Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have used Brynje brand fishnet for many (more than 20?) years. Works great 
for xc skiing. I use a short sleeve top and knicker bottoms. It's a Norwegian 
company instead of Colorado though, and the prices reflect that. 
http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en

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[RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Deacon Patrick]

Cotton would be lovely! Yes, I didn't get the bottoms from Wiggy's for that 
very reason, but if anyone finds a source of fishnet pants, especially 
cotton, please pass it along!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 5:19:05 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
> were chilly on the descent. 
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Ron Mc]

Also want to add that my history with B17 Special and B17 Champion is 
equally glum - 


- both stretched and developed bad ridges to the point that I had to lace 
them 
S. Texas summer sweat could be a factor in this, but doesn't show up in a 
Select.  

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/06/2016 08:32 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Sheesh! Do a search for fishnet underwear and you get the party girls.


guys too

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Ron Mc]

OK, but this was the first 8 miles on my first S-A - it stretched so much 
the front of the saddle actually let go of the stretch bolt - this was 
stopped at a bike shop to borrow some tools to fix it.  
This took most of the stretch bolt and finally bent a rail.  


I have 10,000 mi on a B17 Select and took just a little stretch bolt in the 
summer when I was sweating heavily.  


I'm also pushing that distance on my Rivet Indy.  
It's one of the first Debra made and developed the problem of a ridge 
behind the slot, I think because the radius of that rear hole was too 
small.  
She solved this problem by increasing the diameter of the rear slot hole - 
I think at my recommendation.  



Finally this year, I just took one of my very sharp knives and sliced the 
ridge off.  



It's working great.  This is a very cozy high-mileage saddle.  


I think for most people, B17 is the wrong shape for a drop-bar road bike - 
it certainly is for me.  I think B17 works best on your sit-up touring 
bike, and also works fine for me on an upright.  

And I agree, for the greatest range in riding positions, S-A is the most 
invisible saddle ever made.  But matching a B17 or Rivet to its correct 
riding position (for your tush) is equally invisible.  



On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 8:14:35 AM UTC-6, ian m wrote:
>
> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past 
> the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, 
> X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a 
> week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I bought a 
> second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather more than on the 
> original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for either.
>
> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on 
>> sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the 
>> past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout. 
>>  Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet 
>> Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was 
>> wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read 
>> people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some 
>> people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any 
>> thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/06/2016 08:43 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Ha! Never dawned on me to search fishnet underwear.


Yeah, you find all kinds of stimulating, exciting pictures when you do 
that...



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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Patrick Moore]

So, cotton works well? Good to know, since cotton fishnet seems to be
readily available.

This?
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Cotton-String-Fishnet-T-Shirt/dp/B00ZIAT82S

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:04 PM, GAJett  wrote:

> I have used fishnet for over 45 years, and some of my current inventory
> dates to that time.  NOTHING compares to the flexibility of fishnet as a
> base layer.  Large air pockets create a very warm layer next to the skin,
> especially if the overlying layer fits closely.  Opening the outer layer
> allows you to dump warm air very quickly if you overheat, and this is the
> one outdoor garment where I PREFER COTTON!
>
> Why cotton? Geez, everyone knows "cotton kills" the weather turns cold!
> But in this case so very little of the fishnet contacts your skin that the
> conductive heat loss typical of a moist cotton fabric simply does not
> apply.  And I find it more comfortable than the nylon or poly fishnets.
>
> Many of my remaining fishnet tops were sourced from Eddie Bauer, when they
> still sold outdoor gear.  The bottoms died a decade ago when the flat
> fabric between the thighs gave up completely. I have purchased "womens"
> fishnet tops suitable for a base layer, but they tend to be too short in
> the torso.
>
> I am not a fan of the Wiggy's product, based on what I have seen.  Nylon
> fabric, and so many apparent areas of flat fabric (e.g., over the knees)
> that would provide no insulating benefit just turn me off.  I have looked
> for alternate sources, finding one in Norway, but my e-mails went
> unanswered.
>
> Fishnet longies simply ROCK. They beat standard high-tech long undies by a
> mile, and the typical mass market items by 10.  If anyone has sources in
> addition to Wiggy's I would REALLY like to know.
> Cheers!
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:19:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
>> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>>
>> I just did this test of the top:
>>
>> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung
>> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F,
>> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any
>> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>>
>> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves
>> were chilly on the descent.
>>
>> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
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[RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[GAJett]

I have used fishnet for over 45 years, and some of my current inventory 
dates to that time.  NOTHING compares to the flexibility of fishnet as a 
base layer.  Large air pockets create a very warm layer next to the skin, 
especially if the overlying layer fits closely.  Opening the outer layer 
allows you to dump warm air very quickly if you overheat, and this is the 
one outdoor garment where I PREFER COTTON!

Why cotton? Geez, everyone knows "cotton kills" the weather turns cold!  
But in this case so very little of the fishnet contacts your skin that the 
conductive heat loss typical of a moist cotton fabric simply does not 
apply.  And I find it more comfortable than the nylon or poly fishnets.

Many of my remaining fishnet tops were sourced from Eddie Bauer, when they 
still sold outdoor gear.  The bottoms died a decade ago when the flat 
fabric between the thighs gave up completely. I have purchased "womens" 
fishnet tops suitable for a base layer, but they tend to be too short in 
the torso.

I am not a fan of the Wiggy's product, based on what I have seen.  Nylon 
fabric, and so many apparent areas of flat fabric (e.g., over the knees) 
that would provide no insulating benefit just turn me off.  I have looked 
for alternate sources, finding one in Norway, but my e-mails went 
unanswered.

Fishnet longies simply ROCK. They beat standard high-tech long undies by a 
mile, and the typical mass market items by 10.  If anyone has sources in 
addition to Wiggy's I would REALLY like to know.
Cheers!

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:19:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
> were chilly on the descent. 
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Deacon Patrick]

You realize the whole point is to wear a(t least one) shirt over it? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:56:37 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, and no need to apologize. I thought it was funny.
>
> Now the question is: do I have the pecs to wear that shirt?
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Ha! Never dawned on me to search fishnet underwear. Sorry about that. The 
>> shirt is $38 shipped. And it is thicker (creating more air pocket depth) 
>> than the muscle shirt you  link to. Would it work? Likely, but not as well.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Sheesh! Do a search for fishnet underwear and you get the party girls.
>>>
>>> Any less expensive sources for non-cotton fishnet t-shirts? Either LS or 
>>> SS is fine.
>>>
>>> And the party boys too. But would this work? Not lewd exactly, but 
>>> tasteless; still, the question ...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fashion-Brand-Grid-Fishnet-Men-Sexy-Fitness-Transparent-T-shirts-Gay-Funny-Mesh-Cut-outs-Tess/32607058112.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.16.Ltpygg
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Now that's a dedication to real world testing! 

 Thanks for this information. I don't experience your cold, but I do 
 want to look for some fishnet base layers.

 BTW, 40*F, ~40% humidity, windy, no radiant heat because the sun was 
 behind the clouds (the radiant heat of the suh at high altitudes is very 
 striking): Italian shirt-weight merino crew top, courtesy of GW, under 
 that 
 heavy, Ragg Woolywarm sweater jersey. Perfect.

 On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  
 wrote:

> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping 
> bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just 
> wrung out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 
> 10˚F, with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at 
> any point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and 
> gloves were chilly on the descent. 
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[Daniel D.]

Lovely!

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Re: [RBW] Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[Daniel D.]

Lovely!

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Eric Karnes]

Hahaha. Love it!

