[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I found them brilliant bars for everything I ride except technical single 
track descents, where it put me too far forward/low in braking position. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:19:27 PM UTC-6, Sam Perez wrote:
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> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
> albatross?

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Jim M.]

It's been nothing but blue sky for a while here in RBW/Mt Diablo land, so I 
got inspired today by the clouds. And the literature major in me makes me 
want to include poetry.


jim m

walnut creek


"The night loves the stars as they play about the Darkness … the day loves 
the light caressing the sun … We love … those who do … because we live in a 
world requiring light and Darkness … partnership and solitude … sameness 
and difference … the familiar and the unknown … We love because it’s the 
only true adventure …"

-- from *Love: is a human condition, *Nikki Giovanni


[image: 2020-08-13-18-03-14.jpg]

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[RBW] Thoughts on albastach bars

[Drw]

I have a set of albastache on 8cm nitto dirt drop with cane creek levers, if 
you’re interested.

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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

I'm on a roll, Kim!  

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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[kim young]

Woooh!    good work joe.
perfect buddy for the custom.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:14 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Ed: No, the current owner is too tall for that Bombadil, my saddle will be
> much lower. And there's no way I could reach those drops!
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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

Ed: No, the current owner is too tall for that Bombadil, my saddle will be much 
lower. And there's no way I could reach those drops! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Paul Clifton]

Now I get it. Freaking sweet Joe!

Paul in NW AR

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 6:24:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Let's try that again. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WLqTM6tYGtkHsB4V6
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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Joe,
Is that your correct seat height for the Bombadil?
I was expecting it to be lower,
Edgar

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 9:40 AM Joseph Bernard  wrote:

> Bombadil! These aren't great pics 'cause the raw finish kinda blends in
> with everything, but it's all I have 'til it gets here.
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 6:07 PM J L  wrote:
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>> Bombadil??? Pics pics.
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Re: [RBW] Tire Clearance? 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires on a Waterford Atlantis

[Jason Fuller]

This isn't really an answer, I realize, but the 48mm Oracle Ridge very 
recently released might be a lower-risk option well worth considering. 
Sounds like it has some further refinement from the Fleecer packed into its 
design, for a modest drop in volume. 

On Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 08:20:10 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I don't own an Atlantis, but I'd be very interested to hear how these 
> things ride on pavement compared to the Antelope Hill -- or to the magical 
> 60 mm Schwalbe Big One, in the 450 gram model.
>
> I ask because while the Big Ones roll on pavement like the best road tires 
> I've used, they obviously require careful cornering in loose dirt, 
> including crusher fine-surfaced trails, and I wonder if the Fleecer Ridge 
> will roll very well on pavement while providing more cornering grip in sand 
> and on crusher fine.
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 7:55 PM Joshua Stacy  wrote:
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>> Has anyone tried the new 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires on a 
>> Waterford Atlantis (size 61cm)? Seems like they might fit.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joshua
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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

Rich, I just know the the color as the flat gray I saw on a Kirk that Joe Bell 
painted, Mark @ Riv's first Riv cyclocrosser used it, too. I don't know why my 
camera picks up blue, it's definitely dove gray in real life. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Jason Fuller]

I have a hard time believing anyone outside the Riv-fam will find the 
curved top tube of the CHG attractive ;) Honestly, the silver-grey proto 
looks like a 1990s "multi-track" hybrid bike to me; extremely low key IMO. 

It'll be a TIG frame in the ~$900 range (I hope), but more importantly 
it'll be the build kit that makes me more comfortable locking it up.  My 
Hillborne is well decorated and gets constant compliments (partly due to 
the orange, I'm sure) and I've invested over $5000 into it.  The CHG build 
would be much more utilitarian and low key - I would go with the most 
understated colour option it ends up coming in, such as Greysilver, and it 
would inherit many of its parts from the Clem (wheels/tires obviously 
notwithstanding).  

Basing whether one wants to lock up a bike on perceived attractiveness to 
thieves is a flawed system I realize - it's probably more luck of the draw 
than anything. But I know I'd be more comfortable locking up a CHG, as long 
as I keep my upgradeitis in check. 

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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[R Shannon]

Joe,

That’s a gorgeous saddle. Looks good on your bike.

Is there a name or mfg. number for the blue-gray paint? I like it. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> "That is a nice bike. Looks weird but wonderful!"
> 
> Hehe, weird but wonderful is my jam! Earlier in this thread Leah (our Bicycle 
> Belle Ding Ding) said "It’s lovely and so very different from the norm, which 
> makes me like it extra." I accept these appraisals! 
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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[J L]

Bombadil??? Pics pics.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eric Daume]

I can’t see how locking and leaving the CHG would be any less stressful
than the Sam. Maybe more so, since the Sam looks a bit older fashioned and
maybe less attractive to thieves.

