Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/27/2016 11:27 PM, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
n my mind, some strong, rectangular magnetic strips on the bar, either 
side of the stem, would be less noticeable sans bag. The bag would 
have rectangular receivers, as well as traditional bar straps. There 
are a number of engineering design approaches. It's having the tools 
to make them that is rub - or pay a machinist shop to make them!


Wouldn't those strong magnetic strips mess with the contents of the bag?


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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Kevin Lindsey]

For what it's worth, I just removed a Klickfix system from my Hunqapillar.  
I found that it caused the bag to sit so high relative to the center of 
mass that it made the Hunq unstable; I couldn't even ride it hands-off 
which, considering how stable the Hunq normally is, says a lot.  I got in 
touch with the good folks at Carradice to see if there was a solution to 
this issue, but the only help they could offer was a refund for the bag.
Kevin

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 11:27:32 PM UTC-5, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Alex Cycle in Japan has a number of Ostrich bags that fit the F15. The US 
> has a very favorable exchange rate with the Yen these days. 
>
> I'm still debating whether the F15 or the Klickfix mount such as Swift 
> uses. Either way, I'm reluctant to need a rack for a front bag as I would 
> like to move the bag from bike to bike quickly, sans tools. With a Klickfix 
> one could have base mounts on several bikes, but I don't care for the 
> visual of a mount in bars when I'm not using the bag. 
>
> In my mind, some strong, rectangular magnetic strips on the bar, either 
> side of the stem, would be less noticeable sans bag. The bag would have 
> rectangular receivers, as well as traditional bar straps. There are a 
> number of engineering design approaches. It's having the tools to make them 
> that is rub - or pay a machinist shop to make them! 
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I believe Ostrich makes two rando-style bags, 8-liter and 12-liter, that 
>> will hang from this rack.  
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 10:34:36 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems to me it'd better to plug the bag, not the rack, since so few 
>>> bags are made to go with it. Seems very specialized, whereas most other 
>>> front racks will fit most other front bags. That being said, it looks like 
>>> a cool system (barsack + f15). I've seen the barsack in person and it's 
>>> much nicer than it seems from the website (which I've never even noticed it 
>>> on). There's some very well thought out features on the bags, including the 
>>> magnets which are genius.


>>> Does extra weight on the handlebars affect steering more than if it sits 
>>> lower on like a mark's rack?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Riv Bullmoose Bars

[johnb]

Why yes I do :-)

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[RBW] Re: A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Kieran J]

Looks fairly similar to the Klickfix system that Swift uses for their 
Paloma bag:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/sets/72157643588376734/

Maybe there's some compatibility there, not sure.

KJ


On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 4:01:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Nitto makes a front rack called the F-15.  It clamps to the 26.0mm part of 
> your drop bars and it's a u shaped support around the perimeter of a 
> handlebar bag.  Rivendell stocks that rack and has 13 of them in stock as 
> of 9/22/16.  Various bag makers offer a bag to fit that rack.  There is a 
> Sackville model that Riv also has in stock, but they only have two of the 
> bags.  
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm?CartID=6
>
> My plug is for the rack itself.  It's astonishingly nice.  It looks like 
> it should be super floppy but it's surprisingly solid for a typical 
> handlebar bag application.  If you own, or ever think you might own a 
> typical 'road bike', that doesn't have much in the way of attachment points 
> for a normal front rack, the old F-15 is a fantastic option.  I'm running 
> mine on a Black Mountain Cycles road bike.  Not only is it way lighter and 
> way less expensive than a traditional rack + decaleur setup, but it puts 
> the handlebar bag in exactly the same place relative to the handlebars no 
> matter which bike I put it on.  
>
> In my opinion, anybody in the habit of setting up various bikes with 
> various bags should have an F-15 laying around, hence the plug.  Riv has 13 
> of the racks but only 2 of the bags to fit it.  Riv is selling the rack for 
> $78.  The other two online US vendors that have the F-15 rack in stock are 
> asking $95 and $120 for it.  Now's a good time to buy an F-15 rack, (it's 
> like picking up free money at $78) and treat yourself to a bag to fit it 
> when one comes up for sale, or have Ruthworks make you a custom to match 
> your bike.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Fall Ride

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Scott,
Great photos.
Nice looking bike.
We have enjoyed a wonderful fall with lots of riding. Reality is setting in 
this week. It will be dipping into the low 30s for highs this week.
 We have yet to have any measurable snow along the front range .I need to 
get the snowshoes dusted off.The Rockies are getting much needed snow now. 
The ski slopes opened late this year due to those warm fall temps
As you know when the temps are in the 40s with plenty of sun and little 
wind it's great weather for going for a ride.
Thanks for sharing your pictures.
Jon


>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv Bullmoose Bars

[Brian Campbell]

Yes. 150mm reach, uncut and powder coated gray.




On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:20:14 AM UTC-5, johnb wrote:
>
> Why yes I do :-)

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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/28/2016 09:07 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
For what it's worth, I just removed a Klickfix system from my 
Hunqapillar.  I found that it caused the bag to sit so high relative 
to the center of mass that it made the Hunq unstable; I couldn't even 
ride it hands-off which, considering how stable the Hunq normally is, 
says a lot.  I got in touch with the good folks at Carradice to see if 
there was a solution to this issue, but the only help they could offer 
was a refund for the bag.


A rack that sits down low to support the bag from the bottom and a 
decaleur to support it at the top would be a solution to this problem.  
I used such an arrangement with my Saluki using the largest size 
Berthoud bag and it worked fine.   Klickfix does have advantages when it 
comes to quick on & off, but as you say, it makes the bag sit very high 
indeed.


