date:20191120

My favorite part of this story is Leah has an Italian cobbler who looks over 
his glasses and chews her out. I totally "watched" this in my mind as a 
black-and-white film from the '40s 😁

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Re: [RBW] Let me introduce my new friend, Sam, properly

Welcome, and thanks for an interesting report. And, nice bike!

Curious: That's a very short stem, no? I use 8s or 9s on my Rivs, and yours
looks even shorter. And that leads to a question: What is the st
measurement, c-c, of your Sam, and what is the effective tt measurement?
One former Riv I owned was an original issue, green ,canti Sam, a 55 that
had a 59 cm tt, compared to my "normal" size -- for flat top tube -- of 60
X 56-57 c-c. The slacker st angle took care of some of that, but even
putting the saddle more forward by a cm or so still left more tt than I
wanted for drop bars; Noodles, in my case; one reason I sold it. I wonder
how it would have felt with a, what, 6 cm stem? For yours, I guess that
such a magnificently wide bar requires a very short stem?

Also, am I right in thinking that current Sams take fatter tires than those
original Sams? Certainly, 42s with fenders would have been a stretch on
mine, IIRC -- I ran Jack Green browns or Jack Brown greens; forget which,
but with fenders, I rather think there would not be room for 42s.

And, what is the width of those knobbies?

I think that, even with the too-long tt, if my Sam had been able to take
true 50s, I would not now be riding a custom (sandy soil) dirt road bike.
For me, the Sam -- again, original model -- felt a bit sluggish on
pavement, tho' perhaps that was a result of the Jack Browns/Greens, which
rated very slow on BQ's rolldown tests; not that it was "bad;" only that it
didn't have the spriteliness of the other Riv road bikes I've ridden. But
as a dirt road bike, it would have been wonderful if it could have fit
tires wide enough for our sandy soil.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:37 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> So, I'm a life-long bike geek that raced XC mountain biking in the early
> 90s, competed in biketrials in the late 90s, then got into freeride
> mountain biking and downhill racing in the 2000s.  I didn't really care
> about pavement-based riding until the mid-2000s, when I got into fixed gear
> bikes. In the late 2000s, I discovered cyclotouring, and in the early 2010s
> I discovered randonneuring. I still ride what Grant would consider a
> "motocross" type mountain bike, doing "stunt riding" as he'd call it. I
> also happen to live in Vancouver BC, which is the world's mecca of extreme
> mountain biking.
>
> All that to say, I've taken quite the path to end up owning a Rivendell,
> although they've been on my radar for almost 20 years. When I got into
> touring, I certainly coveted the Atlantis, but I wasn't willing to spend
> that kind of money on a frameset. I'm not exactly rich today either, but I
> think my appreciation for detail has increased to the point I was able to
> justify a (lower cost) Riv. This decision was accelerated by the impending
> end of my favourite model of the past few years, the Hillborne.
>
> A Soma Grand Randonneur donated its components for this build, which had
> been a great bike for me and has taken me on some big rides to cool places.
> I knew full well that I was moving to a "slower" bike by all standard
> measures, but I was excited by the new possibilities. I wanted to expand
> what I could do on this, my most expensive, bike. I wanted to be able to go
> on tours both on- and off-road, ride through some of the local forests with
> friends, yet also keep up with my roadie buddies (as best as I can) on
> pavement-based weekend club rides. I wanted a bike that will be up for
> anything.
>
> Obviously that requires compromise, but I am pretty impressed by how
> little compromising I've had to do.  As you can see in the photos, my Sam
> has a split personality - fenders and Rene Herse 42c slicks, or
> Ultradynamico semi-knobby tires. It's kind of a pain to switch between the
> two, but the rest of the build works so well for either version I can't
> imagine changing anything in the near future. The bike is not quite as
> quick as my Soma, but damned if it isn't close. The comfort is incredible,
> and that was a surprise, as the Soma is a very compliant frame (much
> thinner walled, both in frame and fork). It's much more stable than the
> Soma, yet carves a turn so well I nearly over-steer sometimes. This might
> be partly the hugely wide, 645mm Towel Rack handlebars.
>
> This bike is new to me only this once, and I hope to break my tendency of
> switching bikes every few years with this one. I hope to be riding this
> bike 10, even 20 years from now. Only time will tell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sun Race Thumb Shifters/Jewelry

I love that you wore them like rings. So pretty! 😁 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

All the Brooks colors are a dye in the leather and they all eventually darken 
with use over the years. Even your Select which doesn't have a color has done 
it, and I think it adds a nice patina..I love to look at Brooks saddles that 
have a history in them. I can't pick between aqua and black, I think they both 
would look smashing on your new bike.

Wavy fenders are very classy. I dig em!

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[RBW] Re: Clem Bosco Basket Light Mount

2019-11-20 Thread Jason Fuller


I especially like it because it stiffens the stock Wald supports at the 
same time, which are the weak link of that system. Nice!

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I love what you’ve done here! The saddle and fenders! 😍 Does the blue rub off 
the Brooks? Seems I’ve seen a photo where it did...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:46 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Exactly! A little pop of color at the end of the bars is what I was looking 
> for when I got the Rivendell Hunt-Wilde grips for my latest Schwinn Le Tour 
> mixte aka Cheviut wannabe.(I was trying to avoid the two prevailing colorways 
> for orange bikes--Creamsicle and Halloween. I think I succeeded if I do say 
> so...) The H-Bs are not quite as fat and juicy as the grips on my old 5-speed 
> Schwinn Suburban, but very comfy nevertheless. If you can't handle the red, 
> there is black.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Couple more shots:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/KqSiPQjPygLfbpJB9
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 2:13:00 PM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>> I mean, what’s wrong with blue, “limited” or aqua? Grips are usually a place 
>> I look for a little pop of color... 
>> 
>> https://esigrips.com/mtb-grips/extra-chunky-blue 
>> 
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[RBW] FS Nitto Tallux, 12 cm

Stem is sold! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Peter White has basic but thorough (and classic!) advice for setting up a
bike comfortably. I agree with him that you ought to set saddle position
first before choosing a stem. Scrolls as needed, and note section on saddle
fore-and-aft position.

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.php

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 2:56 AM tc  wrote:

> Leah, you asked, "But, if I *were* to spurge again and get a new stem, how
> would I know what size to try next?"
>
> Here's one way:
>
>1. Position your saddle to where it feels most
>comfortable/efficient/powerful when pedaling, regardless of your reach to
>the handlebar.
>2. Attach a small piece of masking tape on your handlebar such that
>you can easily remove it.
>3. While pedaling on a level, safe path or road -- or while seated on
>your bike but leaning up against a garage wall using your shoulder for
>balance -- slide one hand backward on the grip until you hit the position
>that feels right.
>4. Then with the other hand, remove the tape and mark the location of
>the front of the hand you've slid backward.
>5. Measure the distance (in cm) between the front of the grip and the
>back edge of the masking tape, and subtract that distance from 9 (assuming
>you currently have a stem with a 9cm reach) to determine the length of the
>stem you need.  Obviously given stem sizes you'll need to round to the
>nearest cm.
>
> If the distance measured in step 5 is 4cm or less, (IOW, you need a 50mm -
> 80mm stem), you can get one from Ben's Cycle (Nitto NTC-DX Technomic
> Deluxe) or elsewhere if you can find it.  If it's more than 4cm, then
> you'll likely need to look into something like an after-market Analog
> wRight stem with basically a 0mm reach.  Either would make a great
> Christmas stocking stuffer :)
>
> When stem buying, pay attention to the stem clamp diameter.  Boscos have a
> 25.4mm diameter where the stem clamps on, and therefore need a stem with a
> 25.4mm clamp diameter.  If the stem you want only comes with a 26mm clamp
> diameter, you can get shims to make up the difference.  Riv sells'em here:
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-stainless-handlebar-shim-25-4-to-26-0-16095
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:48:58 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Tom, the Clems. I’ve got it bad. We have enough in my family and extended
>> family that I think our family crest should be the Clem headbadge. Forget
>> that sewer guy.
>>
>> I’m agonizing over the stem. I just purchased the 90 and paid to have it
>> installed. I wish the bars came just a smidge closer to me, but I don’t
>> think I want to pay for all these things all over again. I compromised and
>> moved my saddle just a tiny bit, and I still think my butt is behind the
>> pedals, so hopefully I’m not screwing up my knees too badly.
>>
>> But, if I *were* to spurge again and get a new stem, how would I know
>> what size to try next? Should I go for an 80 or down to a 70? These are the
>> things that make me so sad I don’t live by anyone I know from this List.
>> Curses!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2019, at 4:11 PM, tc  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey Leah, awesome build you have going!  If you don't already have one of
>> the Riv Clem posters, you need to get one.  You are one with Clem if anyone
>> ever was.
>>
>> As for your reach to the bars, I would humbly suggest NOT adjusting your
>> fore-aft position saddle position just yet.  Doing so may not be the right
>> thing for your knees.  The optimal and most comfortable butt-to-crank/pedal
>> horizontal dimension should not be compromised to fix a handlebar reach
>> issue if you can help it.  Rather, get a shorter stem if you can and try
>> that first.  You can actually get a really short reach Nitto Technomic
>> Deluxe long quill stem from Ben's Cycle, all the way down to a 50mm reach
>> for $66:
>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
>>
>> As I write this, they have 2 in stock.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Here you go:
https://ridepdw.com/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=24829153601#

And this is a photo -- somewhat hard to see them -- installed on their
VO-type fender struts.
https://ridepdw.com/collections/discount-eligible/products/full-metal-fenders-650-beast-65mm?variant=31282542247993

I thought about getting some of these, but even with rather tight fender
clearances on my dirt road bikes, I've not yet -- in some 10 or so years of
using fenders on (dry, flattish, but often gravely, with not infrequent
sticks) dirt I've had no problem; OTOH, the one time I experienced "stick
wheel lockup" -- I was the observer, not the patient -- was when I was
following my brother through bosque singletrack, he riding bare-wheeled
knobbies. He caught a stick; I, with fenders (and smooth tires) did not.

