[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[IanA]

I can speak to two standard B17's and one Professional.  I bought the first 
B17 in 2008 (I think) and it has around 40,000km under my bum.  It is 
definitely characterful, but still is firm and usable (I did install a 
longer bolt for extra stretch).  The second B17 was bought around the same 
time and has far less mileage, but has stretched more and I'm thinking of 
drilling and lacing it.

The Professional (standard rivets, brown) was bought 2014(ish) ans has been 
used on some metric centuries and lots of commuting miles.  I love that 
saddle and don't recall adjusting it more than once.  I will admit that it 
was only 40 euros or so as I bought it on sale from Germany.   I find the 
Professional fits somewhat like a slightly narrower B17 - the skirt is less 
intrusive, but the top feels as wide as a B17. The leather feels thicker 
than the B17 IMO.

Ian A

It is this model 
here 
https://www.google.ca/search?q=brooks+professional+chrome+rails=off=2=1366=681=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwiEqq2SypDPAhWH6YMKHSDjAIYQ_AUIBigB=1#imgrc=3Lgz5ZJczH6wfM%3A



On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 8:23:29 PM UTC-6, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Lungimsam]

I know nothing about bike making and merchandizing. That said, I'd vote for:

Three road bikes at all three weightpoints:
1.700c/650b Roadeo
2. Atlantis (replaces Hunq)
3. Hilsen (replaces Sam)

Mixte:
4. Glorious (if youre gonna do a mixte, might as well do it up)

5. Customs? RBW would know if it is worth it or not to continue with customs.

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Don Compton]

Just FYI. I increased my rear tire to 75psi, but I have left my front tire 
at 60psi.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:16:21 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
> lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[drew]

I think hunq, cheviot and roadeo would cover almost all bases. Or just an 
Atlantis or sam are versatile enough to do most of what we all want and need. 

But Yeah it seems like it's more of a budgetary question rather than an overlap 
one. Right now there is almost an expensive and cheap version of each bike.
Atlantis-Joe
Hunq-Clem
Homer-Sam
Cheviot-Clem L
Roadeo- upcoming road Clem. 

it's a lot of models and I get how it's grown to this point, but In my head it 
makes sense to gradually move everything to the sam model. Nice looking, very 
well made, yet more reasonably priced bikes. One super refined model for each 
purpose. Lugs, nice paint, same names and geometry, but with silver stuff and 
made at maxway.

Likely, a Taiwan made Atlantis will never happen, and i will be sad if it does. 
The current lineup almost seems like it is competing with itself, though. 

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Tim, I like your list and was expecting a topic like this to pop up soon after 
the note from Grant do thanks! :)

My list (tonight - might be different tomorrow);

1. Atlantis or Hunq
2. AHH
3. Appaloosa
4. Cheviot
5. Clem/time

Things I'd be thinking about in needing down;

Price slots
Historic sales volume
Frame building sources capacity

Atlantis is a sentimental pick and I agree with Tim it's the quintessential 
Riv, at the same time its very all rounder-ness makes it tough to go head to 
head with other bikes that are set up according to their niche (ie. not as 
sporty as a Homer, not as robust as a Hunq, not as quirky as the Chev, not as 
'cheap' as the Clem... ). I could see the Atlantis going special order and the 
popular Hunq remaining as the production tough Riv.

Homer is the flagship and can be dressed up pretty road oriented if desired.  

Appaloosa vs the Sam is a pick em for me, I've seen the new Appaloosa at Gravel 
and Grind and demo'd a Sam years ago. App gets my nod because it aligns to the 
new long chainstay philosophy and has the similar price point for completes.  
Also maybe it's a misconception but the Sam seems closer to the Homer so the 
App allows greater division of models in my mind.

Cheviot because it seems like Grant takes every opportunity to rave about it... 
And they seem to sell out.

Clem/tine because of their price point/value to customer is so good, it's the 
'gateway drug' or the justifiable second Riv/kids/spouses Riv.

I don't see why the rest of the Waterford built models couldn't be available on 
an build to order status, keep the sizing/geo stock and the prices should be 
pretty close to current listing.  My list does limit the stock MUSA offerings 
to 2 of 5 which seems skewed but I think makes business sense.

My two cents, fun exercise.  Like the 'one bike' discussion for an individual 
writ large.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I obviously didn't read the responses before replying since I basically 
posted the same thing as dstein.  Great minds think alike!   ;)  

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 10:28:32 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> If they keep all of the current offerings on a "built to order basis", I 
> can see them only stocking the Sam, Clem/Clementine, Appaloosa & Cheviot. 
>  That gives them budget versions of a road bike, an all-purpose bike, a 
> touring bike and a mixte.  That's assuming a Sam has light enough tubing 
> and the Appaloosa has heavy enough tubing.  
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
>> discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
>> Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
>> wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond 
>> farewell to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any 
>> of the models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so 
>> on your response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes 
>> to stock, and which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike 
>> they absolutely must stock. Here's my list:
>>
>> Atlantis
>> A. Homer Hilsen
>> Roadeo
>> Joe Appaloosa
>> Clem Smith Jr.
>> Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type
>>
>> My (probably flawed) reasoning:
>> Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
>> awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the 
>> one for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at 
>> a very good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better 
>> description, the "poor man's Atlantis. 
>>
>> Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
>> girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If they keep all of the current offerings on a "built to order basis", I 
can see them only stocking the Sam, Clem/Clementine, Appaloosa & Cheviot. 
 That gives them budget versions of a road bike, an all-purpose bike, a 
touring bike and a mixte.  That's assuming a Sam has light enough tubing 
and the Appaloosa has heavy enough tubing.  