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[RBW] Re: Roadini info

[nathaniel nichols]

I'm definitely getting one. Always wanted a roadeo,ram, or custom (not to me) 
riv road..

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, and no need to apologize. I thought it was funny.

Now the question is: do I have the pecs to wear that shirt?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Ha! Never dawned on me to search fishnet underwear. Sorry about that. The
> shirt is $38 shipped. And it is thicker (creating more air pocket depth)
> than the muscle shirt you  link to. Would it work? Likely, but not as well.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Sheesh! Do a search for fishnet underwear and you get the party girls.
>>
>> Any less expensive sources for non-cotton fishnet t-shirts? Either LS or
>> SS is fine.
>>
>> And the party boys too. But would this work? Not lewd exactly, but
>> tasteless; still, the question ...
>>
>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fashion-Brand-Grid-Fishnet-
>> Men-Sexy-Fitness-Transparent-T-shirts-Gay-Funny-Mesh-Cut-
>> outs-Tess/32607058112.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.16.Ltpygg
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Now that's a dedication to real world testing!
>>>
>>> Thanks for this information. I don't experience your cold, but I do want
>>> to look for some fishnet base layers.
>>>
>>> BTW, 40*F, ~40% humidity, windy, no radiant heat because the sun was
>>> behind the clouds (the radiant heat of the suh at high altitudes is very
>>> striking): Italian shirt-weight merino crew top, courtesy of GW, under that
>>> heavy, Ragg Woolywarm sweater jersey. Perfect.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>>
 Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
 http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/

 I just did this test of the top:

 It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just
 wrung out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in
 10˚F, with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at
 any point on the ride than when I first left the house.

 My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and
 gloves were chilly on the descent.

 THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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Re: [RBW] Re: Wtb/bar end shifter question

[Patrick Moore]

I inadvertently proved today that Silver shifters can shift 10 speeds, if
not mountain or Dynasys (I know nothing about those). I replaced the
Bontrager 44/40/26 triple with a Logic on a offset 130 Phil, with 42/28
rings, so I had to change my cassette. For me, this means dumping the cog
box onto the floor and scrambling around to find the right sizes -- the
collection includes Uniglides, 7s, 8s, 9s, and apparently even some 10s. I
found the butt end of a cassette, 3 cogs riveted together on a spider,
21-23-27, which looked just right for the big end, so I put that on. I
wasn't paying attention, so I just shoved the other cogs on with 9 speed
spacers, and was a bit disconcerted to find (a) that the lockring had to be
pushed hard to engage the threads, and (b) that I had to adjust the inner
limit screw. The 9 speed SRAM chain shifted fine.

Then I looked more closely and found that I had a home-brew 10 speed:
13-27. That would have been very good news, except that my hub seems
incompatible with dished big cogs; the inside of the 27 lightly rubbed the
spokes. When I substituted a "flat" big, I could no longer squeeze 10 onto
the freehub body.

But the Silver BESs shifted the 9 speed chain very nicely across all 10 of
the cogs.

Given my experience, I will now simply buy some 10 speed spacers (if I can
find a source that doesn't charge $7 to $18 per) and a new chain, and build
my own 10 speed cassette. I think that the ~2 mm saved by the narrower
spacers will more than make up for the absence of a dished inner cog.

Anyway, an interesting experience -- 10 speeds with 9 speed spacing on a
Shimano freehub.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jon BALER  wrote:

> Shimano 10 speed mountain/dynasys needs more cable pull than traditional
> friction shifters, so you can't use just any shifter.
>
> Microshift is the only compatible bar end shifter that i know of.   There
> are other options for friction shifting for downtube or thumb shifting that
> will work with dynasys.
>
> There is also a modification that I have used to make a 9 speed shifter
> work. Take a dremel to the shifter and increase the lever travel.
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Re: [RBW] Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[James Warren]

To me it looks larger than 60 cm.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
> 
> Not mine and never dealt with this seller.
> 
> What catches my attention is the dearth of description on this frameset.  
> Which may mean that it was just found at an estate sale or something.  And 
> further conjecture probably is not necessary. 
> 
> Appears to be a dark red Joe Bell painted later model lugged custom. Stated 
> as 60 CM which looks about right. With a reasonably cheap group and sort of 
> non-RBW setup (seller has the saddle jacked up to look more like a standard 
> issue road bike), then tilted down a bit oddly. Reasonably inexpensive 
> drivetrain - though that doesn't mean too much.  Anyway - just floating it 
> out there for review.
> 
> Rivendell - RARE- Custom/not mass-produced model
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-RARE-Custom-not-mass-produced-model/322347476632
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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! Never dawned on me to search fishnet underwear. Sorry about that. The 
shirt is $38 shipped. And it is thicker (creating more air pocket depth) 
than the muscle shirt you  link to. Would it work? Likely, but not as well.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:33:01 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sheesh! Do a search for fishnet underwear and you get the party girls.
>
> Any less expensive sources for non-cotton fishnet t-shirts? Either LS or 
> SS is fine.
>
> And the party boys too. But would this work? Not lewd exactly, but 
> tasteless; still, the question ...
>
>
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fashion-Brand-Grid-Fishnet-Men-Sexy-Fitness-Transparent-T-shirts-Gay-Funny-Mesh-Cut-outs-Tess/32607058112.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.16.Ltpygg
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Now that's a dedication to real world testing! 
>>
>> Thanks for this information. I don't experience your cold, but I do want 
>> to look for some fishnet base layers.
>>
>> BTW, 40*F, ~40% humidity, windy, no radiant heat because the sun was 
>> behind the clouds (the radiant heat of the suh at high altitudes is very 
>> striking): Italian shirt-weight merino crew top, courtesy of GW, under that 
>> heavy, Ragg Woolywarm sweater jersey. Perfect.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick > > wrote:
>>
>>> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
>>> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>>>
>>> I just did this test of the top:
>>>
>>> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
>>> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
>>> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
>>> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>>>
>>> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
>>> were chilly on the descent. 
>>>
>>> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Wtb/bar end shifter question

[Jon BALER]

Shimano 10 speed mountain/dynasys needs more cable pull than traditional 
friction shifters, so you can't use just any shifter. 

Microshift is the only compatible bar end shifter that i know of.   There are 
other options for friction shifting for downtube or thumb shifting that will 
work with dynasys. 

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Take a dremel to the shifter and increase the lever travel. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini info

[Patrick Moore]