I'd guess that with no knobs, you'd be fine with metal fenders, especially
if you have the standard clearances.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 8:17 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> If you provide sufficient clearance and are on paved paths that aren't
> strewn with sticks, then "highly unlikely" is an understatement.  I
> recall back a few years ago when this question first came up, Jan
> questioned all the old time French randonneurs he was in contact with,
> all of whom used metal fenders.  None of them had ever heard of such a
> crash.
>
> But if you're really worried about this extremely remote possibility,
> I'm pretty sure I recall a discussion somewhere in the past couple of
> years about 3rd party breakaway tabs for metal fenders.  I don't have a
> reference handy, but perhaps someone on list recalls this.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I’m really glad we’re having this conversation and that so many people have
added their perspectives. I have truly enjoyed learning from you and exploring
your different ideas and perspectives. I have found this really valuable and
also...fun. Maybe there’s someone else out there thinking the same thing.

Because of you all, I’m on the home stretch of getting this Clem set up so that
I’m free to love it to death. I feel confident in what you said about fenders
being low-risk. I’m online on another forum reading responses to a man who
asked my question, and it seems really rare to have a bad crash from a front
fender debacle.

1. So, let’s just say I go with the VO wavy silver fenders. Is wavy tacky? I
figured it would hide the dents, plus it’s unique.

2. Then, saddles. I’ve always, always been partial to honey-colored saddles,
but this Clem seems to beg for black with copper rivets and rails. If you look
at the brake bridges and those little parts on the bike, they’re a gunmetal
color. Really sharp with the blue Clem paint. Or maybe I should get one of the
limited edition Brooks colors. I do like the Ergon grips (they just spoil you
for comfort), and I’m thinking I will keep them. I could swap them for brown if
we vote I keep my brown Select saddle. Or, I keep the black grips and put a
black or limited edition color saddle on the bike. It’s so hard to decide.

An aside about loving things to death. I have 2 pairs of Frye boots I took to
the cobbler last week. I have worn them for years, polishing them myself but
wearing the heels down to the nails. I procrastinated taking them in for
service because I didn’t want to part with them. The cobbler, a fastidious man,
looked over the top of his glasses and scolded me in his charming Italian
accent, “You’ll have back problems! You wear these this way? And you want me to
fix this, I suppose!”

That’s how I want use this bike. I’m going to ride it until it feels like part
of me and I never have to think one thing about it. No more, “I wish the bars
were closer” or “I don’t trust that it won’t fall apart on me on the downhill”;
no more uncertainty about how tight I can make a turn as I wheel it out of a
tight space. I want to instinctively know where to grasp the frame when I lift
it over the curb on campus, and how brace myself for the distribution of the
bike’s weight when I carry it. I want the mechanic to look askance at me and
scold me for bringing my Clem in in such a state.

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[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

2019-11-20 Thread Jason Fuller

Wow, my biggest contribution to this group is and will probably continue to 
be just providing Luis a platform for that post! I am really glad you 
popped in when you did, and shared those experiences! I completely 
empathize with your history and feelings about the AHH, and to be honest, I 
did kind of expect the ending! When I posted up the OP, I sincerely hoped 
the new AHH geometry would end up winning me over. 

Anxious to see these photos as well!

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Toyo Atlantis, partial build

2019-11-20 Thread Andrew Nussbaum

Sent you a PM. Let me know if it went through.

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Re: [RBW] There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-20 Thread Ian A

Reed Idlewild sent me a link to his description on fit. Many thanks to Reed. 
Here it is:-

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lBVAx8HXfPswofv9q6NKFCw9pBrjeOmNxfpfSR3ZDVo/edit?usp=sharing

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Clem Bosco Basket Light Mount

2019-11-20 Thread PaulS

Nice. Throw on some boiled lindseed oil and it should last a long time. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

On 11/20/19 10:02 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
I’m glad Roberta chimed in about fenders because I’d forgotten about
the break always and I’m getting cold feet about the VO fenders with
no break away tabs. I really, really fear the going-over-the-bars kind
of crashes. I realize this is highly unlikely with the riding I do
(commuting on paved paths) but...yikes.

If you provide sufficient clearance and are on paved paths that aren't
strewn with sticks, then "highly unlikely" is an understatement. I
recall back a few years ago when this question first came up, Jan
questioned all the old time French randonneurs he was in contact with,
all of whom used metal fenders. None of them had ever heard of such a
crash.

But if you're really worried about this extremely remote possibility,
I'm pretty sure I recall a discussion somewhere in the past couple of
years about 3rd party breakaway tabs for metal fenders. I don't have a
reference handy, but perhaps someone on list recalls this.

This is especially disappointing because I was really liking the looks
of those fancy VO metal “wavy” fenders.

Is there any fix for it? Or am I back to SKS.

Deacon Patrick - would you still say metal fenders without break aways
for the rough riding you do?

I'd be more worried about being robbed at gunpoint on an urban paved
path than I would about a crash from a stick. That actually does
happen around here - rarely, but it does happen.

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Alexandria, Virginia
USA

Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I’m glad Roberta chimed in about fenders because I’d forgotten about the break 
always and I’m getting cold feet about the VO fenders with no break away tabs. 
I really, really fear the going-over-the-bars kind of crashes. I realize this 
is highly unlikely with the riding I do (commuting on paved paths) but...yikes. 
This is especially disappointing because I was really liking the looks of those 
fancy VO metal “wavy” fenders. 

Is there any fix for it? Or am I back to SKS. 

Deacon Patrick - would you still say metal fenders without break aways for the 
rough riding you do?

Worrying in the desert (haha),
Leah
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> On Nov 20, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> So many great ideas here!
> 
> Mike--These are real cork, like what Riv used to sell?  I have the Miesha's 
> grip on my bike and love the putting the palms of my hands over the bulbus 
> hump in the middle.  Very comfy.Riv recommended a new shifter for me, but 
> said I'd need to destroy my grips, so I'll just live with the current 
> shifter.   
> 
> Steve, Alex, masmojo, Deacon P, Patrick (I hope I didn't leave anyone out)-- 
> Do metal fenders have the quick release (breakaway) tabs that SKS fenders 
> have? 
> 
> Leah--  on my She-Devil with 38 cm tires, I have SKS fenders that just fit 
> the tires (I think they are recommended for tires up to 38 cm ), installed by 
> my favorite now-Riv owning mechanic.  They look great and since I'm not a 
> ride-in-the-rain person, they will be fine for me.   The wider fenders looked 
> too floppy, not sleek.  But you know that I don't ride that bike much.
> 
> I have SKS fenders on my Joe A, installed by extremely capable James from 
> Analogue cycles.  These fenders are the right size for my wider tires, full 
> coverage and are better if I'd ride in the rain, but don't look nearly as 
> sleek.  I choose SKS because of the price and the break away tabs.  I get 
> real satisfaction when I hear something between my tires and fenders, knowing 
> that otherwise it would be on me!  I'd go with silver.   Your bike will be 
> super-awesome, not just awesome.
> 
> Roberta
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 2:32:55 PM UTC-5, Mike Packard wrote:
>> These are very classy and comfortable: 
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/cork-grips
>> 
>> Pro tip: mount backwards so that you have a nice little bump that feels good 
>> to grip. I have the black version but you can see the bump.
>> 
>> Mike
>> Austin
>> 
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[RBW] New, discounted Riv. frames for sale in Brooklyn -- Atlantis, Roadini, Sam, Clem L

2019-11-20 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

And 50% off everything in the store! Tonight I picked up a fillet bullmoose, 
some tools, a lovely ostrich handlebar bag, and their remaining newbaums, for 
50 pennies on the dollar. Unreal deals! Worth a trip, and the more they sell 
the easier the transition to a new space, hopefully closer to my place...
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

2019-11-20 Thread esoterica etc


Here, here! Welcome to the group and kudos on the intro. Now I second Bill’s 
request: show us some pics!

