[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Bruce d]

I, too, decided it was the time to buy a new Sam.   I had planned to wait a 
year and sell a bike, or first, or look for a used one, but I decided it was 
time to support Rivendell directly.  

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Jonathan D.]

I think a Canti-Sam would work better. The Roadini sounds great but it doesn’t 
have the room for fenders or the options with racks. The Sam is just a great 
all around bike that can go as a lightish bike or a heavier commuter. 

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[RBW] FS: Moving Sale

[mkernanwilliams]

Hey group,  Updated list,   I have some parts for sale all in great condition.  
Prices include shipping 

Sakae SX crank,  110/74 bcd, 170mm arm length . $30
White Indutries Dos hub 17/19 $80
Soma layback seatpost, silver, 27.2 $20
Paul Love levers, long pull, compact.  $90/pair
Soma Osprey Bars31.8 clamp. $25
TRP Spyke Disc calipers.  $40/pair




Please contact off list,   Thanks Mike

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/08/2018 04:40 PM, Patrick S. wrote:
Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the 
Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your 
"unbiased" opinion.


I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for 
the past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its 
geometry (higher cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). 
I carry about 10/15lbs up front


Carried "up front" how?


and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if anyone here has 
built one up and what's their experience so far?




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Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[john Bokman]

John, I’ll be most interested in hearing how the Paul Touring Cantis work for 
you. I myself have thought of getting the Paul Neo Retros, Touring, or Linear 
Pull Motolites in the past. I would definitely consider them on a new build. 
Please post your observations when you set them.
> On Jan 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, John G.  wrote:
> 
> Jock: good info! Thanks for sharing! This needs to enter Official Atlantis 
> Lore.
> 
> John: I've put two separate brake pads on my CX-70s, the stock ones and 
> Kool-Stops. Both squealed a ton. I even had them adjusted at a shop once or 
> twice, and that never seemed to work. I've had a decent number of cantis over 
> the years: Dia-Comp 960s, cheapy Tektros, IRD Cafams. The CX-70s are far and 
> away the squealiest I've ever owned. Plus, as Patrick sagely states, you need 
> at the very least 6 hands to adjust them. Double plus, I have to deflate my 
> Compass 44mms every time I take the wheel off. Now, I must also admit that I 
> could probably win a Nationwide competition on Worst Canti Adjuster.
> 
> I may see if I can use them to convert my Voyageur to 700c from 27 inches, 
> but if that doesn't work, I'll send them off to anyone who wants 'em for say 
> 25 bucks.
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
> John  I'm curious about your squealing CX-70 brakes. I use them on my Sam and 
> have found them to be quiet, and the best functioning cantilevers I've ever 
> used. Could it be your brake pads, or toe in perhaps? Having said this, I use 
> Paul center pulls on another bike, and they are also fantastic. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:-
> Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the Waterford 
> touch-up is en route. 
> 
> It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just reinforced 
> how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Roadini as commuter?

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi Patrick,

Maybe the Roadini is not a good option if you like that front load? It 
doesn't come with dedicated eyelets for a front rack, so you'll have to be 
creative in figuring out how to carry that 10-15 lbs. It does have rear 
rack eyelets, fender eyelets, and will fit most 32mm tires and a fender 
simultaneously, so there are other options that can make it work.

>From other discussions about comparing the Roadini with other models, a Sam 
would likely fill that role much better. The Sam can take that front load 
but should have similar geometry and ride characteristics that you're 
looking for. Not a Sam owner, though, so I defer to others on those points.

--Ed C.


On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 6:23:48 PM UTC-8, Patrick S. wrote:
>
> Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the 
> Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your 
> "unbiased" opinion. 
>
> I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for the 
> past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its geometry (higher 
> cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). I carry about 
> 10/15lbs up front and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if 
> anyone here has built one up and what's their experience so far?
>
> Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Fendering a Quickbeam

[Pondero]

I have cream colored longboard fenders over my 38mm Barlow Pass tires...on my 
orange 56cm Quickbeam.  Seems like a good fit to me.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[tc]

Congrats, Rod!  I love my 58 Sam.  It's just 'different', in such a good, 
reliable, 'everything just fits' way.  And, it's a beaut to look at, to 
boot.  Enjoy!

Tom

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[RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick S.]

Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the Roadini 
and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your "unbiased" 
opinion. 

I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for the 
past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its geometry (higher 
cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). I carry about 
10/15lbs up front and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if 
anyone here has built one up and what's their experience so far?

Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Stuff for sale

[somervillebikes]

Hi everyone, here's what's still available. Prices reduced!


I have a few bike items for sale. All items are new or NOS as noted. Prices 
> include CONUS shipping.
>
>- Velo Orange threadless stem, 110mm, 1-1/8", +/-6 deg. New. $25 
>shipped. (Can include a 1" to 1-1/8" shim, new, for an additional $5).
>- SRAM Rival FD, braze-on, 10-speed. New. $15 shipped.
>- Exustar E-PR101 clipless pedals. New. $25 shipped.
>
> Photos here. 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: FREE STUFF FOR SHIPPING!

[somervillebikes]

Hi everyone, here's a list of what's still available. Apologies if I have 
not replied to everyone regarding items already claimed.

Best,

Anton


>- Nashbar clipless pedals. My first foray into clipless. Work fine, 
>nothing wrong except scuffing.
>- Unknown manufacturer chromed steel 1" ball bearing headset, 
>complete. Chrome in great shape.
>
> Flat rate shipping $10 for each item.
>
> Photos here 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

Jock: good info! Thanks for sharing! This needs to enter Official Atlantis 
Lore.

John: I've put two separate brake pads on my CX-70s, the stock ones and 
Kool-Stops. Both squealed a ton. I even had them adjusted at a shop once or 
twice, and that never seemed to work. I've had a decent number of cantis 
over the years: Dia-Comp 960s, cheapy Tektros, IRD Cafams. The CX-70s are 
far and away the squealiest I've ever owned. Plus, as Patrick sagely 
states, you need at the very least 6 hands to adjust them. Double plus, I 
have to deflate my Compass 44mms every time I take the wheel off. Now, I 
must also admit that I could probably win a Nationwide competition on Worst 
Canti Adjuster.

I may see if I can use them to convert my Voyageur to 700c from 27 inches, 
but if that doesn't work, I'll send them off to anyone who wants 'em for 
say 25 bucks.



On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> John  I'm curious about your squealing CX-70 brakes. I use them on my Sam 
> and have found them to be quiet, and the best functioning cantilevers I've 
> ever used. Could it be your brake pads, or toe in perhaps? Having said 
> this, I use Paul center pulls on another bike, and they are also fantastic. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:-
>>
>> Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the 
>> Waterford touch-up is en route. 
>>
>> It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just 
>> reinforced how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John Bokman]

John  I'm curious about your squealing CX-70 brakes. I use them on my Sam 
and have found them to be quiet, and the best functioning cantilevers I've 
ever used. Could it be your brake pads, or toe in perhaps? Having said 
this, I use Paul center pulls on another bike, and they are also fantastic. 



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:-
>
> Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the 
> Waterford touch-up is en route. 
>
> It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just 
> reinforced how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, Y'all:

Yes, indeed!

I KNOW because I worked for TESTORS for nearly a quarter-century and also 
with GRANT over a period of months to get him dozens of paint samples and 
many sets of paint chips. (He will remember those early morning FED EX 
deliveries I'm quite sure.) In the early 2000s, his intention was to have 
all RIV frames painted to match TESTORS for the great convenience, 
but...alas...that morphed over time as often things do in this life.

ATLANTIS, however, was the first of the experiments and so is exactly 
TESTORS 2135. That's the story and I'm sticking to it!

So have a go and you'll be spot on. You and all the hundreds of happy / 
lucky ATLANTIS riders. 

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA (RAM rider myself)

PS: TESTORS can be found in all good hobby shop, MICHAELS craft stores, 
HOBBY LOBBY.)

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
> great now.
>
> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
> personal use.
>
> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
> some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
> salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[John Bokman]

Rod, good for you. I have two bikes, a 61cm  OAC Rambler, and a 58cm Sam. 
Both fantastic bikes; they always bring glee. Build them soon as you can!

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 1:02:42 PM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Last night I read Grant's Blahg, and these words clicked for me: "Don't 
> buy what you don't need, but also don't wait too long if it's in your 
> cards, anyway." So I ordered a 58cm Canti-Sam frameset, which joins a 59cm 
> Ocean Air Rambler F/F/HS+brakes and an old Nobilette go-fast frame and fork 
> in the winter-build queue. I guess that puts me at n+3, and I'm not sure 
> which build will come first, now, but it did seem like the time to buy a 
> Rivendell, from Rivendell.
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Christopher Murray]

"Don't get a 51.” That’s definitely an interesting line. I’d guess there is 
something different about the sizing, that they are experimenting with some 
aspect of the geometry, and/or there is some information that Rivendell wants 
anyone who buys one to know before they buy— tire clearance?, toe clip overlap? 
etc? different lugs? delivery time? H

I think I’d be a 55 but I test rode a 56 a few years back when Waterford made 
them. It was too big by the smallest amount. It perfectly didn’t fit me. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Belopsky]

What do you all make of the "Don't get a 51. News on that forthcoming but 
not here. Details later."