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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Ron Mc]

Hi Bill, I've outfitted several bikes from Alex cycles, and have a great 
Ostrich saddle bag on my Viner.  Any time the JY is more than 100 to the $ 
shopping in Japan is good.  (I think most of the stuff I bought it pushing 
JY120 to the $).  I actually ordered an Ostrich F516, then over the same 
weekend asked Alex to cancel my order - they're really good folks there. 
 Ely made just what I wanted, and I like the way the top of his bag sits 
3-4" lower than the Ostrich.  The stiffness of Ely's internal U-box also 
solved the headlight problem I was shooting for.  

As far as the weight question, the higher the trail, the more the bike 
handling is affected by front weight.  My Moser is Not a front-load bike, 
but I carry my roadside in the saddle wedge, and all I'm using a front bag 
for is winter layers.  Our winter temps can swing 40 degrees - 40 to 80 on 
a clear day.  

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 10:27:32 PM UTC-6, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Alex Cycle in Japan has a number of Ostrich bags that fit the F15. The US 
> has a very favorable exchange rate with the Yen these days. 
> ...
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I believe Ostrich makes two rando-style bags, 8-liter and 12-liter, that 
>> will hang from this rack.  
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 10:34:36 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> ...


>>> Does extra weight on the handlebars affect steering more than if it sits 
>>> lower on like a mark's rack?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS- Bosco Bars, Carbonomas fork

[Palmer]

Hi all,
More organizing means more to sell.
Steel Rivendell Bosco Bars, not perfect, but close. $40 + shipping from 49441
Carbonomas fork, 280mm steerer, some reflective tape. $40 + shipping from 49441
I can send pictures later today.
Paypal F+F please.
Contact directly- volvotom1964 at gmail dot com 
Thanks!
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Les Lammers]

I agree with the others. Unless you will be off road a often or plan to 
carry a lot of weight the Sam will likely suit you better. From the JA 
description:* Our Joe Appaloosa is half-Sam Hillborne, half-Hunqapillar 
that’s bullseyed for loaded road touring. *It also has longer chainstays 
than the Sam and likely heavier tubing. Whichever you choose it will 
probably not be your last Riv. I bought a Bleriot, very similar to a Sam 
but 41mm or so is the max tire size, 9 years ago and recently got a 
Chevoit. They ride differently and are keepers.

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:40:05 PM UTC-5, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
> could possibly better.   
>
> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
> pleasant.  
>
> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>
> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
> wheels that small.  
>
> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>
> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
> market?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: An un-obstructive front handle bar bag for boscos?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The $30-or-so Wald basket with support struts might not mesh in with one's 
sense of asthetics, but as a cheap fantastic way to carry a decent front 
load, it is hard to beat. Strapping a standalone basked (Wald MED) onto a 
suitable standalone rack, then or not adding a Shopsack MED with or without 
the net is also hard to beat. 
We are developing another new one or two front racks specifically for a MED 
WALD basket. They'll be versatile platforms for other loads too, but ideal 
for the MEDWALD, but they'll be a while.
For BOSCO bars (or CHOCO), it's seriously difficult to fault the function 
of the $30 Wald strutted basket. 

On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 9:35:04 AM UTC-8, anniebikes wrote:
>
> I own a Clementine and after going on my first tour, I am looking for a 
> front handle bar bag that doesn't obstruct my grip in the forward 
> alternative hand position. I don't have a front rack (illusive search 
> because of my prerequisites - another discussion). I tried to make two 
> different hook and loop bags work, attaching each in various positions, but 
> the experiment didn't work out well - each bag swung, got in the way of my 
> hands, or rubbed against the paint on the head tube. I am coming up short 
> with Internet searches. The boscos bars seem to be a different animal! 
>
> I have a solution, however I wanted to ask the group if there is such a 
> handle bar bag available that might suit my needs, something's that easy to 
> detach but doesn't require a front rack. I am ready to sew and retrofit a 
> slim "tech" style bag that I picked up at Staples, which seems adequate for 
> holding passport, camera, phone, etc. I would mount it vertically beside 
> the stem which should allow ample hand space. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Long bikes

[Tim Gavin]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How long are the top tubes on the old Schwinns? I looked up the old
> Bridgestone catalogs and the MBs maxed out at about 59.5cm in the biggest
> size. I had a mid to kat 80s Schwinn Sierra and it wasn't any longer.
>
>
My '88 Schwinn KOM MTB is the largest size (22"/56 cm seat tube), which has
a 24"/61 cm top tube.  I used drop bars on a dirt drop 8 stem for a while,
but the handling was still a little squirrely in front.

I've since converted it back to upright bars.  Now I'm using Jones cut Loop
590 bars on an 80 mm stem, and the bike handles great.

So, an XL MTB frame may have a long enough top tube for you.

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Philip Kim]

I would lean towards the Sam and put Paul Racer brakes on it. Sam is still 
plenty stout for your intended uses you described. It's pretty versatile to 
be run with drop bars w/ short stem, or upright bars with a long stem.

for a joe, I would go with a 51 instead of a 46. my pbh is 78cm and the 51 
fits great.

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:40:05 PM UTC-5, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
> could possibly better.   
>
> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
> pleasant.  
>
> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>
> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
> wheels that small.  
>
> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>
> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
> market?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Thomson Elite Silver Post - 330mm x 27.2mm - zero offset

[stoker]

Sold!

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[RBW] Re: Anyone seen that Rosco Bunbaloosa in person?

[Charlie R]

Anybody know what the tire size is?  I'm hoping it's a 26 inch Hunqapillar 
fork..

I sent an email maybe 10 days ago but haven't heard back.  In the past, I 
always emailed Kevin (5 bike purchases including 3 mixtes).  I miss 
him..

