[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Bill Lindsay]

Sorry about that.  It should be set to "Public" now.

BL

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 9:10:44 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:

> Hey Bill,
>
> Seems like your Rodini album is not public.  The link showed me '403 Not 
> found'
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 20 September 2018 20:22:33 UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Short answer:
>>
>> I like my Roadini very much.  
>>
>>
>> TL/DR answer:
>> I got started cycling in the Summer of 1982.  I was 13, between 7th and 
>> 8th grade.  I was hero-worshipping two friends from church. Kirk was my age 
>> and Keith was one year older. The three of us all saved up and bought bikes 
>> around the same time and we were all kind of a mini-club in 
>> ourselves. Whatever one of us did, all of us did. We didn't read any 
>> magazines really, and there certainly was nothing cycling related on TV or 
>> in the newspaper. My parents didn't know anything about it. Anything I knew 
>> was what Keith and Kirk told me or what they told me at Village 
>> Schwinn. That early 80s period is one that I still think of as a golden age 
>> for cycling. Japan was fully in their stride manufacturing spectacular 
>> quality components up and down the price spectrum. There were sensational 
>> lugged steel frames from Japan and the USA, and the 'racing' models were 
>> squeezed into the corner where they belong. There were also some awesome 
>> touring and camping models, but the healthy middle from ~$300 to ~$800 was 
>> a luscious spread of sport-touring machines. I saved up and bought the $320 
>> Univega Sportour, which was the cheapest Univega with 700c wheels. It was 
>> "gunmetal grey". I used it to get around everywhere, and took it on 20-50 
>> mile rides all around Orange County. When I started high school, they bused 
>> my Yorba Linda neighborhood across three towns to a school in Fullerton. I 
>> couldn't stand the bus, so after 1 week of that mess, I rode every single 
>> day, 7 miles each way, on that bike. I bought a Blackburn Low Rider for it 
>> and ran some small panniers and did overnighters with Kirk and/or 
>> Keith. Later in the 1980s I started working at Village Schwinn and got into 
>> the wanna-be racer stuff, with Jock Boyer, Alexi Grewal, Davis Phinney and 
>> Greg Lemond, etc. My Grilver Leo is the return back to that Univega 
>> Sportour, an all purpose road bike that I can take on any road ride a 
>> normal person could ever want to take a road bike on. It's a decidedly 
>> sporty, athletic, sport touring machine. If your cycling never involves 
>> pinning an actual number to your jersey, you aren't a racer. The Leo is all 
>> the road bike any non-racer would ever need. 
>>
>> This should be a link to my build-photo:  FLICKR LINK 
>> 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> 57cm Grilver Leo
>> 75.5cm Saddle Height
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:59:52 PM UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a 
>>> Sam that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on 
>>> more of a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now 
>>> running racks and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a 
>>> bike to fill the role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.
>>>
>>> The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
>>> amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
>>> Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
>>> impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
>>> recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
>>> (relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

No motor! I just sold all my e-stuff..I don't need it as much since moving off 
that giant hill this year, and I needed to get back to "just riding" and get in 
better shape. I still like it and will probably have another ebike again, but 
not right now. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Ash]

Hey Bill,

Seems like your Rodini album is not public.  The link showed me '403 Not 
found'



On Thursday, 20 September 2018 20:22:33 UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Short answer:
>
> I like my Roadini very much.  
>
>
> TL/DR answer:
> I got started cycling in the Summer of 1982.  I was 13, between 7th and 
> 8th grade.  I was hero-worshipping two friends from church. Kirk was my age 
> and Keith was one year older. The three of us all saved up and bought bikes 
> around the same time and we were all kind of a mini-club in 
> ourselves. Whatever one of us did, all of us did. We didn't read any 
> magazines really, and there certainly was nothing cycling related on TV or 
> in the newspaper. My parents didn't know anything about it. Anything I knew 
> was what Keith and Kirk told me or what they told me at Village 
> Schwinn. That early 80s period is one that I still think of as a golden age 
> for cycling. Japan was fully in their stride manufacturing spectacular 
> quality components up and down the price spectrum. There were sensational 
> lugged steel frames from Japan and the USA, and the 'racing' models were 
> squeezed into the corner where they belong. There were also some awesome 
> touring and camping models, but the healthy middle from ~$300 to ~$800 was 
> a luscious spread of sport-touring machines. I saved up and bought the $320 
> Univega Sportour, which was the cheapest Univega with 700c wheels. It was 
> "gunmetal grey". I used it to get around everywhere, and took it on 20-50 
> mile rides all around Orange County. When I started high school, they bused 
> my Yorba Linda neighborhood across three towns to a school in Fullerton. I 
> couldn't stand the bus, so after 1 week of that mess, I rode every single 
> day, 7 miles each way, on that bike. I bought a Blackburn Low Rider for it 
> and ran some small panniers and did overnighters with Kirk and/or 
> Keith. Later in the 1980s I started working at Village Schwinn and got into 
> the wanna-be racer stuff, with Jock Boyer, Alexi Grewal, Davis Phinney and 
> Greg Lemond, etc. My Grilver Leo is the return back to that Univega 
> Sportour, an all purpose road bike that I can take on any road ride a 
> normal person could ever want to take a road bike on. It's a decidedly 
> sporty, athletic, sport touring machine. If your cycling never involves 
> pinning an actual number to your jersey, you aren't a racer. The Leo is all 
> the road bike any non-racer would ever need. 
>
> This should be a link to my build-photo:  FLICKR LINK 
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> 57cm Grilver Leo
> 75.5cm Saddle Height
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:59:52 PM UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a 
>> Sam that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on 
>> more of a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now 
>> running racks and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a 
>> bike to fill the role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.
>>
>> The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
>> amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
>> Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
>> impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
>> recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
>> (relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Bill Lindsay]