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 20:58, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's a helluva first post, Luis!  Please don't make it your last.  Most 
> importantly, let's see photos of your Homer build!
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:25:28 PM UTC-8, Luis Garcia wrote:
>> Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas.  I believe this is my 
>> first post on the RBW Owners Bunch.  I find this thread very interesting.  
>> This past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT AHH.  I first 
>> learned about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I got back into 
>> cycling after laying off for a few short years.  At that time, I was ready 
>> to shed the racer wannabe mentality that I had been holding onto over many 
>> years.  Since then, I have done lots of learning, lots of experimenting with 
>> different types of bikes, and eventually determined that sport tourers were 
>> the bikes for me.  I currently own an '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510.  I 
>> consider these my "poor man's Homers" (They fit 700 x 37 tires).  When 
>> Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT Homers with super long chainstays, 
>> different geometry, and super tall head tubes,  I was aghast. I thought my 
>> benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!  At the time, the only redeeming 
>> quality I could see was the lower price of entry into the world of 
>> Rivendell.  As time went by, I studied and read more.  I became convinced 
>> that the new Homer would be good.  Maybe not as good as the original Homer, 
>> but good enough for me. This past spring when Riv offered 10% off on larger 
>> sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one.  Man oh man, I am so glad that I 
>> pulled the trigger!  I have never ridden an original Homer.  The closest 
>> bikes to an original Homer I have ridden are my aforementioned Treks.  For 
>> me, there is no comparison.  I now see the new Homers as the current state 
>> of the art for non-racing road bike design.  Yes, the new Homers look 
>> different.  Yes, several people have called my Homer a very nice cruiser.  
>> They haven't got a clue. I rarely ride any of my other bikes now, and I do 
>> mean rarely.  I love my MIT Homer.  Hope this helps.
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[RBW] Re: Clem Bosco Basket Light Mount

Love it!  Cooler than a dowel.  Very Clem appropriate.  

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 8:10:28 PM UTC-5, J Imler wrote:
>
> After seeing Roberta's recent saddle bag quick release dowel idea, I felt 
> compelled to share my Clem Bosco Basket light mount. Mine's not a dowel, 
> but a sawed up branch. It feels Clem appropriate to me.
>
> [image: IMG_0287.jpg][image: IMG_0286.jpg][image: IMG_0288.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] WTB Choco Moose handlebars

...and now that I've taken another look at the Susie pre-sale page, now I 
have the perfect excuse to buy a frameset to go on the handlebars I just 
ordered!  

IRON. CLAD. LOGIC.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:27:41 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Confirmation email received. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:00:36 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Haha!  That's pretty surprising but there it is.  I went ahead and 
>> ordered it which ended up at $115 total.  I'll report back as the order is 
>> processed.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 9:29:49 AM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>>
>>> Bluelug has them for 82 dollars + shipping.
>>>
>>> Sky in new wesr
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I'd like to buy a set of Choco Moose handlebars.  The most recent for 
>>> sale post I've found was $110 shipped, so I'll offer $120 shipped.  If your 
>>> Holiday cash pile is too small and your handlebar pile is too large, let me 
>>> know and I'll try to help balance them out. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sun Race Thumb Shifters/Jewelry

Bill, Oh my gosh. That is so embarrassing. 😩

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah
> 
> Yep, I totally read your OP as you showing off the stuff you bought, not that 
> you were modeling stuff for sale. HAHA
> 
> BL in EC
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>> SOLD, even though I stupidly forgot the FOR SALE in the title of the post. 
>> Seller hasn’t decided if he is wearing the shifters or if his bike is. Maybe 
>> he’ll report back here.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

That's a helluva first post, Luis!  Please don't make it your last.  Most 
importantly, let's see photos of your Homer build!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:25:28 PM UTC-8, Luis Garcia wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas.  I believe this is 
> my first post on the RBW Owners Bunch.  I find this thread very 
> interesting.  This past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT 
> AHH.  I first learned about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I 
> got back into cycling after laying off for a few short years.  At that 
> time, I was ready to shed the racer wannabe mentality that I had been 
> holding onto over many years.  Since then, I have done lots of learning, 
> lots of experimenting with different types of bikes, and eventually 
> determined that sport tourers were the bikes for me.  I currently own an 
> '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510.  I consider these my "poor man's Homers" 
> (They fit 700 x 37 tires).  When Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT Homers 
> with super long chainstays, different geometry, and super tall head tubes, 
>  I was aghast. I thought my benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!  At 
> the time, the only redeeming quality I could see was the lower price of 
> entry into the world of Rivendell.  As time went by, I studied and read 
> more.  I became convinced that the new Homer would be good.  Maybe not as 
> good as the original Homer, but good enough for me. This past spring when 
> Riv offered 10% off on larger sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one. 
>  Man oh man, I am so glad that I pulled the trigger!  I have never ridden 
> an original Homer.  The closest bikes to an original Homer I have ridden 
> are my aforementioned Treks.  For me, there is no comparison.  I now see 
> the new Homers as the current state of the art for non-racing road bike 
> design.  Yes, the new Homers look different.  Yes, several people have 
> called my Homer a very nice cruiser.  They haven't got a clue. I rarely 
> ride any of my other bikes now, and I do mean rarely.  I love my MIT Homer. 
>  Hope this helps. 

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[RBW] Re: Sun Race Thumb Shifters/Jewelry

Leah

Yep, I totally read your OP as you showing off the stuff you bought, not 
that you were modeling stuff for sale. HAHA

BL in EC

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
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> SOLD, even though I stupidly forgot the FOR SALE in the title of the post. 
> Seller hasn’t decided if he is wearing the shifters or if his bike is. 
> Maybe he’ll report back here.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Mark, if the effective toptube length looks right to you I say go for it, it's 
a long bike. My PBH is 80-ish and I fit my 52 H (recent model) with the 
Bosco Bars up as high as they'll go, and sitting upright at the ends (needed 
for my arthritis). 

You'll get more seatpost showing, mine is at 'fistful of post' visible. At the 
stock bars you should have lots of room to go from bolt upright, to all the way 
to the flats for getting out of the wind. Or if you need a smidge less 
reach-back just about any other bar will open the cockpit up. I hope this helps 
and welcome!

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Hi Mark! 

I’m so excited for you to get a Clem. Is there a 52 available for you 
somewhere? Clems really are great bikes; dead useful and so comfortable. And 
with the cream accents and gorgeous color and fancy seat lug, they’re fancy in 
their own right. 

I suspect you COULD ride that 52. Joe Bernard might speak to the measurements 
(because he’s been helping me figure out what the heck is going on via 
Instagram) for us. This bike is just much larger than the Clementine, which 
would be just the ticket for you. I probably could have ridden the 45 in the 
new iteration. The stem was a 12 and now I’ll be installing a 5 or 6. The 9 
just wasn’t close enough for my liking. This is good news for you!!! Let’s find 
you a 52!

PS these bikes are hot stuff, so if you take your chance on a 52 and decide 
you’d have preferred a 59, you’ll have no trouble selling.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Leah,
> 
> This is my first post, but I've been following your Clem adventures and the 
> other Clem talk here. I'm glad you got the fit issue worked out.
> 
> I've wanted a Clem for a while now and almost bought the web special 59, but 
> really like this new geometry, so decided to wait (plus wanting something 
> more colorful than the Grilver - pretty as it is). Seeing your bike, I wonder 
> if a 52 in the new geometry might be fine for me with a 30" saddle height 
> (pbh about 88). I was concerned about the amount of stem extension I'd need, 
> but it looks like I'd be fine and also have a more useful loaner size.
> 
> I don't think that the seat tube angle changed, so you probably want to make 
> your adjustments with the stem if possible. As you know, changing the saddle 
> will change your position over the pedals, which I suppose could be better, 
> or worse. For my part, I always have a Brooks jammed back as far as it can 
> go, but everybody is different. The Clem might finally give me enough room to 
> scoot back as far as I want.
> 
> Keep posting your Clem enthusiasm; it's contagious.
> 
> Mark
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[RBW] Re: New, discounted Riv. frames for sale in Brooklyn -- Atlantis, Roadini, Sam, Clem L

2019-11-20 Thread Andrew Nussbaum

I wish that Atlantis were my size!

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 5:25:17 PM UTC-7, Conor Skelding wrote:
>
> This is part of the moving sale of 718 Cyclery in Gowanus. No affiliation 
> (other than occasional customer).
>
> Frames 
> 
> :
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> They also have a complete Sam (link 
> ),
>  
> which having seen IRL is nice (too small for me).
>
> [image: image.png]
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[RBW] New, discounted Riv. frames for sale in Brooklyn -- Atlantis, Roadini, Sam, Clem L

2019-11-20 Thread Conor Skelding

This is part of the moving sale of 718 Cyclery in Gowanus. No affiliation
(other than occasional customer).

Frames

:

[image: image.png]

They also have a complete Sam (link
),
which having seen IRL is nice (too small for me).