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[John G.]

Weird--Cumil the Peeper just sold me a Schmidt dyno light. He told me he 
gets good use of them in the tunnels of Slovakia.

Those BTO wheels all look good. They have a Cliffhanger dyno set! 



On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:10:48 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Congrats! I am also a Sam owner!

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Bob Lovejoy]

Rod,

Congrats on the decision and the future new bike!  I, too, ordered a 58cm 
Canti-Sam (black/cream though I know the sage/cream will be beautiful as 
well) and am extremely excited for the coming build and rides.  It dawned 
on me that I have loved every Rivendell I have been lucky enough to own and 
ride (Romulus, Appaloosa, Cheviot... the Romulus now sadly departed).  I 
had always told myself if I found a cantilever Sam in my size I would do my 
best to bring it home but I always thought it would a used one.  When they 
announced the latest canti versions, I knew I was going to be in trouble 
but a trouble that made me smile.

It also dawned on me that I just did not care as much as I should about 
most of the new tech and changes in the modern bikes I was looking at. 
 Cool stuff said my head, yawn and so-what said the voice inside.  I just 
love riding, exploring, and being able to successfully work on and 
experiment with the bikes I ride.  I also love having Rivendell there as a 
resource and something of a place of refuge... a "storm home" to pull from 
an old Garrison Keillor story.  We vote with our dollars and our 
decisions... Here's to the continued success of Rivendell and all of the 
small bike companies doing their best to survive in this world.  Imagine a 
world without companies like Rivendell?!   No

Anyway, congratulations!  And congratulations for all of the reasons...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Fendering a Quickbeam

[Deacon Patrick]

I second Phil’s answer, and because of it caught up with your question. Here is 
my QB with 44 Snowqualmie under fenders. Worked fine, though the fenders should 
have been broader for better coverage, and the clearences are more snug than 
I’d like.

https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/when-is-underbiking-just-biking

And here it is, same fenders with Steilacooms.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-winter-bike
and
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/where-the-sun-dont-shine

Note that knobbies and fenders are noiser.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Doug H.]

Thanks for the replies. I just order a pair.
Doug

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 2:31:56 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
> I've got two shorts, one knickers, and one pants. I like the latest design 
> of the shorts. Material is just right, pockets are properly sized (a 
> problem with the older version). I like the belt closure, too.
>
> The knickers are my favorite for cooler weather. (Too warm for 50F+, as 
> they block wind really well.)
>
> Durability of all are great. I play on the ground with my kids without a 
> worry when wearing knickers or pants. Work great for camping and wrenching 
> on the bike, too.
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:56:06 PM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
>> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
>> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
>> Doug
>
>

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[RBW] Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Carla Waugh]

Congrats! I am also a Sam owner!

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[RBW] Re: Fendering a Quickbeam

[Philip Williamson]

My Quickbeam has 52mm Velo Orange Zeppelins, and 38mm Voyageur Hypers. I 
would say the Quickbeam is easily fenderable with 38s. 

I just did a big fender refurbishment, after replacing the rear mount, and 
re-installing the front rack. 
Here is a dark set of pictures from last 
night: https://www.instagram.com/p/BdsVxA_Ff4p 

I have my fenders pinched to drop between the chainstays for about 6 inches 
of below-the-stay chain coverage. That restricts maximum clearance there a 
bit. If you don't do that, you should be fine. I don't know how much the 
Steilacoom knobbies stick out, though. I've often run a gap at the back, 
for ease of removing the wheel or changing the gear, but I set it up with a 
decent fenderline this time. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-8, christian poppell wrote:
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> Hi Gang,
>
> After being relegated to only one bicycle because of rain (woe is me) I'm 
> looking for suggestions on fendering my Quickbeam. Currently I have Compass 
> Steliacooms mounted (700x38c). It seems like the chainstays have the least 
> clearance. Anyone using something of the same width under fenders? Mounting 
> tips and tricks? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Rod Holland]

Last night I read Grant's Blahg, and these words clicked for me: "Don't buy 
what you don't need, but also don't wait too long if it's in your cards, 
anyway." So I ordered a 58cm Canti-Sam frameset, which joins a 59cm Ocean 
Air Rambler F/F/HS+brakes and an old Nobilette go-fast frame and fork in 
the winter-build queue. I guess that puts me at n+3, and I'm not sure which 
build will come first, now, but it did seem like the time to buy a 
Rivendell, from Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Deacon Patrick]

I have no idea, Kai. Mine is well over five years old. It is iPhone specific in 
size, so I’d presume the small?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Fendering a Quickbeam

[Deacon Patrick]

Christian, I’m too dim to follow your question. I run the Steilacooms on my QB, 
without fenders. If I decide I need fenders at some point, I plan to try 
Compasses for the width of coverage.

