[RBW] Re: Rich's Horsie

[Manuel Acosta]

Great photo of Mr.Rich. 

Always good peoples.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2016/06/hands-on-wheels-x-rivendell-appaloosa.html
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS/T: Remainders/Tektro, Nitto, Shimano, my oh!

[Mike K.]

Update: stem and brakes sold.

That leaves:

- Shimano Z-series Derailleurs, front (28.6mm clamp) and rear - $30  

- Shimano MT60 FD (28.6mm clamp) - $15

Pricing is shipped CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[Manuel Acosta]

Tandem looks good.

Rides good with the proper captain and stoker.

Will and Roman can attest.

Pictures proved that tandems are not slow up dirt roads (when you have the 
proper captain and stoker)
https://flic.kr/s/aHskCvrS8H

Manny "The stoker makes no mistakes" Acosta

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[RBW] Pre-ride before Westpoint Inn Takeover?

[Manuel Acosta]

Off from school.
House is in good working order.
Plans are set for west point in ride up to tam on Friday, staying till 
sunday morningish.

Anyone down for a pre-ride in the east bay Thursday? 

Manny

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[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Joe Bernard]

Lungimsam: I think the movie was a Grant thing. It's his vibe, and Eben isn't 
old enough to remember it ;)

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[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Joe Bernard]

I liked his attitude about bike racing: "Electric motors? Sure, go ahead, who 
cares!" That cracked me up.

I confess, I bonked out of the ride. I've always been a slow cruiser guy, but a 
few years ago I could still climb a decent hill without keeling over. This 
time?..not so much. I was off the back but still plugging away on the paved 
part, but the dirt trail did me in. I got to the third rise as the next 
off-the-backers were walking up the fourth one, and it was getting HOT. 

I said to myself, "Joe, don't be a tough guy. You have no idea how much 
longer/tougher this route is. It's time." So I headed back to RBW. I heard 
later that someone wiped out, quote, "spectacularly", (no injuries) so I guess 
it was a semi-gnarly ride. It was a day of adventure!

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[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Lungimsam]

Does one get points on their DMV record for tickets accrued while bike riding? 
Or just have to pay the fine?

A bike isnt a motor vehicle or car, though the cyclist must follow the rules of 
the road.So I wonder how the DMV handles that.

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[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Chris Halasz]

Tucson: 113 yesterday, 110 today, averaging about 10% rh. 

It's a dry heat. 

- Chris

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[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[dstein]

I was there, mostly to go for the ride after which I ended up not going on, 
go figure. 

I've read another of his books but not really his blogs so wasn't too 
familiar with him. His presentation thing was fine, pretty funny. The Q I 
thought was weird, the questions kind of put Eben in a weird position of 
being bike ambassador of the world, and he really just didn't know how to 
answer the questions (which I don't blame him at all), but still had a good 
sense of humor about it. He riffed on track bikes, triathalon bikes, and 
fat bikes a good bit. The book itself is nothing special, its an intro 
buyer's guide to bikes. After drinking the Rivendell kool-aid over the 
years I felt it didn't have much more to offer and was missing the 
philosophic musings in Gran's riding. That being said, I'm glad I went and 
paid the $20 for the book because I wanted to support the community and 
encourage the message. 

Grant gave a pretty funny intro of being pulled over and given a ticket for 
running a stoplight (which he did in fact do), and then he went to contest 
in court in which he convinced the judge to 'think about it' for a few 
days. He just got the letter from the court and had an audience member open 
it and let him know what the decision was. I won't ruin this surprise 
ending, you'll have to call rivendell and ask to find out the verdict ;)

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Am I really the only Riv Lister who went to this thing? There were a lot 
> of not-Riv bikes on the ride, so maybe it was mostly Bike Snob people. 
> Interesting. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65 A. HOMER HILSEN; single top tube, Waterford built.

[Lungimsam]

What did you like about the Atlantis over the Hilsen?

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[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Lungimsam]

Wonder if the balloon movie was the author's idea or Mr. Petersen's?

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[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Austin Bishop]

Just back from a few weeks in Delhi, India where it was 110+ every day. 
Hottest I saw was 119 (the day I was outside the most at the Taj Mahal). 
About 20-25% humidity. But at least it dropped to a low of 90 each night.

I'm home in Maryland I agree with Lungimsam--80's with 30% humidity is 
dlightful.



On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 2:44:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 102F just ouside my door as I got home, but that's just a cheap analogue 
> thermometer. I hope we'll peak at 102, though I've seen it at 111 and, 
> IIRC, once at 117 on the west mesa 25 years ago. As little as 3-4% 
> humidity, though, on those days. But this afternoon is humid at 12%. Icky.
>
> Wool is good when you are moving. Not a long ride; I got browned enough as 
> it is on this ride (the sun at 5-6K feet is amazingly bright). Thank God 
> for Filipino genes which allow me to forgo the hassle of sunscreen.
>
> I hear Phoenix may hit 120 -- Gawd, south of us and sea level!
>
> Q: When does a been taste best? A: after a ride on a 100* day. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Joe Bernard]

Am I really the only Riv Lister who went to this thing? There were a lot of 
not-Riv bikes on the ride, so maybe it was mostly Bike Snob people. 
Interesting. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[cyclotourist]

And so it begins:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brush-Fire-Burning-Hillsides-Off-Highway-39-Above-Azusa--383670151.html
(or should more accurately say, continues:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-heat-fire-red-flag-conditions-socal-20160620-snap-story.html
)

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:43 PM, dstein <davecst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It got to a blistering 80 today in Oakland! Which actually does qualify for
> a scorcher out here. Don't worry I spent 32 years in the deep south, 21 of
> them in south Louisiana. i've done my time in 100 degree temps with 75%
> humidity  (for 5 months out of the year). I started riding while living in
> Tennessee which isn't a whole lot better, it actually consistently gets
> above 100 for several days, again with the high humidity. If it was above 90
> I didn't go out.
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 3:40:57 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Here in Louisville, KY it's 88 and 50% humidity. Forecast for the week is
>> 90-94 with humidity between 55-65%. I'll take that over 50 degrees any day.
>> I've always done pretty well with the heat. I'm from KC where it's hotter
>> and more humid this week than here in KY. As an ironworker who has spent
>> every KC winter since 1979 working outside, I'll never, ever complain about
>> hot weather. I sweat as profusely as anyone I've ever known (the bolt on a
>> brand new quill stem will be completely rusted within 2 weeks of
>> installation) and I just drink and drink and am usually none the worse for
>> it, so there has never been a day when I thought it was too hot to ride. I
>> did make a slight miscalculation in 2011 when I decided to ride the Southern
>> Tier route from San Diego to St. Augustine, and I thought it would be
>> clever, since I'm so tough and macho, to begin the ride on July 5th. The
>> first 14 days of the ride reached over 100 degrees, with the peak reading on
>> my Garmin in a parking lot in Phoenix at 122! I never once reached my goal
>> mileage (which I set unreasonably high to start with) and didn't complete
>> the ride. Next time I try it will be an April or October start. Lungimsam,
>> the DC and KC heat and humidity are very, very similar.
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[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[dstein]

It got to a blistering 80 today in Oakland! Which actually does qualify for 
a scorcher out here. Don't worry I spent 32 years in the deep south, 21 of 
them in south Louisiana. i've done my time in 100 degree temps with 75% 
humidity  (for 5 months out of the year). I started riding while living in 
Tennessee which isn't a whole lot better, it actually consistently gets 
above 100 for several days, again with the high humidity. If it was above 
90 I didn't go out.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 3:40:57 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Here in Louisville, KY it's 88 and 50% humidity. Forecast for the week is 
> 90-94 with humidity between 55-65%. I'll take that over 50 degrees any day. 
> I've always done pretty well with the heat. I'm from KC where it's hotter 
> and more humid this week than here in KY. As an ironworker who has spent 
> every KC winter since 1979 working outside, I'll never, ever complain about 
> hot weather. I sweat as profusely as anyone I've ever known (the bolt on a 
> brand new quill stem will be completely rusted within 2 weeks of 
> installation) and I just drink and drink and am usually none the worse for 
> it, so there has never been a day when I thought it was too hot to ride. I 
> did make a slight miscalculation in 2011 when I decided to ride the 
> Southern Tier route from San Diego to St. Augustine, and I thought it would 
> be clever, since I'm so tough and macho, to begin the ride on July 5th. The 
> first 14 days of the ride reached over 100 degrees, with the peak reading 
> on my Garmin in a parking lot in Phoenix at 122! I never once reached my 
> goal mileage (which I set unreasonably high to start with) and didn't 
> complete the ride. Next time I try it will be an April or October start. 
> Lungimsam, the DC and KC heat and humidity are very, very similar.