[image: image.png]

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[RBW] Re: Roadini/Roadeo official tire clearance uprated?

2019-11-20 Thread Steven Garen

I have Paul racers on my Roadeo and have fit 32mm tires with honjo fenders 
on 19mm internal rims. Yes it worked, but it was annoying because leaves 
kept getting caught. Thankfully never had anything significant get stuck 
cuz worst case that could crumple the metal fender and jam it into the 
wheel causing a not fun crash. So 28s work awesome with fenders. But this 
winter I may split the difference and try Challenge 30s with fenders. 
RItchey also makes a roadish 30mm tire. Without fenders I clear Compass 35s 
on 19mm internal rims just fine. I hesitate to jam 38s because that seems 
like it would get a little wide for my rims, and 35s feel plush and fast. 
If anything, considering building some velocity quills (21mm internal) to 
eek out a little more footprint on the 35s.



On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 6:51:38 PM UTC-8, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Matt said, "So what should I believe?"
> Believe it all. There just isn't one answer that fits everyone's 
> situation. Yes, someone has fit 38's in a Roadini, despite Rivendell 
> recommending 35mm as the max. That doesn't mean Rivendell was too 
> conservative, it just means someone was willing to fit a 38 in there with 
> very little clearance for debris, out of true rims, etc. (the pictures I 
> saw showed a TIGHT fit). It's all about how little clearance you're willing 
> to accept (or how much risk). On frames with that brake reach, 28mm with 
> fenders and 35mm without are always going to be the safe bet. 32mm with 
> fenders can probably fit too, but probably only with well setup fenders and 
> no venturing offroad (where debris might get caught between fender and 
> tire, causing a lockup). I've had a front fender get jammed, and when that 
> fender accordions up to the fork crown, you are over the bars faster than 
> you can imagine.
>
> There are a lot of factors to consider if you want 32mm tires and fenders. 
> Do your brakes hang down low enough that you can't get your fenders snug up 
> against the fork crown and chainstay? For most sidepulls, the answer is 
> probably yes, and it's safer to stick with 28's. Centerpull brakes are your 
> friend here, as they typically leave more clearance. My vintage Trek with 
> similar clearance will fit 32's and fenders using Dia Compe 610 centerpull 
> brakes, but no modern dual pivot sidepull I tried left enough room (at 
> least with clearance I was comfortable with). The type of fenders can make 
> a difference, and tire width/height varies from manufacturer to 
> manufacturer, plus the rims the tires are mounted on can change the 
> dimensions.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle
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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

2019-11-20 Thread Luis Garcia

Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas. I believe this is my
first post on the RBW Owners Bunch. I find this thread very interesting. This
past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT AHH. I first learned
about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I got back into cycling after
laying off for a few short years. At that time, I was ready to shed the racer
wannabe mentality that I had been holding onto over many years. Since then, I
have done lots of learning, lots of experimenting with different types of
bikes, and eventually determined that sport tourers were the bikes for me. I
currently own an '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510. I consider these my "poor
man's Homers" (They fit 700 x 37 tires). When Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT
Homers with super long chainstays, different geometry, and super tall head
tubes, I was aghast. I thought my benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!
At the time, the only redeeming quality I could see was the lower price of
entry into the world of Rivendell. As time went by, I studied and read more.
I became convinced that the new Homer would be good. Maybe not as good as the
original Homer, but good enough for me. This past spring when Riv offered 10%
off on larger sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one. Man oh man, I am so
glad that I pulled the trigger! I have never ridden an original Homer. The
closest bikes to an original Homer I have ridden are my aforementioned Treks.
For me, there is no comparison. I now see the new Homers as the current state
of the art for non-racing road bike design. Yes, the new Homers look
different. Yes, several people have called my Homer a very nice cruiser. They
haven't got a clue. I rarely ride any of my other bikes now, and I do mean
rarely. I love my MIT Homer. Hope this helps.

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Re: [RBW] PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

2019-11-20 Thread Bob Lovejoy

See the link I posted (prior to this one).  The PBH recommendations are 
there.  That said, keep in mind the tires size you would be using.  The 
linked "catalog" standover was with 700x27mm tires.

Bob

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 6:20:16 PM UTC-6, Conor Skelding wrote:
>
> Thanks for sending! Anyone on-list have the PBH chart for this one?
>
> Conor
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:58 PM Roberta > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/7023094998.html
>>
>> NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete 
>> bike.  It's noted as excellent condition.
>>
>> Not related to seller, never have seen the bike.  It came up on my CL 
>> Rivendell search feed.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-20 Thread Mark C

Hi Leah,

This is my first post, but I've been following your Clem adventures and the 
other Clem talk here. I'm glad you got the fit issue worked out.

I've wanted a Clem for a while now and almost bought the web special 59, 
but really like this new geometry, so decided to wait (plus wanting 
something more colorful than the Grilver - pretty as it is). Seeing your 
bike, I wonder if a 52 in the new geometry might be fine for me with a 30" 
saddle height (pbh about 88). I was concerned about the amount of stem 
extension I'd need, but it looks like I'd be fine and also have a more 
useful loaner size.

I don't think that the seat tube angle changed, so you probably want to 
make your adjustments with the stem if possible. As you know, changing the 
saddle will change your position over the pedals, which I suppose could be 
better, or worse. For my part, I always have a Brooks jammed back as far as 
it can go, but everybody is different. The Clem might finally give me 
enough room to scoot back as far as I want.

Keep posting your Clem enthusiasm; it's contagious.

Mark


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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

2019-11-20 Thread iamkeith

Here's another perspective on the weight vs. frame stiffness vs. stem
type:

I think I would probably prefer the stouter tubing and
not-inconsequentially-bigger frame size of the large sized Gus over the
equivalent Susie, but I got the later instead. Ironically, I chose this
precisely because of concerns I have regarding *overall *stiffness when
paired with my intended *handlebar* selection. Without having the
opportunity to try the bike first, I'm about 85% certain I want to use
Bosco bars. But I know from experience that the aluminum version in a
traditional stem is way, way too flexy for me, whereas the steel,
quill-mounted, bullmoose version is just great.

I'm probably not going to ride this as a rough trail bike (especially since
I'm pushing the weight limit), but I DO like to use the leverage afforded
by those wide bars for throwing a bike into corners, or while standing to
accelerate. So I'm taking a calculated risk that the benefits of the
stiffer handlebar will trump the the disadvantages of a less-stiff and
less-durable frame. If I discover that the bike works or fits better with
a different bar shape, I'll likely be looking to swap for the other model.
If anybody has had a chance to ride a prototype with bosco bars and has
impressions about their appropriateness and/or cockpit cramping, I'd love
to hear them while I might still be able to change my order.

Another general comment, as someone who already rides rigid bikes with
plus-size tires most of the time, is that once you get to a 2.8" tire the
"comfort" benefit of a flexier frame becomes pretty negligible. The tires,
if aired properly, absorb the most commonly offensive vibrations. If
you're relying on the frame to absorb "big" hits, you're probably pushing
it harder than you should. Conversely, it can be really annoying on a
trail bike when the fork is so flexible that it twists in hard corners
enough to affect steering/tracking, or when the whole frame twists enough
that your tire rubs on a chainstay during hard climbing or acceleration.

So in a nutshell, my experience regarding trail bikes with fat enough tires
leads me to believe that ANY flex is basically a bad thing. In fact, I
think that if I could have made one suggestion on these bikes, it would
have been to make the fork spacing 135mm OLN, so that we could have a
stiffer front wheel too. The 100mm-hubbed 29er wheel on my clem, which
this bike will replace, has a lot of flex and shimmy that is NOT a good
thing.

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Re: [RBW] PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

2019-11-20 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Fourth page of the RR article has geometry. 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/romulus/rom_flyer1-04.jpg

Background about the Romulus is here - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html



On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-8, Conor Skelding wrote:
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> Thanks for sending! Anyone on-list have the PBH chart for this one?
>
> Conor
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:58 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/7023094998.html
>>
>> NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete 
>> bike.  It's noted as excellent condition.
>>
>> Not related to seller, never have seen the bike.  It came up on my CL 
>> Rivendell search feed.  
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Re: [RBW] PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

2019-11-20 Thread Conor Skelding

Thanks for sending! Anyone on-list have the PBH chart for this one?

Conor

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:58 PM Roberta  wrote:

>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/7023094998.html
>
> NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete
> bike.  It's noted as excellent condition.
>
> Not related to seller, never have seen the bike.  It came up on my CL
> Rivendell search feed.
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[RBW] Re: Choco vs choco-moose

2019-11-20 Thread tc

Keith,
I realize bars are a highly personal decision, but the *Bullmoose* I have 
on my Clem H is awesome.  For me, the angle, width, and reach are perfect 
for a bit of an athletic position (more so than Choco or Bosco), w/out 
being too stretched out.  There are multiple hand positions, and the 
stiffness is great when standing to pedal.  I have a description in my Clem 
H write-up with pic's 
here:  https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Gcwi5GrZ_sg/iPpNYq7VCQAJ

Tom

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[RBW] Sun Race Thumb Shifters/Jewelry

SOLD, even though I stupidly forgot the FOR SALE in the title of the post. 
Seller hasn’t decided if he is wearing the shifters or if his bike is. Maybe 
he’ll report back here.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

...and green tires and a purple seatpost. That's rad!

