[RBW] Re: For Sale: VO Thumb shifter Mounts

[Steve Butcher]

Several lookers but no takers.  I'll bump my price down to $60.00 shipped 
CONUS.  PM me if interested.  Steve

On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:32:13 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> [image: 20181003_103229.jpeg]
> Hello Forum,
>  I'm offering for sale a complete set of  VO Thumb shifter mounts 
> which are new in the box.  No levers are included in the offer.   I 
> purchased them for use on my Rosco Bubbe which has Albatross bars in order 
> to convert from bar end shifters.  I removed the rings from the box to 
> attach them to the handlebars but did not proceed with the task of mounting 
> the shift levers.  Gripping the handlebars and doing some mock shifting 
> movements with my thumbs, I determined I had some thumb joint stiffness 
> issues; no matter what position I would have placed the levers.  I feel 
> those issues may be detrimental to my shifting properly.  I'm not really 
> unhappy with my current bar ends but I'm a tinkerer at heart and that is 
> why I purchased the mounts in the first place.  I want $65.00 for the 
> Mounts which is the price VO charges before shipping.  I will split 
> shipping costs with the purchaser; CONUS only, please.  My apology but this 
> is a cross thread from iBOB.  I have had over 100 viewers but no takers.   
> If the mounts sell, I will post a message with this post.  Please send me a 
> private message with questions.   Thanks for checking in.
> -Steve
>

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Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

[Steve Palincsar]

Cranks don't break because you were so strong you snapped them, like 
breaking a stick over your knee.  I've had *four* cranks break on me, 
three through the pedal eye and one straight across the middle, and one 
other that had a crack originating at the pedal eye that I found before 
it progressed far enough to actually break.  It's not like it doesn't 
happen, believe me.


On 10/26/18 1:11 AM, Bill Schairer wrote:

I know that people do break cranks but I have never ever understood how?  It 
just seems like there lots of other things that should fail before the crank 
would assuming everything is operating at all less than totally frozen.  In any 
case, I’m pretty darn sure that I don’t have the strenght to break a crank 
under any circumstances so it is not something I worry about.  Handlebars I can 
imagine but I’m still riding with 40 year old bars.


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[RBW] Re: Alternatives to lift-a-tube

[phil k]

Walnut Studio is sold out at the moment, but I have one from them for my 
commuter. Very nicely made and handy.

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 7:22:58 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> These are very nicely made by a nice little company in Oregon. 
>
> https://walnutstudiolo.com/collections/bicycle-accessories/products/bicycle-frame-handle-the-little-lifter
>  
>
> They also have a portage strap but I haven’t used it. 
>
> https://walnutstudiolo.com/collections/bicycle-accessories/products/portage-strap-bicycle-carrying-strap
>  
>
>
> John

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[RBW] Re: Alternatives to lift-a-tube

[Ginz]

Jandd had a similar shoulder pad like the one in the photo above. Not sure if 
they are still available. 

https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FSNP

Erik — I recommend moving out of the ‘yunk to flatter ground. :)

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[RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[REC (Roberta)]

https://phillybikeexpo.com/

Is anyone going?  I'll be there Saturday, my first expo.  There will be 
indoor bike parking if you'll be riding. Philadelphia is a big biking city 
(not like Oakland or SF though).  Still, riding is dangerous.  Just this 
morning a cyclist was hit by a car.

Best places for lunch:  Reading Terminal Market, just across the 
street. Lots of food vendors there.   If you like Asian cuisine, Sakura 
Mandarin is excellent, corner of 11th and Race Streets in Chinatown (a 
block or two away) has a selection of Japanese and Chinese dishes.

I live in town, if anyone has any questions.  

Roberta

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

[R Shannon]

Ginz,

Maybe it’s just me but the Shimano bar-end shifter used as a rear der thumbie 
on my Atlantis is more comfortable than the Silvers (as thumbies) recently 
mounted on my SamH; experimenting with placement will continue until I find 
happiness or opt for an alternative.

If you have Riv’s black & white catalog from 2-3 years ago look at page 30 
where Silver shifters are described. There is a photo and description of a 
Silver specific thumb shifter. I don’t recall seeing this version on the 
website. Perhaps it’s a special order? Or a Riv hack?

Best regards,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Ginz  wrote:
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> When using the full sized silver shifter, is it too long and create too much 
> leverage? A shorter lever is best for thumbs? For some reason that surprises 
> me. 
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[RBW] Re: Alternatives to lift-a-tube

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Hunqabeam’s diagitube intersection with the seat tube makes a great thumb 
“shelf” when I grab the seat tube to carry it. I miss beaing able to hook my 
thumb under there on the Quickbeam for the same bits. Still, I carry the 
Quickbeam the same way, grabbing the seat tube just where the tire comes 
closest to it. Easy, well balanced carry.

With abadnon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Alternatives to lift-a-tube

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Och! Forgot to add: I rarely carry my bike up technical bits, mostly down them. 
100 stairs would take a bit of time to get my hand strong enough to grip the 
seat tube that long. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] WTB Paul Touring Cantilever Brakes in Silver or Polish

[Cody Bartz]

Looking for one bike's worth. Any condition is OK. Let me know if you have 
any you would like to get rid of : ) 

Cheers,
Cody

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

[RichS]

Ginz, as Daniel says it is a bit of a cash outlay, but the Shimano bar-ends 
work beautifully as friction or indexed. But, they require an adapter, like 
Paul makes, which adds to the cost.