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[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[dstein]

Ha! That is literally the first 'mountain bike' ride I went on when I 
briefly owned a salsa el mariachi, except I did the loop all the way around 
seaview and down quarry back to the parking spot where you started. It 
almost completely turned me off mountain biking all together. 3 mtn bikes 
and several trails later I'm still going strong though. I do take my dog on 
that hike all the time though and often think about that first ride and how 
shitty it was. So many loose rocks.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Being the team mechanic for the local High School Mountain Bike Racing 
> team has been pretty inspirational.  Seeing the kids set goals and make 
> competitive progress has been an almost fountain of youth experience for 
> this 47 year old un-racer.  At the end of season team party, the head coach 
> announced the kids one at a time, and among other accomplishments kept 
> referring to the kids' time in "the time trial".  I didn't know what that 
> was.  The coach pointed me to a Strava segment, called "BHS Time Trial". 
>  Here's a link:  https://www.strava.com/segments/1963179
>
> So, I went ahead and got my free Strava App on my iPhone and went up into 
> the Berkeley Hills to check it out.  My goal was to beat the time of our 
> slightly plump 50-something Coach Gary.  I was told he was in the 14:45 
> range.  The ride is a short but steep climb, and it is extremely rocky. 
>  Climbing out of the saddle is completely out of the question and it's a 
> physical challenge maintaining balance and keeping the bike pointed up the 
> hill.  My first attempt was last week, the 11th, and I did it in 13:32.  My 
> second attempt was this weekend, and I did it in 12:16.  I'm told that 
> 12:00 is the traditional cutoff for the A-Group of racers, so I've got a 
> measurable training goal.  I'm not racing, but I'm not un-racing either, so 
> I'm going to call it "un-un-racing".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Rivvy bikes, one not, all big

[Reed Kennedy]

If only it fit me, Joe!

This is actually my second RockCombo. I sold the first because it was just
a bit too small for my 94cm PBH. But then I missed it far to much and
bought this one. Which, of course, is the same size.

Time for it to to someone a bit more reasonably sized!


Reed

On Monday, June 20, 2016, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Reed,
> You all know I love that RockCombo and completely approve this
> posting. However I cannot condone its sale.
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 6/17/16, Reed Kennedy > wrote:
> > Ah, dang! You're totally right Joe. I crossed 'em up. How embarrassing!
> >
> > I've fixed the CL post.
> >
> > And rest assured, the bikes are better than my faulty writing!
> >
> >
> > Reed
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
> >
> >> Not to be a stickler for detail - ok, I'm being a stickler for detail -
> >> the dropbar mtb Bstone was the MB-1 circa '87-ish. MB-Zip was a
> >> stupid-light TIGed flatbar mtb which people broke a lot.
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[RBW] Rich's Horsie

[Evan Baird]

http://somafab.blogspot.com/2016/06/hands-on-wheels-x-rivendell-appaloosa.html



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[RBW] Re: FS: 65 A. HOMER HILSEN; single top tube, Waterford built.

[ant ritchey]

the AHH has sold

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:41:30 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> grow the herd, thin the herd, repeat.
>
> bought this and a 62 Hunq from a list member right around the same time a 
> year and a half ago. i was working a ton & going through a break up. too 
> much money to throw around, too little time spent riding & just too much 
> overlap between the stablemates, as can often-times be the case.  ended up 
> taking the trusty Atlantis out again & again, on trip after trip...and the 
> Hilsen (along with the soon to be sold off Hunqapillar) just stayed put at 
> home.  a shame, i know. so now i let go.
>
> a link to my CL posting here in Portland, Oregon:
>
> BIG HOMER  aka 
> the grand slam
>
> hit me up off list if you've got any questions.  i've got packing & 
> shipping materials ready to go. buyer pays shipping.  never done the 
> bikeflights thing before but i'm all for making it as affordable as 
> possible to send the big beast off to a new home.
>
> as is regularly the case- i learn a thing or two from the RBW owners group 
> here. if anything seems off or incorrect, please drop me a line.  thank you.
>
> -anthony ritchey / portland, oregon / PBH forgotten
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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Bill M.]

I agree that the diving board is the weak point of the M18.  I used my M18 
for a while on the rear of a bike as a support for a Carradice Camper.  It 
was actually a great fit, but the diving board eventually bent under a load 
of groceries and allowed the rack to start rubbing the tire.  A little 
force bent it back enough to get me home.  I now use panniers on a Tubus 
Ergo low-rider to carry heavier loads on that bike.  My Camper is sitting 
idle for lack of a better support solution. 

I'm not sure that I would trust the Mark's rack to work better for that 
application, but in that case I might expect the mounting bolts to rotate 
under load rather than the struts bending.  

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 7:31:56 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> How has your Marks or M18 front rack held up over the years? Do the tang 
> bolts loosen, or has everything stayed put for you?
> .
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Zed Martinez]

I'm running Switchbacks Mark, but mine's totally just noob mistakes. I 
never pedal through turns, but I'd also never had a bike where I had to pay 
any particular thought to raising the inside pedal before the turn. I mean, 
I've scraped the end of a few before, but on the Clem that sucker just 
slammed into the ground and about knocked the bike over the first time I 
took that little crest lazily. In my case, I guess I didn't so much have to 
raise my cornering game as bother to bring one at all. Like masmojo, quick 
to adjust for it, but yeah. It probably does come down to both the lowish 
BB and the tendency for the wheels to straddle obstacles. No big deal at 
all, if amusing for trail users when I forget, but definitely a thing I had 
to start paying attention to for the first time as just a commuter.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 5:01:29 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hmm. I have not been riding the Clementine off road and I doubt I have 
> your off-road skills. I can see where the bike could get "hung up" 
> especially on a grade. But speed bumps with no lean, that would be purely a 
> bb height issue, no? Are you guys both running the Compass Switchbacks? Are 
> they appreciably less tall than the stock Kendas?
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Actually,  the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven 
>> surfaces, although the turning plays into it as well. The further the 
>> wheels are apart the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between 
>> them and you pedal can hit it while it rotates around.  Generally,  you you 
>> anticipate this and level your pedals until you clear that area, but in 
>> said circumstance mentioned earlier with getting the front wheel over 
>> objects,  many times I will clear it with my front wheel to find my pedals 
>> strike the object which tends to suddenly stop me dead in my tracks! I used 
>> to race mountain bikes so I have fair bike handling skills,  I don't have 
>> this issue on any other bike and generally not on the Clementine,  but it 
>> does bite me from time to time. I've also scraped the pedals on speed bumps 
>> which is odd, because I've never had an issue hitting them before.  Ive 
>> learned my lesson though,  haven't done that in a while. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Jan Heine]

Good job! A career change to mountain bike pro may be in order! Or more 
likely, it's surprising what a lifetime of cycling will give you in skills.

I think what people mostly are reacting to when they identify as 
"Un-Racers" are the attitudes of racers (or more often, wannabe racers), 
rather than the fact that pushing yourself a bit can be fun. When we are 
returning from a long trip in the mountains with panniers on our bikes, and 
every "racer" on the (flat) bike trail picks us as a target, passing us, 
and then slowing down exhausted, it gets tiring. 

But that doesn't mean that riding a performance bike isn't fun, and the 
better the bike performs, the more fun it can be. In fact, I sometimes give 
in to the temptation and up the pace myself, drop the wannabe racers, and 
then keep up the pace, if only to get home sooner. Feeling the bike in sync 
with my pedal strokes and my entire body working hard is fun.

The true high-level racers I've known are usually very pleasant. They don't 
need to prove to everybody how fast they are – if you want to race, line up 
at the start line! It's the non-racers who treat every commute as a 
competition, and every guy (or even better, woman) on a heavily loaded bike 
as an opportunity.

It's easy to confound "anti-attitude" with "anti-performance", but I think 
that is a mistake. Cycling is fun in part because of its speed. Otherwise, 
we could be walking. That doesn't mean that we should prioritize speed over 
everything else – comfort and fun are more important. But when the gains 
come without penalties, such as wide supple tires – faster, more 
comfortable and more puncture-resistant – or frames that get in sync with 
your pedal strokes ("planing") – lighter, more fun at any power output – 
then it makes sense to embrace them.

Fortunately, the image of a "performance bike" is changing. No longer is it 
a harsh-riding machine with skinny tires pumped to 100 psi or more. With 
the new "Gravel" and "Allroad" bikes, the industry finally is espousing 
what this group has been about all along.

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here in Louisville, KY it's 88 and 50% humidity. Forecast for the week is 90-94 
with humidity between 55-65%. I'll take that over 50 degrees any day. I've 
always done pretty well with the heat. I'm from KC where it's hotter and more 
humid this week than here in KY. As an ironworker who has spent every KC winter 
since 1979 working outside, I'll never, ever complain about hot weather. I 
sweat as profusely as anyone I've ever known (the bolt on a brand new quill 
stem will be completely rusted within 2 weeks of installation) and I just drink 
and drink and am usually none the worse for it, so there has never been a day 
when I thought it was too hot to ride. I did make a slight miscalculation in 
2011 when I decided to ride the Southern Tier route from San Diego to St. 
Augustine, and I thought it would be clever, since I'm so tough and macho, to 
begin the ride on July 5th. The first 14 days of the ride reached over 100 
degrees, with the peak reading on my Garmin in a parking lot in Phoenix at 122! 
I never once reached my goal mileage (which I set unreasonably high to start 
with) and didn't complete the ride. Next time I try it will be an April or 
October start. Lungimsam, the DC and KC heat and humidity are very, very 
similar.

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Re: [RBW] Nine Speed Index Setup

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/20/2016 06:20 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

As you're looking at the bike from behind, your derailer pulleys are lined up 
slightly to the right of the center of each cog. In this position you'll get a 
clean shift to the left towards bigger cogs, but as it moves to the right 
towards smaller, the chain wants to skip too far right to the next smaller cog.