Charlie

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 11:44:58 AM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> Between this group and Instagram im satiated with social media but I 
> happened upon the rosco bubbaloosa pic on rivs Facebook page and have shown 
> it to the wife for HER consuderation.  Anyone know anything about it?  TIA.
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have experience with either bike but I've spent several years 
trying to figure out what I want in a bike and 26" wheels will offer many 
more choices in tires than 650B, especially in the area of really fat 
street tires.   That may not be a deciding factor for you but it's 
something to consider.  



On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-6, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
> could possibly better.   
>
> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
> pleasant.  
>
> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>
> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
> wheels that small.  
>
> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>
> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
> market?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone seen that Rosco Bunbaloosa in person?

[Bill Lindsay]

Charlie R,

Who did you email?  If it were me I would call them. If I didn't want to call 
them I would probably use Brian first for all the emails I used to send Keven. 
For that particular bike I happen to know that Will had a hand in the design, 
so emailing Will with a couple compliments ought to get a promptish response. 
CC Roman just in case Will is out. If that's all too confusing pick up the 
phone. 😀

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[RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[LeahFoy]

Does anyone have these: 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921

I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new pair and 
thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty contests, but if 
they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the business. There are 
no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love these? 

Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: Nitto M12 Front Rack (2 of 'em), Orc square platform rack - $50 each plus shipping

[David Banzer]

Selling a few racks.
Paypal Personal payment on these please. 
Contact off-list if possible.
Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

1. Nitto M12 Front Rack - lightly used, threaded M6 eyelets for light 
mounts on both sides, includes double-sided canti-bolts - $50 plus shipping

2. Orc Square Platform Rack - sorta like a mini porteur rack, made in 
Portland, rack platform fits a Wald 137 basket nicely, giving more support 
to the bottom of the basket, fits on Riv standard mid/upper eyelets, I 
removed the tombstone to center a Wald basket better and had plans to use 
this as a rear rack for a saddlebag support on a Schwinn Voyageur frame 
which broke a while back - I no longer have canti bikes that have a 
horizontally drilled brake bridge - this one's unpainted - single eyelet 
for a light mount, Wald basket not included - $50 plus shipping - not too 
great photo here - 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJv-HOIDJ4t/?taken-by=treetopdesigns  & here on 
the Clem, second from the right - 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMkCjSCj9sm/?taken-by=treetopdesigns

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

Riv states clearly that those goat gloves are work gloves.  Is that what 
you need, work gloves?  If so, I agree with you that it's nice to give Riv 
the business, and I like that they are MUSA.  If I needed a pair of 
wood-stacking, axe swinging gloves, I would definitely give them a shot.  I 
would not use those gloves for cycling, as I would not use any of my 
current work gloves for cycling.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:37:58 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Does anyone have these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>
> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new pair 
> and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty contests, 
> but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the business. 
> There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love these? 
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Leah Peterson]

Well, no. I want them for riding. I initially read the “good grip” part of the 
description as good grip for riding - probably because it’s what I’m looking 
for. After your response I re-read it and laughed out loud. I think you are 
right. 
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Riv states clearly that those goat gloves are work gloves.  Is that what you 
> need, work gloves?  If so, I agree with you that it's nice to give Riv the 
> business, and I like that they are MUSA.  If I needed a pair of 
> wood-stacking, axe swinging gloves, I would definitely give them a shot.  I 
> would not use those gloves for cycling, as I would not use any of my current 
> work gloves for cycling.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:37:58 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
> Does anyone have these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921 
> 
> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new pair 
> and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty contests, 
> but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the business. 
> There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love these?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Sam felt like a Honda Civic while Joe felt like Accord.  This is how I can 
best describe the difference.

I'm planning to go back and ride them for an hour back to back.

If Sam were available esp in sage, that would have been sufficient to 
ignore finer details of the difference :)


On Sunday, 27 November 2016 16:13:57 UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> I vote for Sam. It's a tad lighter, so its ride is apt to be a bit more 
> spritely. And it's still stout enough for camping and for on-pavement 
> touring. 
>
> By the way: When you say the Joe A. was "quite different," could you 
> describe the difference?
>

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

John, What handlebar do you use for your mixed use?



On Sunday, 27 November 2016 18:25:10 UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I would lean toward the Sam only because you sound like you're planning 
> mostly road riding and only some trails.  I agree with Evan's assessment 
> that the Sam is a little more spritely due to the shorter wheelbase and 
> slightly lighter tubing (I think).  I've got a 56 canti-Sam (in the older, 
> brighter, metallic orange) and I ride it on my daily mixed terrain commute 
> loaded with all my books, teaching and office supplies and it handles it 
> like a champ.  On the weekends, I lose the load and put on a lighter 
> wheelset for road rides so I can enjoy that spritely feel.  I've also 
> ridden mountain trails with a set of 45cm Smart Sams (no fenders) which is 
> also fun.  I've only had one short Appaloosa test ride in the rain and it 
> did feel fantastic.  Smooth, stable and, dare I say, graceful.  I thought I 
> might want to buy the Joe and sell the Sam with the intent of riding more 
> trails with the capacity for fatter tires.  Decided to keep the Sam since I 
> ride roads a little more often than trails.  
>
> Good decision to have.  I'm confident you'll be thrilled with either since 
> you can't go wrong either way.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 2:40:05 PM UTC-8, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
>> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
>> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
>> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
>> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
>> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
>> could possibly better.   
>>
>> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
>> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
>> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
>> pleasant.  
>>
>> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>>
>> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
>> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
>> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
>> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
>> wheels that small.  
>>
>> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
>> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
>> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
>> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>>
>> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
>> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
>> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
>> market?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[LeahFoy]

I vote for Joe Appaloosa because I like the name. You're welcome. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