Microshift, which Riv sells, is a good option.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Ride Bikes, Shoot Film

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

James:

You just made my day. I think I’ll shoot some 35mm today!

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 5:36 PM, James Davis  wrote:
> 
> “I’m looking to scratch a pair of itches on this trip:
> Do more creative work with my hands.
> Make photographs that have a distinct, old look and feel to them.”
> 
> Yes, I really agree with this thought of his in the article. What A wonderful 
> way to slow down. I celebrated you sharing this article by stopping a bunch 
> on my commute today to shoot 35mm film and phone photos. It increased my 
> enjoyment of riding exponentially! Thanks!
> James
> 
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 7:43 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  > wrote:
> Here’s someone who has taken ride bikes/shoot film to the next level, 
> shooting hand-cut film in an old Speed Graphic with a homemade(!) lens:
> 
> http://bicycletimesmag.com/ride-slow-take-photos/ 
> 
> 
> My hat is off to him ...
> 
> --Eric N
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Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

[lconley]

Aluminum will work harden - stressing and pushing it out of shape makes it 
stiffer, but more brittle. Forging aluminum is a controlled process to 
impart the desired stiffness and strength to a specific aluminum alloy 
through work hardening. Think about bending the straight part of a hanger 
(steel, but the principle is the same) - it is harder to straighten the 
curve back out because the curve is stiffer once you have bent it than the 
straight, and if you do it a couple of times - it will break. All metals 
have this property (cycle fatigue life), but only two (steel and titanium) 
have an infinite cycle life* if* you keep the stress below a certain level 
(% of maximum). Thus if properly engineered, and properly used, steel and 
titanium can last basically forever. Aluminum will always 
eventually fail, and lower stress = longer life, but the lifespan is always 
finite. This is why you don't want to ride certain well used French 
aluminum handlebars and stems - they weren't always of the finest 
materials, manufacture or design. This is also why you need to inspect old 
aluminum parts if you still use them in highly stressed applications (steel 
and titanium too if they are highly stressed). An old cottered steel crank, 
even a cheap one can last a very, very long time, but that 50 year old 
Campagnolo Nuovo Record or Stronglight Model 93 crank may need to be 
retired to the bike hung on the wall if it has seen a hard life.
I still ride bikes and parts that are approaching 50 years old, but I do 
not jump curbs, etc. - my parts have seen a fairly easy life.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:07:00 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> Cranks don't break because you were so strong you snapped them, like 
> breaking a stick over your knee.  I've had *four* cranks break on me, 
> three through the pedal eye and one straight across the middle, and one 
> other that had a crack originating at the pedal eye that I found before 
> it progressed far enough to actually break.  It's not like it doesn't 
> happen, believe me. 
>
> On 10/26/18 1:11 AM, Bill Schairer wrote: 
> > I know that people do break cranks but I have never ever understood how? 
>  It just seems like there lots of other things that should fail before the 
> crank would assuming everything is operating at all less than totally 
> frozen.  In any case, I’m pretty darn sure that I don’t have the strenght 
> to break a crank under any circumstances so it is not something I worry 
> about.  Handlebars I can imagine but I’m still riding with 40 year old 
> bars. 
> > 
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Bikes, Shoot Film

[James Davis]

This is great news! I got out there this morning and did the same! Have a
good one!

James

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> James:
>
> You just made my day. I think I’ll shoot some 35mm today!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 5:36 PM, James Davis  wrote:
>
> “I’m looking to scratch a pair of itches on this trip:
> Do more creative work with my hands.
> Make photographs that have a distinct, old look and feel to them.”
>
> Yes, I really agree with this thought of his in the article. What A
> wonderful way to slow down. I celebrated you sharing this article by
> stopping a bunch on my commute today to shoot 35mm film and phone photos.
> It increased my enjoyment of riding exponentially! Thanks!
> James
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 7:43 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Here’s someone who has taken ride bikes/shoot film to the next level,
>> shooting hand-cut film in an old Speed Graphic with a homemade(!) lens:
>>
>> http://bicycletimesmag.com/ride-slow-take-photos/
>>
>> My hat is off to him ...
>>
>> --Eric N
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[RBW] Re: threadless stem/steerer question

[Drw]

So i did get that nitto stem and put it on last night. The part i forgot to 
mention is that im using a shim to go from 1-1 1/8. So the steerer tube 
ended up being about 1cm below the top of the stem (which seems plenty 
close) but the shim is only 4cm tall, so it sits considerably lower than 
the top of the stem (which is about 7cm tall). a taller shim would fill the 
gap, but i dont see any online that are very tall. Is this even a problem? 
thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

[Daniel D.]

thanks.  2017 CB500F ABS 5500 miles to date















On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 8:46:51 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice Roadini, I love mine. 
> We need to see the motorcycle!

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

[Garth]

A long lever fits and index finger rather nicely, great for reaching down 
to the dt. Bar top shifting as I have used my Sun Tours since '84 is more 
of a rotating motion like turning a key in a lock. Having a short thick 
lever, more volume in hand, makes it bit easier for those tiny movements 
than a long thin lever can. 

Adapting dt levers top bar use seemed to me more out the lack of anyone 
wanting to manufacture a Sun Tour-like shape. So everyone started copying 
each other to build more adapters for levers and calling them 
"thumbshiters" .  It's like buying a generic version of something and 
saying "it works/tastes *like* the original, but it is most assuredly *unlike 
it *".   


On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:16:53 PM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
>
> When using the full sized silver shifter, is it too long and create too 
> much leverage? A shorter lever is best for thumbs? For some reason that 
> surprises me. 

