[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[WETH]

Tony,
That is some great work!  The bike and build are looking beautiful.  I look 
forward to a ride report.
-Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Steve Cole]

Hi,

First, thanks to all who replied to my post and the questions I posed.  A 
lot of help, but so far not all of the problems have been solved.  I've 
played with the cable adjusters and the tension seems to be reduced 
somewhat.  The manual says, "When winding the cable adjusters out, the 
cable tension is increased."  This suggests that with the cable adjusters 
tightened all the way (in), the shifters should be easiest to turn.  I 
don't think there's much I can do beyond this to make shifting easier; I 
guess I'll develop a right forearm like a tennis pro, which should allow me 
to spin some yarns.

As for the freewheeling, I've pretty much isolated the issue to a couple of 
gear shifts -- from 5th to 6th and 10th to 11th, and the equivalent 
downshifts.  As others have noted, a slight pause and the shifting is 
pretty seamless.  I would have hoped and expected that shifting would have 
been seamless between all gears with the possible exception of the oft 
noted 7th to 8th.  Comments on this would be appreciated.

With respect to the questions asked by those of you who replied.  Here are 
some answers:

1.  The Simpleone normally has a 120 mm rear drop out spacing.  The Rohloff 
hub spacing is 135 mm.  Respecting is relatively easy for a steel framed 
bicycle.  My respecting was done by a custom frame builder.  He also reset 
the dropouts to ensure they are parallel.

2.  Some suggested that having the hub serviced might resolve the 
freewheeling issue.  Unfortunately, it was serviced completely just before 
the build.  Oh well.

3. Noise.  Some respondents suggested that their hub is pretty much silent. 
 I've found mine to be silent in the "upper register," gears 8-14.  7th 
gear is clearly the loudest and the other gears in the lower register also 
are accompanied with some friction-related noise.  I'm not bothered but am 
curious whether a perfectly operating hub should be virtually silent in all 
gears when not shifting.

Even with these issues, I find I falling for this bike.  I find myself 
finding opportunities to ride it that I might have otherwise passed up.  I 
also find I'm not want to take my AHH out as of yet.  It may still be the 
newness or my continuing curiosity about this new machine.  Still, I love 
the ride and the quirks.  More to come with more experience with it.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA 22203 




On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 5:26:33 PM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a rider who is experienced with the Rohloff hub to respond 
> to some questions I have.  I recently converted a Simpleone to a Rohloff 
> and have been riding it for about a week, a couple of hundred miles.  The 
> experience is different than I expected -- more challenging -- and I want 
> to see whether my experience is typical or uncommon.  
>
> I would those who might help me to respond with a private message.  I 
> don't want to clutter the discussion group postings.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Build help needed

[Edwin W]

So it sounds like:
Get a new bottom bracket with a longer spindle, which would move both crank 
arms out and increase Q factor. 
Get some spacers for drive side. This would move the existing spindle inward on 
the non-drive side and outward on the drive side. Q factor stays the same, and 
you'd be a bit asymmetric, but only by the mm you move. 
Depending on how much I need to move it might determine the fix.
I hit the stay as I was installing the crank, but probably not too much. 
Hopefully the LBS will do me a little swap without paying too much. 
I think I will go for a new one to be safe. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Evan Baird]

Have y'all seen these yet?

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2015/10/30/cycle-monkey-distributing-gebla-rohbox-us#.Vj-UnMvTnqA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/08/2015 11:52 AM, Steve Cole wrote:

Hi,

First, thanks to all who replied to my post and the questions I posed. 
 A lot of help, but so far not all of the problems have been solved. 
 I've played with the cable adjusters and the tension seems to be 
reduced somewhat.  The manual says, "When winding the cable adjusters 
out, the cable tension is increased." This suggests that with the 
cable adjusters tightened all the way (in), the shifters should be 
easiest to turn.


Screwing adjusters out increases cable tension, while screwing them in 
decreases cable tension.  One should not assume that cable tension has 
anything to do with whether shifters are easy to turn or not.   I've 
tried a number of different types of shifters, even a twist grip once or 
twice, and I don't recall any where the shifter became more difficult to 
turn (whatever that means) as you shifted into lower and lower gears.   
I think you need to look elsewhere to find the source of your problem.