Short answer:

I like my Roadini very much.  


TL/DR answer:
I got started cycling in the Summer of 1982.  I was 13, between 7th and 8th 
grade.  I was hero-worshipping two friends from church. Kirk was my age and 
Keith was one year older. The three of us all saved up and bought bikes 
around the same time and we were all kind of a mini-club in 
ourselves. Whatever one of us did, all of us did. We didn't read any 
magazines really, and there certainly was nothing cycling related on TV or 
in the newspaper. My parents didn't know anything about it. Anything I knew 
was what Keith and Kirk told me or what they told me at Village 
Schwinn. That early 80s period is one that I still think of as a golden age 
for cycling. Japan was fully in their stride manufacturing spectacular 
quality components up and down the price spectrum. There were sensational 
lugged steel frames from Japan and the USA, and the 'racing' models were 
squeezed into the corner where they belong. There were also some awesome 
touring and camping models, but the healthy middle from ~$300 to ~$800 was 
a luscious spread of sport-touring machines. I saved up and bought the $320 
Univega Sportour, which was the cheapest Univega with 700c wheels. It was 
"gunmetal grey". I used it to get around everywhere, and took it on 20-50 
mile rides all around Orange County. When I started high school, they bused 
my Yorba Linda neighborhood across three towns to a school in Fullerton. I 
couldn't stand the bus, so after 1 week of that mess, I rode every single 
day, 7 miles each way, on that bike. I bought a Blackburn Low Rider for it 
and ran some small panniers and did overnighters with Kirk and/or 
Keith. Later in the 1980s I started working at Village Schwinn and got into 
the wanna-be racer stuff, with Jock Boyer, Alexi Grewal, Davis Phinney and 
Greg Lemond, etc. My Grilver Leo is the return back to that Univega 
Sportour, an all purpose road bike that I can take on any road ride a 
normal person could ever want to take a road bike on. It's a decidedly 
sporty, athletic, sport touring machine. If your cycling never involves 
pinning an actual number to your jersey, you aren't a racer. The Leo is all 
the road bike any non-racer would ever need. 

This should be a link to my build-photo:  FLICKR LINK 


Bill Lindsay
57cm Grilver Leo
75.5cm Saddle Height
El Cerrito, CA 

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:59:52 PM UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:

> I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a Sam 
> that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on more of 
> a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now running racks 
> and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a bike to fill the 
> role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.
>
> The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
> amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
> Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
> impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
> recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
> (relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'll follow up this comment with an experience with my wife's Betty Foy.  I
bought the bike for her and was picking it up at RBW.  I didn't have a
kickstand on any bike, so I didn't get one with the Betty Foy.  The first
thing I do is lean in on a pole so I can get ready to load it into the car,
and sure enough it slips and scratches the paint in two places.  Boy did I
feel horrible and my wife was MAD!  I beat her bike up before leaving the
parking lot, ugh!  I did learn my lesson and I baby my bikes now when I can
:).

Toshi


On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:55 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> My opinion about a Joe Bell paint job is that I put a kickstand plate on
> my custom and use a kickstand on my bike (except on 600k+ rides) so I can
> protect the paint!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: comparison: Marathon vs Compass

[scott minor]

I’ve been running marathon 700 x 38 on my cheviot for some time, ultra smooth 
riding.  But my wife’s enthusiasm w her 650b x 48 panaracers got me curious 
about extra cush so I’m trying out some Soma Vitesee 700 x 48 which are lighter 
and more pliable than the marathons.  I’m really enjoying the speed and feel of 
the Somas in general.  The one thing I immediately miss about the Marathons 
though, and being a sound sensitive person (I’m a recording engineer), is the  
s i l e n c e of the Marathons.  The 48’s are louder but somehow feel faster.  
I’ll give it some time but I’m now trying to get a feel for how important it is 
to me to have a quiet tire.  lightness and ease vs silence, to me that’s a 
tough one.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Justin, Oakland]

His other ads make me think he knows exactly what he has. Woweee. Most 
aren’t my style but dang if they aren’t pretty. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[iamkeith]

Chuck Davis found and posted this on the iBOB list:

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2018/09/19/first-time-exhibitor-rivendell-showing-new-model-designed-dirt?utm_source=Bicycle+Retailer+Newletters_campaign=df09eb9f68-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_18_06_20_COPY_01_medium=email_term=0_bbd0ac46d2-df09eb9f68-29057867#.W6RWOHRMHqB

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[iamkeith]

Agree it is probably an honest mistake regarding the year.  For the record, I 
also don't have an issue with a well-worn paint job.  It's just that this 
particular level of abuse would seem to indicate a sub-$1,000 bike.  For the 
appropriate price, I'd gladly ride the heck out of that thing.  It would be 
liberating, in fact. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Roadini

[tc]

Very nice...and it looks so good without a motor 

Also, nice you found a host for that  bullmoose. I remember your saying the 
upward angle didn’t feel right on other bike with steeper HT angles. 