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[Steven Seelig]

My son (now 9) and do a road trip every year from DC to attend.  The boy 
only agrees if he can get a Cheese Steak at Reading Market.  When it 
started, it was held in an unheated warehouse, which made the even fun in a 
quirky, cold kinda way.  It is now a fabulous weekend of bike envy, new 
product introductions and great seminars 
 that are well worth 
attending.  No matter the kind of cyclist you might be, there is something 
there for you.

Since my son and I are tandem riders - he really needs to start pushing his 
weight - we highly recommend the session that Barb and Mel Kornbluth are 
hosting at 3pm on Saturday on Secrets to riding tandem almost 200,000 
miles.  We bought our Co-Motion Periscope from them, and are big fans of 
their evangelical fervor with a smile.

Steve


On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Is anyone going?  I'll be there Saturday, my first expo.  There will be 
> indoor bike parking if you'll be riding. Philadelphia is a big biking city 
> (not like Oakland or SF though).  Still, riding is dangerous.  Just this 
> morning a cyclist was hit by a car.
>
> Best places for lunch:  Reading Terminal Market, just across the 
> street. Lots of food vendors there.   If you like Asian cuisine, Sakura 
> Mandarin is excellent, corner of 11th and Race Streets in Chinatown (a 
> block or two away) has a selection of Japanese and Chinese dishes.
>
> I live in town, if anyone has any questions.  
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite grips for bar end shifters?

[MCT]

Plus one on the Ergons. 

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

[Scot]

Check out the SunXCD! It is what I picked out for my Roadini. You can use their 
chainrings or an adapter/spider for others.

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[RBW] Glue for headbadge?

[Christopher Murray]

Double sided 3M padded tape from an automotive store is what has been suggested 
in the past. Dental floss works to remove the badge. 

Chris 

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[Chip Martens]

They should set up a photo booth next year for someone to capture 
drive-side pictures of all the bikes. I'm curious to see what everyone was 
riding!

On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 3:28:31 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> It really was an amazing time. The riders were all incredibly friendly, 
> and there was plenty of trail camaraderie when people got the inevitable 
> flat. I did the 50-miler, which was sometimes a bit too technical for a 
> city slicker like me (though the real limitation in gettin' rad was the low 
> spoke count on my front wheel). The route was gorgeous--dappled sunlight in 
> pretty woods, quaint towns and houses, a few good vistas, and an awesomely 
> brief ferry ride. The townsfolk and drivers were also highly friendly and 
> considerate.
>
> And damn, Peter Weigle knows how to pick out a line on some single track. 
> He was SHREDDING on his Shrinko.
>
> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-4, A. Nostuh wrote:
>>
>> The MOM contingent was well represented but hoping for even more next year
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[Chip Martens]

For those who were asking for away to support the site or "buy me a beer"! 
— https://www.paypal.me/whatbars



On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 6:11:33 PM UTC-5, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> Thought you gals and fellas might find this useful and/or interesting. If 
> this is too "off topic" put the kabash to it. 
>
> http://whatbars.com
>
> Stephen
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

[R Shannon]

Garth, you nailed it with the key turning in a lock analogy.

Thanks!
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> A long lever fits and index finger rather nicely, great for reaching down to 
> the dt. Bar top shifting as I have used my Sun Tours since '84 is more of a 
> rotating motion like turning a key in a lock. Having a short thick lever, 
> more volume in hand, makes it bit easier for those tiny movements than a long 
> thin lever can. 
> 
> Adapting dt levers top bar use seemed to me more out the lack of anyone 
> wanting to manufacture a Sun Tour-like shape. So everyone started copying 
> each other to build more adapters for levers and calling them "thumbshiters" 
> .  It's like buying a generic version of something and saying "it 
> works/tastes like the original, but it is most assuredly unlike it ".   
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:16:53 PM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
>> When using the full sized silver shifter, is it too long and create too much 
>> leverage? A shorter lever is best for thumbs? For some reason that surprises 
>> me.
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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

[Daniel D.]

Thanks.  2017 CB500F ABS 5500 miles to date


















On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 8:46:51 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice Roadini, I love mine. 
> We need to see the motorcycle!

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Kieran J]

Beauty! Looks utterly spotless.

KJ


On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:51:28 AM UTC-7, Lon Payne wrote:
>
> Hey folks--I am about to put my 68cm Rambouillet up for sale on Craigslist 
> (Sacramento area) and potentially ebay, but before I do that, I wanted to 
> check in with this group to see if this is someone's must-have dream bike.  
> When I bought this bike it had a mis-matched front wheel, but otherwise 
> seemed to be exactly as originally built--the only thing I've done to the 
> bike since I got it was to find the closest match I could to the rear wheel 
> (the new front is the same wheel as the rear except that it is bolt-on, the 
> rear is quick release) and install a matching Ruffy Tuffy tire.  This bike 
> has seen very little use over its life--it deserves an owner who will take 
> it places where it can shine, and unfortunately that isn't me at this stage 
> of my life with 3 young kids.  1x9 drivetrain.  Albatross bars with cork 
> grips.  Brooks sprung saddle.  Sackville bag.  Lovely bottle cages.  Brass 
> bell. Everything goes with the bike. If you need more info or you'd like to 
> talk to me about it, leave a comment below.  --Lon
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[REC (Roberta)]

What a great way to bond with your son (and him with you) and create great 
memories.

