[RBW] Re: RBW's Banana Sax with inside flap for security is available.

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Acorn Bags has an elegant solution to the problem: A cylindrical leather 
stand-off and strap. 
https://www.acornbags.com/products/leather-stand-off-with-strap
One of the few of their products that is *not* sold out.
You could do the same with a toe strap and a piece of PVC pipe, as Patrick 
suggests.

David Lipsky
Berkeley
On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> I recently got a gray Banana Sax.  When attach it to the saddle though 
> back of my thigh hits the bag when I peddle.  Is common?  or maybe it 
> varies with the rider's height/seat post length?  After a while it get a 
> bit annoying.

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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Litho]

Thank you, Bill.  You got me to open the freehub again and remove all of 
the pawls and springs.  I tried to put it back with 3 pawls, but the 
retaining ring wouldn't hold just three of them in place very well.  They 
were flopping all over the place and had so much play that the return 
springs did nothing.  Which got me to thinking about the strength of the 
return springs under the pawls.  The "spring" of the pawls was really weak 
when I pushed down on them, even with all six in.   They barely popped back 
up.  To the point that the hub made almost no ratcheting noise when 
coasting.  Very quiet except for the occasional pinging.   I actually 
remarked to my wife how strangely quiet the hub was, much quieter than the 
XT hubs on my Atlantis and far quieter than any other hubs I've had.  I 
figured it was a design feature.  

Long story short, I pulled on the springs a bit to elongate them just 
slightly and then put the hub back together.  It's buzzing nicely now, the 
click of the pawls ratcheting is not perfectly simultaneous but much closer 
(you were spot on about that!), AND I can't make it ping anymore.  The 
pawls have more force pushing them against the ratchet in the hub now.  I 
don't know why the springs wouldn't have been like that out of the box.  

I'll have to test it some more tomorrow to see if that really took care of 
it, but it seems to have made it better for the moment. 

Thanks again for the detailed analysis.  Very helpful!   



On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 9:27:45 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> OK, you answers are all as I expected.  I don't like the idea of six 
> pawls.  It's what we call an overdetermined system.  The idea with six 
> pawls is that each carry 1/6th of the load, but in order for that to 
> happen, the machining has to be absolutely positively perfect.  The 
> hardness of pawls themselves is extremely hard.  The hardness of the 
> splined drive shell is extremely hard.  All six have to hit their groove 
> perfectly.  Imagine building a wooden table with six legs out of hard oak 
> in your garage.  It would be really hard to build that table with such 
> precision that all six legs carry 1/6th of the weight of the table.  It 
> would be hard to even get all 6 legs to reach the ground.  
>
> I suspect the requirement for absolute perfection is not attainable every 
> single time with hubs with that design.  You might get lucky and have all 
> six perfect, and you may be unlucky.  To convince yourself that you are 
> just a little unlucky, turn the freehub body backwards as slowly as you 
> can.  If it was manufactured perfectly, you will hear one CLICK, but it's 
> really all six clicks happening simultaneously.  See if you move slowly 
> enough to separate the clicks.  I suspect you'll find it easy to identify 
> that there is one early, or one late.  
>
> To prove this is the cause, the test I recommend is to do exactly what 
> you'd do with your six-legged table: change it to a three-legged table.  A 
> three-legged table self-levels because it can.  Remove three of the six 
> pawls and ride your bike.   I bet a dollar the PING is gone.  
>
> If that works as I expect, then you have something to discuss with your 
> builder.  I personally think that six pawl design is dumb and three pawls 
> is ample.  I think "upgrading" from 6 to 3 is an improvement.  I'd just use 
> the wheel with three pawls and have a three spare pawls on hand.  You may 
> decide it's a manufacturing defect and demand a new wheel under some kind 
> of warranty.  I won't instruct you how to resolve the issue. 
>
> best of luck
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 8:34:15 PM UTC-7 Litho wrote:
>
>>
>> [image: Hub_01.jpg][image: Hub_02.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] WTB / WTT: 10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) / 25.4 clamp

[Joe Bunik]

hi gang

I'm seeking one of the Nitto DirtDrop riser stems, preferably the
longer 10cm extension.

There seem to have been many variants on this classic, but I'm
definitely looking for the "Riv"-style / long quill riser. But
most crucially, I want the 25.4 bar clamp size.

Apparently I've collected many many stems, but somehow the ideal one
just isn't in stock here (or at RBW!).

Please contact me off-list at jbu...@gmail.com

Thanks!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any brazer interested in reinforcing a rear rack for KOF bike?

[Mike Godwin]

Patrick is the front rack based on the dimensions of the first fork or the 
replacement fork?

Mike SLO CA


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 5:42:47 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, Kai. I talked to Stephen Bilenky this afternoon, and I am hoping 
> that I can ship him the rack and have him make me a better one with the 
> same attachment points, stainless, less bulky, and of course stiffer. He 
> has a very long lead time -- December, he said -- but perhaps I'll buy a 
> stainless Tubus to use in the meantime.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:19 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I'm a brazer!! (superheroic voice), but I'm not sure how to get the 
>> waggle out of that rack with only one point of contact up top. It could be 
>> reinforced easily, but that would just make it a stronger lever when it's 
>> leveraging on your frame. What I would do is make it have some weird 
>> looking braces that steadied the rack to the seat stays. It would likely be 
>> clumsy looking, but it would certainly be stable.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm covering my bets by asking this question on all the lists I belong 
>>> to, so I apologize to those who see it 2 or 3 times.
>>>
>>> Chauncey Matthews did a sterling job on the replacement and clone of my 
>>> 2003 custom 26" wheel Rivendell road bike but a lousy job on the racks. The 
>>> rear is to flexible and the fronts are too short top to bottom by about 
>>>  4-5 cm. 
>>>
>>> Is any builder on list able and willing to work on these? I would ship 
>>> them to the person along with samples of the 2 Ortliebs I use on the racks 
>>> (I use big -- Backroller -- *or* small -- Sports Packer on the rear 
>>> rack, the small ones only on the front lowriders). The rear rack would need 
>>> reinforcement, probably adding or substituting a diagonal from rear of 
>>> platform to bolt-on point; the fronts would have to be remade, but with the 
>>> mounting points similar to the model.
>>>
>>> I'd rather not ship the entire bike, but this sort of work ought not to 
>>> require that.
>>>
>>> I would pay for powdercoating if the builder would be willing to handle 
>>> it, or I can have it done locally.
>>>
>>> (In case you are wondering: Chauncey was supposed to have designed the 
>>> rear for seatstay attachment, but he didn't, so the bridge mounting system 
>>> will have to remain.)
>>>
>>> Photos attached.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Bill Lindsay]

OK, you answers are all as I expected.  I don't like the idea of six 
pawls.  It's what we call an overdetermined system.  The idea with six 
pawls is that each carry 1/6th of the load, but in order for that to 
happen, the machining has to be absolutely positively perfect.  The 
hardness of pawls themselves is extremely hard.  The hardness of the 
splined drive shell is extremely hard.  All six have to hit their groove 
perfectly.  Imagine building a wooden table with six legs out of hard oak 
in your garage.  It would be really hard to build that table with such 
precision that all six legs carry 1/6th of the weight of the table.  It 
would be hard to even get all 6 legs to reach the ground.  

I suspect the requirement for absolute perfection is not attainable every 
single time with hubs with that design.  You might get lucky and have all 
six perfect, and you may be unlucky.  To convince yourself that you are 
just a little unlucky, turn the freehub body backwards as slowly as you 
can.  If it was manufactured perfectly, you will hear one CLICK, but it's 
really all six clicks happening simultaneously.  See if you move slowly 
enough to separate the clicks.  I suspect you'll find it easy to identify 
that there is one early, or one late.  

To prove this is the cause, the test I recommend is to do exactly what 
you'd do with your six-legged table: change it to a three-legged table.  A 
three-legged table self-levels because it can.  Remove three of the six 
pawls and ride your bike.   I bet a dollar the PING is gone.  

If that works as I expect, then you have something to discuss with your 
builder.  I personally think that six pawl design is dumb and three pawls 
is ample.  I think "upgrading" from 6 to 3 is an improvement.  I'd just use 
the wheel with three pawls and have a three spare pawls on hand.  You may 
decide it's a manufacturing defect and demand a new wheel under some kind 
of warranty.  I won't instruct you how to resolve the issue. 

best of luck

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 8:34:15 PM UTC-7 Litho wrote:

>
> [image: Hub_01.jpg][image: Hub_02.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Pics with Special Effects

[Mike Godwin]

I thought you were in front of a Turkish consulate, specific to Texas.  
Really cool images. 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 6:09:33 PM UTC-7, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
> Well, not a Riv, it's my wife's Electra that has 700c wheels.(I think most 
> of these pedal forward design type Electras or Trek Pure's have 26" wheels.)
>
> This pic from our ride Sunday has so much going on but I like it.
>
> I may have it printed on a T-shirt for her.
>
> The cow on the moon is a large piece of art at a mixed commercial 
> development up in Plano, TX.
>
>
> [image: Image] 
>

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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Litho]

Howdy Bill, 

1.  I upgraded to a new wheel set that included beefier rims and a dyno up 
front. This is an upgrade from the Silver / Alex that came stock on the 
Appaloosas.  I'm also in conversation with the builder, but we are on other 
sides of the country so I'm trying to crowd source some ideas! 
2.  Bitex BX103r
3.  The input is me turning the crank by hand, backpedaling a little at a 
time and then pushing it forward to simulate pedaling load.  I'm not 
pushing particularly hard in the video.  I'm doing it to illustrate the 
noise.  
4.  6 pawls.  I removed the lock ring, the pawls, and the tiny, tiny return 
springs under the pawls from the freehub body.  I didn't touch the bearing 
cartridges.  Pawls are in the freehub on this one, ratchets in the hub 
body.  
5.  I took high res photos of the pawl assembly under a studio light and 
inspected the high res photos.  My vision is pretty good, but not that 
good!  I looked at the splines in the driveshell with a bright light and 
ran a toothpick over each one to see if I could feel any deformations, 
nicks, etc.  
6.  Each of the six pawls is cut into two teeth on the business end.  The 
locking goes in between the pawl teeth.  Let me see if I can upload a 
photo.  