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Re: [RBW] 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Tim Gavin]

Regarding your second question, the RD will work.

You can friction or index a 10-speed cassette with a 9-speed Shimano rear
derailer.  The shifter controls the speeds and/or indexing; "SIS" derailers
(7, 8, 9 speed MTB, 7, 8, 9, 10 speed road) all have the same cable pull
ratio and are interchangeable.


I've only tried index for 10-speeds, and I've never tried the Sunrace
shifters, so I can't answer your first question.

I don't know if the Sunrace shifters have enough travel for a 10 speed
cassette.

I did notice that the Shimano levers travel farther; 10-speed shifters
couldn't reach their 10th click when I mounted them on 9-speed bar-end
pods.  Shimano's 10-speed bar-end pods are a different casting that allows
further lever travel.  But, that's for indexing.

But, a 10-speed cassette is only ~1.5 mm wider than a 9-speed cassette, so
one would hope that the shifters could permit that extra travel.  Shimano's
9-speeds did not.

Sounds like a definite maybe.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:08 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Last thing I'm trying to nail down is a cassette. Found exact gearing that
> I want in a 10-speed cassette. Anyone successfully friction shifted
> 10-speed cassette with the Sunrace thumb/barend shifters that Riv sells?
> I might be complicating issues by using a 9-speed derailer, but that
> really shouldn't matter in a friction shifting setup, right?
> David
> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

I wanted to get the date out there as soon as I had it, and here's some
more information on what exactly the RSR is. This is the best write up of
last year's event:
http://ridinggravel.forumchitchat.com/post/strada-rossa-around-redlands-calif-march-21-2015-7345407?pid=1286625981#post1286625981

And some pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/albums/72157651110302400


https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157651165005667

Also a great video that's in the link above, but deserves it's own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlq_CD5FbU=youtu.be_channel=JamesWei

The intention is to have a solid ride that's just tough enough, but not too
tough for most people. Around 100km (62 miles), and doable on a MTB or a
road bike, but best enjoyed on a cross bike. Last year we really put a
great course together that avoided traffic, and was able to be altered by
riders to shorten up on skip portions easily. Moderate levels of
support/aide stations. And inexpensive.

We want to get people on bikes (!) and promote the riding in and around
Redlands. Open to any suggestions you may have!

Will be able to find lodging for out of towners, just give me a holler and
will see if we can dig up a sofa somewhere. Will hopefully be worth the
drive!!!

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:08 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
> --
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> David
>
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>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Rivendell sightings

[dstein]

I love living in the Bay Area and seeing so many Rivendells out there!

Spotted this weekend:
A Betty Foy outside the Ferry Building yesterday morning
An Atlantis on BART getting on at downtown Oakland yesterday afternoon
3 Rivendell's this morning around 8:30-9AM descending Tunnel Rd as I was 
just starting my climb up it (I think these were all Riv's, at least one 
was and the other two were Riv'd out if nothing else)
A Sam Hillborne at the Top of Tunnel Rd that I chatted with for a brief 
second onto Skyline

I also saw a pretty decked out Surly with racks descending Tunnel Rd near 
the top as well and pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge 
Bart of Friday.

Hope to see some Clems out there soon!



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[RBW] 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[David Banzer]

Last thing I'm trying to nail down is a cassette. Found exact gearing that 
I want in a 10-speed cassette. Anyone successfully friction shifted 
10-speed cassette with the Sunrace thumb/barend shifters that Riv sells? 
I might be complicating issues by using a 9-speed derailer, but that really 
shouldn't matter in a friction shifting setup, right?
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with a tubeless conversion

[Tim Gavin]

My tubeless experience:

Non-tubeless-ready Pari Moto tires on tubeless-ready Pacenti PL23 rims --
Set up easily (with compressor), but unreliable.  The Pari Moto sidewalls
are so thin that the sealant and air can seep through.  They'd leak down to
25 psi within an hour, as I found out a couple times an hour into my ride!
The tires stayed in their bead seat when deflated; the PL23 bead works well.

