for fender clearance, so I use 
 them. 

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 I planning a new San Marcos build for my wife and want to go with center 
 pull brakes based on their reported better modulation. After reading the 
 specs, flyer information and viewing this 
 http://www.cyclesymphony.com/blog/?p=914 build with Riv Silver 73mm dual 
 pivot brakes, there seems to be a possibility that center pulls may not 
 reach. The photos show the rear brake pads extended as low as possible and 
 the front pads as high as possible. I would like to build the San Marcos 
 with Paul Racer's and am not opposed to using different front and rear 
 brakes as I feel the front brake pad in the link looks to be not ideal, 
 pushed to the top of the opening. Thanks in advance.
 Cheers,
 Scott

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[RBW] Bike Traffic dilemmas of the future today

[Deacon Patrick]

Fascinating. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2015/08/26/how-fixed-gear-bikes-can-confuse-googles-self-driving-cars/

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.OurHolyConception.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: IS YOUR STATE,TOWN,,BUSINESSES, UNIVERSITIES BIKE FRIENDLY ?

[Patrick Moore]

I wonder how accurate and consistent the rating is. I see that Santa Fe is
rated Silver and Albuquerque and Las Cruces bronze. What are the criteria?
Are they consistent?

The points listed under each city aren't the same; ABQ's % of street with
bike facilities isn't included; only Las Cruces' profile is included;
they list two different populations for Albuquerque,  448600 and 565000.

I've not spent much time in Santa Fe in the last decade, but what I've seen
is that, because of Santa Fe's very congested condition, cycling on roads
involves considerably more crowding with cars than it does in Albuquerque.

I wonder if the ratings are not rather mechanical -- tabulating certain
features against miles of road or population -- rather than reflecting the
real ease or lack of ease of real-world riding in an area.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:55 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow. Pittsburgh netted bronze category and yet PA made #12?

 So many people commute to Pittsburgh by car from surrounding areas that
 much of the traffic is not the city's population. Some of those measurables
 may reflect commitment they weigh positively but some are not universally
 deemed good in all communities. I'd rather have more informed and
 accommodating drivers on the road around me than designated bike lanes
 forcing all riders, both directions, into a very small and physically
 unprotected space on the road with ignorant, confused or uninformed
 drivers.

 I've had a much better than bronze experience commuting and recreationally
 riding over the last dozen years than this survey implies. We have the
 western end of the GAP trail here which knits into several bike-only or
 very bike friendly routes to move all around town with ease. I like that I
 can commute or go on an epic ride (single or multiple day) without taking
 my bike for a long drive first. I can't remember the last time I used my
 roof rack for going to a ride.

 No good way to quantify local cycling culture objectively, so I guess
 their results reflect what they could compare and defend statistically.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Philip Kim]

Is this a typo? Because I thought it was supposed to be 54-55mm, which 
means 2.1ish.

Also, I remember reading these actually measured out to be 50mm on their 
prototype. I wonder if they resolved that, but I don't know anything about 
the tire molding process and how easy/difficult it is to change specs.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:

 I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3 width.  There are a lot of touring bikes 
 that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 559 wheel 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Jeff Lesperance]

The copy on the page where these are for sale (
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/26-inch/compass-26-x-2-3-rat-trap-pass/)
contains the conflicting measurement info:

Compass 26″ x 2.3″ Rat Trap Pass

...

The Rat Trap Pass (26″ x 54mm)

I also recall that actual measured width was reported to be closer to 50mm.
I ordered up a pair to see if they'll fit on my Handsome XOXO, which has
handled 2.1 semi-knobbies with a bit of wiggle room. If they don't fit my
10-year old is going to have the fanciest tires in the 'hood

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Philip Kim philipw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is this a typo? Because I thought it was supposed to be 54-55mm, which
 means 2.1ish.

 Also, I remember reading these actually measured out to be 50mm on their
 prototype. I wonder if they resolved that, but I don't know anything about
 the tire molding process and how easy/difficult it is to change specs.

 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:

 I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3 width.  There are a lot of touring bikes
 that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 559 wheel
 size, we're talking mountain bike.




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[RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[EGNolan]

Jeff,
Please update us once you know whether/how they fit. I've got an XOXO as 
well and would love to know how it goes.

Best,
Eric

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

 The copy on the page where these are for sale (
 https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/26-inch/compass-26-x-2-3-rat-trap-pass/) 
 contains the conflicting measurement info:

 Compass 26″ x 2.3″ Rat Trap Pass

 ...

 The Rat Trap Pass (26″ x 54mm)

 I also recall that actual measured width was reported to be closer to 
 50mm. I ordered up a pair to see if they'll fit on my Handsome XOXO, which 
 has handled 2.1 semi-knobbies with a bit of wiggle room. If they don't fit 
 my 10-year old is going to have the fanciest tires in the 'hood

 -Jeff
 Silver Spring, MD

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 javascript: wrote:

 Is this a typo? Because I thought it was supposed to be 54-55mm, which 
 means 2.1ish.

 Also, I remember reading these actually measured out to be 50mm on their 
 prototype. I wonder if they resolved that, but I don't know anything about 
 the tire molding process and how easy/difficult it is to change specs.

 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:

 I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3 width.  There are a lot of touring bikes 
 that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 559 wheel 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Ginz]

I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3 width.  There are a lot of touring bikes 
that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 559 wheel 
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[RBW] Re: IS YOUR STATE,TOWN,,BUSINESSES, UNIVERSITIES BIKE FRIENDLY ?

[ascpgh]

Wow. Pittsburgh netted bronze category and yet PA made #12?

So many people commute to Pittsburgh by car from surrounding areas that 
much of the traffic is not the city's population. Some of those measurables 
may reflect commitment they weigh positively but some are not universally 
deemed good in all communities. I'd rather have more informed and 
accommodating drivers on the road around me than designated bike lanes 
forcing all riders, both directions, into a very small and physically 
unprotected space on the road with ignorant, confused or uninformed 
drivers. 

I've had a much better than bronze experience commuting and recreationally 
riding over the last dozen years than this survey implies. We have the 
western end of the GAP trail here which knits into several bike-only or 
very bike friendly routes to move all around town with ease. I like that I 
can commute or go on an epic ride (single or multiple day) without taking 
my bike for a long drive first. I can't remember the last time I used my 
roof rack for going to a ride. 

No good way to quantify local cycling culture objectively, so I guess their 
results reflect what they could compare and defend statistically. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

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foothills of Colorado wrote:

 Check it out.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

   I'm a bit confused  I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have 
really long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake .

This one : https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg

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[RBW] FS: Selle Anatomica Titantica X Brown $65

[Marc Irwin]

Sold!

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Re: [RBW] Brake reach for 47cm Soma San Marcos

[Tim Gavin]

Which San Marcos frame are you buying?   The link shows the first
generation (robin's egg blue pearl) frame, which has been out of production
for a year.  The current generation (sage blue pearl) has some tweaks and
may have addressed the rear brake reach issue you noticed.

Also, which size of San Marcos?  The smaller sizes are for 650b and the
larger sizes are for 700c wheels.  The brake reach issue may only exist on
one of the two size runs.

I'd advise that you call Rivendell and ask.  They should be able to measure
a SM in stock for the brake reach, so you'll know if the 67 mm reach of the
Paul Racers will work.