What you want to do is get the chain/derailer/pulleys under the middle cog, 
then adjust until everything is directly lined up, or possibly even slightly 
biased to the left.*If your derailer has an adjuster thingy where the cable 
enters derailer,*  turn it counterclockwise to slightly budge those pulleys 
leftward. If not you'll need to mess with the cable anchor until you have 
things where you need them.

Hopefully this all makes sense. Good luck!

referring here to the cable tension adjuster, which increases tension 
when you unscrew it by effectively increasing the length of the cable 
housing that forms the loop behind the rear derailleur


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[RBW] Nine Speed Index Setup

[Joe Bernard]

As you're looking at the bike from behind, your derailer pulleys are lined up 
slightly to the right of the center of each cog. In this position you'll get a 
clean shift to the left towards bigger cogs, but as it moves to the right 
towards smaller, the chain wants to skip too far right to the next smaller cog.

What you want to do is get the chain/derailer/pulleys under the middle cog, 
then adjust until everything is directly lined up, or possibly even slightly 
biased to the left. If your derailer has an adjuster thingy where the cable 
enters derailer, turn it counterclockwise to slightly budge those pulleys 
leftward. If not you'll need to mess with the cable anchor until you have 
things where you need them. 

Hopefully this all makes sense. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Ron Mc]

sounds like the cable is too tight.  
On my 9sp index, there are a couple of steps that I have to hold the 
shifter until it completes the shift - everything goes down quickly, 
though. 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 5:05:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Ok, this is a bit off topic, my apologies, but I am perplexed.
>
> I run 9 speed silver friction shifter on all of my bikes except the 
> tandem, which has Shimano bar ends.  I usually run it in friction, mostly 
> because I don't have regular experience with indexing and when they need 
> adjustment, I struggle until I say, oh the hell with it.  But I have been 
> trying to get this indexing right because I am thinking I want to try 10 
> speed on this bike.  So here's what's happening.
>
> I can lift the chain from the outside 11 to the inside 28 in consistent 
> steps, but when I try to drop the chain it hangs up for an extra click 
> right at the start  and then jumps across the 12 to the 11 at the end. 
>  Occasionally, it will jump from the 9 to the 7 position on the second 
> click.   Everything works OK in friction mode, although the 9 to 8 did seem 
> a bit wider, so I tightened the low set screw until the chain would just 
> barely reach, then backed it out a couple of degrees.  This made no 
> difference.  It just occurred to me that I have not measured the chain, but 
> it's hard to see how that could cause this behavior.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Hot, even in VT.
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Nine Speed Index Setup

[Michael Hechmer]

Ok, this is a bit off topic, my apologies, but I am perplexed.

I run 9 speed silver friction shifter on all of my bikes except the tandem, 
which has Shimano bar ends.  I usually run it in friction, mostly because I 
don't have regular experience with indexing and when they need adjustment, 
I struggle until I say, oh the hell with it.  But I have been trying to get 
this indexing right because I am thinking I want to try 10 speed on this 
bike.  So here's what's happening.

I can lift the chain from the outside 11 to the inside 28 in consistent 
steps, but when I try to drop the chain it hangs up for an extra click 
right at the start  and then jumps across the 12 to the 11 at the end. 
 Occasionally, it will jump from the 9 to the 7 position on the second 
click.   Everything works OK in friction mode, although the 9 to 8 did seem 
a bit wider, so I tightened the low set screw until the chain would just 
barely reach, then backed it out a couple of degrees.  This made no 
difference.  It just occurred to me that I have not measured the chain, but 
it's hard to see how that could cause this behavior.

Any thoughts?

Hot, even in VT.

Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[masmojo]

I've been riding Big Bens, which I believe are nearly identical size wise to 
the Kendas.
And yes, I've adjusted my riding style, but occasionally you get stuck in an 
awkward place and you get jammed up. I remember one night I was trying to lift 
the front wheel up from street level to the sidewalk, a car turned towards me, 
I don't quite get the wheel clear, but it rolls over the top anyway,  just as I 
am cussing myself for missing it and thinking OK it wasn't graceful,  but I 
made it, my pedal/foot hit the curb ever so slightly,  but just enough to break 
my momentum and stop me.  No harm done,  but it makes you feel kinda stupid, 
you put your foot down & the pedal pegs dig into the back of your leg! URGH!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hmm. I have not been riding the Clementine off road and I doubt I have your 
off-road skills. I can see where the bike could get "hung up" especially on 
a grade. But speed bumps with no lean, that would be purely a bb height 
issue, no? Are you guys both running the Compass Switchbacks? Are they 
appreciably less tall than the stock Kendas?

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> Actually,  the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven 
> surfaces, although the turning plays into it as well. The further the 
> wheels are apart the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between 
> them and you pedal can hit it while it rotates around.  Generally,  you you 
> anticipate this and level your pedals until you clear that area, but in 
> said circumstance mentioned earlier with getting the front wheel over 
> objects,  many times I will clear it with my front wheel to find my pedals 
> strike the object which tends to suddenly stop me dead in my tracks! I used 
> to race mountain bikes so I have fair bike handling skills,  I don't have 
> this issue on any other bike and generally not on the Clementine,  but it 
> does bite me from time to time. I've also scraped the pedals on speed bumps 
> which is odd, because I've never had an issue hitting them before.  Ive 
> learned my lesson though,  haven't done that in a while. 

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[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Evan Baird]

That's why this exists.



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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have not experienced pedal strike with the Clementine on the road. While 
cutting through short, rutted trails of some grade, I've bumped a rock once 
or twice, but that would have probably happened on any bike. Though I am a 
former racer, I tend to not pedal through turns of 90 degrees or more these 
days. I mean, why? Especially on a fat tire roadish bike with upright bars.

I just sold my Surly Big Dummy after 3 years, no pedal strike there either. 
Checking the geometry, I found this.


*Riding a long bike *- Many people ask what the Big Dummy rides like. 
> Basically, it rides just like a normal bike. The geometry is similar to a 
> standard mountain bike, but with a slightly higher bottom bracket and 
> longer wheelbase. The high bottom bracket is necessary with any long 
> wheelbase bike to keep the cranks/pedals away from the ground.
>
>- On road - Other than timing the corners a little differently to make 
>sure the longer rear end clears obstacles and unweighting the bike 
>carefully to get up and over curbs, it’s really no different than a normal 
>bike
>- Off Road - The Dummy is built for on or off-road use, so it’s 
>durable enough to handle off-road touring or serious urban hauling. One 
>thing you’ll notice is that your weight is almost even on both wheels, so 
>the traction/friction through loose corners is about the same per wheel. 
>So, imagine screaming down a gravel road around a tight corner. With equal 
>weight on the wheels combined with a long wheelbase, it makes for an 
>incredibly stable and predictable off-road ride. You’ll be two-wheel 
>drifting through corners like Mert Lawwill in no time
>
> Of course, once you load the rear end with stuff, the rear end traction 
> gets better. Just make sure that you can get up and over obstacles, since 
> it’ll be harder to unweight the bike and bunnyhop over things.
>

So does the longer CS length contribute in some way on Clems? Maybe. 
Interesting. But I suspect it's a matter too of riding style, and once 
you've ridden the bike for a bit, the pedal strike thing, unless egregious, 
will, as they say, self-correct.

As a side note, I liked the Big Dummy, but it does not have the smooth 
handling of a Clementine, the steering is comparatively tight and twitchy.


On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> You know one thing that's been perplexing me on my Clementine is the 
> amount of pedal strike I've been getting.  Odd because,  the BB drop, crank 
> length, etc. isn't really measurably different from several other bikes I 
> own that I have no such issue with!?
> Then this morning I was reading Zed's review and he mentioned pedal strike 
> as well! (And here I thought it was just me) Something about the way I 
> built it!? Then the light bulb went on! The long chain stays/wheel base are 
> contribuing to the pedal strike problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Ron Mc]

5 years on this setup with an M18 and no worries


diving board to brake bolt, long stays to dropout bosses, Berthoud 
decaleur, fender mount to diving board bolt



Half a year and a couple of thousand miles on this, Marks rack without 
diving board, Nitto rod bolts to Tubus LM-1 clamps on fork crown and to 
canti bolts



No issues with this - and it's absolutely rock solid, but it doesn't carry 
near the load of the rando bag above.  I only use this one for a small 
trunk to stuff layers and weather shells.  


Nothing (except the steel diving board) is bend in either setup, and every 
component is naturally relaxed if the bolts were loosened.  

Someone has described the Nitto rod bolts as "friction", but they're a lot 
more secure than that, they are a swage of the aluminum rod into steel.  


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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

[Clayton.sf]

50 SKS with 47mm mondials on my 60cm Chev.

Using a diacompe center pull on the front gave the necessary breathing room.

Best,
Clayton Scot
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Show Bill your British Racing Green Bike.