The trick with the QB is to spread proper chainline so it leaves room for the 
tire to slide forward and back in different gears. Looks a bit off, but 
functions very well.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Fendering a Quickbeam

[christian poppell]

Hi Gang,

After being relegated to only one bicycle because of rain (woe is me) I'm 
looking for suggestions on fendering my Quickbeam. Currently I have Compass 
Steliacooms mounted (700x38c). It seems like the chainstays have the least 
clearance. Anyone using something of the same width under fenders? Mounting 
tips and tricks? 

Thanks,

Christian
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Kainalu V.]

Patrick, big or small gorillapod? I've broken enough smalls to never look back 
after my big gorillapod purchase this last summer. Not that it's huge, but it 
seems like it's going to last versus the fiddlyness of the smalls.
-Kai 
BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Deacon Patrick]

I despise them for the constant leg/fabric on fabric sound. Great salesman that 
I am (sardonic grin), I have a large (21.5” long) Frost River Trezona if anyone 
is interested in trying it. Mounted on the bike and ridden a few hundred yards, 
so near new condition. $75 shipped. PM me if interested.
https://www.frostriver.com/shop/what-s-new/trezona-trail-top-tube-bike-bag/

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Philip Kim]

Used the fairweather half frame bag. carried my pump, tools, wallet, 
cellphone, spare tube on a regular basis. on a few overnights i used, it 
held my hammock, and sleeping pad along with some tools.

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 11:55:52 AM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> I'm contemplating adding a small frame bag (top tube bag) to my 55 cm Sam. 
> The idea would be to generally replace my Acorn transverse seat bag for 
> standard rides, and to offer more capacity for bike camping and overnights. 
> I would expect that the frame bag would live on the bike full time. I like 
> the smaller frame bag to allow continued use of full-size water bottles.
>
> Revelate looks good for off the shelf, but Rogue Panda offers custom jobs 
> at very competitive price. Oveja Negra also looks quite nice. Anybody have 
> real-world, day-to-day experience with a frame bag on their Riv?
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ocean Air Cycles Docena Bag (Mk I)

[S. Greco]

I have one that I've been just about to post for sale for some weeks. Just 
haven't gotten around to taking photos of it. 
It is a Mk I. It is grey with the blue piping. I'll snap some photos 
tonight and send them over.

It's very lightly used. I'd love to get like $220 shipped. If I'm way off 
the mark let me know.

It truly is a superbly designed bag.



On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> [cross post from iBOB]
>
> Looking for an Ocean Air Cycles Docena bag in the original production (Mk 
> I) configuration:
>
> https://store.oceanaircycles.com/products/docena-demi-porteur-bag
>
> I will consider any condition, and in fact, the beat-er, the better-er, as 
> I'm not actually sure this bag will work with my setup (hence why I am 
> hesitant to pony up for an as-new model).
>
> Color preferences are harlequin or camo, but I'll consider anything so 
> long as it is sound and intact.
>
> I have so much good stuff to trade it's borderline disgusting, so feel 
> free to give me a wish list if you feel like working outside the 
> wallet-based economy.
>
> That being said, if cash is want you want, please let me know how much 
> would make you happy, including shipping to ZIP 90064.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Doug,
I've got two shorts, one knickers, and one pants. I like the latest design 
of the shorts. Material is just right, pockets are properly sized (a 
problem with the older version). I like the belt closure, too.

The knickers are my favorite for cooler weather. (Too warm for 50F+, as 
they block wind really well.)

Durability of all are great. I play on the ground with my kids without a 
worry when wearing knickers or pants. Work great for camping and wrenching 
on the bike, too.