[Ryan Fleming]

I hear you about accidents in traffic

I've never enjoyed riding in heavy traffic at the best of times ...but next 
spring (since I don't ride in winter...prefer walking) I'm going to be even 
more attentive...not that I wasn't when I had my accident

On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> MTB single track and some double. Not terribly technical, but steep climbs 
> are the norm.  I've started doing a bunch of gravel riding too and have 
> been shying away from riding in traffic. Too many incidents and a few 
> deaths have me rethinking it.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[islaysteve]

Leah, I've lately been trying some cold (or cool) weather riding and what I've 
found to be surprisingly nice and versatile are my dress leather gloves, left 
over fom when I actually went to work.  They are soft leather, lined with 
cashmere.  From Bloomindales.  (I know, but they were on sale after the 
holidays.). Anyway, they are good at least down to 40 degrees, and probably 
lower.  They are not tight, and I think the extra airspace helps insulate.  
Leather blocks the wind.  Perhaps you already have something similar around.  
Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: map/ahearne-nitto-Paul-shimano cockpit

[Bruce Baker]

Drew,
Would this fit on a Sam Hillborne without shims??  Also what is the length
of the dtem..
Thanks,
Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Daniel Jackson]

Leah,

I think they are less than ideal for riding - they have NO padding. Some 
folks like that, but I'm in the a little padding is good camp. Also, and I 
may be more sensitive to this than others because I'm a large animal 
veterinarian - they smell like buck. Yep, like intact male goat urine. I 
can only assume they are made out of male goat leather...

Best,
D.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:37:58 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Does anyone have these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>
> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new pair 
> and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty contests, 
> but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the business. 
> There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love these? 
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 2015 Salsa Fargo large (20")

[Bruce Smitham]

The Salsa Fargo is sold.

On Thursday, November 17, 2016 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale is my 2015 Salsa Fargo large (20") green machine. I've got it 
> listed local on San Diego craigslist here: 
> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/5880772433.html
> in case anyone is interested. $900 but I'll take $100 off for list members 
> for a total of $800 local pick up or I'll ship it if you pay for it via 
> bikeflights CONUS. Rides great but I have a Surly ECR so overlap exists and 
> one of them has to go- bye bye Fargo.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego (310) 968-6910
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[RBW] Re: Anyone seen that Rosco Bunbaloosa in person?

[Edwin W]

Cool bike! A Tough-ee Mixt-e.

What is the thinking on the horizontal rear dropouts? I forgot. I know Riv 
in general is not into (haha) internal gear hubs... a single speed?

Edwin

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:54:51 PM UTC-6, Brencho wrote:
>
> yeah i rode it last week. pretty sweet bike! 650b wheels with good 
> clearance. here's a picture, or it didn't happen:
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:00:31 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Charlie R, 
>>
>> Who did you email?  If it were me I would call them. If I didn't want to 
>> call them I would probably use Brian first for all the emails I used to 
>> send Keven. For that particular bike I happen to know that Will had a hand 
>> in the design, so emailing Will with a couple compliments ought to get a 
>> promptish response. CC Roman just in case Will is out. If that's all too 
>> confusing pick up the phone. 😀
>
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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Edwin W]

I think it is all about tire clearance. Want more? Joe Appaloosa. Ok with 
40mm (give or take, fenders or not), Sam could be your bike.

And of course color preference - you gotta have a color bike you like!

First Sam, now Appaloosa riding,

Edwin

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-6, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
> could possibly better.   
>
> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
> pleasant.  
>
> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>
> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
> wheels that small.  
>
> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>
> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
> market?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Deacon Patrick]

I wear a pair of goat gloves in mildish winter weather, with wool gloves 
underneath (temp range is small 35-50˚F) and they last a very long time. 
I've abused the daylights out of mine for years. Since I don't use padding 
anyway, I find no padding a huge plus. I would guess that for your desert 
winters, a pair of these with an optional wool underglove would be a 
perfect system, but fashion is not my thing so I'll leave that to others. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 10:37:58 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Does anyone have these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>
> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new pair 
> and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty contests, 
> but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the business. 
> There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love these? 
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Minh]

So i've really struggled with a case of the Novembers (longingly eyeing all 
the bikes for sale, Bill's Appaloosa, that Ebisu, that Crust, that 
Rambler) and successfully dodged most of them until a Brompton popped 
up.  I was reminded of my visit a few weeks ago to a Brompton dealer (just 
as i was walking by one...) and i was hooked.  I think Brompton should do a 
kick back program for owners because we attracted a crowd when i went to 
pick it up and the seller was showing me the fold-unfold-fold.  I have to 
admit that there is something fun about riding these bikes, the steering is 
a handful until you get used to it, and some of the components are 
laughingly cheap/crude but it's a fun ride.  

I think there are some cross-owners of RBW and Brompton, does anyone have a 
link to an owners group?  I've seen the bromptontalk group on yahoo (too 
much noise), but looking for a group more similar to RBW.  What i'm hoping 
to find is feedback/experiences on changes, with so much folding i'm 
worried about making changes that will then affect the folding mechanism. 
 I'm thinking of swapping in new grips, levers, maybe a saddle but wanted 
feedback before i started ordering things.

Thanks for any pointers, I need to go and practice my folding technique, 
i'm way slower than the videos online!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Goat Gloves

[lum gim fong]

If you don't want cycling padding in a glove I don't think it matters which 
glove you ride on  as long as one that you think looks nice and blocks the 
winter wind enough for you.

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Eric Norris]

Minh:

I’m a Brompton owner, and I’ll be happy to help. But your first call should be 
to Clever Cycles in Portland OR, which is a huge Brompton dealer (I bought mine 
from them). They worked with me to make a few changes to a stock bicycle, and 
I’m sure they will be able to tell you if your plans will work. 

