[RBW] FS: Jones loop bar with threadless adapter and some tool wraps

[dstein]

I bought this for my Hunqapillar and ran for a while, works great, I really 
like these bars. I put on Caigslist and hoping for a local sale (Oakland - 
Bay Area) as I don't have a box for the handlebars though I maybe, 
possibly, can fit it in two usps show boxes I have taped together, haven't 
tried it yet, so I'll say possible to ship:

Jones H-Bar Loop setup - $110 for bars, threadless adapter, and stem 
(90mm), or $90 for just the bars.

- H-Bar Jones Loop Aluminium 660 31.8 ($120 new)
- Velo Orange Threadless Stem 31.8, +/-6 deg rise, 90mm ($35 new)
- VO Threadless Stem Adaptor ($16 new)
- There is also enough ESI tape to wrap the bars on the inside.
- I also have some esi grips I can include

Also for sale:
Mark’s Tool Wrap, Olive - $20+ $5 shipping
Swift Motto Tool Roll - $20 + $5 shipping




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[RBW] Re: Rivet Saddles

[Bill M.]

The SA, Rivet Pearl and Brooks B17 are all about 170 mm wide at the widest 
point.  

That's not the whole story, though.  Measured at the midpoint of their 
length, the Rivet is nearly 3 cm narrower than the SA (based on my SA, 
which is laced in and so narrower than stock).  The Brooks is in between. 
 The narrow nose of the Rivet works well for me, the wider nose of a Brooks 
rubs my anatomy in less-than-pleasant ways.  The SA is fine with a very 
upright position, if I lean forward it is much less comfortable.  

Bill

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Width wise, does anyone know which Rivet has similar sit bone measurements 
> to the SAs?
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:55:12 PM UTC-4, Bill M. wrote:
>>
>> I was an early adopter, having bought a brown Pearl Ti from Deb at their 
>> debut at NAHBS in Sacramento a few years ago.  It has been in continuous 
>> use since then and I like it a lot.  It fits me better than a Brooks (of 
>> which I own five of various models and vintages, none of them being used 
>> right now) due to being wide enough at the sit bones but narrow in the nose 
>> so I don't get thigh rub.  The Rivet leather is quite hard, mine has hardly 
>> stretched at all and seems like it will last a very long time.  The comfort 
>> is all from the shape, don't expect much cush.  
>>
>> The SA is quite different.  You can't expect it to keep a flat shape like 
>> a Brooks or Rivet, it's meant to be a hammock and tensioning it flat will 
>> just stretch it to death as many have found.  My SA lives on a bike with a 
>> fairly upright position and it works well enough for me like that.  I can't 
>> really ride on the SA in any kind of tuck.  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody have any experience with them? Thoughts? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> D.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WATERTON CANYON REOPENED

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Patrick,
I'm happy to hear you are feeling better and able to ride a bit.
I heard it was snowing in Woodland Park today.
I don't think those are old rail road beds.Not sure.
Looking at the fourth picture there is a tunnel behind the bridge railing.( 
hard to see)  I'm told that is where the Highline Canal starts and snakes 
all around Denver..
Continuing on through Waterton canyon is the Colorado Trail. 
http://www.coloradotrail.org/waterton.html

Jon

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 2:28:20 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Awesome! Those canyons with railroad grade road are wondrous to ride! (Is 
> that what Waterton Canyon is, former rail?) I've always loved the 
> handlebars on those Cheviots. Lots of hand positions, if you can get a 
> grip. Cool, rainy rides are always delicious. I just enjoyed the wee ride 
> here (first time on the bike in 14 days -- brain's slowly inching back to 
> "normal"). 8 miles of drizzle at 32˚F on Bregalad, aka Quickbeam. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:46:55 PM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Waterton Canyon had been closed for a couple of months due to bear 
>> activity
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Kainalu]

Anyone looking for an early adopter of your Appaloosa handlebars? I'll be 
happy to take them.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY


On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back at 
> you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 miles. The 
> fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see about the 
> color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is awesome. I'm in 
> no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't be one of the 
> early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them next year.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
>> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel about 
>> the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying around, 
>> i'd be all over this. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm looking at those bars and thinking "$2100 for that sweet handlebar, and 
it comes with a FREE BIKE attached"