On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
> discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
> Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
> wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond 
> farewell to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any 
> of the models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so 
> on your response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes 
> to stock, and which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike 
> they absolutely must stock. Here's my list:
>
> Atlantis
> A. Homer Hilsen
> Roadeo
> Joe Appaloosa
> Clem Smith Jr.
> Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type
>
> My (probably flawed) reasoning:
> Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
> awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the 
> one for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at 
> a very good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better 
> description, the "poor man's Atlantis. 
>
> Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
> girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Surlyprof]

I've got a canti-Hillborne and would tend to agree with Will.  It is the 
most comfortable bike I've ever owned and the shorter wheelbase makes it 
great all-arounder on the road-ish side.  I thought I'd want to trade it in 
for an Appaloosa.  However, the more I considered it, the more I thought 
the Hillborne does what I do, about 60% road and 40% trail.  I view the 
Hilson the same way, as an all-arounder on the road-ish side.  I see the 
Atlantis, Hunq and Appaloosa as being more all-arounder on the trail side. 
 With the Hillborne, I can put on a sturdier wheelset with knobbies for 
trail but when I put on the lighter wheelset for road, I get a fun, lively 
ride.  Now, if they could eek out a little more tire clearance (like the 
Appaloosa), that would be a huge winner in my book.  Clems probably need to 
stay as "a gateway Riv".  Plus, they're really fun.

John (who desperately wants a 650b Hunq)

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 6:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
> discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
> Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
> wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond 
> farewell to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any 
> of the models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so 
> on your response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes 
> to stock, and which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike 
> they absolutely must stock. Here's my list:
>
> Atlantis
> A. Homer Hilsen
> Roadeo
> Joe Appaloosa
> Clem Smith Jr.
> Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type
>
> My (probably flawed) reasoning:
> Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
> awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the 
> one for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at 
> a very good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better 
> description, the "poor man's Atlantis. 
>
> Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
> girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fenders (again!) for the '03 Curt -- 26" X 50 mm Berthouds.

[David Banzer]

Patrick (& everyone I suppose),
I have some nice Horween waterproof leather. 
It's a lot thinner than the Berthoud leather. IMO the Berthoud is just a fender 
extender. 
I'd be happy to make up a set for you (& others I suppose) for a reasonable 
price. 
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Bill M.]

Sorry, can't agree.  The Roadeo is set up to maximize clearance with a 
standard reach caliper.  Stretching it to bigger rubber would mean 
different brakes, and basically make it a slightly lighter Hilsen.  Too 
much overlap there.  IMO 28 - 33 mm is a sweet spot for a fast, 
comfortable, paved road, club-sport-not-quite-a-racing bike.  

I've been thinking about having a custom frame built.  Every time I take a 
stab at the geometry I'd want, then nudge it back to what can actually be 
built without running into clearance problems, I wind up with something 
that might as well be a Roadeo.

As for what Riv should keep, IMO the core is:
Roadeo
Atlantis
Homer
Sam
Anything else could rotate in and out of the batting order.  Can one bike 
sit in the middle of the Hunq/Joe/Clem/Cheviot space as an affordable rough 
stuff / commuter / shopper / budget tourer / lowered top tube bike?

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 7:33:58 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
>  If any bike in the line-up needs an update, it's Roadeo. Tires options 
> are much better these days. It would be nice if Roadeo was configured to 
> take more rubber.   
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[dstein]

I am a proud Hunqapillar owner and would say that one should stay since it 
is the best off road option. Though assuming the hunqapillar, rodeo, 
atlantis, and AHH are all made to order and don't take up stock, couldn't 
we leave those off the wish list as it's not much extra effort for 
Rivendell to keep offering them? If so then it seems it boils down to:

Sam Hillborne
Appaloosa
Clem Smith Jr/Clementine
Cheviot

I think it's kinda between the SH and Appaloosa and Clem/Clementime vs. the 
Cheviot. In which case I think the Cheviot and Appaloosa could cede to the 
SH and Clem/Clementine. Though if a road-y version of a Clem is coming that 
would add a little complexity.


On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 7:33:58 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> I think Hillborne needs to on the list, particularly if they go back to 
> canti-posts for it. It is a beautiful, smart, bike. Clem can take a 
> vacation. I had very high hopes for Appaloosa but the 55cm chainstays 
> dampened that enthusiasm. So I'd give that a rest as well. If any bike in 
> the line-up needs an update, it's Roadeo. Tires options are much better 
> these days. It would be nice if Roadeo was configured to take more rubber. 
>   
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
>> discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
>> Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
>> wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond 
>> farewell to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any 
>> of the models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so 
>> on your response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes 
>> to stock, and which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike 
>> they absolutely must stock. Here's my list:
>>
>> Atlantis
>> A. Homer Hilsen
>> Roadeo
>> Joe Appaloosa
>> Clem Smith Jr.
>> Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type
>>
>> My (probably flawed) reasoning:
>> Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
>> awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the 
>> one for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at 
>> a very good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better 
>> description, the "poor man's Atlantis. 
>>
>> Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
>> girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Evan E.]

Deacon Patrick,

No! Please stay. But if you really must go, then please DO stop by at least 
once a month, OK? 

I will sorely miss your thoughts and your pictures and your buoyant spirit. 
And as this thread shows, I am not alone!

Evan 

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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Will]

I think Hillborne needs to on the list, particularly if they go back to 
canti-posts for it. It is a beautiful, smart, bike. Clem can take a 
vacation. I had very high hopes for Appaloosa but the 55cm chainstays 
dampened that enthusiasm. So I'd give that a rest as well. If any bike in 
the line-up needs an update, it's Roadeo. Tires options are much better 
these days. It would be nice if Roadeo was configured to take more rubber. 
  

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
> discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
> Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
> wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond 
> farewell to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any 
> of the models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so 
> on your response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes 
> to stock, and which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike 
> they absolutely must stock. Here's my list:
>
> Atlantis
> A. Homer Hilsen
> Roadeo
> Joe Appaloosa
> Clem Smith Jr.
> Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type
>
> My (probably flawed) reasoning:
> Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
> awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the 
> one for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at 
> a very good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better 
> description, the "poor man's Atlantis. 
>
> Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
> girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fenders (again!) for the '03 Curt -- 26" X 50 mm Berthouds.