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 12:51:25 PM UTC-4, Steven Seelig wrote:
>
> My son (now 9) and do a road trip every year from DC to attend.  The boy 
> only agrees if he can get a Cheese Steak at Reading Market.  When it 
> started, it was held in an unheated warehouse, which made the even fun in a 
> quirky, cold kinda way.  It is now a fabulous weekend of bike envy, new 
> product introductions and great seminars 
>  that are well worth 
> attending.  No matter the kind of cyclist you might be, there is something 
> there for you.
>
> Since my son and I are tandem riders - he really needs to start pushing 
> his weight - we highly recommend the session that Barb and Mel Kornbluth 
> are hosting at 3pm on Saturday on Secrets to riding tandem almost 200,000 
> miles.  We bought our Co-Motion Periscope from them, and are big fans of 
> their evangelical fervor with a smile.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Is anyone going?  I'll be there Saturday, my first expo.  There will be 
>> indoor bike parking if you'll be riding. Philadelphia is a big biking city 
>> (not like Oakland or SF though).  Still, riding is dangerous.  Just this 
>> morning a cyclist was hit by a car.
>>
>> Best places for lunch:  Reading Terminal Market, just across the 
>> street. Lots of food vendors there.   If you like Asian cuisine, Sakura 
>> Mandarin is excellent, corner of 11th and Race Streets in Chinatown (a 
>> block or two away) has a selection of Japanese and Chinese dishes.
>>
>> I live in town, if anyone has any questions.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

It depends on where one mounts the thumb shifters though. If you don't 
mount them "on top" and instead install them like what Rivendell typically 
do (like such 
),
 
then the lock-key analogy doesn't work. In fact, mounted "underneath" à la 
Rivendell, the actuation is entirely thumb and no palm nor index finger. In 
such a case, a longer lever arm is not necessarily a bad thing since it 
reduces the force needed to shift, which for a sole thumb, can be helpful.


On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:56:01 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>
> Garth, you nailed it with the key turning in a lock analogy.
>
> Thanks!
> Rich in ATL
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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[lconley]

Fortunately, this bike is way, way, way too big for me.

Laing
Cocoa, FL


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[RBW] Re: threadless stem/steerer question

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

With the shortish shim, the effective steerer tube length ends where the 
shim ends, and the part of the steerer that protrudes until 1cm from the 
top of the stem doesn't count. From looking at the picture you've provided, 
we know that the shim is tall enough to ensure the stem is clamped at least 
adequately to the steerer (and won't pinch, which is unlikely for a steel 
steerer anyways). Thus, the same question applies: does the stem require 
the steerer to be part of the structure, or is 3cm of unsupported and 
cantilevered stem OK?


On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:11:40 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> So i did get that nitto stem and put it on last night. The part i forgot 
> to mention is that im using a shim to go from 1-1 1/8. So the steerer tube 
> ended up being about 1cm below the top of the stem (which seems plenty 
> close) but the shim is only 4cm tall, so it sits considerably lower than 
> the top of the stem (which is about 7cm tall). a taller shim would fill the 
> gap, but i dont see any online that are very tall. Is this even a problem? 
> thoughts?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

[Garth]

  
  
 Ginz, How Riv does this, that or the other is always changing :)  If the 
DT lever shape was so perfect first of all they wouldn't be selling and 
using the Sun Race levers in the photo , nor would they be investing time 
and resources into their own short, wide curved lever just like the Sun 
Tour ! 

  Regardless, their are endless distinctions as exactly where/how 
thumbshifters can be mounted/used. The "best way" is whatever way is 
perfectly obvious for whom it is perfectly obvious, always totally unique, 
never the same twice !   
  


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[RBW] Re: FS :: Rivendell Wool Jerseys + One Other

[Dave Grossman]

I miss all of your well written ads on the Paceline, Dave!

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:28:11 PM UTC-5, David Hallerman wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Three wool jerseys for sale here. Prices do not include shipping.
>
> Rivendell, green, long-sleeve = $130
> Rivendell, blue, short-sleeve = $120
> Wiel's, dark green, long-sleeve = $120
>
> All three jerseys have in common:
> * size large
> * three rear pockets, classic style (no zippers)
> * washed only with Kookaburra
> * kept in plastic bags to prevent moth holes
> * excellent condition, not worn much either
> * manufactured by Woolistic
> * I'm the original owner of each
>
> One photo attached. Here's an album of all three jersey fronts:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GyMQJqXMBkk65CXt9
>
> If you need more photos, have any questions, LMK.
>
> Please respond off-list.
>
> Dave
> cycle...@gmail.com 
> 
> Hudson Valley NY
>

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Dave Grossman]

Big bikes are so awesome.  This one looks so proportional.  That headtube 
is a yardstick!

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[RBW] Re: threadless stem/steerer question

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I certainly can't speak from an engineering perspective but I think I'd 
personally want that 3cm gap to be filled.  Although I'd feel ok in the 
short term with the stem and steerer both being steel if just testing fit 
with a few short rides and I'd likely go ahead and ride it as-is before 
going to the trouble of finding or making my own full sized shim.  But if 
deciding to keep that setup longer term I try to get a properly sized shim 
to fill all the space.  

I have a trashed steel frame from which I already cut and filed some small 
shims from the middle of the downtube for a threaded 1" headset that needed 
some space taken up.  It's seamed tubing and I'd probably just try cutting 
a single full length 7cm shim from that same downtube and cut the split at 
the seam to help eliminate some filing and sanding.  If I didn't have this 
trashed frame I guess cutting down another 4cm alloy shim to the required 
length is the other logical alternative.