Tom

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[RBW] New Roadeo (to me)

[tc]

Very sharp bike, Lum!  Congrats - looks like you found what you’ve been after 
:-)

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[ascpgh]

That's why I use "beausavage" to describe the patina of long term use of my 
Rambouillet. 

"Beausage" is just too delicate to include all of what my bike has 
experienced, not all of it pretty. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Glad so many of y’all are curating your bikes and keeping them pristine. I 
> really appreciate it when I buy ‘em used!
>
> As for me? When I’m on a brevet and hit a control the bike is getting 
> leaned against whatever is quick and handy as long as it won’t damage the 
> metal bits. Part of the reason I went with a powder coat on my custom is 
> durability: I consider it a protective layer just as much as an aesthetic 
> feature. 
>
> I figure when the powder coat gets awful that’s my cue to pick a new color!
>
> Now, my vintage bikes with their original finish? That’s a whole different 
> ballgame. I don’t like to rest ‘em on anything but a bike stand. 
>
> I should probably own fewer vintage bikes. 
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:13 AM Justin, Oakland  > wrote:
>
>> Whenever I see a bike without chips, flecks or stickers on it I’m curious 
>> if the rider does more than just ride it out the door and do loops and then 
>> come back again. No shame in that game if that’s what you I just can’t 
>> imagine making it through riding a fire road, locking up, taking it on a 
>> train, in a car or anywhere without some chips and such happening.
>>
>> -J
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Ryan M.]

When you order a Roadeo frame you can request downtube bosses be added. I 
opted not to have them on mine since I knew I would be running index 
brifters all the time.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:06:08 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
> into the build.
>
> (As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter 
> bosses. Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one 
> would?)
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] FS: Marks Hub Area rack (no loop) and olive green HAR bags

[phil k]

Hello, 

Selling marks Hub area rack and corresponding bags in olive green. 

I bought from fellow Lister for my commute. However, I decided to rent a locker 
at my office to store my work clothes so I haven't been able to use it. It's in 
very good condition.

Selling what I paid for it - $250 shipped.

Thanks

Phil in Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[sameness]

For sure. He or she's been selling a ton of cool and/or collectible bikes 
over the last couple of months, pretty sure this was an honest mistake.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 4:31:58 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> If the date is in fact wrong (I have no knowledge of the minutiae you are 
> pointing out here), I suspect he may be just mistaken or mixed up rather 
> than being purposely deceptive.
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If the date is in fact wrong (I have no knowledge of the minutiae you are 
pointing out here), I suspect he may be just mistaken or mixed up rather 
than being purposely deceptive. First of all, I don't see how that would 
benefit him. It's not like it would be more valuable because it's a "newer" 
2008 model.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> You know, looking at it again, I kind of think the seller is full of bull. 
>  In addition to the crown being strange, I haven't seen those dropouts used 
> on a riv since the late 90's.  The decals are older style, too.  Add in the 
> amount of use that thing has seen - especially for a guy with that many 
> bikes - and I'd bet anything that it's a 1998, not a 2008.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>
*"I don't know, Joe. How are you supposed to treat a paint job?"*

*Answer: Better than leaning a custom bike on light poles like it's a 
beater fixie. We all get chips and nicks, but this bike looks like it's 
been ridden much longer than 10 years, and by someone who doesn't know what 
it is.*

Well, of course, we don't have any idea if this bike has ever been leaned 
against a pole. And I think even this guy (who rattled off a whole list of 
fancy steel machines, btw) knows that it is a bicycle!


I don't think anyone here is advocating "abusing" a bike, or purposely 
treating it poorly. And I get that some folks like to baby their 
possessions. I'll use the back wheel to lean, or the seat, before resting 
the top tube against a pole, but mostly because I'd prefer not to get a 
ding in the metal. Y'all would probably hate the majority of my bikes, 
which have varying degrees of beausage. Once or twice I contemplated 
painting a bicycle, but the original finish, with fades and scratches and 
battle scars and what have you, always wins me over. To each his own!


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Don Compton]

Some Roadeo's have downtube shifter bosses. My Roadeo has them.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 4:06:08 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
> into the build.
>
> (As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter 
> bosses. Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one 
> would?)
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[sameness]

That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
into the build.

(As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter bosses. 
Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one would?)

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] New Roadeo (to me)

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya. Now that I've been tooling around on my Roadini a few weeks, I'm 
thinking I would LOVE a Roadeo. 