Non-tubeless-ready Ground Control fat tires on non-tubeless-ready stock
rims -- Set up was a pain (super wide rim tape required, tedious to lay
down), but relatively reliable.  Stayed set and held pressure (quite low,
<10 psi) for a while, but eventually leaks formed as the liquid sealant
wormed its way through the seams in the tape job.  The tire construction is
heavier (60 tpi) and I never had sealant leak through.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I know that this is something to be aware of, and perhaps, in certain
> circumstances, to be afraid of, but the man (older -- well, mid '30s --
> with many years of wrenching) who did my conversion took a quite
> conservative approach, and I am confident that he would not have proceeded
> unless the setup was safe. Said fellow refused to convert my Elk Passes
> onto Sun M14A rims for this very reason -- he installed Stan's tape,
> installed the EPs, pumped them up, and shoved the wheel into my hand. He
> said, in effect, taka lookat this. I did; and just a wee bit of thumb
> pressure broke the bead/rim wall seal and the air rushed out. The Kojak
> bead/rimwall seal was much different.
>
> Therefore, I am confident that, as long as I maintain sufficient pressure
> in the tires, I need not fear "burping" or sudden air loss due to unsealed
> beads.
>
> If that were all involved, I'd be drunk and happy. But my anxiety extends
> beyond this to niggling matters of daily maintenance: I don't want a setup
> were I have to religiously monitor my air pressure. Or, I might apostasize
> and accept this situation, but if I do, I'll buy a compressor.
>
> Anyway: What I seeks is a tubeless setup that not only is safe, but a
> setup where the mechanical interaction of bead and rim wall, aided by
> sealant, is sufficient to keep the bead securely in place, be the air
> pressure what it may. That is, a mechanical interface that provides an
> airtight seal even if the pressure in the tire is reduced to ambient
> pressure.
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> I've talked to (online, anyway) a tandem captain who had that happen.
>>
>> On 11/07/2015 07:07 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> O Gawd. Talk to the 2 experienced mechanics about the likelihood of that
>> happening.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure no experienced mechanic would be in favor of having a
>>> tire come entirely off the rim on a fast downhill after a puncture, or
>>> would think that a good  learning experience.
>>>
>>> On 11/07/2015 05:25 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> You opinion against that of 2 very experienced mechanics.
>>>
>>> The downside I see is rather the need to continually monitor the tire
>>> pressure, as it seems to be air pressure alone, and not bead-to-wall
>>> interaction, that keeps the bead where it should be.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Steve Palincsar < 
>>> palin...@his.com> wrote:
>>>

 On 11/07/2015 04:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Interesting experience! I've built my own bikes since late 1970 --
> this after several years already of modifying bikes -- and over the years
> I've very often found myself learning the very hard way.
>

 I think in this case "learning the very hard way" would most likely
 involve a puncture on a fast downhill and the tire coming entirely off the
 rim, and I'm pretty sure you really wouldn't want to learn anything that
 way.


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Bruce Smitham]

That's really cool. I don't see many around here in San Diego. If I do see 
a Riv occasionally but they kind of keep quiet and to themselves. Primarily 
I see a lot of road/tri riders up and down the coast racing each other, 
running stop signs and lights to keep their Strava times down. All the 
stores on the coast cater to them. I also frequently see bike touring folk 
heading south and ending their journeys so that's kind of neat. I chat with 
them whenever I can.

Bruce "who sometimes feels like the only Riv rider in San DIego" Smitham

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> I love living in the Bay Area and seeing so many Rivendells out there!
>
> Spotted this weekend:
> A Betty Foy outside the Ferry Building yesterday morning
> An Atlantis on BART getting on at downtown Oakland yesterday afternoon
> 3 Rivendell's this morning around 8:30-9AM descending Tunnel Rd as I was 
> just starting my climb up it (I think these were all Riv's, at least one 
> was and the other two were Riv'd out if nothing else)
> A Sam Hillborne at the Top of Tunnel Rd that I chatted with for a brief 
> second onto Skyline
>
> I also saw a pretty decked out Surly with racks descending Tunnel Rd near 
> the top as well and pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge 
> Bart of Friday.
>
> Hope to see some Clems out there soon!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Daniel D.]

Wow, I get the heebie jeebies locking up my $125 beater at BART, hey it's a 
nice beater.
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
>  pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge Bart of Friday.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Daniel D.]

wow, nice confidence

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>
> Hillborne locked up near Rockridge Bart of Friday.
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Tony, the bike looks great. I know others have expressed a preference 
for the proto orange, but I much prefer this version.