I had them add a dyno hub and a headlight/taillight to mine, none of which 
interferes with the fold. They even used the stock front rim and spokes to 
build a wheel on a new dyno hub as a way to save money.

Subsequent to buying the bike, I added a pair of Cane Creek bar-ends (I got the 
flat “S” bars). They make the bike much more comfortable to ride (more hand 
positions) and also don’t interfere with the fold.

P.S. Call the components “crude,” but at Brompton prices they’re certainly not 
cheap! 

P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. You’ll 
like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride than a 
standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far is about 60 
miles.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Minh  wrote:
> 
> So i've really struggled with a case of the Novembers (longingly eyeing all 
> the bikes for sale, Bill's Appaloosa, that Ebisu, that Crust, that 
> Rambler) and successfully dodged most of them until a Brompton popped up. 
>  I was reminded of my visit a few weeks ago to a Brompton dealer (just as i 
> was walking by one...) and i was hooked.  I think Brompton should do a kick 
> back program for owners because we attracted a crowd when i went to pick it 
> up and the seller was showing me the fold-unfold-fold.  I have to admit that 
> there is something fun about riding these bikes, the steering is a handful 
> until you get used to it, and some of the components are laughingly 
> cheap/crude but it's a fun ride.  
> 
> I think there are some cross-owners of RBW and Brompton, does anyone have a 
> link to an owners group?  I've seen the bromptontalk group on yahoo (too much 
> noise), but looking for a group more similar to RBW.  What i'm hoping to find 
> is feedback/experiences on changes, with so much folding i'm worried about 
> making changes that will then affect the folding mechanism.  I'm thinking of 
> swapping in new grips, levers, maybe a saddle but wanted feedback before i 
> started ordering things.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers, I need to go and practice my folding technique, i'm 
> way slower than the videos online!
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Garth]

 Goat leather is real nice, soft and supple, absolutely perfect for 
riding.  Sitting upright and having grips of some sort on the bars no one 
needs padded gloves anyways. Take the "work" thingy with a grain of salt, 
or sugar  whatever. It dries soft and offers good dexterity .  While I 
don't know those gloves in particular I'm sure they are good, the only 
question is your size.  However, you can likely find such gloves in a local 
hardwear store, garden center or home improvement store. One "warning" , 
once you try them on you'll likely want to buy them ! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: map/ahearne-nitto-Paul-shimano cockpit

[drew]

hey bruce, 
i dont know what you mean by shims. i had this on a hillborne and it was 
great. i just moved back to drops.  stem is either 10 or 11 cm. 

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 1:57:39 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> Have a lightly used cockpit. Map ahearne bars in the wider size, nitto 
> tallux stem, silver Paul thumbies with shimano shifters, shimano mtb levers 
> and nitto bar end plugs. All in good-newish condition. Some minor insertion 
> marks on the stem. Newbaums wrapped and shellacked. 
>
> I'd like to sell it all together. Estimating retail to be around 250$, so 
> I'm Thinking 175$ shipped. 
>
> Pics to come
>
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[RBW] BLUG?

[LBleriot]

Okay, I'm not seeing the BLUG link on Riv's new website.  What am I missing?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Shoji Takahashi]

I like my MUSA Mitts-- unfortunately [currently] "Sold Out". 

They work great as a wind break and can be worn over gloves for extra 
insulation. Easy on/off when you need to use your fingers. I like the cord 
to fasten 'em to my wrists.

shoji




On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:37:58 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Does anyone have these: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>
> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new pair 
> and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty contests, 
> but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the business. 
> There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love these? 
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Will]

I've been riding with leather work gloves for years. If you ever have to 
put the bike down, it is really nice to have significant hand protection 
(been there). The ones in your link from Riv look nice. 

You can get similar at any hardware store as well.  
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:34:06 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Well, no. I want them for riding. I initially read the “good grip” part of 
> the description as good grip for riding - probably because it’s what I’m 
> looking for. After your response I re-read it and laughed out loud. I think 
> you are right. 
>
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
> Riv states clearly that those goat gloves are work gloves.  Is that what 
> you need, work gloves?  If so, I agree with you that it's nice to give Riv 
> the business, and I like that they are MUSA.  If I needed a pair of 
> wood-stacking, axe swinging gloves, I would definitely give them a shot.  I 
> would not use those gloves for cycling, as I would not use any of my 
> current work gloves for cycling.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:37:58 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have these: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>>
>> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new 
>> pair and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty 
>> contests, but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the 
>> business. There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love 
>> these? 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: BLUG?

[Bill Lindsay]

I see a "Blog" link on the upper right of the rivbike.com site, which links 
me to the BLUG.  


On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:48:44 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
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> Okay, I'm not seeing the BLUG link on Riv's new website.  What am I 
> missing?
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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:18:34 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. 
> You’ll like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride 
> than a standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far 
> is about 60 miles.
>

I don't think I've ever done more than about 10 miles on either of the 
Bromptons I've owned. While I love the bikes for train commuting, I really 
have never adjusted to the way they handle. Can't imagine ever doing 60 
miles on one - I'm exhausted just thinking about it. You are made of 
sterner stuff!

If the Brompton parts are too "cheap" there's always the fancy aftermarket 
bits that SJS Cycles sell. I had a few of their upgraded bits on my first 
Brompton (which was stolen). I haven't bothered to upgrade my new Brompton, 
and to be honest I don't really miss any of the fancy bits. Your dynamo 
headlight idea is of course a good one - all bikes should have dynamo 
headlights, right?

/Jeremy 

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[RBW] Re: BLUG?

[Joe Bernard]

On my phone it's in the upper left menu now. Yesterday it was a subhead under 
Reading, but now it's Blog. 