[David Hays]

I know it's not exactly British Racing Green but...
David
Williamsville, New York




On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 1:22:32 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I'm just back from the Saranac Lake Tandem Rally where there were 30+ 
> really nice tandems, including two in the $20,000 plus range kind of fancy. 
>  None of those bike drew as much attention as our classy BRG tandem.  Of 
> course it helped that I had a chain tensioner system that none of them had 
> ever seen before.
>
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 12:34:03 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> Rambouillet:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/8351735340/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>>
>>> All in good fun, let's show Bill our BRG bikes!
>>> I'll start - BMC Monster Cross single speed 'road bike for dirt' - 
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BGbx9nOMmeI/
>>> David 
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

That's great, Eric! Should fit you fine.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> i'm giving the (what appears to be a 62cm) simpleone on eBay a try! i'll 
> keep you all apprised of how the size works out. as always, thanks to 
> everyone on the list for their expertise!
>
> eric
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:43:50 AM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>>>
>>> As a Simpleone owner who has had both a 62 and 60 I will say that you 
>>> should seriously consider tire size before picking one if you are between 
>>> sizes. 
>>>
>>
>> I agree. I have an 88.5 PBH and rode a 60 QB comfortably, but there was a 
>> noticeable difference in top tube clearance between 33's and 40's.
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Two Rivvy bikes, one not, all big

[Joe Bunik]

Reed,
You all know I love that RockCombo and completely approve this
posting. However I cannot condone its sale.
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 6/17/16, Reed Kennedy  wrote:
> Ah, dang! You're totally right Joe. I crossed 'em up. How embarrassing!
>
> I've fixed the CL post.
>
> And rest assured, the bikes are better than my faulty writing!
>
>
> Reed
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Not to be a stickler for detail - ok, I'm being a stickler for detail -
>> the dropbar mtb Bstone was the MB-1 circa '87-ish. MB-Zip was a
>> stupid-light TIGed flatbar mtb which people broke a lot.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Zed Martinez]

>
> The further the wheels are apart the more likely that a bump or object can 
> stick up between them and you pedal can hit it while it rotates around.


That actually sounds about right to me. Most of my pedal strikes have been 
when cresting a short rise at a T onto the local trail that gets suddenly 
steep the last two feet or so, so on my Clem the front wheel and rear are 
often on different sides of that crest. Makes sense to me, hearing someone 
else say it. 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> Actually,  the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven 
> surfaces, although the turning plays into it as well. The further the 
> wheels are apart the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between 
> them and you pedal can hit it while it rotates around.  Generally,  you you 
> anticipate this and level your pedals until you clear that area, but in 
> said circumstance mentioned earlier with getting the front wheel over 
> objects,  many times I will clear it with my front wheel to find my pedals 
> strike the object which tends to suddenly stop me dead in my tracks! I used 
> to race mountain bikes so I have fair bike handling skills,  I don't have 
> this issue on any other bike and generally not on the Clementine,  but it 
> does bite me from time to time. I've also scraped the pedals on speed bumps 
> which is odd, because I've never had an issue hitting them before.  Ive 
> learned my lesson though,  haven't done that in a while. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Deacon Patrick: a new cyclists' diet

[Patrick Moore]

"pungent, cheesy odor"

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Wow -- that makes pound cake in a salad bowl with *fromage blanc* sound
> even more appetizing!
>
> Patrick Moore, who plans to try making *fromage blanc* someday soon
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:59 PM, rob markwardt 
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of butter
>> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-brief-history-of-bog-butter-180959384/?no-ist
>>  Sounds like you could use it to lube your chain if you didn't like the
>> taste.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:52:43 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Delete the sugar and flour and I'm all over that! Well, that's
>>> essentially what I eat at least one meal a day, eggs and butter and cream.
>>> Grin.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_cake
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:43:53 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 From Sean Yates's autobio, describing his neo-pro days:

 *huge family butter cake*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[masmojo]

Actually,  the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven surfaces, 
although the turning plays into it as well. The further the wheels are apart 
the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between them and you pedal 
can hit it while it rotates around.  Generally,  you you anticipate this and 
level your pedals until you clear that area, but in said circumstance mentioned 
earlier with getting the front wheel over objects,  many times I will clear it 
with my front wheel to find my pedals strike the object which tends to suddenly 
stop me dead in my tracks! I used to race mountain bikes so I have fair bike 
handling skills,  I don't have this issue on any other bike and generally not 
on the Clementine,  but it does bite me from time to time. I've also scraped 
the pedals on speed bumps which is odd, because I've never had an issue hitting 
them before.  Ive learned my lesson though,  haven't done that in a while. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Deacon Patrick: a new cyclists' diet

[Patrick Moore]

Wow -- that makes pound cake in a salad bowl with *fromage blanc* sound
even more appetizing!

Patrick Moore, who plans to try making *fromage blanc* someday soon

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:59 PM, rob markwardt 
wrote:

> Speaking of butter
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-brief-history-of-bog-butter-180959384/?no-ist
>  Sounds like you could use it to lube your chain if you didn't like the
> taste.
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:52:43 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Delete the sugar and flour and I'm all over that! Well, that's
>> essentially what I eat at least one meal a day, eggs and butter and cream.
>> Grin.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_cake
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:43:53 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> From Sean Yates's autobio, describing his neo-pro days:
>>>
>>> *huge family butter cake*
>>>
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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[James Warren]

Err on the side of big tires and mountainbikishness.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
> 
> Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the Atlantis?Assumingn can 
> do it all? May have to bail out as outlined previously. Might be too much 
> climbing for moi. 
> 
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:
>> Thanks! I will. 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>> René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it fills 
>>> up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a problem. I 
>>> think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll, it's two 
>>> miles to the Inn, so budget time for that. 
>>> 
>>> Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex  
>>> This is what it looks like for most of the way: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/
>>>   
>>> 
 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental  
 wrote:
 Marked the location. Is there parking there?
 
 
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:
> No. From Palo Alto. 
> 
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>> Rene,
>> 
>> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>> 
>> Here's the route to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>> 
>> ~Hugh
>> 
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>> 
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental  
>>> wrote:
>>> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map 
>>> location to know where to park? I don't know the area. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein  wrote:
 Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)
 
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> You mean to say you're coming up Saturday. Look forward to seeing for 
> dinner.
> 
> ~Hugh
> 
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
> 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM, David Stein  
>> wrote:
>> Looks awesome but I won't be staying Friday and plan on coming up 
>> Sunday. I may try and meet you at the musuem and ride bike if you 
>> have a loose time frame of when you'll be there, but more than 
>> likely I'll just head up old railroad grade mid to late afternoon to 
>> make it for dinner if anyone wants to join me for that (will either 
>> drive and leave from mill valley, or ferry over to sausalito and 
>> ride up from there).
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Curtis McKenzie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hugh,
>>> 
>>> Sign me up for this one. Thank you for planning this. 
>>> 
>>> Curtis 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  
 wrote:
 Hi Sean,
 
 Sorry for the delay in responding.
 
 Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest 
 route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For 
 those that feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest 
 taking San Geronimo Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will 
 cut out the Pine Mountain loop but will cut out 9 miles, you still 
 get the Repack descent and we can all meet up at the Museum. To 
 take in account the time differential those that head to Fairfax 
 early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine Mountain crew 
 eat out on the trail.
 
  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 
 9 hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 
 5pm.
 
 How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all. 
 
 ~Hugh
 
 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must 
 keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
 
 http://velocipeedemusings.com/
 
 
 
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner 
>  wrote:
> When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm 

[RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

[bluebirdonabicycle]

I would also love to see some pix of your fenders 700x60 berthoud fenders 
on your Cheviot!
Thanks, BBOB

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 6:19:49 PM UTC-4, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
> Michael's comments and the follow up replies made me start thinkingSo 
> im starting this new thread so as not to derail Michaels.Plastic 
> Fenders-never again.
> Im buildinga new Riv Chevy-out. I want fenders and I also want big fat 
> tires. Since 50mm tires are as big as can be put on it, you have to know 
> how wide are the tires REALLY.
> Which is about 46mm
> Since I know nothing about installing fenders but I do have a Bike 
> stand..(that should help) Im asking for some clarification among you fender 
> installing pros.
> Im considering the VO Zeppelin or the flutted aluminum fenders for good 
> looks as well as long life. 
> But I think the 50mm Fender will only allow a 42mm ACTUAL width tire?
> I also see they have a 63mm fender that will hold a 52 mm tire, but is 
> that the actual tire width or the size of the tire?
> How do you know if the fender is too big for the frame?
> This is where it gets confusing, so any help is appreciated
> Riv offers the SKS P50 for the chevy, but maybe a steel or Aluminum fender 
> like the VO will hold up longer, better?
> Just dont know anything.
> Your comments are valued.
>
> Thanks BBOB )
>
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[RBW] Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Bill Lindsay]

Being the team mechanic for the local High School Mountain Bike Racing team 
has been pretty inspirational.  Seeing the kids set goals and make 
competitive progress has been an almost fountain of youth experience for 
this 47 year old un-racer.  At the end of season team party, the head coach 
announced the kids one at a time, and among other accomplishments kept 
referring to the kids' time in "the time trial".  I didn't know what that 
was.  The coach pointed me to a Strava segment, called "BHS Time Trial". 
 Here's a link:  https://www.strava.com/segments/1963179

So, I went ahead and got my free Strava App on my iPhone and went up into 
the Berkeley Hills to check it out.  My goal was to beat the time of our 
slightly plump 50-something Coach Gary.  I was told he was in the 14:45 
range.  The ride is a short but steep climb, and it is extremely rocky. 
 Climbing out of the saddle is completely out of the question and it's a 
physical challenge maintaining balance and keeping the bike pointed up the 
hill.  My first attempt was last week, the 11th, and I did it in 13:32.  My 
second attempt was this weekend, and I did it in 12:16.  I'm told that 
12:00 is the traditional cutoff for the A-Group of racers, so I've got a 
measurable training goal.  I'm not racing, but I'm not un-racing either, so 
I'm going to call it "un-un-racing".  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: For Deacon Patrick: a new cyclists' diet

[Jon in central Colorado]

Smiling. Sean yates was burning 1000 calories/ hour for four hours..He 
needed to ingest 8000 calories/day to maintain his weight..