Good luck!
shoji



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> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[drew]

I use a half wedge frame bag from roadrunner bags that doesnt monopolize 
too much space. i keep a water bladder/straw in it that is the same size as 
a nalgene. that way i can get to the water easier while riding and can use 
a water bottle for keeping food/alcohol in. 

https://roadrunnerbags.us/collections/bike-packing/products/wedge


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Re: [RBW] MUSA Shorts

[Steven Sweedler]

Doug, I bought a second pair, I liked the first so much, but I did not like
the elastic belt and replaced it on both pair with webbing that was not
elastic. Steve

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:56 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for
> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to
> hear some feedback. Thanks,
> Doug
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[RBW] FS: Moving sale, nice part

[Andrew Huston]

Tried a PM on the brakes. Not sure it got thru. 

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[RBW] MUSA Shorts

[Doug H.]

I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
hear some feedback. Thanks,
Doug

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Re: [RBW] frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Howard Hatten]

I used this revelate bag last year on my tour. After two weeks it was getting 
old fishing the water bottle out from under. 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/136422809@N08/6zMXBY

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Tim Gavin]

Although I haven't used them on my Riv (it has a front randonneur bag), I
use frame bags on my four other bikes.  On each bike, the frame bag is the
one that stays on permanently and holds the flat kit and tools.
Frame bags are great options, especially on bikes that lack eyelets for
racks.  And they're a nice addition to a bike even with a full bag
component; they are convenient to access while riding.

I have the most experience with Revelate products; I have small, medium,
and large Tangle frame bags, as well as Harness and Sweet Roll front bags.
Revelate stuff is well-made and relatively easily available (from REI, for
example).
My only complaint with Revelate is the zipper failed on my first medium
Tangle, and Revelate only honors a 1-year replacement plan.  They gave me a
good price on a leftover-stock Tangle, but I felt they could have done
better.  FYI, they use higher quality zippers now which aren't nearly as
failure-prone.

I do recommend that you avoid over-loading any zippered bag; it can really
stress out the zipper.

I also have a Ruthworks SF half-frame bag, custom-ordered by another
listmember who had the exact same frame.  That bag is more sturdily made,
of canvas instead of the ripstop synthetic fabric that Revelate uses.  It
is very nice, but I've put less than 200 miles on that bike since so I
can't speak to its durability (though I assume it will last a very long
time).


Before you purchase, I suggest you measure, measure, measure.  A too-large
bag will sag, but a too-small bag may leave gaps or not have long-enough
straps.


Consider the Wolftooth B-RAD
 or Shimano
SM-BA01

to lower your bottle cages.  You may be able to fit two bottles beneath
your frame bag; though the one on the seat tube may have to be a 16 oz
shorty bottle.
By using cage adapters, I can fit two full size bottles beneath the
Revelate Tangle bag on my 59 cm Foundry Auger.

Also consider side-entry bottle cages.  They make it easier to get your
water bottle out without shoving it up into the bottom of your frame bag.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Neil Doran  wrote:

> I'm contemplating adding a small frame bag (top tube bag) to my 55 cm Sam.
> The idea would be to generally replace my Acorn transverse seat bag for
> standard rides, and to offer more capacity for bike camping and overnights.
> I would expect that the frame bag would live on the bike full time. I like
> the smaller frame bag to allow continued use of full-size water bottles.
>
> Revelate looks good for off the shelf, but Rogue Panda offers custom jobs
> at very competitive price. Oveja Negra also looks quite nice. Anybody have
> real-world, day-to-day experience with a frame bag on their Riv?
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[RBW] FS: 46cm Appaloosa complete bike $1800

[Christopher Wiggins]

I've still got a 46cm Appaloosa that really needs to find a home.  It's a 
complete in the Butternut color.  These bikes came with bullmoose Choco 
bars, saddle and plastic pedals.  $1800 plus $100 shipping anywhere in the 
lower 48.  Help me find this Joe it's forever home!  

Chris Wiggins
Owner
A1 Cyclery
Indianapolis IN

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[RBW] frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Neil Doran]

I'm contemplating adding a small frame bag (top tube bag) to my 55 cm Sam. 
The idea would be to generally replace my Acorn transverse seat bag for 
standard rides, and to offer more capacity for bike camping and overnights. 
I would expect that the frame bag would live on the bike full time. I like 
the smaller frame bag to allow continued use of full-size water bottles.

Revelate looks good for off the shelf, but Rogue Panda offers custom jobs 
at very competitive price. Oveja Negra also looks quite nice. Anybody have 
real-world, day-to-day experience with a frame bag on their Riv?