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Yesterday I went for a ~50km ride with a couple buddies, and we had to
> lock up our bikes at the entrance to the park because it was no bikes -
> which was stressful for me on the Hillborne. Now, my Clem I am comfortable
> locking up in those types of situations, but it's really tough to keep up
> with said friends on it. So all day today I've been daydreaming about the
> Gallup - it could easily be built up into a very low key bike that rides
> nice and is quick on pavement, I'm thinking. Decent chance I'll be jumping
> on the pre-sale and changing from Clem to Gallup in 2021 (the Hillborne is
> a forever bike, though).
>
> On Saturday, 18 July 2020 at 19:00:14 UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> That’s it! Thanks and glad I wasn’t making up the “... complete
>> non-custom for about the same cost as a full custom frame” suggestion.
>>
>> I also realize I replied to Scott’s message basically restating exactly
>> what he and some above had stated. Sorry about that. The cost comparison 4K
>> vs 4K was the part I hoped to expand upon or spark someone’s memory to
>> clarify. Thanks for digging up the link.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Jason Fuller]

Yesterday I went for a ~50km ride with a couple buddies, and we had to lock 
up our bikes at the entrance to the park because it was no bikes - which 
was stressful for me on the Hillborne. Now, my Clem I am comfortable 
locking up in those types of situations, but it's really tough to keep up 
with said friends on it. So all day today I've been daydreaming about the 
Gallup - it could easily be built up into a very low key bike that rides 
nice and is quick on pavement, I'm thinking. Decent chance I'll be jumping 
on the pre-sale and changing from Clem to Gallup in 2021 (the Hillborne is 
a forever bike, though). 

On Saturday, 18 July 2020 at 19:00:14 UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> That’s it! Thanks and glad I wasn’t making up the “... complete non-custom 
> for about the same cost as a full custom frame” suggestion.
>
> I also realize I replied to Scott’s message basically restating exactly 
> what he and some above had stated. Sorry about that. The cost comparison 4K 
> vs 4K was the part I hoped to expand upon or spark someone’s memory to 
> clarify. Thanks for digging up the link.
>
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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

"That is a nice bike. Looks weird but wonderful!"

Hehe, weird but wonderful is my jam! Earlier in this thread Leah (our Bicycle 
Belle Ding Ding) said "It’s lovely and so very different from the norm, which 
makes me like it extra." I accept these appraisals! 

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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[James Valiensi]

That is a nice bike. Looks weird but wonderful! 

> On Aug 13, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> Let's try that again. 
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WLqTM6tYGtkHsB4V6
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[RBW] WTB: clem L 59cm

[jamin orrall]

Clem found! Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne Frame, Double TT, Metal-flake Orange

[Joe Bernard]

That's all you, Andrew, it's cool. Grab it! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

Let's try that again. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WLqTM6tYGtkHsB4V6

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

New pics! Of my still pristine custom which Grant would be appalled by but 
these COVID times have not been good for my riding opportunities, whaddyagonna 路

Some changes, I went on a bit of a Shimano NOS spending spree. The chrome-look 
brakes ended up looking odd to me against the flat gray frame so they were 
replaced by black (silver lever handle) XT. The Deore rd also got an XT 
upgrade, and check out those nifty NOS XTR skewers! 

Ergons swapped for Jones Grips, and that's my sweet new ti-rail Gilles Berthoud 
Vars saddle. 

Here's a neat thing I recently discovered: I was wiping chain grease off the 
chainstay and pondering sticking a guard on there when I realized Joe Bell 
already did. It wraps most of the tube, then if you look real close you can see 
a cut line where a second clear guard fits behind the chainrings. Cool! 

Next up, I grabbed the "lost and found" Bosco Bullmoose on the Riv site. This 
frame was designed with Boscos in mind so they're going on, and the Losco setup 
will end up on the Bombadil I just bought. Enjoy the pics!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/J5yBt1KKFCZvJxzy5

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne Frame, Double TT, Metal-flake Orange

[Andrew Huston]

For some reason I’m having trouble replying private. Quite interested in 
that clementine!  Can you try to message me?

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:53:13 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> SAM IS SOLD!
>>
>> Next up - 52 cm black Clementine, 1st batch - the OG, non-PC, "short 
>> wheelbase", "racing" Clementine, not just an ordinary Clem L. Need to get 
>> the Sam boxed up first though.
>>
>
> [image: IMG_0209 (2).JPG]
>  
>
>>
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Richard Rios]

I've had both. Cross check is a RAD bike. Pros didnt worry about it as much, 
felt a little quicker handeling wise. Funner where quicker feeling handling 
might apply. Cons not as pretty, not as stable feeling. 

Sam H is a RAD bike. Pros bars up higher more easily. Prettier, more stable 
feeling. Less tiring to ride / better comfort. 