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:43:53 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> From Sean Yates's autobio, describing his neo-pro days:
>
>
> *In Paris, we’d go for a ride in the morning then laze around. My favorite 
> trick was to go to the patisserie along the road and buy a huge family 
> butter cake. It’s sort of a white cake, made of absolute pure fat. I’d mush 
> it all up, dump the lot into a salad bowl and sit there eating it with a 
> spoon like it was a bowl of muesli. *
>
>
> *Preparing [the cake] was a total ritual for him, like a heroin addict 
> cooking up, says John Herety [fellow racer and flatmate], The cake would be 
> divided into squares, then the whole lot would go in the sort of bowl 
> reserved for family fruit salads. Then a large pot of fromage blanc would 
> go over the lot. That gave him the excuse to call it “yogurt cake’ like it 
> was some kind of health food.*
>
>
> Well, it worked for him!
>
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Lungimsam]

I have a decaleur with Berthoud on M18 and I was wondering if decaleur and bag 
would hold rack up if the tang broke. The tombstone would havd to push the bag 
so far forward to get out from under it but the bag top stays on place with 
decaler so i would hope the rack would not rotate forward. Nevertheless, I like 
to check my attachment points every so often.

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[RBW] Re: For Deacon Patrick: a new cyclists' diet

[rob markwardt]

Speaking of butter 
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-brief-history-of-bog-butter-180959384/?no-ist
 
 Sounds like you could use it to lube your chain if you didn't like the 
taste. 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:52:43 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Delete the sugar and flour and I'm all over that! Well, that's essentially 
> what I eat at least one meal a day, eggs and butter and cream. Grin.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_cake
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:43:53 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> From Sean Yates's autobio, describing his neo-pro days:
>>
>> *huge family butter cake*
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr, 7 month and 2200 miles in

[Jeremy Tavan]

The thing I really love about the Clem is how well it fits me, which most 
"normal" factory bikes do not. The long top tube, intended to make it work 
well with swept-back bars I assume, means that with less-swept-back bars, I 
can get a fit that works for me as a short-legged, long-torso individual. 
It seems like such a minor thing, but it's been a revelation to just sit on 
a bike and have everything fall where it ought to. I've been riding my Clem 
almost exclusively for the last month and a half, and it's just been a joy. 
I'm still tinkering to figure out the right combination of attachments to 
really bring out the spirit of the bike, and it's made harder by it being 
just so darn flexible. Too many options!

/Jeremy

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:13:22 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I rode a 52 with Boscos at RBW on Saturday, and it fit like a glove. So 
> much so that getting back on my 45 yesterday proved I guessed wrong on 
> size. It fits well enough with the Choco-Moose bars as an "upright bike", 
> but on the 52 I had a lot more room to sit upright at the ends, or stretch 
> forward to the front of the Boscos. Live and learn!

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the alternative - I may take a road bike to do that, then go 
around to Mill Valley and climb Railroad Grade back to the Inn. 
It may have decided the bike I bring. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> I can't make it for the Saturday ride as I won't be in till later. Just 
> now checking Hugh's route. I'm not familiar with any of the parts of that 
> route from West Point Inn to Fairfax so can't comment. If you're looking 
> for an alternative here is what I'd consider: 
> https://goo.gl/maps/hJ5bnnMzcq62
>
> It hits Bolinas Ridge and is mostly downhill from the Inn all the way to 
> Sir Francis Drake and then a gentle uphill till Fairfax. About the same 
> mileage and cuts out a lot of climbing in the 1st half, I think, but adds 
> significant Mileage to Rene's shorter route, but again, I think less 
> climbing. No matter which way you slice it though its gonna be a lot of 
> downhill to Fairfax, and then a lot of climbing back up to West Point Inn ;)
>
> If anyone is coming up Saturday and wants to join me, I'll be hitting the 
> 2:35 ferry from Embarcadero to Sausalito and then up the Sausalito-Mill 
> Valley Bike path, over through Mill Valley, and up Railroad grade with a 
> goal of getting in around 5:
>
> Ferry Building to Sausalito (2:35 - 3:05)-  
>  
> 
> http://goldengateferry.org/schedules/Sausalito.php 
> Sausalito to West Point Inn (~2 hours) -  
> https://goo.gl/maps/dfLpRqsFoTz
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: tall stem for 25.4 bar

[Dan McNamara]

I may have a dirt drop style stem in the parts bin if that interests you. 

Dan

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Belopsky  wrote:
> 
> Don't care about the condition. Just need something to hike up the bars on my 
> cheap Specialized Rock Hopper.
> 
> Price? Cheap.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Hugh Smitham]

I love it. And I love how he decided to live outside the normal conventions
of society. And whynot a dbl stacked handle bar? I get so caught up on new
things and clever design (nothing wrong with that) but this guy just
figured out a design that worked for him. He didn't surf the internet for
that perfect bar, I admire that. Now back to browsing for a new great
handlebar.

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> Maybe it's the AM Coffee talking here, but I've been looking for a place
> to suggest, or at least draw attention to *Heinz Stucke's double-level
> handlebar setup*... may as well throw it in here... I forgot/never knew
> what he used/made for them, but ...
>
> You can see a couple pic here and here if somehow unacquainted with the
> god of velotouring and his handlebars:
> http://www.cyclingnorthwales.co.uk/pages/heinz_st.htm
>
> http://en.turizmglobal.com/meet-the-man-cycling-the-world-about-50-years-heinz-stucke/
>
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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

[Mark Reimer]

My Atlantis has Zepplin 50mm fenders that cover 43mm knobby Rock N Road 
tires. No problems with clearance there. 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 1:23:49 PM UTC-5, Jon in central Colorado wrote:
>
> Do you have pictures of your 700 -50 marathons and your 700-60 Berthoud 
> fender installation?
> I would like to see. I ordered a 60 Cheviot.
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 12:00:46 PM UTC-6, Gum N Nuts wrote:
>
>> I'm running 700x50 schwalbe marathon supremes under 700x60 berthoud 
>> fenders on a 60 cm chev. I had to trim the fenders in to accommodate the 
>> tektros but everything fits. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:19:49 PM UTC-7, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael's comments and the follow up replies made me start 
>>> thinkingSo im starting this new thread so as not to derail 
>>> Michaels.Plastic Fenders-never again.
>>> Im buildinga new Riv Chevy-out. I want fenders and I also want big fat 
>>> tires. Since 50mm tires are as big as can be put on it, you have to know 
>>> how wide are the tires REALLY.
>>> Which is about 46mm
>>> Since I know nothing about installing fenders but I do have a Bike 
>>> stand..(that should help) Im asking for some clarification among you fender 
>>> installing pros.
>>> Im considering the VO Zeppelin or the flutted aluminum fenders for good 
>>> looks as well as long life. 
>>> But I think the 50mm Fender will only allow a 42mm ACTUAL width tire?
>>> I also see they have a 63mm fender that will hold a 52 mm tire, but is 
>>> that the actual tire width or the size of the tire?
>>> How do you know if the fender is too big for the frame?
>>> This is where it gets confusing, so any help is appreciated
>>> Riv offers the SKS P50 for the chevy, but maybe a steel or Aluminum 
>>> fender like the VO will hold up longer, better?
>>> Just dont know anything.
>>> Your comments are valued.
>>>
>>> Thanks BBOB )
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Bill Lindsay]

Update:  I went ahead and bought the bike back from Chris.  I have a few 
ideas about how to put several of the parts to good use, but the frameset 
itself really is an extra.  So, I am offering up for sale the frame + fork 
+ headset + brake calipers for $500 shipped.  It's a 59cm Black Mountain 
Cycles road frameset in orange.  
Here's a photo of the complete bike, although the complete build has 
changed a bit since then

Black Mtn 

I'm open to negotiating for more of a complete build if that is what you 
are after:


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a jerk...but 
> here we are.  
>
> Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
> weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
> last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
> hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
> that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
> extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
> connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
> replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
> would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
> badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
>  I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
> buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
> Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html
>
> Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
> weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
> know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
> local to me, so I can provide that help. 
>
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> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Patrick Moore]

IOW, (I think) you have to turn sharper, and therefore lean more, to carve
the same arc. Think of a semitrailer combo making a turn on a city street.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Will  wrote:

> You have to lean the bike more to carve the same arc (as a shorter
> wheelbase bike) during a turn...
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Could you please explain this? I'm too dim to get the causal connection
>> between chain stay length and pedal strike.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:49:41 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> The long chain stays/wheel base are contribuing to the pedal strike
>>> problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Brad]

Thanks for all that info Northof49cold. I'm a chronic rack overloader. I 
figured that if I broke a rack, I'd get a new one. I hadn't considered how 
dangerous the failure might be. I'm off to add a strap to the Nitto 
Mini/basket combo on my Quickbeam. My other bike has a Haulin Colin rack 
with Swift bag and Berthoud decaleur. It didn't occur to me that the 
decaleur also serves as a safety device in case of rack failure, but I 
guess that's an added bonus.