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Patrick, try Nikwax on the leather mud flap, top of Brooks saddle, etc. The 
Nikwax will help make it near waterproof (for a while) and won't attract 
dirt. Works great on my hiking boots (which do spend a lot of time in the 
wet) and my Brooks saddle.

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks. The install has been improved since that post.
>
> The Berthoud flap is my choice; but our "monsoon" season (9" average/year 
> citywide; 14" near mountains, 5" at extreme westside) is running out and I 
> may just wait and see if I can't find a cheap pair of boots or a cheap 
> leather bag at Goodwill and make my own.
>
> I did this with one of the earlier Honjo fender sets for this same bike, 
> some 5-6 years ago -- I amputated some 4" off the bottom of the front 
> fender to avoid interference with our bus bike racks, then overcompensated 
> with a huge10" long and 8" wide leather flap, home made. I greased it so 
> heavily that the stuff still rubbed off on my fingers after 2 years or so 
> of use. The trouble with so much grease is that it picked up fine grit, and 
> the thing was always slightly disreputable even after the bike was cleaned.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> grease up the berthoud mudflaps...they should be fine...your fenders look 
>> good Patrick...don't obsess :)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:22:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> The Berthoud certainly looks likely. I could grease it up well with bear 
>>> or hog grease and I daresay it would live out its normal lifespan. Perhaps 
>>> cheap axle grease would work, too.
>>>
>>> On my short list. I may be able to scavenge leather from a used pair of 
>>> shoes; must visit Goodwill.
>>>
>>> I'll chance the wind resistance. My previous flaps have been excessively 
>>> wide and long.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:05 PM, René Sterental  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've gotten some wide Honjo mudguards; they're thin and light so the 
 aluminum fenders can support them. I ordered them from Boulder Bicycles.

 On my Atlantis with its 50mm steel Berthoud fenders, I have the Brooks 
 leather mudguard and a while back had the Berthoud, which was even 
 thicker. 
 I never stopped to think about it, but now that you mention it, that must 
 be the reason I'm slow. The darn mudguard is creating too much wind 
 resistance!!!

 BTW, a flexible mudguard might actually increase the area of coverage 
 upwards, assuming your fenders are long enough. If they aren't, then you'd 
 need a stiffer one to essentially elongate the fender.

 René "now I know why I'm slow" :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Cameron Murphy]

Rene,

I would certainly proofhide any saddles I wanted to store long term.  The 
tanning process leaches a lot of the natural oils out of the leather, which 
are then replaced to some degree at later stages at the tannery before 
being sent off to Brooks.  As far as I know, Brooks doesn't do any further 
treatment to the hides before shipping the saddles off.  Exposure to air 
over time will cause some lighter oil fractions to evaporate, and others to 
oxidize, forming things closer to varnish or wax than oil.  The goal of 
dressings like proofhide is to replace those oils, and by doing so, protect 
the leather fibers themselves from drying out and or oxidizing, and keeping 
the leather somewhat pliable.  Left perfectly alone, depending on 
temperature and humidity, the leather will eventually dry out and become 
brittle and or crack. ("Eventually" may be years or multiple decades 
depending on conditions, and initial leather quality and tanning)  Some of 
that damage can be undone by treatments like proofhide at a later date, but 
it would be best to avoid the damage in the first place.   I would 
proofhide them before storage, and if possible, give them another light 
coat every year or two.

Cameron Murphy
San Marcos, CA

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:12:33 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future 
> use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store 
> them?
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  > wrote:
>
>> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, 
>> which is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just 
>> takes more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to 
>> adjust the tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform 
>> in a matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets 
>> just as much use and sees just as much rain).  
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
>>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
>>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more 
>> stout than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't 
>> discontinue the Select models, or I wish they would make their normal 
>> models just as good because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm A Homer Hilsen, 650b tires and 26" dyno whell

[CMR]

Hilsen arrived at my house yesterday, perfectly safely packed. Thanks, Jeff!

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[RBW] Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In Grants email that went out yesterday he said that they're going to be 
discontinuing some models because there's not room to stock them all. 
Soo.this should be a fun exercise (and for many of us a little gut 
wrenching). Let's decide which bikes to keep and which to wave a fond farewell 
to, remembering, of course, that I'm sure you could always get any of the 
models as a custom. Grant didn't say how many they'd be keeping so on your 
response you can either: 1. Say how many different types of bikes to stock, and 
which ones, or 2. Rank them in order, with #1 being the bike they absolutely 
must stock. Here's my list:

Atlantis
A. Homer Hilsen
Roadeo
Joe Appaloosa
Clem Smith Jr.
Clementine/Clem Smith Jr. L-Type

My (probably flawed) reasoning:
Atlantis must always be there. It's the quintessential Riv. Hilsen is an 
awesome "country bike". Roadeo fills the "go fast" category. Clem is the one 
for rough stuff and Clementine takes care of the mixte/step-through, at a very 
good price. And the Joe Appaloosa is, for lack of a better description, the 
"poor man's Atlantis. 

Full disclosure: I currently have a Hilsen, Roadeo, Hunqapillar, and my 
girlfriend has a Sam, with a tandem in the oven.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Bob K.]

This summer, after riding B17s exclusively for over a decade, I decided to try 
out a narrower saddle. There was an old Specialized Comp 143 lying around my 
school's bike shop, so I slapped it on my late 80s Rockhopper before a 
three-day camping trip on the VA Mountain Bike Trail in the Jefferson National 
Forest. The first ten or so miles were pretty painful, but the next 120 were 
pure bliss. 

Upon returning home, my vanity took over and even though it was so comfortable, 
I couldn't bring myself to swap it onto my Sam. It just didn't "feel" right 
even though it did! I kept riding with the saggy and splayed-out B17 that I 
desperately need to address, trying to fight back the memories of the ugly 
saddle's comforts, when it occurred to me that trying out a C15 might be a good 
call, so I got one on loan from my LBS this past week. Cost me $25, but after 
hearing mixed reviews I wasn't sure I'd like it, so I decided to go the demo 
route.