So as with anything YMMV. But I wouldnt hesitate to buy either. Both can be 
alot of fun neither is slow depending on tires, setup and your legs. Both lean 
towards durability over light weight. If I had to tip the scales one way or the 
other I'd say this, longer more casual riding Sam. More energetic playful 
shorter rides cross check. Either can do both of course but if I had to pick. 
And I would be very happy either way.❤

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[RBW] Thoughts on albastach bars

[Richard Rios]

I think they are great bars. Pair well with single speed riding. Have them on 
my simple one and love them there because I am regularly moving my hands around 
to chug up hills. Offer lots of good hand positions if you are the type who 
likes to fidget. Get them up high and close as recomended, dirtdrop stem or 
similar to your looks liking a great choice. Lots of fun. If you are just going 
to be sitting and grinding away with your hands in a single position maybe not 
the best choice but everyone is different...my recomendation is they are best 
on a playful shorter distance ride kinda bike. A la single speed, city / 
shortish commute, dirt road rambler...

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[RBW] Thoughts on albastach bars

[Joe Bernard]

No, it's not a reach-back bar like Albatross, Billie, Bosco, etc. It's best to 
think of it as what it was actually designed to do in Japan when dropbars were 
banned from youth bikes (yes this is or was a real thing), a dropbar where the 
curves have been pushed up into a more horizontal position. Most people need an 
even shorter stem than drops would take to use it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using SunXCD Exceed cranks?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Garth, looks great, could not find it with a 165mm.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 4:15 PM Garth  wrote:

>
>
>   Have you seen these Andel cranks Joel, they're 110 BCD 170mm straight
> arms from Andel, who is a well known quality crank manufacturer. They also
> happen to make Rivs Silver crank. This particular crank only says "forged",
> but frankly neither are many high quality cranks, like TA Carmina. It's the
> quality of the forging and design that counts regardless of the
> temperature. You'd have to inquire about shipping.
>
>
> https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/andel-rsc7-road-touring-fluted-chainset-triple-170mm-48-36-26t-square-taper?_pos=31&_sid=0690bd31b&_ss=r
>
> http://www.andel.com.tw/products_d.php?pid=55=12
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I haven't tried the Albastache, but here is a useful website for comparing 
handlebars:

https://whatbars.com/

John

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:19:27 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and 
> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the 
> albatross?

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b/700c tires, Campagnolo, Albatross, Sugino, Surly (SF Bay)

[CMR]

Hi Sam, I have the parts and am selling, thank you for the offer though!

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:01:19 PM UTC-7, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> Are you looking for these ? I have tires the bar and the sugio  crank as 
> well as other parts from builds over the years 
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 9:11 AM CMR > 
> wrote:
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>> Open to bundled offers!
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[RBW] Thoughts on albastach bars

[Sam Perez]

Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and components. 
Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the albatross?

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[RBW] WTT My Nitto 32F, Surly Front or CETMA for your Mark's or M18

[Sam Perez]

I have a nitto rack called the campee if you are interested also have the nitto 
136  and nito 135

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne Frame, Double TT, Metal-flake Orange

[Desnos]

Very interested in this one. Can you email me at depinoy at gmail dot com?
Denis

Le jeudi 13 août 2020 à 08:54:11 UTC-4, lconley a écrit :

> Frame pictures:
>
> [image: 20200812_200943 (2).jpg]
>
> [image: 20200812_201847 (2).jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:28:26 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
>> I hate to sell this frame, but I have 14 Rivendells, and another one 
>> coming soon, so it is time to sell 5 or 6 of them. I am 6' with an 83 PBH 
>> (short legs - long torso), so this frame is a little too tall for me and 
>> the TTs are a little short and it has been replaced by my Orange Custom 
>> that is more like 54.5 ST, 60 TT.
>>
>> I bought this frame new as a Black Friday Deal in 2015 - I already had a 
>> 56 cm DTT blue headtube Sam at the time, but could not pass up the color on 
>> this one . It is a custom metal-flake orange sidepull Sam, the metal-flake 
>> really sparkles in the sun. It is in excellent condition, no dents or 
>> scratches, maybe a couple tiny chips in the dropouts where the wheels are 
>> inserted.
>>
>> Includes frame, fork, FSA headset, Nitto 26.8 S83 seat post, shipping to 
>> CONUS. $995 OBO. I can include the set of Tektro R559 brakes for $50 if you 
>> will need brakes. The brakes are in excellent condition and have had the 
>> Tektro logos polished off with Simichrome.
>>
>> I will have some better photos of just the frame later, but for now 
>> (those are 700Cx44 Compass tires in the photos):
>>
>> [image: IMG_1609.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_1676.JPG]
>>
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne Frame, Double TT, Metal-flake Orange

[Miles Schierbeek]

Beautiful frame. I’m interested, but would need to go over some numbers, and 
I’m sure someone else will jump on this!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Andy Beichler]

Thank you very much, Rich.

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 9:12:42 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> As a Sam Hillborne and Waterford built Atlantis owner, I can't discern a 
> difference in the nicely done paint, brazing or general appearance on 
> either one. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Jeffrey S]

"I always felt like I was riding ON a CrossCheck and felt link I was riding 
IN a Sam." - Love that! 