Brad P.
Queens

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 1:22:53 AM UTC-4, Northof49ncold wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 3:56:14 PM UTC-6, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Very unfortunate to hear and glad you're ok. That definitely makes me 
>> nervous. When you say fork crown strut/tang, are you referring to the 2 
>> struts that connect to the top of the fork crown like here 
>> 
>>  or 
>> the single (flimsier) tange that connects to the centerpull brake bolt like 
>> this . 
>>
>> Are using fork crown bolts any more stable than the single centerpull 
>> bolt?
>>
>> I'm referring to the single flat tang -- the flimsy one with the channel 
> in it http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20219.htm -- that runs from 
> the rack to the fork crown hole. The VO Porteur rack uses the same lame 
> 3-point connection (a similar tang with holes in it as well as the two 
> dropout eyelet connectors). Ocean Air has their act together and mentioned 
> the problem in this post: 
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/10/18/upper-porteur-mounting/ . That's the 
> best way to handle the problem but the other way is to rig p-clamps to each 
> side of the fork instead (a little lower down) somewhat like the "updated" 
> factory set-up on the Soma Deluxe Porteur Rack: 
> http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-3773699254952/soma-porteur-rack-stainless-steel-8.gif
>  
> . Click on that photo for detail and you'll see the same tang design as the 
> M18 or VO Porteur. If that sucker breaks due to flex, guess where that rack 
> would be going without the side fork  "interface" to hold onto it? Yup, 
> straight foward! According to a source at VO, he's only seen two breakages 
> in 5 years -- almost certainly due to the bending involved in aligning the 
> tang to connect with the fork crown hole. Two incidents are two too many 
> but I'm sure there are others that haven't been reported. Have at look at 
> the illustrative photo in this blog post to see the contortions sometime 
> necessary to get things aligned: 
> http://velo-orange.blogspot.ca/2014/02/porteur-rack-versatility.html 
> (sixth photo down, click on it for detail). Once bent like that -- and my 
> M18 tang also needed to be bent some -- the tang/strut section right behind 
> the two rack bolts is where the flexing and stress occurs. *That's where 
> my tang broke.* With only a little prodding on my part, VO updated their 
> Porteur Rack page to include links to both the Surly rack kit and the 
> p-clamps: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-porteur-rack.html . 
> Apparently this fix was mentioned earlier this year in a blog post: 
> http://velo-orange.blogspot.ca/2016/04/buy-cheap-stuff-go-camping-mount-racks.html
>  
> . Now get this -- the VO Porteur Rack is rated as holding a maximum payload 
> of 50lbs!! I wouldn't trust it with a 15lb dry bag if a single (heavily 
> bent) tang was holding things together as per normal. Keep in mind that the 
> generous/obscene rating is for the standard rack with no extra beef-up 
> using the Surly kit and the p-clamps or direct fork eyelet connections. I 
> think the main problem here is that most riders simply don't use their 
> bikes enough to have things go tits up. Here's a classic example: 
> http://velo-orange.blogspot.ca/2016/05/raw-camargue-shredeur-mtb-history.html 
> . Note that the hotdog riding/"having fun" on that bike has got an empty 
> front rack. Try doing the same thing with a loaded (50lbs?!)  Porteur rack 
> and carry on for 1000 miles over bumpy trails (or bumpy pavement for that 
> matter). Oh, *be sure to check your life insurance coverage before doing 
> so*. Cass Gilbert of Whileoutriding -- who actually rides his bikes a 
> great deal -- had a Porteur rack installed and pointed out the shaky nature 
> of the 3-pointed beast: 
> http://www.whileoutriding.com/gear-reviews/gear/review-velo-orange-porteur-rack
>  
> . Nice looks but no brawn. 
>
> *No pics, Lungimsam.* I have the rack still mounted with straps wrapped 
> around my dry bag and handlebars and will be using the broken rig for 
> relatively-safe nearby steep hill climbs with little speed involved. I've 
> been training for a trip down the GDMBR and have to use what I  have until 
> a replacement VO Porteur rack shows up with the Surly rack kit and some 
> p-clamps. I have a Revelate Designs harness but the 15lbs is near its limit 
> and I find the harness crowds the bars too 

[RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

[Jon in central Colorado]

Do you have pictures of your 700 -50 marathons and your 700-60 Berthoud 
fender installation?
I would like to see. I ordered a 60 Cheviot.
Thanks,
Jon

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 12:00:46 PM UTC-6, Gum N Nuts wrote:

> I'm running 700x50 schwalbe marathon supremes under 700x60 berthoud 
> fenders on a 60 cm chev. I had to trim the fenders in to accommodate the 
> tektros but everything fits. 
>
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:19:49 PM UTC-7, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>>
>> Michael's comments and the follow up replies made me start thinkingSo 
>> im starting this new thread so as not to derail Michaels.Plastic 
>> Fenders-never again.
>> Im buildinga new Riv Chevy-out. I want fenders and I also want big fat 
>> tires. Since 50mm tires are as big as can be put on it, you have to know 
>> how wide are the tires REALLY.
>> Which is about 46mm
>> Since I know nothing about installing fenders but I do have a Bike 
>> stand..(that should help) Im asking for some clarification among you fender 
>> installing pros.
>> Im considering the VO Zeppelin or the flutted aluminum fenders for good 
>> looks as well as long life. 
>> But I think the 50mm Fender will only allow a 42mm ACTUAL width tire?
>> I also see they have a 63mm fender that will hold a 52 mm tire, but is 
>> that the actual tire width or the size of the tire?
>> How do you know if the fender is too big for the frame?
>> This is where it gets confusing, so any help is appreciated
>> Riv offers the SKS P50 for the chevy, but maybe a steel or Aluminum 
>> fender like the VO will hold up longer, better?
>> Just dont know anything.
>> Your comments are valued.
>>
>> Thanks BBOB )
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Will. That was the piece I'm missing.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:59:41 AM UTC-6, Will wrote:
>
> You have to lean the bike more to carve the same arc (as a shorter 
> wheelbase bike) during a turn... 
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Could you please explain this? I'm too dim to get the causal connection 
>> between chain stay length and pedal strike.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:49:41 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> The long chain stays/wheel base are contribuing to the pedal strike 
>>> problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr, 7 month and 2200 miles in

[Joe Bernard]

I rode a 52 with Boscos at RBW on Saturday, and it fit like a glove. So much so 
that getting back on my 45 yesterday proved I guessed wrong on size. It fits 
well enough with the Choco-Moose bars as an "upright bike", but on the 52 I had 
a lot more room to sit upright at the ends, or stretch forward to the front of 
the Boscos. Live and learn!

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[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[T.O.M.]

According to wunderground.com, 120.8 deg. F in Mesa, AZ.  Felt every bit of 
it.  Wunderground website said it feels like 110, ah, NO it 
didn't!!!  I've been to Death Valley in the summer,  it felt more like a 
cool summer day there..!  And beans always taste good.  With beer!

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>
> 102F just ouside my door as I got home, but that's just a cheap analogue 
> thermometer. I hope we'll peak at 102, though I've seen it at 111 and, 
> IIRC, once at 117 on the west mesa 25 years ago. As little as 3-4% 
> humidity, though, on those days. But this afternoon is humid at 12%. Icky.
>
> Wool is good when you are moving. Not a long ride; I got browned enough as 
> it is on this ride (the sun at 5-6K feet is amazingly bright). Thank God 
> for Filipino genes which allow me to forgo the hassle of sunscreen.
>
> I hear Phoenix may hit 120 -- Gawd, south of us and sea level!
>
> Q: When does a been taste best? A: after a ride on a 100* day. 
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Robert Liebermann]

Maybe it's the AM Coffee talking here, but I've been looking for a place to 
suggest, or at least draw attention to *Heinz Stucke's double-level 
handlebar setup*... may as well throw it in here... I forgot/never knew 
what he used/made for them, but ...

You can see a couple pic here and here if somehow unacquainted with the god 
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http://www.cyclingnorthwales.co.uk/pages/heinz_st.htm
http://en.turizmglobal.com/meet-the-man-cycling-the-world-about-50-years-heinz-stucke/

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fox alaska

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Eric Karnes]

i'm giving the (what appears to be a 62cm) simpleone on eBay a try! i'll 
keep you all apprised of how the size works out. as always, thanks to 
everyone on the list for their expertise!

eric

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:43:50 AM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>>
>> As a Simpleone owner who has had both a 62 and 60 I will say that you 
>> should seriously consider tire size before picking one if you are between 
>> sizes. 
>>
>
> I agree. I have an 88.5 PBH and rode a 60 QB comfortably, but there was a 
> noticeable difference in top tube clearance between 33's and 40's.
>
> jim m
> wc ca 
>

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

[Gum N Nuts]

I'm running 700x50 schwalbe marathon supremes under 700x60 berthoud fenders 
on a 60 cm chev. I had to trim the fenders in to accommodate the tektros 
but everything fits. 


