[RBW] WTB 66 or 68cm Atlantis

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Kurt,
Are you still looking for a 68cm Atlantis?

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: New to me Appaloosa Joe!

[REC (Roberta)]

Nick,

Congratulations on your first Riv.  My first (and only) Riv purchase was 
just over two years ago and also an Appaloosa, but in butterscotch, not the 
wonderful, watery blue of yours.  You're right about it allowing one to 
just enjoy the ride and the scenery. 

I wish you many happy, relaxed miles.

Roberta



On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 9:42:00 PM UTC-4, Nick Morehouse wrote:

> Re-posting because I typo'd Rivendelland I'm a little OCD lol.
>
> After over 7 years of following Rivendell, and spending countless hours on 
> this site, and any other that is even remotely related to Riv and Rivish 
> biking culture, I finally found myself in a position last month to purchase 
> my first true Riv (no offense meant to Marco the San Marcos).  One morning 
> while drinking my coffee before work, I stumbled upon a new post of a Local 
> Joe Appaloosa--in my size--in my favorite Joe color--and at a fair price! 
> So, after a couple days of worrying about my wife killing me, I went ahead 
> and made the plunge! AJ (short for Appaloosa Joe, which sounds to me like a 
> GREAT cowboy name!) somehow manages to take smoothness of the San Marcos, 
> and make it even smoother.  Standing next to each other you can see how 
> much longer AJ is!
>
>
>
> After the purchase I sadly had to Sell Marco.  He went on quiet a journey 
> however and landed with another Group member all the way in Spokane 
> Washington!  Shortly after the purchase I had to travel for a while so AJ 
> and I are still getting aquainted, we have been on several 3-5 mile rides 
> around the neighborhood with the family, but over the weekend I finally 
> took him out to stretch his legs...or chainstaysor wheels maybe?  
> Anyway, it was a perfect evening, and a perfect ride.  I really enjoy how 
> AJ makes me relax my pace and enjoy the scenery and the sensation of using 
> one of mankinds greatest inventions.
>
>
> -Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 64cm Rambouillet $900 plus shipping

[Scott Calhoun]

Ram is SOLD pending payment.

Thanks for all the interest.

Scott

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:30:03 AM UTC-7, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> I’m letting go of my well-loved Ram to help fund a bike tour with my 
> daughter in Spain this summer. 
>
> Frame has been well used—I climbed every paved pass in Arizona on it last 
> summer. It is a fine riding bicycle. It has a few scratches, but no dents 
> and is in great working shape. Looking at the bike today it looks like the 
> wheels could be trued up each one is out about a half a millimeter 
> laterally Mentor in this message on my phone I’ll try to add some photos 
> later 
> Build details: 
> Ultegra hubs, headset, 9 speed bar-end shifters, 
> Sugino triple 175mm cranks 
> Lugged nitto stem with 48cm noodles 
> Cro-mo seatpost (not sure of brand) 
> Mavic Open Pro SUP 32hole rims 
> Jack Brown 33.5mm tires (clearance for at least 35mm) 
> Diacompe 610 Centerpull brakes with newer Koolstop salmon pads. 
> No saddle or pedals 
>
> Scott Calhoun 
> Tucson, AZ

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[ctifusion]

>From my experience with those bars, a technomic will flex too much and maybe 
>even be dangerous. I'd stick with the dirt drop.

Brynnar
Indy

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[RBW] Re: New to me Appaloosa Joe!

[Nick Morehouse]

Joe,

I always seem to go back and forth on my love for Double tubers.  When I 
look at them in pictures it always seems odd, but when I look at them in 
real life, I always think it looks great! In the end, I'm a bigger guy, I 
ride bigger Rivs, and they come with Double Tubes!


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[RBW] Re: New to me Appaloosa Joe!

[Nick Morehouse]

Re-posting because I typo'd Rivendelland I'm a little OCD lol.

After over 7 years of following Rivendell, and spending countless hours on 
this site, and any other that is even remotely related to Riv and Rivish 
biking culture, I finally found myself in a position last month to purchase 
my first true Riv (no offense meant to Marco the San Marcos).  One morning 
while drinking my coffee before work, I stumbled upon a new post of a Local 
Joe Appaloosa--in my size--in my favorite Joe color--and at a fair price! 
So, after a couple days of worrying about my wife killing me, I went ahead 
and made the plunge! AJ (short for Appaloosa Joe, which sounds to me like a 
GREAT cowboy name!) somehow manages to take smoothness of the San Marcos, 
and make it even smoother.  Standing next to each other you can see how 
much longer AJ is!



After the purchase I sadly had to Sell Marco.  He went on quiet a journey 
however and landed with another Group member all the way in Spokane 
Washington!  Shortly after the purchase I had to travel for a while so AJ 
and I are still getting aquainted, we have been on several 3-5 mile rides 
around the neighborhood with the family, but over the weekend I finally 
took him out to stretch his legs...or chainstaysor wheels maybe?  
Anyway, it was a perfect evening, and a perfect ride.  I really enjoy how 
AJ makes me relax my pace and enjoy the scenery and the sensation of using 
one of mankinds greatest inventions.