I'd love to hear your theory!  I'm well beyond the scope of my knowledge!


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 7:59:41 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. Why did you put a new rear wheel on your Appaloosa?
> 2. What rear hub is on your new rear wheel?
> 3. In the youtube video you aim the camera at the cassette but don't show 
> what you are doing at the input.  What are you doing at the input?  I think 
> you are backpedalling a little and then deliberately jerking the pedals 
> forward.  The chain isn't going slack and slamming tight on it's own.  You 
> are doing that on purpose to illustrate the noise.  Correct?
> 4.  When you "pulled apart the rear hub and inspected the freehub pawls", 
> how many pawls are there?  2?  3?  6?  To be clear, the pawls are the tiny 
> pieces of metal that are springloaded and individually click into the 
> splines of the drive ring or drive shell, depending on the way your rear 
> hub is architected. 
> 5.  When you say you inspected the pawls, did you actually inspect the 
> pawls, or did you mean you looked at the splines of the driveshell?
> 6.  Do your pawls have a single engagement end like most freehub and 
> freewheel pawls, or are they toothed with two or three teeth on their 
> business end?  
>
> I have a theory, and I'm pretty sure it's correct, but I don't want to 
> post a long and correct description for the wrong rear hub, because it will 
> confuse people who are not mechanics.  I don't mind confusing people with 
> long correct descriptions when they are relevant to the problem at hand.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-7 Litho wrote:
>
>> Some context: put a new wheel on my Appaloosa a few days ago.  New wheel, 
>> all other parts of the drivetrain the same.  A few minutes  into the first 
>> ride around the block, I heard a ping from the rear of the drivetrain. 
>>  Stopped to see if the chain was off.  Nope.  Got on and didn't hear it 
>> again until later in the ride.  But only once more.  
>>
>> Back at home, admiring the new wheels, spun the pedals backward and 
>> hopped on to ride down the driveway.  As soon as I pedaled, PING.  
>>
>> So, drivetrain noise are notoriously irritating to root out.  This one is 
>> driving me nuts.  I've done the following: 
>> -Put another wheel on the bike to see if it still made the noise. It did 
>> not. 
>> -Put a new chain on. Still made the noise. 
>> -Tuned up my rear derailleur. Still made the noise. 
>> -Swapped cassette. Still made the noise. 
>> -Put the rear wheel on another bike. It made the same noise on the other 
>> bike. 
>> -Tightened every bolt / nut in the drivetrain to manufacturer's spec 
>> using a torque wrench. 
>> - Pulled apart rear hub and examined freehub pawls. No apparent damage. 
>> Cleaned and relubed freehub. Reinstalled. Still made the noise. 
>> -Inspected and reinstalled the axle. Still made the noise. 
>>  -Checked and adjusted spacer on cassette. Still made the noise. 
>>
>> What variable have I not yet isolated and tested???  Where does the 
>> pinging gremlin live???
>>
>> I'd love to hear some suggestions.  
>>
>> Here's a video complete with the ping: 
>> https://youtu.be/4v4TO9NKpAE
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Bill Lindsay]

Here are my questions:

1. Why did you put a new rear wheel on your Appaloosa?
2. What rear hub is on your new rear wheel?
3. In the youtube video you aim the camera at the cassette but don't show 
what you are doing at the input.  What are you doing at the input?  I think 
you are backpedalling a little and then deliberately jerking the pedals 
forward.  The chain isn't going slack and slamming tight on it's own.  You 
are doing that on purpose to illustrate the noise.  Correct?
4.  When you "pulled apart the rear hub and inspected the freehub pawls", 
how many pawls are there?  2?  3?  6?  To be clear, the pawls are the tiny 
pieces of metal that are springloaded and individually click into the 
splines of the drive ring or drive shell, depending on the way your rear 
hub is architected. 
5.  When you say you inspected the pawls, did you actually inspect the 
pawls, or did you mean you looked at the splines of the driveshell?
6.  Do your pawls have a single engagement end like most freehub and 
freewheel pawls, or are they toothed with two or three teeth on their 
business end?  

I have a theory, and I'm pretty sure it's correct, but I don't want to post 
a long and correct description for the wrong rear hub, because it will 
confuse people who are not mechanics.  I don't mind confusing people with 
long correct descriptions when they are relevant to the problem at hand.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-7 Litho wrote:

> Some context: put a new wheel on my Appaloosa a few days ago.  New wheel, 
> all other parts of the drivetrain the same.  A few minutes  into the first 
> ride around the block, I heard a ping from the rear of the drivetrain. 
>  Stopped to see if the chain was off.  Nope.  Got on and didn't hear it 
> again until later in the ride.  But only once more.  
>
> Back at home, admiring the new wheels, spun the pedals backward and hopped 
> on to ride down the driveway.  As soon as I pedaled, PING.  
>
> So, drivetrain noise are notoriously irritating to root out.  This one is 
> driving me nuts.  I've done the following: 
> -Put another wheel on the bike to see if it still made the noise. It did 
> not. 
> -Put a new chain on. Still made the noise. 
> -Tuned up my rear derailleur. Still made the noise. 
> -Swapped cassette. Still made the noise. 
> -Put the rear wheel on another bike. It made the same noise on the other 
> bike. 
> -Tightened every bolt / nut in the drivetrain to manufacturer's spec using 
> a torque wrench. 
> - Pulled apart rear hub and examined freehub pawls. No apparent damage. 
> Cleaned and relubed freehub. Reinstalled. Still made the noise. 
> -Inspected and reinstalled the axle. Still made the noise. 
>  -Checked and adjusted spacer on cassette. Still made the noise. 
>
> What variable have I not yet isolated and tested???  Where does the 
> pinging gremlin live???
>
> I'd love to hear some suggestions.  
>
> Here's a video complete with the ping: 
> https://youtu.be/4v4TO9NKpAE
>
>

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Re: [RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Ron's Bikes started selling them recently also, but appears to be currently
out of stock.
https://ronsbikes.com/products/japan-tail-light?_pos=2&_sid=292ee306a&_ss=r&variant=33031174422616

I'm a big fan of these lights and have been using them for years(via
BlueLug).  I have one mounted on the rear eyelet on every bike I have as a
spare rear light..

Couple things to note,  make sure you mount them so the USB port faces the
bottom, they have a rubber flap to keep splashes out, but do not stand up
to water seeping in from the top. If it happens, it will short and won't be
ruined, but will take a week or so to dry out and be usable again.
Also make sure you keep the usb cable that comes with it, the connector is
a tad bit longer than most and is needed.as the hole around the plug is too
small for most cable ends.  I ended up buying a regular length usb cable
with an extended micro B connector.

--Ben

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I agree that ordering from Jitensha is the easier option. That's what I'll
> do.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:07 PM Ray  wrote:
>
>> You guys are too good! And FAST! This is why I knew posting here would be
>> my best bet.
>>
>> Steve -- I think you're right. That light looks identical. Thank you for
>> the connection.
>>
>> Patrick -- That would have been a great idea and you would have been able
>> to count on me to facilitate, but I think given the cost and convenience
>> the Grand Bois light from Jitensha that Steve linked would probably be the
>> better solution. What do you think?
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:07:33 PM UTC-5 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>> This looks just like the Kiley light I bought from Grand Bois in Japan
>>> back in 2017.  Jitensha has it
>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/GrandBois_batt_taillight.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/21/20 12:55 PM, Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are
>>> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>>>
>>> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on
>>> the global site:
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>>>
>>> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that
>>> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most
>>> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light.
>>> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but
>>> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the
>>> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't
>>> always direct the light the way you might want.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too
>>> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love
>>> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my
>>> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you
>>> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia
>>> USA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Litho]

It's every time I'm on the bike, now.  It's occasional under normal riding, 
but typically happens if I slow down, coast, or backpedal.  I took a slow 
motion video of the chain when the pinging happens to see if it's sticking 
or suddenly releasing slack, but if it is, I don't see it.  