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-7, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> I have a Sam and have owned a few Cross Checks.
> They are different bikes. The geometry is different, BB height is the big 
> difference, I think.
> The cross check might be the one bike that has served so many people for 
> different uses. 
> Affordable, tough, versatile.  
> The Sam is a wonderful, well mannered, country bike. I think better geo 
> for getting the bars up etc. 
>
> I always felt like I was riding ON a CrossCheck and felt link I was riding 
> IN a Sam. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
>> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
>> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
>> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
>> advance!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone using SunXCD Exceed cranks?

[Garth]

  Have you seen these Andel cranks Joel, they're 110 BCD 170mm straight 
arms from Andel, who is a well known quality crank manufacturer. They also 
happen to make Rivs Silver crank. This particular crank only says "forged", 
but frankly neither are many high quality cranks, like TA Carmina. It's the 
quality of the forging and design that counts regardless of the 
temperature. You'd have to inquire about shipping. 

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/andel-rsc7-road-touring-fluted-chainset-triple-170mm-48-36-26t-square-taper?_pos=31&_sid=0690bd31b&_ss=r

http://www.andel.com.tw/products_d.php?pid=55=12

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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Tom Goodmann]

Bill, thank you for an excellent analytical inquiry, a lesson in clear
thinking and in asking the right questions.  I prefer the aesthetics of
quill stems and the ease they offer for making small adjustments in height,
but see that the way toward realizing that objective may be expensive.  I'd
be content, then, with a longer steer tube for the threadless stem in order
to have some options using spacers. Like MoVelo, currently I ride with the
bars at a comfortable height reached only via a sloping threadless stem.  A
phone call with Mark Nobilette seems in order.  --Tom

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:47 PM MoVelo  wrote:

> I vaguely remember some time back this being a topic. My memory tells me
> there was some concern that the unthreaded 1" tube on the Legolas was too
> thin to thread. Those with better memories can tell me I am right or wrong.
> I too have a lovely Legolas with an unthreaded stem and would prefer a
> threaded version so I can get the bars higher without the awkwardly
> appearance of a steep sloping threadless stem.
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:16:32 AM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a
>> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of
>> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner,
>> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with
>> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone
>> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?
>> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami
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[RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[MoVelo]

I vaguely remember some time back this being a topic. My memory tells me 
there was some concern that the unthreaded 1" tube on the Legolas was too 
thin to thread. Those with better memories can tell me I am right or wrong. 
I too have a lovely Legolas with an unthreaded stem and would prefer a 
threaded version so I can get the bars higher without the awkwardly 
appearance of a steep sloping threadless stem. 

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:16:32 AM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
>

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[RBW] FS:. 58 cm Hunqapillar Fork for 26" Wheels

[Conway Bennett]

I've tried selling this opportunistically over the years but I just pulled it 
out of the parts bin again and I want it gone.  

I had a 58 cm Hunqapillar fork modified by comrade cycles in Chicago to accept 
a 26" wheel.  I am into it for ~ $290, make me a fair offer shipped from 
Chicagoland and it's yours.  Thanks in advance.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wivMh3CDfw9jR7CQ6

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Re: [RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests

[Dorothy C]

I got one of each, and my vest arrived last week. It is itchy but I find it 
fine over a T shirt, and with a silk square round my neck, as the neckline is a 
bit higher than the sweater version. As someone who grew up in Wales, the smell 
is very nostalgic - smells like a sheep farm. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using SunXCD Exceed cranks?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks, I know Peter, he is going to build some wheels for me.  I wonder if
this makes for a wider Q than using the 110 adaptor?  The shop in the YK
can do it all, I an just not versed in the Pro 5 V chainrings. I have
almost always used the Zephyr but sold my other one on a bike (kicking
myself as I type).

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:45 PM lconley  wrote:

> The triple TA Cyclotourise Pro 5 Vis is just the double with longer bolts
> and extra spacers and another chainring. I have a SunXCD, but I run it as a
> single with a VO chainring. For the triple, the outer chain ring bolts to
> the crank and the inner two chain rings bolt to the outer chainring.
>
> Peter White (peterwhitecycles.com) in New Hampshire is a US distributor
> for TA and should be able to set you up with what you need.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>
>>
>> After corresponding with a shop in the UK the suggest using TA Pro 5 Vis
>> Cyclotouriste.  The day I could do a triple with this but everywhere I have
>> looked shows them as an inner/outer.  For a bunch more money I could get a
>> 110 adapter and use TA Zephyr rings which I have used in the past, even
>> have some extras here.  But to be honest I am totally confused as I am not
>> mechanical.  I was set to use either the Sugino XD600 but have found out it
>> is hot forged which I believe is not as good as cold forged.  The VO
>> crankset I brought in has a slight finish defect on the outside of the
>> outer ring.  Using the SunXCD is probablt $100 more since they are not
>> readily available here in the US.
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-5, Jack Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> They are as beautiful as the venerable TA Cyclotouriste cranks with a
>>> low q factor but at half the price. They're also compatible with
>>> Specialites rings, which is nice for the sake of gearing versatility. None
>>> of these point to their performance. Have any of you folks tried them or do
>>> you know anyone who has? There is quite a bit online about Suntour bringing
>>> them out a few years ago but I can't find any reviews.
>>>
>>> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2013/03/sun-xcd-cranks-and-hubs.html
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone using SunXCD Exceed cranks?

