Re: [RBW] Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Based on my experience, they don’t “break in.” It has nothing to do with the 
bearings.

The notchiness is happening when super strong magnets inside the hub get close 
to metal parts—this is what makes the electricity. As the two approach each 
other, they attract and cause the “notch” feeling. Imagine holding two strong 
magnets and moving them vertically past each other. When the magnets get close 
enough, they’ll try to reach out to the other magnet—that’s what you’re feeling 
when the SON hub gets a little harder to turn.

Here are the internals of a SON hub. You can see the magnets arrayed around the 
inside of the hub shell.



So no, the hub won’t lose the notchiness. It’s built into the design.

P.S. It’s always a good idea to tell this to the bike shop if you take in a SON 
hub or wheel. Some mechanics will think that the notchiness is in the bearings 
(it isn’t) and will try to “help” by adjusting them (they can’t, and it will 
void the warranty).

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do SON 
> hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra stiff 
> and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
> Leah,
> 
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery as 
> to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those nighttime 
> trails! 
> 
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
> 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I had 
> by a lot. 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com <> wrote:
> Leah:
> 
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Updates FS: Dirt Drop bars + stems

[Eric M Cardella]

Updates of what’s still available. Still $10 off if you bundle bar + stem.
Handlebars: 
> 
> Soma Portola bar (26.0mm x 530mm end to end) - Very Good, tape residue and 
> brake lever marks - $40 or $30 with stem purchase
> 
> Original Salsa Woodchipper bar 7075-T6 AL version (31.8mm x 46cm at the 
> hoods) - Good-Very Good, minimal wear - $25 or $15 with stem purchase
> 
> Salsa Woodchipper 2 bar 7050-T7 AL version (31.8mm x 46cm at the hoods) - 
> Good-Very Good, decals starting to fade away behind stem clamp area, includes 
> blue Lizard Skins tape but not the brake levers or barcon shifters in photos 
> - $30 or $20 with stem purchase
> 
> Stems:
> 
> Specialized Dirt Drop quill (26.0mm x 100mm, short insert) - Fair-Good, 
> matches the vintage RM-2 bar nicely - $25
> 
> Thomson Elite X2 threadless (10deg x 31.8mm x 90mm) - Good, some abrasion on 
> underside - $40
> 
> Salsa Guide threadless (7deg x 31.8mm x 110mm) - Very Good - $20
> 
> Soma Shotwell threadless (7deg x 31.8mm x 110mm) - Good, some marks on 
> underside - $20
> 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

I changed my mind, the whole schlamozzle needs to go back to Analog. The 
hub isn't right, the headlight isn't right, and you're going to have the 
shop detach the headlght from hub and bike anyway. I say have them send the 
whole wheel and light back so James or Candice can test both and see what's 
up. I realize this will be an unpopular opinion! 😬

Joe Bernard
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:23:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh bother! Yeah, as someone else said I think that light needs to go back. 
> Regardless of noise and notchiness at the dyno it's apparently sending 
> current, the headlight just isn't getting it. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight 
>> works. I wanted so badly for this to be the solution…
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff 
>> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to 
>> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me 
>> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
>> switch is in. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
>>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose 
>>> connecter.
>>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
 Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
 now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
 wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
 all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
 lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
 daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 

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 On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
 few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
 those 
 have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
 notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
 those wear in.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
 Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
 extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 

 Joe Bernard

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
> those 
> nighttime trails! 
>
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
> persumably the mechanics will have it in there ni

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Oh bother! Yeah, as someone else said I think that light needs to go back. 
Regardless of noise and notchiness at the dyno it's apparently sending 
current, the headlight just isn't getting it. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight works. 
> I wanted so badly for this to be the solution…
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff 
> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to 
> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me 
> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
> switch is in. 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose 
>> connecter.
>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
 nighttime trails! 

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
> I had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jay Lonner]

I was wondering the same, but if the switch were off I don't think the tail
light would come on either.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:12 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff
> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to
> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me
> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the
> switch is in.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop,
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but
>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose
>> connecter.
>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things:
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
 nighttime trails!

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one
> I had by a lot.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight works. I 
wanted so badly for this to be the solution…

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff just 
> in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to say 
> it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me you 
> have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the switch 
> is in. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but at 
>> least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
>>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
 Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
 now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
 wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
 all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
 lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
 daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
 
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
> those have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think 
> the notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t 
> think those wear in.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>> Leah,
>>> 
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
>>> those nighttime trails! 
>>> 
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 
 
 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
> Leah:
> 
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff just 
in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to say 
it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me you 
have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
switch is in. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>
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>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
>>> nighttime trails! 
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 


 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Ask Peter if he would warranty the light and replace it.
He replaced a light for me when the bracket broke. He is the #1 distributer
in the USA

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:43 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop,
> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub
> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but
> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things:
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>>> nighttime trails!
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one
 I had by a lot.


 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com
 wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, too. 
Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub is on the 
drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but at least the 
light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I now 
>> wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect wiring 
>> other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said all the 
>> connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got lights. I 
>> saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad daylight I 
>> thought I could still detect the headlight. 
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>> 
 On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few 
>>> revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>> 
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
 SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
 stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
> Leah,
> 
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
> those nighttime trails! 
> 
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>> had by a lot. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>> Leah:
>>> 
>>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
>
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>
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
> those wear in.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>> nighttime trails!
>>
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I
>>> had by a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Leah:

 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[rltilley]

I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few 
revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those have 
that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the notchiness is 
part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think those wear in.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>> Leah,
>> 
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
>> as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those nighttime 
>> trails! 
>> 
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
>> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
>> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
>> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>>> had by a lot. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
 Leah:
 
 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Collin A]

Leah,

I (and Ben) would really recommend trying the dynamo system 1. without any
lights to see how the hib rolls and 2. without the rear light to isolate
any wiring issues.

I've had my SON hub for more than a year now and it was never as notchy or
dragy as yours (unless there was a short of the connections). I just spun
mine without too much force and it spun for about 35 seconds while the
light was connected.

Collin, isolate and solve, in Sacramento

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:54 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Eric: Yours is very quiet! But do I detect the tiniest sound? It sounds
> like my hub only mine was much louder. How long have this SON been in your
> employ?
>
> Joe: Good points, all. My SON only really has a few months of wear. The
> video I sent above was from December when I first thought the hub sounded
> and felt odd.
>
> I picked up my Platy today and it does seem that the light is more
> responsive and the wheel is quieter when spun. The drive train noise is
> gone. I’m taking the bike out with my two sons (my SON with my sons! 🤣)
> and doing a night ride after dinner. I’ll have my teenager on my Clem so
> I’ll be able to compare the dyno lights between my two bikes. The mechanic
> said he also switched the tire. Or something. Something about topping off
> the sealant because of this switching, and also something about matching up
> the tread. I don’t know. I rode the bike in the parking lot and the lights
> worked and it wasn’t making off-putting noises, so I skipped my way out to
> my vehicle.
>
> We are heading out soon…I’ll report back. Thanks, everyone!
> L
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>> nighttime trails!
>>
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I
>>> had by a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Leah:

 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Eric: Yours is very quiet! But do I detect the tiniest sound? It sounds like my 
hub only mine was much louder. How long have this SON been in your employ?

Joe: Good points, all. My SON only really has a few months of wear. The video I 
sent above was from December when I first thought the hub sounded and felt odd. 

I picked up my Platy today and it does seem that the light is more responsive 
and the wheel is quieter when spun. The drive train noise is gone. I’m taking 
the bike out with my two sons (my SON with my sons! 🤣) and doing a night ride 
after dinner. I’ll have my teenager on my Clem so I’ll be able to compare the 
dyno lights between my two bikes. The mechanic said he also switched the tire. 
Or something. Something about topping off the sealant because of this 
switching, and also something about matching up the tread. I don’t know. I rode 
the bike in the parking lot and the lights worked and it wasn’t making 
off-putting noises, so I skipped my way out to my vehicle. 

We are heading out soon…I’ll report back. Thanks, everyone!
L

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>> Leah,
>> 
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
>> as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those nighttime 
>> trails! 
>> 
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
>> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
>> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
>> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>>> had by a lot. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
 Leah:
 
 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
> as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
> nighttime trails! 
>
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>> had by a lot. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Leah:
>>>
>>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: Riv/Nitto Filet FacePlater 135mm length, 25.4mm clamp ($80+ship)

[Nikko in Oakland]

Hey y'all, 

This stem is too tall for my hunq's head tube, so it's on the chopping 
block. Some little weird scuffs that I can't explain from the previous 
owner. I tried to use degreaser to get 'em off but they must be something 
else. Shown in the photos. Save you some $ on sold out item! 

Images here 
Rivendell Site: Nitto Filet FacePlater 25.4mm 


Nikko in Oakland who going through lots of parts to put my hunq in it's 
final form 

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[RBW] Re: Downsizing a Clem

[Ben Miller]

Good stuff! Thanks for sharing Marty!

Cool perspective on the process of dialing in a bike. And I love VO Crazy 
Bars, so that's always a treat :)

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:23:03 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> This popped up out of nowhere and I thought it was worth a read. I don't 
> think I had seen it here, so apologies if it has been posted before. My own 
> 59 Clem H is nearly complete - will do a dial in ride tomorrow.  Pics to 
> follow next week as I'll be out of town for a few days. 
>
> https://behindthebluemotel.com/2019/07/clem-smith-jr-try-number-two/
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sonoma Coast

[Ben Miller]

Kushan,

Also, if you aren't aware, there is a separate Bay Area Riv group 
. Usually posts 
about local gatherings or meetups, but it's been pretty quiet during the 
pandemic. Hopefully things will pick up as we put this all in the rearview.

Ben
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 12:29:38 PM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> Welcome to the list! Super nice looking ride - I HAVE to get back to Nor 
> Cal! :-P
>
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi all - 
>>
>> I am new to this group and thought I'd start by posting about a recent 
>> ride.
>>
>> I had some free-time yesterday so decided take my recently acquired Leo 
>> (Roadini), my first Riv, for a venture to Sonoma county. I have wanting to 
>> do a good long ride since I got the bike and the Sonoma Coast route 
>>  designed by a local bike club had the 
>> potential to make my day. 
>>
>> This turned out to be the best day on a bike in a while. It included 
>> redwoods, fog covered green hills, a river, several beaches, and multiple 
>> walks of shame (despite my 28t ring) on remote but ridiculously steep 
>> hills. Some of the single lane roads were so remote that I didn't see 
>> another soul for miles. All the good stuff that fills you with gratefulness 
>> and remind you of how lucky you are to be living a paradise like California 
>> (with 10% state income tax, mind you). 
>>
>> Anyways - enough words, here are some of my favorite pictures 
>> 
>>  from 
>> the ride... 
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Leah,

I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
nighttime trails! 

As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
> had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
had by a lot. 


On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

[Robert Dowtin]

This is all very interesting. We got 3+" of rain today or I'd be out
verifying instead of typing to you all on my cell phone from my garage...
Yeah the fork feels crazy supple, first impressions were as flexi as the
Crust canti Lighting bolt fork. Anyhow, I think it's marvelous and can't
wait to put it thru the paces. Hopefully I'll get out for a proper ride
tomorrow but this fork is as spoke and nimble with 700x28s as the LB with
650x48s, at least initial impressions.
~R

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 16:39 Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Frankly I've never noticed or given much thought to the flex of the fork
> on the 1999. The bike is relatively comfortable even with 23s at 80/90 psi.
>
> The 2003 Curt, sold, was almost identical in design, but never felt as
> "fast" -- which is why I eventually replaced it with the new Matthews.
>
> The cloned Matthews feels more nimble with 28 mm Elk Passes than with 42
> mm Naches Passes.
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:13 AM Paul Clifton 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> Rob mentioned to me the compliance of the fork on his Road custom. How
>> does the fork on your '99 compare to the others, especially the Mathews,
>> since you said mentioned the tires evening things out. Would a smaller tire
>> reduce pneumatic trail? I'll have to draw myself a picture. Is the
>> compliance of the fork blades similar?
>>
>> Paul in AR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Naturally I didn't actually answer the question pertaining to the video. 
That sounds normal based on my memory of doing the same hand-spin on my SON 
hub. It was kind of alarming, but seemed to work fine out on the road. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:44:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is pretty vague "don't have them anymore" memory so grab that grain 
> of salt and hope for more current real-world responses:
>
> My Dahon had some kinda generic-from-China dyno and it was sorta notchty. 
> My Cheviot had a Shimano dyno which was similar. My Atlantis (built and 
> bought from Analog) had a Schmidt SON and it was notchier than those two. 
>
> In my opinion if it rolls ok and the light is bright and the notchy noise 
> is there but not like WOW that's loud, I think you're good to go. Spinning 
> it by hand won't tell you much, they all feel notchy and don't spin long 
> compared to regular hubs, it's the 'on the ground rolling' that matters. 
> But let's hear what Peter White thinks! 
>
> Joe "sounds like he knows what he's talking about but the jury is out on 
> that" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:18:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light 
>> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic 
>> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and 
>> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one 
>> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when 
>> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think 
>> this is what he means. See below.
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine 
>> in the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to 
>> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my 
>> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Patrick Moore]

Wrong wiring: I mixed up ground and power wires.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> In the few cases I've felt "notchiness" it has been because the wiring to
> the light/s was wrong. Forget exactly how, but fixing the wiring solved the
> problem.
>
> IIRC, wrong wiring also caused a "stuttering" sound in one case.
>
> FWIW.
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:18 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
>> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
>> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
>> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
>> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
>> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
>> this is what he means. See below.
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine
>> in the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
>> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
>> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>>
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>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The
>> first was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke
>> flanges were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted
>> steel center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood
>> hubs. That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd)
>> version was smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available
>> polished and black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This
>> version could have the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the
>> core with a special tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only
>> be positioned on the right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew.
>> This is the only version that must only have the connectors on the right
>> side. The third version, the current version, can have the connectors
>> on either side, unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's
>> orientation is dictated by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>>
>> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> SON 28!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>>
>>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>>> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This is pretty vague "don't have them anymore" memory so grab that grain of 
salt and hope for more current real-world responses:

My Dahon had some kinda generic-from-China dyno and it was sorta notchty. 
My Cheviot had a Shimano dyno which was similar. My Atlantis (built and 
bought from Analog) had a Schmidt SON and it was notchier than those two. 

In my opinion if it rolls ok and the light is bright and the notchy noise 
is there but not like WOW that's loud, I think you're good to go. Spinning 
it by hand won't tell you much, they all feel notchy and don't spin long 
compared to regular hubs, it's the 'on the ground rolling' that matters. 
But let's hear what Peter White thinks! 

Joe "sounds like he knows what he's talking about but the jury is out on 
that" Bernard

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:18:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light 
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic 
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and 
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one 
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when 
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think 
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in 
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to 
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my 
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Patrick Moore]

In the few cases I've felt "notchiness" it has been because the wiring to
the light/s was wrong. Forget exactly how, but fixing the wiring solved the
problem.

IIRC, wrong wiring also caused a "stuttering" sound in one case.

FWIW.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:18 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>
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>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
> was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
> were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
> center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
> That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
> smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
> black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
> the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
> tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
> right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
> version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
> version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
> unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
> by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>
> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>> frustrating lack of light.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

[Patrick Moore]

Frankly I've never noticed or given much thought to the flex of the fork on
the 1999. The bike is relatively comfortable even with 23s at 80/90 psi.

The 2003 Curt, sold, was almost identical in design, but never felt as
"fast" -- which is why I eventually replaced it with the new Matthews.

The cloned Matthews feels more nimble with 28 mm Elk Passes than with 42 mm
Naches Passes.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:13 AM Paul Clifton 
wrote:

> Patrick,
> Rob mentioned to me the compliance of the fork on his Road custom. How
> does the fork on your '99 compare to the others, especially the Mathews,
> since you said mentioned the tires evening things out. Would a smaller tire
> reduce pneumatic trail? I'll have to draw myself a picture. Is the
> compliance of the fork blades similar?
>
> Paul in AR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Make sure that your quick release is tight. And the axle is firmly in the
drop outs. On both sides.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
> was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
> were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
> center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
> That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
> smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
> black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
> the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
> tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
> right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
> version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
> version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
> unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
> by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>
> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>> frustrating lack of light.
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[RBW] Downsizing a Clem

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

This popped up out of nowhere and I thought it was worth a read. I don't 
think I had seen it here, so apologies if it has been posted before. My own 
59 Clem H is nearly complete - will do a dial in ride tomorrow.  Pics to 
follow next week as I'll be out of town for a few days. 

https://behindthebluemotel.com/2019/07/clem-smith-jr-try-number-two/

Marty

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Nick Payne]

The AT with a 127mm BB is going to have pretty much the same with at the 
pedal eyes as, for example, an XD with a 107mm BB. The reason for that is 
that the XD arms bow out about 10mm each from BB end to pedal end, whereas 
the AT don't bow out at all. The only possible problem with the AT might be 
if you ride considerably toes-out, in which case you might have a problem 
with your heels brushing the cranks on each revolution.

Nick

On Monday, 26 April 2021 at 8:41:04 am UTC+10 Joe M. wrote:

> Crank length 170mm. The AT's are really nice. I'm afraid that going with 
> that wide of a BB may not feel right. Can you folks with experience with 
> the AT shed some light on this? I'm 5'10 with a PBH of 85. I imagine if I 
> was taller I may not notice the wide Q. I don't have experience with 
> anything that wide.

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Re: [RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

[Bruce Herbitter]

I’m also a fan of earlier Riv ride and handling. I have a ‘95 Waterford made 
pre production sample for the road. It has lovely French curve forks of 531 
while the frame is 753. Quick Waterford steering geometry and slack seat tube 
and long chain stay comfy Riv ride.  It’s still my main bike.

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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
> 
> 
> Patrick,
> Rob mentioned to me the compliance of the fork on his Road custom. How does 
> the fork on your '99 compare to the others, especially the Mathews, since you 
> said mentioned the tires evening things out. Would a smaller tire reduce 
> pneumatic trail? I'll have to draw myself a picture. Is the compliance of the 
> fork blades similar?
> 
> Paul in AR
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:56:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Robert: Lovely bike, well set up. Please post further posts about your 
>> riding experiences. 
>> 
>> Those early/earlier Rivendell road bikes seemed to have a magic combination 
>> of straightline stability and cornering agility and, from what I read, 
>> subsequent models exhibit the same qualities. In addition to 3 Riv customs, 
>> I also owned a first-gen Sam and a 2nd-gen Ram. Both were notable for that 
>> elusive mix of safe sedateness and eager turn-in (tho' I found the Sam too 
>> vague on steep uphills with weight in the rear). 
>> 
>> My 1999 Joe was a weird custom. My first Riv Road custom, early 1995m was a 
>> 26" wheel frame built by Waterford around the original Rivendell All Rounde, 
>> long story, but with angles tightened (for moral uplift) and road tubing and 
>> crown and lugs; frame tout 753 with 531 fork IIRC. It was nice. Nice as it 
>> was, the 1999 Joe Starck was a noticeable improvement; and it came about 
>> like this. My brother gave me a fixed-conversion Schwinn Tempo in 1997, and 
>> I so fell in love with fixed drivetrains that I talked to Grant about a 
>> fixed custom after the manner of the 1995 Riv/Waterford custom. He said, in 
>> effect, "Well, I guess you know what you want", and the result was the 
>> purposely stripped 1999 gofast also built for 26" wheels but with much 
>> longer chainstays (44.5 vs 42.5), and slacker head (72 vs 73, IIRC) to 
>> compensate for the lighter (compared to 700C) 26X 22 mm and 32 mm wheels. As 
>> nice as the 1995 was, the 1999 showed a very distinct in handling: as quick 
>> to turn as you could want, but without even the vestigial twitch of the 1995 
>> when was shod with 559 X 22 mm Specialized 26 X 1 Turbos. I rode it for over 
>> 15 years with 571/650C Grands Prix and Pro Race 22 mm tires until Rene Herse 
>> put their 28 mm 26" Elk Pass on the market.
>> 
>> The 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road custom was a derailleur version of the 1999 
>> Joe, and the 2020 Chauncey Matthews is an idiosyncratic adjustment of the 
>> Curt for less stout tubing, more-or-less integrated fenders and racks, and 
>> accomodation for the shifting bits for a Sturmey Archer medium ratio "club" 
>> 3 speed AM hub.)
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:32 PM Robert Dowtin  wrote:
>>> I have excitedly waited all week to add to this wonderful thread. Thank 
>>> you, Patrick. So Last week I was fortunate enough to pick up nearly an 
>>> identical frame as yours. We believed initially that it was a Road Standard 
>>> that was Waterford made. I was very wrong. It's a Joe Starck w/ Joe Bell 
>>> paint, serial#JS0499 apparently made in February. I finished putting her 
>>> all together and I am not sure what else I can say that you all haven't 
>>> already. Just an amazing bike. I never could have imagined...and the Phil 
>>> Wood hubs...yeah. Speechless. So obviously I happen to be damn close in 
>>> size to whomever had this beauty made originally, it is absolutely 
>>> perfectly my size. Here's a couple of pics I shot today when I got back 
>>> from her maiden voyage. Thanks to everyone that helped out getting this and 
>>> the Quickbeam put together so quickly..
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:38:16 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I've asked myself that, since I've also felt similar if not equal 
> qualities with other bikes. For the ease of rolling/maintaining a gear, I 
> can't say that it is "planing" only because at least 1 of these bikes was 
> rather stout-tubed; another uses thinwall but OS tubing, and I had 1 
> lightweight 531 racing bike that didn't feel the same way. It's not 
> weight, since the other 2 nice rolling bikes were quite heavy. It's not 
> geometry only because the 2003 Curt was almost identical to the '99 Joe, 
> and the 2 other nice rolling bikes (2015 Matthews RBFD and Herse) 
> had/have very different geometry. Ditto for postion, as all my bikes 
> except the Monocog are set up much the same.  
> 
> I don't know! But the experience reliably repeats -- with the 1999, since 
> April 1999 -- so it's not all in my head. 
> 
> The feel of the 1999 is a combination of qu

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sonoma Coast

[Kieran J]

Welcome to the list! Super nice looking ride - I HAVE to get back to Nor 
Cal! :-P

Kieran
Victoria, BC


On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I am new to this group and thought I'd start by posting about a recent 
> ride.
>
> I had some free-time yesterday so decided take my recently acquired Leo 
> (Roadini), my first Riv, for a venture to Sonoma county. I have wanting to 
> do a good long ride since I got the bike and the Sonoma Coast route 
>  designed by a local bike club had the 
> potential to make my day. 
>
> This turned out to be the best day on a bike in a while. It included 
> redwoods, fog covered green hills, a river, several beaches, and multiple 
> walks of shame (despite my 28t ring) on remote but ridiculously steep 
> hills. Some of the single lane roads were so remote that I didn't see 
> another soul for miles. All the good stuff that fills you with gratefulness 
> and remind you of how lucky you are to be living a paradise like California 
> (with 10% state income tax, mind you). 
>
> Anyways - enough words, here are some of my favorite pictures 
> 
>  from 
> the ride... 
>
> Best
> Kushan
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[RBW] Re: Which bottom bracket to get?

[David Person]

I had to learn from trial and error what Nick pointed out above.  a 107mm 
BB was just a bit too short on the drive side for my bike, so I bought a 
110mm only to find out the extra 3mm was on the non-drive side of the 
spindle.  Had to buy a 113mm, which added 3mm to the drive side spindle vs 
the 110mm.  At the time I did not have any luck finding 1.5mm BB spacers to 
split the difference on the 110mm to make it work.


On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 10:42:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You're right. I always forget that. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:28:05 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, the 107 and 110 will give the same chainline - the extra 3mm is 
>> all on the non-drive side.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which bottom bracket to get?

[Joe Bernard]

You're right. I always forget that. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:28:05 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> AFAIK, the 107 and 110 will give the same chainline - the extra 3mm is all 
> on the non-drive side.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: WItTB: Wide range double crankset

[Matthew P]

I've been going through this with a Toyo Atlantis with curved chainstays, 
which "get wider sooner" (closer to the BB) than straight chainstays.
That requires a wider BB/-spindle unless there is a straight section on the 
chainstays before the curve, as on my ~'84 StumpJumper.

I am also pretty convinced that, all else equal, a double requires a wider 
BB/-spindle than a triple because the smallest/innermost ring on the triple 
is smaller than that on the double, hence, it can fit it closer. You save Q 
factor (FWIW) with a double in that there are only 2 rings instead of the 
triple's 3. Stating the obvious JIC.
This "innermost ring" effect is the same thing as the 1x issue of the 
bigger the ring, the wider out it needs to go.

So, can that triple really not fit? If not, the solution to this problem is 
not a double; that will just require an even wider BB/-spindle.
Note: VO and RH doubles can only go down to about 28t I think, which won't 
fit into a smaller hole than your 24t.
And you can't just put a smaller inner ring on your triple. I guess 22t 
would be the smallest possible.

I'm a little stumped and wish I could get my eyes and hands on it. But you 
could try a spacer on the drive side but it does put that side out wider.
Another option: shave the bottom-inside of your crank arms to clear your 
chainstays. There is a Bicycle Quarterly article about this.

Or find a double crankset that accommodates a tiny (24t or less) inner ring 
- white industries? - get as wide a BB/-spindle as you need, but your feet 
won't be as wide as with a triple.

Is it possible you're threading in the drive side too far and the NDS not 
enough? There seems to be some "wiggle room" with BBs in this sense. There 
isn't an alignment for dead center. Group, is it ok to play with that? Is 
this not what a spacer does.
Oh, and does 68 mm vs. 73 mm BB come into play here?

Crank arm bow is new to me; makes sense; glad to pick that up in this 
thread.

-Matthew P
fiddling with the BB on the Toyo Atlantis for way too long, but 
intermittently. i'm really just lagging
oddly its those curves that i like so much. all love requires work :)
in San Diego, CA ( Kumeyaay ) 

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:26:12 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> I also ran a AT triple with a UN72 127mm bb. I don't recall needing a 
> spacer as it was on my '83 Stumpjumper that had excellent ring clearance, 
> no bowed stays. It was perfectly centered. The tread width was still very 
> low compared to anything "modern". I still have it around so maybe later 
> I'll measure it uninstalled, a hand press as Ray did. In riding the extra 
> length spindle made no difference to me. In a blind test I would not be 
> able to tell a difference. Years later I'm riding a 170mm tread width 
> triple and even that makes no difference to me. 
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 7:59:14 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> I just measured the Sugino AT on a 127mm spindle. I get 153mm without 
>> cinching the bolts down. This is just a hand press fit with a gentle tap to 
>> make sure they are on straight. 
>> Since you want a wide range double, I’m assuming you plan on using the 
>> inner ring. 
>> By eliminating the inner ring and running a compact double that would 
>> allow running a narrower Q
>>
>> I don’t think most modern cranks will improve on that for you. 
>>
>> Hope that helps 
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:
>>
>>> Ok thanks for everyone's input this is helpful. I'll look into making 
>>> these work. 
>>>
>>> But if anyone does have a wide range double they'd part with, I'd still 
>>> be interested in possibly purchasing it.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:09:55 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Bob; It all comes down to arm flare. I got 160 mm Q with a Sugino XD2 
 and 113 mm spindle; I got a 160 mm Q with a TA Pro 5 Vis and a custom 145 
 mm spindle.

 On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 5:02 PM Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> I am not expert enough to explain where the differences come from, but 
> different cranks use different bb spindle lengths to get the same 
> configuration.  The Sugino AT's just happen to use a relatively long 
> spindle but once installed they clear the chainstays exactly as they 
> should.  That said, being a triple, the Q factor is going to be more than 
> a 
> double.



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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You deserve it, enjoy.  I ran 700 x28’s on mine when I hade it.  It was a 
great bike, as I am sure yours is.  
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:40:19 PM UTC-4 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> and Thank you for saying! I certainly agree! I don't know that I deserve 
> anything so gorgeous!
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:37:14 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> 700x28 RH Chinooks
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:26 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful bike Robert.  What size wheels and retires are those? 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:17 PM Robert Dowtin  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: rivroad.jpg]



 On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:52:10 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Beautiful bike.  
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 3:56 PM, Joe P  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, this thread always brings enjoyment. 
> Wanted to share this one of a Sam from the recent batch on a rare 
> cloudy Los Angeles day
> [image: IMG_5684_700px.jpg]
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> It's that 'diagatube' that often draws the puzzled looks from curious 
>> onlookers.
>> [image: DSCN2849.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 4:29:13 AM UTC+9 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of 
>>> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the 
>>> mods. i 
>>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick,
Rob mentioned to me the compliance of the fork on his Road custom. How does 
the fork on your '99 compare to the others, especially the Mathews, since 
you said mentioned the tires evening things out. Would a smaller tire 
reduce pneumatic trail? I'll have to draw myself a picture. Is the 
compliance of the fork blades similar?

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:56:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: Lovely bike, well set up. Please post further posts about your 
> riding experiences. 
>
> Those early/earlier Rivendell road bikes seemed to have a magic 
> combination of straightline stability and cornering agility and, from what 
> I read, subsequent models exhibit the same qualities. In addition to 3 Riv 
> customs, I also owned a first-gen Sam and a 2nd-gen Ram. Both were notable 
> for that elusive mix of safe sedateness and eager turn-in (tho' I found the 
> Sam too vague on steep uphills with weight in the rear). 
>
> My 1999 Joe was a weird custom. My first Riv Road custom, early 1995m was 
> a 26" wheel frame built by Waterford around the original Rivendell All 
> Rounde, long story, but with angles tightened (for moral uplift) and road 
> tubing and crown and lugs; frame tout 753 with 531 fork IIRC. It was nice. 
> Nice as it was, the 1999 Joe Starck was a noticeable improvement; and it 
> came about like this. My brother gave me a fixed-conversion Schwinn Tempo 
> in 1997, and I so fell in love with fixed drivetrains that I talked to 
> Grant about a fixed custom after the manner of the 1995 Riv/Waterford 
> custom. He said, in effect, "Well, I guess you know what you want", and the 
> result was the purposely stripped 1999 gofast also built for 26" wheels but 
> with much longer chainstays (44.5 vs 42.5), and slacker head (72 vs 73, 
> IIRC) to compensate for the lighter (compared to 700C) 26X 22 mm and 32 mm 
> wheels. As nice as the 1995 was, the 1999 showed a very distinct in 
> handling: as quick to turn as you could want, but without even the 
> vestigial twitch of the 1995 when was shod with 559 X 22 mm Specialized 26 
> X 1 Turbos. I rode it for over 15 years with 571/650C Grands Prix and Pro 
> Race 22 mm tires until Rene Herse put their 28 mm 26" Elk Pass on the 
> market.
>
> The 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road custom was a derailleur version of the 
> 1999 Joe, and the 2020 Chauncey Matthews is an idiosyncratic adjustment of 
> the Curt for less stout tubing, more-or-less integrated fenders and racks, 
> and accomodation for the shifting bits for a Sturmey Archer medium ratio 
> "club" 3 speed AM hub.)
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:32 PM Robert Dowtin  wrote:
>
>> I have excitedly waited all week to add to this wonderful thread. Thank 
>> you, Patrick. So Last week I was fortunate enough to pick up nearly an 
>> identical frame as yours. We believed initially that it was a Road Standard 
>> that was Waterford made. I was very wrong. It's a Joe Starck w/ Joe Bell 
>> paint, serial#JS0499 apparently made in February. I finished putting her 
>> all together and I am not sure what else I can say that you all haven't 
>> already. Just an amazing bike. I never could have imagined...and the Phil 
>> Wood hubs...yeah. Speechless. So obviously I happen to be damn close in 
>> size to whomever had this beauty made originally, it is absolutely 
>> perfectly my size. Here's a couple of pics I shot today when I got back 
>> from her maiden voyage. Thanks to everyone that helped out getting this and 
>> the Quickbeam put together so quickly.[image: rivroad2.jpg][image: 
>> rivroad3.jpg].
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:38:16 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've asked myself that, since I've also felt similar if not equal 
>>> qualities with other bikes. For the ease of rolling/maintaining a gear, I 
>>> can't say that it is "planing" only because at least 1 of these bikes was 
>>> rather stout-tubed; another uses thinwall but OS tubing, and I had 1 
>>> lightweight 531 racing bike that didn't feel the same way. It's not weight, 
>>> since the other 2 nice rolling bikes were quite heavy. It's not geometry 
>>> only because the 2003 Curt was almost identical to the '99 Joe, and the 2 
>>> other nice rolling bikes (2015 Matthews RBFD and Herse) had/have very 
>>> different geometry. Ditto for postion, as all my bikes except the Monocog 
>>> are set up much the same.  
>>>
>>> I don't know! But the experience reliably repeats -- with the 1999, 
>>> since April 1999 -- so it's not all in my head. 
>>>
>>> The feel of the 1999 is a combination of quick acceleration, easy 
>>> rolling (easy to turn over a gear), and nimble handling. 
>>>
>>> The Matthews 2015 RBFD and 2020 RBFR come close in the way they roll; in 
>>> fact I'd say that the RBFD is at least as good if not slightly better in 
>>> ease of maintaining a gear, but of course does not accelerate as fast or 
>>> turn as nimbly; the newer Matthews comes closer in acceleration, is not 
>>> quite as easy in maintai

Re: [RBW] Re: Rides near the street where you live / attraction of single speeds / Monocog's continuing apotheosis.

[Patrick Moore]

Things will look much prettier in a few weeks, that is if we ever get a bit
of rain. Green, such as even we get, is a bit late this year because of
cold and drought.

Yes, I'm lucky -- we don't even have many mosquitos or flies or ticks, tho'
mosquitos do come from near river at full summer twilight.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:50 AM RichS  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Some nice dirt trails you have in your neighborhood. Thanks for the
> pictures. I would agree on rewarding rides one can come up with close to
> home. I'm seven miles from downtown Atlanta but there is a plethora of wide
> neighborhood streets that offer rides that can combine paths and light
> traffic. Example: one is a 21 mile loop with 1500 ft. of climbing. More
> distance and elevation is always possible!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:41:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Phone calls starting 7:30 this AM and continued for almost 5 hours, so I
>> played hooky from resumes and took an afternoon ride on the newly upgraded
>> Monocog. In fact, my ride was not mere crass pleasure, it had a serious,
>> earnest purpose -- I had to find a way to get to Hertz without driving or
>> using a car service -- must pick up rental van on Mon.
>>
>> I found a way to get to the shopping center, one of those horrible
>> sprawls 1 mile N-S and 1/2 mile E-W, with hectares of parking off of a very
>> heavily traveled 6 lane adjacent to another very heavily traveled 6 lane
>> and to other semi-urban/sub-urban multi-lane traffic feeders. This involved
>> back ways along acequia ditches and under said arterials, onto nice
>> neighborhood tucked away against said 6-lane intersection, to strategic
>> traffic light that lets me cross street on bike and jump to safety on
>> sidewalk.
>>
>> No matter. I turned the excursion into a meandering detour on this early
>> spring day, rain threatening, drought established, winds blowing. I took
>> the photos in that part of the Rio Grande Valley State Park adjacent to my
>> house, within 3 mile radius (park is perhaps 1/4 mile from my door).
>>
>> Again, early spring, clouds, rain falsely threatening, blustery, mid 70s;
>> bosque just starting to turn green. River surprisingly full after months of
>> 2' depths and sandbars; "they" apparently released a great deal of water
>> upstream.
>>
>> Monocog continues to delight. 65" gear is just right for this riding: low
>> enough that with 175 mm cranks and 70 mm tires I can stand and torque thru
>> all but the deepest sand; high enough that with tailwind, as outbound
>> today, or on pavement I'm not flailing despairingly to maintain a decent
>> speed.
>>
>> Road BB7s replaced the very cheap indeed OEM Tektro disc calipers, and
>> with the AX levers I get decent braking with careful adjustment of pads.
>> *And* pads aren't even bedded in, *and* I forgot to use compressionless
>> housing. Are BB7s excellent? No. What are they, then? They are perfectly
>> adequate. Adequately easy to install and adjust, adequately strong with
>> modest hand pressure; adequately easy to keep from rubbing; certainly
>> better than any centerpull I've used, and I've used many (tho all bolt on).
>>
>> I really should have used non-aero levers, but the only n-a's I have have
>> clamps that don't let you tightend down much beyond 23.8mm. You can torque
>> down the Shimano 600 AX levers for a tight grip on 22.2 bars.
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sonoma Coast

[RichS]

Kushan,

Welcome to the group and congratulations on acquiring your first Riv. 
Thanks for posting the report and pics. What a spectacular route. You list 
members in NorCal have it going on in scenic and challenging rides:-)

Best, 
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:02:35 AM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Thanks Ben. I have heard a lot about Colman Valley Rd from others but 
> decided to play it safe with Bay Hill Road. In hindside, I am glad I did 
> given the amount of walking I had to do with the "easy" option I took. 
> Regardless, riding in Sonoma just can't be beaten. 
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Hi Kushan,
>>
>> Welcome! Nice orange Roadini! I have an orange Roadeo :) I did a very 
>> similar ride at the start of this year, beginning in Occidental, but 
>> instead of the route you linked to, we went up Coleman Valley Rd, which is 
>> a very hard but amazing climb. I agree it's beautiful up there!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - 
>>>
>>> I am new to this group and thought I'd start by posting about a recent 
>>> ride.
>>>
>>> I had some free-time yesterday so decided take my recently acquired Leo 
>>> (Roadini), my first Riv, for a venture to Sonoma county. I have wanting to 
>>> do a good long ride since I got the bike and the Sonoma Coast route 
>>>  designed by a local bike club had 
>>> the potential to make my day. 
>>>
>>> This turned out to be the best day on a bike in a while. It included 
>>> redwoods, fog covered green hills, a river, several beaches, and multiple 
>>> walks of shame (despite my 28t ring) on remote but ridiculously steep 
>>> hills. Some of the single lane roads were so remote that I didn't see 
>>> another soul for miles. All the good stuff that fills you with gratefulness 
>>> and remind you of how lucky you are to be living a paradise like California 
>>> (with 10% state income tax, mind you). 
>>>
>>> Anyways - enough words, here are some of my favorite pictures 
>>> 
>>>  from 
>>> the ride... 
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Kushan
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rides near the street where you live / attraction of single speeds / Monocog's continuing apotheosis.

[RichS]

Patrick,

Some nice dirt trails you have in your neighborhood. Thanks for the 
pictures. I would agree on rewarding rides one can come up with close to 
home. I'm seven miles from downtown Atlanta but there is a plethora of wide 
neighborhood streets that offer rides that can combine paths and light 
traffic. Example: one is a 21 mile loop with 1500 ft. of climbing. More 
distance and elevation is always possible!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:41:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Phone calls starting 7:30 this AM and continued for almost 5 hours, so I 
> played hooky from resumes and took an afternoon ride on the newly upgraded 
> Monocog. In fact, my ride was not mere crass pleasure, it had a serious, 
> earnest purpose -- I had to find a way to get to Hertz without driving or 
> using a car service -- must pick up rental van on Mon.
>
> I found a way to get to the shopping center, one of those horrible sprawls 
> 1 mile N-S and 1/2 mile E-W, with hectares of parking off of a very heavily 
> traveled 6 lane adjacent to another very heavily traveled 6 lane and to 
> other semi-urban/sub-urban multi-lane traffic feeders. This involved back 
> ways along acequia ditches and under said arterials, onto nice neighborhood 
> tucked away against said 6-lane intersection, to strategic traffic light 
> that lets me cross street on bike and jump to safety on sidewalk.
>
> No matter. I turned the excursion into a meandering detour on this early 
> spring day, rain threatening, drought established, winds blowing. I took 
> the photos in that part of the Rio Grande Valley State Park adjacent to my 
> house, within 3 mile radius (park is perhaps 1/4 mile from my door). 
>
> Again, early spring, clouds, rain falsely threatening, blustery, mid 70s; 
> bosque just starting to turn green. River surprisingly full after months of 
> 2' depths and sandbars; "they" apparently released a great deal of water 
> upstream.
>
> Monocog continues to delight. 65" gear is just right for this riding: low 
> enough that with 175 mm cranks and 70 mm tires I can stand and torque thru 
> all but the deepest sand; high enough that with tailwind, as outbound 
> today, or on pavement I'm not flailing despairingly to maintain a decent 
> speed. 
>
> Road BB7s replaced the very cheap indeed OEM Tektro disc calipers, and 
> with the AX levers I get decent braking with careful adjustment of pads. 
> *And* pads aren't even bedded in, *and* I forgot to use compressionless 
> housing. Are BB7s excellent? No. What are they, then? They are perfectly 
> adequate. Adequately easy to install and adjust, adequately strong with 
> modest hand pressure; adequately easy to keep from rubbing; certainly 
> better than any centerpull I've used, and I've used many (tho all bolt on). 
>
> I really should have used non-aero levers, but the only n-a's I have have 
> clamps that don't let you tightend down much beyond 23.8mm. You can torque 
> down the Shimano 600 AX levers for a tight grip on 22.2 bars.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[RichS]

Robert,

Congratulations! Your Riv custom is a stellar bike. Always a pleasure to 
see these classic Riv road bikes posted. 
I'm sure you'll enjoy many memorable rides on it.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 10:40:19 PM UTC-4 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> and Thank you for saying! I certainly agree! I don't know that I deserve 
> anything so gorgeous!
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:37:14 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> 700x28 RH Chinooks
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:26 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful bike Robert.  What size wheels and retires are those? 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:17 PM Robert Dowtin  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: rivroad.jpg]



 On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 9:52:10 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Beautiful bike.  
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 3:56 PM, Joe P  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, this thread always brings enjoyment. 
> Wanted to share this one of a Sam from the recent batch on a rare 
> cloudy Los Angeles day
> [image: IMG_5684_700px.jpg]
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> It's that 'diagatube' that often draws the puzzled looks from curious 
>> onlookers.
>> [image: DSCN2849.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 4:29:13 AM UTC+9 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of 
>>> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the 
>>> mods. i 
>>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Silver Sackville Banana Sax

[Carla Waugh]

Sold

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:41:59 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Very interested, sent a message. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:53:38 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>
>> This bag has been lightly used. 95.00 if you live somewhere near 
>> Oklahoma. Otherwise a small shipping amount.
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[RBW] Re: FS Silver Sackville Banana Sax

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Very interested, sent a message. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Peter White]

There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
by the location of the disc brake caliper.

Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
> to flip it. That’s a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> SON 28!
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically
> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works
> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling
> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce
> less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a
> fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel,
> therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the
> hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>
> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
> frustrating lack of light.
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[RBW] Re: Which bottom bracket to get?

[Nick Payne]

AFAIK, the 107 and 110 will give the same chainline - the extra 3mm is all 
on the non-drive side.

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