Will the Roadini have Roadeo-type tubing, or Ram-type tubing? If the
former, I am very interested.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> I must admit to some surprise.  For quite awhile it seemed like
> consolidation was the order of the day.  Now models seem to proliferate
> like rabbits.  This kind of sounds like the rebirth of the Ramboulliet, a
> Rodeo, just a bit more practical.  Since I always thought axing the Ram was
> a real loss; I'll celebrate this, if I'm right.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The single most comprehensive RBW description was this:
>>
>> To speculateurs and 'teuses:
>> Le Roadini..hm. I didn't realize we'd announced anything yet, but since
>> le chat is out of the mussette, here's 100 percent of what there is to know
>> about it:
>>
>> 1. It's not going to duplicate or overlap too much any existing bike
>> except the Roadeo. No "85 percent Sam, but with lighter tubing."
>> 2. We won't burden it with "The Thinker's Road bike," or other references
>> to Rodin. Nothing to chuckle about or roll eyes about.
>> 3. It certainly won't copy existing road geometries. It'll be
>> well-designed from small to big, with the geometries that make our bikes
>> feel like our bikes.
>> 4. We are considering what braze-ons to include. The idea is to make it
>> useful, but not to encourage (for example) MFL. Do we add those little
>> front of the fork braze-ons for a Mark's Rack, or will that encourage
>> monster front loading? Practically, it would be an ideal bike for a small
>> bar-mount bag, like the Bar Tube or the now-gone BarSack rack (which wins
>> the record for the highest ratio of expected success-to-actual sales. Dang,
>> if we bring it back, it'll be a "last gasp" bring-back, and if you ride
>> drop bars you should get it).
>> 5. Same reach as Roadeo. Again here, Homer-Sam clearances will send the
>> message that it's just a featherweight Du-All, and it won't be that.
>>
>> It'll take a Jack Brown, but not with a fender. Sidepulls, but not the
>> Silvers with all that reach. It may have a few more braze-ons than a
>> Roadeo, but we haven't settled on that yet.
>>
>> It won't be a "high-plane/low-trailer," but I recognize that there's a
>> place for those bikes!
>>
>> It will look really good and ride like a pure road bike ought to, and
>> will be --- other stuff...AND
>>
>> it may have one ultra-groovy feature never seen before on any of our
>> bikes. This is my "take back" for being forced to reveal so much so early
>> on a bike that is more of a plan than settled yet!
>>
>> I really didn't know this was revealed, and I really don't mind that it
>> was. Usually it's me who speaks too early, so whoever wrote that
>> post--Roman or Dave, I guess--just made it easy for me. Anyway, it's a
>> 2017'er if it happens, and thanks for all of your nice comments and fun
>> guesses and enthusiasm!
>>
>> Grant
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-8, Forrest Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> Where? Thanks. (I know, I'm clueless, but I did look.)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[Jack K]

My how times have changed! 32mm road tires are now "a skinny"...

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:35:31 AM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> Building a Christmas bike for my son-in-law. Took several nights of sore 
> hands to get Compass 32mm EL mounted true on new Mavic Open Sport/105 
> wheels. He won't know the difference, but they feel as good as a skinny can.

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh! Do a search for fishnet underwear and you get the party girls.

Any less expensive sources for non-cotton fishnet t-shirts? Either LS or SS
is fine.

And the party boys too. But would this work? Not lewd exactly, but
tasteless; still, the question ...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fashion-Brand-Grid-Fishnet-Men-Sexy-Fitness-Transparent-T-shirts-Gay-Funny-Mesh-Cut-outs-Tess/32607058112.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.16.Ltpygg

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Now that's a dedication to real world testing!
>
> Thanks for this information. I don't experience your cold, but I do want
> to look for some fishnet base layers.
>
> BTW, 40*F, ~40% humidity, windy, no radiant heat because the sun was
> behind the clouds (the radiant heat of the suh at high altitudes is very
> striking): Italian shirt-weight merino crew top, courtesy of GW, under that
> heavy, Ragg Woolywarm sweater jersey. Perfect.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
>> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>>
>> I just did this test of the top:
>>
>> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung
>> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F,
>> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any
>> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>>
>> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves
>> were chilly on the descent.
>>
>> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Patrick Moore]

Now that's a dedication to real world testing!

Thanks for this information. I don't experience your cold, but I do want to
look for some fishnet base layers.

BTW, 40*F, ~40% humidity, windy, no radiant heat because the sun was behind
the clouds (the radiant heat of the suh at high altitudes is very
striking): Italian shirt-weight merino crew top, courtesy of GW, under that
heavy, Ragg Woolywarm sweater jersey. Perfect.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung
> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F,
> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any
> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves
> were chilly on the descent.
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[Nicolas Montes]

It belongs to Ye Olde Bike Shoppe here in San Diego. For a little while 
they had three pristine Rivs, two Atlantis and this custom at insane 
prices. Rumor has it they won them at a storage auction.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:23 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Not mine and never dealt with this seller.
>
> What catches my attention is the dearth of description on this frameset. 
>  Which may mean that it was just found at an estate sale or something.  And 
> further conjecture probably is not necessary. 
>
> Appears to be a dark red Joe Bell painted later model lugged custom. 
> Stated as 60 CM which looks about right. With a reasonably cheap group and 
> sort of non-RBW setup (seller has the saddle jacked up to look more like a 
> standard issue road bike), then tilted down a bit oddly. Reasonably 
> inexpensive drivetrain - though that doesn't mean too much.  Anyway - just 
> floating it out there for review.
>
> Rivendell - RARE- Custom/not mass-produced model
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-RARE-Custom-not-mass-produced-model/322347476632
>

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[RBW] Extreme long johns...

[Deacon Patrick]

Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/ 


I just did this test of the top:

It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung out 
and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, with 40 
mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any point on the 
ride than when I first left the house.

My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves were 
chilly on the descent. 

THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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[RBW] Re: Roadini info

[Joe Bernard]

The Appaloosa has been the only new fully lugged model in quite a while. What I 
think happened is the youngsters at Riv finally convinced Grant that losing 
sales to lower-cost TIGed steel bikes was for the birds, and the floodgates 
opened on that end. First was the very excellent Clem, then they found a use 
for s bunch of spare forks with Rosco Bubbe, next is Roadini. I fully support 
this new direction seeing as how I tried to talk him into it 10-or-so years ago 
;-)

Joe Appaloosa Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Looking for recommendations for shipping a bike from Bellingham, WA to Oakland, CA

[Jeffrey B]

I had a terrific experience getting a 64cm Atlantis across the country with 
shipbikes.com (no affiliation). They have a deal with FedEx similar to 
bikeflights, I think it was <$60 from California to DC. Good luck!

Jeff
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Glen]

I must be one of those that the X fits, I call it my "taint hammock" and it 
is by far the most comfortable saddle I've ever been on. B17 on my Atlantis 
with Albas and the X on my Noodled Ram.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 7:14:35 AM UTC-7, ian m wrote:
>
> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past 
> the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, 
> X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a 
> week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I bought a 
> second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather more than on the 
> original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for either.
>
> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Daniel D.]

I'm not debating that point.  My brooks have some sag.  It's the amount or 
tendency of the material to sag that's the problem.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 1:50:16 PM UTC-8, ian m wrote:
>
> If the leather is taut with no slack it doesn't hammock your sit bones. If 
> it doesn't hammock your sit bones each side wont move independently of the 
> other. That movement combined with the slot to relieve perineal pressure 
> are what make the saddle comfortable. Like I said I purchased my first SA 
> saddle after meeting the previous owner (who now operates Rivet) and 
> talking with her about the design and trying the demo saddle. These things 
> are very much intentional design elements. I've managed to make my saddles 
> work to where they don't sag too much and I still have plenty of room to 
> tension more if I needed. Obviously one saddle design is not going to be 
> perfect for every human's butt, body shape is pretty wildly variable. 
> Doesn't make the saddle the problem.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:27:07 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Not about looks it's about comfort.  Sagging too much then it's 
>> uncomfortable. The company line that it's supposed to sag a lot IMO seems 
>> more like an excuse than an actual design choice.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini info

[Michael Hechmer]

I must admit to some surprise.  For quite awhile it seemed like 
consolidation was the order of the day.  Now models seem to proliferate 
like rabbits.  This kind of sounds like the rebirth of the Ramboulliet, a 
Rodeo, just a bit more practical.  Since I always thought axing the Ram was 
a real loss; I'll celebrate this, if I'm right.