I did ride about 5 miles of pretty rough gravel that really had me wanting 
to get some wider tires on there pronto, but it was worth it to sit by the 
lake for few minutes.



Finally as the sun crept through the trees we started heading back home. 
Hopefully I will have many more adventures to post on here in the coming 
months!

-Nick

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[RBW] New to me Appaloosa Joe!

[Joe Bernard]

Nice! I love that color, and I'm so jealous I don't fit double-tubers. Welcome 
to Rivland!

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[RBW] New to me Appaloosa Joe!

[Nick Morehouse]

After over 7 years of following Rivendel, and spending countless hours on 
this site, and any other that is even remotely related to Riv and Rivish 
biking culture, I finally found myself in a position last month to purchase 
my first true Riv (no offense meant to Marco the San Marcos).  One morning 
while drinking my coffee before work, I stumbled upon a new post of a Local 
Joe Appaloosa--in my size--in my favorite Joe color--and at a fair price! 
So, after a couple days of worrying about my wife killing me, I went ahead 
and made the plunge! AJ (short for Appaloosa Joe, which sounds to me like a 
GREAT cowboy name!) somehow manages to take smoothness of the San Marcos, 
and make it even smoother.  Standing next to each other you can see how 
much longer AJ is!



After the purchase I sadly had to Sell Marco.  He went on quiet a journey 
however and landed with another Group member all the way in Spokane 
Washington!  Shortly after the purchase I had to travel for a while so AJ 
and I are still getting aquainted, we have been on several 3-5 mile rides 
around the neighborhood with the family, but over the weekend I finally 
took him out to stretch his legs...or chainstaysor wheels maybe?  
Anyway, it was a perfect evening, and a perfect ride.  I really enjoy how 
AJ makes me relax my pace and enjoy the scenery and the sensation of using 
one of mankinds greatest inventions.


I did ride about 5 miles of pretty rough gravel that really had me wanting 
to get some wider tires on there pronto, but it was worth it to sit by the 
lake for few minutes.



Finally as the sun crept through the trees we started heading back home. 
Hopefully I will have many more adventures to post on here in the coming 
months!

-Nick

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 A. Homer Hilsen complete

[tc]

Hey all,
Just a few bites on the complete , so will offer the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 + 
packing and shipping.

Tom

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:41:32 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> $2000 + shipping to CONUS.  
>
> [image: AHH_For_Sale.jpg]
>
> > More Pic's here .
>
> I bought the entire build new (including wheel set) from Riv last year.  
> Immediately swapped out the Continental Contact Speed tires for Soma 
> Cazaderos when it arrived.
>
> I estimate I've got no more than 300 miles on it.  
>
> It looks pretty much brand new; no dings nor dents.  Rides great, as you'd 
> expect, and the blue paint is simply awesome.  This bike just overlaps 
> other bikes I'd rather keep, now that I've got a few things settled out.
>
> I'd really like to sell the complete bike (minus "Does not include" items 
> below), but may at some point be open to selling the F/F/H/BB 
> separately...I'll post here if/when it gets to that point.
>
> Sale includes the following:
>
>- 61.5 frame - fits PBH 89-93 according to Riv 
>.  My PBH is 90.5; SH is 79.5.
>- Map+Ahearn bar - 610mm silver
>- Meisha's cork grips - 1 coat of clear shellac
>- Crankset - Silver - Wide/low double 38x24 (with guard) - 178 crank 
>arm length
>- Tires - Soma Cazadero 700cx42
>- Inner Tubes - 700c x 28-44mm - Schwalbe SV18 XLite
>- Chain - 9 Speed
>- Wheelset - 700c - Velocity Dyad / Shimano Deore *silver* hubs, bto
>- Stem - Nitto Tallux - 25.4mm / 12cm
>- Cassette - 9 Speed 11-32t
>- Derailer - Rear - Shimano Deore (model M591)
>- Derailer - Front - Shimano CX70
>- Brake Levers - Mountain - Tektro
>- Brakes - Sidepull - Tektro R559, allen
>- Shifters - Thumb - MicroShift, 9 speed SL-T09 - Left friction only; 
>Right index/friction
>
>
> Does not include items that may be in pic's:
> Pedals, saddle, bags, bottle, bottle cage, pump.
>
> Will be packed by the only local, very professional shop I trust to pack 
> it (which may take a week or two to get in his queue), and shipped/insured 
> with BikeFlights.  We'll figure out packing and shipping costs based on 
> your CONUS location.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] Alvin Drysdale Review

[stoker]

Go HERE 

 to 
access the review 





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[RBW] Re: Maintenance advice, please

[Paul Burns]

Thanks so much--really appreciate it.  Will post pics when I get it sparkly.