On first look, the shape was perfect, almost exactly like the plastic 
Specialized saddle, but the first ride was awful. I had a bunch of pain from 
the firmer feel, and everything felt just plain wrong. I decided to give it the 
full week, though. Very much to my surprise, after some slight adjustments and 
a couple of "longer" rides, it felt incredible! I could hardly believe the 
transformation. I know others have had some issues with durability, but I might 
take the plunge anyway as I'm worn out on messing around with leather. I'm 
thinking the C15 carved will be the sweet spot since it offers a bit more flex. 
I'll report back once I pinch enough pennies to snag one.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[René Sterental]

Thanks. That's what I thought made sense. Will do the same.

René

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> Rene, I will proofhide it.  I have a Select now that will go on my new
> Cheviot and one will be the "spare" for future use.  So not too much
> hoarding but I did want to make sure I had an extra one if in fact they
> were discontinued.
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>> If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future
>> use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store
>> them?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  wrote:
>>
>>> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily,
>>> which is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just
>>> takes more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to
>>> adjust the tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform
>>> in a matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets
>>> just as much use and sees just as much rain).
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:



 I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other
 rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or
 thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago


>>>
>>> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more
>>> stout than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't
>>> discontinue the Select models, or I wish they would make their normal
>>> models just as good because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Grant @ Rivendell]

downhill eCumbents?<---dat da diff direction?

pm me please, P.
G


On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[John Hawrylak]

The values I posted, 47/54 psig were INCORRECT for a 38mm tire.  I 
mistakenly used the pressures calculated for a 35mm tire.  I apologize.

The pressure for the 203lb rider & bike for 38mm 
are   40psig F, 48psig R,
The pressures for the 203lb with 5lb extra on the Front for 38mm are  
42psig F, 48psig R

Both assume a 45%/55% distribution.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
  
On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 9:41:21 PM UTC-4, GAJett wrote:

> Berto Tire Pressure App says 38 front, 52 rear.  So your 45 AVERAGE is 
> spot on!  It just needs to be redistributed.
> Cheers,
> GAJett
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 6:48:27 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> So if I am 175lbs., on 27.9 lbs. of Bleriot, with 5 lbs. of front 
>> baggage, on 650b x 38mm Compass Loup Loup tires, at 45psi front and back, 
>> where does that put me? 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Rene, I will proofhide it.  I have a Select now that will go on my new 
Cheviot and one will be the "spare" for future use.  So not too much 
hoarding but I did want to make sure I had an extra one if in fact they 
were discontinued.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future 
> use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store 
> them?
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  > wrote:
>
>> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, 
>> which is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just 
>> takes more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to 
>> adjust the tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform 
>> in a matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets 
>> just as much use and sees just as much rain).  
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
>>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
>>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more 
>> stout than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't 
>> discontinue the Select models, or I wish they would make their normal 
>> models just as good because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Bernie Burton]

Patrick--

Dominus Vobiscum!

Bernie Burton

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
>
>
> This is terribly disappointing.  Your posts and pictures, and also your
> wide-ranging discussions, have been inspiring and thought-provoking for me
> – we are not always in agreement, but your manifest enjoyment of life (not
> just bikes, but bikes, too!) has been a great joy to see on this list.
>
>
>
> Like others, I hope you're not leaving because of a slight, real or
> perceived, in something posted on this site.  I believe there is genuine
> respect for you here, as a number of replies in this thread eloquently
> reflect.  Perhaps you'll reconsider, but whether you do or not, I wish you
> the very best in your travels in your new direction.  Stop in and see us
> from time to time!
>
>
>
> Very best,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Deacon Patrick
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:05 PM
> *To:* Rivendell Owners Rivendell Owners Group
> *Subject:* [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"
>
>
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God
> startle you with joy!
>
>
> With abandon,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Ryan,

Thank for the thoughts.  It was not Homer related.  Homie was safe and
sound in my living room when this happened.  It was boat related.  I was on
an unfamiliar boat, stepped from the swim step over the gunwale into the
cockpit, and shifted forward with my left foot/leg still weighted.  Pop.
I'm not sure yet if it torqued or overextended.  I follow up with the ortho
at 7am next Monday.

Tim


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> Hope this wasn't an accident with the new Homer by the way...your new bike
> looks really sweet. I hope your recovery is a speedy one. Good luck
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:14:14 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> Per an emergency room visit late last night, I tore the meniscus in my
>> left knee and my 'get acquainted with Homer' plan has been put on temporary
>> hold.  I will continue to lurk on and off, but my occasional banter has
>> been put on hold a bit 'til I get things sorted.  I now need to follow up
>> with an orthopedic and find out whether it was medial/lateral,
>> inside/outside, and what kind of delay this may put on my riding.  Ugg.
>>
>> Tim
>>
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RE: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Patrick:

This is terribly disappointing.  Your posts and pictures, and also your 
wide-ranging discussions, have been inspiring and thought-provoking for me – we 
are not always in agreement, but your manifest enjoyment of life (not just 
bikes, but bikes, too!) has been a great joy to see on this list.

Like others, I hope you're not leaving because of a slight, real or perceived, 
in something posted on this site.  I believe there is genuine respect for you 
here, as a number of replies in this thread eloquently reflect.  Perhaps you'll 
reconsider, but whether you do or not, I wish you the very best in your travels 
in your new direction.  Stop in and see us from time to time!

Very best,
Tom

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deacon Patrick
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:05 PM
To: Rivendell Owners Rivendell Owners Group
Subject: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this group — 
you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and fine tuning 
the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God startle you with 
joy!

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, René.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:47 AM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> Hope you get better quickly!
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, Patrick.  Sorry to hear of your departure (vacation?) from the
group.  I hope all is well with you and yours.