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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Itsmybagel]

Thanks Patrick. Now I want to get a Gorillapod.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I only ride me 65” gear (40t x 17t) and find it perfect for this 
> terrain. Lots of posting and honking, with a wee bit of coffee and pipe. 
> Grin. Now, if only we’d get so much snow that I can’t ride these trails 
> till May!
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/playing-on-the-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with 38mm knobbies (Compass Steilacooms)

[Tim Gavin]

Data point:  I'm 255# and have no problems with pinch flats on 38 mm tires
at 35-45 psi.  That's on mostly gravel, with some rooty singletrack, a
couple cyclocross races, and "sending it" over curbs and such.  I do not
ride lightly.

However, when I added a 20# s24o load, I raised the tire pressures to 45/55
out of caution.  I say start with a higher pressure (like 45/55 f/r), and
then drop it little by little til you find the sweet spot.  And bring a
couple spare tubes, as I'm sure you usually do.

I have both Barlow Pass and Steilacoom tires to try on my bike, but they're
waiting for my current Challenge Gravel Grinders (120 tpi) to wear out.
Iowa gets a melt and refreeze this week, so the Compass tires may have to
wait for me to try out some 45Nrth Gravdal (studded) tires first.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That is interesting. I am about to, or pondering being about to (and
> wincing at the infelicitous syntax of that last clause) swap out 51 mm F
> Freds for labeled 2.35 Big Ones on the Matthews; which is somewhat
> problematical 'cause you can't just swap 'em out when they're all tubeless
> as you can when they're all tubed. The main reason for the swap is better
> float on our sand, and better rolling resistance -- shoulda said "lower"
> rolling resistance; but a 3d hoped for improvement is handling, given what
> I've repeatedly read is the pneumatically (Huxlean sense, as in "soft,
> round, and bouncing"; wincing at the possibly perceived salaciousness of it
> all) round profile of the Big One, compared to the more squarish profile of
> the F Fred. But if skinnier tires mean better handling on some frames --
> that's another carcase to toss into the soup (wincing at the metaphor).
>
> I suppose one day, one just has to man up, gird his metaphorical loins,
> and just try it out hisself. Which I will do. I think. At any rate, I did
> get a good deal ($100 shipped for the pair) for a non-used, non-mounted,
> but previously purchased, pair of BOs.
>
> Anyway, good luck with Compass cyclocross tires and fixed and loads and
> cold weather.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> ... My best description is what I wrote in the first post: “Tracking and
>> smoothness of handling is noticeably improved.”
>>
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tc]

Gotcha.  The memory of riding SS mountain bikes a couple of years ago at 
the US Whitewater center in Charlotte NC (what a blast) was the trigger 
that caused me to start thinking about this t ole SS thing.  Though my 
riding will be on paved greenways and roads 90% of the time, I agree that a 
different approach is required -- but thankfully it becomes natural after a 
very short time -- which is part of the point -- and I hope -- more fun -- 
less thinking, more doing.

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 10:36:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> + 1. You're not going to make it up a lot of hills with just a wider bar; 
> you have to adjust your climbing method and tempo and, if you do that, your 
> regular bar will be just right.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> ... I’d say to ride what you like on geared bikes.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tc]

Brian, much appreciated. Yep, looking at your pics and estimating the 
albastaches' dimensions, I think no changes would be needed in the 
beginning just to test'em out, if I go that route.

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 8:28:46 PM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> Attaching a pic showing the cable routing after going from drop to 
> butterfly.  Never uploaded a pic here before so sorry if it doesn’t come 
> through of if it’s too big (if so I’ll delete the post) 
> Brian Cole
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[RBW] Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Paul Y]

Beautiful post Patrick, inspires me to dive ever deeper into the essence of how 
I experience cycling. Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[ascpgh]

Just enjoying your narration and pictures after 3 days/40 hours at work. 
Very relaxing and vicariously rewarding. Looks tropical from the last few 
weeks' weather here.

Andy Cheatham
(Quietly accumulating my experience with my new red Hilltrek Hybrid Ventile 
Braemar smock, but haven't had motivation yet to photograph my commuting)
Pittsburgh
 
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I only ride me 65” gear (40t x 17t) and find it perfect for this 
> terrain. Lots of posting and honking, with a wee bit of coffee and pipe. 
> Grin. Now, if only we’d get so much snow that I can’t ride these trails 
> till May!
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/playing-on-the-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, thank you for sharing your continuing evolution riding fixed gear. 
> I find your observations to be interesting, helpful and inspiring. The 
> accompanying photos are very well done and a real pleasure to peruse. 
>
-Marc 

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