I'm not necessarily opposed to such hacks but I'd have some reservations 
with that excess air space between stem and steerer.  For some reason I 
feel like I'd be a little more confident even if the steerer itself was a 
bit shorter if both steerer and stem were a matching 1" spec.  I have no 
educated basis for this and ymmv, of course.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> With the shortish shim, the effective steerer tube length ends where the 
> shim ends, and the part of the steerer that protrudes until 1cm from the 
> top of the stem doesn't count. From looking at the picture you've provided, 
> we know that the shim is tall enough to ensure the stem is clamped at least 
> adequately to the steerer (and won't pinch, which is unlikely for a steel 
> steerer anyways). Thus, the same question applies: does the stem require 
> the steerer to be part of the structure, or is 3cm of unsupported and 
> cantilevered stem OK?
>
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:11:40 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>
>> So i did get that nitto stem and put it on last night. The part i forgot 
>> to mention is that im using a shim to go from 1-1 1/8. So the steerer tube 
>> ended up being about 1cm below the top of the stem (which seems plenty 
>> close) but the shim is only 4cm tall, so it sits considerably lower than 
>> the top of the stem (which is about 7cm tall). a taller shim would fill the 
>> gap, but i dont see any online that are very tall. Is this even a problem? 
>> thoughts?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'd love to give this tall Ram a new home, alas, I'm in no position to make 
that happen with some recent financial challenges and a little one of my 
own greatly restricting riding time.

I have an early 80's Schwinn Traveler (27" frame ~68.5cm) currently filling 
that slot (lighter duty and more road oriented companion to my heavier duty 
65cm Clem H dad-bike) and barely get any miles on that one as it is.  If 
you were local to me on the east coast and shipping could be avoided I'd 
likely be more inclined to work something out and purge my less desirables 
but can't justify it right now, unfortunately.

Best of luck with the sale.  I also don't see an asking price noted and 
you'll likely gain more interest with a stated price... I haven't done much 
buying/selling through the group myself but think its a general requirement 
to tag as a FS post and state a price.

Best,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ 

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 3:00:10 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:

> Big bikes are so awesome.  This one looks so proportional.  That headtube 
> is a yardstick!
>

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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That would be a g-bike.

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[RBW] Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[DarinM]

I have a 56cm, 26"-wheeled Toyo Atlantis that I've recently realized is too 
small for my 89cm PBH body (I know, way off). I've struggled with bike fit 
all 8-9 of my cycling years and didn't really think the "Riv fit" would 
work for me when I picked this frame up this summer. More recently, I 
bought a 61cm Bleriot on the list and it fits like a glove! I'm still 
happily riding the Atlantis, but can't help but feel like a 61cm frame 
would be even better.

I really love the Atlantis and have it build up exactly as I like it. I'm 
quite sure the fit would be an instant improvement but worry that the 
quickness I like about the smaller wheels would be lost with the 700c 
wheels. I know their not fashionable and tire options are limited, but I 
think the small wheels work really well on this bike.

Anyone ridden both wheel sizes and have thoughts on the difference? More 
likely to find someone who's ridden the 56 and 58, but maybe a 61, too?

Darin

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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

[Daniel D.]

A bike for a gangster? Man that text is big.  Whoops, looked small when I was 
writing the post.

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Reid Echols]

Hi Lon, I sent you a PM about this lovely bike, but folks here might like 
to know that it has similar dimensions and standover to my 64cm Waterford 
Sam Hillborne. 

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 11:51:28 AM UTC-5, Lon Payne wrote:
>
> Hey folks--I am about to put my 68cm Rambouillet up for sale on Craigslist 
> (Sacramento area) and potentially ebay, but before I do that, I wanted to 
> check in with this group to see if this is someone's must-have dream bike.  
> When I bought this bike it had a mis-matched front wheel, but otherwise 
> seemed to be exactly as originally built--the only thing I've done to the 
> bike since I got it was to find the closest match I could to the rear wheel 
> (the new front is the same wheel as the rear except that it is bolt-on, the 
> rear is quick release) and install a matching Ruffy Tuffy tire.  This bike 
> has seen very little use over its life--it deserves an owner who will take 
> it places where it can shine, and unfortunately that isn't me at this stage 
> of my life with 3 young kids.  1x9 drivetrain.  Albatross bars with cork 
> grips.  Brooks sprung saddle.  Sackville bag.  Lovely bottle cages.  Brass 
> bell. Everything goes with the bike. If you need more info or you'd like to 
> talk to me about it, leave a comment below.  --Lon
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[dougP]

Darin:

I have had a 58 cm / 700c wheeled Atlantis since '03, so that's my 
baseline.  I've ridden a couple of 56 cm / 26" wheeled & also a 56 cm / 
650B wheeled one, and cannot recall any noticeable difference in 
quickness.  By quickness I assume you are talking about how fast it 
accelerates.  

My PBH is 85, so I'm in the overlap area between 56 & 58.  FWIW, before the 
Atlantis I'd had 56, 57, & 58 cm bikes, and got comfortable on all 3 sizes 
with minor adjustments, mostly stem changes.  

If your Bleriot is a good fit, that's the place to start comparing 
dimensions.  It's been said "can always make a smaller frame larger with 
stems & seat height" which may be true to an extent, but being two sizes 
too small sounds like a lot to correct.  