On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:19:49 PM UTC-7, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
> Michael's comments and the follow up replies made me start thinkingSo 
> im starting this new thread so as not to derail Michaels.Plastic 
> Fenders-never again.
> Im buildinga new Riv Chevy-out. I want fenders and I also want big fat 
> tires. Since 50mm tires are as big as can be put on it, you have to know 
> how wide are the tires REALLY.
> Which is about 46mm
> Since I know nothing about installing fenders but I do have a Bike 
> stand..(that should help) Im asking for some clarification among you fender 
> installing pros.
> Im considering the VO Zeppelin or the flutted aluminum fenders for good 
> looks as well as long life. 
> But I think the 50mm Fender will only allow a 42mm ACTUAL width tire?
> I also see they have a 63mm fender that will hold a 52 mm tire, but is 
> that the actual tire width or the size of the tire?
> How do you know if the fender is too big for the frame?
> This is where it gets confusing, so any help is appreciated
> Riv offers the SKS P50 for the chevy, but maybe a steel or Aluminum fender 
> like the VO will hold up longer, better?
> Just dont know anything.
> Your comments are valued.
>
> Thanks BBOB )
>
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Re: [RBW] How hot is your town?

[James Chang]

35C/95F in Taipei Taiwan.  And 59%RH.  Not great for cycling...

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Robert F. Harrison 
wrote:

> Let's see...low to mid-eighties pretty much every day this past week with
> 50-70% humidity depending on the time of day. And that's pretty much our
> normal year round with variations. :-)
>
> I'll be riding across Iowa and Wisconsin (RAGBRAI then solo) at the end of
> July and early August so I expect I'll get some heat and humidity. This
> will be my 3rd RAGBRAI, one was very hot - one was surprisingly not -
> though still warm - both were humid).
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Bob
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> 102F just ouside my door as I got home, but that's just a cheap analogue
>> thermometer. I hope we'll peak at 102, though I've seen it at 111 and,
>> IIRC, once at 117 on the west mesa 25 years ago. As little as 3-4%
>> humidity, though, on those days. But this afternoon is humid at 12%. Icky.
>>
>> Wool is good when you are moving. Not a long ride; I got browned enough
>> as it is on this ride (the sun at 5-6K feet is amazingly bright). Thank God
>> for Filipino genes which allow me to forgo the hassle of sunscreen.
>>
>> I hear Phoenix may hit 120 -- Gawd, south of us and sea level!
>>
>> Q: When does a been taste best? A: after a ride on a 100* day.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Scott McLain]

I have landed in the same space as Will.  I am running a black tubus rear 
rack on my AHH.  My favorite front rack option is the nitto front rack. 
 There is not as much of a premium going to the nitto in the front and you 
can pick them up used on the RBW forum.  I like the small nitto rack 
coupled with the Sackville small Trunksack.  

The other consideration that is a little less rivy is the front 
randoneering bag set up that works best with a front rack.  I went back to 
the trunksack when I added up the cost of going with the front randoneering 
bag.

http://builtbyswift.com/shop/custom-ozette-randonneur-bag/


Scott


On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:46:12 AM UTC-6, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[Chris Burton]

We were there last Saturday (my wife bought a Hillborne) and I took the HHH 
around the building a few times with my kids on the back (one at a time). 
Very comfy. Rode like a bicycle. I liked it.

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Zed Martinez]

I'd have to measure my roadster to compare, maybe I'll do so when I get 
home. It's not a short bike, but not as long as the Clem certainly. I feel 
like the BB drop plus the Sylvans is still most of it though, it's only 
been a problem when I'm turning on a grade. With a BB drop of 67, and a 
theoretical wheel radius with tire of 340, that leaves me 273mm clearance. 
My crank arms are 170mm, so, that only leaves 103mm. I'm not sure how tall 
the Sylvan is, but, that makes the ground clearance under 4" before I even 
start turning, and with a pedal that wide, I guess I'm not surprised it 
strikes if I'm making a 90º turn at the top of a few degrees grade. Not 
sure if the chain stays really come into it. I'll measure my other upright 
bike when I get home, it also has 170mm arms and Sylvans, but isn't nice 
enough to spec its BB drop for me online. I can say it's already got a 6mm 
advantage though, being 700cx35 instead of 650bx48. Ah well, not worth 
speculating, I can just measure'em later and see, but I think my money is 
more on the frame-proportoinal wheel sizes combined with those low drops.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> You know one thing that's been perplexing me on my Clementine is the 
> amount of pedal strike I've been getting.  Odd because,  the BB drop, crank 
> length, etc. isn't really measurably different from several other bikes I 
> own that I have no such issue with!?
> Then this morning I was reading Zed's review and he mentioned pedal strike 
> as well! (And here I thought it was just me) Something about the way I 
> built it!? Then the light bulb went on! The long chain stays/wheel base are 
> contribuing to the pedal strike problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Pondero]

It is great to see such an awesome bike be built up so nicely.  The special 
touches you added show you had some vision going in, and what resulted 
looks spectacular.  I hope (expect) it will bring you many rewards.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Will]

You have to lean the bike more to carve the same arc (as a shorter 
wheelbase bike) during a turn... 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Could you please explain this? I'm too dim to get the causal connection 
> between chain stay length and pedal strike.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:49:41 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> The long chain stays/wheel base are contribuing to the pedal strike 
>> problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
>
> 
>
> I have the Sycip singles bar and love it. It absorbs more vibration than 
> the Jones bar, has about the same sweep, is 26" wide and allows lots of 
> hand room. I use long Grab-on foam grips for extra hand positions. At only 
> $45.00, it's a good buy. 
>

Clayton (Bend) 

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[RBW] Re: WTT: 26.0mm Noodles, Dream

[Rob H.]

CJ I don't believe they make a Noodle with a 25.4mm clamp area, only 26.0. 
Nitto does make a 26-25.4 shim for the clamp though.

On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 3:36:14 PM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
>
> Have: 46, 42cm Noodle, 44cm Dream. All 26.0mm clamp
>
> Want: 42-46cm Noodle or Randonneur in 25.4mm clamp.
>
> Other stuff to trade too (racks, stems, wheels)
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Is this you with your Rivendell?

[Ryan Fleming]

It is kind of a neat site, but you're right, only 1 Hilsen. Quite a few of 
the Tod Kuzma Herons...sure are a whack of Atlantis owners. Would be neat 
to know how many models of each, but I suspect the Atlantis is probably 
still the bread and butter of Rivendell

 Sorta OT but  since I love cats, bikes and beer, how can you not like the 
shop cat pictures

http://www.rideyourbike.com/shopcats.shtml 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:11:44 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> I’m not sure how this relates, but the compilation of photos seems to be 
> almost 10 years old without recent update. I base this on the lack of 
> Hillbornes in the collection. The Hillborne has become a very popular 
> model, and I think it would be represented in such a large sample.
>
> Before the Hillborne came out, the Atlantis and Ram formed the defining 
> Axis of Riv to me, and there are lots of those with a couple Bleriots and a 
> good handful of Herons on the photo compilation. It’s kind of a neat time 
> capsule. Notice no Bombadils either.
>
> The site is really interesting. Where did it come from and is it strange 
> that it didn’t come up on this group’s radar back in the day. (Did it? I 
> don’t remember it?) And why is not active now?
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 2:22 AM, masmojo  
> wrote:
>
> Really brings home just how many Rivendell owners there are and I am 
> guessing the vast majority don't frequent this group, they just ride their 
> bikes and don't bother to come skwawk here.
> I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the number of Atlanti', seeing as it's 
> one of their oldest models,  but it's jaw dropping to see them listed one 
> after the other and realizing it's still just a small representation of how 
> many more that are out there. Does anyone know just how many Rivendells 
> and/or Atlantis's have been made!?
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[iamkeith]

Stunning!  Looking forward to hearing your imressions of the loop bar on that 
frame

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Deacon Patrick]

Could you please explain this? I'm too dim to get the causal connection 
between chain stay length and pedal strike.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:49:41 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
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> The long chain stays/wheel base are contribuing to the pedal strike 
> problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Ryan Fleming]

New bike day is always a good day...nice bike ! Hope you have many happy 
miles on it!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:50:00 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Yep it's the original grey. It changes with the lighting as it's got a 
> bluish tint to it! Maybe the cream also makes it appear light too!
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:19:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> Congrats and that's a gorgeous bike!!!  Very close to how I would outfit 
>> one if I had the funds to indulge in some really nice components.  
>>
>> Are you saying that's the original grey?  I thought it was a completely 
>> different color because it looks much lighter.  Maybe it's the lighting in 
>> your camera or maybe it's just the contrast difference between grey/cream 
>> and grey/burgundy-orange.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>>
>>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>>
>>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>>
>>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, 
>>> work laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - 
>>> via Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really 
>>> like this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly 
>>> around.
>>>
>>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>>> flexible, and very rad.
>>>
>>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>>
>>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered 
>>> my questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Bosco for Noodle or Mark's bar

[Jim M.]

Gone.

On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 2:25:47 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> I have a pair of aluminum, 58cm Boscos that I'd like to trade for 46 or 48 
> Noodles, or 46 Mark's bar. Mine are used with some scuffing on the clamp 
> but otherwise fine.
>
> Local trade preferred, somewhere near Walnut Creek. 
>
> Cheers
> Jim
> Walnut 90 degrees Creek, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: For Deacon Patrick: a new cyclists' diet

[Deacon Patrick]

Delete the sugar and flour and I'm all over that! Well, that's essentially 
what I eat at least one meal a day, eggs and butter and cream. Grin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_cake

With abandon,
Patrick


On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:43:53 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> From Sean Yates's autobio, describing his neo-pro days:
>
> *huge family butter cake*
>

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[masmojo]

You know one thing that's been perplexing me on my Clementine is the amount of 
pedal strike I've been getting.  Odd because,  the BB drop, crank length, etc. 
isn't really measurably different from several other bikes I own that I have no 
such issue with!?
Then this morning I was reading Zed's review and he mentioned pedal strike as 
well! (And here I thought it was just me) Something about the way I built it!? 
Then the light bulb went on! The long chain stays/wheel base are contribuing to 
the pedal strike problem! Ah! Makes perfect sense now!