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 6:55:19 PM UTC-7 Justin wrote:

> Call me crazy but in the vid to my ears it actually sounds like chain 
> slack, slapping taught, more of a slap than a ping. Engaagement looks good. 
> I'm sure in person its different to hear. Sorry I don't have any 
> suggestions. Just giving my observation.
>
> best of luck
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 9:41:50 PM UTC-4 Litho wrote:
>
>> Some context: put a new wheel on my Appaloosa a few days ago.  New wheel, 
>> all other parts of the drivetrain the same.  A few minutes  into the first 
>> ride around the block, I heard a ping from the rear of the drivetrain. 
>>  Stopped to see if the chain was off.  Nope.  Got on and didn't hear it 
>> again until later in the ride.  But only once more.  
>>
>> Back at home, admiring the new wheels, spun the pedals backward and 
>> hopped on to ride down the driveway.  As soon as I pedaled, PING.  
>>
>> So, drivetrain noise are notoriously irritating to root out.  This one is 
>> driving me nuts.  I've done the following: 
>> -Put another wheel on the bike to see if it still made the noise. It did 
>> not. 
>> -Put a new chain on. Still made the noise. 
>> -Tuned up my rear derailleur. Still made the noise. 
>> -Swapped cassette. Still made the noise. 
>> -Put the rear wheel on another bike. It made the same noise on the other 
>> bike. 
>> -Tightened every bolt / nut in the drivetrain to manufacturer's spec 
>> using a torque wrench. 
>> - Pulled apart rear hub and examined freehub pawls. No apparent damage. 
>> Cleaned and relubed freehub. Reinstalled. Still made the noise. 
>> -Inspected and reinstalled the axle. Still made the noise. 
>>  -Checked and adjusted spacer on cassette. Still made the noise. 
>>
>> What variable have I not yet isolated and tested???  Where does the 
>> pinging gremlin live???
>>
>> I'd love to hear some suggestions.  
>>
>> Here's a video complete with the ping: 
>> https://youtu.be/4v4TO9NKpAE
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Justin]

Call me crazy but in the vid to my ears it actually sounds like chain 
slack, slapping taught, more of a slap than a ping. Engaagement looks good. 
I'm sure in person its different to hear. Sorry I don't have any 
suggestions. Just giving my observation.

best of luck

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 9:41:50 PM UTC-4 Litho wrote:

> Some context: put a new wheel on my Appaloosa a few days ago.  New wheel, 
> all other parts of the drivetrain the same.  A few minutes  into the first 
> ride around the block, I heard a ping from the rear of the drivetrain. 
>  Stopped to see if the chain was off.  Nope.  Got on and didn't hear it 
> again until later in the ride.  But only once more.  
>
> Back at home, admiring the new wheels, spun the pedals backward and hopped 
> on to ride down the driveway.  As soon as I pedaled, PING.  
>
> So, drivetrain noise are notoriously irritating to root out.  This one is 
> driving me nuts.  I've done the following: 
> -Put another wheel on the bike to see if it still made the noise. It did 
> not. 
> -Put a new chain on. Still made the noise. 
> -Tuned up my rear derailleur. Still made the noise. 
> -Swapped cassette. Still made the noise. 
> -Put the rear wheel on another bike. It made the same noise on the other 
> bike. 
> -Tightened every bolt / nut in the drivetrain to manufacturer's spec using 
> a torque wrench. 
> - Pulled apart rear hub and examined freehub pawls. No apparent damage. 
> Cleaned and relubed freehub. Reinstalled. Still made the noise. 
> -Inspected and reinstalled the axle. Still made the noise. 
>  -Checked and adjusted spacer on cassette. Still made the noise. 
>
> What variable have I not yet isolated and tested???  Where does the 
> pinging gremlin live???
>
> I'd love to hear some suggestions.  
>
> Here's a video complete with the ping: 
> https://youtu.be/4v4TO9NKpAE
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Patrick Moore]

New spokes automatically establishing tension equilibrium? All my new rear
wheels "ping" occasionally for the first few miles.

If it's more than episodic or if it continues beyond the first ride or 2,
then there is probably more to it.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 7:41 PM Litho  wrote:

> Some context: put a new wheel on my Appaloosa a few days ago.  New wheel,
> all other parts of the drivetrain the same.  A few minutes  into the first
> ride around the block, I heard a ping from the rear of the drivetrain.
> Stopped to see if the chain was off.  Nope.  Got on and didn't hear it
> again until later in the ride.  But only once more.
>
> Back at home, admiring the new wheels, spun the pedals backward and hopped
> on to ride down the driveway.  As soon as I pedaled, PING.
>
> So, drivetrain noise are notoriously irritating to root out.  This one is
> driving me nuts.  I've done the following:
> -Put another wheel on the bike to see if it still made the noise. It did
> not.
> -Put a new chain on. Still made the noise.
> -Tuned up my rear derailleur. Still made the noise.
> -Swapped cassette. Still made the noise.
> -Put the rear wheel on another bike. It made the same noise on the other
> bike.
> -Tightened every bolt / nut in the drivetrain to manufacturer's spec using
> a torque wrench.
> - Pulled apart rear hub and examined freehub pawls. No apparent damage.
> Cleaned and relubed freehub. Reinstalled. Still made the noise.
> -Inspected and reinstalled the axle. Still made the noise.
>  -Checked and adjusted spacer on cassette. Still made the noise.
>
> What variable have I not yet isolated and tested???  Where does the
> pinging gremlin live???
>
> I'd love to hear some suggestions.
>
> Here's a video complete with the ping:
> https://youtu.be/4v4TO9NKpAE
>
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[RBW] Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Litho]

Some context: put a new wheel on my Appaloosa a few days ago.  New wheel, 
all other parts of the drivetrain the same.  A few minutes  into the first 
ride around the block, I heard a ping from the rear of the drivetrain. 
 Stopped to see if the chain was off.  Nope.  Got on and didn't hear it 
again until later in the ride.  But only once more.  

Back at home, admiring the new wheels, spun the pedals backward and hopped 
on to ride down the driveway.  As soon as I pedaled, PING.  

So, drivetrain noise are notoriously irritating to root out.  This one is 
driving me nuts.  I've done the following: 
-Put another wheel on the bike to see if it still made the noise. It did 
not. 
-Put a new chain on. Still made the noise. 
-Tuned up my rear derailleur. Still made the noise. 
-Swapped cassette. Still made the noise. 
-Put the rear wheel on another bike. It made the same noise on the other 
bike. 
-Tightened every bolt / nut in the drivetrain to manufacturer's spec using 
a torque wrench. 
- Pulled apart rear hub and examined freehub pawls. No apparent damage. 
Cleaned and relubed freehub. Reinstalled. Still made the noise. 
-Inspected and reinstalled the axle. Still made the noise. 
 -Checked and adjusted spacer on cassette. Still made the noise. 

What variable have I not yet isolated and tested???  Where does the pinging 
gremlin live???

I'd love to hear some suggestions.  

Here's a video complete with the ping: 
https://youtu.be/4v4TO9NKpAE

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

[kim young]

I can hardly wait !


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hi Roberta and Kim the Flowerfang!
>
> Yeah I've been draggin` hard the last 6 weeks or so. First the smoke then
> I tweaked my back lifting this way when I should have lifted that way..it’s
> been one damn thing after another this year! But I'm on the mend and my
> oomph should be back soon. I gotta finish this bike!
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Garth and Joe,
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that the rise is less than the Albatross.  Not
>> exactly what I wanted to hear. But perhaps the bike  has a taller headtube
>> that would make up for this.  Or, get one of those super-duper tall stem
>> that BBDD loves on her Clem L.  But, I understand they are sold out
>> everywhere.
>>
>> Joe, are you OK?  This doesn't sound like you:  ..."Bombadil which will
>> apparently never be completed..my bike building skills have lost their
>> oomph!"  Perhaps it's just the bad air?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:36:12 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Roberta, from what can tell in the write up and photos between Riv and
>>> BL websites, it is indeed a Bosco bar shape but with much less rise.
>>> Judging from the side views it's less rise than an Alba, about the same
>>> rise as a Billie, give or take 5mm. Whatever you can fit onto a Bosco bar
>>> would apply to the Losco.  If whatbars.com showed them they ought to
>>> appear the same shape as the images are only from above.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 3:47:50 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:


 Does

 anyone have rise information, especially on how it compares to the

 Albatross?These bars aren't published on the excellent site
 whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for the Albas at 50 on the site.

 I'm

 thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like there's more

 room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips than the Albas.  It

 might even be better because it comes back a little more and I'm

 expecting the Platypus to be long in the middle.

 Thanks,
 Roberta


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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would perfer the Hudson Trail area. Sandy Hook sounds nice.  I think Mt 
Mitchell Overlook is a nice view with the climb coming from the west.

Is parking available???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ .



On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 8:22:18 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> What kind of rides is everyone interested in? What distances do you have 
> in mind? Here are some thoughts right off the top of my head:
>
> The only scenic section of the Henry Hudson Trail is the very short 
> section between Atlantic Highlands and Highlands. So, a nice ride could be 
> to start from Atlantic Highlands, ride along the Raritan Bay into 
> Highlands, then cross the bridge over the Shrewsbury River (a little bit of 
> a climb) and hit Sandy Hook, which is really nice. Once there, you can ride 
> along Sandy Hook Bay, ride past old officers quarters, gun emplacements, 
> and a lighthouse. This is a 25-30 mile round trip. (But starting from the 
> Matawan train station to the west would add another 20 miles to the round 
> trip.)
>
> Another option is Patriots Path, which one can pick up not too far from 
> the Morristown train station (actually, Morris Plains might be better 
> to avoid Morristown traffic). Starting from Speedwell Lake, the eastern 
> part is paved, but it turns to dirt singletrack soon enough for the rest of 
> the way westward. It's all off road, cross-country stuff -- diverse 
> landscapes, mostly flat, but there are some rollers and a few short but 
> steep hills in the middle with roots (you can always get off your bike and 
> hike it up). The area gets progressively less suburban as you head further 
> west, and by the time you reach Mendham, there's even a nice little water 
> crossing. It's about a 20 mile round trip from Morristown to Mendham and 
> back.
>
> If you're looking for just a little chill ride for a get-together, another 
> place is the Loantaka Brook Reservation (Morristown area), coupled with 
> some road stretches in the area with the Traction Line Trail. (Getting off 
> the train at Convent Station will put you off literally right alongside the 
> Traction Line Trail.) Nice, varied terrain, although the trails tend to get 
> crowded on the weekend.
>
> The D&R Canal towpath is nice. The more scenic section is the one that 
> runs along the Delaware River (but might be too far for New Yorkers). 
> There's also a section between New Brunswick and Trenton with a nice 
> stretch around Princeton. An option could be to get off the train at Bound 
> Brook, pick up the trail there, and head south to Kingston and Princeton 
> (but that's around a 40-mile round trip, mostly through nothing but trees 
> along a canal).
>
> The Columbia Trail is another nice one. There's a train stop very close to 
> the southern trailhead at High Bridge, but the trains don't go that far 
> west on weekends. But from there, it's a 22-mile round trip between there 
> and the Long Valley Brew Pub.
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
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[RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Roberta and Kim the Flowerfang!