FYI, I've used both Silver/559 and Paul Racer centerpulls on my
650b-converted Riv Road.  I didn't find the Pauls to provide any better
stopping power than the Silvers; in fact I find the Racers to be a tad more
mushy.  But, the Racers are much better for fender clearance, so I use
them.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Nanga Parbat nangapa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello All,
 I planning a new San Marcos build for my wife and want to go with center
 pull brakes based on their reported better modulation. After reading the
 specs, flyer information and viewing this
 http://www.cyclesymphony.com/blog/?p=914 build with Riv Silver 73mm dual
 pivot brakes, there seems to be a possibility that center pulls may not
 reach. The photos show the rear brake pads extended as low as possible and
 the front pads as high as possible. I would like to build the San Marcos
 with Paul Racer's and am not opposed to using different front and rear
 brakes as I feel the front brake pad in the link looks to be not ideal,
 pushed to the top of the opening. Thanks in advance.
 Cheers,
 Scott

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[RBW] PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[EGNolan]

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-160.htm

This proto looks pretty nice; a nice Sam-ish frame w/ cant/V-brakes  room 
for 50+mm tires. The complete seems like a heckuva deal to boot.

Best,
Eric

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Clayton.sf]

Yes the rock n roads are great! I use them too.

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[RBW] Found a 1986–87 Bridgestone T700 at the Curb This Morning, Am Puzzled

[Andre Rosario]

Wow. Some guys have all the luck. You find a T700 for FREE and it's in EXACTLY 
YOUR SIZE?

Congrats on the find, man.

Andre Rosario
Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Clayton.sf]

Yes! Had to check my journal, but I did go camping in Samuel Taylor that day, 
so likely was me. Small world!

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Deacon Patrick]

Well, now we need pics, Clayton! With you, your steed, and your gun tottin' 
hatchet! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 10:05:21 PM UTC-6, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Yes, that was most likely me, was riding back from an s24o in Samuel 
 Taylor that very vary day.

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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto 11cm / 26.0 stem for your 10cm

[Andre Rosario]

Looks like it might be a Technomic Deluxe, no? (the ones Rivendell used to sell 
before they combined the finish of the Deluxe and the height of the standard 
Technomic in the Tallux)

My guess is that Nitto stems are generally marked according to the extension 
length as measured from the centerline of the quill to the center of the bar 
hole if that makes sense. If you measure along the top of the stem, you end up 
with a value that's about 5mm greater.

Anyway, good luck with the sale :)

Andre Rosario
Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Clayton.sf]

Yes, that was most likely me, was riding back from an s24o in Samuel Taylor 
that very vary day.

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Clayton.sf]

There are two in this post. More on Flickr. Handle is clayton.esseff. Can post 
some more on Monday too, but can't figure out how to do this from my phone.

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[James Warren]

Did I see you riding this bike on Sir Francis Drake toward Fairfax near 
Woodacre on Saturday morning, August 1, looking fairly loaded for touring? 
Whoever it was on his Cheviot, it looked perfect and made me want to be doing 
the exact same thing.

Great photo here too!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Clayton.sf clayton...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here some pictures:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Best,
 
 Clayton
 
 
 
 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 4:53:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Yes, please, and I'd like to hear others' impressions of the Cheviot as a 
 relatively light duty singletracker.
 
 I gather that the design requires a swept-back bar, and I was interested to 
 hear how well Clayton found it to climb. I've long disliked an upright 
 position because, with a normal top tube and seat tube, this robs me of 
 torque -- my already feeble power feels even more diminished; a fortiori 
 with swept back bars. (I tend to mash when I climb, not twiddle.) But an 
 oversquare design might make the upright position and swept back bar much 
 different.
 
 Others?
 
 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great review, now for some pictures!
 
 Eric
 
 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Clayton.sf clayt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shared this with Rivendell already, but figured there is probably some 
 interest here too:
 
 The following musings only pertain to the 60cm / 700c version and are a 
 longwinded way of saying the bike is amazing. (I am 6’ tall, male, 165lb.)
 
  
 
 This is a very special (in a good way) bike. I own two other fantastic 
 bikes. One is a Jones Diamond/Truss mtb the other a Boulder 650b all-road. 
 I have also owned many more over the years including a Rivendell Quickbeam 
 and Atlantis. That being said, this Cheviot really stands out for obvious 
 and less obvious reasons. Most obviously it is a step-through frame, which 
 is considered girly by some, but besides that actually offers some real 
 benefits. It is easier to get on and off the bike with a large rear load. 
 The increased stand-over height is nice for off-road riding. It allows you 
 to lean (set it on edge) more for extra grip on dirt, is less threatening 
 to the “boys” when you need to put a foot or feet down on uneven ground, 
 and is easier disentangle yourself before you hit the ground in the event 
 of a crash about to happen.
 
 
 
 Less obvious at first glance is the long wheelbase (54cm chainstays!). 
 There is a great Blug post about this already but I am going to say a few 
 things too. The long stays help smooth out bumps your rear wheel 
 encounters. It is like sitting in the middle of bus vs. in the back over 
 the rear wheels. I can still easily make a U-turn on the sidewalk and 
 riding twisty single-track has not been a problem either.  I notice the 
 length of the bike on the car rack elevators. Other than that there are no 
 drawbacks as far as I can tell unless you are really into wheelies. More 
 pannier/heel clearance too for the non-saddlesackers. I also feel like the 
 length imparts a certain ride quality that is hard to accurately describe 
 and is likely confluence of other factors too (bars, tires, etc), but the 
 bicycle rides very smooth and stable, but it is not sluggish, slow, or 
 hard to steer/handle. There was no “getting used to it period” no initial 
 weird feeling. I notice a difference betw. the Cheviut and my other 
 bicycles, but it is not hard to ride either or switch back and forth. You 
 will likely need two chains though.
 
 
 
 What about riding on dirt with chainstays this long, won’t the rear wheel 
 spin out, because you can’t weight it down? No, it does not for me. 
 Personally, I believe this is the result of long rearward sweep of the 
 bosco bullmoose bar (more on the bar later) and the bar height. The bar 
 allows me to shift my weight far back when climbing steep technical 
 sections. This keeps the rear wheel from spinning out while at the same 
 time the long stays keep the front wheel planted. Climbing like this on a 
 short wheelbase bike would result in wheelie. Don’t worry, it is still 
 possible to unweight the front to get over obstacles, just takes a 
 conscious effort as opposed to it happening spontaneously (when you don’t 
 want it). The long wheelbase also creates a larger “sweetspot” you can 
 move forward and backward on the bike quite a bit without adverse handling 
 impact. Of course the Cheviot is not a pure mountain bike or the ideal 
 thing for hella gnar drops, but for riding on classic bay area 
 single-track (Tamarancho, China Camp, Skeggs, etc.) it is fun and 
 perfectly adequate. Sure you have to pick your lines and pay attention, 
 but if your offroad riding skills are somewhat honed you will have fun and 
 if you not then your skills will be somewhat honed very soon. It is a 
 blast to ride on trails. Don’t buy it to just be your mountain bike (it is 
 not a mtb), but don’t be scared to ride it on 

[RBW] hatchets

[Don Compton]

I am not a gun control guy. But what is the deal with hatchets?

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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Clayton.sf]

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
 I am not a gun control guy. But what is the deal with hatchets?

They chop and carve wood better than a gun.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Kellie]

I second Clayton's review! The Cheviot/ut (50cm) is my go to bike and if I 
had to have ONLY one; it'd be it. I may change to bosco bars but now I have 
Albatross; supremely comfortable (though I absolutely love Clayton's bike). 
A pretty basic Riv build with thumb shifters, front and rear (Pletcher) 
rack and a basket in front. The RockRoad tires are great on the street and 
allow me to go off-road too.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lBDMNYZ7NgU/VeETn-izAyI/Ae4/t16UkM2a92A/s1600/2015-04-03%2B22.28.50.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2znvBZ3l1s4/VeEUQLUdRkI/AfA/Jx76BS-k90o/s1600/2015-04-03%2B22.28.54.jpg




On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 4:19:37 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Shared this with Rivendell already, but figured there is probably some 
 interest here too:

 The following musings only pertain to the 60cm / 700c version and are a 
 longwinded way of saying the bike is amazing. (I am 6’ tall, male, 165lb.)