Michael

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The single most comprehensive RBW description was this:
>
> To speculateurs and 'teuses:
> Le Roadini..hm. I didn't realize we'd announced anything yet, but since le 
> chat is out of the mussette, here's 100 percent of what there is to know 
> about it:
>
> 1. It's not going to duplicate or overlap too much any existing bike 
> except the Roadeo. No "85 percent Sam, but with lighter tubing."
> 2. We won't burden it with "The Thinker's Road bike," or other references 
> to Rodin. Nothing to chuckle about or roll eyes about.
> 3. It certainly won't copy existing road geometries. It'll be 
> well-designed from small to big, with the geometries that make our bikes 
> feel like our bikes. 
> 4. We are considering what braze-ons to include. The idea is to make it 
> useful, but not to encourage (for example) MFL. Do we add those little 
> front of the fork braze-ons for a Mark's Rack, or will that encourage 
> monster front loading? Practically, it would be an ideal bike for a small 
> bar-mount bag, like the Bar Tube or the now-gone BarSack rack (which wins 
> the record for the highest ratio of expected success-to-actual sales. Dang, 
> if we bring it back, it'll be a "last gasp" bring-back, and if you ride 
> drop bars you should get it).
> 5. Same reach as Roadeo. Again here, Homer-Sam clearances will send the 
> message that it's just a featherweight Du-All, and it won't be that.
>
> It'll take a Jack Brown, but not with a fender. Sidepulls, but not the 
> Silvers with all that reach. It may have a few more braze-ons than a 
> Roadeo, but we haven't settled on that yet.
>
> It won't be a "high-plane/low-trailer," but I recognize that there's a 
> place for those bikes!
>
> It will look really good and ride like a pure road bike ought to, and will 
> be --- other stuff...AND
>
> it may have one ultra-groovy feature never seen before on any of our 
> bikes. This is my "take back" for being forced to reveal so much so early 
> on a bike that is more of a plan than settled yet! 
>
> I really didn't know this was revealed, and I really don't mind that it 
> was. Usually it's me who speaks too early, so whoever wrote that 
> post--Roman or Dave, I guess--just made it easy for me. Anyway, it's a 
> 2017'er if it happens, and thanks for all of your nice comments and fun 
> guesses and enthusiasm!
>
> Grant
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-8, Forrest Meyer wrote:
>>
>> Where? Thanks. (I know, I'm clueless, but I did look.)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini info

[Bill Lindsay]

The single most comprehensive RBW description was this:

To speculateurs and 'teuses:
Le Roadini..hm. I didn't realize we'd announced anything yet, but since le 
chat is out of the mussette, here's 100 percent of what there is to know 
about it:

1. It's not going to duplicate or overlap too much any existing bike except 
the Roadeo. No "85 percent Sam, but with lighter tubing."
2. We won't burden it with "The Thinker's Road bike," or other references 
to Rodin. Nothing to chuckle about or roll eyes about.
3. It certainly won't copy existing road geometries. It'll be well-designed 
from small to big, with the geometries that make our bikes feel like our 
bikes. 
4. We are considering what braze-ons to include. The idea is to make it 
useful, but not to encourage (for example) MFL. Do we add those little 
front of the fork braze-ons for a Mark's Rack, or will that encourage 
monster front loading? Practically, it would be an ideal bike for a small 
bar-mount bag, like the Bar Tube or the now-gone BarSack rack (which wins 
the record for the highest ratio of expected success-to-actual sales. Dang, 
if we bring it back, it'll be a "last gasp" bring-back, and if you ride 
drop bars you should get it).
5. Same reach as Roadeo. Again here, Homer-Sam clearances will send the 
message that it's just a featherweight Du-All, and it won't be that.

It'll take a Jack Brown, but not with a fender. Sidepulls, but not the 
Silvers with all that reach. It may have a few more braze-ons than a 
Roadeo, but we haven't settled on that yet.

It won't be a "high-plane/low-trailer," but I recognize that there's a 
place for those bikes!

It will look really good and ride like a pure road bike ought to, and will 
be --- other stuff...AND

it may have one ultra-groovy feature never seen before on any of our bikes. 
This is my "take back" for being forced to reveal so much so early on a 
bike that is more of a plan than settled yet! 

I really didn't know this was revealed, and I really don't mind that it 
was. Usually it's me who speaks too early, so whoever wrote that 
post--Roman or Dave, I guess--just made it easy for me. Anyway, it's a 
2017'er if it happens, and thanks for all of your nice comments and fun 
guesses and enthusiasm!

Grant

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-8, Forrest Meyer wrote:
>
> Where? Thanks. (I know, I'm clueless, but I did look.)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Yeah that one popped up on my eBay search.  Love the color.  However at 60 
it is waay too big for me.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, La Jolla is not exactly a hotbed for misappropriated 
> property. There's probably 7,500 square feet of Zillow daydreamery attached 
> to that garage door.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Eric Karnes]

I actually preferred the looks of the SA. It looks just right on a 
slim-tubed steel bike like a Riv. Even the looks of the 'hammock' was fine 
by me. But one of mine would routinely sag so severely that I could (just 
barely) feel the top of the seatpost while riding. Not comfortable. Maybe I 
got a defective one? I've been told the quality of SA saddles has decreased 
dramatically since the founder's passing. Or maybe--as always--saddles are 
a profoundly personal choice. 

Eric


On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:25:23 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
> The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* 
> to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in 
> the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be 
> happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer
>
> Also I don't know if it was mentioned but the woman who started Rivet used 
> to run SA. I purchased my first SA after speaking with her at a bike expo 
> in SF. Would highly recommend buying Rivet due to her involvement, even 
> though I don't own one.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>>
>> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather 
>> past the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model 
>> before T, X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, 
>> rode it on a week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going 
>> strong. I bought a second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather 
>> more than on the original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for 
>> either.
>>
>> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
>> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
>> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
>> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
>> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
>> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
>> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
>> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on 
>>> sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the 
>>> past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout. 
>>>  Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet 
>>> Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was 
>>> wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read 
>>> people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some 
>>> people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any 
>>> thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini info

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Think there might be more than a few of waiting for the news to break next 
year on this model.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 1:43:57 PM UTC-5, John M wrote:
>
> Not much out there, but here's a discussion from the group, with Grant's 
> description:
>
> Roadini Teaser 
> 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 11:18:33 AM UTC-7, Forrest Meyer wrote:
>>
>> Where? Thanks. (I know, I'm clueless, but I did look.)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[ian m]

If the leather is taut with no slack it doesn't hammock your sit bones. If 
it doesn't hammock your sit bones each side wont move independently of the 
other. That movement combined with the slot to relieve perineal pressure 
are what make the saddle comfortable. Like I said I purchased my first SA 
saddle after meeting the previous owner (who now operates Rivet) and 
talking with her about the design and trying the demo saddle. These things 
are very much intentional design elements. I've managed to make my saddles 
work to where they don't sag too much and I still have plenty of room to 
tension more if I needed. Obviously one saddle design is not going to be 
perfect for every human's butt, body shape is pretty wildly variable. 
Doesn't make the saddle the problem.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:27:07 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Not about looks it's about comfort.  Sagging too much then it's 
> uncomfortable. The company line that it's supposed to sag a lot IMO seems 
> more like an excuse than an actual design choice.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Daniel D.]

Not about looks it's about comfort.  Sagging too much then it's 
uncomfortable. The company line that it's supposed to sag a lot IMO seems 
more like an excuse than an actual design choice.  

yes out of the box it's more comfortable than a brooks.  But a brooks gets 
more comfortable over time a SA gets less comfortable.  Brooks, Berthoud, 
or Rivet for my next one.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:25:23 AM UTC-8, ian m wrote:
>
> The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* 
> to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in 
> the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be 
> happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer
>
>  If I remember correctly, you're not a big guy either.