Yeah I've been draggin` hard the last 6 weeks or so. First the smoke then I 
tweaked my back lifting this way when I should have lifted that way..it’s 
been one damn thing after another this year! But I'm on the mend and my 
oomph should be back soon. I gotta finish this bike!

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Garth and Joe,
>
> Thanks for confirming that the rise is less than the Albatross.  Not 
> exactly what I wanted to hear. But perhaps the bike  has a taller headtube 
> that would make up for this.  Or, get one of those super-duper tall stem 
> that BBDD loves on her Clem L.  But, I understand they are sold out 
> everywhere. 
>
> Joe, are you OK?  This doesn't sound like you:  ..."Bombadil which will 
> apparently never be completed..my bike building skills have lost their 
> oomph!"  Perhaps it's just the bad air?
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:36:12 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Roberta, from what can tell in the write up and photos between Riv and BL 
>> websites, it is indeed a Bosco bar shape but with much less rise. Judging 
>> from the side views it's less rise than an Alba, about the same rise as a 
>> Billie, give or take 5mm. Whatever you can fit onto a Bosco bar would apply 
>> to the Losco.  If whatbars.com showed them they ought to appear the same 
>> shape as the images are only from above.  
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 3:47:50 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have rise information, especially on how it compares to the 
>>> Albatross?These bars aren't published on the excellent site 
>>> whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for the Albas at 50 on the site.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like there's more 
>>> room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips than the Albas.  It might 
>>> even be better because it comes back a little more and I'm expecting the 
>>> Platypus to be long in the middle.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Any brazer interested in reinforcing a rear rack for KOF bike?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Kai. I talked to Stephen Bilenky this afternoon, and I am hoping
that I can ship him the rack and have him make me a better one with the
same attachment points, stainless, less bulky, and of course stiffer. He
has a very long lead time -- December, he said -- but perhaps I'll buy a
stainless Tubus to use in the meantime.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:19 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a brazer!! (superheroic voice), but I'm not sure how to get the waggle
> out of that rack with only one point of contact up top. It could be
> reinforced easily, but that would just make it a stronger lever when it's
> leveraging on your frame. What I would do is make it have some weird
> looking braces that steadied the rack to the seat stays. It would likely be
> clumsy looking, but it would certainly be stable.
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm covering my bets by asking this question on all the lists I belong
>> to, so I apologize to those who see it 2 or 3 times.
>>
>> Chauncey Matthews did a sterling job on the replacement and clone of my
>> 2003 custom 26" wheel Rivendell road bike but a lousy job on the racks. The
>> rear is to flexible and the fronts are too short top to bottom by about
>>  4-5 cm.
>>
>> Is any builder on list able and willing to work on these? I would ship
>> them to the person along with samples of the 2 Ortliebs I use on the racks
>> (I use big -- Backroller -- *or* small -- Sports Packer on the rear
>> rack, the small ones only on the front lowriders). The rear rack would need
>> reinforcement, probably adding or substituting a diagonal from rear of
>> platform to bolt-on point; the fronts would have to be remade, but with the
>> mounting points similar to the model.
>>
>> I'd rather not ship the entire bike, but this sort of work ought not to
>> require that.
>>
>> I would pay for powdercoating if the builder would be willing to handle
>> it, or I can have it done locally.
>>
>> (In case you are wondering: Chauncey was supposed to have designed the
>> rear for seatstay attachment, but he didn't, so the bridge mounting system
>> will have to remain.)
>>
>> Photos attached.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

What kind of rides is everyone interested in? What distances do you have in 
mind? Here are some thoughts right off the top of my head:

The only scenic section of the Henry Hudson Trail is the very short section 
between Atlantic Highlands and Highlands. So, a nice ride could be to start 
from Atlantic Highlands, ride along the Raritan Bay into Highlands, then 
cross the bridge over the Shrewsbury River (a little bit of a climb) and 
hit Sandy Hook, which is really nice. Once there, you can ride along Sandy 
Hook Bay, ride past old officers quarters, gun emplacements, and a 
lighthouse. This is a 25-30 mile round trip. (But starting from the Matawan 
train station to the west would add another 20 miles to the round trip.)

Another option is Patriots Path, which one can pick up not too far from the 
Morristown train station (actually, Morris Plains might be better to avoid 
Morristown traffic). Starting from Speedwell Lake, the eastern part is 
paved, but it turns to dirt singletrack soon enough for the rest of the way 
westward. It's all off road, cross-country stuff -- diverse landscapes, 
mostly flat, but there are some rollers and a few short but steep hills in 
the middle with roots (you can always get off your bike and hike it up). 
The area gets progressively less suburban as you head further west, and by 
the time you reach Mendham, there's even a nice little water crossing. It's 
about a 20 mile round trip from Morristown to Mendham and back.

If you're looking for just a little chill ride for a get-together, another 
place is the Loantaka Brook Reservation (Morristown area), coupled with 
some road stretches in the area with the Traction Line Trail. (Getting off 
the train at Convent Station will put you off literally right alongside the 
Traction Line Trail.) Nice, varied terrain, although the trails tend to get 
crowded on the weekend.

The D&R Canal towpath is nice. The more scenic section is the one that runs 
along the Delaware River (but might be too far for New Yorkers). There's 
also a section between New Brunswick and Trenton with a nice stretch around 
Princeton. An option could be to get off the train at Bound Brook, pick up 
the trail there, and head south to Kingston and Princeton (but that's 
around a 40-mile round trip, mostly through nothing but trees along a 
canal).

The Columbia Trail is another nice one. There's a train stop very close to 
the southern trailhead at High Bridge, but the trains don't go that far 
west on weekends. But from there, it's a 22-mile round trip between there 
and the Long Valley Brew Pub.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Any brazer interested in reinforcing a rear rack for KOF bike?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I'm a brazer!! (superheroic voice), but I'm not sure how to get the waggle 
out of that rack with only one point of contact up top. It could be 
reinforced easily, but that would just make it a stronger lever when it's 
leveraging on your frame. What I would do is make it have some weird 
looking braces that steadied the rack to the seat stays. It would likely be 
clumsy looking, but it would certainly be stable.
-Kai

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm covering my bets by asking this question on all the lists I belong to, 
> so I apologize to those who see it 2 or 3 times.
>
> Chauncey Matthews did a sterling job on the replacement and clone of my 
> 2003 custom 26" wheel Rivendell road bike but a lousy job on the racks. The 
> rear is to flexible and the fronts are too short top to bottom by about 
>  4-5 cm. 
>
> Is any builder on list able and willing to work on these? I would ship 
> them to the person along with samples of the 2 Ortliebs I use on the racks 
> (I use big -- Backroller -- *or* small -- Sports Packer on the rear rack, 
> the small ones only on the front lowriders). The rear rack would need 
> reinforcement, probably adding or substituting a diagonal from rear of 
> platform to bolt-on point; the fronts would have to be remade, but with the 
> mounting points similar to the model.
>
> I'd rather not ship the entire bike, but this sort of work ought not to 
> require that.
>
> I would pay for powdercoating if the builder would be willing to handle 
> it, or I can have it done locally.
>
> (In case you are wondering: Chauncey was supposed to have designed the 
> rear for seatstay attachment, but he didn't, so the bridge mounting system 
> will have to remain.)
>
> Photos attached.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: NIB Selle Anatomica X2 Saddle, Oxblood/Silver

[Paul Brodek]

Apologies if this is a re-post, have been trying to get it to post here but 
it seems to disappear
PB

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 8:02:42 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> NIB Selle Anatomica X2 Saddle, Oxblood/Silver: $100 shipped conti USA, 
> paypal G/S
>
> I got this new/unused from the original owner, figuring I'd use it, but 
> never did. Never installed, never tensioned, like new.
>
> This is from the later -2 series, more easily rebuildable with the tops 
> bolted to the frame i/o riveted. Swap the top, treat yourself to a titanium 
> frame.
>
> The under-saddle sticker says Oxblood, the box sticker says Black, not 
> sure what's up with that. Maybe the original owner had two, and the boxes 
> got switched? I have seen ebay listings with Black in the title, and 
> Oxblood in the description, sowho knows? Saddle color definitely is 
> Oxblood, not Black.
>
> Let me know if you've got questions. Photos/flickr links below
>
> More pix near top of Flickr Album:
> [url]https://flic.kr/s/aHsk4hRDyg[/url]
>
> [image: 50351276697_078dab8c55_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50350420178_8a33d5d559_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50351120806_ac9e3101f8_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50351120666_a1eda592e6_c.jpg]
>
>
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
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[RBW] Re: A plug for the new Wooly Warm vest

[Mark Roland]

I agree. It just started dipping down enough that I can wear mine on brisk 
morning rides. It is rather wonderful. Stretches over a Pendleton button 
down and looks great, super comfy.  The only bummer is it will take wearing 
time away from last year's sweater, and my Filson vest. Guess I'll just 
have to deal with these issues.