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Do you have a workstand?  The "right" way to do things involves putting 
> the bike in the stand and proactively checking things.  If you don't have a 
> workstand, then it's a different approach, which is more reactive to the 
> bike telling you something is wrong when you ride it.  If the bike is going 
> in the stand, then your best advice will come from the "snobby mechanics 
> class" of iBobs.  If your bike is staying on the ground, or is getting 
> flipped upside down, then your best advice will come from the less-snobby 
> maintenance wing of iBobs.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:30:41 AM UTC-7, Paul Burns wrote:
>>
>> My Atlantis (Toyo built;  from 2000, I think) was in exile and had to sit 
>> for a number of years while I was abroad.  I want to get it running very 
>> fine and take good care of it.  It only has c. 2000 miles and has the 
>> original parts.  Other than normal cleaning and lubrication, do I need to 
>> do a more in-depth servicing of the headset, hubs, bottom bracket or 
>> derailleurs? 
>>
>> FWIW, it has: 
>> Suntour XC 9000 front hub 
>> Phil Woods rear hub 
>> Phil Woods bottom bracket 
>> Tange Falcon headset 
>>
>> Also:  it is a little dirty and dusty (see photo below).  What do you 
>> recommend I use to clean the paint?  Wheels?  Chain? 
>>
>> Water?  Vinegar water?  WD40?  Windex? 
>>
>> When possible I like to err on the side of the natural/non-chemical, but 
>> I want to take good care of this heirloom. 
>>
>> Thank you very much 
>> Paul
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

[Joe Bernard]

Nope, Spaceframe is a sloping toptube like Gus will be. That ain't no 
step-thru. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The bicycle in this link is emphatically not a step-through. Not by any 
stretch.




On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 2:04:05 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Great photo. Step though bikes are the future. I thought this was a Clem 
> but Jones Step through, though branded as a space frame. 
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuVT2fBnDN/?igshid=165s8gixyyqpr 
> 
>  
>
> I love the description Jones has of what is basically describing the 
> benefits of a step through bike. 
>
> The Spaceframe design was Jeff’s original frame design, and he designed it 
> to help him navigate the rocks and logs in the mountains of Southern 
> Oregon.  The frame’s top tube is low and out-of-the-way, which keeps the 
> bike out of your way on the bike in steep, technical terrain. A side 
> benefit of the low-slung design is that it’s also great for those with 
> shorter legs because the frame has a very low standover height.  Its 3D 
> Spaceframe design allows the rear end to flex vertically which makes for a 
> smooth ride, without the frame flexing torsionally. These flex 
> characteristics are most noticeable on the titanium version because of the 
> inherent flexibility of that material. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: F.S 56 cm. Simpleone

[Steve Butcher]

Hello Forum folks.  This is to announce the Simpleone has sold.  Thanks to 
all who looked and especially those who inquired.  Steve

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 8:05:14 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Bumping my Simpleone and adding a couple of bonus bags.  One Waxwing seat 
> wedge and one Gilles Berthoud Alex Singer mini front rack bag.  Both bags 
> are light blue grey in color with honey colored leather trim.  Both bags 
> are in excellent like new condition and stored indoors and never wet.  The 
> front bag fits nicely on the front rack on the Simpleone.  The price for 
> the entire package is still $1000.00 plus packaging and shipping from 
> 65804.  Please DM me off list with questions.  Steve
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 8:30:00 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>>
>> I don’t think it was a discount QB 
>> I honk it actually cost more than the latest QB when it was released. It 
>> was made in Taiwan instead of in Japan by  Panaracer.  According to GP in 
>> one of the blogs, geometry is “nearly identical”. It had a slightly fancier 
>> fork and a kickstand plate.  Not sure if he tubing is a touch stouter or 
>> not but I suspect it could be
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie

[Ed Carolipio]

I have the small GBW prototype and I used to own a Joe. To answer one 
question, no, I don't think the Gus is over built. I'm with Deacon Patrick: 
trust the descriptions which Grant is providing when picking one versus the 
other. For the Gus, his descriptions have been spot on.

As for big loads on a Susie, well, it's never a bad idea to load up a bike 
and head out somewhere...

--Ed C.

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:30:52 AM UTC-7, adam parsley wrote:
>
> Grant recommends going with a gus if you are over 165 lbs or under and 
> plan on carrying a full camping load. I have heard from a friend that the 
> atlantis feels a little over built. Has anyone felt that way about the Gus? 
> Would throwing a big load on the susie be a bad idea?
>

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[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