On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 10:34:21 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> For me it wasn't the sagging of the SA it was the bending of the super 
> long rails over a century distance ride that did me in... I did find the 
> saddle to be pretty comfy.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour XC 9000 brake lever/shifter, derailleur set

[Palmer]

Hi Ant,
Not currently, but can do. Heading out of town tomorrow but will try to get it 
tonight.
Tom

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[RBW] Re: FS: Orange 64cm Rivendell Quickbeam

[ant ritchey]

SOLD

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-8, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Cross posted to the iBob:
>
> Selling my beautiful orange beam.  Sufficient story and details in my 
> PDX-local CL posting:
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/5901282832.html
>
> Contact me with any questions.  Asking $700 + approx $60 for shipping 
> CONUS via bikeflights
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour XC 9000 brake lever/shifter, derailleur set

[ant ritchey]

hey thanks, tom.

you have any pics of your method of installation, by chance?

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 1:43:16 PM UTC-8, Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
> Just word as to how nice these brake/shifters are for albatross type bars. 
> I have them flipped side to side so the shifters are on the inside like 
> many do with separate brake/shifters. The only downside is you are now in 
> friction only for the rear derailleur because it is actually the original 
> front shifter. I like friction only so it works. 
> Good luck on the sale,
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: Roadini info

[John M]

Not much out there, but here's a discussion from the group, with Grant's 
description:

Roadini Teaser 


On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 11:18:33 AM UTC-7, Forrest Meyer wrote:
>
> Where? Thanks. (I know, I'm clueless, but I did look.)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Tony DeFilippo]

For me it wasn't the sagging of the SA it was the bending of the super long
rails over a century distance ride that did me in... I did find the saddle
to be pretty comfy.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Daniel D.  wrote:

> Not about looks it's about comfort.  Sagging too much then it's
> uncomfortable. I'm not sure which came first the excessive sagging or their
> customer service response of "it's supposed to sag and warning about
>  over-tensioning":p.
>
> yes out of the box it's more comfortable than a brooks.  But a brooks gets
> more comfortable over time a SA gets less comfortable.  Brooks, Berthoud,
> or Rivet for my next one.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:25:23 AM UTC-8, ian m wrote:
>>
>> The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is
>> *supposed* to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more
>> interested in the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way
>> you will not be happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer
>>
>> Also I don't know if it was mentioned but the woman who started Rivet
>> used to run SA. I purchased my first SA after speaking with her at a bike
>> expo in SF. Would highly recommend buying Rivet due to her involvement,
>> even though I don't own one.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>>>
>>> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather
>>> past the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model
>>> before T, X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it,
>>> rode it on a week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going
>>> strong. I bought a second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather
>>> more than on the original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for
>>> either.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and
>>> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with
>>> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each
>>> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience
>>> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after
>>> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA
>>> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each
>>> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:

 I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on
 sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the
 past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout.
 Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet
 Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was
 wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read
 people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some
 people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any
 thoughts comparing these 3 choices?

 Thanks,
 John

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[RBW] Roadini info

[Forrest Meyer]

Where? Thanks. (I know, I'm clueless, but I did look.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for recommendations for shipping a bike from Bellingham, WA to Oakland, CA

[Eric Norris]

I recently used Amtrak to ship a bike across the country, with great results. 

I used Amtrak because I was shipping a vintage bike (Raleigh) that I didn't 
want to disassemble enough to fit into the type of bike box that BikeFlights 
uses (think of the boxes you can get from your local bike shop). Amtrak's own 
box (about $15) only requires that you take off the pedals and turn the 
handlebars. The bike just rolls in, although I put a bunch of padding around 
the Raleigh.

Amtrak's price was about $80, which was much lower than $600 or so that FedEx 
or UPS would charge to ship such a large box. They'll take it from any Amtrak 
station to any Amtrak station. You have a few days at the end point to pick it 
up, then they charge you about $3 a day for storage.

If you can deal with removing the wheels, fenders, etc., to get the bike into a 
standard box, use BikeFlights. It's a little cheaper, and they'll deliver it 
right to your doorstep. If you don't want to take the bike apart, Amtrak is a 
great option.

--Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Irving  wrote:
> 
> I have never used Amtrak, but there there was a recent thread about it where 
> some members chimed in.
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:06:28 AM UTC-8, Guybe Slangen wrote:
>> Hi all, I'm hoping to purchase a used Atlantis in Bellingham but not sure 
>> the best, and most affordable, way to get it to me in Oakland. Thanks for 
>> any wisdom and guidance. 
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[RBW] Re: Looking for recommendations for shipping a bike from Bellingham, WA to Oakland, CA

[Bill Lindsay]

Having gotten used to how expensive FedEx and UPS had gotten, I was 
pleasantly surprised to see how affordable bikeflights was.  I've had my 
first experience with a bike getting damaged by the shipper using 
bikeflights, but I had insured the bike and getting an insurance claim was 
straightforward.  I always box things up myself, so it's free.  If the 
person on the Bellingham side is unable or unwilling to do that part, then 
you need to arrange that part as well.

I admit I'm extra nervous about shipping anything/everything during the 
Holidays.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> Hi all, I'm hoping to purchase a used Atlantis in Bellingham but not sure 
> the best, and most affordable, way to get it to me in Oakland. Thanks for 
> any wisdom and guidance. 
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[RBW] Re: fs: Shimano 9 speed bar end shifter pods

[Greg Simmons]

I could use these...thought I'd respond here to since I got moderated it!  
Sent you email privately also.

Thanks,

Greg

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 9:48:36 PM UTC-4, Eric wrote:
>
> Bump$15 shipped
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for recommendations for shipping a bike from Bellingham, WA to Oakland, CA

[Eric Floden]

Not for everyone, but when I bought a bike in Sacramento, I drove down to
pick it up,  That was OK as neither wife or I had seen that part of the US
before.  Three nights.  Turned out to be an enjoyable road trip

Eric
Vancouver BC

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[RBW] Re: Looking for recommendations for shipping a bike from Bellingham, WA to Oakland, CA

[Irving]

I have never used Amtrak, but there there was a recent thread 

 
about it where some members chimed in.

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> Hi all, I'm hoping to purchase a used Atlantis in Bellingham but not sure 
> the best, and most affordable, way to get it to me in Oakland. Thanks for 
> any wisdom and guidance. 
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[RBW] Re: Wtb/bar end shifter question

[Philip Kim]

microshift has a bar end that can do 10 speed xt dynasys index, but also 
can be put into friction mode. has more cable pull than a regular shimano 
bar end i think, so youre 10 speed friction will be a bit more precise.

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> Hey guys, 
>
>
> I have a 1x10 set up on my Atlantis with a 10 speed xt  cassette and 
> derailleur. I need a rear bar end shifter that can go up to 10 on friction, 
> which I'm pretty sure most Shifters can do if I'm not mistaken? thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[sameness]

For what it's worth, La Jolla is not exactly a hotbed for misappropriated 
property. There's probably 7,500 square feet of Zillow daydreamery attached 
to that garage door.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Q for fellow Blustery Bonzos...

[Tim Butterfield]

I had a similar issue back in 2009 not too long after I started running.  I
was unable to nose breath easily also.  In my case, I had both a deviated
septum and a bony tumor in my sinus.  Once those were taken care of at the
end of 2009, I could nose breath easily.  A crimped tube can never achieve
full flow.  You can either try to adapt to the reduced flow or have the
flow issue fixed.  Just make sure they don't want to break it to fix it.
That's old school and no longer necessary, at least in my case.  Try the
exercises Patrick mentioned to see if you can adapt to the reduced flow.  I
wasn't able to or just didn't have the patience for it.