On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 12:50:58 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> It likely does not need my endorsement but here it is. 
> I bought one of the early woolly warm vests and used it for years, not 
> just on the bike. 
> Vests are great for winter projects where a sweater gets too hot or the 
> sleeves get damp or dirty.  
> I used to cut the sleeves off my rag wool sweaters when the elbows wore 
> through. 
>
> This new model vest is nicer in finish, much nicer. 
> Don’t be put off by the appearance of it being cut slim, it stretches out 
> really well due to the ribbed construction. 
> If you’re on the fence, snag one while you can. 
>
> I was looking at my old one last winter and was a little bummed that it 
> may not last, now I’m set for a couple more decades. 
>
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Patrick Moore]

I agree that ordering from Jitensha is the easier option. That's what I'll
do.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:07 PM Ray  wrote:

> You guys are too good! And FAST! This is why I knew posting here would be
> my best bet.
>
> Steve -- I think you're right. That light looks identical. Thank you for
> the connection.
>
> Patrick -- That would have been a great idea and you would have been able
> to count on me to facilitate, but I think given the cost and convenience
> the Grand Bois light from Jitensha that Steve linked would probably be the
> better solution. What do you think?
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:07:33 PM UTC-5 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>> This looks just like the Kiley light I bought from Grand Bois in Japan
>> back in 2017.  Jitensha has it
>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/GrandBois_batt_taillight.html
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/20 12:55 PM, Ray wrote:
>>
>> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are
>> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>>
>> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on
>> the global site:
>> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>>
>> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that
>> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most
>> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light.
>> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but
>> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the
>> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't
>> always direct the light the way you might want.
>>
>> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too
>> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love
>> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my
>> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you
>> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia
>> USA
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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The east west portion (along Raritan Bay) covers the same area as the 
Cranbury 200K.  The view from the Highlands is nice especially if it is a 
clear day.  10/17 sounds good to me.

John Hawrylak
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW's Banana Sax with inside flap for security is available.

[Patrick Moore]

All Carradice-type saddlebags (and Rivendell's are all variations on this
theme) gently nuzzle the backs of your thighs as you pedal; I quickly got
used to it. But you can make a standoff out of PVC pipe or a piece of scrap
wood.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 1:59 PM Ash  wrote:

> I recently got a gray Banana Sax.  When attach it to the saddle though
> back of my thigh hits the bag when I peddle.  Is common?  or maybe it
> varies with the rider's height/seat post length?  After a while it get a
> bit annoying. This bag is great for using in the front.  Looks like it will
> last a hundred years.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Roberta]

I cannot make it 10/10 and Justin can make it only on 10/10 or 10/17, so 
how does 10/17 sound to everyone?   I'm assuming that whoever didn't note a 
date is probably fine with most dates and we can hope most can come?

To me, all trails within an easy commute for everyone are fine.  Michael 
and Dave, the HH Tail looks nice.  Ride, pack a lunch, ride some more?   
How does the HH Trail sound to everyone?   Those in NY should choose, 
really, as they are all new to me, but you might want something different.  
For whatever trail we go on, someone who is familiar with the trail should 
name a meeting place.

The other rides look interesting, but too long for me, so perhaps the 
others will get together sans Roberta another time!  perhaps one day I'll 
ride 1/2 of the Half dirty populaire!  The southern most point is about 50 
miles from me.

Roberta



On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:08:19 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
(Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> I would be interested, depending on the weekend. Planning to do the Nutmeg 
> Nor'Easter in CT the weekend of 10/24 and of course Halloween is blocked 
> off for the kiddo. Possibly 10/17 or 10/10? I'll be coming from Brooklyn, 
> can meet up wherever. The Seastreak from Highlands is convenient for 
> returning to the city. 
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 7:50:07 AM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> I'd be in. I just did part of the the Henry Hudson Trail on Saturday and 
>> it was great.
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:
>>
>>>  NYC peeps can pick up the henry hudson trail or the edgar felix 
>>> bikepath almost directly from the train stations.  Both are somewhat scenic 
>>> with almost no elevation. Sandy Hook is great too but I think the ferry 
>>> shuts down at the end of sept.  That said, you can just about ride the HHT 
>>> to Sandy Hook.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.co.monmouth.nj.us/documents/130/henry_hudson_trail_july_2020_web.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nps.gov/gate/planyourvisit/upload/MUP_Wayside-Map_rev5July2017.pdf
>>>
>>> www.boblucky.com/Biking/NewJersey/Allaire.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:11:50 PM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>>>
 I’d be interested, though my weekends are hit or miss. I’m in Fort Lee 
 but could drive anywhere. 

 On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> It won't be as big or as exciting as our wonderful Eastern ride at 
> Mohonk for Riv's 25th anniversary, but I did notice a large number of New 
> Yorkers, especially from the boroughs.  I know there are a few of us from 
> NJ, and I'm not that far, in Philadelphia.
>
> I'm trying to learn more routes and was thinking that perhaps someone 
> (Bob E.???) could suggest something in NJ that we could meet at a NJ 
> Transit stop, making it easier for the NY-ers.  If there are more New 
> Yorkers than others, I'm willing to drive to you (as long as there's 
> parking).  I really don't know any routes other than the ones around 
> Philadelphia.
>
> I can do any Saturday or Sunday in October except for Oct 9 and 10. 
> I'm older and less strong than most of you; I cannot do "Mohonk" hills. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Eric Daume]

I've long been a steel guy, but I'm very happy with my aluminum Ragley
Marley. It rides as well as most of my steel bikes did, and it's lighter
and cheaper. The new geo is spectacular downhill and in otherwise sketchy
situations.

The best bang for the buck I see right now is:

https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/vitus-sentier-29-vr-mountain-bike-2021/rp-prod195562

I don't think you'll touch this build (Deore 12 speed, Marzhocchi Z2 bomber
fork, and dropper post for $1300) with anything from an LBS.

There's a 27.5" version as well, take your pick. I like 27.5, actually, but
most folks like 29ers these days.

These were briefly in stock last week and sold out quickly. Maybe put in
the notification for the in stock notice.

Eric


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:13 PM Jim M.  wrote:

> Niner Air 9 is at the upper end of your price range, if you're looking
> new: https://ninerbikes.com/products/air-9?variant=32890770784365
> I've had one for probably 10 years and it's one of my favorite bikes ever,
> along with my Rivs. Light, nimble, can convert to single speed if you want.
>
> Otherwise for your price range, I'd look used.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 11:54:21 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my
>> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was
>> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700
>> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the
>> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have
>> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6
>> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH.
>>
>> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was
>> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly
>> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one?
>>
>> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997
>> that I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but
>> was a little small for me.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Michael
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

[Roberta]

Garth and Joe,

Thanks for confirming that the rise is less than the Albatross.  Not 
exactly what I wanted to hear. But perhaps the bike  has a taller headtube 
that would make up for this.  Or, get one of those super-duper tall stem 
that BBDD loves on her Clem L.  But, I understand they are sold out 
everywhere. 

Joe, are you OK?  This doesn't sound like you:  ..."Bombadil which will 
apparently never be completed..my bike building skills have lost their 
oomph!"  Perhaps it's just the bad air?

Roberta

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:36:12 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

>
> Roberta, from what can tell in the write up and photos between Riv and BL 
> websites, it is indeed a Bosco bar shape but with much less rise. Judging 
> from the side views it's less rise than an Alba, about the same rise as a 
> Billie, give or take 5mm. Whatever you can fit onto a Bosco bar would apply 
> to the Losco.  If whatbars.com showed them they ought to appear the same 
> shape as the images are only from above.  
>
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 3:47:50 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have rise information, especially on how it compares to the 
>> Albatross?These bars aren't published on the excellent site 
>> whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for the Albas at 50 on the site.
>>
>> I'm thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like there's more 
>> room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips than the Albas.  It might 
>> even be better because it comes back a little more and I'm expecting the 
>> Platypus to be long in the middle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Jim M.]

Niner Air 9 is at the upper end of your price range, if you're looking 
new: https://ninerbikes.com/products/air-9?variant=32890770784365
I've had one for probably 10 years and it's one of my favorite bikes ever, 
along with my Rivs. Light, nimble, can convert to single speed if you want. 

Otherwise for your price range, I'd look used.

jim m
walnut creek




 


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 11:54:21 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my 
> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was 
> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700 
> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the 
> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have 
> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6 
> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH. 
>
> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was 
> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly 
> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one? 
>
> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 that 
> I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was 
> a little small for me. 
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[kim young]

Hi Michael,

Analog has a write-up on the Unit. (And what a great price!) They are
always worth a browse - they have so many great bikes and ideas and
randomly edifying things about the Melvin’s, etc

I’ve got the surly ecr. It can tackle anything and is very comfortable- but
it is such a tank. If I have to carry it over a stream or a log or
whatever,  it feels like heaving a boat anchor.

Jeff Jones bikes seem so interesting.
I’m curious to try one of those.

And Cjel Mone is building some gorgeously impressive frames out of his
bread truck. I think (?) he is in the old post office in Silver City now.


from kim

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:54 AM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my
> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was
> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700
> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the
> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have
> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6
> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH.
>
> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was
> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly
> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one?
>
> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 that
> I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was
> a little small for me.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

[kim young]

lost your ooomph? Oh my goodness JOE. are you sandbagging ?
I don't get a complete picture, had to zoom way in on those pics.
But your bombadil!!
 It's like wall-e and EVE
i so love it.  bravo!!



On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:17 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Roberta,
>
> I have these on my Bombadil which will apparently never be completed..my
> bike building skills have lost their oomph! These truly terrible
> indoor-at-night pics should give you some sense of rise, reach and room for
> stuff. My tape measure shows me about 2.5cm rise or half of an Alba. That's
> with a slight drop from the clamp, too, these bars sit pretty low if you
> don't put them on a way-tall stem like I did.
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 12:47:50 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> (I deleted last post because of a typo in a link, rendering the link
>> useless.  This is the corrected version.)
>>
>> Does anyone have rise information, especially on how it compares to the
>> Albatross?These bars aren't published on the excellent site
>> whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for the Albas at 50 on the site.
>>
>> I'm thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like there's more
>> room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips than the Albas.  It might
>> even be better because it comes back a little more and I'm expecting the
>> Platypus to be long in the middle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 12:37:14 PM UTC-5, Eric Grim wrote:
>>>
>>> Neat looking bar.  I've transitioned from the Mustache, to the
 Albastache, and now my *San Marcos* wears Albatross bars, all in order
 to get a wider straight section in the front for hand comfort in a forward
 position.  (Always upside down, 'cause I like the classic "path racer"
 look.)  The Losco looks like it has an even wider straight section than the
 Albatross, and only a little rise/fall.  Tempting to try them sometime,
 when I have a few extra bucks (might have to economise on something to find
 room in the budget).  Still trying to find the magic combination of
 varieties of hand position, stem extension, and bar tilt to stave off hand
 numbness.