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Joe Bernard]

Absolutely. I'm a sucker for good paint and graphics, and Joe Blue has it all. 
The little horseshoes on the downtube practically sold me the bike before I'd 
even ridden it ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

I would not pretend not to be related.  That mom looks like a badass, and 
every 10 and 8 year old is empowered when their mom is a badass.  Hell, I'm 
47 and I still feel my mom is a badass, and that feeling continues to serve 
me well.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:30:55 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> You guys are great. A number of you (me, too!) included fashion as being a 
> consideration. Now, see below and tell me, when you were 10 and 8, if your 
> mom biked to school with with you wearing this hat and those gloves while 
> swigging homemade chicken stock would you pretend not to be related? 😂
> [image: image1.JPG]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Will > 
> wrote:
>
> I've been riding with leather work gloves for years. If you ever have to 
> put the bike down, it is really nice to have significant hand protection 
> (been there). The ones in your link from Riv look nice. 
>
> You can get similar at any hardware store as well.  
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:34:06 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Well, no. I want them for riding. I initially read the “good grip” part 
>> of the description as good grip for riding - probably because it’s what I’m 
>> looking for. After your response I re-read it and laughed out loud. I think 
>> you are right. 
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Riv states clearly that those goat gloves are work gloves.  Is that what 
>> you need, work gloves?  If so, I agree with you that it's nice to give Riv 
>> the business, and I like that they are MUSA.  If I needed a pair of 
>> wood-stacking, axe swinging gloves, I would definitely give them a shot.  I 
>> would not use those gloves for cycling, as I would not use any of my 
>> current work gloves for cycling.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:37:58 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have these: 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>>>
>>> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new 
>>> pair and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty 
>>> contests, but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the 
>>> business. There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love 
>>> these? 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nice Fall Ride

[RichS]

Gorgeous AHH and landscape. Two thumbs up for your basket and net. Looks 
right at home on the Hilsen and reinforces Grant's comment on another of 
today's posts about the versatility of a basket. Thank you for the pics.

Regards,
Richard

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 4:43:18 PM UTC-5, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> You guys inspired me to go for a ride over the Thanksgiving Day break.  I 
> was also inspired by the nasty weather we are expected to get this next 
> week in the Rocky's.  It was a classic un-racer ride for the pleasure of 
> riding, going 25 miles at 12 miles per hour.  Wearing my blue jeans and 
> flannel shirt in between 45 and 50 degrees F.   It was a wonderful way to 
> enjoy the last bit of nice weather before old man winter makes it a bit 
> more of a challenge.
>
> I recently built up a dyno front wheel and installed lights on my Homer. 
>  This was my first trip beyond commuting with this set up.  I didn't really 
> notice any drag.
>
> Here are some pictures:
> https://flic.kr/p/Nqnm3e
> https://flic.kr/p/PAxtJb
> https://flic.kr/p/P6fW1S
>
> More musings..
> As I get older, I more appreciate the natural cycles of summer and winter. 
>  It is so much of what makes life interesting and helps remind us of how 
> wonderful the world is when the spring returns and the world blooms 
> renewed.  Winter is a time for rest and reading and learning.  That is why 
> I am a little anti fat bike.  Take the winter and do something else, 
> something different.  Go skiing, or snowshoeing.  Learn to play the guitar. 
>  Then when spring returns, you can return to the bike with a passion 
> renewed.
>
> Scott
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[RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, I've been using these "gardening gloves" from Riv for many years. 
Granted, I live in California where 50 degrees is considered cold weather, so I 
can't vouch for them on rides below the 42 degrees Riv claim to be their limit. 
They fit kinda big/loose if you have small hands like me, and start out kinda 
stiff 'til you work them in. They're fine for sorta-clumsily pushing thumbies 
or bar-ends, maybe not so good with Rapid Fire or brifters (which I know you 
don't use).

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/dotty-wool-gloves-pair

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[islaysteve]

Awesome!

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:30:55 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> You guys are great. A number of you (me, too!) included fashion as being a 
> consideration. Now, see below and tell me, when you were 10 and 8, if your 
> mom biked to school with with you wearing this hat and those gloves while 
> swigging homemade chicken stock would you pretend not to be related? 😂
> [image: image1.JPG]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Will > 
> wrote:
>
> I've been riding with leather work gloves for years. If you ever have to 
> put the bike down, it is really nice to have significant hand protection 
> (been there). The ones in your link from Riv look nice. 
>
> You can get similar at any hardware store as well.  
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:34:06 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Well, no. I want them for riding. I initially read the “good grip” part 
>> of the description as good grip for riding - probably because it’s what I’m 
>> looking for. After your response I re-read it and laughed out loud. I think 
>> you are right. 
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Riv states clearly that those goat gloves are work gloves.  Is that what 
>> you need, work gloves?  If so, I agree with you that it's nice to give Riv 
>> the business, and I like that they are MUSA.  If I needed a pair of 
>> wood-stacking, axe swinging gloves, I would definitely give them a shot.  I 
>> would not use those gloves for cycling, as I would not use any of my 
>> current work gloves for cycling.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:37:58 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have these: 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>>>
>>> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new 
>>> pair and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty 
>>> contests, but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the 
>>> business. There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love 
>>> these? 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone seen that Rosco Bunbaloosa in person?

[Bill Lindsay]

Horizontal dropouts do give a bike somewhat more flexibility for different 
kinds of builds.  I prefer vertical dropouts, but as horizontals go, those 
certainly are cool.  