Thanks for your message, Manny, and my apologies for the delay in response 
(you should have it now, but let me know if you didn't receive it). 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Email sent 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 7:36:57 AM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>>
>> Last night, we attempted to get as many photos taken of the HHH as it 
>> will be sold before our rain started (again), so I must apologize if they 
>> seem a bit haphazard, but hopefully, we were able to capture as many areas 
>> as possible to get a clear idea of this tandem. The photos can be found 
>> here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157708525351885
>>
>> Additionally, I should point out that the fenders are not currently on 
>> the tandem. They are Velo Orange fenders (they are these 
>> )
>>  
>> and my wonderful hubby was running short on time and wasn't able to put 
>> them on the bike prior to photos (plus, he figured that they'd likely need 
>> to come off again for shipping purposes, regardless). If anyone needs/wants 
>> a photo of them, I'm happy to get that, so just let me know. Otherwise, the 
>> bike is pictured as it will be sold.
>>
>> Just one more note, I had stated that there is an approx. 1 in scratch 
>> across the top tube, but I also noticed some "hazing" from a couple of bags 
>> that have been placed on the bike. They are REALLY difficult to get a photo 
>> of, but you can get an idea in the one photo that has the red arrow 
>> pointing to a spot. There are actually two of these: one is just under the 
>> stoker handlebars from a bag we were using there and the other is in the 
>> triangle between the captain's seat tube and the bottom tube running back 
>> to the stoker area (again, there was a bag placed in this area). The paint 
>> is still good in these areas, but it may have rubbed some of the clear 
>> which has created the hazing.
>>
>> Thanks again to all!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-6, G.E. wrote:
>>>
>>> My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
>>> out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
>>> but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
>>> new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
>>> to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
>>> really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
>>> we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
>>> tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
>>> purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
>>> we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
>>> to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
>>> us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
>>> that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
>>> have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
>>> length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
>>> to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 
>>>
>>> Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
>>> quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
>>> first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
>>> any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
>>> free to ask any questions here or DM me.
>>>
>>> - Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue 
>>> color, not sage or orange)
>>>
>>> - 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)
>>>
>>> - Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be 
>>> replaced in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! 
>>> Never had a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended 
>>> tires on it due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider 
>>> tire (I believe up to 60mm) for a normal-height person. For reference 
>>> purposes, the captain is apprx. 5'3.75" with a 76 PBH (can JUST straddle 
>>> the top tube - barely - in the captain position) and stoker is 5'1" with a 
>>> 69 PBH (has no problems at all standing over rear top tube)
>>>
>>> - One set of Albatross bars and one set of Bosco bars
>>>
>>> -The drivetrain is set up as was recommended by Riv, and has 3x9 
>>> bar-ends; we did switch out the cog on the crank to a 50t (rather than the 
>>> 46t that came on it) because we were spinning out often; however, we can 
>>> include the 46t ring with the sale so the future owner will have the option 
>>> to go back to the smaller ring, if needed/wanted. So, at the moment it's 
>>> running 50-36-26 (or it may be a 24, I need

[RBW] Re: Many Things Cages with 64oz Klean Kanteen Bottles

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Right, Wally. The USB's turn the two sets of two bosses on the downtube into 
three each and the Many Things cages love it. https://snap.as/me/photos/LAhO7FN

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

[Jonathan D.]

Great photo. Step though bikes are the future. I thought this was a Clem but 
Jones Step through, though branded as a space frame. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuVT2fBnDN/?igshid=165s8gixyyqpr

I love the description Jones has of what is basically describing the benefits 
of a step through bike. 

The Spaceframe design was Jeff’s original frame design, and he designed it to 
help him navigate the rocks and logs in the mountains of Southern Oregon.  The 
frame’s top tube is low and out-of-the-way, which keeps the bike out of your 
way on the bike in steep, technical terrain. A side benefit of the low-slung 
design is that it’s also great for those with shorter legs because the frame 
has a very low standover height.  Its 3D Spaceframe design allows the rear end 
to flex vertically which makes for a smooth ride, without the frame flexing 
torsionally. These flex characteristics are most noticeable on the titanium 
version because of the inherent flexibility of that material.

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[RBW] Re: Maintenance advice, please

[Bill Lindsay]

Do you have a workstand?  The "right" way to do things involves putting the 
bike in the stand and proactively checking things.  If you don't have a 
workstand, then it's a different approach, which is more reactive to the 
bike telling you something is wrong when you ride it.  If the bike is going 
in the stand, then your best advice will come from the "snobby mechanics 
class" of iBobs.  If your bike is staying on the ground, or is getting 
flipped upside down, then your best advice will come from the less-snobby 
maintenance wing of iBobs.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:30:41 AM UTC-7, Paul Burns wrote:
>
> My Atlantis (Toyo built;  from 2000, I think) was in exile and had to sit 
> for a number of years while I was abroad.  I want to get it running very 
> fine and take good care of it.  It only has c. 2000 miles and has the 
> original parts.  Other than normal cleaning and lubrication, do I need to 
> do a more in-depth servicing of the headset, hubs, bottom bracket or 
> derailleurs? 
>
> FWIW, it has: 
> Suntour XC 9000 front hub 
> Phil Woods rear hub 
> Phil Woods bottom bracket 
> Tange Falcon headset 
>
> Also:  it is a little dirty and dusty (see photo below).  What do you 
> recommend I use to clean the paint?  Wheels?  Chain? 
>
> Water?  Vinegar water?  WD40?  Windex? 
>
> When possible I like to err on the side of the natural/non-chemical, but I 
> want to take good care of this heirloom. 
>
> Thank you very much 
> Paul

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[RBW] Re: Maintenance advice, please

[Philip Williamson]

Nice bike to come home to!