>>> Limper Grim, Spokane
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[RBW] Re: Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Chris L]

The Surly Karate Monkey is a fun bike.  

I have a 1st generation, that has older style geometry (steeper head angle, 
lower BB) and it's a fun bike for all around riding.  For trails, I would 
prefer the new Karate Monkey, which has more modern MTB geometry (slack 
head angle, long front center).  When I first test rode the earlier gen KM, 
I marveled at how confidence inspiring it was.  The new gen KM inspires 
much more confidence for off-road riding.  

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 1:54:21 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my 
> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was 
> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700 
> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the 
> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have 
> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6 
> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH. 
>
> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was 
> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly 
> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one? 
>
> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 that 
> I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was 
> a little small for me. 
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW's Banana Sax with inside flap for security is available.

[Ash]

I recently got a gray Banana Sax.  When attach it to the saddle though back 
of my thigh hits the bag when I peddle.  Is common?  or maybe it varies 
with the rider's height/seat post length?  After a while it get a bit 
annoying. This bag is great for using in the front.  Looks like it will 
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[RBW] Re: Weird sideways tilt on a brooks professional...any guesses?

[Michael Morrissey]

You might want to pick up some Nite-Ize rubberized bungees to help you hang 
that bike a little bit more delicately. Also you may want to put some 
leather conditioner on the brooks to see if it can be adjusted more 
smoothly. Just some suggestions. Good luck. 

m


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 1:30:29 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> This little problem took me an embarrassingly long time to identify, and 
> it caused a tilt like in your image. There is a shelf little shelf on the 
> side of the part that connects the tension bolt to the rails. The skirt 
> from the tension bolt head is supposed to sit on it. I used some pliers and 
> a pry bar to get it back in position and squeeze it back into shape.
>
> I guess I went over too many big bumps and it slipped off. I noticed my 
> saddle feeling soft and a sore knee/hip on one side after riding. I suspect 
> you've checked for damage, but just mentioning this because it took me a 
> while to notice this.
> [image: 20200522_215507 (2) sm.jpg]
> Paul in AR
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> So I was installing wider tires on my dad's Rambouillet and I noticed his 
>> saddle had a really wonky sideways tilt to it. And then I remembered him 
>> telling me on multiple occasions that one foot would always go numb on him 
>> after a few miles, but I always marked it up to improper saddle height. 
>> That is until now. I'm thinking this is what's causing it. Below's a photo 
>> of what I'm seeing: 
>>
>> [image: 2020-09-18.jpg]
>>
>> It looks worse in real life. Has anyone experienced this? 
>> Most of the bike's life is spent hanging up as you see below, which does 
>> put pressure on the tension bolt of the saddle but is it enough to really 
>> bend the rails that much? 
>>
>> [image: 2020-09-18 (1).jpg]
>>
>> Really just interested in any ideas or if this isn't the first time 
>> someone has seen this, maybe his rump is also just a little crooked! 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Andrew
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Michael Morrissey]

That looks amazing! I forgot to mention I'm in NYC and planning on riding 
in the countryside (Adirondacks/Mohawk Valley).

M


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 3:22:07 PM UTC-4 nus...@gmail.com wrote:

> I picked up a Kona Honzo ST in August. Its definitely not a Riv, but I can 
> attest that it is very fun and will permit more aggressive riding. My Toyo 
> Atlantis can generally handle the same trails with my knees / elbows bent, 
> but the Honzo is faster on them. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-6, Michael Morrissey 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my 
>> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was 
>> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700 
>> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the 
>> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have 
>> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6 
>> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH. 
>>
>> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was 
>> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly 
>> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one? 
>>
>> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 
>> that I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but 
>> was a little small for me. 
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Andrew Nussbaum]

I picked up a Kona Honzo ST in August. Its definitely not a Riv, but I can 
attest that it is very fun and will permit more aggressive riding. My Toyo 
Atlantis can generally handle the same trails with my knees / elbows bent, 
but the Honzo is faster on them. 



On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-6, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my 
> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was 
> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700 
> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the 
> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have 
> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6 
> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH. 
>
> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was 
> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly 
> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one? 
>
> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 that 
> I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was 
> a little small for me. 
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Joel]

I’d like to see the follow ups to this I have been looking for a daytime 
flasher 


On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:07:48 PM UTC-4 Ray wrote:

> You guys are too good! And FAST! This is why I knew posting here would be 
> my best bet.
>
> Steve -- I think you're right. That light looks identical. Thank you for 
> the connection.
>
> Patrick -- That would have been a great idea and you would have been able 
> to count on me to facilitate, but I think given the cost and convenience 
> the Grand Bois light from Jitensha that Steve linked would probably be the 
> better solution. What do you think?
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:07:33 PM UTC-5 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>> This looks just like the Kiley light I bought from Grand Bois in Japan 
>> back in 2017.  Jitensha has it   
>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/GrandBois_batt_taillight.html
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/20 12:55 PM, Ray wrote:
>>
>> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are 
>> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>>
>> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on 
>> the global site: 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>>
>> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that 
>> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most 
>> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light. 
>> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but 
>> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the 
>> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't 
>> always direct the light the way you might want. 
>>
>> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too 
>> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love 
>> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my 
>> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you 
>> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi everyone,

I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my 
Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was 
wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700 
and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the 
creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have 
taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6 
feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH. 

I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was 
thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly 
Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one? 

In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 that 
I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was 
a little small for me. 

What do you think?

Thanks

Michael


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[RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Bleriot

[Brendan Willard in SF]

I'll be passing through SLO in the next few day from SF to LA, then LA to 
SF if someone in either city would like it couriered...

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:52:57 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> That's a great deal, good luck on the sale. Bleriots are great riding 
> bikes, mine has 42mm on it and it is a great ride.
>
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 11:09:57 AM UTC-4, Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks
>>
>> Sorry for the cross post for those of you that read the ibob list as 
>> well. 
>>
>> I bought this bike from Daniel about 2 weeks ago, then shortly after, 
>> someone contacted me about a frame/fork I had asked about months ago, as in 
>> "if you think about selling it, please contact me." Well it happened. So 
>> N+1, N-1 and around we go. And it will stop.  Same price Daniel had it 
>> listed at. Nice riding machine. The big tires are perfect for this bike. 
>> let me know if you would like it, for challenges to emails with google 
>> groups contact me  - spokenhubmg at gmail.com
>> link to CL ad here  
>> https://slo.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-luis-obispo-rivendell-bleriot/7200039201.html
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Ray]

You guys are too good! And FAST! This is why I knew posting here would be 
my best bet.

Steve -- I think you're right. That light looks identical. Thank you for 
the connection.

Patrick -- That would have been a great idea and you would have been able 
to count on me to facilitate, but I think given the cost and convenience 
the Grand Bois light from Jitensha that Steve linked would probably be the 
better solution. What do you think?

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:07:33 PM UTC-5 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> This looks just like the Kiley light I bought from Grand Bois in Japan 
> back in 2017.  Jitensha has it   
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/GrandBois_batt_taillight.html
>
>
> On 9/21/20 12:55 PM, Ray wrote:
>
> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are 
> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>
> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on 
> the global site: 
> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>
> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that 
> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most 
> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light. 
> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but 
> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the 
> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't 
> always direct the light the way you might want. 
>
> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too 
> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love 
> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my 
> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you 
> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>
> -- 
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Bleriot

[Joel]

That's a great deal, good luck on the sale. Bleriots are great riding 
bikes, mine has 42mm on it and it is a great ride.

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 11:09:57 AM UTC-4, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Sorry for the cross post for those of you that read the ibob list as well. 
>
> I bought this bike from Daniel about 2 weeks ago, then shortly after, 
> someone contacted me about a frame/fork I had asked about months ago, as in 
> "if you think about selling it, please contact me." Well it happened. So 
> N+1, N-1 and around we go. And it will stop.  Same price Daniel had it 
> listed at. Nice riding machine. The big tires are perfect for this bike. 
> let me know if you would like it, for challenges to emails with google 
> groups contact me  - spokenhubmg at gmail.com
> link to CL ad here  
> https://slo.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-luis-obispo-rivendell-bleriot/7200039201.html
>
> Mike SLO CA
>

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Re: [RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be interested if there is a cheaper way to get these in the US. Would
shipping in bulk -- say 10 people ordered 2 each -- bring the per-unit
shipping cost down to a manageable level?

The Secula tail lights bolt to rack bosses, too. I find though that lights
attached this way often rotate out of place; I used 2 star washers and
cranked down hard, and my 2 Seculas have stayed in place so far.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:55 AM Ray  wrote:

> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are
> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>
> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on
> the global site:
> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>
> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that
> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most
> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light.
> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but
> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the
> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't
> always direct the light the way you might want.
>
> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too
> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love
> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my
> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you
> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>
> Thanks!
> Ray
>
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[RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Ray]

Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are so 
closely tied, it might be appropriate.

Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on the 
global site: https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html

I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that most 
bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most of 
the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light. I 
know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but I 
also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the 
light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't 
always direct the light the way you might want. 

Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too 
much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love 
to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my 
searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you 
knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?

Thanks!
Ray

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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, all! I'm happy with how it turned out.

I was in such a rush to put it together that I forgot to measure the bb 
drop and the standover height. The bb drop does look large/low, I figured 
without even measuring that if I tried 650b wheels I'd be scraping pedals 
pretty easily, since the frame probably couldn't fit wider than 42-584 or 
so.