Tim

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Och! Sorry to hear that! Prayers that you heal rapidly and well, Tim!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 8:14:14 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> Per an emergency room visit late last night, I tore the meniscus in my
>> left knee and my 'get acquainted with Homer' plan has been put on temporary
>> hold.  I will continue to lurk on and off, but my occasional banter has
>> been put on hold a bit 'til I get things sorted.  I now need to follow up
>> with an orthopedic and find out whether it was medial/lateral,
>> inside/outside, and what kind of delay this may put on my riding.  Ugg.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Scott Henry]

My problem with helmets is that I have a w-i-d-e head.   I measure out to 7
1/2 or 7 3/4 for a ball cap, so I guess big and wide, not a good combo.   I
feel sorry for Mom, I guess Dad too.

Helmets tend to fit but push into the sides of my head and end up giving
headaches.   So rarely do I wear them.When required at events I usually
end up in a hairnet.   Most organizers don't specify the TYPE of helmet
that is required, only that a helmet must be worn.

I don't have the actual name of the helmet, but I did find one of the Bell
helmets that fit comfortably.   To bad it was the race helmet with the
integrated faceshield, I looked like one of the Spaceballs guys.
Scott

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> I have a Bell Citi helmet in loud yellow with a visor. I like the visor
> because I use it to attach my "Take a Look" mirror, which I've really come
> to depend on after getting used to it. (Yes, it took me quite a while to
> get used to a rear view mirror sticking off the end of my helmet.)
>
> However, a problem with the helmet, at least for my head: when riding at
> speed (say down a long descent), the back of my head, near the ears, begins
> to hurt. I think this is caused by wind getting under the visor and thus
> shifting the helmet ever so slightly on my head, but I can't be sure. Which
> makes me want to take the visor off. But then I loose my mirror. (I have
> tried the mirror on glasses and don't like it nearly as much as helmet
> mounted.)
>
> Does anyone else have this problem with their helmet?
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:06:41 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me
>> several years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and
>> probably needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on
>> helmets in the past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new
>> helmet.  As I started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets
>> I'd never seen; (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and;
>> (3) some of the prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try
>> to ping on friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so
>> often, I may actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not
>> looking to start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights
>> from those who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd
>> love to hear everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was
>> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.
>>
>> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding
>> -bike-helmet.html
>>
>> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>>
>> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Folda
>> ble-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CI
>> C3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>>
>> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs
>> 8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-
>> Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>>
>> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>>
>>
>>
>> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Nitto Pearl Stem 80 mm/25.4 and Dura Ace 7410 or similar rear skewer 126 or 130.

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Patrick

I have a pearl on my allrounder, and a Nitto Tech Deluxe on my PX-10. I 
feel the finish is the samesuperb and both stems are cold-forged. Only 
thing really missing is the Pearl logo.Clamp is a little different too and 
I believe the quill is  shorter (150mm for Pearl vs 190mm for TD)  Honestly 
, they're both absolutely elegant stems. If you can't find a suitable Pearl 
and it's a must-have I feel that they probably can still be found on online 
sites that do a lot of NJS Nitto, MKS volume. 

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:59:20 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I was surprised to see that these stems are still on the market, but I 
> wonder if a lister has a used one available. My '99 is fretting because it 
> only has one of those old Specialized "Aero" stems that Rivendell used to 
> sell 20 years ago, while the '03 sports the Pearl.
>
> Again, 80 mm and 25.4, tho' if the price is right, I'll consider a 26.0.
>
> The neat thing about buying onlist is that you become part of that great 
> cosmic gyre of bicycle buying and selling: the bits I've been selling 
> transmogrify into new stuff for my bikes, and will eventually be sold on, 
> thus perpetuating the eternal *samsara* of upgrading.
>
> Question: Are Technomic Deluxes of the same quality, feature, and finish 
> as the Pearls?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[René Sterental]

If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future
use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store
them?

René

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  wrote:

> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, which
> is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just takes
> more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to adjust the
> tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform in a
> matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets just
> as much use and sees just as much rain).
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other
>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or
>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>
>>
>
> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more stout
> than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't discontinue the
> Select models, or I wish they would make their normal models just as good
> because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[John Bokman]

I have a Bell Citi helmet in loud yellow with a visor. I like the visor 
because I use it to attach my "Take a Look" mirror, which I've really come 
to depend on after getting used to it. (Yes, it took me quite a while to 
get used to a rear view mirror sticking off the end of my helmet.)

However, a problem with the helmet, at least for my head: when riding at 
speed (say down a long descent), the back of my head, near the ears, begins 
to hurt. I think this is caused by wind getting under the visor and thus 
shifting the helmet ever so slightly on my head, but I can't be sure. Which 
makes me want to take the visor off. But then I loose my mirror. (I have 
tried the mirror on glasses and don't like it nearly as much as helmet 
mounted.)

Does anyone else have this problem with their helmet?

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:06:41 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I also ordered one online to make sure I had a spare one should I need in 
the future.  I have some older saddles that I got off of eBay and have to 
agree that saddles from the 1970/1980 even 1990 are thicker leather than 
the new ones produced now.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 3:26:53 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote:
>
> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, which 
> is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just takes 
> more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to adjust the 
> tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform in a 
> matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets just 
> as much use and sees just as much rain).  
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>
>>  
>
> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more stout 
> than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't discontinue the 
> Select models, or I wish they would make their normal models just as good 
> because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Bill Lindsay]

I hope you aren't leaving us because we insist on using the term "cockpit" 
to refer to a bicycle's handlebar assembly.  

"sardonic grin"
and
"with abandon"

tailwinds

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Bay Area: Angel Island Thursday night camp site up for grabs (Sept 15)

[René Sterental]

Ahhh, too bad I'm traveling for work...

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:49 PM, al lin  wrote:

> Hey RBW Group,
>
> I just realised I can't take that much time off work to make this midweek
> overnighter happen, and hope someone with a more flexible schedule can take
> my rad campsite on Angel Island.
>
> You're bound by the ferry, and the last ferry out is on at Thursday,
> 1:05pm, and the first one back to SF is at Friday, 1:55pm. More info here:
> http://www.blueandgoldfleet.com/ferry/angel-island/
>
> If anyone would like to take my spot, hit me up!
> al
> sf/ca
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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Matt B.]