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:47:51 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote:
>
> Anyone looking for an early adopter of your Appaloosa handlebars? I'll be 
> happy to take them.
> -Kai
> Brooklyn NY
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back 
>> at you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 
>> miles. The fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see 
>> about the color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is 
>> awesome. I'm in no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't 
>> be one of the early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them 
>> next year.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>>> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel 
>>> about the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying 
>>> around, i'd be all over this. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Sam Day]

Ive got a Rohloffed Tout Terrain Silkroad, which is, as mentioned by others 
is very, very, bombproof, drivetrain and otherwise. 

I think its the ultimate technology for worry-free world touring. Not 
everyone likes these hubs, but aside from incredibly rare hub flange 
cracks, Ive heard *zero* legitimate problems with them. As of a few years 
ago, the record was many 100's of K hubs with zero mechanical failures...  

Agree that cable slackness/tension is likely the culprit for the OP's 
shifting woes. 

Regarding shifting itself, the gears are not as immediate to change as a 
derailleur with a clean drivetrain and new chain, but is on the order of a 
1/4 turn of the cranks or less. 

Some people take issue with the mechanical noise of the drivetrain itself, 
and I understand that, but save for the mental torture I've experienced on 
a few all-day climbs, the feeling of inefficiency has never really bothered 
me. I say* feeling* of inefficiency, because I recall that measured 
efficiency is not far off from a dirty drivetrain. 

The weight concentration in the back wheel is why Ive never been a fan for 
MTB use (original design intention of rohloff BTW)... but its a non-issue 
on the loaded touring bike. 

Finally, my favorite aspect of these hubs for loaded touring (aside from 
the incredible longevity of all drivetrain components) is the ability to 
shift to any gear while stopped. This is such a simple feature that 
functionally improves living with a loaded bike in hilly areas or stop and 
go situations quite dramatically. 

Pro tip: I bought my hub online years ago from starbike.com in Deutschland 
and got it for hundreds of $ less than the best US price (they remove 20% 
VAT). Same with Schmidt hubs.
 
Anyway, Be well.

Sam in Seattle, Denver, and Tucson. 




On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 2:26:33 PM UTC-7, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a rider who is experienced with the Rohloff hub to respond 
> to some questions I have.  I recently converted a Simpleone to a Rohloff 
> and have been riding it for about a week, a couple of hundred miles.  The 
> experience is different than I expected -- more challenging -- and I want 
> to see whether my experience is typical or uncommon.  
>
> I would those who might help me to respond with a private message.  I 
> don't want to clutter the discussion group postings.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium Grey Sackville Saddle bag new

[Philip Kim]

Sold thnx

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Re: [RBW] FS: Jones loop bar with threadless adapter and some tool wraps

[David Stein]

I also have a 9cm 26.0 Tallux Stem (I think that is the length I will
double check) for $50.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:29 PM, dstein  wrote:

> I bought this for my Hunqapillar and ran for a while, works great, I
> really like these bars. I put on Caigslist and hoping for a local sale
> (Oakland - Bay Area) as I don't have a box for the handlebars though I
> maybe, possibly, can fit it in two usps show boxes I have taped together,
> haven't tried it yet, so I'll say possible to ship:
>
> Jones H-Bar Loop setup - $110 for bars, threadless adapter, and stem
> (90mm), or $90 for just the bars.
>
> - H-Bar Jones Loop Aluminium 660 31.8 ($120 new)
> - Velo Orange Threadless Stem 31.8, +/-6 deg rise, 90mm ($35 new)
> - VO Threadless Stem Adaptor ($16 new)
> - There is also enough ESI tape to wrap the bars on the inside.
> - I also have some esi grips I can include
>
> Also for sale:
> Mark’s Tool Wrap, Olive - $20+ $5 shipping
> Swift Motto Tool Roll - $20 + $5 shipping
>
>
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Tony DeFilippo]

My wife's 52" orange Clementine shipped, reportedly will arrive next Wednesday. 
 Can't wait, her motobecane mirage and mb-3 are both giving up their best parts 
to build it up... First brand new bike in our household.