[lconley]

The triple TA Cyclotourise Pro 5 Vis is just the double with longer bolts 
and extra spacers and another chainring. I have a SunXCD, but I run it as a 
single with a VO chainring. For the triple, the outer chain ring bolts to 
the crank and the inner two chain rings bolt to the outer chainring.

Peter White (peterwhitecycles.com) in New Hampshire is a US distributor for 
TA and should be able to set you up with what you need.

Laing

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:

>
> After corresponding with a shop in the UK the suggest using TA Pro 5 Vis 
> Cyclotouriste.  The day I could do a triple with this but everywhere I have 
> looked shows them as an inner/outer.  For a bunch more money I could get a 
> 110 adapter and use TA Zephyr rings which I have used in the past, even 
> have some extras here.  But to be honest I am totally confused as I am not 
> mechanical.  I was set to use either the Sugino XD600 but have found out it 
> is hot forged which I believe is not as good as cold forged.  The VO 
> crankset I brought in has a slight finish defect on the outside of the 
> outer ring.  Using the SunXCD is probablt $100 more since they are not 
> readily available here in the US.  
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-5, Jack Doran wrote:
>>
>> They are as beautiful as the venerable TA Cyclotouriste cranks with a low 
>> q factor but at half the price. They're also compatible with Specialites 
>> rings, which is nice for the sake of gearing versatility. None of these 
>> point to their performance. Have any of you folks tried them or do you know 
>> anyone who has? There is quite a bit online about Suntour bringing them out 
>> a few years ago but I can't find any reviews. 
>>
>> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2013/03/sun-xcd-cranks-and-hubs.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using SunXCD Exceed cranks?

[Joel]

After corresponding with a shop in the UK the suggest using TA Pro 5 Vis 
Cyclotouriste.  The day I could do a triple with this but everywhere I have 
looked shows them as an inner/outer.  For a bunch more money I could get a 
110 adapter and use TA Zephyr rings which I have used in the past, even 
have some extras here.  But to be honest I am totally confused as I am not 
mechanical.  I was set to use either the Sugino XD600 but have found out it 
is hot forged which I believe is not as good as cold forged.  The VO 
crankset I brought in has a slight finish defect on the outside of the 
outer ring.  Using the SunXCD is probablt $100 more since they are not 
readily available here in the US.  
On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-5, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> They are as beautiful as the venerable TA Cyclotouriste cranks with a low 
> q factor but at half the price. They're also compatible with Specialites 
> rings, which is nice for the sake of gearing versatility. None of these 
> point to their performance. Have any of you folks tried them or do you know 
> anyone who has? There is quite a bit online about Suntour bringing them out 
> a few years ago but I can't find any reviews. 
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2013/03/sun-xcd-cranks-and-hubs.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Bill Lindsay]

I think it mainly depends on two things:

1. what exactly do you want to achieve?
2. what is your budget?

On defining the objective, it's not clear to me what you really want

A. do you want to convert to a quill stem specifically?
B. do you just want to convert to an easily adjustible stem because you 
expect to move it frequently?
C. do you want to get your bars higher and be done with it?  

If it's A then you need to change the existing fork, and buy a headset and 
a stem and rebuild your cockpit.  If it's B, maybe you just want a longer 
steertube, since the previous owner cut it shorter than you wanted.  If 
it's C, maybe you could also get your bars up with a different stem.  

The list of things I imagine are possible include

-ride it the way it is (free!)
-get a custom stem ($250)
-find a different stock stem ($ ??)
-get a fork threaded, buy a new quill stem, and a headset and labor ($500 ?)
-get a new fork, buy a new quill stem, and a headset and labor, and maybe 
paint ($1000 ?)
-get a longer steertube fork but keep all other parts ($400 ?)