I'd give it a good washing with warm soapy water and a brush. That will let 
you 'take ownership' of it again, and really get to know it. 

   - Check the wheel trueness, derailleur adjustments, and brake action. 
   - Sand the brake pads a little, so they look fresh and clean. 

Assuming everything still shifts and works like it should, you could spend 
the overhaul money you save and spend it on new tires and NFS chain lube 
(expensive, but only uses a few drops).  

Good luck with the Atlantis!

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:30:41 AM UTC-7, Paul Burns wrote:
>
> My Atlantis (Toyo built;  from 2000, I think) was in exile and had to sit 
> for a number of years while I was abroad.  I want to get it running very 
> fine and take good care of it.  It only has c. 2000 miles and has the 
> original parts.  Other than normal cleaning and lubrication, do I need to 
> do a more in-depth servicing of the headset, hubs, bottom bracket or 
> derailleurs? 
>
> FWIW, it has: 
> Suntour XC 9000 front hub 
> Phil Woods rear hub 
> Phil Woods bottom bracket 
> Tange Falcon headset 
>
> Also:  it is a little dirty and dusty (see photo below).  What do you 
> recommend I use to clean the paint?  Wheels?  Chain? 
>
> Water?  Vinegar water?  WD40?  Windex? 
>
> When possible I like to err on the side of the natural/non-chemical, but I 
> want to take good care of this heirloom. 
>
> Thank you very much 
> Paul

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[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[Manuel Acosta]

Email sent 

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 7:36:57 AM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
> Last night, we attempted to get as many photos taken of the HHH as it will 
> be sold before our rain started (again), so I must apologize if they seem a 
> bit haphazard, but hopefully, we were able to capture as many areas as 
> possible to get a clear idea of this tandem. The photos can be found here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157708525351885
>
> Additionally, I should point out that the fenders are not currently on the 
> tandem. They are Velo Orange fenders (they are these 
> )
>  
> and my wonderful hubby was running short on time and wasn't able to put 
> them on the bike prior to photos (plus, he figured that they'd likely need 
> to come off again for shipping purposes, regardless). If anyone needs/wants 
> a photo of them, I'm happy to get that, so just let me know. Otherwise, the 
> bike is pictured as it will be sold.
>
> Just one more note, I had stated that there is an approx. 1 in scratch 
> across the top tube, but I also noticed some "hazing" from a couple of bags 
> that have been placed on the bike. They are REALLY difficult to get a photo 
> of, but you can get an idea in the one photo that has the red arrow 
> pointing to a spot. There are actually two of these: one is just under the 
> stoker handlebars from a bag we were using there and the other is in the 
> triangle between the captain's seat tube and the bottom tube running back 
> to the stoker area (again, there was a bag placed in this area). The paint 
> is still good in these areas, but it may have rubbed some of the clear 
> which has created the hazing.
>
> Thanks again to all!
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-6, G.E. wrote:
>>
>> My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
>> out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
>> but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
>> new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
>> to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
>> really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
>> we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
>> tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
>> purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
>> we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
>> to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
>> us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
>> that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
>> have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
>> length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
>> to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 
>>
>> Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
>> quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
>> first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
>> any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
>> free to ask any questions here or DM me.
>>
>> - Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue color, 
>> not sage or orange)
>>
>> - 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)
>>
>> - Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be replaced 
>> in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! Never had 
>> a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended tires on it 
>> due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider tire (I 
>> believe up to 60mm) for a normal-height person. For reference purposes, the 
>> captain is apprx. 5'3.75" with a 76 PBH (can JUST straddle the top tube - 
>> barely - in the captain position) and stoker is 5'1" with a 69 PBH (has no 
>> problems at all standing over rear top tube)
>>
>> - One set of Albatross bars and one set of Bosco bars
>>
>> -The drivetrain is set up as was recommended by Riv, and has 3x9 
>> bar-ends; we did switch out the cog on the crank to a 50t (rather than the 
>> 46t that came on it) because we were spinning out often; however, we can 
>> include the 46t ring with the sale so the future owner will have the option 
>> to go back to the smaller ring, if needed/wanted. So, at the moment it's 
>> running 50-36-26 (or it may be a 24, I need to double check). The cassette 
>> is 11-32. 
>>
>> - Cranks are both 170mm, purchased from Riv.
>>
>> - Ours was set up so that the disc (intended to be used as the drag 
>> brake) is used as the rear brake and a v-brake is used in the front. This 
>> could be fairly easily changed out if the ne

[RBW] Re: Maintenance advice, please

[Pancake]

Agreed that just a bit of water will be fine for most of that. Bikes are 
meant to withstand a bit of rain, so okay to spray it a bit with the hose 
nozzle on shower setting. Then I use a nylon brush (a toilet bowl cleaner 
works great, but dedicate one for the bike rather than getting the one you 
already have in the bathroom ;-). Avoid wetting any leather (like a brooks 
saddle) though. 

Feeling fancy and want to polish it up a bit and slightly protect some 
bits? Try a little lemon pledge (avoiding the rims).