Tim

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Lum Gim Fong, your deviated septum may not be material to your breathing
> issues, while over breathing may be. Try this as you sit there reading this:
>
> 1. Breathe through your nose, mouth closed, including exhale. This is your
> baseline.
> 2. After exhaling fully, pause. Hold your breath until just slightly
> feeling that urge to breathe. Then breathe slow and controlled through your
> nose, mouth closed. Are your sinuses more open?
>
> I learned the Buteyko Breathing Method (nose only, except in exercise,
> normal breathing is very shallow and has a pause after full exhale of 6-10
> seconds. Exercise increases this). I learned with their book (a $2
> download). Their classes are highly expensive. https://www.
> breathingcenter.com. Also eliminated my allergies and acid reflux issues.
> Took three month to fully be comfortable, and a year to be able to exercise
> at almost any level (I just slowed down to stay nose breathing).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:37:27 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Wow!
>> I have to mouth breathe when I ride at any speed.
>> I have a deviated septum. Even sitting still at home, there is resistance
>>  breathing through the nose .
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Re: [RBW] FS: my old 1x10 set up.

[Joe Bunik]

I'll take the Zee rd!
thanks
=- Joe

On 12/3/16, mike gasparino  wrote:
> Hey guys, have had these laying around for a while from an old 1x10 build on
> my riv:
>
> -Deore XT 10 Speed 11-36 cassette (less then 100 miles) with KMC 10 speed
> chain. $50 shipped
> -shimano zee rear 10 speed shifter. ( less then 100 miles) $19 shipped
> -shimano 600 cranks in fantastic condition. 170mm arms, 130 bcd. Comes with
> Tange 118mm bottom bracket with less then 100 miles. $80 shipped
> -race face narrow wide chainring. 40t. 130bcd.
>
> I had all of these on my Atlantis and it worked great but I don't seem to
> ride anymore trails so I'm going to go back to a more commuting/road
> specific set up. Please DM for pics or if you would like to purchase it all
> give me a holler and I will cut down prices
>
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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[adam leibow]

i need these very same tires for my black mountain cycles road. they should 
max out the clearance on it, and make it ride even better than the 25c 
tires on there now. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fall Clean-up - Delays for the Moderated & A Few Thoughts

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there Max -

Thanks for the kind words - always great to hear from you.

I keep looking at that and thinking about ways to evolve it.  Haven't hit
on the right idea yet.

- J

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:36 AM, reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Jim,
> I join others in thanking you for your efforts.
>
> BTW, I spent some time this morning on your old Cyclofiend site - - the
> flu has me working from home today, and I needed to improve my morale -  so
> I spent some time looking at the treasures you've collected on that site.
> Great work, and thanks again.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Daniel D.]

Not about looks it's about comfort.  Sagging too much then it's 
uncomfortable. I'm not sure which came first the excessive sagging or their 
customer service response of "it's supposed to sag and warning about 
 over-tensioning":p.

yes out of the box it's more comfortable than a brooks.  But a brooks gets 
more comfortable over time a SA gets less comfortable.  Brooks, Berthoud, 
or Rivet for my next one.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 6:25:23 AM UTC-8, ian m wrote:
>
> The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* 
> to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in 
> the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be 
> happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer
>
> Also I don't know if it was mentioned but the woman who started Rivet used 
> to run SA. I purchased my first SA after speaking with her at a bike expo 
> in SF. Would highly recommend buying Rivet due to her involvement, even 
> though I don't own one.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>>
>> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather 
>> past the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model 
>> before T, X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, 
>> rode it on a week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going 
>> strong. I bought a second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather 
>> more than on the original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for 
>> either.
>>
>> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
>> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
>> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
>> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
>> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
>> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
>> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
>> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on 
>>> sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the 
>>> past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout. 
>>>  Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet 
>>> Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was 
>>> wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read 
>>> people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some 
>>> people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any 
>>> thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Deep Red 60CM Joe Bell Painted Custom on Ebay - San Diego Area? Anyone recognize?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Not mine and never dealt with this seller.

What catches my attention is the dearth of description on this frameset. 
 Which may mean that it was just found at an estate sale or something.  And 
further conjecture probably is not necessary. 

Appears to be a dark red Joe Bell painted later model lugged custom. Stated 
as 60 CM which looks about right. With a reasonably cheap group and sort of 
non-RBW setup (seller has the saddle jacked up to look more like a standard 
issue road bike), then tilted down a bit oddly. Reasonably inexpensive 
drivetrain - though that doesn't mean too much.  Anyway - just floating it 
out there for review.

Rivendell - RARE- Custom/not mass-produced model
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-RARE-Custom-not-mass-produced-model/322347476632

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Re: [RBW] Wtb/bar end shifter question

[Tim Gavin]

Most friction shifters should have enough range.  Stay away from Shimano
BS79 bar ends, they're 10 speed but have no friction option.  BS78 bar ends
offer both 10 indexed and friction.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:53 AM, mike gasparino 
wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
>
> I have a 1x10 set up on my Atlantis with a 10 speed xt  cassette and
> derailleur. I need a rear bar end shifter that can go up to 10 on friction,
> which I'm pretty sure most Shifters can do if I'm not mistaken? thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Bruce Herbitter]

Thanks Ian.  I was feeling like the Lone Ranger.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:14 AM, ian m  wrote:
> 
> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past 
> the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, 
> X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a 
> week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I bought a 
> second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather more than on the 
> original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for either.
> 
> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and the 
> looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with specific 
> body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each side of the 
> saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience thigh rub,  I 
> personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after riding one for about a 
> year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA was the most comfortable 
> saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each their own, best thing you 
> can do is try as many saddles as possible.
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on sale 
>> for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the past 
>> to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout.  Others I 
>> had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet Pearl.  I like 
>> the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was wondering if the 
>> SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read people raving about 
>> the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some people complaining 
>> about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any thoughts comparing these 3 
>> choices?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> John
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[RBW] Wtb/bar end shifter question

[mike gasparino]

Hey guys,


I have a 1x10 set up on my Atlantis with a 10 speed xt  cassette and 
derailleur. I need a rear bar end shifter that can go up to 10 on friction, 
which I'm pretty sure most Shifters can do if I'm not mistaken? thanks!

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[RBW] FS: my old 1x10 set up.

[mike gasparino]

Hey guys, have had these laying around for a while from an old 1x10 build on my 
riv:

-Deore XT 10 Speed 11-36 cassette (less then 100 miles) with KMC 10 speed 
chain. $50 shipped
-shimano zee rear 10 speed shifter. ( less then 100 miles) $19 shipped 
-shimano 600 cranks in fantastic condition. 170mm arms, 130 bcd. Comes with 
Tange 118mm bottom bracket with less then 100 miles. $80 shipped
-race face narrow wide chainring. 40t. 130bcd. 

I had all of these on my Atlantis and it worked great but I don't seem to ride 
anymore trails so I'm going to go back to a more commuting/road specific set 
up. Please DM for pics or if you would like to purchase it all give me a holler 
and I will cut down prices 


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[RBW] FS: shimano 600 cranks with tange bb

[mike gasparino]

Hey guys 
I took this off of my  Atlantis. Fantastic cranks in crazy good shape for their 
age. I bought them NOS about a year ago . Crankset is 170mm arm length 130bcd. 
Square taper. Comes with tange square taper bb that has a 118 length with less 
then 100 miles. DM for photos. $65 shipped 

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[RBW] Looking for recommendations for shipping a bike from Bellingham, WA to Oakland, CA

[Guybe Slangen]

Hi all, I'm hoping to purchase a used Atlantis in Bellingham but not sure 
the best, and most affordable, way to get it to me in Oakland. Thanks for 
any wisdom and guidance. 