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[RBW] New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

53cm  Roadeo

Bought the frame from lister. Built it up.
Usual Rivish component stuff.
Also:
40cm Nitto M151F bar.
SONdeluxwidebody/Pacenti Brevet/Sapim Race spokes/VO rear Touring hub 700c 
wheels.
GB Cypress tires

Way easier to pedal down the road than any other Rivbike I have owned. Very 
fast and doesn't bog down on hills. Just keeps its momentum nicely.
If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and 
just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.

Pics:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpG4rwT
Enjoy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman]

Justin
I did. And obviously I wasn't told the truth and wasn't informed it would
be 5 more weeks.
I have been more than patient.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 4:39 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Thanks Ash
> It's been 8 weeks since I ordered.
> 3 weeks after I ordered she said they were being completed and would be
> shipping soon and she would let me know when they ship.
> Haven't heard from her since
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 4:32 PM Ash  wrote:
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>>
>> Yes.  I had emailed them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 September 2018 14:45:17 UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central
>> Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Ash
>>> Did you initiate the email?
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 3:28 PM Ash  wrote:
>>>
 Finally heard back.  They said it will ship 'soon', but no ETA in the
 email.  I'm in no rush.  Glad that they replied back.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Ash
It's been 8 weeks since I ordered.
3 weeks after I ordered she said they were being completed and would be
shipping soon and she would let me know when they ship.
Haven't heard from her since
Jon

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 4:32 PM Ash  wrote:

>
> Yes.  I had emailed them.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 20 September 2018 14:45:17 UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Ash
>> Did you initiate the email?
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 3:28 PM Ash  wrote:
>>
>>> Finally heard back.  They said it will ship 'soon', but no ETA in the
>>> email.  I'm in no rush.  Glad that they replied back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:00:38 UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:

 Have you emailed them and asked for an update?

 -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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Yup. I just think it’s only fair to email and ask for information if you want 
it.

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Ash]

Yes.  I had emailed them.



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> Ash
> Did you initiate the email?
> Jon
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> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 3:28 PM Ash > wrote:
>
>> Finally heard back.  They said it will ship 'soon', but no ETA in the 
>> email.  I'm in no rush.  Glad that they replied back.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:00:38 UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: comparison: Marathon vs Compass

[dougP]

"Or maybe there is something to Jan's theory that bigger tires at low 
pressure get fewer flats since they can deform around road debris without 
puncturing."

I call this the "balloon effect".  If a balloon is inflated to nearly 
bursting, it takes very little deformation to burst.  OTH, if a balloon is 
inflated to much lower pressure, one can push a finger into it quite a ways 
before it bursts.  

dougP

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>
> I did a similar swap recently--I'd been riding the light-ish Schwalbes 
> (Kojaks and Marathon Supremes) on my LHT for a couple of years. Earlier 
> this year, I swapped in a pair of 700x42 Soma Supple Vitesse EX's, prior to 
> a long two day ride where a bit of extra speed would come in handy. 
> Honestly, no surprises on the ride front--they have definitely been faster 
> and at least as cushy, if not more, than the Schwalbes. What has been 
> surprising is the flat resistance--so far, no flats (I put them on in late 
> March). I did put ~2oz of Stan's sealant in each tube when installing them, 
> so maybe that helped. Or maybe there is something to Jan's theory that 
> bigger tires at low pressure get fewer flats since they can deform around 
> road debris without puncturing. I definitely haven't changed my riding 
> habits, and commute on this bike a lot. It's definitely ridden through a 
> few patches of broken glass and debris that I haven't been able to avoid. 
>
> We'll see how they fare as they wear, but so far I'm enjoying them after 
> being a #supple skeptic for a while.
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 5:19:41 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Those of you who know me know how much I hate flats & like chubby tires.  
>> For many years now, I've been a big proponent of the Schwalbe Marathon 
>> Supreme as a nice balance between heft & performance.  The development of 
>> wider, supple tires seemed an interesting option.  When Compass began 
>> offering larger sizes, and Jan wrote about numerous off pavement 
>> adventures, it seemed like something worth considering. But the $160 for a 
>> bikesworth put me off a bit.  A while back, I got a pair of used Snoqualmie 
>> Pass Extralights from a list member.  This allowed me to do a back to back 
>> comparison to see what all the excitement was about.  
>>
>> Well, the results are in & I'm impressed by the real difference in ride 
>> and performance.  For ages, I've run 700 x 40 Marathon Supremes on Mavic 
>> A-719 rims.  They measure an actual 40 mm @ 50 psi, and the advertised 
>> weight is 490 grams, at a retail price (non-tubeless) of $76.
>>
>> I've been running Marathon Mondials for the last few months.  They are 
>> noticeably harsher riding and slower to roll up to speed than the Supremes, 
>> as you might guess from their advertised weight of 650 grams.  They measure 
>> 40 mm, same as the Supremes.  Current retail on Schwalbe's site is $84.  
>>
>> Switching from the Mondials to the Snoqualmie Pass Extralight was a 
>> revelation.  Smoother, softer ride and much quicker pickup from a stop.  
>> Compass claims 329 grams, and they measure 43 mm @ 50 psi on the A719 
>> rims.  I will need to do some serious thinking when these wear out.
>>
>> The big unknown is flat resistance.  I don't mind the odd flat from time 
>> to time, but I recall the days of light tires that seemed to constantly 
>> flat that lead to my aversion of the chore of fixing.  These days, my 
>> riding is mostly on paved roads that are in good condition so it's a pretty 
>> easy on tires, and it's unlikely I'll do any more major tours.  As long as 
>> the flat issue is under control, I'll be looking at Compass for my next 
>> pair.
>>
>> dougP  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman]