I really oughta get myself one of those Rene Herse tire width guagey 
thingies, if they've still got them.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:37:50 AM UTC-4, Andy Beichler wrote:
>
> I love that color.  The bottom bracket looks low.  Had Grant started to 
> use the 80mm of drop then or is it just the angle of the picture?
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:11:47 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, enjoy. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely build, Paul!
>>> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 1998 Rivendell Road
>>>
>>> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
>>> 
>>>
>>> Enjoy the ride!
>>> cheers,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
>>> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom 
>>> Starck-Riv Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many 
>>> other awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. 
>>> Doesn't look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling 
>>> it to Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. 
>>> Maybe tomorrow?
>>>
>>> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
>>> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
>>> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
>>> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>>>
>>> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
>>> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
>>> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
>>> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
>>> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
>>> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
>>> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
>>> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
>>> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
>>> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
>>> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
>>> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
>>> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>>>
>>> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
>>> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
>>> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
>>> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
>>> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>>>
>>> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
>>> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
>>> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
>>> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
>>> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
>>> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
>>> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
>>> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
>>> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
>>> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>>>
>>> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
>>> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
>>> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
>>> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>>>
>>> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
>>> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>>>
>>> Flickr album here:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>>>
>>> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Pair of Schwalbe "Little Big Ben" Tires

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

700x38 in a cool, reddish color. Very lightly used. Came on a bike and were 
removed almostly immediately and replaced with other tires. Wire bead.

$40 shipped in the CONUS.







--Eric Norris
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Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
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[RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[True Golden]

That's a terrific looking vintage Riv Custom!

Good job on the pics with that white background.

Paul in Dallas
who had a blue 1999 Riv Custom built new for me and wishes he had it back.

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[RBW] Re: Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[RichS]

Riv Road bike day! What a great looking pair of classic Rivs. Paul, 
congratulations on your acquisition.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:59:10 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom Starck-Riv 
> Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many other 
> awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. Doesn't 
> look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling it to 
> Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. Maybe 
> tomorrow?
>
> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>
> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>
> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>
> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>
> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>
> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>
> Flickr album here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>
> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Riv literature on All Rounder

[John A. Bennett]

Here's a link to all back issues of the Reader, compiled by a RBW customer. 

http://notfine.com/rivreader/

(Another) John in Portland 

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 7:21:04 AM UTC-7 John in PDX wrote:

> Have taken custodianship of a Rivendell All Rounder outed on iBob 
> recently.  One of the earliest ones, delivered in January 1996, perhaps the 
> earliest based on serial number.  Original owner passed along a lot of 
> paperwork with it, but wondering about early Riv Readers, catalogs or 
> fliers that may have discussed the introduction and details of these models 
> in greater detail.  Also how they may have been equipped by Rivendell if 
> purchased as a complete bike.
>
> Thanks,
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[abraham nussbaum]

It's sweet, but then there are so many sweet products. It's just fun to
have a bike you love!

Abraham
www.abrahamnussbaum.com


On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:17 PM Ash  wrote:

> Da Vinci crank indeed looks like a very high quality product.
>
> On Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 10:23:28 UTC-7 abraham nussbaum wrote:
>
>> Those pictures were straight from da Vinci's website. The three holes are
>> to accommodate the growing legs of stokers. (BTW: da Vinci is great-- they
>> repainted a vintage Serotta for me. I highly recommend them if you live in
>> Denver and need repainting.)
>>
>> Here are pix  from
>>  my own setup. (Sorry, it's
>> not a Riv.)
>>
>> I am using the crankset as a single, but like that it can also work as a
>> double or triple.
>>
>> Happy riding, A
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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[eric swain]

Price drop! $2300 shipped!

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:44:39 PM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:

>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16fE_npofU5Pz_KcFwU1uh8OfxvadUyJ5?usp=sharing
>
> Ok, think I got it. Let me know if this works. Thanks for your patience!
>
> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_7313.JPG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Andy Beichler]

I love that color.  The bottom bracket looks low.  Had Grant started to use 
the 80mm of drop then or is it just the angle of the picture?

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 10:11:47 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> Beautiful, enjoy. 
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Lovely build, Paul!
>> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
>> 
>>
>> 1998 Rivendell Road
>>
>> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
>> 
>>
>> Enjoy the ride!
>> cheers,
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
>> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom Starck-Riv 
>> Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many other 
>> awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. Doesn't 
>> look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling it to 
>> Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. Maybe 
>> tomorrow?
>>
>> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
>> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
>> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
>> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>>
>> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
>> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
>> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
>> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
>> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
>> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
>> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
>> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
>> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
>> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
>> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
>> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
>> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>>
>> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
>> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
>> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
>> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
>> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>>
>> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
>> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
>> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
>> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
>> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
>> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
>> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
>> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
>> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
>> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>>
>> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
>> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
>> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
>> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>>
>> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
>> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>>
>> Flickr album here:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
>>
>> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50365316941_5a20d1cf7d_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50364617503_09c1647a2e_c.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 50365315696_71c9a96177_c.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your lockable commuter thread

[Trevor Bradshaw]

Well said Carl. Well said.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:24 PM tuolumne bikes 
wrote:

>
>> With apologies to anyone that's already seen enough of Herbie on
> Instagram. All that's left of his original life is headset, fork and frame.
> The original equipment was five speed indexed. Now it's solid seven speed
> friction. While I wouldn't ride it to Tibet, this is my most comfortable
> riding and handling bike, and it's been all over, even on tour.
>
> The timing of this thread is great for a reminder that Weds September 23
> is the 2nd Annual Be Kind to Your Beater Bike Day. Fix, clean, upgrade, or
> do a great ride on your most basic bike and post with
> #bekindtoyourbeaterbikeday  This year BKYBBD lines up well with the
> northern California reschedules of Bike to Work Day as Bike to Anywhere Day
> on 9/24. It also could fit in with Adventure Cycling Association's Bike
> Your Park Day and Bike Travel Weekend which are 9/25-9/27.
>
> If the air quality allows, and I can still ride up hills, Herbie will be
> hauling a pizza and thermos of tea to the top of Sonora Pass. Herb will get
> a new Tuolumne 108 sticker as a memento. The idea is to remember that even
> modest bikes can do great things. If we want biking to be more inclusive,
> we need to remember that not everyone can afford the spectacular bikes we
> love so much. Best way to celebrate? Support your local coop or community
> bike shop and their efforts to make biking more available and inviting for
> all.
>
> Thanks, Carl
>
>
>
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[RBW] ISO/WTB: Special Screw for Gilles Berthoud Decaleur

[WheelsOfSteel]

Hi all,

I'm looking to pick up one of these:

https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/892-special-screw-for-gb-d%C3%A9caleur-type-h-%C3%B87-100.html

Please contact me if you have and are looking to sell.

Cheers,
Jeff

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[RBW] WTB: removable faceplate stem 60mm 70mm 80mm 26.0

[ribz]

in search of a removable faceplate stem 60mm / 70mm /  80mm with a 26.0 
clamp. open to quill stems or threadless. let me know if you have one for 
sale. thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird sideways tilt on a brooks professional...any guesses?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey!

I have a leg length discrepancy of about 10-15mm.  Ive tried different 
things but im currently riding a 165mm crank for my shorter leg and a 177mm 
crank for my longer leg (Rene Herse Cranks).  Ive only experimented with 
this on one bike which I ride clipless.  I also always have the saddle 
problem with a tilt or one side of the leather having a much bigger dent 
from the sit bone than the other.   I notice if I ride with the same length 
cranks and flat pedals I always pedal almost mid foot position on the 
longer leg and more ball of foot on the shorter leg.  Which is my bodies 
attempt at correcting the issue.  My discrepancy is in my femur from an 
accident when I was younger. 

-Dan 
New Jeruz

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:39:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What Benz said. I use flat pedals and running shoes and drop the saddle 
> low enough to match my short leg so I don't have any input on fixing the 
> issue. My saddles get sideways and I keep riding!
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:02:45 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
> CA wrote:
>
>> I'm not Joe, and I don't have legs asymmetrical enough to require action; 
>> but I've seen people get fitted with spacers in between shoe and cleat, to 
>> make up length for the shorter leg. Obviously, this will require clipless 
>> pedals and I don't know if your dad rides with them.
>>
>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> This is good info. One of his legs is longer than the other so I could 
>>> see how that could add a tilt to a saddle. Joe, do you have any fit 
>>> suggestions for different length legs? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 1:38:43 PM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 HI,
 Well used Brooks Saddles are never symmetrical and perfectly flat 
 across the top.

 On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:


 I think you're right about improper saddle height, which is leading to 
 the exaggerated tilt to the leather (I don't think it's the rails) and his 
 numb foot. I have a slightly shorter left leg and my saddles get a lesser 
 version of this tilt as well; what I think is happening is your dad is 
 stretching too far to get his right foot on the pedal which is causing 
 both 
 problems. 
 On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:

> So I was installing wider tires on my dad's Rambouillet and I noticed 
> his saddle had a really wonky sideways tilt to it. And then I remembered 
> him telling me on multiple occasions that one foot would always go numb 
> on 
> him after a few miles, but I always marked it up to improper saddle 
> height. 
> That is until now. I'm thinking this is what's causing it. Below's a 
> photo 
> of what I'm seeing: 
>
> [image: 2020-09-18.jpg]
>
> It looks worse in real life. Has anyone experienced this? 
> Most of the bike's life is spent hanging up as you see below, which 
> does put pressure on the tension bolt of the saddle but is it enough to 
> really bend the rails that much? 
>
> [image: 2020-09-18 (1).jpg]
>
> Really just interested in any ideas or if this isn't the first time 
> someone has seen this, maybe his rump is also just a little crooked! 
>
> Cheers, 
> Andrew
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Riv literature on All Rounder

[Yuhan Wu]

May I ask what's the rear hub spacing? 126 or 128.5? Thanks!