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[RBW] Re: Albastache on what frame?

[Kieran J]

What about a light, flexy frame for the Albastache? Your other rides are 
towards the beefy-ish end. Maybe a 531 Trek or something? (Although I do 
remember you having one or some frames like that in the past [?])

I have a 'stache on my Ram "fast-ish road bike", and it is there to stay. I 
never got on with drop bars, and I think the 'stache incorporates some of 
the hand-position benefits with flat-bar comfort and control.

KJ


On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:17:05 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> So I've had an itch to build up an Albastache'd bike. Might be silly to 
> build up a bike only to have another handlebar option, but I'm ok with that.
> My goal is to find an older mtb as a winter project and build it up with 
> Albastache bars. 
> Assuming the bars work out for me, I'd like to swap things over to a newer 
> frameset.
>
> My question is:
> Which frame would work well with Albastache bars assuming I want a 
> semi-upright yet still a tad aggressive setup?
> As this is the Riv list, Rivendell frames obviously should be in the mix, 
> but other frame suggestions are welcomed.
>
> Ideally new bike would not overlap with current bikes/handlebar setups 
> which are:
> Riv Clem - Albatross
> Riv Redwood - drops, Nitto B132
> Black Mountain Monster Cross - drops, Nitto B132
> VO Campeur - shortened Albatross w/ inverse brake levers
>
> David
> winter project dreaming when I should be working in Chicago, IL
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just installed my fourth new SA. In my last comment I neglected to say, I had 
to do some prep work on my last saddle. I took coarse sandpaper and sanded down 
the edges to provide a rounded edge. I also carefully peened down the edge of 
the name plate so it won't tear up my shorts. Some mink oil on the edges of the 
leather fixes the destruction. I found the key to setting up mine is to set the 
nose a little high, and LIGHT tension. I haven't over stretched mine In my 
thirty years of riding, this is the most comfortable saddle I have tried. With 
beausage, they looks great. 
Claytonious QBend 
 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:25 AM, ian m  wrote:
 

 The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* to 
sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in the 
saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be happy 
with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer
Also I don't know if it was mentioned but the woman who started Rivet used to 
run SA. I purchased my first SA after speaking with her at a bike expo in SF. 
Would highly recommend buying Rivet due to her involvement, even though I don't 
own one.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past the 
length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, X, ) 
I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a week long 
tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I bought a second about 
3 years ago (T model) and like the leather more than on the original. Haven't 
moved the tension bolt past halfway for either.
I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and the 
looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with specific 
body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each side of the 
saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience thigh rub,  I 
personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after riding one for about a 
year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA was the most comfortable 
saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each their own, best thing you 
can do is try as many saddles as possible.

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on sale 
for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the past to 
replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout.  Others I had been 
considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet Pearl.  I like the Rivet 
and don't know much about the C17 carved but was wondering if the SA was worth 
trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read people raving about the Rivet 
saddles here but also thought I remember some people complaining about the SA 
saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
Thanks,John

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[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

[Ron Mc]

No offense to Grant, but I can find merino elsewhere.  It's MUSA pants, 
shorts and knickers I can't find substitutes.  (don't shorten the legs on 
the pants, part of what makes them work for me - ha)

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:27:53 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>
> I have worn out two pair of MUSA shorts, have one spare on hand, and wish 
> I could get more. I have a pair of MUSA pants, and long for knickers. I 
> wear size L, which quickly sells out, alas. But I do look forward to the 
> next run of 80 pants, and will jump when they're offered. Oh, and the thin 
> woolies... sigh! There's just nothing to compare, in my opinion, for 
> cycling or backpacking.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastache on what frame?

[Minh]

David, 
Great question, i've been eyeing an albastache but unsure where you use it, 
does it replace a moustache?  an albatross?  drop bars?  


On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:17:05 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> So I've had an itch to build up an Albastache'd bike. Might be silly to 
> build up a bike only to have another handlebar option, but I'm ok with that.
> My goal is to find an older mtb as a winter project and build it up with 
> Albastache bars. 
> Assuming the bars work out for me, I'd like to swap things over to a newer 
> frameset.
>
> My question is:
> Which frame would work well with Albastache bars assuming I want a 
> semi-upright yet still a tad aggressive setup?
> As this is the Riv list, Rivendell frames obviously should be in the mix, 
> but other frame suggestions are welcomed.
>
> Ideally new bike would not overlap with current bikes/handlebar setups 
> which are:
> Riv Clem - Albatross
> Riv Redwood - drops, Nitto B132
> Black Mountain Monster Cross - drops, Nitto B132
> VO Campeur - shortened Albatross w/ inverse brake levers
>
> David
> winter project dreaming when I should be working in Chicago, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastache on what frame?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

HI David.  I have the Albastache on a late 1980's Pinarello Montello road 
bike.  It is my go-fast bike and I've come to like it very much.  It 
positions me like you described you wanted as upright but with some 
aggressive feel.  I'm thinking a Roadini or a Roadeo is in my future with 
that bar.  Enjoying the saddlebag to from you!
Chris

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:17:05 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:

> So I've had an itch to build up an Albastache'd bike. Might be silly to 
> build up a bike only to have another handlebar option, but I'm ok with that.
> My goal is to find an older mtb as a winter project and build it up with 
> Albastache bars. 
> Assuming the bars work out for me, I'd like to swap things over to a newer 
> frameset.
>
> My question is:
> Which frame would work well with Albastache bars assuming I want a 
> semi-upright yet still a tad aggressive setup?
> As this is the Riv list, Rivendell frames obviously should be in the mix, 
> but other frame suggestions are welcomed.
>
> Ideally new bike would not overlap with current bikes/handlebar setups 
> which are:
> Riv Clem - Albatross
> Riv Redwood - drops, Nitto B132
> Black Mountain Monster Cross - drops, Nitto B132
> VO Campeur - shortened Albatross w/ inverse brake levers
>
> David
> winter project dreaming when I should be working in Chicago, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I realize sagging is part of their design but when you get a saddle whose 
shirt goes from (nearly) vertical to horizontal - I have a fit problem with 
that.  Believe me, I wanted to like the saddle and am no stranger to 
leather ones.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:25:23 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
> The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* 
> to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in 
> the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be 
> happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer
>
> Also I don't know if it was mentioned but the woman who started Rivet used 
> to run SA. I purchased my first SA after speaking with her at a bike expo 
> in SF. Would highly recommend buying Rivet due to her involvement, even 
> though I don't own one.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>>
>> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather 
>> past the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model 
>> before T, X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, 
>> rode it on a week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going 
>> strong. I bought a second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather 
>> more than on the original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for 
>> either.
>>
>> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
>> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
>> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
>> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
>> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
>> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
>> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
>> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on 
>>> sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the 
>>> past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout. 
>>>  Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet 
>>> Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was 
>>> wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read 
>>> people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some 
>>> people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any 
>>> thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I am a huge fan of Compass tires.  They are my first preference on all my 
bikes although I do have some others such as tires from Panaracer, etc that 
are in the supple category.  No turning back for me from that feel.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:35:31 AM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> Building a Christmas bike for my son-in-law. Took several nights of sore 
> hands to get Compass 32mm EL mounted true on new Mavic Open Sport/105 
> wheels. He won't know the difference, but they feel as good as a skinny can.