Justin
Is that meant for me?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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Not speaking for Ash but if you want info, ask for info. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Eric Floden]

90% of my podsing are BBC, ABC, & CBC. Excellent stuff...

Another resource
http://www.publicradiofan.com

EricF
Listening

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>
> I quit cable in 2012 and rarely miss it. I watch no tv and a movie maybe
> once a month. Maybe not even. As a result, I’m on track to make my 2018 52
> books in one year New Year’s Resolution. Podcasts and books are where it’s
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman]

Ash
Did you initiate the email?
Jon



On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 3:28 PM Ash  wrote:

> Finally heard back.  They said it will ship 'soon', but no ETA in the
> email.  I'm in no rush.  Glad that they replied back.
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Ash, there is NO GOING BACK. You are so very right. What are your top 3? 

I quit cable in 2012 and rarely miss it. I watch no tv and a movie maybe once a 
month. Maybe not even. As a result, I’m on track to make my 2018 52 books in 
one year New Year’s Resolution. Podcasts and books are where it’s at! 

Glad I’m in such good company!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Ash]

Finally heard back.  They said it will ship 'soon', but no ETA in the 
email.  I'm in no rush.  Glad that they replied back.



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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Ash]

A big podcast junkie here!  

I think podcasts make up probably 90% of the media I 'consume' ever since 
said goodbye to cable.  There's no going back!  Overcast is the podcast app 
I use.

Bike Shop Radio has been subscribed to.  Thanks!



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> And today, A1 Cyclery (another Rivendell dealer) posted their first 
> episode of their new podcast “The Psychic Derailleur.” It’s a movement!

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[RBW] Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[RichS]

Leah, thanks for the heads up on the podcasts. Visited 718 Cycles on my last 
visit to Brooklyn. Cool shop and nice folks!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] comparison: Marathon vs Compass

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One removes the valve. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] comparison: Marathon vs Compass

[ian m]

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Compass ELs + Orange Seal in tubes = best of both worlds.
>

How does one get orange seal into a tube without clogging the valve? 

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[RBW] Re: comparison: Marathon vs Compass

[Jeremy Till]

I did a similar swap recently--I'd been riding the light-ish Schwalbes 
(Kojaks and Marathon Supremes) on my LHT for a couple of years. Earlier 
this year, I swapped in a pair of 700x42 Soma Supple Vitesse EX's, prior to 
a long two day ride where a bit of extra speed would come in handy. 
Honestly, no surprises on the ride front--they have definitely been faster 
and at least as cushy, if not more, than the Schwalbes. What has been 
surprising is the flat resistance--so far, no flats (I put them on in late 
March). I did put ~2oz of Stan's sealant in each tube when installing them, 
so maybe that helped. Or maybe there is something to Jan's theory that 
bigger tires at low pressure get fewer flats since they can deform around 
road debris without puncturing. I definitely haven't changed my riding 
habits, and commute on this bike a lot. It's definitely ridden through a 
few patches of broken glass and debris that I haven't been able to avoid. 

We'll see how they fare as they wear, but so far I'm enjoying them after 
being a #supple skeptic for a while.

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 5:19:41 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Those of you who know me know how much I hate flats & like chubby tires.  
> For many years now, I've been a big proponent of the Schwalbe Marathon 
> Supreme as a nice balance between heft & performance.  The development of 
> wider, supple tires seemed an interesting option.  When Compass began 
> offering larger sizes, and Jan wrote about numerous off pavement 
> adventures, it seemed like something worth considering. But the $160 for a 
> bikesworth put me off a bit.  A while back, I got a pair of used Snoqualmie 
> Pass Extralights from a list member.  This allowed me to do a back to back 
> comparison to see what all the excitement was about.  
>
> Well, the results are in & I'm impressed by the real difference in ride 
> and performance.  For ages, I've run 700 x 40 Marathon Supremes on Mavic 
> A-719 rims.  They measure an actual 40 mm @ 50 psi, and the advertised 
> weight is 490 grams, at a retail price (non-tubeless) of $76.
>
> I've been running Marathon Mondials for the last few months.  They are 
> noticeably harsher riding and slower to roll up to speed than the Supremes, 
> as you might guess from their advertised weight of 650 grams.  They measure 
> 40 mm, same as the Supremes.  Current retail on Schwalbe's site is $84.  
>
> Switching from the Mondials to the Snoqualmie Pass Extralight was a 
> revelation.  Smoother, softer ride and much quicker pickup from a stop.  
> Compass claims 329 grams, and they measure 43 mm @ 50 psi on the A719 
> rims.  I will need to do some serious thinking when these wear out.
>
> The big unknown is flat resistance.  I don't mind the odd flat from time 
> to time, but I recall the days of light tires that seemed to constantly 
> flat that lead to my aversion of the chore of fixing.  These days, my 
> riding is mostly on paved roads that are in good condition so it's a pretty 
> easy on tires, and it's unlikely I'll do any more major tours.  As long as 
> the flat issue is under control, I'll be looking at Compass for my next 
> pair.
>
> dougP  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rando setup - Berthoud GB25 bag/VO Rando Rack/ Compass for Nitto stems decaleur