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:36:38 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Cool bike! A Tough-ee Mixt-e.
>
> What is the thinking on the horizontal rear dropouts? I forgot. I know Riv 
> in general is not into (haha) internal gear hubs... a single speed?
>
> Edwin
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:54:51 PM UTC-6, Brencho wrote:
>>
>> yeah i rode it last week. pretty sweet bike! 650b wheels with good 
>> clearance. here's a picture, or it didn't happen:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:00:31 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Charlie R, 
>>>
>>> Who did you email?  If it were me I would call them. If I didn't want to 
>>> call them I would probably use Brian first for all the emails I used to 
>>> send Keven. For that particular bike I happen to know that Will had a hand 
>>> in the design, so emailing Will with a couple compliments ought to get a 
>>> promptish response. CC Roman just in case Will is out. If that's all too 
>>> confusing pick up the phone. 😀
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Ryan Fleming]

Nope...I'd be proud...how's the school bus going? 

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> You guys are great. A number of you (me, too!) included fashion as being a 
> consideration. Now, see below and tell me, when you were 10 and 8, if your 
> mom biked to school with with you wearing this hat and those gloves while 
> swigging homemade chicken stock would you pretend not to be related? 😂
> [image: image1.JPG]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Will > 
> wrote:
>
> I've been riding with leather work gloves for years. If you ever have to 
> put the bike down, it is really nice to have significant hand protection 
> (been there). The ones in your link from Riv look nice. 
>
> You can get similar at any hardware store as well.  
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:34:06 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Well, no. I want them for riding. I initially read the “good grip” part 
>> of the description as good grip for riding - probably because it’s what I’m 
>> looking for. After your response I re-read it and laughed out loud. I think 
>> you are right. 
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Riv states clearly that those goat gloves are work gloves.  Is that what 
>> you need, work gloves?  If so, I agree with you that it's nice to give Riv 
>> the business, and I like that they are MUSA.  If I needed a pair of 
>> wood-stacking, axe swinging gloves, I would definitely give them a shot.  I 
>> would not use those gloves for cycling, as I would not use any of my 
>> current work gloves for cycling.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:37:58 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have these: 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves?variant=23335673921
>>>
>>> I have a cheap pair of velvet gloves that are worn thin. I need a new 
>>> pair and thought I'd look at Riv first. These won't win me any beauty 
>>> contests, but if they were really wonderful, I'd just as soon give Riv the 
>>> business. There are no reviews and only one photo. Anyone have and love 
>>> these? 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Surlyprof]

Originally an Albatross but soon moved to an Albastache.  I found I was 
spending most of my time in the front curves of the Albatross.  I like the 
Albastache much better because it offers a little bit of upright position as 
well as a more aggressive position in the curves.  Feels great.  Works better 
with bar ends, too.  No knee shifting when turning.

John

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Thanks!  That helps.  I had always wondered about these two.

The Sam I test rode had Choco-NORM.  Which I liked a lot.  Albastache does 
seem more practical.I'm thinking it'd be much quicker to slide hands 
forward for urgent braking (while riding upright on Albastache) than having 
to pull back (while riding leaned forward on Choco-Norm).



On Monday, 28 November 2016 16:02:38 UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Originally an Albatross but soon moved to an Albastache.  I found I was 
> spending most of my time in the front curves of the Albatross.  I like the 
> Albastache much better because it offers a little bit of upright position 
> as well as a more aggressive position in the curves.  Feels great.  Works 
> better with bar ends, too.  No knee shifting when turning.
>
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Goat Gloves

[Ray Varella]

Leah,
   If you showed up with hot broth on a cold day, I wouldn't care if you 
were in a housecoat and slippers. 

I don't have any experience with the goat gloves but I used a similar deerskin 
glove for motorcycle gloves down to the 30s and they were fine. 

My niece used to tease me for bringing juice boxes when we went riding 
together, one day her friend went with us and my niece tried to clown me about 
the juice boxes...until her friend thought they were a great idea. 

Your kids are lucky. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bridgestone Catalogues, Barnett Repair manuals

[Anne]

Everything shipped today. Many thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I own 2 Bromptons.  One is the 2015 black edition in white.  I had a 
modified bar installed that splits the difference between an S bar and the 
M.  I recently bought a used M6L on eBay in raw lacquer.  I'm looking to 
have that retrofitted with the new 2017 M bar and shifters.  I'm looking at 
some other mods like the clamps and handles (probably calling them the 
wrong names).  I really like the ride for tooling around on.  Yes it is a 
bit twitchy in handling but I accept that in this bike.  The fold is so 
impressive I can take it anywhere in the car very easily.  I'm also 
interested if there is a Brompton owners site to visit.  I haven't found 
one on the web yet.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:12:56 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:18:34 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. 
>> You’ll like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride 
>> than a standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far 
>> is about 60 miles.
>>
>
> I don't think I've ever done more than about 10 miles on either of the 
> Bromptons I've owned. While I love the bikes for train commuting, I really 
> have never adjusted to the way they handle. Can't imagine ever doing 60 
> miles on one - I'm exhausted just thinking about it. You are made of 
> sterner stuff!
>
> If the Brompton parts are too "cheap" there's always the fancy aftermarket 
> bits that SJS Cycles sell. I had a few of their upgraded bits on my first 
> Brompton (which was stolen). I haven't bothered to upgrade my new Brompton, 
> and to be honest I don't really miss any of the fancy bits. Your dynamo 
> headlight idea is of course a good one - all bikes should have dynamo 
> headlights, right?
>
> /Jeremy 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Chain Rings, Gloves, even brake blocks

[Anne]

Specialties TA 56 BCD x20t, stainless & SR Suntour 74BCD x 24, stainless 
chain rings sold and shipped today.