The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, which 
is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just takes 
more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to adjust the 
tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform in a 
matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets just 
as much use and sees just as much rain).  

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>
>  

This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more stout 
than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't discontinue the 
Select models, or I wish they would make their normal models just as good 
because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.


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[RBW] WTB - Paselas

[Kai Vierstra]

I have some you can have. 
P.M. me and we can work out a pickup or dropoff.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fenders (again!) for the '03 Curt -- 26" X 50 mm Berthouds.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. The install has been improved since that post.

The Berthoud flap is my choice; but our "monsoon" season (9" average/year
citywide; 14" near mountains, 5" at extreme westside) is running out and I
may just wait and see if I can't find a cheap pair of boots or a cheap
leather bag at Goodwill and make my own.

I did this with one of the earlier Honjo fender sets for this same bike,
some 5-6 years ago -- I amputated some 4" off the bottom of the front
fender to avoid interference with our bus bike racks, then overcompensated
with a huge10" long and 8" wide leather flap, home made. I greased it so
heavily that the stuff still rubbed off on my fingers after 2 years or so
of use. The trouble with so much grease is that it picked up fine grit, and
the thing was always slightly disreputable even after the bike was cleaned.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> grease up the berthoud mudflaps...they should be fine...your fenders look
> good Patrick...don't obsess :)
>
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:22:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Berthoud certainly looks likely. I could grease it up well with bear
>> or hog grease and I daresay it would live out its normal lifespan. Perhaps
>> cheap axle grease would work, too.
>>
>> On my short list. I may be able to scavenge leather from a used pair of
>> shoes; must visit Goodwill.
>>
>> I'll chance the wind resistance. My previous flaps have been excessively
>> wide and long.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:05 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
>>
>>> I've gotten some wide Honjo mudguards; they're thin and light so the
>>> aluminum fenders can support them. I ordered them from Boulder Bicycles.
>>>
>>> On my Atlantis with its 50mm steel Berthoud fenders, I have the Brooks
>>> leather mudguard and a while back had the Berthoud, which was even thicker.
>>> I never stopped to think about it, but now that you mention it, that must
>>> be the reason I'm slow. The darn mudguard is creating too much wind
>>> resistance!!!
>>>
>>> BTW, a flexible mudguard might actually increase the area of coverage
>>> upwards, assuming your fenders are long enough. If they aren't, then you'd
>>> need a stiffer one to essentially elongate the fender.
>>>
>>> René "now I know why I'm slow" :-)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New fenders (again!) for the '03 Curt -- 26" X 50 mm Berthouds.

[Ryan Fleming]

grease up the berthoud mudflaps...they should be fine...your fenders look 
good Patrick...don't obsess :)

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:22:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The Berthoud certainly looks likely. I could grease it up well with bear 
> or hog grease and I daresay it would live out its normal lifespan. Perhaps 
> cheap axle grease would work, too.
>
> On my short list. I may be able to scavenge leather from a used pair of 
> shoes; must visit Goodwill.
>
> I'll chance the wind resistance. My previous flaps have been excessively 
> wide and long.
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:05 PM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> I've gotten some wide Honjo mudguards; they're thin and light so the 
>> aluminum fenders can support them. I ordered them from Boulder Bicycles.
>>
>> On my Atlantis with its 50mm steel Berthoud fenders, I have the Brooks 
>> leather mudguard and a while back had the Berthoud, which was even thicker. 
>> I never stopped to think about it, but now that you mention it, that must 
>> be the reason I'm slow. The darn mudguard is creating too much wind 
>> resistance!!!
>>
>> BTW, a flexible mudguard might actually increase the area of coverage 
>> upwards, assuming your fenders are long enough. If they aren't, then you'd 
>> need a stiffer one to essentially elongate the fender.
>>
>> René "now I know why I'm slow" :-)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Paselas

[Ryan Fleming]

For a city-commuter bike , the tourguard feature is not a terrible idea, 
and if you get a folding version , the  tire rides quite nicely and is not 
super heavy. 

My experience with the 3 sets of compass tires (26 X 1.5 McClure Pass 
standard...don't think extralight is even an option and 700 X 32 Stampede 
Pass extralight) is that they do have a lovely supple ride but you 
sacrifice durability to get this. The McClures have flatted twice in 3-400 
kilometers of commuting and...dare I say this...I am fairly lucky when it 
comes to flats...sometimes I've even gone a season or 2 without flats ... a 
season being maybe 2500-3500 kilometers. You high-mileage guys will laugh, 
but  l still think  that the Paselas are excellent tires and I've been 
using Tourguard versions for at least 10 years. The Compass tires Jan makes 
are a great product but not perhaps  the best in terms of flat protection 
for the mean streets of Winnipeg . To be fair I don't think that was Jan's 
intent.



On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 5:37:02 PM UTC-5, M D Smith wrote:
>
> Hello all-
>
> I'm looking for one or two new or lightly used 700x32 non-tourguard 
> Panaracer Paselas tire(s) with the tan sidewalls.
>
> I will probably just end up buying some new ones, but I want to throw it 
> out there in case someone traded up (or down) and have some lying around. 
>  These are for a city/commuter bike, so dirty is ok as long as there's life 
> left In them.
>
> If anyone can help me out, please hit me off-list at beewak-at-gmail and 
> let me know what you'd want for them shipped to 11218 (or I can pick them 
> up if you're in NYC.)
>
> Cheers- Mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have a Giro Aspect and Giro Reverb - the former looks to have an
exorbitant list price of $175 but I'm positive I didn't pay that much, my
recollection is that my price was similar to the price of the Reverb, which
was $60.

I like these helmets because they don't have a super-racy profile, they fit
my medium-large head nicely, and they have a detachable soft brim that
looks like you have a short brim cycling cap on underneath. I can't wear
those caps for most of the year - too hot, but I appreciate the brim for
the bit of shade it gives my eyes. The Reverb is ventilated, but not too
much, so it's more of my winter helmet now, while the Aspect has a bit more
ventilation.