John in PDX  于2020年9月19日周六 下午1:51写道：

> Thanks for all the links and info.  Here's a pic of the All Rounder in my
> care.  I'll be re-equipping it with more current components over time.
> Golden Olive is the color.  Very nice original owner who had all
> correspondence and order sheets, etc.   Does anyone know if a serial number
> record has been kept by Rivendell?  This one's serial number ends in 001
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 7:21:04 AM UTC-7, John in PDX wrote:
>>
>> Have taken custodianship of a Rivendell All Rounder outed on iBob
>> recently.  One of the earliest ones, delivered in January 1996, perhaps the
>> earliest based on serial number.  Original owner passed along a lot of
>> paperwork with it, but wondering about early Riv Readers, catalogs or
>> fliers that may have discussed the introduction and details of these models
>> in greater detail.  Also how they may have been equipped by Rivendell if
>> purchased as a complete bike.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird sideways tilt on a brooks professional...any guesses?

[joe]

Definitely have a similar tilt to both my current Brooks b17. One saddle 
actually has a bent rail from a trip over the bars but I really don't 
notice the asymmetry when riding

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:38:43 PM UTC-4 James Valiensi wrote:

> HI,
> Well used Brooks Saddles are never symmetrical and perfectly flat across 
> the top.
>
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>
> I think you're right about improper saddle height, which is leading to the 
> exaggerated tilt to the leather (I don't think it's the rails) and his numb 
> foot. I have a slightly shorter left leg and my saddles get a lesser 
> version of this tilt as well; what I think is happening is your dad is 
> stretching too far to get his right foot on the pedal which is causing both 
> problems. 
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> So I was installing wider tires on my dad's Rambouillet and I noticed his 
>> saddle had a really wonky sideways tilt to it. And then I remembered him 
>> telling me on multiple occasions that one foot would always go numb on him 
>> after a few miles, but I always marked it up to improper saddle height. 
>> That is until now. I'm thinking this is what's causing it. Below's a photo 
>> of what I'm seeing: 
>>
>> [image: 2020-09-18.jpg]
>>
>> It looks worse in real life. Has anyone experienced this? 
>> Most of the bike's life is spent hanging up as you see below, which does 
>> put pressure on the tension bolt of the saddle but is it enough to really 
>> bend the rails that much? 
>>
>> [image: 2020-09-18 (1).jpg]
>>
>> Really just interested in any ideas or if this isn't the first time 
>> someone has seen this, maybe his rump is also just a little crooked! 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Andrew
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Joel]

Beautiful, enjoy. 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Lovely build, Paul!
> Same year and color as my Riv Road:  1998 Rivendell Road 
> 
>
> 1998 Rivendell Road
>
> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
> 
>
> Enjoy the ride!
> cheers,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 11:03:29 AM GMT+10, Paul Brodek <
> pcb@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Took a little while, but I finally landed Ray Foss' '98 Custom Starck-Riv 
> Road frameset. Ray got it from the original owner, but with many other 
> awesome mounts to choose from, Ray never managed to build it up. Doesn't 
> look like Art M., the original owner, rode it much before selling it to 
> Ray. I did manage to build it up, but haven't managed to ride it yet. Maybe 
> tomorrow?
>
> It's only my second Riv, the first was an even earlier '95 Waterford-Riv 
> Road. Bought that one from Peter B. maybe 7-8yrs ago, sold it last 
> year-ish. If I do the math, gaining 3yrs every Riv buy over an 8yr stretch, 
> in about 64yrs I'll have myself a '21! I'm catching up!
>
> I mulled over the build while reeling it in, decided on this first 
> go-round to do a period-correct-ish Riv quasi-tribute, all silver 
> components, nothing insanely current. The frame came with Silver dt 
> shifters, so they had to stay. Very few silver-rimmed wheelsets under my 
> roof, at least ones that are modern-enough to have a 130mm rear OLN. All I 
> had was a clean set of Ultegra tri-color hubs on Mavic Reflex SUP. 'Sup? 
> Then I found a decent amount of Dura-Ace 7x00-series silver stuff, so 
> rder/brakes/cranks/stem are D-A. The top tube is a little on the long side 
> for me, 60.5cm, so the D-A stem is only 90mm. Tried a D-A post, but there's 
> not a lot of post showing, and the bottom of the flutes on the D-A post sat 
> below the lugline, providing a possible water incursion route, so a 
> cut-short Thomson Elite works for now. Been saving the green Brooks B-17 
> Champion standard for something, turns out it was this.
>
> I wanted non-aero brake cable routing, but I'm no longer thrilled with 
> those smaller vintage lever bodies. Then I remembered a pair of Campy 
> C-Record dual-routing levers weresomewhere...and they turned up. 
> Pairing them with the D-A 7800 dual-pivots is a little weird, I'm wishing 
> the caliper spring tension was higher, but it oughta work OK.
>
> It's geared for now with a 38/24 compact double, using a Peter 
> White-sourced TA Zephyr K tripelizer ring, mounted on the inside position. 
> 11-28t 8spd cassette in the rear, so I still get a decent low gear and can 
> use the med-cage D-A rder. The Shimano CX-70 fder sits a little high over 
> the outer ring, can't get it any lower without scraping the top of the 
> chainstay, but it shifts fine in the stand. I didn't have a BBG bashguard 
> small enough to use in the outer position, I'd have to raise the fder even 
> higher for that, so there's a weird BBG spacer thingie there. Coulda just 
> used track chainring bolts, but I guess I was looking for more silvery 
> bling, and an unused outer chainring ledge just looks a little lonely.
>
> The frame's built around 49mm-reach brakes, and the 33mm Soma Supple 
> Vitesse SLs at about 30mm on the narrow Mavic rims are close to max. Pinch 
> point is under the calipers, as it should be on a well-designed 49mm-reach 
> frame, so wider would work OK, but taller would get too tight.
>
> Having never shifted an 8spd cog range in friction mode before, I'm 
> looking forward to a nice ride with a fair amount of cussing.
>
> Flickr album here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQTkD5A
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> [image: 50364618333_7b44b70f2e_c.jpg]
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> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I would be interested, depending on the weekend. Planning to do the Nutmeg 
Nor'Easter in CT the weekend of 10/24 and of course Halloween is blocked 
off for the kiddo. Possibly 10/17 or 10/10? I'll be coming from Brooklyn, 
can meet up wherever. The Seastreak from Highlands is convenient for 
returning to the city. 

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 7:50:07 AM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> I'd be in. I just did part of the the Henry Hudson Trail on Saturday and 
> it was great.
>
> M
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:
>
>>  NYC peeps can pick up the henry hudson trail or the edgar felix bikepath 
>> almost directly from the train stations.  Both are somewhat scenic with 
>> almost no elevation. Sandy Hook is great too but I think the ferry shuts 
>> down at the end of sept.  That said, you can just about ride the HHT to 
>> Sandy Hook.
>>
>>
>> https://www.co.monmouth.nj.us/documents/130/henry_hudson_trail_july_2020_web.pdf
>>
>>
>> https://www.nps.gov/gate/planyourvisit/upload/MUP_Wayside-Map_rev5July2017.pdf
>>
>> www.boblucky.com/Biking/NewJersey/Allaire.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:11:50 PM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I’d be interested, though my weekends are hit or miss. I’m in Fort Lee 
>>> but could drive anywhere. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 It won't be as big or as exciting as our wonderful Eastern ride at 
 Mohonk for Riv's 25th anniversary, but I did notice a large number of New 
 Yorkers, especially from the boroughs.  I know there are a few of us from 
 NJ, and I'm not that far, in Philadelphia.

 I'm trying to learn more routes and was thinking that perhaps someone 
 (Bob E.???) could suggest something in NJ that we could meet at a NJ 
 Transit stop, making it easier for the NY-ers.  If there are more New 
 Yorkers than others, I'm willing to drive to you (as long as there's 
 parking).  I really don't know any routes other than the ones around 
 Philadelphia.

 I can do any Saturday or Sunday in October except for Oct 9 and 10. I'm 
 older and less strong than most of you; I cannot do "Mohonk" hills. 

 Roberta

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Michael Morrissey]

I'd be in. I just did part of the the Henry Hudson Trail on Saturday and it 
was great.

M

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:

>  NYC peeps can pick up the henry hudson trail or the edgar felix bikepath 
> almost directly from the train stations.  Both are somewhat scenic with 
> almost no elevation. Sandy Hook is great too but I think the ferry shuts 
> down at the end of sept.  That said, you can just about ride the HHT to 
> Sandy Hook.
>
>
> https://www.co.monmouth.nj.us/documents/130/henry_hudson_trail_july_2020_web.pdf
>
>
> https://www.nps.gov/gate/planyourvisit/upload/MUP_Wayside-Map_rev5July2017.pdf
>
> www.boblucky.com/Biking/NewJersey/Allaire.htm
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 8:11:50 PM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I’d be interested, though my weekends are hit or miss. I’m in Fort Lee 
>> but could drive anywhere. 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> It won't be as big or as exciting as our wonderful Eastern ride at 
>>> Mohonk for Riv's 25th anniversary, but I did notice a large number of New 
>>> Yorkers, especially from the boroughs.  I know there are a few of us from 
>>> NJ, and I'm not that far, in Philadelphia.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to learn more routes and was thinking that perhaps someone 
>>> (Bob E.???) could suggest something in NJ that we could meet at a NJ 
>>> Transit stop, making it easier for the NY-ers.  If there are more New 
>>> Yorkers than others, I'm willing to drive to you (as long as there's 
>>> parking).  I really don't know any routes other than the ones around 
>>> Philadelphia.
>>>
>>> I can do any Saturday or Sunday in October except for Oct 9 and 10. I'm 
>>> older and less strong than most of you; I cannot do "Mohonk" hills. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>

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