I liked the original orange from the prototypes better, it was closer to her 
college, Tennessee's orange.  But I'm sure it will grow on her.  Our it'll get 
recoated eventually.  I must have missed the warning that their would ends up 
being variability in the colors.

Her build is going to start off pretty vanilla;  

Albatross cockpit, single Paul thumbie w/ silver shifter, cork grips
1x8 gearing
Fatty rumpkin tires
Shimano cantis
Canti mounted mini front rack with Wald medium

I do have some Paul levers and aWI Eno crank that may find their way onto the 
Tine but I'm still debating it. I also need to add a rear rack.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle Pro 
Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see if 
they can localize the problem.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Have you serviced the headset yet?
>
> On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
> heading out.
> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
> Kevin
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>>
>> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
>> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
>> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
>> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium Grey Sackville Saddle bag new

[Justin August]

Is the shop sack still around or dos that go as well?

-J

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[RBW] Anyone order a Joe?

[Bill Lindsay]

I am THIS close

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm giggling how seriously awesome that machine looks. Those grips are 
neat, remind me of the ones on my old Schwinn Suburban--hope they are not 
doing the original plan of three different styles! I'm glad the 650B tire 
for the Clem comes in a bit under the 2" mark. I'm planning to try these 
fenders:

http://ecom1.planetbike.com/7054-8.html
Mark from Planet Bike posted the link on the 650B group and said they were 
new and were coming in November. Not sure why they put the info up 
beforehand, with "out of stock." At 60mm, they are rated for 1.9" tires, 
which puts them right at 48mm, which means if you want to get fancy the 
Compass Switchbacks will fit, too. 

I have the old style 26" 65mm SKS from Riv, but they are kinda misshapen at 
this point, and I have another project for them in any case. I worry that 
the newer 65mm model, designed for "29er" wheels, might create a 
problematic fender line (also would have to paint them black). I'm not 
generally fussy, but a handsome work horse like this deserves to have a 
good-looking fender. It would be nice if they were also 65mm, but oh well. 
Anybody else got fenders picked out? Are most going with the new 65mm SKS 
from Riv? I don't know that there are many options at that width, 
especially if you are looking for 650B-specific radius (which the SKS are 
not).



On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 4:40:50 PM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 8:23:26 PM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>>
>> OK, I see that the max tire size on the chart is 60. Does anyone know 
>> what size the bikes will have as delivered?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Reid
>>
>
> This is the way it came  
>

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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This or it's equivalent is pretty much my Grail bike.  Wish I could find a 
frameset like that for $30!!

Great job on a beautiful bike!!!




On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 8:21:47 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
>
> i posted about a 30$ trek 870 frame/fork i found earlier this year HERE 
> .
>  
>  
>
> 
> boredom, and the fact that ive never been able to abide a true beater, 
> turned it into a project that was helped out by several people in the group 
> who supplied parts, so i figured i'd share how it turned out. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] FS LongLow F/F/HS

[IanA]

Frame is sold. Thanks to all those who expressed interest. 

Ian A/Canada

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice to hear people's build plans. For me, I am happy that I don't have to 
think about a thing. Aside from adding the necessary accessories, I plan to 
leave it stock (maybe tires at some point. Partly for fun to see the 
difference). I guess I'm a bit tired of builds right now, fun as they can 
be. In fact, that is a good part of the appeal for me with this particular 
bike. Just take it out of the box and go! In fact if they offered a version 
with fenders and dyno light system I would have gladly paid that premium in 
a second. Racks, too, except for now it will have a Burley Moose Rack for 
the Piccolo.

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> My wife's 52" orange Clementine shipped, reportedly will arrive next 
> Wednesday.  Can't wait, her motobecane mirage and mb-3 are both giving up 
> their best parts to build it up... First brand new bike in our household.
>
> I liked the original orange from the prototypes better, it was closer to 
> her college, Tennessee's orange.  But I'm sure it will grow on her.  Our 
> it'll get recoated eventually.  I must have missed the warning that their 
> would ends up being variability in the colors.
>
> Her build is going to start off pretty vanilla;  
>
> Albatross cockpit, single Paul thumbie w/ silver shifter, cork grips
> 1x8 gearing
> Fatty rumpkin tires
> Shimano cantis
> Canti mounted mini front rack with Wald medium
>
> I do have some Paul levers and aWI Eno crank that may find their way onto 
> the Tine but I'm still debating it. I also need to add a rear rack.
>
>

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[RBW] 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[drew]

i posted about a 30$ trek 870 frame/fork i found earlier this year HERE 
.
 