  

 This is a very special (in a good way) bike. I own two other fantastic 
 bikes. One is a Jones Diamond/Truss mtb the other a Boulder 650b all-road. 
 I have also owned many more over the years including a Rivendell Quickbeam 
 and Atlantis. That being said, this Cheviot really stands out for obvious 
 and less obvious reasons. Most obviously it is a step-through frame, which 
 is considered girly by some, but besides that actually offers some real 
 benefits. It is easier to get on and off the bike with a large rear load. 
 The increased stand-over height is nice for off-road riding. It allows you 
 to lean (set it on edge) more for extra grip on dirt, is less threatening 
 to the “boys” when you need to put a foot or feet down on uneven ground, 
 and is easier disentangle yourself before you hit the ground in the event 
 of a crash about to happen.


 Less obvious at first glance is the long wheelbase (54cm chainstays!). 
 There is a great Blug post about this already but I am going to say a few 
 things too. The long stays help smooth out bumps your rear wheel 
 encounters. It is like sitting in the middle of bus vs. in the back over 
 the rear wheels. I can still easily make a U-turn on the sidewalk and 
 riding twisty single-track has not been a problem either.  I notice the 
 length of the bike on the car rack elevators. Other than that there are no 
 drawbacks as far as I can tell unless you are really into wheelies. More 
 pannier/heel clearance too for the non-saddlesackers. I also feel like the 
 length imparts a certain ride quality that is hard to accurately describe 
 and is likely confluence of other factors too (bars, tires, etc), but the 
 bicycle rides very smooth and stable, but it is not sluggish, slow, or hard 
 to steer/handle. There was no “getting used to it period” no initial weird 
 feeling. I notice a difference betw. the Cheviut and my other bicycles, but 
 it is not hard to ride either or switch back and forth. You will likely 
 need two chains though.


 What about riding on dirt with chainstays this long, won’t the rear wheel 
 spin out, because you can’t weight it down? No, it does not for me. 
 Personally, I believe this is the result of long rearward sweep of the 
 bosco bullmoose bar (more on the bar later) and the bar height. The bar 
 allows me to shift my weight far back when climbing steep technical 
 sections. This keeps the rear wheel from spinning out while at the same 
 time the long stays keep the front wheel planted. Climbing like this on a 
 short wheelbase bike would result in wheelie. Don’t worry, it is still 
 possible to unweight the front to get over obstacles, just takes a 
 conscious effort as opposed to it happening spontaneously (when you don’t 
 want it). The long wheelbase also creates a larger “sweetspot” you can move 
 forward and backward on the bike quite a bit without adverse handling 
 impact. Of course the Cheviot is not a pure mountain bike or the ideal 
 thing for hella gnar drops, but for riding on classic bay area single-track 
 (Tamarancho, China Camp, Skeggs, etc.) it is fun and perfectly adequate. 
 Sure you have to pick your lines and pay attention, but if your offroad 
 riding skills are somewhat honed you will have fun and if you not then your 
 skills will be somewhat honed very soon. It is a blast to ride on trails. 
 Don’t buy it to just be your mountain bike (it is not a mtb), but don’t be 
 scared to ride it on single-track either – you will be pleasantly 
 surprised. Oh, and no toe overlap with my size 12 shoes when pedaling 
 midfoot.


 I set mine up with Boscomoose bars. The bar angle is indeed perfect, don’t 
 worry. For me they are the perfect bar for this bike. Combined with the 
 long stays and the longer than typical theoretical top tube (62cm for the 
 60cm ctt seat tube) the bar allows for a good variety of noticeably 
 different and useful hand positions without ever feeling cramped or too 
 stretched out: from upright – great for looking around, steep dirt 
 descents, 

Re: [RBW] Re: IS YOUR STATE,TOWN,,BUSINESSES, UNIVERSITIES BIKE FRIENDLY ?

[Garth]

  That's about it Patrick, as their is no perfect way to measure such 
things .  It's more than just infrastructure .   Do hills and climate 
matter ?   Minneapolis is great for cycling , it always has been dating 
back to the 80's at least .  But not for 4 season riding, not to me .  It's 
not just cold , it's damn cold and the sun isn't so warm in winter there.  
Pittsburgh ?  I was surprised to see it even mentioned really . I live near 
there, not in the city, but having been there many times , I'm glad I don't 
have to ride there , no offense intended either. You see, it's my 
subjectivity here of what makes for bike-easy . The big Cities are huge 
geographically anyways, so how can such a whole really be measured 
anyways as people generally stay in certain areas and stay there. 

I take all the ratings thing as just more stuff' that doesn't really say 
anything of value to me. 





On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:14:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I wonder how accurate and consistent the rating is. I see that Santa Fe is 
 rated Silver and Albuquerque and Las Cruces bronze. What are the criteria? 
 Are they consistent?

 The points listed under each city aren't the same; ABQ's % of street with 
 bike facilities isn't included; only Las Cruces' profile is included; 
 they list two different populations for Albuquerque,  448600 and 565000. 

 I've not spent much time in Santa Fe in the last decade, but what I've 
 seen is that, because of Santa Fe's very congested condition, cycling on 
 roads involves considerably more crowding with cars than it does in 
 Albuquerque.

 *I wonder if the ratings are not rather mechanical -- tabulating certain 
 features against miles of road or population -- rather than reflecting the 
 real ease or lack of ease of real-world riding in an area.*




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[RBW] Re: [Bulk] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[true]

So 2.125 x 26.

http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/millimeters-to-inches.htm

Sounds good for my rigid mtb's converted to urban crusisers.

Paul in Dallas.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Lesperance 
  To: Philip Kim 
  Cc: RBW Owners Bunch ; internet-...@googlegroups.com ; Patrick Moore 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:19 AM
  Subject: [Bulk] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the 
Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available


  The copy on the page where these are for sale 
(https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/26-inch/compass-26-x-2-3-rat-trap-pass/) 
contains the conflicting measurement info:


  Compass 26″ x 2.3″ Rat Trap Pass


  ...


  The Rat Trap Pass (26″ x 54mm)


  I also recall that actual measured width was reported to be closer to 50mm. I 
ordered up a pair to see if they'll fit on my Handsome XOXO, which has handled 
2.1 semi-knobbies with a bit of wiggle room. If they don't fit my 10-year old 
is going to have the fanciest tires in the 'hood


  -Jeff
  Silver Spring, MD


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Philip Kim philipw...@gmail.com wrote:

Is this a typo? Because I thought it was supposed to be 54-55mm, which 
means 2.1ish.

Also, I remember reading these actually measured out to be 50mm on their 
prototype. I wonder if they resolved that, but I don't know anything about the 
tire molding process and how easy/difficult it is to change specs.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
  I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3 width.  There are a lot of touring bikes 
that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 559 wheel 
size, we're talking mountain bike.









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[RBW] Going to be in SF, looking for the Rivendell Experience

[Mark Wilkins]

I'm going to be in San Francisco most of next week, and would love to
visit Rivendell.  I'm going to be pretty busy with work in the day,
though, and it looks like Riv HQ is only open until 4pm.

My question to those in the know: Since Riv BBH is open a bit later,
and would be much easier to reach before closing time, is that enough
RIvendell for one person's visit?  Or am I doing myself a disservice
by not adjusting my work schedule to make it to Riv HQ?

Also, I will not have a car, and would need to take public
transportation from the city.

Thanks for any opinions/comments,

Mark

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Bill Lindsay]

You are only confused because it's kind of confusing.   