There are probably other choices depending on what the real objective is.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-7 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Agreed, Will; that is the best and safest solution.  Thanks, all. Tom
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:20 AM William deRosset  
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> Before you break out the tooling and cut threads onto the existing 
>> steerer (technically possible but not easy to do well, and you'll be 
>> cutting the steerer), measure the OD and ID of the steerer to ensure that 
>> the OD is 1" (25.4mm) and the ID is 7/8" (22.2mm) . There are different 
>> versions of steerer tube for 1" threadless and some are not compatible with 
>> being threaded--they are too thin-gauge.
>>
>> You could have Mark build you a fork for the bike. Or Rivendell would 
>> probably order one for you if you ask.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Will
>> William M. deRosset
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 6:16:32 AM UTC-6, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
>>> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
>>> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the preDear Tvious 
>>> owner, and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I 
>>> enjoy with quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has 
>>> anyone converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
>>> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: clem L 59cm

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Jamin, Saturday Cycles is a Riv dealer out of Utah. That’s who’s offering you a 
shot at a new Clem. Snap it up!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne Frame, Double TT, Metal-flake Orange

[Wayne Naha]

Beautiful frame!  Good luck with the sale!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Tom Goodmann]

Agreed, Will; that is the best and safest solution.  Thanks, all. Tom

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:20 AM William deRosset 
wrote:

> Dear Tom,
>
> Before you break out the tooling and cut threads onto the existing steerer
> (technically possible but not easy to do well, and you'll be cutting the
> steerer), measure the OD and ID of the steerer to ensure that the OD is 1"
> (25.4mm) and the ID is 7/8" (22.2mm) . There are different versions of
> steerer tube for 1" threadless and some are not compatible with being
> threaded--they are too thin-gauge.
>
> You could have Mark build you a fork for the bike. Or Rivendell would
> probably order one for you if you ask.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 6:16:32 AM UTC-6, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a
>> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of
>> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the preDear Tvious
>> owner, and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I
>> enjoy with quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has
>> anyone converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?
>> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami
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Re: [RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests

[Robert Gardner]

Yes. It is glorious.

For those that haven't gotten theirs and the inevitable second run comes --
on sizing: I am 6'2, 215, 34 inch waist (44 long sport coat) and the Large
fits very well. It is stretchy, but if I was going to wear it over a few
layers, I might have sized up. However, it fits so so well. It is SUPER
itchy, but it's fantastic and I'm going to wear it A LOT come fall.

- rg in dc

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:28 PM Adam  wrote:

> Has anyone received their vest yet? I’m looking forward to it!
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Albatross Bars

[Will Ashe]

Sam, 

I sent you a PM last night. Please let me know if you didn’t get it. 

Best, 
Will
Austin, Tx

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[RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[William deRosset]

Dear Tom,

Before you break out the tooling and cut threads onto the existing steerer 
(technically possible but not easy to do well, and you'll be cutting the 
steerer), measure the OD and ID of the steerer to ensure that the OD is 1" 
(25.4mm) and the ID is 7/8" (22.2mm) . There are different versions of 
steerer tube for 1" threadless and some are not compatible with being 
threaded--they are too thin-gauge.

You could have Mark build you a fork for the bike. Or Rivendell would 
probably order one for you if you ask.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 6:16:32 AM UTC-6, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the preDear Tvious 
> owner, and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I 
> enjoy with quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has 
> anyone converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
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Re: [RBW] Tire Clearance? 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires on a Waterford Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

I don't own an Atlantis, but I'd be very interested to hear how these
things ride on pavement compared to the Antelope Hill -- or to the magical
60 mm Schwalbe Big One, in the 450 gram model.

I ask because while the Big Ones roll on pavement like the best road tires
I've used, they obviously require careful cornering in loose dirt,
including crusher fine-surfaced trails, and I wonder if the Fleecer Ridge
will roll very well on pavement while providing more cornering grip in sand
and on crusher fine.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 7:55 PM Joshua Stacy 
wrote:

> Has anyone tried the new 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires on a
> Waterford Atlantis (size 61cm)? Seems like they might fit.
>
> Thanks,
> Joshua
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[RBW] Re: WTB: clem L 59cm

[jamin orrall]

Hey mark, is this a stock riv build? Custom build?  Sold through a shop or a 
personal bike? Curious about the color and build.  Was hoping to find a 
frameset to do a very mtb specific build but I am open to complete. 


Thanks
Jamin

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne Frame, Double TT, Metal-flake Orange

[masmojo]

14 Rivendells!? That is impressive! I have a lot of bikes, but only ever 4 
Rivendells.
Still, once you have one it's hard to let go! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and one more very big difference between the model and the image: the
new copy is made from standard diameter, relatively thinwall 531 compared
to the (in retrospect) excessively heavy tubing of the 2003 Riv, and the
difference is very positively noticeable as this is yet one more of those
delightful bikes that encourages one to choose a cog 1 tooth smaller. It'
doesn't "bog down" when you come to an incline or turn into a headwind, as
I had noticed over the years when comparing the 2003 with its even earlier
1999 Riv Joe Starck custom fixed gear gofast older sister, which also
encourages 1 tooth smaller.