[image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2]

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD


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> it except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies...
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Re: [RBW] Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Ryan Fleming]

I think on Monday (Sep 12) I was browsing Amazon (is there anything they 
don't sell? ) and they had 4 in stock. 

I just checked now , and now they say they have 3...$171.00 - 10% discount

https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Saddles-Mens-Select-Saddle/dp/B00S4DC10W  


I ordered one for my Riv custom mixte back in February...when I saw this 
thread, I emailed Mark at Riv who's got one on the shelf earmarked for me 
so I don't have to worry about ordering one. 

I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago


On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 3:13:26 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> If you browse online, you can still find the B17 Select in some sites, but 
> in others it already shows OOS and a similar message to the RBW site.
>
> I was looking for a B17 Flyer Select and only found it on a site in 
> Germany. Everywhere else it isn't available anymore, even in the UK. 
>
> So if you want one, get it now.
>
> René 
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016, Chris Birkenmaier  > wrote:
>
>> *178.00* 
>> *Made in:* UK
>>
>>
>> *Availability:* discontinued by Brooks, while supplies last... 
>> *product code: S6-11003 * 
>> Qty: 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Yep - It was on the Saddle page of RBW.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>>> It was mentioned above that it may just be misinformation about the 
>>> model being discontinued.  I remember seeing it somewhere a while back from 
>>> - wait - Rivendell?  Yeah, I think it was their site that mentioned it.  I 
>>> just checked on the main Brooks site and it shows the Select and ordering 
>>> availability.  However, I do know that Brooks has lagged current 
>>> information which is kind of odd to happen.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:

 It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
 saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
 "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
 Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!

 Jeff
 Arlington, VA

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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Nitto Pearl Stem 80 mm/25.4 and Dura Ace 7410 or similar rear skewer 126 or 130.

[Patrick Moore]

I was surprised to see that these stems are still on the market, but I
wonder if a lister has a used one available. My '99 is fretting because it
only has one of those old Specialized "Aero" stems that Rivendell used to
sell 20 years ago, while the '03 sports the Pearl.

Again, 80 mm and 25.4, tho' if the price is right, I'll consider a 26.0.

The neat thing about buying onlist is that you become part of that great
cosmic gyre of bicycle buying and selling: the bits I've been selling
transmogrify into new stuff for my bikes, and will eventually be sold on,
thus perpetuating the eternal *samsara* of upgrading.

Question: Are Technomic Deluxes of the same quality, feature, and finish as
the Pearls?

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Hope this wasn't an accident with the new Homer by the way...your new bike 
looks really sweet. I hope your recovery is a speedy one. Good luck

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> Per an emergency room visit late last night, I tore the meniscus in my 
> left knee and my 'get acquainted with Homer' plan has been put on temporary 
> hold.  I will continue to lurk on and off, but my occasional banter has 
> been put on hold a bit 'til I get things sorted.  I now need to follow up 
> with an orthopedic and find out whether it was medial/lateral, 
> inside/outside, and what kind of delay this may put on my riding.  Ugg.
>
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[René Sterental]

Hope you get better quickly!

René

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I am using 10 speed with an XD600 non-indexed which claims to be 8 speed,
> and never had the chain fall between the sprockets except when sitting
> still in the garage one time.  Never when riding.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>>> * 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank
>>> -  lowers the danger factor, always a good thing
>>>
>>>
>> Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino XD-2
>> crank?   I suspect this fear is greatly exaggerated.  Even with 11 speed
>> chains, "falling between" is probably an overstatement, although "works but
>> not perfectly" might be the case.
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

my buddy just got one of the Giro's with the snap-in sunglasses - I like it 
except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies...

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Re: [RBW] FS: 62 SimpleOne

[Mark Benedetto]

This bike is still available. 

Forgot to mention the rear wheel is a flip-flop with 15t fixed

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Philip Kim]

helmets are getting up in price. i have a giro savant which I like - light, 
and breathable. beats the heavy skate helmet i was wearing before.

I feel like price-wise you're paying for more breathability, aero, and less 
weight.

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:06:41 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[John]

My POC Octal AVIP MIPS helmet is the best ventilated helmet I've tried so 
far, that I really, really like.

  Deacon is not wrong, helmets won't stop the contrecoup brain injuries. 

But I would rather hit my head on a car or the road or a rock, or whatever, 
with a helmet on my head than to hit something without one.

I'm hoping the MIPS feature in my POC Octal AVIP MIPS helmet will provide 
some additional protection in a collision, and I hope the orange color 
helps make me more visible on the road.

If wearing a helmet does in fact cause some riders to ride more recklessly, 
well then, there's no helping some people. I know I don't ride around 
blowing through stoplights just because I'm wearing my helmet.

My wife treats people with traumatic brain injuries, and she says if you 
did what she does, you wouldn't ride without one. But I'm sure she herself 
is somewhat traumatized by seeing her patients.

Just my $0.02,

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

on my 20' toss, I landed on both gloves, my pants and the side/top of my 
helmet - I had the slightest road rash under my knickers.  

Maybe one day they'll have a realistic bike air bag, but until then it's 
just smart to use basic protective gear.  
And if you ride with your kids, you should be an example to them.  

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[John]

Come on Big Guy, go for a ride and get it out of your system, take some 
photos, and show us how it's done!

No sulking!

John

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Surlyprof]

Patrick,

Thanks for all the inspiration and great advice.  To state the obvious... you 
will be missed.

Enjoy your ride, too.
John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Surlyprof]

So true, Kai.  I was run off the road once and the frame caught a roadside 
sprinkler.  Went from 20mph to 0 real quick.  Sent me flying over handlebars.  
Somehow I managed to flip over, land on my back and slide down the hillside to 
a smooth stop.  Would have been injury free had I not hit a tree with my hip at 
the bottom (bruises only).  I credit years of falling off skateboards as a kid 
for the 9-ish point landing.  

Still getting a new helmet, though!