They've liked the name Appaloosa for a long while, and have several bike 
concepts in the pipeline.  They fully developed the appaloosa name, by 
getting a badge made and presumably all the other decal work.  So they are 
going to use that name, no matter what, on some bike.  Which bike gets that 
name has changed over time.  That LONG BIKE is a bike in the pipeline, that 
maybe will eventually get made.  That LONG BIKE just won't have the name 
Appaloosa, even though there have been LONG BIKE prototypes that have been 
called Appaloosa, and some that even have the Appaloosa badge.  

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:01:30 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:



I'm a bit confused  I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have 
 really long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake .

 This one : https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg


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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Bill Lindsay]

This is a great opportunity for one to wax philosophical about the role of 
a name...to outline the nuances between reference, designation, 
identification, significationIs the name the thing?  Is the name part 
of the thing?  Is the name just how we refer to the thing?



On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:17:27 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 Thanks Bill !  So I'll consider a Appaloosa to mean prototype 
 generically then , even though it bears nothing to do with the words 
 meaning or origin .


 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 You are only confused because it's kind of confusing.   

 They've liked the name Appaloosa for a long while, and have several 
 bike concepts in the pipeline.  They fully developed the appaloosa name, by 
 getting a badge made and presumably all the other decal work.  So they are 
 going to use that name, no matter what, on some bike.  Which bike gets that 
 name has changed over time.  That LONG BIKE is a bike in the pipeline, that 
 maybe will eventually get made.  That LONG BIKE just won't have the name 
 Appaloosa, even though there have been LONG BIKE prototypes that have been 
 called Appaloosa, and some that even have the Appaloosa badge.  

 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:01:30 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:



I'm a bit confused  I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have 
 really long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake .

 This one : 
 https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg



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[RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Justin August]

I am *so happy* this gets posted two days after I make the commitment to 
reign in all my spending before my wedding.

SO.


HAPPY.

:/

-J

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:35:24 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote:

 my kingdom* for a fatter 700c compass tire than the barlow pass.

 (i do not actually have a kingdom)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Aeropress Inventor

[Justin August]

The interesting part is that, according to my high-end coffee industry 
friends, the guy who invented the Aeropress is almost 100% wrong about 
everything he says about brewing coffee. They say all of his reasoning and 
explanations are totally flawed and that he doesn't understand why the 
Aeropress works as well as it does.

I have nothing to back this up other than their sayso however.

-J

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:

 The mug holds 18 oz total - figure 12-14 oz of actual coffee, about like 
 any other travel mug. I fill the thing up, put the mug in my handlebar 
 bracket while steeping, and off I go. The coffee's usually gone within 30 
 minutes. Maybe I'm less fussy than other cutting-edge coffee consumers. My 
 regular French press makes 1.5 large cups, and I don't pour the second cup 
 off into a separate container while I'm drinking the first.

 Anyway: Two coffee vessels = less-than-elegant travel accessory 
 management. The whole point of having a brewing mechanism *that's also a 
 drinking vessel!* is to eliminate another object to tote around.

 Peter utility before aesthetics-isn't this the RBW group? Adler
 Berkeley, CA/USA

 On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

 But you don't want to leave the coffee in there to continue extracting 
 while you drink, do you?  You'd want another drinking cup.



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[RBW] Re: Going to be in SF, looking for the Rivendell Experience

[Justin August]

BBH is a neat shop to tinker around with the smaller, weirder goods that 
Riv sells (and test ride some bikes too). RivHQ is a great place to go to 
see how the sausage is made and test ride some bikes. I think visiting both 
exposes you to the true Riv experience.

-J

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:13:55 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:

 i went for the first time last winter. i stopped by the hq, and then 
 later/accidentally stumbled upon the bbh.  awkwardly, the person i was 
 talking to at hq, was then also the one working at bbh a couple hours 
 later.  i would assume that it depends on what you want to see, who is 
 working, how busy it is, etc.  but my experience was that bbh was much more 
 interesting. a physical and better version of the website and all that the 
 website offers. definitely dangerous for a budget. i bought a bag, and 
 grant made me some hooks for it and then charmed my patient, yet slightly 
 suspicious fiance (who is still not a full believer in my purchases, but 
 had probably the most positive experience in a bike related shop ever. big 
 step forward)

 hq was fine, but im not in the market for another rivendell right now, and 
 selling the bikes seems to be the main push for that venue. 


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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Ginz]

It's a 58cm Proto-loosa, isn't it?

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[RBW] Re: Going to be in SF, looking for the Rivendell Experience

[drew]

i went for the first time last winter. i stopped by the hq, and then 
later/accidentally stumbled upon the bbh.  awkwardly, the person i was 
talking to at hq, was then also the one working at bbh a couple hours 
later.  i would assume that it depends on what you want to see, who is 
working, how busy it is, etc.  but my experience was that bbh was much more 
interesting. a physical and better version of the website and all that the 
website offers. definitely dangerous for a budget. i bought a bag, and 
grant made me some hooks for it and then charmed my patient, yet slightly 
suspicious fiance (who is still not a full believer in my purchases, but 
had probably the most positive experience in a bike related shop ever. big 
step forward)

hq was fine, but im not in the market for another rivendell right now, and 
selling the bikes seems to be the main push for that venue. 

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[RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Zack]

my kingdom* for a fatter 700c compass tire than the barlow pass.

(i do not actually have a kingdom)

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[RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Clayton.sf]

Shared this with Rivendell already, but figured there is probably some 
interest here too:

The following musings only pertain to the 60cm / 700c version and are a 
longwinded way of saying the bike is amazing. (I am 6’ tall, male, 165lb.)

 

This is a very special (in a good way) bike. I own two other fantastic 
bikes. One is a Jones Diamond/Truss mtb the other a Boulder 650b all-road. 
I have also owned many more over the years including a Rivendell Quickbeam 
and Atlantis. That being said, this Cheviot really stands out for obvious 
and less obvious reasons. Most obviously it is a step-through frame, which 
is considered girly by some, but besides that actually offers some real 
benefits. It is easier to get on and off the bike with a large rear load. 
The increased stand-over height is nice for off-road riding. It allows you 
to lean (set it on edge) more for extra grip on dirt, is less threatening 
to the “boys” when you need to put a foot or feet down on uneven ground, 
and is easier disentangle yourself before you hit the ground in the event 
of a crash about to happen.


Less obvious at first glance is the long wheelbase (54cm chainstays!). 
There is a great Blug post about this already but I am going to say a few 
things too. The long stays help smooth out bumps your rear wheel 
encounters. It is like sitting in the middle of bus vs. in the back over 
the rear wheels. I can still easily make a U-turn on the sidewalk and 
riding twisty single-track has not been a problem either.  I notice the 
length of the bike on the car rack elevators. Other than that there are no 
drawbacks as far as I can tell unless you are really into wheelies. More 
pannier/heel clearance too for the non-saddlesackers. I also feel like the 
length imparts a certain ride quality that is hard to accurately describe 
and is likely confluence of other factors too (bars, tires, etc), but the 
bicycle rides very smooth and stable, but it is not sluggish, slow, or hard 
to steer/handle. There was no “getting used to it period” no initial weird 
feeling. I notice a difference betw. the Cheviut and my other bicycles, but 
it is not hard to ride either or switch back and forth. You will likely 
need two chains though.