 It's interesting that the angle of your photos, from slightly more above, 
really emphasizes the length of those chainstays! 

Regarding the tediousness of tension, that need not be:

http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html#chain

Obviously with a bike like the Clem, you are going to be adding, not 
subtracting. So in that case I would simply attach a nice extra length of 
chain that you know will more than do it, and then follow Sheldon's method 
above. Works like a charm for me every time, even on a Big Dummy

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:09:27 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> my parts bin yielded enough of a second SRAM 830 chain for me to make it 
> work, then it was the tedious process of getting the tension right. I think 
> it could still do with a link or two more removed but I'll get some riding 
> in before I commit.  
>
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[RBW] Anybody switched from 58 to 62 Hunq?

[Daniel Jackson]

If so, what were your reasons, was it the right choice, and what is your PBH 
and height?

Thanks folks. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[KC]

Aw, I was hoping to see my orange Cheviot included in the sightings. Had a 
great ride Saturday from the Richmond Bay area to Berkeley for lunch, then 
around the Bay Trail. Such a beautiful day. We don't get to have rides like 
that without generally starting off with a car trip, so really enjoy it. 

Driving south now and sad to be leaving, but thx to a list member i have a set 
of rock n roads to test out now so have to think about where to go on them. 

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[RBW] Re: Anybody switched from 58 to 62 Hunq?

[Deacon Patrick]

I didn't switch because I didn't have to -- Grant put me in a 62 
Hunqapillar to start. PBH 90. Love it!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 4:48:50 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> If so, what were your reasons, was it the right choice, and what is your 
> PBH and height?
>
> Thanks folks. 
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[RBW] Re: Anybody switched from 58 to 62 Hunq?

[Deacon Patrick]

You really could go either way I suspect. Did you work with Rivendell? I'm 
sure they set you up with the right stem/bar combo. If you do trail riding 
now or ever, most people like the extra stand over height (I've never had 
an issue with this.). Long way of saying if I'd gotten the 58 I'd likely 
love it just as much.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:05:29 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Yep, this is what I'm afraid of Deacon. I'm your size and measurement 
> exactly and looking at your photos, it's not as though your seatpost is 
> bottoming out or your bars are maladjusted. 
>
> I've got a 58 on the way and I think it was the wrong choice. Fret fret 
> fret. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with a tubeless conversion

[Patrick Moore]

Tim -- wouldn't the sealant eventually form a "skin" inside the Pari Motos,
and seal the tape seams?

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> My tubeless experience:
>
> Non-tubeless-ready Pari Moto tires on tubeless-ready Pacenti PL23 rims --
> Set up easily (with compressor), but unreliable.  The Pari Moto sidewalls
> are so thin that the sealant and air can seep through.  They'd leak down to
> 25 psi within an hour, as I found out a couple times an hour into my ride!
> The tires stayed in their bead seat when deflated; the PL23 bead works well.
>
> Non-tubeless-ready Ground Control fat tires on non-tubeless-ready stock
> rims -- Set up was a pain (super wide rim tape required, tedious to lay
> down), but relatively reliable.  Stayed set and held pressure (quite low,
> <10 psi) for a while, but eventually leaks formed as the liquid sealant
> wormed its way through the seams in the tape job.  The tire construction is
> heavier (60 tpi) and I never had sealant leak through.
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I know that this is something to be aware of, and perhaps, in certain
>> circumstances, to be afraid of, but the man (older -- well, mid '30s --
>> with many years of wrenching) who did my conversion took a quite
>> conservative approach, and I am confident that he would not have proceeded
>> unless the setup was safe. Said fellow refused to convert my Elk Passes
>> onto Sun M14A rims for this very reason -- he installed Stan's tape,
>> installed the EPs, pumped them up, and shoved the wheel into my hand. He
>> said, in effect, taka lookat this. I did; and just a wee bit of thumb
>> pressure broke the bead/rim wall seal and the air rushed out. The Kojak
>> bead/rimwall seal was much different.
>>
>> Therefore, I am confident that, as long as I maintain sufficient pressure
>> in the tires, I need not fear "burping" or sudden air loss due to unsealed
>> beads.
>>
>> If that were all involved, I'd be drunk and happy. But my anxiety extends
>> beyond this to niggling matters of daily maintenance: I don't want a setup
>> were I have to religiously monitor my air pressure. Or, I might apostasize
>> and accept this situation, but if I do, I'll buy a compressor.
>>
>> Anyway: What I seeks is a tubeless setup that not only is safe, but a
>> setup where the mechanical interaction of bead and rim wall, aided by
>> sealant, is sufficient to keep the bead securely in place, be the air
>> pressure what it may. That is, a mechanical interface that provides an
>> airtight seal even if the pressure in the tire is reduced to ambient
>> pressure.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>>> I've talked to (online, anyway) a tandem captain who had that happen.
>>>
>>> On 11/07/2015 07:07 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> O Gawd. Talk to the 2 experienced mechanics about the likelihood of that
>>> happening.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm pretty sure no experienced mechanic would be in favor of having a
 tire come entirely off the rim on a fast downhill after a puncture, or
 would think that a good  learning experience.