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Fun facts: Bike was built to copy the 2003 Rivendell that I had had
> modified enough times for features missing on the original that I thought
> it time to start over.
>



Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[masmojo]

I agree with a couple of points here. 
First the idea and reality of trying to get another bike to be like a cheaper 
Rivendell. I've had limited success with this as well; a CrossCheck, an old 
650B Raleigh Mountain Tour, Kogswell PR and a Rawland Drakkar. Out of all of 
them the Rawland came the closest and actually was better in some ways. But, at 
the end of the day I would have saved myself tons of aggravation (& money) bu 
just biting the bullet and getting a Rivendell!
I also chuckled when I  read the part about riding "ON" a CrossCheck. That's 
exactly how I would describe it! One thing to keep in mind, but just going by 
the name it's obvious the CC was conceived as a cyclocross frame. As a result 
it has a shortish top tube, higher bottom bracket,  short chain stays, etc. 
It's debatable whether it's dumb luck or pure alchemy that it excels at so many 
other uses at all! 
Actually, with a few more years experience under my belt I likely wouldn't do 
the CrossCheck again if I was making a budget choice. I'd go Crust Bombora or 
possibly a SOMA? The Saga and Wolverine's are intriguing options as well.

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[RBW] WTT My Nitto 32F, Surly Front or CETMA for your Mark's or M18

[EGNolan]

I've got three racks that are either overkill or won't work with my 
Roadini. I'm looking for an M18 or Mark's rack (or similar Nitto front 
that'll work with side/centerpulls). I'm willing to trade my 32F front, 
Surly touring Front (silver) or my original run CETMA front rack (black 
with Wald handlebar attachment) for what you've got. I've also got a set of 
Noodles, new TRP road levers, Shimano 10 speed bar end shifters from a new 
bike take off to trade if that's more of what you're looking for...

I'm looking to keep costs down on this build, but I'm willing to make it a 
worth while trade if anyone has anything they can part with.

Best,
Eric Nolan
Indpls

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[spencer robinson]

I have a Sam and have owned a few Cross Checks.
They are different bikes. The geometry is different, BB height is the big 
difference, I think.
The cross check might be the one bike that has served so many people for 
different uses. 
Affordable, tough, versatile.  
The Sam is a wonderful, well mannered, country bike. I think better geo for 
getting the bars up etc. 

I always felt like I was riding ON a CrossCheck and felt link I was riding 
IN a Sam. 

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:

> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
> advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[frankie garcia]

I’ve seen a cable hanger with a pinch bolt used as clamp. The just put your 
quill in the steerer. So the system remains threadless but you can use a quill 
stem. 

-Frankie

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> On Aug 13, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Dave Johnston  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the steerer 1", or are you going to have to source a 1 1/8" quill stem?
> If it is 1", You could get one of these Tange headsets that locks the 
> Threadless headset in place and then allows you to use a quill. I would not 
> cut any off the steerer when you do this in case you ever want to go back, 
> definitely leave enough for a stem in case you ever want to sell the frame 
> and fork.
> http://m.tangeseiki.com/jm/products/headset/standard/standard-threadless/standard-threadless-1/73-technoglide-quill.html
> 
> A few people including myself had the 1" Rawland Stag fork threaded. It's 
> rougher than factory threads but it works.
> 
> -Dave J
> 
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:32 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a local 
>> friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
>> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
>> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
>> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
>> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
>> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[J L]

Tom,

If you want the aesthetic of a quill stem the best and safest way to achieve 
that is to replace the fork with a threaded one, and a threaded headset. 

There are other ways to use a quill stem or get a threaded steerer but they all 
come with cost, difficulty, and various levels of safety concerns.

If you truly just want higher bars there are many threadless stems that will 
get you there. 

There is another thing to suggest as well. Have you considered trying to trade 
for a size bigger? A larger frame will put the bars higher relative to the 
saddle. Ive witnesses a dozen or so swaps like that happen.
Jason

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[RBW] Re: WTB: clem L 59cm

[Justin Wyne]

I may be interested if Jamin is not.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 6:32:10 PM UTC-4, Saturday Mark wrote:
>
> We have a 59 Complete Clem L if you are interested. (New bike) 
> $1500 boxed to ship.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:46:23 PM UTC-6, jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>> looking for a clem L 59 frameset.  Need to stop riding my cheviot like a 
>> mtb! 
>>
>> Jamin
>> Located in Los Angeles
>>
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[RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Dave Johnston]

Is the steerer 1", or are you going to have to source a 1 1/8" quill stem?
If it is 1", You could get one of these Tange headsets that locks the 
Threadless headset in place and then allows you to use a quill. I would not 
cut any off the steerer when you do this in case you ever want to go back, 
definitely leave enough for a stem in case you ever want to sell the frame 
and fork.
http://m.tangeseiki.com/jm/products/headset/standard/standard-threadless/standard-threadless-1/73-technoglide-quill.html

A few people including myself had the 1" Rawland Stag fork threaded. It's 
rougher than factory threads but it works.

-Dave J

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:32 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
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[RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[lconley]

If the steerer tube thickness is the same, I think you can just have the 
threadless fork threaded by a frame maker with the correct die. I believe 
that the outer diameters of 1" threaded and threadless are the same (plenty 
of people have just installed threadless stems on threaded forks, despite 
warnings that the steerer tube is weaker at the threads). If steerer tube 
thickness is the same, then the stem should fit in the steerer tube once 
the nut is removed from inside the steerer tube - you can check this 
yourself with a threaded style stem. If the steerer tube is too thick and 
the stem will not go in, you can have the tube reamed or honed to size. If 
the steerer tube is too thin, then you may be looking at a new fork or 
having the steerer tube replaced in the existing fork.