 

boredom, and the fact that ive never been able to abide a true beater, 
turned it into a project that was helped out by several people in the group 
who supplied parts, so i figured i'd share how it turned out. 







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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Dave Brandt]

As others have mentioned I have also been waiting on a frameset. Part of what I 
enjoy about Rivendell's is the individuality of each bike being set up by each 
owners preferences. Alain I don't know what components are being put on this 
complete to invest $2100. I do like the rigidity of the bullmoose handlebars 
and the angle shown on this one but I don't like not having the ability to 
rotate them to my preferred angle. I understand Rivendell will be selling this 
frame in the future, but who knows when that will be. I'm strongly considering 
going back to a Hunqapiller but I feel in between sizes.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly prefer 
the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees of 
backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight planted 
on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
in this area.  

I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes offered 
as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 



On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>
> Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
> really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.
>
> I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the 
> Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
> could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
> better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a brand 
> new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  
>
>  
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>
>> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem but 
>> the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long chain 
>> stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it seems the 
>> joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the Clem 
>> geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that being 
>> said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a different 
>> price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one day due to 
>> their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun riding it, 
>> that hasn't changed.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Garth]

   As a Bomba owner of an early version I appreciate it even more with each 
succesive model !   It's great not needing another frame . 


   

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:33:06 AM UTC-4, El Sapo wrote:
>
> Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
> really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.
>
> I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the 
> Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
> could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
> better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a brand 
> new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Zed Martinez]

Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near as 
I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions as 
the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an old-school 
bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy 
ones: 
http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/79299784498/long-strong-new-blue-lotsa-lugs-62cms-122
 
I'll let you know after I try it on the Clem next week with an albastache, 
but as near as I can tell from the geometry and from another bike I have 
with a 60mm real top tube (a Simcoe roadster), there's no reason these new 
frames couldn't be built up with "flat" bars for a more mountain-bikey 
posture if you don't mind a little leaning (I prefer it to bolt upright). 
The only thing they require is that the handlebars have to be high (but the 
long reach means despite being high you don't lose the leaning you would 
have with lower closer bars on a traditional frame), and at least on the 
Clems but maybe less on the Appaloosas with their shorter by a smidge top 
tubes an implied non-use of drops. Still, I think with the long top tubes 
and high bars they look perfectly suited to lesser sweep upright and flat 
bars too, personally. I'll report back on if that blows up on me with the 
Clem, since these Appaloosas seem to have been the inspiration for the Clem 
geometries.

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly prefer 
> the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
> Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
> my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
> huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees of 
> backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight planted 
> on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
> in this area.  
>
> I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes offered 
> as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>>
>> Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
>> really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.
>>
>> I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the 
>> Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
>> could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
>> better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a brand 
>> new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  
>>
>>  
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>>> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem 
>>> but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long 
>>> chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it 
>>> seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the 
>>> Clem geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that 
>>> being said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a 
>>> different price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one day 
>>> due to their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun 
>>> riding it, that hasn't changed.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Zed Martinez]

Sweet! Glad to hear it Kurt, and nice seeing it again. I just keep 
remembering that bike whenever the Appaloosa/Clem talk turns to how they 
need to have sweepy bars ;) I just keep thinking how much I'd rather have 
that setup with the more mountainy posture.