There's an active market for especially 56, 58 & 61 Atlantis.  Those sizes 
fit a huge number of riders so there always seems to something for sale.  

dougP

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> I have a 56cm, 26"-wheeled Toyo Atlantis that I've recently realized is 
> too small for my 89cm PBH body (I know, way off). I've struggled with bike 
> fit all 8-9 of my cycling years and didn't really think the "Riv fit" would 
> work for me when I picked this frame up this summer. More recently, I 
> bought a 61cm Bleriot on the list and it fits like a glove! I'm still 
> happily riding the Atlantis, but can't help but feel like a 61cm frame 
> would be even better.
>
> I really love the Atlantis and have it build up exactly as I like it. I'm 
> quite sure the fit would be an instant improvement but worry that the 
> quickness I like about the smaller wheels would be lost with the 700c 
> wheels. I know their not fashionable and tire options are limited, but I 
> think the small wheels work really well on this bike.
>
> Anyone ridden both wheel sizes and have thoughts on the difference? More 
> likely to find someone who's ridden the 56 and 58, but maybe a 61, too?
>
> Darin
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

[Jeremy Tavan]

Very true. I have adapted Silver shifters to work better as thumb shifters 
by grinding down shorter and capping with a Rustines rubber grip, and have 
been pleased with the results, but it's a lot more work than using 
something designed for the job.

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:37:56 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> A long lever fits and index finger rather nicely, great for reaching down 
> to the dt. Bar top shifting as I have used my Sun Tours since '84 is more 
> of a rotating motion like turning a key in a lock. Having a short thick 
> lever, more volume in hand, makes it bit easier for those tiny movements 
> than a long thin lever can. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[John Hawrylak]

Steve

Glad to hear good things about Tandems East.   Do you go to there Tandem 
Expo in the spring??  Get riding in Salem and Cumberland counties.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 12:51:25 PM UTC-4, Steven Seelig wrote:
>
> My son (now 9) and do a road trip every year from DC to attend.  The boy 
> only agrees if he can get a Cheese Steak at Reading Market.  When it 
> started, it was held in an unheated warehouse, which made the even fun in a 
> quirky, cold kinda way.  It is now a fabulous weekend of bike envy, new 
> product introductions and great seminars 
>  that are well worth 
> attending.  No matter the kind of cyclist you might be, there is something 
> there for you.
>
> Since my son and I are tandem riders - he really needs to start pushing 
> his weight - we highly recommend the session that Barb and Mel Kornbluth 
> are hosting at 3pm on Saturday on Secrets to riding tandem almost 200,000 
> miles.  We bought our Co-Motion Periscope from them, and are big fans of 
> their evangelical fervor with a smile.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Is anyone going?  I'll be there Saturday, my first expo.  There will be 
>> indoor bike parking if you'll be riding. Philadelphia is a big biking city 
>> (not like Oakland or SF though).  Still, riding is dangerous.  Just this 
>> morning a cyclist was hit by a car.
>>
>> Best places for lunch:  Reading Terminal Market, just across the 
>> street. Lots of food vendors there.   If you like Asian cuisine, Sakura 
>> Mandarin is excellent, corner of 11th and Race Streets in Chinatown (a 
>> block or two away) has a selection of Japanese and Chinese dishes.
>>
>> I live in town, if anyone has any questions.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I had a 53 and 55 Bleriot.
The 53 was faster. Less fighting against it than the 55.

Don;t know about Altlantis, and there is no way to compare between the Toyo 
and Taiwan now.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I am going to also say that, based on what I have read, I am under the 
impression that 26" will spin up faster than 700c, but 700c is faster over 
the course of a ride. And that 650b can be fast, but not as fast as 700c 
(that part is according to Rene Herse bikes in Boulder Colorado).

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[nathaniel nichols]

I've ridden that 56cm toyo Atlantis and converted in to 650b for a 300km 
brevet, it definitely felt faster with 650b, could just have been the 
faster compass tires though. I remember when I sold the 56 Atlantis I 
always thought that specific geo was too big for me back then, now I ride a 
"60cm" Rambouillet, a 60cm BDB Pelican, 59cm Black mountain cycles Road, 
and a Large Surly KM and couldn't be happier. I have an 86ish PBH

IIRC you now have the same Atlantis I sold to a list member in Portland ? 
The one from Harris Cyclery with the Bunyan velo sticker? If it goes up on 
the market I'm semi interested in buying it back. I'm looking for a strong 
frame to basket up and romp around Oakland and SF for work n other stuff. 
Lemmy know if that interests you! I'm not in a rush but I did love that 
bike and spent some pretty memorable tours on it.

Nate


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Re: [RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

[Frank Brose]

5'10" as well and I've had a 56 and 58 and went back to the 56 simply 
because I like 26" wheels. They both worked well for me. It's just a wheel 
thing.

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 9:25:20 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I’m 5’ 10” also.
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM dougP > 
> wrote:
>
>> Max:
>>
>> Have your friend do the PBH measurement & check it out on the fit chart.  
>> I'm 5'10" with a PBH of 85 & ride a 58 cm.  
>>
>> dougP, 
>> (encouraging Atlantis riders since 2011)
>>
>> On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:17:40 PM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Tim. My friend - he’s about 5’10”, short legs long torso type 
>>> (I’m probably the opposite), so 32” SO might be cutting it close... 
>>>
>>> - Max “doc, this is for a friend” in A2
>>
>> -- 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you look at the geometry charts, Grant does use slightly different 
geometry for different wheel sizes (especially noticeable is differing HTA 
and fork rake). I think he tries to tune the handling feel nearly the same 
regardless of wheel size. Obviously, acceleration might feel different with 
smaller wheels, but I bet they handle pretty similar otherwise.