 On 11/07/2015 05:25 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

 You opinion against that of 2 very experienced mechanics.

 The downside I see is rather the need to continually monitor the tire
 pressure, as it seems to be air pressure alone, and not bead-to-wall
 interaction, that keeps the bead where it should be.

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Steve Palincsar < 
 palin...@his.com> wrote:

>
> On 11/07/2015 04:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Interesting experience! I've built my own bikes since late 1970 --
>> this after several years already of modifying bikes -- and over the years
>> I've very often found myself learning the very hard way.
>>
>
> I think in this case "learning the very hard way" would most likely
> involve a puncture on a fast downhill and the tire coming entirely off the
> rim, and I'm pretty sure you really wouldn't want to learn anything that
> way.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Will]

This is easy to fix. Get pitlocks for the wheels, a piitstopper for the 
bars and seat, a micro U-lock (Abus)  for the frame. Total cost, less than 
$200. Security = 100%. Nobody will get your bike.

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:13:57 PM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Wow, I get the heebie jeebies locking up my $125 beater at BART, hey it's 
> a nice beater.
> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>>  pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge Bart of Friday.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

And I hope it can maintain it's allure to keep those cross-country
travelers excited about it!

There's talk of bumping it up to a full Imperial century this year... watch
out! The trick is to make it a shared course that everyone can enjoy. Will
be working diligently on that in the coming months!

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Begley, Ian  wrote:

> David
>  It's always been worth the commute!!
> There is at least one that traverses the country to ride it.
>Ian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 12:37 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> I wanted to get the date out there as soon as I had it, and here's some
> more information on what exactly the RSR is. This is the best write up of
> last year's event:
>
> http://ridinggravel.forumchitchat.com/post/strada-rossa-around-redlands-calif-march-21-2015-7345407?pid=1286625981#post1286625981
>
> And some pics:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/albums/72157651110302400
> 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157651165005667
>
> Also a great video that's in the link above, but deserves it's own:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlq_CD5FbU=youtu.be_channel=JamesWei
>
> The intention is to have a solid ride that's just tough enough, but not
> too tough for most people. Around 100km (62 miles), and doable on a MTB or
> a road bike, but best enjoyed on a cross bike. Last year we really put a
> great course together that avoided traffic, and was able to be altered by
> riders to shorten up on skip portions easily. Moderate levels of
> support/aide stations. And inexpensive.
>
> We want to get people on bikes (!) and promote the riding in and around
> Redlands. Open to any suggestions you may have!
>
> Will be able to find lodging for out of towners, just give me a holler and
> will see if we can dig up a sofa somewhere. Will hopefully be worth the
> drive!!!
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:08 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>
>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> --
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with a tubeless conversion

[Patrick Moore]

What sealant did you use? (Should have asked this with the earlier email.)