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-4, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
>
> 
> That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars!
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near 
>> as I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions 
>> as the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an 
>> old-school bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy ones: 
>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/79299784498/long-strong-new-blue-lotsa-lugs-62cms-122
>>  
>> I'll let you know after I try it on the Clem next week with an albastache, 
>> but as near as I can tell from the geometry and from another bike I have 
>> with a 60mm real top tube (a Simcoe roadster), there's no reason these new 
>> frames couldn't be built up with "flat" bars for a more mountain-bikey 
>> posture if you don't mind a little leaning (I prefer it to bolt upright). 
>> The only thing they require is that the handlebars have to be high (but the 
>> long reach means despite being high you don't lose the leaning you would 
>> have with lower closer bars on a traditional frame), and at least on the 
>> Clems but maybe less on the Appaloosas with their shorter by a smidge top 
>> tubes an implied non-use of drops. Still, I think with the long top tubes 
>> and high bars they look perfectly suited to lesser sweep upright and flat 
>> bars too, personally. I'll report back on if that blows up on me with the 
>> Clem, since these Appaloosas seem to have been the inspiration for the Clem 
>> geometries.
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly 
>>> prefer the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
>>> Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
>>> my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
>>> huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees of 
>>> backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight planted 
>>> on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
>>> in this area.  
>>>
>>> I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes 
>>> offered as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:

 Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
 really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.

 I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's 
 the Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
 could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
 better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a 
 brand 
 new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  

  
 On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:

> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem 
> but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long 
> chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it 
> seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the 
> Clem geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but 
> that 
> being said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a 
> different price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one 
> day 
> due to their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun 
> riding it, that hasn't changed.



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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Kurt Manley]

That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars!

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near as 
> I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions as 
> the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an old-school 
> bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy ones: 
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/79299784498/long-strong-new-blue-lotsa-lugs-62cms-122
>  
> I'll let you know after I try it on the Clem next week with an albastache, 
> but as near as I can tell from the geometry and from another bike I have 
> with a 60mm real top tube (a Simcoe roadster), there's no reason these new 
> frames couldn't be built up with "flat" bars for a more mountain-bikey 
> posture if you don't mind a little leaning (I prefer it to bolt upright). 
> The only thing they require is that the handlebars have to be high (but the 
> long reach means despite being high you don't lose the leaning you would 
> have with lower closer bars on a traditional frame), and at least on the 
> Clems but maybe less on the Appaloosas with their shorter by a smidge top 
> tubes an implied non-use of drops. Still, I think with the long top tubes 
> and high bars they look perfectly suited to lesser sweep upright and flat 
> bars too, personally. I'll report back on if that blows up on me with the 
> Clem, since these Appaloosas seem to have been the inspiration for the Clem 
> geometries.
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly prefer 
>> the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
>> Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
>> my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
>> huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees of 
>> backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight planted 
>> on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
>> in this area.  
>>
>> I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes 
>> offered as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>>>
>>> Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
>>> really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the 
>>> Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
>>> could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
>>> better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a brand 
>>> new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  
>>>
>>>  
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>>>
 Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem 
 but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long 
 chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it 
 seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the 
 Clem geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that 
 being said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a 
 different price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one day 
 due to their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun 
 riding it, that hasn't changed.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Philip Kim]

such a sweet bike!

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:57:32 AM UTC-4, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
>
> 
> That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars!
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near 
>> as I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions 
>> as the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an 
>> old-school bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy ones: 
>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/79299784498/long-strong-new-blue-lotsa-lugs-62cms-122
>>  
>> I'll let you know after I try it on the Clem next week with an albastache, 
>> but as near as I can tell from the geometry and from another bike I have 
>> with a 60mm real top tube (a Simcoe roadster), there's no reason these new 
>> frames couldn't be built up with "flat" bars for a more mountain-bikey 
>> posture if you don't mind a little leaning (I prefer it to bolt upright). 
>> The only thing they require is that the handlebars have to be high (but the 
>> long reach means despite being high you don't lose the leaning you would 
>> have with lower closer bars on a traditional frame), and at least on the 
>> Clems but maybe less on the Appaloosas with their shorter by a smidge top 
>> tubes an implied non-use of drops. Still, I think with the long top tubes 
>> and high bars they look perfectly suited to lesser sweep upright and flat 
>> bars too, personally. I'll report back on if that blows up on me with the 
>> Clem, since these Appaloosas seem to have been the inspiration for the Clem 
>> geometries.
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly 
>>> prefer the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
>>> Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
>>> my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
>>> huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees of 
>>> backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight planted 
>>> on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
>>> in this area.  
>>>
>>> I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes 
>>> offered as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:

 Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
 really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.