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[RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

2019-11-20 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch



On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 10:50:01 AM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Hi all, I apologize if this has been discussed to death already but I 
> couldn't find this specific topic discussed by searching. 
>
> I am curious if anyone here has riding experience with both the new 
> geometry Homer's and the old Waterford version, as they are extremely 
> different looking bikes! I can buy into the notion that most people ride 
> bikes with too-short chainstays, but I have to admit, I cannot fathom 
> wanting to ride a bike with 475mm stays for sporty purposes.  I was very 
> excited to see the price come down, but the new geometry was a deal-breaker 
> for me.  I adore the original Homer, at least on paper (and on screen) but 
> the new version just does not 'look' sporty at all - but I fully realize 
> you can't tell how it rides by staring at it!
>
> My thought was it's an artifact of Grant's changing priorities as he gets 
> older, which is completely valid, but I'm not ready to go there yet (still 
> in my 30's, so hanging onto sportier geometry!).  As such, I bought one of 
> the final Sam Hillbornes because I viewed it as the last of that generation 
> of Rivendell, the generation that I identify with.  
>
> Maybe one day I'll find a 52cm Homer with the old geometry, but I am 
> really hoping there is a new model coming out in the coming years that will 
> fill the gap between the new Homer and the 700c road models. It feels like 
> a pretty big gap to me! 
>
> Photo of my Sam attached for viewing pleasure.  
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[RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

I am a dude with a Clementine, in addition I have a Pink 26" BMX cruiser, a 
Lilac Polyvalent and a pinkish purple Crust Bombora so clearly my masculinity 
is not easily threatened, but I DO get quizzical looks & double takes. 
Personally, I like challenging people's ideas about things, so I  get a chuckle 
out of it. My best friend on the other hand wouldn't be caught dead on a pink 
bike or a Mixte and even if he would his wife would overrule him so. . . 
I hafta say that societies gender roles are assigned at an early age and it's 
not so much of a matter of feeling secure or anything like that it's just a 
thing that makes life easier for people. Cuts down the choices/decisions.

Personally, I prefer the Suzie, but I also prefer threadless. A Suzie with 
threadless would make it a no brainer for me. But, it doesn't matter ultimately 
because I have a Clementine so these are not enough different from that to make 
me jump. 
It's fun to speculate though. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

2019-11-20 Thread Bob Lovejoy

I was thinking this was a 61cm frame, but that's why we have the 
internet... 59cm frame based on the top tube.

For the curious I found this in Cyclofiend's great stash of pictures and 
doc:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html

I had a 61cm non-canti Romulus and it was one of my all time favorite bikes.

Bob Lovejoy
Cedar Rapids, IA  

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

https://photos.app.goo.gl/cbg2y2apcoD2CVjE9

My Polyvalent has black VO wavy fenders.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

2019-11-20 Thread ted

Ditto what Bill says.
I saw one of these in the flesh on mnt diablo at the junction a while back. 
Really gorgeous bike.

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 12:58:13 PM UTC-8, Roberta wrote:
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>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/7023094998.html
>
> NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete 
> bike.  It's noted as excellent condition.
>
> Not related to seller, never have seen the bike.  It came up on my CL 
> Rivendell search feed.  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-20 Thread Mike Packard

I think the VO cork grips are real cork, but more ground up like particle 
board vs plywood. I prefer the Riv ones but the these have more shape.

Mike


Mike--These are real cork, like what Riv used to sell?  I have the Miesha's 
> grip on my bike and love the putting the palms of my hands over the bulbus 
> hump in the middle.  Very comfy.Riv recommended a new shifter for me, 
> but said I'd need to destroy my grips, so I'll just live with the current 
> shifter.   
>
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[RBW] PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

That’s a helluva bike right there. No. Sleep. Til Brooklyn. 

BL in EC. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I like black fenders (he says just to be contrary). 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem




On 11/20/19 3:48 PM, Roberta wrote:



Steve, Alex, masmojo, Deacon P, Patrick (I hope I didn't leave anyone 
out)-- Do metal fenders have the quick release (breakaway) tabs that 
SKS fenders have?



Mine don't.  Mine have sufficient clearance, and anyway I don't ride 
where I could pick up sticks, so I don't think it's an issue for me, not 
even on the C&O Canal Towpath.



Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] PSA: NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete bike

https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/7023094998.html

NY Craigslist 59cm Romulus Cantilever Version, 700c wheels, $900 complete 
bike.  It's noted as excellent condition.

Not related to seller, never have seen the bike.  It came up on my CL 
Rivendell search feed.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

So many great ideas here!

Mike--These are real cork, like what Riv used to sell?  I have the Miesha's 
grip on my bike and love the putting the palms of my hands over the bulbus 
hump in the middle.  Very comfy.Riv recommended a new shifter for me, 
but said I'd need to destroy my grips, so I'll just live with the current 
shifter.   

Steve, Alex, masmojo, Deacon P, Patrick (I hope I didn't leave anyone 
out)-- Do metal fenders have the quick release (breakaway) tabs that SKS 
fenders have?  

Leah--  on my She-Devil with 38 cm tires, I have SKS fenders that *just* 
fit the tires (I think they are recommended for tires up to 38 cm ), 
installed by my favorite now-Riv owning mechanic.  They look great and 
since I'm not a ride-in-the-rain person, they will be fine for me.   The 
wider fenders looked too floppy, not sleek.  But you know that I don't ride 
that bike much.

I have SKS fenders on my Joe A, installed by extremely capable James from 
Analogue cycles.  These fenders are the right size for my wider tires, full 
coverage and are better if I'd ride in the rain, but don't look nearly as 
sleek.  I choose SKS because of the price and the break away tabs.  I get 
real satisfaction when I hear something between my tires and fenders, 
knowing that otherwise it would be on me!  I'd go with silver.   Your bike 
will be super-awesome, not *just* awesome.

Roberta

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 2:32:55 PM UTC-5, Mike Packard wrote:

> These are very classy and comfortable: 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/cork-grips
>
> Pro tip: mount backwards so that you have a nice little bump that feels 
> good to grip. I have the black version but you can see the bump.
>
> Mike
> Austin
>
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[RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

2019-11-20 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Wow!So many great ideas that enhance my simple idea.  I'm glad it 
got your imagination juices flowing!

Roberta



On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 12:12:42 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:

> Very cool Roberta!   
>
> One can also use 6" or 9" voile straps instead of zip ties and/or leather 
> bag straps. 
>
> Voile straps are kinda grippy and you can add a few wraps of duct tape to 
> the middle of the dowel to prevent side-to-side slippage.
>
> I was inspired to a solution like Roberta's by the way Ron's Bikes Fabio's 
> Chest Bags attach to saddle loops.
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Patch makers

2019-11-20 Thread 'Tom Matchak' via RBW Owners Bunch

I'll throw in another recommendation for Falls Creek Outfitters. I'd also
like to recommend an illustrator if you need help creating the patch's
original artwork which will employ the amazing capability of Walter's
machinery. For the Cross New Hampshire Adventure Trail, my partner Marianne
Borowski worked with illustrator Spencer Hawkes to create the artwork for
the suite of logos, stickers and patch. Spencer, who is an avid cyclist,
did a fantastic job in capturing the spirit of the project. He also handled
the interface with Falls Creek, including a few design enhancements to the
samples to make the final product perfect.

The XNHAT patch is here.

Find Spencer here.

I hadn't paid much attention to patch construction before observing this
project, and frankly I was kind of blown away by the level of detail that
is available from modern (CNC, I presume) embroidery machines. Makes me
want to go see one in operation.

Good luck with your upcoming project.

Cheers,
Tom Matchak
Glen, NH

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> I’m interested in having some patches made for a worthy cause. Would
> anyone recommend a maker I should consider?