Laing

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:32 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[R Shannon]

Andy,

As a Sam Hillborne and Waterford built Atlantis owner, I can't discern a
difference in the nicely done paint, brazing or general appearance on
either one.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:55 PM Andy Beichler 
wrote:

> I am curious about the finish of a Sam Hillborne.  I lucked into a 1984
> Paramount Touring a year or so ago and got my first up close view of what a
> high end frame looks like.  The finish on it is top notch.  The lug lines
> are very clean.  No stray file marks or tiny drips of brass (silver?).  The
> connection where the seat and chain stays join the drop out are fantastic.
> There is no evidence of a plug on the end of it.  I don't necessarily
> expect the same level of finish on a Sam Hillborne as I expect on a much
> more expensive bike, but I would like to think the finish is better than I
> would find on a Soma or Schwinn.  What is the finish on a Sam Hillborne
> like?
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[RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Brian Campbell]

Maybe have a local builder replace the existing steerer tube with a longer, 
threaded version?

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:32 AM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a 
> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 
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[RBW] Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Tom Goodmann]

This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a local 
friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 

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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Aaron Thomas]

Paul, 

Regarding the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, how accurate are the size 
designations when inflated? Or perhaps more to the point, if you have used 
the 33 mm, is it truly in the ballpark of 33? I bought some Challenge tires 
labeled 33 mm but they inflated to nearly 37 mm! 

Secondly, in your experience, how puncture prone is the extralight version 
compared to the standard version?

Thanks,
Aaron 

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:35:52 PM UTC-7, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him on 
> ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see what 
> he may have in stock.
>
> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent 
> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to 
> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems 
> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>
> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another 
> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a 
> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are 
> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to 
> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush. 
> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>
> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open 
> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of 
> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless 
> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I 
> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount 
> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and 
> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will 
> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I 
> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just 
> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb 
> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent 
> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I 
> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next 
> time around. 
>
> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting 
> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting 
> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a 
> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like 
> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see 
> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting 
> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle 
> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum 
> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>
> But they are dead sexy.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to 
>> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still 
>> be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
>> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
>> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
>>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> Legolas
>> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
>> '94 RBT
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Addison Quarles]

Got it! Both lovely tires. I’d bought up and squirreled away some Pasela 
Tourguards back when they changed over to the “Protite” 
Among them a pair of 26x1.75’s. I eventually put them on something but in 
hindsight I wish I’d bought more. Just mounted my last pair of 700x35’s on my 
“forever bike” 
I don’t know why, but I can’t stand the colors of the label. The old TG logo 
just looks right. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Albatross Bars

[Joseph Tousignant]

Just to let everyone know BOTH of my Heat Treated Albatross handlebars have 
been SOLD, and I have no others remaining.  

Glad to see they will get the use they deserve :-)

Joe T

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:

> I have an albatross in storage that is be willing to sell 
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 10:37 AM Ray  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim or Joseph
>>
>> It sounds like Christian found what he was looking for but I'm looking 
>> for an Albatross bar as well. I don't have permission to PM members, but if 
>> you shoot me an email we can work something out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ray
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 4:56:10 PM UTC-5 Joseph Tousignant wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I bought 2 of these a few years ago (heat treated Aluminum), and 
>>> only mounted them for a day or two. They didn't work for me on the frames I 
>>> wanted to use them on (one is a 1980's Trek 720), because the frame was a 
>>> good fit for me with a flat upright MTB style bar mounted.  When I mounted 
>>> the Albatross bar it came back too far for my preference. Had I had a size 
>>> or two larger frame (or one with a longish top tube),...I could have used 
>>> it.
>>>
>>>Anyway, it bears just the light marks of mounting brake 
>>> levers,which yours would likely cover anyway. I would sell for $85 
>>> "shipped",...with with anticipated shipping of about $15 the bars are 
>>> basically $70 bucks. :-)
>>>
>>> If you can't find one locally,...email at your convenience.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph Tousignant
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 8:16:35 PM UTC-4 christian poppell wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 The Albatross bars are out of stock at Rivendell. I was hoping to use 
 them on a HHH build. Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with 
 some up for grabs? I prefer the aluminum but am open to the steel version 
 as well. I have some h'bars for trade, Nitto B115, Nitto promenade (the U 
 shaped one), and some Nitto Randoneeur bars. 

 Thanks!
 Christian
 Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 650b/700c tires, Campagnolo, Albatross, Sugino, Surly (SF Bay)

[Sam Perez]

Are you looking for these ? I have tires the bar and the sugio  crank as
well as other parts from builds over the years

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