What about riding on dirt with chainstays this long, won’t the rear wheel 
spin out, because you can’t weight it down? No, it does not for me. 
Personally, I believe this is the result of long rearward sweep of the 
bosco bullmoose bar (more on the bar later) and the bar height. The bar 
allows me to shift my weight far back when climbing steep technical 
sections. This keeps the rear wheel from spinning out while at the same 
time the long stays keep the front wheel planted. Climbing like this on a 
short wheelbase bike would result in wheelie. Don’t worry, it is still 
possible to unweight the front to get over obstacles, just takes a 
conscious effort as opposed to it happening spontaneously (when you don’t 
want it). The long wheelbase also creates a larger “sweetspot” you can move 
forward and backward on the bike quite a bit without adverse handling 
impact. Of course the Cheviot is not a pure mountain bike or the ideal 
thing for hella gnar drops, but for riding on classic bay area single-track 
(Tamarancho, China Camp, Skeggs, etc.) it is fun and perfectly adequate. 
Sure you have to pick your lines and pay attention, but if your offroad 
riding skills are somewhat honed you will have fun and if you not then your 
skills will be somewhat honed very soon. It is a blast to ride on trails. 
Don’t buy it to just be your mountain bike (it is not a mtb), but don’t be 
scared to ride it on single-track either – you will be pleasantly 
surprised. Oh, and no toe overlap with my size 12 shoes when pedaling 
midfoot.


I set mine up with Boscomoose bars. The bar angle is indeed perfect, don’t 
worry. For me they are the perfect bar for this bike. Combined with the 
long stays and the longer than typical theoretical top tube (62cm for the 
60cm ctt seat tube) the bar allows for a good variety of noticeably 
different and useful hand positions without ever feeling cramped or too 
stretched out: from upright – great for looking around, steep dirt 
descents, looking over cars, to Aero when gripped next to the stem. 
Climbing with this bar is interesting too. As opposed to hunching forward 
and “lifting” with your lower back, you climb in an upright position 
similar to a person carrying cement buckets up the stairs or walking a 
wheelbarrow. This position makes for powerful climbing because your body is 
better aligned. Like those safety drawings telling you how to lift.   


No matter where you stand or what you believe regarding the whole “trail” 
debate, this bike handles very well (as good as my “low-trail” bike) with a 
front load. It also handles very well with a rear load. In summary it 
handles well with a load - be this groceries on the way home from work or 
camping gear on the weekend.


It is not a race bike 

Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Eric Daume]

Great review, now for some pictures!

Eric

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Clayton.sf clayton...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shared this with Rivendell already, but figured there is probably some
 interest here too:

 The following musings only pertain to the 60cm / 700c version and are a
 longwinded way of saying the bike is amazing. (I am 6’ tall, male, 165lb.)



 This is a very special (in a good way) bike. I own two other fantastic
 bikes. One is a Jones Diamond/Truss mtb the other a Boulder 650b all-road.
 I have also owned many more over the years including a Rivendell Quickbeam
 and Atlantis. That being said, this Cheviot really stands out for obvious
 and less obvious reasons. Most obviously it is a step-through frame, which
 is considered girly by some, but besides that actually offers some real
 benefits. It is easier to get on and off the bike with a large rear load.
 The increased stand-over height is nice for off-road riding. It allows you
 to lean (set it on edge) more for extra grip on dirt, is less threatening
 to the “boys” when you need to put a foot or feet down on uneven ground,
 and is easier disentangle yourself before you hit the ground in the event
 of a crash about to happen.


 Less obvious at first glance is the long wheelbase (54cm chainstays!).
 There is a great Blug post about this already but I am going to say a few
 things too. The long stays help smooth out bumps your rear wheel
 encounters. It is like sitting in the middle of bus vs. in the back over
 the rear wheels. I can still easily make a U-turn on the sidewalk and
 riding twisty single-track has not been a problem either.  I notice the
 length of the bike on the car rack elevators. Other than that there are no
 drawbacks as far as I can tell unless you are really into wheelies. More
 pannier/heel clearance too for the non-saddlesackers. I also feel like the
 length imparts a certain ride quality that is hard to accurately describe
 and is likely confluence of other factors too (bars, tires, etc), but the
 bicycle rides very smooth and stable, but it is not sluggish, slow, or hard
 to steer/handle. There was no “getting used to it period” no initial weird
 feeling. I notice a difference betw. the Cheviut and my other bicycles, but
 it is not hard to ride either or switch back and forth. You will likely
 need two chains though.


 What about riding on dirt with chainstays this long, won’t the rear wheel
 spin out, because you can’t weight it down? No, it does not for me.
 Personally, I believe this is the result of long rearward sweep of the
 bosco bullmoose bar (more on the bar later) and the bar height. The bar
 allows me to shift my weight far back when climbing steep technical
 sections. This keeps the rear wheel from spinning out while at the same
 time the long stays keep the front wheel planted. Climbing like this on a
 short wheelbase bike would result in wheelie. Don’t worry, it is still
 possible to unweight the front to get over obstacles, just takes a
 conscious effort as opposed to it happening spontaneously (when you don’t
 want it). The long wheelbase also creates a larger “sweetspot” you can move
 forward and backward on the bike quite a bit without adverse handling
 impact. Of course the Cheviot is not a pure mountain bike or the ideal
 thing for hella gnar drops, but for riding on classic bay area single-track
 (Tamarancho, China Camp, Skeggs, etc.) it is fun and perfectly adequate.
 Sure you have to pick your lines and pay attention, but if your offroad
 riding skills are somewhat honed you will have fun and if you not then your
 skills will be somewhat honed very soon. It is a blast to ride on trails.
 Don’t buy it to just be your mountain bike (it is not a mtb), but don’t be
 scared to ride it on single-track either – you will be pleasantly
 surprised. Oh, and no toe overlap with my size 12 shoes when pedaling
 midfoot.


 I set mine up with Boscomoose bars. The bar angle is indeed perfect, don’t
 worry. For me they are the perfect bar for this bike. Combined with the
 long stays and the longer than typical theoretical top tube (62cm for the
 60cm ctt seat tube) the bar allows for a good variety of noticeably
 different and useful hand positions without ever feeling cramped or too
 stretched out: from upright – great for looking around, steep dirt
 descents, looking over cars, to Aero when gripped next to the stem.
 Climbing with this bar is interesting too. As opposed to hunching forward
 and “lifting” with your lower back, you climb in an upright position
 similar to a person carrying cement buckets up the stairs or walking a
 wheelbarrow. This position makes for powerful climbing because your body is
 better aligned. Like those safety drawings telling you how to lift.


 No matter where you stand or what you believe regarding the whole “trail”
 debate, this bike handles very well (as good as my “low-trail” bike) with a
 front load. It also handles very well with a rear load. In summary it
 handles 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kojaks tubeless: Possible? Any advantage?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this. So, it can be done -- Vaughn at Stevie's is also confident
of this, but I wanted corroboration.

Next question: is it worth the cost and effort? Will a tubeless Kojak ride
nicer than a be-tubed one?

I am also debating whether to get Vaughn to tubeless-i-fy (with Orange Seal
kit) my Elk Passes. I just discovered that ~55 psi is a good pressure for
me (170). That shouldn't stress things to much ...?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just 4 U :)


 https://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/continental-grand-prix-road-tyre-tubeless-setup/


 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:35:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Given that the (559X1.35) Kojaks measure almost a true 32 mm on the new
 Equalizer rims, while the Elk Passes are considerably narrower (27 - 27.5
 mm, albeit on considerably narrower rims), I wonder if I won't just keep to
 Kojaks on the errand bike. I hope to get this back from Chauncey on
 Sunday, and I'll compare the ride of the Kojaks, en-tubed, with the tubed
 Elk Passes on the gofast.

 But I wonder:

 1. If I ran the Kojaks tubeless, would they have less rolling resistance,
 all else equal?

 2. Has anyone run Kojaks tubeless? The Equalizer rims are tubeless
 compatible.

 The Elk Passes continue to surprise and please, on the gofast -- just
 rode them and it and, again, it just seems easier than with the Pro Races.

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, please, and I'd like to hear others' impressions of the Cheviot as a
relatively light duty singletracker.