[Lum Gim Fong]

Decaleur is sold.
So I am parting out rest of the stuff


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

We  are either hoping we get an email of a shipment tomorrow or we are afraid 
to ask because it might be another month before it ships.

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[RBW] Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

And today, A1 Cyclery (another Rivendell dealer) posted their first episode of 
their new podcast “The Psychic Derailleur.” It’s a movement!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: What’s now left-- drivetrain, brake, seatposts, wheelsets etc.

[Cody Bartz]

Thank you. I saw that later and did send a personal message.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

I usually lean on the back tire if no kickstand available. I'll never 
understand the frame-on-pole thing, but that's why y'all end up with such nice 
bikes when I sell them!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[lconley]

I never lean my bike on the top tube on a pole. You lean the bike with the 
seat touching the pole and rotate the pedal on that side backwards until it 
touches the pole. The paint isn't touching anything. The seat prevents it 
from rolling forwards and the pedal prevents it from rolling backwards. 
Takes 5 seconds. Works 90% of the time. Been doing it for 45 years. Leaning 
it on the tube is bike abuse.

Laing
Cocoa FL


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[RBW] Roadini - How do you like yours?

[tc]

Love mine, and I’m selling my Sam. But that just reflects the redundancy I have 
and what I want a road bike for. 

More detail on my thread here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/YvglaC6MT-A

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Reed Kennedy]

Glad so many of y’all are curating your bikes and keeping them pristine. I
really appreciate it when I buy ‘em used!

As for me? When I’m on a brevet and hit a control the bike is getting
leaned against whatever is quick and handy as long as it won’t damage the
metal bits. Part of the reason I went with a powder coat on my custom is
durability: I consider it a protective layer just as much as an aesthetic
feature.

I figure when the powder coat gets awful that’s my cue to pick a new color!

Now, my vintage bikes with their original finish? That’s a whole different
ballgame. I don’t like to rest ‘em on anything but a bike stand.

I should probably own fewer vintage bikes.


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:13 AM Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> Whenever I see a bike without chips, flecks or stickers on it I’m curious
> if the rider does more than just ride it out the door and do loops and then
> come back again. No shame in that game if that’s what you I just can’t
> imagine making it through riding a fire road, locking up, taking it on a
> train, in a car or anywhere without some chips and such happening.
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Agree - I'll plug everything in to the sheet tomorrow and we can keep 
things rolling in the thread.  

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:04:15 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Maybe just use this thread as a change log for the google sheet?
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Justin, Oakland]

Whenever I see a bike without chips, flecks or stickers on it I’m curious if 
the rider does more than just ride it out the door and do loops and then come 
back again. No shame in that game if that’s what you I just can’t imagine 
making it through riding a fire road, locking up, taking it on a train, in a 
car or anywhere without some chips and such happening.

-J

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[ctifusion]

Orange EBISU is one of my all time dream bikes. As is a 60x60 All Rounder. I'm 
much more offended by the black cranks than I am about the paint. In LA with 
those parts I don't think the price is crazy.

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[RBW] Re: FS: What’s now left-- drivetrain, brake, seatposts, wheelsets etc.

[CMR]

Much better chance getting a response with a personal message, the post is 
over a year old. Tubeless Supremes sound like an awesome combo.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:56:08 AM UTC-7, Cody Bartz wrote:
>
> Eric, 
>
> Do you still have the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 tires? Are they 
> tubeless compatible?
>
> Cody
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Toshi Takeuchi]

My opinion about a Joe Bell paint job is that I put a kickstand plate on my
custom and use a kickstand on my bike (except on 600k+ rides) so I can
protect the paint!

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for a floor bike stand?

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:45:22 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Just a simple floor bike stand to park the bike in. Holds back wheel type 
> thing. Roll in, roll out.
>
> I have one of those 2-tier leaning-on-wall bike racks but lifting a 27.5 
> lb.  bike overhead every day up to the rack top hangers is a back or neck 
> injury waiting to happen.
> So I want to park the second bike on the floor. No other space in garage. 
> Either on top teir or on floor next to other bike in a floor stand.
> Just a simple floor stand like one of those that you park in by the back 
> wheel on the floor.
> Thanks for the info.
>

I have the Nitto workstand that Riv use to sell for like $40 many years 
ago. It looks like this one:

 

Riv hasn't carried it in a long time and I don't know if it is still 
available (perhaps Jitensha or Alex Cycles), but it's collapses and folds 
down nicely. Otherwise, I also have a stand now know as Feedback Sports 
(formerly Ultimate or something like that).

Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Justin, Oakland]

Maybe just use this thread as a change log for the google sheet?

-J

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

Ooh, I like how you matched the grey-ish (and rarely seen in that shade) Campy 
cranks with the XTR derailer. Nice work!

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Joe Bernard]

Brake cable: The logic I see from working with it is it gives the straightest 
shot for the cable to run to the caliper brake, plus it's out of the way for 
portaging. 

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for a floor bike stand?

[Joe Bernard]

No response for my bike stand, so if anybody wants it gimme a holler. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

Ever have an opinion about how a Joe Bell paint job should be treated? I'm well 
aware that Grant and others don't agree with me. I can live with it. 

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[RBW] FS: Vitorria Voyager Hyper 700x40

[Anne]

Have a total of three of the Vitorria Voyager Hyper 700x40 tires. 
One was mounted only to find it won't clear on D's bike so they are for 
sale. If you have some in 32 and want to trade would be great!

These tires are fast rolling, smooth, quiet & comfortable. 
Side note: these used to be called Randonneur Hyper. 

Sold as a three pack $125 shipped

Anne G
Middle of the Mitten, Lansing, Michigan

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for a floor bike stand?

[Touriste-Routier]

I have a bunch of "Stand by Me" stands as sold by 
https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/nashbar-stand-by-me-na-sbm-base

They are easy to transport, so I often take them with me for displaying 
bikes (like concours) and for just having a way to keep the bike upright 
(instead of leaning it against the car) when preparing for rides at 
events/club rides that I need to drive to.

Brian Ignatin
Pineville, PA 

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:57:30 PM UTC-4, Brian Reeves wrote:
>
> I use the same Feedback Sports Rakk and its great; it fits up to 2.4" 
> tires and has a small footprint.  Here's the link to the rack on amazon: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Feedback-Sports-Bicycle-Storage-Stand/dp/B001F9V842?keywords=feedback+sports+bike+stand=1537390101=8-2=sr_1_2
>  
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 3:27:00 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> I use a Feedback Sports Rakk (used to be called Ultimate Rakk).  I like 
>> it because the arm that supports the wheel can fold down so the whole unit 
>> stores flat.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a simple floor bike stand to park the bike in. Holds back wheel 
>>> type thing. Roll in, roll out.
>>>
>>> I have one of those 2-tier leaning-on-wall bike racks but lifting a 27.5 
>>> lb.  bike overhead every day up to the rack top hangers is a back or neck 
>>> injury waiting to happen.
>>> So I want to park the second bike on the floor. No other space in 
>>> garage. Either on top teir or on floor next to other bike in a floor stand.
>>> Just a simple floor stand like one of those that you park in by the back 
>>> wheel on the floor.
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Touriste-Routier]

In the relatively early days of Rivendell, I saw Grant and one of his 
employees lean their Rivendells directly against a pole outside of American 
Cyclery in San Francisco.  Top tubes against the pole.  Just sayin...

That isn't how I'd treat mine, but each owner gets to decide for 
themselves.  

My bikes paint get plenty beat up just by riding them, as they are intended 
to get ridden.  Ever have your shoe cleats hit a top tube?  The results 
aren't pretty.  Ever have a bike fall over or slide one way or another 
while parked?  Ever crash?  Ever have someone lean their bike against 
yours?  

Brian Ignatin
Pineville, PA  


On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "I don't know, Joe. How are you supposed to treat a paint job?"
>
> Answer: Better than leaning a custom bike on light poles like it's a 
> beater fixie. We all get chips and nicks, but this bike looks like it's 
> been ridden much longer than 10 years, and by someone who doesn't know what 
> it is. 
>

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[RBW] Roadini - How do you like yours?

[ScottRS]

I’ve got about 6 months of riding on my Roadini.   I’m not exactly sure of the 
number of rides or miles as I still ride my other bikes depending on the 
weather or road/gravel/not road surfaces.  For an all pavement ride, the 
Roadini has become my first choice.  It’s not especially light light or 
especially fast, but both light enough and fast enough for just about anywhere 
where there’s decent pavement.

That said, what I like most about this bike is the comfort.  I can ride for 
hours and be perfectly comfortable and ready for more miles.  I built up a 
fairly light set of wheels and am running a VO 30/46 crankset.  That chainring 
combo is spot on for me and really works well on the Roadini.

Aside from the all-day comfort ride, it’s simply a beautiful bike and every 
ride is a pleasure.  Highly recommend!!

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[RBW] Re: Which Shutter precision Hub for my bike?

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I’ve been running an sv-9 for a few years and it’s been great. However, it 
doesn’t fully power the IQ-X on long/steep climbs, so you wind up with a little 
flickering. That can be a little annoying, especially when riding with others, 
but sometimes that just encourages me to ride faster :)

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Jock Dewey]

Nice looking bike, Joe. Good job.