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Tim -- wouldn't the sealant eventually form a "skin" inside the Pari
>> Motos, and seal the tape seams?
>>
>>
> I wish it did!  But, 6 weeks in to the tubeless experiment, I still had to
> pump up the tires every hour or so, and froth would result from the
> sidewalls.  After all that frustration -- and two falls due to low pressure
> -- I gave up on running the Pari-Motos tubeless.
>
> I tried tubeless because:
> * I had tons of flats with the previous tires (Lierres), and I got a flat
> within the first 50 miles of the Pari Motos with tubes.
> * The PL23 rims are tubeless-ready
>
> What's funny is that since got a new set of Pari-Motos and ran them with
> tubes, I've had zero flats in ~1000 miles.  I did put some sealant in the
> tubes to be safe, but I've had no punctures to test it (I'm OK with that).
>
>
> On my fat tires, the tape was heavy .014 mil vinyl and it had some
> wrinkles upon application (too heavy to lay down completely smooth).  The
> sealant worked its way into those wrinkles and wet the adhesive enough to
> keep the channels open.  I'd get sealant leaks up through the rim holes.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with a tubeless conversion

[Tim Gavin]

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> What sealant did you use? (Should have asked this with the earlier email.)
>

Stan's.  I've heard good things about Orange Seal, but I hate the orange
stains it leaves (especially on skinwall tires).

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Daniel D.]

That sounds pretty good and what I'm willing to do/carry but I'd say that's 
65% security :p.  If a thief wants your bike they're getting your bike.
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 4:30:51 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>
> This is easy to fix. Get pitlocks for the wheels, a piitstopper for the 
> bars and seat, a micro U-lock (Abus)  for the frame. Total cost, less than 
> $200. Security = 100%. Nobody will get your bike.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:13:57 PM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I get the heebie jeebies locking up my $125 beater at BART, hey it's 
>> a nice beater.
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>>  pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge Bart of Friday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[David Banzer]

Well, a big nevermind. 
I forgot the wheel I have built up has an older Deore 7s freehub, so 
obviously 10-speed (all 10) won't fit.
And I managed to take apart a couple pinned 7s cassettes to get a 
reasonable range for my Clem.
For those interested, it'll be a 42t single chainring with a 
12-13-14-15-16-21-28 cassette. It's really flat here, so I like a range of 
flatland gears. I'll most likely be in the 14-15-16 range mostly - will be 
starting with 42mm tires at first as that's what I already have. The 12t 
probably won't get use, and I have a top 13t I can add and throw in 
something between the large jumps.
David
Chicago

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:08:24 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Last thing I'm trying to nail down is a cassette. Found exact gearing that 
> I want in a 10-speed cassette. Anyone successfully friction shifted 
> 10-speed cassette with the Sunrace thumb/barend shifters that Riv sells? 
> I might be complicating issues by using a 9-speed derailer, but that 
> really shouldn't matter in a friction shifting setup, right?
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with a tubeless conversion

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the details. We'll see if Vaughn can do anything for those
Kojaks.if not, its back to Elk Passes with tubes (these remain on my
gofast).

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> What sealant did you use? (Should have asked this with the earlier email.)
>>
>
> Stan's.  I've heard good things about Orange Seal, but I hate the orange
> stains it leaves (especially on skinwall tires).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Daniel Jackson]

Get rid of the GB shifter; get a Rohloff shifter. Very likely this will ease 
shifting. I've seen this problem on a few GB setups and issues were solved with 
swapping out for a rohloff shifter. 

It may be that in these cases the recabling is what fixed the issue, but 
unlikely because in two cases I've seen both the GB and he Rohloff cabling were 
done by the same experienced mechanic. 

My 2 cents...

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

There's a good segment of dirt that's finally open after construction the
last couple years. Basically leads you right to the airport and Hangar. I
think they should be a corporate sponsor for this!!!

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:22 PM, James Warren 
wrote:

> All that with a stop at Hangar 24. It's hard to mentally process the
> goodness magnitude.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cyclotourist
> Sent: Nov 8, 2015 4:56 PM
> To: Doug Peterson
> Cc: "SoCal All Rounders (SCAR)" , RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!
>
> Glad to know I'm not the only person that thinks so!!! I think this is a
> really unique ride. Taking a bit from randos, centuries, fun rides, fondos,
> singletrack. Mix it all together in sunny Southern California, and you have
> bicycle goodness!
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:
>
>> Marked my calendar.  This is a must-do event.
>>
>> doug
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>>
>>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Tom Virgil]

Hello Bruce and valued member of the Smitham family.

I believe I see you from time to time on Carmel Valley Road between I5 and 
the coast.  I am usually returning from science park up in Torrey Pines (in 
a car) where I now work after something of a career change.  That's another 
topic.   I have seen your father once on Carmel Creek Road (hat under 
helmet is pretty unique, but wise if he is dealing with a dermatologist.  I 
understand that).   Out on the 56 bikeway I am riding a powder blue Sam 
with cream trim and magenta handlebar tape, or my merlot (thought you might 
like that) Boulder All Road.  Hugh has road tested the All Road  and seemed 
to come away with a good opinion.