I gather that the design requires a swept-back bar, and I was interested to
hear how well Clayton found it to climb. I've long disliked an upright
position because, with a normal top tube and seat tube, this robs me of
torque -- my already feeble power feels even more diminished; a fortiori
with swept back bars. (I tend to mash when I climb, not twiddle.) But an
oversquare design might make the upright position and swept back bar much
different.

Others?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great review, now for some pictures!

 Eric

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Clayton.sf clayton...@gmail.com wrote:

 Shared this with Rivendell already, but figured there is probably some
 interest here too:

 The following musings only pertain to the 60cm / 700c version and are a
 longwinded way of saying the bike is amazing. (I am 6’ tall, male, 165lb.)



 This is a very special (in a good way) bike. I own two other fantastic
 bikes. One is a Jones Diamond/Truss mtb the other a Boulder 650b all-road.
 I have also owned many more over the years including a Rivendell Quickbeam
 and Atlantis. That being said, this Cheviot really stands out for obvious
 and less obvious reasons. Most obviously it is a step-through frame, which
 is considered girly by some, but besides that actually offers some real
 benefits. It is easier to get on and off the bike with a large rear load.
 The increased stand-over height is nice for off-road riding. It allows you
 to lean (set it on edge) more for extra grip on dirt, is less threatening
 to the “boys” when you need to put a foot or feet down on uneven ground,
 and is easier disentangle yourself before you hit the ground in the event
 of a crash about to happen.


 Less obvious at first glance is the long wheelbase (54cm chainstays!).
 There is a great Blug post about this already but I am going to say a few
 things too. The long stays help smooth out bumps your rear wheel
 encounters. It is like sitting in the middle of bus vs. in the back over
 the rear wheels. I can still easily make a U-turn on the sidewalk and
 riding twisty single-track has not been a problem either.  I notice the
 length of the bike on the car rack elevators. Other than that there are no
 drawbacks as far as I can tell unless you are really into wheelies. More
 pannier/heel clearance too for the non-saddlesackers. I also feel like the
 length imparts a certain ride quality that is hard to accurately describe
 and is likely confluence of other factors too (bars, tires, etc), but the
 bicycle rides very smooth and stable, but it is not sluggish, slow, or hard
 to steer/handle. There was no “getting used to it period” no initial weird
 feeling. I notice a difference betw. the Cheviut and my other bicycles, but
 it is not hard to ride either or switch back and forth. You will likely
 need two chains though.


 What about riding on dirt with chainstays this long, won’t the rear wheel
 spin out, because you can’t weight it down? No, it does not for me.
 Personally, I believe this is the result of long rearward sweep of the
 bosco bullmoose bar (more on the bar later) and the bar height. The bar
 allows me to shift my weight far back when climbing steep technical
 sections. This keeps the rear wheel from spinning out while at the same
 time the long stays keep the front wheel planted. Climbing like this on a
 short wheelbase bike would result in wheelie. Don’t worry, it is still
 possible to unweight the front to get over obstacles, just takes a
 conscious effort as opposed to it happening spontaneously (when you don’t
 want it). The long wheelbase also creates a larger “sweetspot” you can move
 forward and backward on the bike quite a bit without adverse handling
 impact. Of course the Cheviot is not a pure mountain bike or the ideal
 thing for hella gnar drops, but for riding on classic bay area single-track
 (Tamarancho, China Camp, Skeggs, etc.) it is fun and perfectly adequate.
 Sure you have to pick your lines and pay attention, but if your offroad
 riding skills are somewhat honed you will have fun and if you not then your
 skills will be somewhat honed very soon. It is a blast to ride on trails.
 Don’t buy it to just be your mountain bike (it is not a mtb), but don’t be
 scared to ride it on single-track either – you will be pleasantly
 surprised. Oh, and no toe overlap with my size 12 shoes when pedaling
 midfoot.


 I set mine up with Boscomoose bars. The bar angle is indeed perfect,
 don’t worry. For me they are the perfect bar for this bike. Combined with
 the long stays and the longer than typical theoretical top tube (62cm for
 the 60cm ctt seat tube) the bar allows for a good variety of noticeably
 different and useful hand positions without ever feeling cramped or too
 stretched out: from upright – great for looking around, steep dirt
 descents, looking 

[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[drew]

now there is a reddish 55cm up. am i looking at a hunq fork crown on these 
guys? it seems like the slightly more affordable, slightly more off roady 
line up they are working towards is gonna be pretty cool and well timed, 
trend wise.  

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[RBW] Re: How was your PBP?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I obsessively read every one of these last night, thanks for taking the 
time to put them together!!!


On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, Jenny Oh Hatfield wrote:

 PBP was magnificently hard and wonderful and painful and life-changing. It 
 took me just about the same amount of time to write all of my blog posts as 
 it did to ride PBP itself! I've collected my thoughts and texts into seven 
 blog posts if you'd interested in my journey.

 The Cyclists (an introductory post of sorts) 
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-cyclists/
 Landscapes http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-landscapes/
 Architecture 
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-architecture/
 Bicycles http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-bicycles/
 The French http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-french/
 Food, Glorious Food 
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-food-glorious-food/
 The Highs, The Lows and the Highs 
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-highs-the-lows-and-the-highs/
  (pretty 
 close to a full recap of the ride with links to the other posts)

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: IS YOUR STATE,TOWN,,BUSINESSES, UNIVERSITIES BIKE FRIENDLY ?

[ascpgh]

Take you for a ride any time you're around and inclined. 

it's off-putting from the major roadways but the surface streets and roads 
are from the 1800s layout, human scale not cars. Fun in the daytime or at 
night with lights.

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 12:13:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:

   That's about it Patrick, as their is no perfect way to measure such 
 things .  It's more than just infrastructure .   Do hills and climate 
 matter ?   Minneapolis is great for cycling , it always has been dating 
 back to the 80's at least .  But not for 4 season riding, not to me .  It's 
 not just cold , it's damn cold and the sun isn't so warm in winter there.  
 Pittsburgh ?  I was surprised to see it even mentioned really . I live near 
 there, not in the city, but having been there many times , I'm glad I don't 
 have to ride there , no offense intended either. You see, it's my 
 subjectivity here of what makes for bike-easy . The big Cities are huge 
 geographically anyways, so how can such a whole really be measured 
 anyways as people generally stay in certain areas and stay there. 

 I take all the ratings thing as just more stuff' that doesn't really 
 say anything of value to me. 





 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:14:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I wonder how accurate and consistent the rating is. I see that Santa Fe 
 is rated Silver and Albuquerque and Las Cruces bronze. What are the 
 criteria? Are they consistent?

 The points listed under each city aren't the same; ABQ's % of street with 
 bike facilities isn't included; only Las Cruces' profile is included; 
 they list two different populations for Albuquerque,  448600 and 565000. 

 I've not spent much time in Santa Fe in the last decade, but what I've 
 seen is that, because of Santa Fe's very congested condition, cycling on 
 roads involves considerably more crowding with cars than it does in 
 Albuquerque.

 *I wonder if the ratings are not rather mechanical -- tabulating 
 certain features against miles of road or population -- rather than 
 reflecting the real ease or lack of ease of real-world riding in an area.*




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[RBW] Re: black cork grips - to shellack or not

[KC]

I shellacked my cork grips after googling enough to make me feel it was 
ok.  The look is nice cut I am not happy with what it did to the feel.  if 
my palms get sweaty at all on the bike, then they just feel too slick.  I 
haven't done anything yet, but when we were on vacation I was sure thinking 
about seeing if there was something to remove the shellac without hurting 
the cork.  And , of course, at that point I saw info saying don't shellac.  
I wouldn't do it again. I think it undermines part of the reason for the 
cork grips.



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 They're probably glued together cork bits; which I've shellaced before 
 (the natural, though, not black). It'll darken them up a bit  help them to 
 become more water resistant.