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[RBW] Re: Gus & Susie/Wolbis "Ride Feel" contribution thread

2019-11-20 Thread Clayton.sf

Bontrager Chupacabra is quite supple too. 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 9:06:02 AM UTC-8, Mark Schneider wrote:
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> Thanks for your impressions. Tire selection is the one area I'm totally 
> unsure about.I'm fine with a 2.5-2.8 size but I wonder if anyone makes a 
> "supple" tire in that range. Many of the tires come in around 1000 grams 
> which seems a bit much.(I ordered a large Susie Slug)So I'll be on 29inch 
> wheels.
>
> Mark
> Pescadero
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-8, ant ritchey wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks. I was lucky enough to be part of the Rivelo-Grant-Hillibike 
>> meet up yesterday.
>>
>> I have been lightly discussing the XL Susie in an email thread with other 
>> list members but thought I'd bring it here since I had the good fortune of 
>> being part of the event. My review won't be a super well-written one. It 
>> may also not be the most linear recollection of facts/feelings but I 
>> thought to get a thread going based on actual rider experience with the new 
>> batch of Rivs, being that they're now available for pre-order. Here's my 
>> quick recap to get things started:
>>
>> I rode the XL Susie. The bike had 29x2.8" knobbies which felt super 
>> plush, PSI unknown. I really expected the big long bike to "start up" a 
>> little slower but that was not the case! I spun a few blocks around Rivelo; 
>> jumped some curbs and whatnot. The bike felt quick. I did not take note of 
>> chainring size/ cassette spread but I did have the bike in highest gear 
>> rather quickly. I also thought the front end would feel way more stretched 
>> out but it did not. The bike had Billie bars and what seemed like a 
>> 90/100mm quill stem. I'd have preferred something of the flatter/more 
>> MTB-ey variety and maybe a 110mm stem. I'd have REALLY preferred to be able 
>> to ride some trails, some steep ups & downs but hey- I was happy to have 
>> the opportunity to ride one and rap with Grant a bit about the bike.
>>
>> For the those "maximum rubber" types out there like myself - with the 
>> 2.8" Teravail knobby tire, still plenty of room to go bigger. I'd guess a 
>> 3" would fit without issue, maybe larger. I could fit my index finger 
>> almost up to the first knuckle on either side at the chainstays where 
>> clearances were tightest. Seatstay & fork crown: clearance for days. Not 
>> trying to undermine any one or thing jhere; just sayin' that if I get one 
>> of these bikes I'll definitely be trying to go for 3".
>>
>> All in all the bike felt excellent. I haven't ridden a Jones or Big 
>> Dummy. I have owned several RIv's and vintage MTB's with longer chainstays 
>> but this was my first experience with a 50cm+ chainstay and it felt really, 
>> really good. No one can argue with you if you simply don't love the look of 
>> the long-chainstay-ed bicycle. If you think Grant's being ridiculous (and 
>> I'm guessing most of the haters haven't ridden the long chainstay 
>> iterations of the newer Riv models), you should really try one with your 
>> pretenses aside. These really are fantastic riding bikes.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I mean, what’s wrong with blue, “limited” or aqua? Grips are usually a place I 
look for a little pop of color...

https://esigrips.com/mtb-grips/extra-chunky-blue

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[RBW] FS Nitto Tallux, 12 cm

This stem arrived on my 2019 Clem L, and is unfortunately too long for me. 
It’s very hard for me to part with, because as you can see from my photo, 
it was made by the elves and infused with fairy dust. You can’t just buy a 
stem like that anywhere, you know. 

But I am not a selfish woman; such a stem must never live in a parts bin. 
So, compelled by this conviction, I offer you the chance to own my Nitto 
Fairy Dust Infused Tallux Stem for $50, plus shipping. 

The stem looks nearly new but for two tiny scratches you’d likely not 
notice. Photos of that, upon request.

Best,
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

This is all so helpful! I did NOT know the black fenders would chip, so silver 
it is. I’m not exactly precious about my bikes - these are real bikes that see 
real use and are not garage queens - so the chipping is inevitable. I’ll go 
with silver so they age a little better. And I need them to age well because my 
mechanical inclinations are well-documented here. Those fenders will have to 
last the life of the bike.

Now back to grips and saddle - do we vote brown or do we vote black?

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> 
> I would say silver, because racks and other components are Silver. 
> 
> Regarding the stem; first glance would indicate maybe a longer stem, but I  
> kind of need to consider the LARGE front center; which may mean no.
> In a nut shell if the handlebar feel like a tiller, then move the bars 
> forward (longer stem) if it feels too quick, unstable move it back. It's not 
> just about reach.
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I would say silver, because racks and other components are Silver. 

Regarding the stem; first glance would indicate maybe a longer stem, but I  
kind of need to consider the LARGE front center; which may mean no.
In a nut shell if the handlebar feel like a tiller, then move the bars forward 
(longer stem) if it feels too quick, unstable move it back. It's not just about 
reach.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Not to start a quarrel, but IME, which is considerable,  at least certain
"plastic" fenders -- Planet Bike's polycarbonate, or SKS's sandwich
"chromoplastic" -- are very durable, perhaps more durable than metal ones
-- and I include the Kelpies I recently installed, with both sheet metal
and stays double the usual Honjo/Berthoud/VO materials. They don't rattle,
either, if properly installed.

I won't assert the same thing about Blumels, Zefals, etc., though these too
may be as strong as the PBs and SKSs.

As for ugly, I agree that metal ones can look much better, though I
wouldn't say that plastics are necessarily ugly.

I went to Kelpies -- customs -- because no other fender would fit properly
on the Matthews's almost 30" X 2.4 wheels; SKSs came close to fitting, but
not quite.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:01 AM masmojo  wrote:

> Plastic fenders are great until they break or you lose one of the little
> bits that goes with them. Plus plastic fender make the whole bike look like
> crap (in my opinion)
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Re: [RBW] WTB Choco Moose handlebars

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On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:00:36 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Haha!  That's pretty surprising but there it is.  I went ahead and ordered 
> it which ended up at $115 total.  I'll report back as the order is 
> processed.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 9:29:49 AM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Bluelug has them for 82 dollars + shipping.
>>
>> Sky in new wesr
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I'd like to buy a set of Choco Moose handlebars.  The most recent for 
>> sale post I've found was $110 shipped, so I'll offer $120 shipped.  If your 
>> Holiday cash pile is too small and your handlebar pile is too large, let me 
>> know and I'll try to help balance them out. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Personally, I'm for the silver. It looks beautiful when new, and even
when much older (and more beat up or even oxidized to a matte finish) it
still looks good. Black is just a surface coating, and if the fender
gets scratched the black is going to get scratched off and you'll see
the underlying silver. Here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/smartpublicspace/32918278447/ is an old
bike with fenders that have oxidized to a matte finish. Even zoomed up
to monstro-gigantor size they look great. And dents wouldn't show!

On 11/20/19 1:07 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

Ok, you guys (Mas, Alex, DP) have convinced me I need the metal fenders. I’m
looking at VO and now should I choose the black or the silver??? I would have
never considered black but this Clem seems to beg for it. Which means I need to
get a black saddle, ugh.

Look again:

Brown grips vs black grips.

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On Nov 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, masmojo wrote:

Plastic fenders are great until they break or you lose one of the little bits
that goes with them. Plus plastic fender make the whole bike look like crap (in
my opinion)

Regarding stem length and fit; here's an old rule of thumb I've used for 30
plus years:
When on the bike with the seat height property adjusted. Put your hands on the
grips. Then look down at the front axle. Ideally, in my experience, your hands
& possibly the handlebar itself should be directly in-line. In other words with
a line extending from your eyes to the axle, the hands should be in that same
plane. If the axle is in front of your hands? then a longer stem, behind? shorter.
On a drop bar typically the bar itself should obscure your view of the axle.
Now I should qualify this; this isn't an official fit rule; It's my own. I've just
noticed over time & many, many bikes that it tends to be true.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Ditto for Honjos.  Properly installed metal fenders don't rattle.

Installing metal fenders takes time and patience.  It absolutely cannot 
be hurried.   Read the instructions several times.  Visualize.  
Understand that you cannot and absolutely must not try to pull metal 
fenders into shape with the stays; instead you've got to massage the 
fender to alter the curve.  Pushing the edges out to widen the opening 
tightens the arc of the fender, and squeezing the edges together expands 
the arc.  You do this little by little over the arc of the fender.

Also, if your fenders aren't pre-drilled, you absolutely can't tape the 
fender up once, mark all the holes remove and drill.  Do that, and only 
the first hole will end up in the correct place; everything else will be 
off, and you'll have to ovalize the holes.  What you do instead is mock 
up the installation and mark the first hole.  Remove, drill, install the 
first hold and mark the next.  Remove, drill, re-install, mark the last 
hole.  Remove, drill, reinstall.  It's a Zen thing and cannot be 
rushed.  (Try at your own peril - there are countless ways they'll 
punish you if you do.)

But you end up with a beautiful and functional setup that protects you 
from road spray better than plastic fenders, and that lasts for years.  
And quiet.

Incidentally, those eyebolt fasteners VO and Honjo use are fiddly and 
fussy and are just dying to fall apart when you try to install them, so 
be sure you've got a blanket or something similar beneath where you're 
working, otherwise one some of the pieces will disappear.

These are perfect.   I didn't install these, Peter Weigle did.

On 11/20/19 12:13 PM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
The old clunky metal fenders in days of yore did. The fenders from 
velo orange are silent and come with leather washers to make sure 
there are no rattles etc.