If it sat for more than a few years it wouldn't hurt to just replace the 
cables and housing plus clean, lube the chain and 
derailleurs/jockey/pulley.The hubs and bottom bracket are fine without any 
attention. Then ride until something feels funny or makes noise and then 
give that part some attention. 

Very handsome bike, likes see a before and after picture of the dust to 
washed ride!


On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 9:07:57 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Others may (probably will) disagree, but if it's rolling smoothly without 
> any squeaks or grinds I'd just wipe it down with warm water and go ride. 
> I'm not a fan of The Big Disassembly unless the bike tells you it really 
> needs it.  

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[RBW] Re: Maintenance advice, please

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry that's upside down. That's today's sloppy snowy slushy muddy ride.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Maintenance advice, please

[Joe Bernard]

Others may (probably will) disagree, but if it's rolling smoothly without any 
squeaks or grinds I'd just wipe it down with warm water and go ride. I'm not a 
fan of The Big Disassembly unless the bike tells you it really needs it.  

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

[Joe Bernard]

A new shipment of Clem L is due shortly. It's not a new version. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mark’s Rack in Rear of 50 cm Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

HappiSack, light loads, is what I've deduced from convos here and elsewhere 
about the rack/bag situation. I think the Mark's Rack was a bad idea from the 
beginning, that tombstone thingy will interfere with the saddlebag. Leah's mom 
needs a Nitto Top Rack or similar.  

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[RBW] Gus or Susie

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There are three people who have ridden Gus with a load. I may exaggerate, but 
not by much. Only demo bike exist so far.

My GBW is built perfectly for classic mountain biking (aka hillybiking), with 
or without a load. The long wheelbase is brilliant. The forces involved with 
MTBing, even without doing stupid stuff, can be significant. I'd trust Grant 
and ride with abandon. Well, that's what I am doing, actually. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[Karl]

Thanks for that Laing! That helps!

Karl
Nash. TN

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 3:48:40 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> I have an 83 PBH and I have no trouble on my 60cm Betty. Very, very little 
> seat post shows. Gets the handlebars up high (Fillet Brazed BoscoMoose). A 
> great town bike. 
>
> Laing 
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of Karl 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 3:48 PM 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch > 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay 
>
> Jeff, 
>
> Why have you not bought this yet? Also, is 59cm a real Betty size? Worried 
> this won’t fit my 82cm PBH wife, or I’d have pulled the trigger! 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Karl 
> Nashville (Need a Betty) TN 
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[RBW] advice on 26x2.0 tires

[Adam Harms]

Check out the Sim Works Homage in 26x1.95, and the Swift Tire Rip Johnson 
Junior in 26x2.0. The homage has gravel king casing, and it seems to me the RJJ 
is a folding non tour guard  Pasela with some not so aggressive knobs. 

Adam

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mark’s Rack in Rear of 50 cm Cheviot

[Thomas Gillespie]

What bag and for what use? I agree about the tobstone possible problem.
Hold the rack in place (w bag on) and measure distance to
eyelets/braze-ons. New struts are the cheapest path forward but if the bag
/rack relationship is rocky from the start don't buy the ring.

Tom "Searching for Mrs Right Bike" Gillespie

On May 21, 2019 8:49 AM, "Will"  wrote:

> And if you're willing to look at a big Nitto, look into Tubus as well.
> We've had great experience with 4 racks (for the family) and associated
> roll top rear Ortlieb panniers. The beauty of the Tubus + Ortlieb setup is
> this: it takes about 5 seconds to attach or detach. You can carry
> lots-o-stuff without futzing with cargo nets, baskets, and 1950s era seat
> bags. It''s so simple you will actually use it.
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>   I would recommend the NITTO Big Back Rack, either the 32R or the 33R,
>> whichever fits your mom's bike. I know it's more expensive, but it safely
>> holds more weight, has a wider platform, supports big & little saddlebags
>> alike, super stable, and is damn useful. We have two, one on a Betty Foy,
>> one on a Hunqapillar. Hard to beat.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 700C wheel sets, tires, old school brake set and shifters

[Wesley Applequist]

Sorry for the delay. It’s been a busy week. Anyway, what speed cassette would 
fit on the Alex/Silver wheels?

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

[forest escape]

Riv posted a photo of a Rosco step-through on Instagram a couple of days 
ago, and somebody asked if it was a Clem. Rivendell replied "Rosco. Similar 
to the upcoming Clem Ls" (https://www.instagram.com/p/BxVSk8Rjci8/) Could 
there be a new, updated Clem L around the corner? I'm probably way 
over-excited about that comment... but anyway. Just chiming in. 