 Best,
 Eric

 On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 5:50:58 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:

 purchased some black cork grips, but im thinking they are more likely 
 black foam with flecks of cork. while i was not excited about the lack of 
 actual cork, i do like the way they look.   from the perspective of 
 enhancing their lifespan and diminishing their upkeep...Shellack them? do 
 not shellack them? do something else to them? do nothing?



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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Bill Lindsay]

Garth

who's on first is Junior Varsity compared to Haddock's Eyes from Lewis 
Carrol:

LINK! http://www.haddockseyes.com/

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 12:44:07 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 Lol Bill  . . .  .  this all reminds of Who's on first !

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-5dPy1O3CQ


 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 This is a great opportunity for one to wax philosophical about the role 
 of a name...to outline the nuances between reference, designation, 
 identification, significationIs the name the thing?  Is the name part 
 of the thing?  Is the name just how we refer to the thing?






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[RBW] Re: Kojaks tubeless: Possible? Any advantage?

[Garth]

Just 4 U :) 

https://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/continental-grand-prix-road-tyre-tubeless-setup/

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:35:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Given that the (559X1.35) Kojaks measure almost a true 32 mm on the new 
 Equalizer rims, while the Elk Passes are considerably narrower (27 - 27.5 
 mm, albeit on considerably narrower rims), I wonder if I won't just keep to 
 Kojaks on the errand bike. I hope to get this back from Chauncey on 
 Sunday, and I'll compare the ride of the Kojaks, en-tubed, with the tubed 
 Elk Passes on the gofast.

 But I wonder:

 1. If I ran the Kojaks tubeless, would they have less rolling resistance, 
 all else equal?

 2. Has anyone run Kojaks tubeless? The Equalizer rims are tubeless 
 compatible.

 The Elk Passes continue to surprise and please, on the gofast -- just rode 
 them and it and, again, it just seems easier than with the Pro Races.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Coconutbill]

I would be interested in selling my 47cm Toyo Homer in order to afford the 
47cm Proto-loosa, I am thinking.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

Thanks Bill !  So I'll consider a Appaloosa to mean prototype generically 
then , even though it bears nothing to do with the words meaning or origin .


On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 You are only confused because it's kind of confusing.   

 They've liked the name Appaloosa for a long while, and have several bike 
 concepts in the pipeline.  They fully developed the appaloosa name, by 
 getting a badge made and presumably all the other decal work.  So they are 
 going to use that name, no matter what, on some bike.  Which bike gets that 
 name has changed over time.  That LONG BIKE is a bike in the pipeline, that 
 maybe will eventually get made.  That LONG BIKE just won't have the name 
 Appaloosa, even though there have been LONG BIKE prototypes that have been 
 called Appaloosa, and some that even have the Appaloosa badge.  

 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:01:30 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:



I'm a bit confused  I thought the Appaloosa was suppose to have 
 really long chainstays, a diagonal tube, and more rake .

 This one : https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8186/8419517174_1e94722b62_b.jpg



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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Coconutbill]

To be more specific, there is a frame for sale in my size!

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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[James Warren]

For me, we're talking older mountain bike that is likely to get more fun use once I put these tires on it.
-Original Message- From: Ginz Sent: Aug 28, 2015 7:49 AM To: internet-bob Cc: bertin...@gmail.com, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available 
I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3" width. There are a lot of touring bikes that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 559 wheel size, we're talking mountain bike.






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Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Joe Bunik]

be careful about signing any documents!!! ;-P
=- Joe

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 I am *so happy* this gets posted two days after I make the commitment to
 reign in all my spending before my wedding.

 SO.


 HAPPY.

 :/

 -J

 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:35:24 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote:

 my kingdom* for a fatter 700c compass tire than the barlow pass.

 (i do not actually have a kingdom)


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Simple1

[Justin August]

The SimpleOne has found it's new owner!

This time there was overwhelming response. Weird how that works.

-J

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 1:36:31 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:

 58cm SimpleOne.

- Tange headset
- Wheel set is velocity unbranded track hubs to SunCR18 rims with Soma 
C-Line terracota tires.
- Surly dingle 17/21
- Freewheel 17t
- 9 speed chain
- There are pics of the frame here 
https://flickr.com/photos/86714991@N00/sets/72157646060803134
- Goo has been removed.

 All that for $700 + real shipping (I’ll ship first via BikeFlights or a 
 local shop, then invoice you for cost)

 Other stuff for sale.

- SOMA Layback Post 27.2, BLACK - $15 (included for free with frame if 
you want)
- SOMA Sutra stem 100mm, BLACK $25
- Jitensha Bars $25 (Discovered a gauge in the aluminum near-ish the 
stem. Should be fine, caveat emptor)
- Nitto x Fair-weather 42cm (similar to Noodle but shallower drop) $40
- Shimano Brake Levers $20

 Drop me a line and convince me of a deal!
 There are two folks in line - the first gathering funds, the second with a 
 firm offer. I try to honor the line order as much as possible (I'm a 2nd 
 grade teacher) but I have to prioritize funds currently. Just FYI.

 Pickup in Oakland, delivery possible if within a decent distance - meaning 
 down to Santa Cruz, up to Santa Rosa? Over to halfway between here and 
 Sacramento?

 -Justin


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[RBW] Kojaks tubeless: Possible? Any advantage?

[Patrick Moore]

Given that the (559X1.35) Kojaks measure almost a true 32 mm on the new
Equalizer rims, while the Elk Passes are considerably narrower (27 - 27.5
mm, albeit on considerably narrower rims), I wonder if I won't just keep to
Kojaks on the errand bike. I hope to get this back from Chauncey on
Sunday, and I'll compare the ride of the Kojaks, en-tubed, with the tubed
Elk Passes on the gofast.

But I wonder:

1. If I ran the Kojaks tubeless, would they have less rolling resistance,
all else equal?

2. Has anyone run Kojaks tubeless? The Equalizer rims are tubeless
compatible.

The Elk Passes continue to surprise and please, on the gofast -- just rode
them and it and, again, it just seems easier than with the Pro Races.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

Lol Bill  . . .  .  this all reminds of Who's on first !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-5dPy1O3CQ


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 This is a great opportunity for one to wax philosophical about the role of 
 a name...to outline the nuances between reference, designation, 
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 of the thing?  Is the name just how we refer to the thing?






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Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Tim Gavin]

The 622 x 60 Super Moto is a worthy stand-in, if you can fit it.

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 my kingdom* for a fatter 700c compass tire than the barlow pass.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Kieran J]

That 47 Proto frame is super-adorbs!

KJ


On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-4, Coconutbill wrote:

 To be more specific, there is a frame for sale in my size!


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[RBW] Re: Going to be in SF, looking for the Rivendell Experience

[dougP]

Mark

Both are worth adjusting your work needs. There is a Bart station within 
walking. 

Dougp

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Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[cyclotourist]

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;menu=1000%2C2%2C103%2C212;search=super+moto+29;product=101777


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Re: [RBW] Re: How was your PBP?

[Patrick Moore]

I missed Jenny's post, so glad I caught this one.

Jenny: very well written and photographed. Your sideways approach gives
at least this reader more social context for the ride. I was surprised and
pleased to see a contingent from India (what a huge difference 50 years has
made!) and from the Philippines (my mother's country).

Someone told me that the average age of PBP riders is 55: is this accurate?

What sort of gearing (chainrings X cogs) is typical?

Patrick Moore, who will always and only be a vicarious brevet rider.

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cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 I obsessively read every one of these last night, thanks for taking the
 time to put them together!!!


 On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, Jenny Oh Hatfield wrote:

 PBP was magnificently hard and wonderful and painful and life-changing.
 It took me just about the same amount of time to write all of my blog posts
 as it did to ride PBP itself! I've collected my thoughts and texts into
 seven blog posts if you'd interested in my journey.