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Philip Kim]

Yep it's the original grey. It changes with the lighting as it's got a 
bluish tint to it! Maybe the cream also makes it appear light too!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:19:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Congrats and that's a gorgeous bike!!!  Very close to how I would outfit 
> one if I had the funds to indulge in some really nice components.  
>
> Are you saying that's the original grey?  I thought it was a completely 
> different color because it looks much lighter.  Maybe it's the lighting in 
> your camera or maybe it's just the contrast difference between grey/cream 
> and grey/burgundy-orange.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>
>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>
>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>
>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
>> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
>> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
>> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>>
>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>> flexible, and very rad.
>>
>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>
>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
>> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Philip Kim]

Thanks!. I'm a smaller rider 5'6" 150lb. I tried the B17 brooks on my 
upright Cheviot, and could not get along with it. the Swift is just right 
for me. I used to ride the Swift throughout college on an upright fixie, so 
I've never really had any problems. If it starts being uncomfortable, I 
still have the B17 on hand!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:25:01 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> That is one righteous ride! I am totally I n board with what you've done. 
> I think my onky concern would be the Swift saddle,  seems a bit narrow for 
> a semi upright build?
> I was loving the Joe Appaloosa,  but seeing as I am a largish guy I have 
> been thinking that a Hunqapillar is probably the way to go! You haven't 
> helped steel my resolve not to get one! 

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[RBW] For Deacon Patrick: a new cyclists' diet

[Patrick Moore]

>From Sean Yates's autobio, describing his neo-pro days:


*In Paris, we’d go for a ride in the morning then laze around. My favorite
trick was to go to the patisserie along the road and buy a huge family
butter cake. It’s sort of a white cake, made of absolute pure fat. I’d mush
it all up, dump the lot into a salad bowl and sit there eating it with a
spoon like it was a bowl of muesli. *


*Preparing [the cake] was a total ritual for him, like a heroin addict
cooking up, says John Herety [fellow racer and flatmate], The cake would be
divided into squares, then the whole lot would go in the sort of bowl
reserved for family fruit salads. Then a large pot of fromage blanc would
go over the lot. That gave him the excuse to call it “yogurt cake’ like it
was some kind of health food.*


Well, it worked for him!


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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[masmojo]

That is one righteous ride! I am totally I n board with what you've done. I 
think my onky concern would be the Swift saddle,  seems a bit narrow for a semi 
upright build?
I was loving the Joe Appaloosa,  but seeing as I am a largish guy I have been 
thinking that a Hunqapillar is probably the way to go! You haven't helped steel 
my resolve not to get one! 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Marc Irwin]

You won't believe how much you will continue to love your Hunq.  I look 
forward to every ride.  Keep an eye on those pedals, I had both fail in the 
middle of a two week trip last year.  Fortunately there was a small town 
hardware store nearby.   They had some $5 MTB pedals which got me home.  I 
switched to the Grip King pedals with serviceable bearings.

Marc

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Congrats and that's a gorgeous bike!!!  Very close to how I would outfit 
one if I had the funds to indulge in some really nice components.  

Are you saying that's the original grey?  I thought it was a completely 
different color because it looks much lighter.  Maybe it's the lighting in 
your camera or maybe it's just the contrast difference between grey/cream 
and grey/burgundy-orange.  



On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Michael Morrissey]

That looks s good.  The custom stem is awesome!  I love the grey color 
also.

m


On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: tall stem for 25.4 bar

[Belopsky]

1" threaded 25.4 clamp or a 26.0 w shim..

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[RBW] WTB: tall stem for 25.4 bar

[Bill Lindsay]

Your potential seller will likely need to know the steerer type and diameter 
you require

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Deacon Patrick]

Oooh the adventures waiting to be unwrapped! Beautiful mammoth!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:42:50 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
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[RBW] New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[RichS]

Congratulations and well done! My Atlantis has the identical paint. Enjoy!!!

Best regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Bruce Smitham]

Beautiful bike Phil!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:36:45 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Congrats, Phil. 
>
> What a great looking bike.
>
> tailwinds,
> shoji
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>
>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>
>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>
>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
>> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
>> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
>> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>>
>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>> flexible, and very rad.
>>
>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>
>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
>> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Patrick Moore]

Nice rig! Lucky you.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build)
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Philip Kim]

Of course, let me know anytime! I'm usually in Ballston for work during the 
week!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:25:31 AM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> Congrats on your new Hunq!  Love the color and setup especially the Jones 
> bars.  I've been meaning to get up to Gravel and Grind to check it out, 
> seems like a great shop.
>
> Would be nice to see it in person sometime.
>
> Ryan
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>
>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>
>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>
>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
>> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
>> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
>> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>>
>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>> flexible, and very rad.
>>
>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>
>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
>> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Shoji Takahashi]

Congrats, Phil. 

What a great looking bike.

tailwinds,
shoji

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
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> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Philip Kim]

These are Compass Rat Traps 26x55. They are very nice ride so far. Nice and 
wide, but very awesome ride.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:31:26 AM UTC-4, bluebirdonabicycle wrote:
>
> What brand and size on the tires?
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>
>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>
>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>
>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
>> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
>> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
>> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>>
>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>> flexible, and very rad.
>>
>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>
>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
>> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>
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>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[bluebirdonabicycle]

What brand and size on the tires?

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
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[RBW] WTB: tall stem for 25.4 bar

[Belopsky]

Don't care about the condition. Just need something to hike up the bars on 
my cheap Specialized Rock Hopper.

Price? Cheap.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Ryan Thompson]

Congrats on your new Hunq!  Love the color and setup especially the Jones 
bars.  I've been meaning to get up to Gravel and Grind to check it out, 
seems like a great shop.

Would be nice to see it in person sometime.

Ryan
Arlington, VA

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:

> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Mark Reimer]

Gorgeous bike, looks like a ton of fun!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>
> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>
> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>
> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>
> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
> flexible, and very rad.
>
> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>
> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

Awesome! Beautiful bike and build. I run a Carradice on the front too and 
love it. Great to see a quill stem with Jones bars. Love those bars and 
wish they'd make some production quills available in 31.8. 

Sean
ATX
 

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> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>
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RE: [RBW] Is this you with your Rivendell?

[olofstroh]

I remember seing it some ten years ago, and also later. Maybe directed from the 
iBob list. The site as such seems to be active with events scheduled in 2016, 
but no bikes listed to the collection after the first Hilsen.

 

Cheers

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

Jim Warren asked:

 

I’m not sure how this relates, but the compilation of photos seems to be almost 
10 years old without recent update. I base this on the lack of Hillbornes in 
the collection. The Hillborne has become a very popular model, and I think it 
would be represented in such a large sample.

 

Before the Hillborne came out, the Atlantis and Ram formed the defining Axis of 
Riv to me, and there are lots of those with a couple Bleriots and a good 
handful of Herons on the photo compilation. It’s kind of a neat time capsule. 
Notice no Bombadils either.

 

The site is really interesting. Where did it come from and is it strange that 
it didn’t come up on this group’s radar back in the day. (Did it? I don’t 
remember it?) And why is not active now?

 

-Jim W.

 

 

On Jun 20, 2016, at 2:22 AM, masmojo  wrote:

 

Really brings home just how many Rivendell owners there are and I am guessing 
the vast majority don't frequent this group, they just ride their bikes and 
don't bother to come skwawk here.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the number of Atlanti', seeing as it's one 
of their oldest models,  but it's jaw dropping to see them listed one after the 
other and realizing it's still just a small representation of how many more 
that are out there. Does anyone know just how many Rivendells and/or Atlantis's 
have been made!?




 

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[RBW] New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Philip Kim]

Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) on 
Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.

This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.

Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.

Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.

Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
flexible, and very rad.

This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!

Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
questions and all that. It really helped a lot.










I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.








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Re: [RBW] Is this you with your Rivendell?

[James Warren]

I’m not sure how this relates, but the compilation of photos seems to be almost 
10 years old without recent update. I base this on the lack of Hillbornes in 
the collection. The Hillborne has become a very popular model, and I think it 
would be represented in such a large sample.

Before the Hillborne came out, the Atlantis and Ram formed the defining Axis of 
Riv to me, and there are lots of those with a couple Bleriots and a good 
handful of Herons on the photo compilation. It’s kind of a neat time capsule. 
Notice no Bombadils either.

The site is really interesting. Where did it come from and is it strange that 
it didn’t come up on this group’s radar back in the day. (Did it? I don’t 
remember it?) And why is not active now?

-Jim W.


> On Jun 20, 2016, at 2:22 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> Really brings home just how many Rivendell owners there are and I am guessing 
> the vast majority don't frequent this group, they just ride their bikes and 
> don't bother to come skwawk here.
> I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the number of Atlanti', seeing as it's 
> one of their oldest models,  but it's jaw dropping to see them listed one 
> after the other and realizing it's still just a small representation of how 
> many more that are out there. Does anyone know just how many Rivendells 
> and/or Atlantis's have been made!?
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