Fender install can be an art!  So make sure you tell your REI people 
you want artisanal-level install work and to follow the Velo Orange 
instructions ☺😀

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:57:11 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle 
Ding Ding! wrote:

Alex - don’t the metal fenders rattle going over bumps? We use a
path so every 12 inches we hit seams in the concrete. I’ll
reconsider if they really are quiet.

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On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus
Bicycles <482...@gmail.com > wrote:

Noise!?  In theory, if the fenders are properly installed and
there's sufficient clearance between the fender and tire they
should be near silent.  Once in a while a stone might run up
through there but I'd say for that minor/seldom heard quirk the
advantages of metal are worth it (Stiffer, better looking, longer
lasting, plastic is an environmental nightmare 😊)

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5, Bicycle
Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise
metal fenders make. I’ll check out the ESI grips!

Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will
be a nervous wreck the whole time, but I suppose if I really
mess something up I can go back to REI and do the walk of
shame and maybe the mechanics will think it’s funny instead
of pathetic. I *might* got this! 😂

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Bicycles <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of
their 650b wavy fenders on a Clem:
>
>
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48

>
> Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of
colors, musa and they feel “warmer” in colder weather.
>
> A stem swap is fairly easy and you’re totally capable!
 Slide off your grip/shifters on one side, remove bar, swap
stem and reverse install.  Set aside 30-60 mins.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Ok, you guys (Mas, Alex, DP) have convinced me I need the metal fenders. I’m 
looking at VO and now should I choose the black or the silver??? I would have 
never considered black but this Clem seems to beg for it. Which means I need to 
get a black saddle, ugh. 

Look again:  

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Brown grips vs black grips.

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>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 10:01 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> Plastic fenders are great until they break or you lose one of the little 
> bits that goes with them. Plus plastic fender make the whole bike look like 
> crap (in my opinion)
> 
> Regarding stem length and fit; here's an old rule of thumb I've used for 30 
> plus years:
> When on the bike with the seat height property adjusted. Put your hands on 
> the grips. Then look down at the front axle. Ideally, in my experience, your 
> hands & possibly the handlebar itself should be directly in-line. In other 
> words with a line extending from your eyes to the axle, the hands should be 
> in that same plane. If the axle is in front of your hands? then a longer 
> stem, behind? shorter.
> On a drop bar typically the bar itself should obscure your view of the axle.
> Now I should qualify this; this isn't an official fit rule; It's my own. I've 
> just noticed over time & many, many bikes that it tends to be true.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Plastic fenders are great until they break or you lose one of the little bits 
that goes with them. Plus plastic fender make the whole bike look like crap (in 
my opinion)

Regarding stem length and fit; here's an old rule of thumb I've used for 30 
plus years:
When on the bike with the seat height property adjusted. Put your hands on the 
grips. Then look down at the front axle. Ideally, in my experience, your hands 
& possibly the handlebar itself should be directly in-line. In other words with 
a line extending from your eyes to the axle, the hands should be in that same 
plane. If the axle is in front of your hands? then a longer stem, behind? 
shorter.
On a drop bar typically the bar itself should obscure your view of the axle.
Now I should qualify this; this isn't an official fit rule; It's my own. I've 
just noticed over time & many, many bikes that it tends to be true.
 

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Re: [RBW] WTB Choco Moose handlebars

2019-11-20 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Haha!  That's pretty surprising but there it is.  I went ahead and ordered 
it which ended up at $115 total.  I'll report back as the order is 
processed.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 9:29:49 AM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Bluelug has them for 82 dollars + shipping.
>
> Sky in new wesr
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lindsay > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I'd like to buy a set of Choco Moose handlebars.  The most recent for sale 
> post I've found was $110 shipped, so I'll offer $120 shipped.  If your 
> Holiday cash pile is too small and your handlebar pile is too large, let me 
> know and I'll try to help balance them out. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] WTB Choco Moose handlebars

2019-11-20 Thread Sky Coulter

Bluelug has them for 82 dollars + shipping.

Sky in new wesr

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd like to buy a set of Choco Moose handlebars.  The most recent for sale 
> post I've found was $110 shipped, so I'll offer $120 shipped.  If your 
> Holiday cash pile is too small and your handlebar pile is too large, let me 
> know and I'll try to help balance them out. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Gus & Susie/Wolbis "Ride Feel" contribution thread

2019-11-20 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Mark, I've riden 2.8" Nobby Nics for roughly 9 months and found them to be 
far more supple than I thought they would be. See: 
https://deaconpatrick.org/i-get-a-grip-while-the-aspen-bloom (and my 
initial impressions remain true after 9 months of riding, including 500+ 
miles of loaded bikepacking and near daily trail riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-7, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> Thanks for your impressions. Tire selection is the one area I'm totally 
> unsure about.I'm fine with a 2.5-2.8 size but I wonder if anyone makes a 
> "supple" tire in that range. Many of the tires come in around 1000 grams 
> which seems a bit much.(I ordered a large Susie Slug)So I'll be on 29inch 
> wheels.
>
> Mark
> Pescadero
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-8, ant ritchey wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks. I was lucky enough to be part of the Rivelo-Grant-Hillibike 
>> meet up yesterday.
>>
>> I have been lightly discussing the XL Susie in an email thread with other 
>> list members but thought I'd bring it here since I had the good fortune of 
>> being part of the event. My review won't be a super well-written one. It 
>> may also not be the most linear recollection of facts/feelings but I 
>> thought to get a thread going based on actual rider experience with the new 
>> batch of Rivs, being that they're now available for pre-order. Here's my 
>> quick recap to get things started:
>>
>> I rode the XL Susie. The bike had 29x2.8" knobbies which felt super 
>> plush, PSI unknown. I really expected the big long bike to "start up" a 
>> little slower but that was not the case! I spun a few blocks around Rivelo; 
>> jumped some curbs and whatnot. The bike felt quick. I did not take note of 
>> chainring size/ cassette spread but I did have the bike in highest gear 
>> rather quickly. I also thought the front end would feel way more stretched 
>> out but it did not. The bike had Billie bars and what seemed like a 
>> 90/100mm quill stem. I'd have preferred something of the flatter/more 
>> MTB-ey variety and maybe a 110mm stem. I'd have REALLY preferred to be able 
>> to ride some trails, some steep ups & downs but hey- I was happy to have 
>> the opportunity to ride one and rap with Grant a bit about the bike.
>>
>> For the those "maximum rubber" types out there like myself - with the 
>> 2.8" Teravail knobby tire, still plenty of room to go bigger. I'd guess a 
>> 3" would fit without issue, maybe larger. I could fit my index finger 
>> almost up to the first knuckle on either side at the chainstays where 
>> clearances were tightest. Seatstay & fork crown: clearance for days. Not 
>> trying to undermine any one or thing jhere; just sayin' that if I get one 
>> of these bikes I'll definitely be trying to go for 3".
>>
>> All in all the bike felt excellent. I haven't ridden a Jones or Big 
>> Dummy. I have owned several RIv's and vintage MTB's with longer chainstays 
>> but this was my first experience with a 50cm+ chainstay and it felt really, 
>> really good. No one can argue with you if you simply don't love the look of 
>> the long-chainstay-ed bicycle. If you think Grant's being ridiculous (and 
>> I'm guessing most of the haters haven't ridden the long chainstay 
>> iterations of the newer Riv models), you should really try one with your 
>> pretenses aside. These really are fantastic riding bikes.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-20 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah,

If I was to go with fenders on a bike again (including riding my rough 
stuff), I would go metal. Plastic fender's only two advantages are 1. 
cheaper; 2. easier to install. Metal fenders are (reported by folks here 
and elsewhere that I well trust) 1. heartier; 2. quieter, when properly 
installed, with leather washers et al; 3. lighter. The real trick seems to 
be finding someone who will fuss with them to install them properly.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Alex - don’t the metal fenders rattle going over bumps? We use a path so 
> every 12 inches we hit seams in the concrete. I’ll reconsider if they 
> really are quiet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 482...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> 
> Noise!?  In theory, if the fenders are properly installed and there's 
> sufficient clearance between the fender and tire they should be near 
> silent.  Once in a while a stone might run up through there but I'd say for 
> that minor/seldom heard quirk the advantages of metal are worth it 
> (Stiffer, better looking, longer lasting, plastic is an environmental 
> nightmare 😊)
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise metal 
>> fenders make. I’ll check out the ESI grips! 
>>
>> Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will be a nervous 
>> wreck the whole time, but I suppose if I really mess something up I can go 
>> back to REI and do the walk of shame and maybe the mechanics will think 
>> it’s funny instead of pathetic. I *might* got this! 😂 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of their 650b 
>> wavy fenders on a Clem: 
>> > 
>> > https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48 
>> > 
>> > Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of colors, musa 
>> and they feel “warmer” in colder weather. 
>> > 
>> > A stem swap is fairly easy and you’re totally capable!  Slide off your 
>> grip/shifters on one side, remove bar, swap stem and reverse install.  Set 
>> aside 30-60 mins. 
>> > 
>> > You got this! 
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[RBW] Re: How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

2019-11-20 Thread John Phillips

Very cool Roberta!   