 The Cyclists (an introductory post of sorts)
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-cyclists/
 Landscapes http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-landscapes/
 Architecture
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-architecture/
 Bicycles http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-bicycles/
 The French http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-french/
 Food, Glorious Food
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-food-glorious-food/
 The Highs, The Lows and the Highs
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-highs-the-lows-and-the-highs/
  (pretty
 close to a full recap of the ride with links to the other posts)

 Cheers,

 Jenny
 Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Thoughts and Impressions

[Clayton.sf]

Here some pictures:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ET9GuRH93jQ/VeD5yd1gwpI/APQ/sdZSD3kqtnQ/s1600/20165922896_de2abe8620_z.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_zVu_z3BY2Q/VeD54GExKRI/APY/FhEKTaGsne4/s1600/19817591590_cd5fa8595e_o.jpg



Best,

Clayton


On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 4:53:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Yes, please, and I'd like to hear others' impressions of the Cheviot as a 
 relatively light duty singletracker.

 I gather that the design requires a swept-back bar, and I was interested 
 to hear how well Clayton found it to climb. I've long disliked an upright 
 position because, with a normal top tube and seat tube, this robs me of 
 torque -- my already feeble power feels even more diminished; a fortiori 
 with swept back bars. (I tend to mash when I climb, not twiddle.) But an 
 oversquare design might make the upright position and swept back bar much 
 different.

 Others?

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Great review, now for some pictures!

 Eric

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Clayton.sf clayt...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Shared this with Rivendell already, but figured there is probably some 
 interest here too:

 The following musings only pertain to the 60cm / 700c version and are a 
 longwinded way of saying the bike is amazing. (I am 6’ tall, male, 165lb.)

  

 This is a very special (in a good way) bike. I own two other fantastic 
 bikes. One is a Jones Diamond/Truss mtb the other a Boulder 650b all-road. 
 I have also owned many more over the years including a Rivendell Quickbeam 
 and Atlantis. That being said, this Cheviot really stands out for obvious 
 and less obvious reasons. Most obviously it is a step-through frame, which 
 is considered girly by some, but besides that actually offers some real 
 benefits. It is easier to get on and off the bike with a large rear load. 
 The increased stand-over height is nice for off-road riding. It allows you 
 to lean (set it on edge) more for extra grip on dirt, is less threatening 
 to the “boys” when you need to put a foot or feet down on uneven ground, 
 and is easier disentangle yourself before you hit the ground in the event 
 of a crash about to happen.


 Less obvious at first glance is the long wheelbase (54cm chainstays!). 
 There is a great Blug post about this already but I am going to say a few 
 things too. The long stays help smooth out bumps your rear wheel 
 encounters. It is like sitting in the middle of bus vs. in the back over 
 the rear wheels. I can still easily make a U-turn on the sidewalk and 
 riding twisty single-track has not been a problem either.  I notice the 
 length of the bike on the car rack elevators. Other than that there are no 
 drawbacks as far as I can tell unless you are really into wheelies. More 
 pannier/heel clearance too for the non-saddlesackers. I also feel like the 
 length imparts a certain ride quality that is hard to accurately describe 
 and is likely confluence of other factors too (bars, tires, etc), but the 
 bicycle rides very smooth and stable, but it is not sluggish, slow, or hard 
 to steer/handle. There was no “getting used to it period” no initial weird 
 feeling. I notice a difference betw. the Cheviut and my other bicycles, but 
 it is not hard to ride either or switch back and forth. You will likely 
 need two chains though.


 What about riding on dirt with chainstays this long, won’t the rear 
 wheel spin out, because you can’t weight it down? No, it does not for me. 
 Personally, I believe this is the result of long rearward sweep of the 
 bosco bullmoose bar (more on the bar later) and the bar height. The bar 
 allows me to shift my weight far back when climbing steep technical 
 sections. This keeps the rear wheel from spinning out while at the same 
 time the long stays keep the front wheel planted. Climbing like this on a 
 short wheelbase bike would result in wheelie. Don’t worry, it is still 
 possible to unweight the front to get over obstacles, just takes a 
 conscious effort as opposed to it happening spontaneously (when you don’t 
 want it). The long wheelbase also creates a larger “sweetspot” you can move 
 forward and backward on the bike quite a bit without adverse handling 
 impact. Of course the Cheviot is not a pure mountain bike or the ideal 
 thing for hella gnar drops, but for riding on classic bay area single-track 
 (Tamarancho, China Camp, Skeggs, etc.) it is fun and perfectly adequate. 
 Sure you have to pick your lines and pay attention, but if your offroad 
 riding skills are somewhat honed you will have fun and if you not then your 
 skills will be somewhat honed very soon. It is a blast to ride on trails. 
 Don’t buy it to just be your mountain bike (it is not a mtb), but don’t be 
 scared to ride it on single-track either – you will be pleasantly 
 surprised. Oh, and no toe overlap with my size 12 shoes when pedaling 
 midfoot.


 I set mine 

Re: [RBW] Re: Going to be in SF, looking for the Rivendell Experience

[Mark Wilkins]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.  I'll definitely hit BBH, and see
if I can't adjust my schedule to make them both.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:27 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Mark

 Both are worth adjusting your work needs. There is a Bart station within 
 walking.

 Dougp

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Re: [RBW] Brake reach for 47cm Soma San Marcos

[Nanga Parbat]

I'm getting a 47cm in the 
current 2nd generation model
Cheers

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Re: [RBW] Re: How was your PBP?

[Patrick Moore]

And, congratulations to you (and all the others) who completed the ride.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I missed Jenny's post, so glad I caught this one.

 Jenny: very well written and photographed. Your sideways approach gives
 at least this reader more social context for the ride. I was surprised and
 pleased to see a contingent from India (what a huge difference 50 years has
 made!) and from the Philippines (my mother's country).

 Someone told me that the average age of PBP riders is 55: is this accurate?

 What sort of gearing (chainrings X cogs) is typical?

 Patrick Moore, who will always and only be a vicarious brevet rider.

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:49 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 I obsessively read every one of these last night, thanks for taking the
 time to put them together!!!


 On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, Jenny Oh Hatfield wrote:

 PBP was magnificently hard and wonderful and painful and life-changing.
 It took me just about the same amount of time to write all of my blog posts
 as it did to ride PBP itself! I've collected my thoughts and texts into
 seven blog posts if you'd interested in my journey.

 The Cyclists (an introductory post of sorts)
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-cyclists/
 Landscapes http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-landscapes/
 Architecture
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-architecture/
 Bicycles http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-bicycles/
 The French http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-french/
 Food, Glorious Food
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-food-glorious-food/
 The Highs, The Lows and the Highs
 http://www.plattyjo.com/paris-brest-paris-2015-the-highs-the-lows-and-the-highs/
  (pretty
 close to a full recap of the ride with links to the other posts)

 Cheers,

 Jenny
 Oakland, CA

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[RBW] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Pondero]

Just ordered a pair of Rat Trap Pass tires for the Atlantis.  I think the 
clearance will be a bit tighter than I'd prefer at the chainstays, but will 
give them a go.  They could be ideal for the dry gravel roads I routinely ride. 
 They would have been great today, riding farther west than normal on rougher, 
sandier roads (but I managed fine with my Hilsen and Lierres).

I'm not telling anyone but you guys how much money I just spent on two bicycle 
tires.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Daniel D.]

Love that maroon w/cream

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:

 now there is a reddish 55cm up. am i looking at a hunq fork crown on these 
 guys? it seems like the slightly more affordable, slightly more off roady 
 line up they are working towards is gonna be pretty cool and well timed, 
 trend wise.  


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