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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

[Scott Calhoun]

95 percent sure that is a gopher snake and not a rattler. I had one as a 
pet as a boy. Also, I see several rattler species here frequently (and 
gopher snakes) and this doesn't look like a rattler. See image here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/42389547@N00/3081243186

Scott Calhoun
Tucson, AZ

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:53:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I didn't see any rattles, so perhaps rat snake as you say. Heck, I've not 
> have been as retiring hand I known that. But long and fat!
>
> For the next couple of miles I started at each fallen branch in the road.
>
> This reminds me (onlookers rushing for cover) of finding a spitting cobra 
> in our woodpile and calling the snake park to come and catch it -- young 
> Brit on crutches with graspy stick. 
>
> On another occasion, evening, the dogs were frantic and we went outside to 
> see a fat, green pit viper (?) crawling down the driveway. The askari 
> bludgeoned it to death with his knobkerrie and my brother, 11 or 12 at the 
> time, stuffed it, poorly because it started to stink.
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:36 PM Jim M. > 
> wrote:
>
>> Rattles are pretty obvious on a snake that big.
>>  [image: Image result for rattlesnake rattle]
>>
>> I'm gonna guess a rat snake, which has a triangular head but is not a 
>> viper: 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> It did occur to me after I posted that i couldn't see anything that 
>>> looked like rattles -- not that I'd know rattles to recognize them.
>>>
>>> But this thing was in real life a lot fatter than it appears in the 
>>> photo, and the head looked triangular.
>>>
>>> Herpetologists ...?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick:

 Not an expert, but I’ve seen rattlers, and I don’t think that is one. 
 Rattlers are fatter and have a more distinctive pattern in heir backs. 
 Their heads are quite wide and flat. And one that long would have had 
 rattles. 

 Any snake experts out there?

 –Eric N


 On May 17, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 I photographically cut the head off this big rattler -- I assume it's a 
 rattler; I know nothing about snakes. I pulled off Corrales road onto the 
 adjacent ditch road and slammed on the brakes, as this bigfella was slowly 
 crossing in front of me. I courteously insisted he go first.

 4' long.

 With exceptionally generous rain -- for a city that gets an 
 east-to-west average of 9"/year -- the river was running at 2X its normal 
 flow -- this was 2 weeks ago; maybe more now; and this is before the 
 snowmelt runoff. Flooding in the lowlying areas adjacent to the river as I 
 road a nice 23 mile out 'n' back along the Corrales acequia roads.

 Patrick Moore, in balmy but windy ABQ, NM

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[RBW] Aesthetics Issue

[Christopher Murray]

I think a dirt drop stem looks great with moustache handlebars (or similar). 

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[RBW] Gus or Susie

[adam parsley]

Grant recommends going with a gus if you are over 165 lbs or under and plan 
on carrying a full camping load. I have heard from a friend that the 
atlantis feels a little over built. Has anyone felt that way about the Gus? 
Would throwing a big load on the susie be a bad idea?

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[RBW] FS 64cm Rambouillet $900 plus shipping

[Scott Calhoun]

I’m letting go of my well-loved Ram to help fund a bike tour with my daughter 
in Spain this summer. 

Frame has been well used—I climbed every paved pass in Arizona on it last 
summer. It is a fine riding bicycle. It has a few scratches, but no dents and 
is in great working shape. Looking at the bike today it looks like the wheels 
could be trued up each one is out about a half a millimeter laterally Mentor in 
this message on my phone I’ll try to add some photos later
Build details:
Ultegra hubs, headset, 9 speed bar-end shifters, 
Sugino triple 175mm cranks 
Lugged nitto stem with 48cm noodles
Cro-mo seatpost (not sure of brand)
Mavic Open Pro SUP 32hole rims 
Jack Brown 33.5mm tires (clearance for at least 35mm) 
Diacompe 610 Centerpull brakes with newer Koolstop salmon pads. 
No saddle or pedals

Scott Calhoun 
Tucson, AZ

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[RBW] Re: advice on 26x2.0 tires

[Tim Baldwin]

Another vote for Big Bens. I have the plus version since I ride areas with 
a lot of broken glass, potholes and debris. Smooth on pavement and does 
well on dirt and limestone trails.

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 7:03:56 PM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Greetings Bunch
>
> I'm looking for some new commuting / touring / gravelish tires for my 
> wife's Bruce Gordon BLT.
>
> She currently has the older Compass tires that had the pasela looking 
> tread.  They are 26x1.75
>
> [image: compass26x1-75.jpg]
>
>
> We've recently had the bike overhauled a little after about 10 years of 
> pretty hard use and the existing stainless steel fenders will allow some 
> slightly bigger rubber.
>
> She's starting to commute to work which is on a farm.  It's about a 6 mile 
> commute and there is about a mile and and a half of pretty large gravel.
>
> Any suggestions on a nice riding, somewhat supple, somewhat protective 
> tire (for Tubes) that would fit the bill.  something in 26x2.0 or 2.1 max 
> that is also not going to break the bank?
>
> She commutes and we do a couple of week long tours per year.  Ride plenty 
> of gravel and hard pack.  Not much mud.
>
> Thanks 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Mark’s Rack in Rear of 50 cm Cheviot

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I think she needs a different Nitto rack. She loves her Happisack (it’s BLUE! 
😂) and I don’t see her parting with it. Hopefully Vince calls her back today 
and they can get it straightened out. Thanks for your help, All!