Question: why do you suppose the brake cable runs on top of the tube rather 
than at approx 8 pm? Doesn't get in the way slightly under.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA



On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 10:33:26 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> You probably just saw this cuz I posted it today, but here they are again 
> check em out oh yeah! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/m5CBYUsrzVVfGrYWA
>
> I sized up to run sweepback bars, but as you see it's otherwise set up as 
> a basic unladen road bike. I've had a few Rivs and, like you, they always 
> end up racked and bagged because they just seem like they're meant to be. 
> My goal with the Roadini was to definitely NOT do that this time, I just 
> want small seat and bar bags and have that lovely Riv ride in a 
> lighter/shorter "just hop and go" bike. 
>
> I can't give long distance reports because I don't ride that way, I just 
> tootle over hill and dale around-and-near town, but so far I'm loving its 
> slightly magical combination of sprightly feel with stable handling. I 
> think you'll like it. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

"I don't know, Joe. How are you supposed to treat a paint job?"

Answer: Better than leaning a custom bike on light poles like it's a beater 
fixie. We all get chips and nicks, but this bike looks like it's been ridden 
much longer than 10 years, and by someone who doesn't know what it is. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[S. Greco]

Seat stay caps look like a Waterford build. IDK about the hourglass 
braze-ons on the backside of the fork.
Sweet bike and cool parts. I wish RIV made something like this nowadays as 
a standard model.

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[RBW] Re: FS: What’s now left-- drivetrain, brake, seatposts, wheelsets etc.

[Cody Bartz]

Eric, 

Do you still have the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 tires? Are they 
tubeless compatible?

Cody

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[iamkeith]

You know, looking at it again, I kind of think the seller is full of bull.  In 
addition to the crown being strange, I haven't seen those dropouts used on a 
riv since the late 90's.  The decals are older style, too.  Add in the amount 
of use that thing has seen - especially for a guy with that many bikes - and 
I'd bet anything that it's a 1998, not a 2008.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[iamkeith]

If it happened to be an ideal fit (I was two inches shorter) and I didn't 
already have an ALL Rounder, I would pay that price.  But ONLY if the paint was 
near perfect. It's as close to that model as someone is likely to find, but 
with some nicer details. 

Because - again, if I didn't already have one - there's no question that's 
exactly what I would have made as a custom.

Interesting that they used that crown (RC1 ?)  as late ss 2008.  It does fit 
Rat Trap Pass tires though, in case anyone is wondering.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[iamkeith]

I retract that, now that I ho back and study the pictures.  Maybe they are 
cliffhangers.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Thanks Tom, I can't access the file at work, but will take a look at home 
later. Sounds like a good solution. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[iamkeith]

The prototype has rims that appear much wider than cliffhangers.  Presumably 
Alex manufacturer?  Surprisingly, they may have even set them up tubeless, 
judging by the oily spots by all the spoke holes.  I dont know why we wouldn't 
assume that they would make those same rims available for us buyers.

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[RBW] Gravelish ride this Saturday 58 miles, Wethersfield, CT

['Call Me Jay' via RBW Owners Bunch]

$0 Anyone else doing the ride?

https://www.bikereg.com/39205

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Tom Wyland]

>
> Here's a sheet 
> that
>  
> can be edited by anyone with the link.  Knock yourself out.  It works like 
> excel and saves automatically.
>

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JRuMAwuQ-Rc6bQXCBmfkmXA9jMMF5zBdBIyUOmkruYM/edit?usp=sharing
 

>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, guys. I guess they would recommend the Cliffhangers for a build? 

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:48:11 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote:
>
> Price was mentioned in the "Sept 8, but..." Blahg posts. $1500 for frame 
> and fork only, but also $1900 for fillet brazed. He didn't specifically say 
> both would be available, maybe they're going to do one or the other? Or 
> maybe both, they got samples of both. Sounds like no stock completes a la 
> Clem.
>
> Darin
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:15:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be offered 
>> as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general pricepoint 
>> mentioned?
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't know, Joe. How are you supposed to treat a paint job? You rides 
your bike, the paint comes along (or, every now and again--off) for the 
ride. When I look at it, I see a gorgeous blue, the paint looks just fine, 
especially for a 10-year-old bike. The owner apparently has a slew of 
collectible steel, so I suspect the Riv may not have been ridden all that 
much. I'd let my heirs worry about restoring that puppy. But yeah, at that 
asking price, the scrapes and scratches will be a point a prospective 
buyer, if so inclined, could use for negotiation, no doubt. In today's 
market, cosmetic condition notwithstanding, the bike seems overpriced, even 
for a Rivendell. 

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:10:19 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Some nice parts - BG brakes FTW - but it's a damn shame how that Joe Bell 
> paint was treated. The need for restoration is going to kill the price on 
> that thing. 

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline

[Martin Gierke]

Thanks Justin,

Not sure, I’m not up to speed on all that. Jim did pin the latest version
and we can continue to build on it as a group. Formatting is still a
problem but as long as we keep it simple it should be OK. Nice to be able
to just open the thread and see the data rather than download a file. I’m
all ears if you have expertise that could help.

Marty

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:59 PM Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> Could this be done in a publicly editable Google Spreadhseet?
>
> -J
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