Eamon

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> I have a 56cm, 26"-wheeled Toyo Atlantis that I've recently realized is 
> too small for my 89cm PBH body (I know, way off). I've struggled with bike 
> fit all 8-9 of my cycling years and didn't really think the "Riv fit" would 
> work for me when I picked this frame up this summer. More recently, I 
> bought a 61cm Bleriot on the list and it fits like a glove! I'm still 
> happily riding the Atlantis, but can't help but feel like a 61cm frame 
> would be even better.
>
> I really love the Atlantis and have it build up exactly as I like it. I'm 
> quite sure the fit would be an instant improvement but worry that the 
> quickness I like about the smaller wheels would be lost with the 700c 
> wheels. I know their not fashionable and tire options are limited, but I 
> think the small wheels work really well on this bike.
>
> Anyone ridden both wheel sizes and have thoughts on the difference? More 
> likely to find someone who's ridden the 56 and 58, but maybe a 61, too?
>
> Darin
>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[ascpgh]

My friend Cliff is going. I'm working both Saturday and Sunday. I'm trying 
to get him to stay and hear the forum with Brian Chapman, Johnny Coast and 
Peter Weigle on Sunday instead of driving back earlier. It's worth the 
whole trip in my mind. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Is anyone going?  I'll be there Saturday, my first expo.  There will be 
> indoor bike parking if you'll be riding. Philadelphia is a big biking city 
> (not like Oakland or SF though).  Still, riding is dangerous.  Just this 
> morning a cyclist was hit by a car.
>
> Best places for lunch:  Reading Terminal Market, just across the 
> street. Lots of food vendors there.   If you like Asian cuisine, Sakura 
> Mandarin is excellent, corner of 11th and Race Streets in Chinatown (a 
> block or two away) has a selection of Japanese and Chinese dishes.
>
> I live in town, if anyone has any questions.  
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Rambouillet - $1,300

[dstein]

I am not going to buy it (as much as I would love to), but curious...what 
is the standover on the 54cm ram?

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 8:08:58 PM UTC-7, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fJcLeXudQ5gKt4Ad9 
>
> $1,300 plus shipping. I’ll have a shop in town pack it and set up delivery 
> via bike flights. Should be about $150ish for CONUS. 
>
> Size/ ST: 54cm 
> TT: 55cm 
> Crank: Ultegra 6503 triple, 172.5, 52-42-30 
> FD: Ultegra 6503 
> RD: Deore M591 9sp rd 
> 11-32 9sp cassette 
> Tektro R539 sidepull brakes 
> Shimano bar ends. Indexing works well. 
> Nitto dirt drop stem 
> Gary 2 bars with shimano hood levers and Tektro interrupters to brake from 
> the flats. 
> Front wheel is shimano hub with Sunrim CR18 36h 
> Rear is Deore hub to Mavic A319 36h 
> Seat post is a Cambio Rino from an old Medici 
> No seat or pedals included 
>
> Been a good ride the last few years. Just time to move on and expand my 
> cycling horizons. Let me know if you have any questions! 
>
> - Mike in ATX

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[RBW] Re: One-thousand mile ride report on my Rosco Bubbe Road

[dstein]

I have the brown/bronze one and love it. I've put about 500 miles on it, 
but it is my primary go fast road bike now since I sold my other (gunnar 
sport), mostly because I enjoy the rosco road so much. nice setup and 
report!

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[RBW] Re: German Mirror Basket Mount

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

I'm glad to see this thread alive again! I ended up getting a different version 
of a mirror for a basket mount. Here's a link to the picture: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYB0hh-Bm6O/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=ds354uupmmg2


It only lasted a few months before my bike fell over and the mirror broke. I do 
love having a mirror though. Especially when riding with a kiddo on the bike.


Thanks for sharing!
Tim

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Rambouillet - $1,300

[Norman R]

78.3 cm http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:38:17 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I am not going to buy it (as much as I would love to), but curious...what 
> is the standover on the 54cm ram?
>
> On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 8:08:58 PM UTC-7, Mike K. wrote:
>>
>> Pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fJcLeXudQ5gKt4Ad9 
>>
>> $1,300 plus shipping. I’ll have a shop in town pack it and set up 
>> delivery via bike flights. Should be about $150ish for CONUS. 
>>
>> Size/ ST: 54cm 
>> TT: 55cm 
>> Crank: Ultegra 6503 triple, 172.5, 52-42-30 
>> FD: Ultegra 6503 
>> RD: Deore M591 9sp rd 
>> 11-32 9sp cassette 
>> Tektro R539 sidepull brakes 
>> Shimano bar ends. Indexing works well. 
>> Nitto dirt drop stem 
>> Gary 2 bars with shimano hood levers and Tektro interrupters to brake 
>> from the flats. 
>> Front wheel is shimano hub with Sunrim CR18 36h 
>> Rear is Deore hub to Mavic A319 36h 
>> Seat post is a Cambio Rino from an old Medici 
>> No seat or pedals included 
>>
>> Been a good ride the last few years. Just time to move on and expand my 
>> cycling horizons. Let me know if you have any questions! 
>>
>> - Mike in ATX
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Rambouillet - $1,300

[Lum Gim Fong]

Depends on tire size.

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[REC (Roberta)]

Andy,  I hope your friend stays and gets the most out of the trip.  We have 
the schylkill river trail here, similar to your GAP, of which I enjoyed a 
small section this summer.  