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[BenG]

Building a Christmas bike for my son-in-law. Took several nights of sore hands 
to get Compass 32mm EL mounted true on new Mavic Open Sport/105 wheels. He 
won't know the difference, but they feel as good as a skinny can.

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[ian m]

The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* 
to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in 
the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be 
happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer

Also I don't know if it was mentioned but the woman who started Rivet used 
to run SA. I purchased my first SA after speaking with her at a bike expo 
in SF. Would highly recommend buying Rivet due to her involvement, even 
though I don't own one.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
> I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past 
> the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, 
> X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a 
> week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I bought a 
> second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather more than on the 
> original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for either.
>
> I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
> the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
> specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
> side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
> thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
> riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
> was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
> their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on 
>> sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the 
>> past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout. 
>>  Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet 
>> Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was 
>> wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read 
>> people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some 
>> people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any 
>> thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Albastache on what frame?

[David Banzer]

So I've had an itch to build up an Albastache'd bike. Might be silly to 
build up a bike only to have another handlebar option, but I'm ok with that.
My goal is to find an older mtb as a winter project and build it up with 
Albastache bars. 
Assuming the bars work out for me, I'd like to swap things over to a newer 
frameset.

My question is:
Which frame would work well with Albastache bars assuming I want a 
semi-upright yet still a tad aggressive setup?
As this is the Riv list, Rivendell frames obviously should be in the mix, 
but other frame suggestions are welcomed.

Ideally new bike would not overlap with current bikes/handlebar setups 
which are:
Riv Clem - Albatross
Riv Redwood - drops, Nitto B132
Black Mountain Monster Cross - drops, Nitto B132
VO Campeur - shortened Albatross w/ inverse brake levers

David
winter project dreaming when I should be working in Chicago, IL

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[ian m]

I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past 
the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, 
X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a 
week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I bought a 
second about 3 years ago (T model) and like the leather more than on the 
original. Haven't moved the tension bolt past halfway for either.

I'm guessing the combination of a less stiff leather than the Brooks and 
the looser hammocking shape of the saddle makes the SA work better with 
specific body shapes. People with uneven hip rotation will stretch each 
side of the saddle differently, people with thicker legs may experience 
thigh rub,  I personally never found a Brooks comfortable and after 
riding one for about a year barely noticed any breaking in whereas the SA 
was the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in right out of the box. To each 
their own, best thing you can do is try as many saddles as possible.


On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I received an email from Selle Anatomica that all their saddles were on 
> sale for $99 during the holidays.  I had thought about the X-series in the 
> past to replace my B17.  The goal was to get a saddle with a cutout. 
>  Others I had been considering were the Brooks C17 Carved and the Rivet 
> Pearl.  I like the Rivet and don't know much about the C17 carved but was 
> wondering if the SA was worth trying while it is $50-60 less.  I've read 
> people raving about the Rivet saddles here but also thought I remember some 
> people complaining about the SA saddles sagging pretty quickly.  Any 
> thoughts comparing these 3 choices?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[lum gim fong]

 I use Compass tires. They are comfortable, handle and corner extremely well, 
and give a cushy ride.

But I don't think any tire I've ever ridden (or any bike component for that 
matter) has ever made me any faster. At least that's what the bike computer 
shows. So I cannot claim that the  Compass tires , or Grand Bois tires I have 
used (Hetres, Cypres, Loups, Stampeeds, Chinooks) roll any faster than Swabby 
marathons that I've used, or armadillo tires or continental gator skins.

I do see the comfort and handling, though.

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

[Ron Mc]

I ride B17 Select on upright and semi-upright moustache bike.  I ride Rivet 
Indy on my drop-bar road bike.  
Went through two S-A saddles and each lasted 6 months to the end of the 
stretch bolt.  

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[RBW] Re: Q for fellow Blustery Bonzos...

[Deacon Patrick]

Lum Gim Fong, your deviated septum may not be material to your breathing 
issues, while over breathing may be. Try this as you sit there reading this:

1. Breathe through your nose, mouth closed, including exhale. This is your 
baseline.
2. After exhaling fully, pause. Hold your breath until just slightly 
feeling that urge to breathe. Then breathe slow and controlled through your 
nose, mouth closed. Are your sinuses more open?

I learned the Buteyko Breathing Method (nose only, except in exercise, 
normal breathing is very shallow and has a pause after full exhale of 6-10 
seconds. Exercise increases this). I learned with their book (a $2 
download). Their classes are highly 
expensive. https://www.breathingcenter.com. Also eliminated my allergies 
and acid reflux issues. Took three month to fully be comfortable, and a 
year to be able to exercise at almost any level (I just slowed down to stay 
nose breathing).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:37:27 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Wow!
> I have to mouth breathe when I ride at any speed.
> I have a deviated septum. Even sitting still at home, there is resistance 
>  breathing through the nose .

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[RBW] Re: Affordable Roadeo?--Blue Rosco-Road Frameset!

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I was thinking exactly the same thing and wondered if this might be a 
forerunner of the Roadini concept

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis

[Will]

About 15 years ago I had a fitting. Cost $150, took about an hour. The 
fitter was seriously competent. The shop sold Serottas. 

Fitting evaluations are predicated on philosophy. Serotta was go-fast. The 
fitter was spec'ing me to a go-fast bike. 

The question for you is whether you think your fitting was appropriate for 
the riding you do and will be doing over the next 10-15 years. 

If I had bought the Serotta, I would be very unhappy today. It would not 
have fenders. It would be constrained to 24mm tires. It would have been a 
really lousy all-purpose bicycle.

My advice is... take the long view... Riv isn't selling bikes to 20 year 
olds. Riv is selling bikes to people who want comfort, beauty, and quality. 

You have a beautiful Hillborne. Challenge your mental model. Get a shorter 
stem. See if it works. 


On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 7:24:21 PM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
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> eh yeah, not to start the sizing discussion again, but i've gotten fitted 
> by a good fitter, and now know my size. when riv tells me that a top tube 
> 3cm long in the top tube is OK with a stem thats 3cm shorter, i look the 
> other way.
>

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[ascpgh]

I put them on my Rambouillet this summer with the same reaction. One of the 
more astounding observations besides the ride quality is the rollout. We 
have hills around here, seldom straight, seldom of pitches recommended in 
civil engineering handbooks and more textures than most places including 
concrete, asphalt, brick, Belgian block and yes, wooden block. 

In a group of riders, me on the only ferrous framed, 36-spoked, leather 
saddled, Compass EL-tired bike, beginning a descent without a pedal stroke, 
I simply roll away from others. It was so noticeable that one rider (in his 
20s) quipped "those old guys have nothing left to live for" unable to grasp 
that such could result from better tires and that I did nothing to produce 
the difference including being heavier (my 185 lbs doesn't stand out in 
that group). 

Not only is the roll out impressive, the feel of control from suppleness 
doesn't raise concern over nearing the edge of the envelope where lesser 
rim protectors go into a sketchy ride and an interval of handling and  feel 
that makes clear that they are not happy when too many parameters challenge 
them. My Stampede Pass ELs earned their place quickly and are the simple, 
obvious decision for tires in my book. Few bits of kit are such slam dunks 
and winter moments imagining a new bike project would only take 15 minutes 
if all others were this clear.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 12:40:46 AM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> It's Christmas time and I thought that it's my turn to splurge on some 
> fancy tires. It was not a mistake. These tires rock!! My , already 
> incredible) Roadeo has entered a new level of comfort and handling.
>

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