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[RBW] Re: Mark’s Rack in Rear of 50 cm Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Well sure, she could trade the bike in for a Trek and forget all that "1950s 
era" stuff, too. 

She needs a rack on the bike she bought to support the bag she likes. There's 
no point in suggesting her bag is bad technology. 

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[RBW] Re: Mark’s Rack in Rear of 50 cm Cheviot

[Will]

And if you're willing to look at a big Nitto, look into Tubus as well. 
We've had great experience with 4 racks (for the family) and associated 
roll top rear Ortlieb panniers. The beauty of the Tubus + Ortlieb setup is 
this: it takes about 5 seconds to attach or detach. You can carry 
lots-o-stuff without futzing with cargo nets, baskets, and 1950s era seat 
bags. It''s so simple you will actually use it.   

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
>   I would recommend the NITTO Big Back Rack, either the 32R or the 33R, 
> whichever fits your mom's bike. I know it's more expensive, but it safely 
> holds more weight, has a wider platform, supports big & little saddlebags 
> alike, super stable, and is damn useful. We have two, one on a Betty Foy, 
> one on a Hunqapillar. Hard to beat.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Pool noodle as a safety device

[Johnny Alien]

We don't really have bike lanes where I am at so taking the road is for 
every bike not just assisted ones.  And most of the hardcore riders are 
probably going at least 20 MPH without assistance. 

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[RBW] Re: advice on 26x2.0 tires

[Tom Wyland]

+1 on Big Bens (raceguard type). They have a bit more tread than Big 
Apples.  You can get Marathon Greenguard in 26x2 as well, but they'll have 
thicker (tougher) sidewalks vs. the Big Ben (raceguard)

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 10:00:21 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I’ve always liked the Schwalbe big bens. I forget why I picked them over 
> the Big Apples but I think they are slightly higher performance? 
> Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pool noodle as a safety device

[ascpgh]

What I object to is the differentiation between "assisted" and "powered" 
being too fine for local government to discern and wield if those e-bike 
classifications aren't already codified. The drift from "assist" to 
fully-propelled guided by the mantra of more-is-better is at play here and 
local authorities don't seem to be keeping up. 

My urban environment becomes Appalachian in the span of a single ride that 
includes parts of the GAP and the lawmaking encompassing those separate 
worlds is slow and often antagonistic.

The good news is that in those less urban realms, the e-things don't go far 
from the parking lots and access points. They are more of a hazard/nuisance 
closer in where some commuters try using them. 

At least the springtime hordes of Pep Boys electric motorcyle look-alike 
"toys" piloted by inexperienced, unhelmeted, unlicensed adolescents seem to 
choose the streets instead of the MUPs. By mid-summer their batteries don't 
keep enough charge to be interesting and disappear until the next spring 
swarm is purchased and released into the streets. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 4:58:28 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> So you'd object to a Class 1 e-bike being ridden in the bike lane (Class 1 
> motors only run when you turn the pedals, and in Europe anyway, assist 
> stops at 15.5 mph)?  
>
> I wouldn't quail at lumping Class 2 e-bikes (i.e., throttles but pedaling 
> isn't required) in with motorcycles and motor scooters and mopeds, and you 
> could even make an argument that a Class 3 e-assist (you have to pedal but 
> assist runs up to 28 mph in the US) don't belong in bike lanes (even though 
> most communities in the US allow Class 3 in bike lanes but not on bike 
> trails).  Class 3 bikes are big, powerful and in general pretty heavy.  
> It's difficult if not impossible to ride one without engaging the motor.
>
> But honestly, a Class 1 e-assist bike has a lot more in common with an 
> unmotorized bicycle than it does with a motor scooter.   The latest 
> generation of Class 1 road e-assist bikes with motors like the Fazua or the 
> Ebikemotion X35 are pretty light, about in the high 20s, where a typical 
> Bike Boom 10-speed would be.  They're intended to be ridden much of the 
> time without motor assist, and as I said, assist cuts out at a fairly low 
> speed.
>
> Other than ideology, what is the nature of your objection?  Or is it just 
> simplistic ideology, such as Christopher's "if it's a cycle with a motor, 
> it's a motorcycle" totally devoild of any nuance?
> On 5/20/19 4:07 PM, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Yep! I, too have no problem with e-bikes and e-scooters and motorcycles 
> and motor scooters. Just as long as they are not in the bike lane — that 
> is, an official lane, at the edge of the street or road, created for 
> pedal-powered bicycles. (It would also be awesome if the various motorized 
> vehicles were given an earth tax for whatever energy they entail or 
> consume. But an accurate tax would be hard to levy because one e-bike might 
> be powered by a windmill and another might be powered by a coal-burning 
> plant, right?) 
>
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 5:26:02 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote: 
>>
>> I'm with you D. Patrick. If it's a cycle with a motor, it's a motorcycle. 
>> Electric, gas, whatever. I'm not anti motorcycle, I own and enjoy one. Just 
>> keep the motors off the bicycle paths/trails. 
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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