John

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[RBW] Nitto Albastache bars

[Surlyprof]

I wish I'd bought the trp levers.  They talked me into the the cheaper tiagras 
back when I was buying my set up at Riv.  They said that the trp's angle didn't 
work well with albastache. I may spring for the trps eventually and reverse 
them as you did.  Those gum rubber hoods look fantastic.

John

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Albastache bars

[Ryan Fleming]

I think they look good...the TRP levers, I meanI love them on drop bars 
too

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 9:10:17 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Hahaha crap. I thought I was the only one too. It does work really well 
> flipped. 
>
> They are the trp levers, and they are awkward used right side up on these 
> bars, but they are awesome upside down. 
>
> 2 of us agree on this fact 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad]

$2150 professionally packed and shipped.

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[RBW] FS: Bags, .

[David Banzer]

Last FS post about bags for a bit from me...

Reminder that I'm offering a pre-order discount for orders placed by 
tomorrow, September 15.
Offering a 20% discount on standard bags/leather goods, pre-ordered, 
delivery in October and November.
Bags for that are:
Wald Basket Bag 
Saddle Wedge 

Mini Rando Bag 
Rando Bag 

Saddlebag 
Porteur Bag 
Bar Bag 

Leather Goods are:
Twin Pines Wallet 
North Branch Notebook Wallet 

South Fork Notebook 


I also have some ready-made bags & leather goods that I'm offering a sale 
on right now. These items will be mailed out immediately.
Sale is:
1 item - take $5 off total price
2 items - take $12 off total price
3 items - take $20 off total price 
Shipping is a flat $7 per order shipped USPS Priority mail.
These items are:
Zippered Basket Bag - Ranger Tan Waxed Canvas - $70 

Zippered Basket Bag - Half Black, Half Tan - $65 

Basket Bag - open top design - $40 

Saddle Wedge - maroon - $60 

Saddle Wedge - tan canvas/nylon fabric prototype - $30 

South Fork Notebook Prototype - $55 

North Branch Notebook Wallet Prototype - $35 


Contact me offlist to get the sale prices for ready-made items or the 
discount for pre-ordered items.
I will send a Paypal invoice, so please include an email address for Paypal.
Feel free to ask any questions or suggest catchy names for bags.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> You are loved on this forum. Everyone loves your posts. I love your posts. 
> Don't go. Please!  Whatever or whoever caused this decision, is bad, Mkay? 
>   
>
 

> Those who might not like your posts, can go sit on a barbed wire wrapped 
> baseball bat. (I doubt there are any). 
>

Peace out, stay happy! 

>  
>
Clayton Bailey 

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Howard Hatten]

Cool dude. I'll miss your posts. 

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Re: FS: Big Guy Stuff: Wool Cardigan, Windbreaker Jacket, Wool Sweatshirt, LS Tee,and 1/4 Zip

[Zack]

More stuff gone, more dropping prices :-)

Ibex Scout Jura Hoodie size XXL, worn a handful of times, black, this one 
http://shop.ibex.com/merino-wool-clothing/mens-long-sleeve-shirts/m-scout-jura-hoody
 *$84*
Ibex 4th Street Boucle Cardigan, XL, worn a handful of times, greenish 
bluish, this one: 
http://image.rakuten.co.jp/rococostore/cabinet/outer3/9476_fz.jpg* $74*
Nau Lightbeam jacket, XL, orange, worn a bit. *$39*

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Screwed up the last FS thread pretty good, haha. Starting anew.
>
> Ibex Scout Jura Hoodie size XXL, worn a handful of times, black, this one 
> http://shop.ibex.com/merino-wool-clothing/mens-long-sleeve-shirts/m-scout-jura-hoody
>  *$95*
> Ibex 4th Street Boucle Cardigan, XL, worn a handful of times, greenish 
> bluish, this one: 
> http://image.rakuten.co.jp/rococostore/cabinet/outer3/9476_fz.jpg* $85*
> Patagonia 1/4 zip black merino long sleeve, size XL, worn a handful of 
> times,* $40*
> Ibex Orange Long Sleeve Merino XL, worn a bit, *$40*
> Nau Lightbeam jacket, XL, orange, worn a bit. *$50*
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Shoji Takahashi]

Patrick,
I will miss reading your posts, adventures, and insights. I hope our paths 
will cross again. 

Best wishes, 
Shoji



On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[René Sterental]

Patrick,

Thank you for your inspiration and counsel. I will miss your regular posts
and adventures reminding me of what to aim for. You enriched my life in
many ways, even if I've been slow to heed your counsel. But it's there as a
beacon. Don't doubt it.

I hope you stay. I hope to be able to visit you one day.

René

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, Matt B.  wrote:

> yeah what they said!  different direction or not, if you're riding, keep
> posting!
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this
>> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and
>> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God
>> startle you with joy!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44

[Garth]

  Could someone please measure the aspect height of the tire ?  The easiest 
way I found is to look up your rim height from the mfr. and then with some 
calipers measure both the rim and tire as one, as if you were going to 
measure it between your thumb and index finger. Subtract that from the rim 
height. 

Thank Yuh ! 

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Matt B.]

yeah what they said!  different direction or not, if you're riding, keep 
posting!
  

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[islaysteve]

Patrick, I too have greatly enjoyed your insights, stories, point of view, 
positive attitude and photos.  I wish you all the best in your new 
direction and hope that you will visit us again and share your thoughts and 
journey.  Cheers,
Steve


On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Matt B.]

In the summer my favorite is the breeze. In colder months, a knit cap 
usually.

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[Takashi]

Thank you Patrick, your posts and pictures have always inspired me very 
much.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[ascpgh]

I hope all goes well for you Patrick. It would be an understatement to say 
how much enjoyment your posts have brought. Insight and experience from all 
corners. This has been much more than a one way encounter. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

 

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:04:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’m going to be riding off a different direction. Thank you all on this 
> group — you have helped me tremendously as I’ve dived into wrenching and 
> fine tuning the my rides. I am grateful for all you’ve given me. May God 
> startle you with joy!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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