 I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's 
 the Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
 could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
 better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a 
 brand 
 new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  

  
 On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:

> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem 
> but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long 
> chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it 
> seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the 
> Clem geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but 
> that 
> being said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a 
> different price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one 
> day 
> due to their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun 
> riding it, that hasn't changed.



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[RBW] Re: WATERTON CANYON REOPENED

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome! Those canyons with railroad grade road are wondrous to ride! (Is 
that what Waterton Canyon is, former rail?) I've always loved the 
handlebars on those Cheviots. Lots of hand positions, if you can get a 
grip. Cool, rainy rides are always delicious. I just enjoyed the wee ride 
here (first time on the bike in 14 days -- brain's slowly inching back to 
"normal"). 8 miles of drizzle at 32˚F on Bregalad, aka Quickbeam. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:46:55 PM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:
>
> Waterton Canyon had been closed for a couple of months due to bear activity
>

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE!

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:40:50 PM UTC-7, El Sapo wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 8:23:26 PM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>>
>> OK, I see that the max tire size on the chart is 60. Does anyone know 
>> what size the bikes will have as delivered?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Reid
>>
>
> This is the way it came  
>

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[RBW] Anyone order a Joe?

[Christopher Murray]

Looking over the Joe Appaloosa on the Blug and it looks like a great bike. The 
pre-order price is a great deal. Anyone pull the trigger and order one? I am 
guessing they won't last long- only 4 55cms left!!!

I missed the Clem but am thinking seriously about this one.

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[drew]

im still not sure what exactly makes this more like a 
hunq/atlantis/bombadil than a sam hillborne. from my novice reading and 
riv's 2011 chart, the geometry is almost the same as a sam (excluding 
longer stays), the prototype looks like a sam and it's replacing the sam in 
the lineup for now. i understand it has canti mounts, but sams have had 
those too. 

when i first heard about it, i was excited about the idea of sam with more 
off road tendencies. i thought it filled a gap in the lineup and would 
appeal to people who wanted something for rougher stuff who would be put 
off by the extreme stoutness of atlanti/hunq/bombadil (and now clem), and 
would appreciate a slightly lighter version.  at the pricepoint, it seems 
like it could compete with the somas and salsas and all those brands. 

i guess im just confused as to why they would market it as a cheaper 
atlantis. it seems like that will only diminish atlantis sales and not add 
anything new to the lineup that isnt covered by a few other bikes already. 

still, i think it is an awesome bike. 


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[RBW] Nitto Choco-Moose

[jeffrey kane]

Let me say -- that thing is packing a serious dose of cool. And if it 
accepts bar-ends I'm-a certain to be an early adopter.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Now that, I do like!!!   I have to say that Bullmoose handlebars are sort 
of an end goal for me on my dream bike.  Is that a 26", 650B or 700c bike?



On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:57:32 AM UTC-5, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
>
> 
> That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars!
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near 
>> as I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions 
>> as the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an 
>> old-school bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy ones: 
>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/79299784498/long-strong-new-blue-lotsa-lugs-62cms-122
>>  
>> I'll let you know after I try it on the Clem next week with an albastache, 
>> but as near as I can tell from the geometry and from another bike I have 
>> with a 60mm real top tube (a Simcoe roadster), there's no reason these new 
>> frames couldn't be built up with "flat" bars for a more mountain-bikey 
>> posture if you don't mind a little leaning (I prefer it to bolt upright). 
>> The only thing they require is that the handlebars have to be high (but the 
>> long reach means despite being high you don't lose the leaning you would 
>> have with lower closer bars on a traditional frame), and at least on the 
>> Clems but maybe less on the Appaloosas with their shorter by a smidge top 
>> tubes an implied non-use of drops. Still, I think with the long top tubes 
>> and high bars they look perfectly suited to lesser sweep upright and flat 
>> bars too, personally. I'll report back on if that blows up on me with the 
>> Clem, since these Appaloosas seem to have been the inspiration for the Clem 
>> geometries.
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly 
>>> prefer the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
>>> Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
>>> my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
>>> huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees of 
>>> backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight planted 
>>> on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
>>> in this area.  
>>>
>>> I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes 
>>> offered as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:

 Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
 really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.