One can also use 6" or 9" voile straps instead of zip ties and/or leather 
bag straps. 

Voile straps are kinda grippy and you can add a few wraps of duct tape to 
the middle of the dowel to prevent side-to-side slippage.

I was inspired to a solution like Roberta's by the way Ron's Bikes Fabio's 
Chest Bags attach to saddle loops.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

The old clunky metal fenders in days of yore did.  The fenders from velo 
orange are silent and come with leather washers to make sure there are no 
rattles etc.

Fender install can be an art!  So make sure you tell your REI people you 
want artisanal-level install work and to follow the Velo Orange 
instructions ☺😀

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:57:11 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Alex - don’t the metal fenders rattle going over bumps? We use a path so 
> every 12 inches we hit seams in the concrete. I’ll reconsider if they 
> really are quiet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 482...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> 
> Noise!?  In theory, if the fenders are properly installed and there's 
> sufficient clearance between the fender and tire they should be near 
> silent.  Once in a while a stone might run up through there but I'd say for 
> that minor/seldom heard quirk the advantages of metal are worth it 
> (Stiffer, better looking, longer lasting, plastic is an environmental 
> nightmare 😊)
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise metal 
>> fenders make. I’ll check out the ESI grips! 
>>
>> Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will be a nervous 
>> wreck the whole time, but I suppose if I really mess something up I can go 
>> back to REI and do the walk of shame and maybe the mechanics will think 
>> it’s funny instead of pathetic. I *might* got this! 😂 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of their 650b 
>> wavy fenders on a Clem: 
>> > 
>> > https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48 
>> > 
>> > Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of colors, musa 
>> and they feel “warmer” in colder weather. 
>> > 
>> > A stem swap is fairly easy and you’re totally capable!  Slide off your 
>> grip/shifters on one side, remove bar, swap stem and reverse install.  Set 
>> aside 30-60 mins. 
>> > 
>> > You got this! 
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[RBW] Re: Gus & Susie/Wolbis "Ride Feel" contribution thread

2019-11-20 Thread Mark Schneider

Thanks for your impressions. Tire selection is the one area I'm totally 
unsure about.I'm fine with a 2.5-2.8 size but I wonder if anyone makes a 
"supple" tire in that range. Many of the tires come in around 1000 grams 
which seems a bit much.(I ordered a large Susie Slug)So I'll be on 29inch 
wheels.

Mark
Pescadero

On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 1:40:21 PM UTC-8, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Hey folks. I was lucky enough to be part of the Rivelo-Grant-Hillibike 
> meet up yesterday.
>
> I have been lightly discussing the XL Susie in an email thread with other 
> list members but thought I'd bring it here since I had the good fortune of 
> being part of the event. My review won't be a super well-written one. It 
> may also not be the most linear recollection of facts/feelings but I 
> thought to get a thread going based on actual rider experience with the new 
> batch of Rivs, being that they're now available for pre-order. Here's my 
> quick recap to get things started:
>
> I rode the XL Susie. The bike had 29x2.8" knobbies which felt super plush, 
> PSI unknown. I really expected the big long bike to "start up" a little 
> slower but that was not the case! I spun a few blocks around Rivelo; jumped 
> some curbs and whatnot. The bike felt quick. I did not take note of 
> chainring size/ cassette spread but I did have the bike in highest gear 
> rather quickly. I also thought the front end would feel way more stretched 
> out but it did not. The bike had Billie bars and what seemed like a 
> 90/100mm quill stem. I'd have preferred something of the flatter/more 
> MTB-ey variety and maybe a 110mm stem. I'd have REALLY preferred to be able 
> to ride some trails, some steep ups & downs but hey- I was happy to have 
> the opportunity to ride one and rap with Grant a bit about the bike.
>
> For the those "maximum rubber" types out there like myself - with the 2.8" 
> Teravail knobby tire, still plenty of room to go bigger. I'd guess a 3" 
> would fit without issue, maybe larger. I could fit my index finger almost 
> up to the first knuckle on either side at the chainstays where clearances 
> were tightest. Seatstay & fork crown: clearance for days. Not trying to 
> undermine any one or thing jhere; just sayin' that if I get one of these 
> bikes I'll definitely be trying to go for 3".
>
> All in all the bike felt excellent. I haven't ridden a Jones or Big Dummy. 
> I have owned several RIv's and vintage MTB's with longer chainstays but 
> this was my first experience with a 50cm+ chainstay and it felt really, 
> really good. No one can argue with you if you simply don't love the look of 
> the long-chainstay-ed bicycle. If you think Grant's being ridiculous (and 
> I'm guessing most of the haters haven't ridden the long chainstay 
> iterations of the newer Riv models), you should really try one with your 
> pretenses aside. These really are fantastic riding bikes.
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[RBW] WTB Choco Moose handlebars

I'd like to buy a set of Choco Moose handlebars.  The most recent for sale 
post I've found was $110 shipped, so I'll offer $120 shipped.  If your 
Holiday cash pile is too small and your handlebar pile is too large, let me 
know and I'll try to help balance them out. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-20 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Alex - don’t the metal fenders rattle going over bumps? We use a path so every 
12 inches we hit seams in the concrete. I’ll reconsider if they really are 
quiet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Noise!?  In theory, if the fenders are properly installed and there's 
> sufficient clearance between the fender and tire they should be near silent.  
> Once in a while a stone might run up through there but I'd say for that 
> minor/seldom heard quirk the advantages of metal are worth it (Stiffer, 
> better looking, longer lasting, plastic is an environmental nightmare 😊)
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>> Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise metal fenders 
>> make. I’ll check out the ESI grips! 
>> 
>> Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will be a nervous 
>> wreck the whole time, but I suppose if I really mess something up I can go 
>> back to REI and do the walk of shame and maybe the mechanics will think it’s 
>> funny instead of pathetic. I *might* got this! 😂 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
>> 
>> > On Nov 20, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
>> > <482...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of their 650b wavy 
>> > fenders on a Clem: 
>> > 
>> > https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48 
>> > 
>> > Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of colors, musa 
>> > and they feel “warmer” in colder weather. 
>> > 
>> > A stem swap is fairly easy and you’re totally capable!  Slide off your 
>> > grip/shifters on one side, remove bar, swap stem and reverse install.  Set 
>> > aside 30-60 mins. 
>> > 
>> > You got this! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Noise!?  In theory, if the fenders are properly installed and there's 
sufficient clearance between the fender and tire they should be near 
silent.  Once in a while a stone might run up through there but I'd say for 
that minor/seldom heard quirk the advantages of metal are worth it 
(Stiffer, better looking, longer lasting, plastic is an environmental 
nightmare 😊)

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise metal fenders 
> make. I’ll check out the ESI grips! 
>
> Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will be a nervous 
> wreck the whole time, but I suppose if I really mess something up I can go 
> back to REI and do the walk of shame and maybe the mechanics will think 
> it’s funny instead of pathetic. I *might* got this! 😂 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Nov 20, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 482...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of their 650b 
> wavy fenders on a Clem: 
> > 
> > https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48 
> > 
> > Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of colors, musa 
> and they feel “warmer” in colder weather. 
> > 
> > A stem swap is fairly easy and you’re totally capable!  Slide off your 
> grip/shifters on one side, remove bar, swap stem and reverse install.  Set 
> aside 30-60 mins. 
> > 
> > You got this! 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Alex, lovely! Are they metal, though? I don’t want the noise metal fenders 
make. I’ll check out the ESI grips!

Stem swap. Alright. I’m going to attempt this today. I will be a nervous wreck 
the whole time, but I suppose if I really mess something up I can go back to 
REI and do the walk of shame and maybe the mechanics will think it’s funny 
instead of pathetic. I *might* got this! 😂

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Leah check out velo orange for fenders...here’s a pic of their 650b wavy 
> fenders on a Clem:
> 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx0LvYFBzKD/?igshid=1jmglpf4h6t48
> 
> Also check out ESI grips, they’re my fav, come in a TON of colors, musa and 
> they feel “warmer” in colder weather.
> 
> A stem swap is fairly easy and you’re totally capable!  Slide off your 
> grip/shifters on one side, remove bar, swap stem and reverse install.  Set 
> aside 30-60 mins.
> 
> You got this!
> 
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[RBW] How to make your own saddle bag quick release for $1.00. This also works for sprung saddles.

2019-11-20 Thread Pancake

Great idea, definitely will do something similar for my Acorn bag that’s a 
hassle to take on and off with my Flyer and B67 saddles. 

Rather than washers at the ends, I have a couple alternatives:
1. Put some indentations into the dowel for the bag straps to rest in. Removes 
weight rather than adding it and should give a little extra hold for the straps 
to stay in place.
Or
2. Use a metal rod or bag stay that’s bent forward slightly at the ends - would 
be smaller and the ‘hooks’ and the ends would keep the bag in place with even 
less width I expect. 

I’ll start experimenting! New life for my acorn seat bag!

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[RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem