[RBW] Re: Which bottom bracket to get?

[Joe Bernard]

Riv has 107 and 110 in stock. If it fits ok now get the 110 again, if the 
1×-ness of your setup leaves the cranks out too far then 107 should fix you 
up. 



On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:06:05 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> I think Rivendell recommends 110 mm. This one should 
> 
>  
> most likely work (Rivendell carries this normally but it's currently not in 
> stock). It also depends on your crank though and generally the crank 
> manufactor should also be able to provide recommendation. For example, for 
> their Clipper crankset 
> ,
>  
> RBW recommends 113 mm.  
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:42:22 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need a new bottom bracket for my 55cm Appaloosa. I am running a 1x9 
>> drivetrain with a vintage White Industries Sugino crankset and a Wolf-Tooth 
>> chainring.
>>
>> I believe the stock bottom bracket was a 110 mm wide unit. I see 
>> Rivendell sells a 107 Shimano one. Which one is best for me?
>>
>> The bike rides fine as is but the bottom bracket squeaks as if I am 
>> smuggling some chickens down there. I have ridden it hard for about 5 
>> years. 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which bottom bracket to get?

[Kushan]

I think Rivendell recommends 110 mm. This one should 

 
most likely work (Rivendell carries this normally but it's currently not in 
stock). It also depends on your crank though and generally the crank 
manufactor should also be able to provide recommendation. For example, for 
their Clipper crankset 
, 
RBW recommends 113 mm.  

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:42:22 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need a new bottom bracket for my 55cm Appaloosa. I am running a 1x9 
> drivetrain with a vintage White Industries Sugino crankset and a Wolf-Tooth 
> chainring.
>
> I believe the stock bottom bracket was a 110 mm wide unit. I see Rivendell 
> sells a 107 Shimano one. Which one is best for me?
>
> The bike rides fine as is but the bottom bracket squeaks as if I am 
> smuggling some chickens down there. I have ridden it hard for about 5 
> years. 
>
> Thank you!
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sonoma Coast

[Kushan]

Thanks Ben. I have heard a lot about Colman Valley Rd from others but 
decided to play it safe with Bay Hill Road. In hindside, I am glad I did 
given the amount of walking I had to do with the "easy" option I took. 
Regardless, riding in Sonoma just can't be beaten. 

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Hi Kushan,
>
> Welcome! Nice orange Roadini! I have an orange Roadeo :) I did a very 
> similar ride at the start of this year, beginning in Occidental, but 
> instead of the route you linked to, we went up Coleman Valley Rd, which is 
> a very hard but amazing climb. I agree it's beautiful up there!
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi all - 
>>
>> I am new to this group and thought I'd start by posting about a recent 
>> ride.
>>
>> I had some free-time yesterday so decided take my recently acquired Leo 
>> (Roadini), my first Riv, for a venture to Sonoma county. I have wanting to 
>> do a good long ride since I got the bike and the Sonoma Coast route 
>>  designed by a local bike club had the 
>> potential to make my day. 
>>
>> This turned out to be the best day on a bike in a while. It included 
>> redwoods, fog covered green hills, a river, several beaches, and multiple 
>> walks of shame (despite my 28t ring) on remote but ridiculously steep 
>> hills. Some of the single lane roads were so remote that I didn't see 
>> another soul for miles. All the good stuff that fills you with gratefulness 
>> and remind you of how lucky you are to be living a paradise like California 
>> (with 10% state income tax, mind you). 
>>
>> Anyways - enough words, here are some of my favorite pictures 
>> 
>>  from 
>> the ride... 
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Paul touring canti and canti levers

[Eric Marth]

Hi all -- I realize many of us are seeking Paul components and that perhaps 
the group's collective surplus has run out. I'm putting out a request all 
the same. 

Seeking one wheelsworth of touring cantilevers in silver, polished or 
black. 

Seeking canti levers in silver or polished. 

If you can help out please send me a message directly. Thanks a bunch!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Oh wow, Leah!

In theory that *shouldn't* matter, I don't think. It's coaxial wire, so 
there should be minimal electrical impedance (if that were a double strand 
though, definitely no bueno). The wraps around the forks also shouldn't be 
issue (for coaxial or double). The additional resistance from the excess 
copper I'm also guessing is minimal. But again, you should try 
disconnecting the rear light in order to troubleshoot!

But Oh Man, either way, please get someone to cut that wire to somewhat of 
a proper length! It's just asking for trouble and detracts from the 
otherwise great looks! You can always leave it a bit long: this gives you 
leeway for trimming more later, moving to a different bike (unlikely in 
your case i feel :), or changing things around. There is a neat way to deal 
with excess wire by wrapping it around a thin rod (like a screw driver or 
pencil); it will retain the coil shape (especially if you apply a little 
bit of heat while doing it). The coil will act like a little slinky, but 
can be straight out later if desired.

It's funny, other than the bird's nest, the wiring doesn't actually look 
that bad. There is a nice looking grommet going into the fender, everything 
appears coaxial, and you even have the SON coaxial connector! I'd be 
interested in seeing a close up of the wiring around the fork and in the 
fender though!

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:04:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joe is right - tons of wire. They were afraid to cut it/splice it/solder 
> it or whatever the correct term is. There is one guy who will do it 
> (begrudgingly) and I’d have to make an appt with him. So, it’s bunched up 
> and zip-tied near the kickstand bolt. No idea if that affects performance.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Holy cow that's a a lot of wire. Lots of wraps around the fork, then a big 
> bundle behind the bottom bracket. Hey electricity people, would all that 
> length cause current issues going to the lights?*
>
> *I realize this is probably a really dumb question. I'm good for that! 
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> #RivSister Dorothy has it right. Poor Analog has to do what they can 
>> remotely with no frame on the premises. They nail it every time, too. The 
>> shop here in Vegas (I don’t think the young sweetheart mechanic had ever 
>> done dyno before) set it up with the wiring on the non-drive side. 
>> Honestly, if it were that simple of a fix, I’d be delighted. I called that 
>> mechanic and told him about it today; he had his reasons for setting it up 
>> on the “wrong” side - something about looking better in pictures. See? A 
>> sweetheart. 
>>
>> I suppose I never did send a photo of the bike but I’ve sent so many that 
>> I have lost track! Here are a couple of recent shots. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>> Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame 
>> from Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
>>> side its connected on.
>>>
>>> But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside 
>>> vs the other (drive vs nondrive?)
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:

 That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
 https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/

 


 But hey, it might solve it?

 Collin in Sacramento
 On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The 
> drive 
> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell 
> them 
> to flip it. That’s a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
> SON 28!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  
> wrote:
>
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will 
> introduce 
> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c 
> wheel 
> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an 

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Robert Dowtin]

and Thank you for saying! I certainly agree! I don't know that I deserve 
anything so gorgeous!
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:37:14 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> 700x28 RH Chinooks
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:26 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike Robert.  What size wheels and retires are those? 
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:17 PM Robert Dowtin  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: rivroad.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:52:10 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful bike.  

 Sent from ProtonMail for iOS


 On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 3:56 PM, Joe P  wrote:

 Hi everyone, this thread always brings enjoyment. 
 Wanted to share this one of a Sam from the recent batch on a rare 
 cloudy Los Angeles day
 [image: IMG_5684_700px.jpg]

 On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> It's that 'diagatube' that often draws the puzzled looks from curious 
> onlookers.
> [image: DSCN2849.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 4:29:13 AM UTC+9 Adam Leibow wrote:
>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of 
>> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the 
>> mods. i 
>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Holy cow that's a a lot of wire. Lots of wraps around the fork, then a big 
bundle behind the bottom bracket. Hey electricity people, would all that 
length cause current issues going to the lights?*

*I realize this is probably a really dumb question. I'm good for that! 
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> #RivSister Dorothy has it right. Poor Analog has to do what they can 
> remotely with no frame on the premises. They nail it every time, too. The 
> shop here in Vegas (I don’t think the young sweetheart mechanic had ever 
> done dyno before) set it up with the wiring on the non-drive side. 
> Honestly, if it were that simple of a fix, I’d be delighted. I called that 
> mechanic and told him about it today; he had his reasons for setting it up 
> on the “wrong” side - something about looking better in pictures. See? A 
> sweetheart. 
>
> I suppose I never did send a photo of the bike but I’ve sent so many that 
> I have lost track! Here are a couple of recent shots. 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>
> Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame 
> from Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
>> side its connected on.
>>
>> But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside vs 
>> the other (drive vs nondrive?)
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>>
>>> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
>>> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> But hey, it might solve it?
>>>
>>> Collin in Sacramento
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
 backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The 
 drive 
 side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
 to flip it. That’s a start.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

 SON 28!



 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:

 
 Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
 technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
 While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
 less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
 will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
 with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
 wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation 
 and 
 the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 

 The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
 and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and 
 device 
 charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
 have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
 frustrating lack of light.

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[RBW] Which bottom bracket to get?

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi,

I need a new bottom bracket for my 55cm Appaloosa. I am running a 1x9 
drivetrain with a vintage White Industries Sugino crankset and a Wolf-Tooth 
chainring.

I believe the stock bottom bracket was a 110 mm wide unit. I see Rivendell 
sells a 107 Shimano one. Which one is best for me?

The bike rides fine as is but the bottom bracket squeaks as if I am 
smuggling some chickens down there. I have ridden it hard for about 5 
years. 

Thank you!

Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Dorothy C]

Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame from 
Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
> side its connected on.
>
> But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside vs 
> the other (drive vs nondrive?)
>
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
>> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> But hey, it might solve it?
>>
>> Collin in Sacramento
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> SON 28!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
>>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
>>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
>>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
>>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
>>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
>>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and 
>>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>>>
>>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
>>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
>>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
>>> frustrating lack of light.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

EXACTLY. I vote that flipping the wheel is the correct move that fixes 
everything. I believe! 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:45:29 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I don’t care what they say. Schmidt connectors ALWAYS go on the righthand 
> side! That rule is written in stone!
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Sorry, I only say that because I have it setup on the left side on my Joe 
> (or the right side on my Clem) and, while I have had issues noted above, It 
> wasn't because of the hub orientation.
>
> 
>
> Sorry,
> Collin, Bursting bubbles, in Sacramento
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
>> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> But hey, it might solve it?
>>
>> Collin in Sacramento
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> SON 28!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
>>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
>>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
>>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
>>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
>>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
>>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and 
>>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>>>
>>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
>>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
>>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
>>> frustrating lack of light.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
side its connected on.

But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside vs 
the other (drive vs nondrive?)

Ben

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>
> 
>
>
> But hey, it might solve it?
>
> Collin in Sacramento
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and 
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
>> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don’t care what they say. Schmidt connectors ALWAYS go on the righthand side! 
That rule is written in stone!

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> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I only say that because I have it setup on the left side on my Joe (or 
> the right side on my Clem) and, while I have had issues noted above, It 
> wasn't because of the hub orientation.
> 
> 
> Sorry,
> Collin, Bursting bubbles, in Sacramento
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A > > wrote:
>> 
>> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
>> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/ 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But hey, it might solve it?
>> 
>> Collin in Sacramento
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson > wrote:
>>> 
>>> SON 28!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester > wrote:
 
 
 Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
 developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
 fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
 resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce 
 less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a 
 fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, 
 therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the 
 hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
 
 The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
 and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and 
 device charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if 
 you do have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining 
 your frustrating lack of light.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
> 
> 
> 
> But hey, it might solve it?
> 
> Collin in Sacramento
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
>>> SON 28!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
> 
 
 Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
 developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
 fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
 resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce 
 less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a 
 fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, 
 therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the 
 hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
 
 The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
 and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and 
 device charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Collin A]

That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
[image: Capture.PNG]

But hey, it might solve it?

Collin in Sacramento
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
> to flip it. That’s a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> SON 28!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce 
> less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a 
> fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, 
> therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the 
> hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>
> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is backwards. 
The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive side. I can’t 
believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them to flip it. That’s 
a start.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> SON 28!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
>> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
>> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
>> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce less 
>> wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a fattish tire 
>> will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, therefore 
>> producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the hub will be 
>> hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>> 
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels and 
>> situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do have 
>> the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your frustrating 
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[RBW] Platypus frames at Crust - all sizes

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Just an FYI in case anyone missed out the RIv sale. As of this writing, 
Crust seems to have one of each size available.

https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-platypus

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[ericyue...@gmail.com]

For anyone still on the hunt, I just saw some Platypus frames up on the 
Crust site.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:56:14 PM UTC-7 David Person wrote:

> Will, we can be inclusive.  Hope your search is successful.
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:51:35 AM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Sounds like fun. That said, I will need a Rivendell of my own before we 
>> can do an official 805 Riv ride. I'm on the hunt as we speak.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 2:37:03 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Tom--Exciting news!  I hope you live close and get it built for 
>>> rides this weekend.
>>>
>>> Dorothy, Will, Maia, David...
>>>
>>> There is not much that is better than riding with a group of like minded 
>>> Riv people!  I just got back from a ride with wonderful riders in my area.  
>>> Nothing like it!
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:45:28 AM UTC-4 David Person wrote:
>>>
 Dorothy, Will & Maia, maybe we can have a Riv meetup sometime.  My 
 Hillborne and I reside in T.O. 

 On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:25:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:

> My Platy frame is scheduled for delivery later this week!  They are 
> shipping out!
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 54CM Canti Sam Hillborne frame or complete bike

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks so much Matthew, both are close, but not quite what I am after. 

I definitely want canti brakes, and need 54CM (although a 55CM might work)

I also greatly prefer 700C wheels over 650B
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:39:18 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> 55cm, with centerpulls:
>
>
> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/bustins-island-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7304637824.html
>
> 52cm:
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bik/d/lynnwood-rivendell-sam-hillborne-650b/7305470008.html
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:33 PM, 'Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I need a Rivendell to ride with my wife, now that she has a Platypus. 
> Building up her Platy and riding it a bit really made me want a Rivendell 
> of my own again. I owned a Bombadil many years ago and really miss that 
> bike now.
>
> That said, I have settled on wanting a canti Sam Hillborne in 54CM.
>
> Please keep me in mind if you see one pop up. I am in SoCal, between 
> Ventura County and Los Angeles. I am also open to pay to ship a bike or 
> frame if its right for me.
>
> thanks
>
> w
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[David Person]

Will, we can be inclusive.  Hope your search is successful.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:51:35 AM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Sounds like fun. That said, I will need a Rivendell of my own before we 
> can do an official 805 Riv ride. I'm on the hunt as we speak.
>
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 2:37:03 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Tom--Exciting news!  I hope you live close and get it built for rides 
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Dorothy, Will, Maia, David...
>>
>> There is not much that is better than riding with a group of like minded 
>> Riv people!  I just got back from a ride with wonderful riders in my area.  
>> Nothing like it!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:45:28 AM UTC-4 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> Dorothy, Will & Maia, maybe we can have a Riv meetup sometime.  My 
>>> Hillborne and I reside in T.O. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:25:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 My Platy frame is scheduled for delivery later this week!  They are 
 shipping out!

 Tom

>>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 54CM Canti Sam Hillborne frame or complete bike

[Matthew Williams]

55cm, with centerpulls:

https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/bustins-island-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7304637824.html

52cm:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bik/d/lynnwood-rivendell-sam-hillborne-650b/7305470008.html




On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:33 PM, 'Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> I need a Rivendell to ride with my wife, now that she has a Platypus. 
> Building up her Platy and riding it a bit really made me want a Rivendell of 
> my own again. I owned a Bombadil many years ago and really miss that bike now.
> 
> That said, I have settled on wanting a canti Sam Hillborne in 54CM.
> 
> Please keep me in mind if you see one pop up. I am in SoCal, between Ventura 
> County and Los Angeles. I am also open to pay to ship a bike or frame if its 
> right for me.
> 
> thanks
> 
> w
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[RBW] WTB: 54CM Canti Sam Hillborne frame or complete bike

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey folks,

I need a Rivendell to ride with my wife, now that she has a Platypus. 
Building up her Platy and riding it a bit really made me want a Rivendell 
of my own again. I owned a Bombadil many years ago and really miss that 
bike now.

That said, I have settled on wanting a canti Sam Hillborne in 54CM.

Please keep me in mind if you see one pop up. I am in SoCal, between 
Ventura County and Los Angeles. I am also open to pay to ship a bike or 
frame if its right for me.

thanks

w

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Re: [RBW] What draws you to a single speed bike?

[Carla Waugh]

Roberta,
I have two bikes set up as single speed's. My favorite is a 650B with 42 
size tires it also has a Marks rack in front with a Wald basket so its able 
to be my grocery getter and I also ride other places. I have a 700c that I 
haven't used this season setup for road with Phil hubs its fun and fast for 
me. I always have a single speed bike.

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:57:22 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My first full bike build, from scratch age 15 (high summer, December 1970, 
> 90 miles south of the Equator; bought local frame, crank, bb, scavenged and 
> traded rest) had a 50 t cottered crank and 15 t fw for a 90" gear, and no 
> brakes because the frame was a cheap Indian copy of a Raleigh DL-1 frame 
> made for 635 mm bsd wheels, and my rear wheel was (steel, flip flop, 
> Czecho) 700C and the front 24" from my kid brother's bike. I rode it all 
> over the countryside on narrow, winding, really dangerous roads and in 
> downtown traffic without brakes, jamming my right Ked hightop against the 
> (small) front tire. I wore a deep groove laterally across the sole. Finally 
> I got tired of that and installed a flea market coaster brake, which must 
> have been quite worn, or perhaps the high gear was responsible, but it was 
> either on or off. Sold the bike for KS 150/- to finance a ratty early '60s 
> Varsity. How do kids survive?
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 2:46 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>
>> When I was a teenager and before I could afford a ten speed, I rode an 
>> old green Raleigh 3 speed that I stripped down and put ten speed wheels on 
>> with the chain in the center of the 5 speed sprocket. Removing the brakes, 
>> shifters, heavy wheels and all the bits made it rally sporty. Aluminum 
>> wheels made it the nicest bike I had ever owned. It had no breaks so I 
>> would wedge the back of my boot between the rear tire and the seat tube. I 
>> had excellent (in my mind) braking. The guy at the boot store wanted to 
>> know how I wore the U-shaped channel in the heel of my boot. 
>> I rode that bike everywhere and never gave it a second thought. It had a 
>> Brooks saddle. 
>>
>> I currently have an Ibis Scorcher which is by far the best fixed gear 
>> bike I have ever owned. 
>> Once in a while I consider selling it but then I ride it and remember 
>> just how great it works for me. 
>>
>> It currently sports 38mm Rene Herse knobbies. I think it’s close to as 
>> good as it can be. 
>> It looks like it would fit a 44mm tire in the rear but not the front. 
>>
>> I prefer fixed to SS and flip flop wheel has never been flipped beyond 
>> checking the chain length. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam sizing advice

[Howard Hatten]

https://bikeinsights.com/
This might be some help
Goin large on Rivendell bikes has always worked for me. 
Howard
Livonia Mi

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:49:27 PM UTC-4 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Wow, overwhelming amount of responses. Much appreciated all! 
>
> I think that I will definitely need the 55 or 54 (buying used so will 
> depend on what pops up) since I do plan to run upright bars of some kind.
>
> Now just need to find one. This last weekend, there were at least 4x Sams 
> that went up for sale across the country, all orange. Gives me hope I will 
> find one soon.
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I should’ve mentioned the Bleriot  is the older Rivendell geometry so 
>> it’s more like what would be a 52 cm for the measurements today.  
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 6:41 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> So that means 78.1 cm vs. 79.4.  
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 6:37 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 The standover of my 51cm Sam with 48mm Switchback  Hill tires is about 
 30.75”. My PBH IS 80.6 so I have a bit of room.  Mt 55 cm Bleriot with 
 42mm 
 tires is a bit over 31.25”  and is ok but tight.  The TT on the Bleriot is 
 1cm shorter than the Sam so I use a stem that is 1cm less.  

 Hope this helps.  

 On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:49 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Will,
>
> I'm 5'7" with an 83cm pbh.  I've ridden Sams, but I own a 54.5 AHH and 
> would be less happy on a smaller bike (I'm like Maia--hey, 
> RivSister--bigger is better)  However, the top tube is close!  
>
> Joel in this thread or another suggested getting someone to measure 
> the stand over of Sam.   Like aeroperf, I rode a 51cm Sam and didn't feel 
> it was quite right  for my PBH, which is both his and yours.  One time I 
> was at Riv and threw my leg over an older 55 Sam and it was too tall for 
> me.  Perhaps the new ones are slightly smaller, even with the bigger 
> wheels.
>
> Finally, someone here suggested a favor from the listers here for you 
> to test ride their Sam.  I think that is a good idea.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> This is hilarious and you guys are awesome.
>>
>> my PBH is indeed 83CM if I try to lift myself up off the ground. 
>> nd I just found out I am more like 5' 9 & a 1/4".
>>
>> sounds like I would just qualify for the 54cm Sam which is perfect.
>>
>> w
>>
>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> Will,
>>> I second what Jason said.
>>> I’m 5’ 71/2”. Maybe 5’8” on a good day with a tailwind.
>>> I have a PBH of 83 and ride a 56cm Homer from the time they ran 650B.
>>> I’m running Hetres and am quite comfortable with ‘space’ and fit.
>>> Best.
>>>
>>> David
>>> Buffalo, NY 
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 9:05 PM, J L  wrote:
>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> I expect you are going to get many of the same responses so i’ll 
>>> keep mine brief.
>>>
>>> 1) The PBH listings are guidelines. 82pbh should be fine on that 
>>> bike.
>>> 2) Call Riv HQ and talk to them about your size concerns they are 
>>> great to talk to.
>>> 3) We are all built different and yet 82cm PBH at 5’11” seems quite 
>>> short in the legs. I suspect you have under measured. Measure again and 
>>> keep pulling up as if you are going to lift yourself off the ground. I 
>>> expect you will find another CM or two of PBH has been there all along. 
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jason
>>> SFCA
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 5:42 PM, 'Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I am 5'11" on a good day. My PBH is 82CM. 
>>>
>>> I really want a Sam but am not overly enthusiastic about running 
>>> 650B wheels and tires. Would really prefer 700C. I have lots of parts 
>>> on 
>>> hand and all of it is 700C.
>>>
>>> The challenge is that the 54cm Sam they sell these days requires 
>>> minimum PBH of 83CM, if I go down to a 51cm Sam, they take 650B wheels.
>>>
>>> Did Riv ever make a smaller Sam that is compatible with my 82PBH 
>>> that was 700c?
>>>
>>> Is there another model similar to the Sam that fits my requirements?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sounds like fun. That said, I will need a Rivendell of my own before we can 
do an official 805 Riv ride. I'm on the hunt as we speak.


On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 2:37:03 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Tom--Exciting news!  I hope you live close and get it built for rides 
> this weekend.
>
> Dorothy, Will, Maia, David...
>
> There is not much that is better than riding with a group of like minded 
> Riv people!  I just got back from a ride with wonderful riders in my area.  
> Nothing like it!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:45:28 AM UTC-4 David Person wrote:
>
>> Dorothy, Will & Maia, maybe we can have a Riv meetup sometime.  My 
>> Hillborne and I reside in T.O. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:25:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> My Platy frame is scheduled for delivery later this week!  They are 
>>> shipping out!
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Sam sizing advice

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow, overwhelming amount of responses. Much appreciated all! 

I think that I will definitely need the 55 or 54 (buying used so will 
depend on what pops up) since I do plan to run upright bars of some kind.

Now just need to find one. This last weekend, there were at least 4x Sams 
that went up for sale across the country, all orange. Gives me hope I will 
find one soon.

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I should’ve mentioned the Bleriot  is the older Rivendell geometry so it’s 
> more like what would be a 52 cm for the measurements today.  
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 6:41 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> So that means 78.1 cm vs. 79.4.  
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 6:37 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> The standover of my 51cm Sam with 48mm Switchback  Hill tires is about 
>>> 30.75”. My PBH IS 80.6 so I have a bit of room.  Mt 55 cm Bleriot with 42mm 
>>> tires is a bit over 31.25”  and is ok but tight.  The TT on the Bleriot is 
>>> 1cm shorter than the Sam so I use a stem that is 1cm less.  
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.  
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 5:49 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 Will,

 I'm 5'7" with an 83cm pbh.  I've ridden Sams, but I own a 54.5 AHH and 
 would be less happy on a smaller bike (I'm like Maia--hey, 
 RivSister--bigger is better)  However, the top tube is close!  

 Joel in this thread or another suggested getting someone to measure the 
 stand over of Sam.   Like aeroperf, I rode a 51cm Sam and didn't feel it 
 was quite right  for my PBH, which is both his and yours.  One time I was 
 at Riv and threw my leg over an older 55 Sam and it was too tall for me.  
 Perhaps the new ones are slightly smaller, even with the bigger wheels.

 Finally, someone here suggested a favor from the listers here for you 
 to test ride their Sam.  I think that is a good idea.

 Roberta

 On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> This is hilarious and you guys are awesome.
>
> my PBH is indeed 83CM if I try to lift myself up off the ground. 
> nd I just found out I am more like 5' 9 & a 1/4".
>
> sounds like I would just qualify for the 54cm Sam which is perfect.
>
> w
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 6:15:08 PM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:
>
>> Will,
>> I second what Jason said.
>> I’m 5’ 71/2”. Maybe 5’8” on a good day with a tailwind.
>> I have a PBH of 83 and ride a 56cm Homer from the time they ran 650B.
>> I’m running Hetres and am quite comfortable with ‘space’ and fit.
>> Best.
>>
>> David
>> Buffalo, NY 
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 9:05 PM, J L  wrote:
>>
>> Will,
>>
>> I expect you are going to get many of the same responses so i’ll keep 
>> mine brief.
>>
>> 1) The PBH listings are guidelines. 82pbh should be fine on that bike.
>> 2) Call Riv HQ and talk to them about your size concerns they are 
>> great to talk to.
>> 3) We are all built different and yet 82cm PBH at 5’11” seems quite 
>> short in the legs. I suspect you have under measured. Measure again and 
>> keep pulling up as if you are going to lift yourself off the ground. I 
>> expect you will find another CM or two of PBH has been there all along. 
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jason
>> SFCA
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 5:42 PM, 'Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I am 5'11" on a good day. My PBH is 82CM. 
>>
>> I really want a Sam but am not overly enthusiastic about running 650B 
>> wheels and tires. Would really prefer 700C. I have lots of parts on hand 
>> and all of it is 700C.
>>
>> The challenge is that the 54cm Sam they sell these days requires 
>> minimum PBH of 83CM, if I go down to a 51cm Sam, they take 650B wheels.
>>
>> Did Riv ever make a smaller Sam that is compatible with my 82PBH that 
>> was 700c?
>>
>> Is there another model similar to the Sam that fits my requirements?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Re-Introduction

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice to meet you, Dave - I've been hanging around here for years but 
haven't been posting much since 2019 or so. I will say I'm jealous of your 
LBS though - I love those guys and once managed to squeeze in a visit and 
ride with them (not an easy feat when you live in NYC)! Anyway, they've got 
great energy and give off great vibes. Nice looking Sam, btw - and you're 
in good hands should you need help with it 'cause the GS and Cub House crew 
know what's what in the world and have a healthy respect for all things Riv 
...

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 11:42:45 PM UTC-4 Dave in Los Angeles wrote:

> [image: tempImagestGBod.bmp]
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:15:38 PM UTC-7 Dave in Los Angeles wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been on here since '09, but don't post much. Though I'm a pretty 
>> consistent lurker. I was on BOB too, but that info seems to be gone. (Did 
>> nobody save the old forum data? Is that even a thing?)
>>
>> I work about a block from Golden Saddle Cyclery and love being so close 
>> to the world they've helped build in Los Angeles. A 100 years ago I worked 
>> at Wheelworks Belmont where I really lived/breathed bikes. Now I mess 
>> around in the garage and ride when I can. 
>>
>> Just sold my Quickbeam frame/fork and picked up a Sam, but I'm still not 
>> decided on the direction to go with it just yet. What bigger decision is 
>> there? I'll probably throw up some parts for sale and see where that gets 
>> me. Maybe I'll sell the fixed Paul wheels and go to a 1x11...
>>
>> My wife rides an '89 B-Stone MB-1 that I futz with occasionally for 
>> yucks. I'm now on the lookout for a bi-plane forked MB-1 to do a parts 
>> swap. 
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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