 I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's 
 the Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
 could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
 better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a 
 brand 
 new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  

  
 On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:

> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem 
> but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long 
> chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it 
> seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the 
> Clem geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but 
> that 
> being said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a 
> different price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one 
> day 
> due to their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun 
> riding it, that hasn't changed.



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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Philip Kim]

I thought about this too, but maybe it has to do with tubing? They created 
a new fork crown, which seems to be made for rougher stuff.

The geometry is different than a Sam. Longer wheelbase - longer CS and more 
fork rake. Lower BB, longer TT. HT and ST seems to be in between the 
Atlantis and Sam.

Seems like a more stretched out and stable bike, and sits between an 
atlantis and hillborne.

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:30:03 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> im still not sure what exactly makes this more like a 
> hunq/atlantis/bombadil than a sam hillborne. from my novice reading and 
> riv's 2011 chart, the geometry is almost the same as a sam (excluding 
> longer stays), the prototype looks like a sam and it's replacing the sam in 
> the lineup for now. i understand it has canti mounts, but sams have had 
> those too. 
>
> when i first heard about it, i was excited about the idea of sam with more 
> off road tendencies. i thought it filled a gap in the lineup and would 
> appeal to people who wanted something for rougher stuff who would be put 
> off by the extreme stoutness of atlanti/hunq/bombadil (and now clem), and 
> would appreciate a slightly lighter version.  at the pricepoint, it seems 
> like it could compete with the somas and salsas and all those brands. 
>
> i guess im just confused as to why they would market it as a cheaper 
> atlantis. it seems like that will only diminish atlantis sales and not add 
> anything new to the lineup that isnt covered by a few other bikes already. 
>
> still, i think it is an awesome bike. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[El Sapo]

I'm a bullmoose handlebar lover. But after riding this bosco bullmoose, I think 
it's better (for me). Ive moved on from drop bars. This Bosco is going to make 
me move on from mountain bike bars. Keep in mind that your hand position can 
move from the grips (way back) to a point where they are right at the head 
tube. That's plenty of posture change for me. I think people are going to love 
the bosco.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Bill Lindsay]

"i guess im just confused as to why they would market it as a cheaper 
atlantis."

I disagree that they are  "marketing it as a cheaper atlantis".  They 
sometimes attempt to give us context about what kind of riding it is 
intended with relative statements like it fits in between the Atlantis and 
Hunqapillar.  They sometimes describe bikes relative to other bikes with 
similar designs, like "it's like a Hillborne with longer chainstays and 
cantilever brakes.  I wouldn't call any of that marketing.  They are trying 
to explain what it is to people who might look at it and say "what the heck 
is that?"  For those of us who don't need the relative comparisons to other 
models, we can ignore them.  The Joe Appaloosa is just a kickass bike, 
which is good enough for me.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> im still not sure what exactly makes this more like a 
> hunq/atlantis/bombadil than a sam hillborne. from my novice reading and 
> riv's 2011 chart, the geometry is almost the same as a sam (excluding 
> longer stays), the prototype looks like a sam and it's replacing the sam in 
> the lineup for now. i understand it has canti mounts, but sams have had 
> those too. 
>
> when i first heard about it, i was excited about the idea of sam with more 
> off road tendencies. i thought it filled a gap in the lineup and would 
> appeal to people who wanted something for rougher stuff who would be put 
> off by the extreme stoutness of atlanti/hunq/bombadil (and now clem), and 
> would appreciate a slightly lighter version.  at the pricepoint, it seems 
> like it could compete with the somas and salsas and all those brands. 
>
> i guess im just confused as to why they would market it as a cheaper 
> atlantis. it seems like that will only diminish atlantis sales and not add 
> anything new to the lineup that isnt covered by a few other bikes already. 
>
> still, i think it is an awesome bike. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS 68 Atlantis or 68 Quickbeam

[Abcyclehank]

Keeping the 64 Bombadil and one of these

Sale through Sunday 6 PM eastern time

Early Atlantis serial number under 400.
$1750 plus actual shipping.