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:11:17 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> My friend Cliff is going. I'm working both Saturday and Sunday. I'm trying 
> to get him to stay and hear the forum with Brian Chapman, Johnny Coast and 
> Peter Weigle on Sunday instead of driving back earlier. It's worth the 
> whole trip in my mind. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Is anyone going?  I'll be there Saturday, my first expo.  There will be 
>> indoor bike parking if you'll be riding. Philadelphia is a big biking city 
>> (not like Oakland or SF though).  Still, riding is dangerous.  Just this 
>> morning a cyclist was hit by a car.
>>
>> Best places for lunch:  Reading Terminal Market, just across the 
>> street. Lots of food vendors there.   If you like Asian cuisine, Sakura 
>> Mandarin is excellent, corner of 11th and Race Streets in Chinatown (a 
>> block or two away) has a selection of Japanese and Chinese dishes.
>>
>> I live in town, if anyone has any questions.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Rambouillet - $1,300

[Lum Gim Fong]

Rivendell also said SO for 54 is 79.1 here:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/17.html

Maybe depends on tire size and psi.  I have 27mm tires on mine. I can measure 
if anyone interested.

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2018 this weekend Oct 27 and 28

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ah...skukl expressway in a sub-compact (fiesta?) 1983...like riding on a 
skateboard...massive suspension losses...ya gatta regatta! South street... 
cheese steaks...400$ ties in boutique dress shop...punk 
rockers...1983...concerts at the Spectrum...

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Lum Gim Fong]

Prettiest rivmodel ever made.
Best head badge ever.

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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

[Lum Gim Fong]

Congrats!!! Rivbikes are amazing bikes!!!

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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

[Lum Gim Fong]

OOoh TRP levers!!
Nice!! Way better than BRL400’s

Double oooh!
Silver wide/low!!! 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[William!]

I've ridden a 26" Atlantis, and I own a 61cm Toyo Atlantis. I also own a 
26" vintage Stumpjumper which was set up similar to the Atlantis. There is 
a difference in feel, but as others have said it comes down mostly to 
inherent differences in the wheel size. I agree with others than 700c feels 
faster rolling on roads, but on rough stuff I like the feeling of being a 
bit lower. The 26"'ers take pot holes a little harder, but feels more sure 
footed in other situations.

But IMO, the 650b Atlantis hits the sweet spot.

William

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 5:09:40 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> If you look at the geometry charts, Grant does use slightly different 
> geometry for different wheel sizes (especially noticeable is differing HTA 
> and fork rake). I think he tries to tune the handling feel nearly the same 
> regardless of wheel size. Obviously, acceleration might feel different with 
> smaller wheels, but I bet they handle pretty similar otherwise.
>
> Eamon
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>>
>> I have a 56cm, 26"-wheeled Toyo Atlantis that I've recently realized is 
>> too small for my 89cm PBH body (I know, way off). I've struggled with bike 
>> fit all 8-9 of my cycling years and didn't really think the "Riv fit" would 
>> work for me when I picked this frame up this summer. More recently, I 
>> bought a 61cm Bleriot on the list and it fits like a glove! I'm still 
>> happily riding the Atlantis, but can't help but feel like a 61cm frame 
>> would be even better.
>>
>> I really love the Atlantis and have it build up exactly as I like it. I'm 
>> quite sure the fit would be an instant improvement but worry that the 
>> quickness I like about the smaller wheels would be lost with the 700c 
>> wheels. I know their not fashionable and tire options are limited, but I 
>> think the small wheels work really well on this bike.
>>
>> Anyone ridden both wheel sizes and have thoughts on the difference? More 
>> likely to find someone who's ridden the 56 and 58, but maybe a 61, too?
>>
>> Darin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: hub area bags

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

acquired

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[DarinM]

Thanks everyone for weighing in. I know the geometry is varied to keep the 
steering characteristics and bottom bracket height similar between the 
small and large frames, but still was curious if there are any  notable 
differences in the way they ride, aside from the influences of wheel 
diameter/weight. I do like the lower feeling that William noted in his 
comparison, but 700c Atlantii (and all Rivs, really) have pretty low BB's 
compared to other bikes so that's a plus.

Doug, thanks for the feedback. Pretty sums up what I'm starting to realize. 
If it was a 58, I probably wouldn't even think about it, but two sizes is 
hard to ignore. On the other hand, the 61 only has a 2cm longer top tube, 
the difference is mostly in stack.

Nate, yes this the one! The seller didn't post it on list but it was outed 
here by another member. Interesting that you remember this feeling large 
given the bikes you ride now. I kind of have that feeling too. What brakes 
did you use for the 650b conversion? I'm not interested in selling now but 
will let you know if that changes.

William, did you own a 26" Atlantis or just ride one? How does your 61 fit 
you? Did you feel noticeably cramped on the smaller size? It's odd to me 
that mine doesn't exactly feel small, but maybe part of that could be due 
to large tires and wide bars. 

Thanks for all the comments everyone. If there are any 61cm Atlantis riders 
in the Seattle area, I'd love to take yours for a spin. Will buy 
lunch/beer/etc!

Darin

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

[nathaniel nichols]

I used those cheap tektro oryx ones, they have a large enough slot to move the 
pad high enough for 584/650b wheels. it was an experiment so I wanted it to be 
cheap. and i sold it shortly after I received my boulder bicycles 650b. 

Oh yea, I remember exactly how that bike rides. I rode it quite a bit and it 
was one of my more serious purchases back then, I got it around 2013, it was 
very influential and still is on every bike build I still ride today

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