*Glove bundle*, buy the seven (7) pair listed below  $75 (includes 
shipping).
Hincapie winter gloves, men's size small, think these are new w/o tags
Trico Gel gloves, two new pair, black pair with one ride, all size small 
(fit more like a men's medium). Specialized BG gloves, size med (the Trico 
fit like these), worn once. All four pair 
Lightly padded mesh back cycling gloves, size small. One pair new in 
package, one pair light use. 



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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Bob K.]

Hi Ashwath,

I've been eyeing that route with a buddy for this coming summer. It's "a route 
designed to enjoy over an extra-long weekend on a gravel/adventure bike with 
hearty 40mm tires or greater." I run 42mm tires on my Sam, and I have a pair of 
Marathon 47s that fit without issue. I wouldn't hesitate to take my Sam on that 
trip, although the few miles of single track just wouldn't be as fun as they 
would be on my Krampus.

In general, though, for your uses, either bike would be great. A Joe might 
offer a bit more versatility, and I don't think you'd be giving up much to the 
Sam for loaded road riding--perhaps a bit of nimbleness, but oh well. And 
likewise, a Sam handles well on trails. I've done more than my fair share of 
underbiking with mine, and smiles abound.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

[Bill Lindsay]

That third photo with the deep glooshy mud looks pretty gross.  YUCK!  It 
gives me the willies just thinking about what rim-brakes would sound like 
after riding through that muck.  Gross!

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-8, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
>
> Looking at the pictures on following links, I'm 'visually' concluding that 
> taking Sam on Dalton highway might be stretching its utility 
>
> http://salsacycles.com/culture/dalton_highway_dream
>
>
> http://bikehikesafari.com/2014/06/22/cycling-the-dalton-highway-to-deadhorse-prudhoe-bay-on-the-arctic-ocean/
>
> You folks agree?  
>
> When I think about guaranteed bear encounters, I feel fine skipping that 
> trip anyway ;)
>
> Here's a more likely ride I'm planning (Fall 2017)
>
> http://www.bikepacking.com/routes/green-mountain-gravel-growler/
>
> I'm 170lbs.  Is it possible to carry enough stuff for a week-long camping 
> ride on frequent gravel/occasional single track on Sam without damaging the 
> bike (also being able to safely ride it)?
>
> Attached are few pictures from the Vermont link.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 27 November 2016 14:40:05 UTC-8, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>> Visited Rivendell HQ earlier this week.  It was really hard to squeeze 
>> time for it, but I thought I owed myself a ride on a real Riv before 
>> committing to San Marcos project.  It was a lovely experience.  Had planned 
>> on spending an hour.   Ended up spending more than 4 hours ;).   I was 
>> discussing Sam H vs San M with one of the associates.  At some point Grant 
>> yelled from his office "Sam is just better".Rode 51cm Sam for an hour. 
>>  In the end my feeling was that there just can't be a single way Marcos 
>> could possibly better.   
>>
>> I should have purchased a Sam frame and left.  I was curious about the 
>> Choco-Moose bar that was on a Jeo.  To try the handlebar I took Joe for a 
>> quick ride.  What a mistake :D   Joe was quite different and felt strangely 
>> pleasant.  
>>
>> It was getting late, so I left decision pending.
>>
>> The color might also have played a role why I didn't decide on Sam then 
>> and there.  While I loved Sam, I didn't like the new Orange color.I 
>> like the blue color of Joe.  Looking at Joe's geometry though, 46cm seems 
>> to be my size (PBH 81cm) which has 26" wheel.  Aesthetically I don't prefer 
>> wheels that small.  
>>
>> Here's my planned usage for the new bike: Ride to work once a week (46 
>> miles roundtrip).  Around the town, farmers market.  Weekend overnight 
>> camping rides 4-5 times a year.   Sometime in next 5 years I'm hoping to 
>> ride on Dalton Highway for a week to 10 days.
>>
>> Thoughts on which way I should go?  
>> Will 51cm Joe (which works with 650B) be too big for me?
>> If I want a blue Sam, how frequently such frames show up on the used 
>> market?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> PS: my posts making through moderator approval has been a hit or miss. 
>>  Really hoping this one gets a pass!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Rivendell For Sale

[Gregory Baldwin]

Rivendell Custom Saluki road/touring bike, 54cm.
Shimano components
Dura ace bar end shifters
Double set brake levers
Selle An-atomica saddle.
Triple crank: 46/36/24
Nine speed cassette:11/12-32
Wheels 650B with nifty swifty tires
Rear rack
Front rack with "loafer" bag
Pedals are Shimano double sided SPD.
Cat Eye wireless cyclometer
$2400 plus shipping from SFBay Area

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[bo richardson]

i have one for train or bus trips to seattle and vancouver
the small tires wear out quicker.

i met the cutest irish aussi couple in edison this fall.
they were touring on bromptons.
full kit. they loved them, but were not going coast to coast either.
they had a facebook feed, but i dont do facebook.
i love mine but in a different way than my other bikes.

i had a moulton for a while but kept the brompton. i ordered it with a achmidt.
i got mine in vancouver because the exchange rate was good.
the exchange rate is even better now.
there is a dealein Vanco couver bc. nice folks.
if you order from the states or maybe even from there with a passport you may 
not have to pay  GST which is  real savings.

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[RBW] 40-ish mm Tires on Thinner Rims?

[Eric Karnes]

Hi all-

Wanted to get your thoughts...

I have a set of OpenPro rims on which I comfortably run 35mm tires on my 
Hilsen. I'd like to go up to the max knobbies that the bike can run (I'm 
leaning toward 40mm Clements MSOs). Have people had success running tires 
this wide on OpenPros or would it be more prudent to invest in a new set of 
rims?

Thanks!

Eric

ps. If anyone has a spare set of 40-ish mm knobbies you are looking to part 
with, lemme know!

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