I recently returned to gmail and saw some old email about an ebike for 
Bruce Sr.   My sincere apology for not being responsive.  If you or your 
father would like to try one, let me know, I  have one.  It's not for sale, 
so no guile here, but there are ways of watching the sales at TREK and 
getting a substantial discount.  I use mine for riding to work and riding 
in street clothes without sweating out the bike garb.

I am over in Santa Fe Summit, but way down on the last street before 
Gonzales Canyon.  Great access to the canyon but a lung buster to come up 
Sword and the rest of the world.  Come on down or i will come up and let's 
ride.

Best regards,

Tom




On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:25:14 AM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> That's really cool. I don't see many around here in San Diego. If I do see 
> a Riv occasionally but they kind of keep quiet and to themselves. Primarily 
> I see a lot of road/tri riders up and down the coast racing each other, 
> running stop signs and lights to keep their Strava times down. All the 
> stores on the coast cater to them. I also frequently see bike touring folk 
> heading south and ending their journeys so that's kind of neat. I chat with 
> them whenever I can.
>
> Bruce "who sometimes feels like the only Riv rider in San DIego" Smitham
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I love living in the Bay Area and seeing so many Rivendells out there!
>>
>> Spotted this weekend:
>> A Betty Foy outside the Ferry Building yesterday morning
>> An Atlantis on BART getting on at downtown Oakland yesterday afternoon
>> 3 Rivendell's this morning around 8:30-9AM descending Tunnel Rd as I was 
>> just starting my climb up it (I think these were all Riv's, at least one 
>> was and the other two were Riv'd out if nothing else)
>> A Sam Hillborne at the Top of Tunnel Rd that I chatted with for a brief 
>> second onto Skyline
>>
>> I also saw a pretty decked out Surly with racks descending Tunnel Rd near 
>> the top as well and pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge 
>> Bart of Friday.
>>
>> Hope to see some Clems out there soon!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Ken Yokanovich]

That would be my Goodrich with Rohloff # 5841.  I have had the hub for 
about 12 years, gosh knows how many trouble free miles. The hub itself has 
been through heck and back, several 24 hour solo mountain bike races 
(different bike, ) two unsuccessful attempts at Trans Iowa, many a winter 
rides, toured, generally been ridden anywhere and in about every condition. 
 The hub itself started its life as a non disk brake version, but I had it 
converted by by Thomas of Rohloff 10 years ago.  At that time, he replaced 
the seals on it as the EARLY hubs were prone to some seeping of the oil.

I had Curt build the bike modeled with similar geometry to my Rivendell 
custom (that he also built.)  The hub is great that all of the indexing and 
shifting is contained within the hub itself, nothing special needed by the 
shifter other than the ability to pull two opposing cables.  When it came 
time for the shifter on the bike, I pitched the idea that I just wanted a 
big-ol-knob, like an old stereo.  He had it made with a press-fit sealed 
cartridge bearing and it is mounted to a standard shift lever boss. 

Curt was great to work with and was gracious enough to let me take the bike 
with only primer for several months to make certain everything worked as 
desired.  My kids painted it for me.

In the years since, the bike has been pretty flawless.  I can't really tell 
the difference in drag/resistance between the Rohoff and any of my other 
bikes.  It is GREAT for touring, particularly on rollers where you just 
shift up or down and don't worry about when to shift the front derailleur 
vs back.  It really is like a 14 speed singlespeed.  I grabbed a few photos 
I had around from rides, etc...

https://flic.kr/s/aHsknRBZy8

Now, onto completing the Rivendell custom order form I just printed 
muwahhahaha.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.
>
> Imagine that is why Rohloff sticks with the grip shifters.  Probably quite 
> complicated piece of kit.
>
> Five years ago (former Riv customs builder) Curt Goodrich came up with a 
> Rohloff shifter that could be brazed on a down tube.  He called it Das 
> Knob.   Never heard anything 
> further about it.  Not sure if that means I and presumably whoever bought 
> the bike were the only people who thought it a cool idea or it did not work 
> well.
>