Green Quickbeam with 3 speed rear hub.
$1700 plus actual shipping.

Pleas contact me off list for additional details or build options.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
Spring Lake, MI 49456

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Re: [RBW] FS: Jones loop bar with threadless adapter and some tool wraps

[Philip Kim]

Can't seem to pm right now please email me.

Philipwkim@gmail

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Kurt Manley]

It's a 700c, 29x2.1 on it in the photo

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:21:46 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Now that, I do like!!!   I have to say that Bullmoose handlebars are sort 
> of an end goal for me on my dream bike.  Is that a 26", 650B or 700c bike?
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:57:32 AM UTC-5, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> That's my bike and it works great with regular bullmoose bars!
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris, last year on the Blug there was a prototype of this that as near 
>>> as I can tell here plotting it out in Illustrator had the same proportions 
>>> as the final 62cm Appaloosa, and they actually built it up with an 
>>> old-school bullmoose and not the bosco-sweepy ones: 
>>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/79299784498/long-strong-new-blue-lotsa-lugs-62cms-122
>>>  
>>> I'll let you know after I try it on the Clem next week with an albastache, 
>>> but as near as I can tell from the geometry and from another bike I have 
>>> with a 60mm real top tube (a Simcoe roadster), there's no reason these new 
>>> frames couldn't be built up with "flat" bars for a more mountain-bikey 
>>> posture if you don't mind a little leaning (I prefer it to bolt upright). 
>>> The only thing they require is that the handlebars have to be high (but the 
>>> long reach means despite being high you don't lose the leaning you would 
>>> have with lower closer bars on a traditional frame), and at least on the 
>>> Clems but maybe less on the Appaloosas with their shorter by a smidge top 
>>> tubes an implied non-use of drops. Still, I think with the long top tubes 
>>> and high bars they look perfectly suited to lesser sweep upright and flat 
>>> bars too, personally. I'll report back on if that blows up on me with the 
>>> Clem, since these Appaloosas seem to have been the inspiration for the Clem 
>>> geometries.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 I've never owned a Riv but as a potential future buyer, I strongly 
 prefer the Atlantis/Bombadil/Hunqapillar line of bikes over the Clem and 
 Appaloosa.  I have reservations about the super long chainstays but mostly 
 my reservations revolve around the move to designing bikes for bars with 
 huge rise and sweep-back.  I like traditional MTB bars with 9-10 degrees 
 of 
 backsweep and up to about 40mm of rise and I like more of my weight 
 planted 
 on the front wheel.  I don't know if the new models would work well for me 
 in this area.  

 I just wish RBW would make a less expensive version of those bikes 
 offered as a frameset rather than the direction they are currently going. 



 On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:33:06 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>
> Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
> really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.
>
> I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's 
> the Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
> could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
> better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a 
> brand 
> new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  
>
>  
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>
>> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem 
>> but the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features 
>> (long 
>> chain stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it 
>> seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the 
>> Clem geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but 
>> that 
>> being said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a 
>> different price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one 
>> day 
>> due to their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun 
>> riding it, that hasn't changed.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium Grey Sackville Saddle bag new

[Philip Kim]

Bump, will also include Rivsack medium shopsack for front basket as well 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bashm-gr.htm). this is slightly used but 
still in great condition.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:00:53 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Price drop $190 shipped.
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassm-gr.htm
>>
>> That is the specific model and size
>>
>

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[RBW] WATERTON CANYON REOPENED

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Waterton Canyon had been closed for a couple of months due to bear 
activity..well not because of the bears but because the idots hiking up 
there were taking selfies with the bears and getting a bit too close and 
the bears were getting aggressive chasing a cyclist out -a- there.
My friend Terry on his Bridgestone MB-6 and I on my Sam Hillborne ventured 
out the first day it reopened to the public, in the rain, and 45' temps to 
check it out. A bit too late to see the fall colors but we weren't 
disappointed.
We ran into a couple of Cheviots[image: ☺]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/albums/72157660560309461

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