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[RBW] Re: Build help needed

[David Banzer]

Edwin,
I have a Shimano Deore 122.5mm bottom bracket (looseball, comes with 
everything though) you can have for the price of shipping.
David
Chicago

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 8:51:49 AM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> So it sounds like:
> Get a new bottom bracket with a longer spindle, which would move both 
> crank arms out and increase Q factor. 
> Get some spacers for drive side. This would move the existing spindle 
> inward on the non-drive side and outward on the drive side. Q factor stays 
> the same, and you'd be a bit asymmetric, but only by the mm you move. 
> Depending on how much I need to move it might determine the fix.
> I hit the stay as I was installing the crank, but probably not too much. 
> Hopefully the LBS will do me a little swap without paying too much. 
> I think I will go for a new one to be safe. 
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

Glad to know I'm not the only person that thinks so!!! I think this is a
really unique ride. Taking a bit from randos, centuries, fun rides, fondos,
singletrack. Mix it all together in sunny Southern California, and you have
bicycle goodness!

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:

> Marked my calendar.  This is a must-do event.
>
> doug
>
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>
>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[James Warren]

All that with a stop at Hangar 24. It's hard to mentally process the goodness magnitude.-Original Message-
From: cyclotourist 
Sent: Nov 8, 2015 4:56 PM
To: Doug Peterson 
Cc: "SoCal All Rounders (SCAR)" , RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

Glad to know I'm not the only person that thinks so!!! I think this is a really unique ride. Taking a bit from randos, centuries, fun rides, fondos, singletrack. Mix it all together in sunny Southern California, and you have bicycle goodness!On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:Marked my calendar.  This is a must-do event.  dougOn Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.htmlA very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!-- Cheers,DavidMember, Supreme Council of Cyberspace"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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[RBW] Re: Build help needed

[Ron Mc]

asymmetric looks a lot better than symmetric

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 8:51:49 AM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> So it sounds like:
> Get a new bottom bracket with a longer spindle, which would move both 
> crank arms out and increase Q factor. 
> Get some spacers for drive side. This would move the existing spindle 
> inward on the non-drive side and outward on the drive side. Q factor stays 
> the same, and you'd be a bit asymmetric, but only by the mm you move. 
> Depending on how much I need to move it might determine the fix.
> I hit the stay as I was installing the crank, but probably not too much. 
> Hopefully the LBS will do me a little swap without paying too much. 
> I think I will go for a new one to be safe. 
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Doug Peterson]

Marked my calendar.  This is a must-do event.  

doug

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anybody switched from 58 to 62 Hunq?

[Daniel Jackson]

Yep, this is what I'm afraid of Deacon. I'm your size and measurement exactly 
and looking at your photos, it's not as though your seatpost is bottoming out 
or your bars are maladjusted. 

I've got a 58 on the way and I think it was the wrong choice. Fret fret fret. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with a tubeless conversion

[Tim Gavin]

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Tim -- wouldn't the sealant eventually form a "skin" inside the Pari
> Motos, and seal the tape seams?
>
>
I wish it did!  But, 6 weeks in to the tubeless experiment, I still had to
pump up the tires every hour or so, and froth would result from the
sidewalls.  After all that frustration -- and two falls due to low pressure
-- I gave up on running the Pari-Motos tubeless.

I tried tubeless because:
* I had tons of flats with the previous tires (Lierres), and I got a flat
within the first 50 miles of the Pari Motos with tubes.
* The PL23 rims are tubeless-ready

What's funny is that since got a new set of Pari-Motos and ran them with
tubes, I've had zero flats in ~1000 miles.  I did put some sealant in the
tubes to be safe, but I've had no punctures to test it (I'm OK with that).


On my fat tires, the tape was heavy .014 mil vinyl and it had some wrinkles
upon application (too heavy to lay down completely smooth).  The sealant
worked its way into those wrinkles and wet the adhesive enough to keep the
channels open.  I'd get sealant leaks up through the rim holes.

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[RBW] Re: Build help needed

[Edwin W]

Thanks for help and suggestions. I swapped out the 110 for a 122.5 and the LBS 
didn't charge me much for it. Stem coming tomorrow, then on to levers, shifter 
and cables. 

Thanks for all of your help,

Edwin

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