Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Jason Fuller]

Cheers Addison!  Yeah, I get the feeling at least certain sizes and colors 
will go quick, with maybe the less popular (or less 
already-picked-over-by-dealers) permutations lasting a little longer - but 
probably hours to maybe days, rather than minutes.  

Looks like the Montreal dealer has orange ones in-stock and available right 
now, and hey I suppose there's always a chance that if Riv themselves sell 
out, there'll still be the odd frame here and there at dealers (like 
happened with the Platy).  But if you're ready to buy when they hit the 
web, I am sure you'll get it.  



On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 21:25:39 UTC-7 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm really curious to see how fast this batch sells. All of the excitement 
> sure seems to suggest that they're going to be gone in a flash! I'm so 
> plagued by anxiety of missing out on stuff I can hardly bear to shop online 
> for things anymore, though I've missed out on the Sim Works Bubbly pedals 
> every time they've popped up and I can't seem to stop crawling back to 
> them. 
> Oh Jason, you (and everyone else) can call me Addison; I'd assumed my name 
> displayed in the thread, but maybe I need to change a setting or something. 
> This will be my first Riv and will be rounding out my quiver quite nicely. 
> Nothing I have right now will clear such a monstrous tire and I can't 
> imagine I'll ever want to go on a ride that it can't handle, so between it 
> and my two other main squeezes I might be able to resist buying (and 
> keeping) another bike for some time. 
> All the best, 
> -Addison
> *Aspiring Appalooser *
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:57:28 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Crust has another complete Appaloosa for sale, this one's 57cm. I'm not 
>> into the way this is set up but it's my size :) 
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/products/57cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-complete
>>
>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 9:26:31 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I had a Sam / Joe combo at one point. The bikes were too similar to 
>>> warrant keeping both (both 62 double TT, both had a 62.5 effective top 
>>> tube). They are more differentiated now that the Joe grew a bit longer. So 
>>> I replaced the Sam with a Roadini, and I just picked up a new Appaloosa. 
>>> Orange. Love the mermaid but I'm a sucker for orange. It is obviously 
>>> faster too. You aren't kidding about the "everywhere but Riv" comment. I've 
>>> been waiting for them to come in and happened to pull up Crust's site 
>>> Thursday night when I saw them available. Two days later I received it and 
>>> built it. No pics yet though. I'm preparing for a trip to Vermont this 
>>> week, and I plan on bringing it. I'm pretty close to my dream Riv lineup 
>>> now: Roadini with drops for road riding, Appaloosa with swept back Billies, 
>>> and of course my Mad Max Clem H off-road rig.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 bicyclerepairium (sorry not sure what else to call you by!):  I reckon 
 that, while the Bombadil is an awesome bike and I love how mine rides, the 
 Appaloosa probably has its own strengths and is more comfy / compliant 
 with 
 that long frame!  Undoubtedly if I didn't have the Bombadil, I'd end up 
 with a Sam / Joe combination.  Just both immensely useful bikes, though I 
 could say the same about the Platypus and well, most Rivs.  

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[brendonoid]

Interesting that this topic has come up. I have just put 300kms on some 
Antelope Hills on a 57 Appaloosa. 
When I first put them on I was dismayed at the wheel flop or 'self 
steering'. I thought I had wasted a lot of money and was pretty bitter. I 
have run them consistently at 30psi on road and gravel. I weigh 80kgs.

Don't panic. Once the weird waxy coating on the new rubber wears off, for 
me this was around 150kms in, the weird handling disappears. Seems that the 
tackiness of whatever this residue is imparts strange grip as the tread 
pattern transistions going into a turn.

See how you go.

On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 05:12:29 UTC+8 Chris L wrote:

> I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the same 
> threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  
>
> When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play with 
> pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
>> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
>> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
>> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
>> could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
>> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if 
>> the ride seems too harsh. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
>>> here. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
 Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
 If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
 tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations and 
 even higher self-justifications. 
 On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:

> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>
> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>
> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>
> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
> bike with Repack geometry.  
>
> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure 
> on 
> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>
> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
> experienced self steering at any level.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] All Rounder on ebay

[Joe Bernard]

My first reaction was I SHOULD BUY THAT, then I remembered I have a custom 
and a Susie and this purchase would be silly. My next reaction was "that's 
a nice vintage Riv", which reminds me I've been following this company ever 
since 1994 and am now old enough that there is such a thing as vintage 
Rivs! 

Older Joe Bernard

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 6:12:44 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> At other moments in my life, I’d be checking my bank accounts right after 
> clicking on that link.
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 9:00 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:
>
>> Nicely equipped AR
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/114848850767
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Re: [RBW] All Rounder on ebay

[David Hallerman]

At other moments in my life, I’d be checking my bank accounts right after
clicking on that link.

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> Nicely equipped AR
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/114848850767
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[RBW] All Rounder on ebay

[Steven Sweedler]

Nicely equipped AR
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114848850767

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

[Jay LePree]

Thanks Joel.  I did contact them.  The rep I spoke with said they were at 
the polishers and would not be available for at least 4 weeks.  But you are 
right, they look available on the website.  

Jay

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 8:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Jay, you’ve probably contacted velocity.  Looks like they may have them in 
> stock.  Or try Peter White. 
>
> https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/quill-650b
>
>
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> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM, Jay LePree  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Joel S,
>
>   I don't think Velocity will stop production of rim brake compatible 
> rims.  I am concerned about quick availablity, quick defined as less than 6 
> weeks of rim brake compatible rimes, particularly in the 650B size.  I 
> think the lack of readily available rims is somewhat driven by the rise of 
> the disc brake.  An informal survey of two local shops shows the majority 
> of bikes for sale had discs on them. 
>
> I have been waiting since April for a 650B Velocity Quill rim. My internet 
> search shows more availability of disc brake compatible rims. 
>
> Jay
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:00 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Do you really think Velocity will discontinue rim brake compatible rims? 
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 4:49:39 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I recently sorted my unused rims, which had been thrown on hooks in 
>>> various part of the garage, and was somewhat shocked to find how many 650b 
>>> rims I had waiting to be built into wheels: four Velo-Orange Diagonale, two 
>>> Velocity A23, two A23 OC, two Synergy, two Grand Bois Papillon. Plus about 
>>> the same number each of 26" and 700c rims. Shows what several decades of 
>>> buying rims here and there in anticipation leads to. I even found several 
>>> unused Mavic MA2 and Module 3 rims, which are probably worth a fair bit 
>>> these days - I notice people on fleabay asking several hundred dollars for 
>>> these if new.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

[JRStern11 via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jay, you’ve probably contacted velocity. Looks like they may have them in 
stock. Or try Peter White.

https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/quill-650b

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On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM, Jay LePree  wrote:

> Hi Joel S,
>
> I don't think Velocity will stop production of rim brake compatible rims. I 
> am concerned about quick availablity, quick defined as less than 6 weeks of 
> rim brake compatible rimes, particularly in the 650B size. I think the lack 
> of readily available rims is somewhat driven by the rise of the disc brake. 
> An informal survey of two local shops shows the majority of bikes for sale 
> had discs on them.
>
> I have been waiting since April for a 650B Velocity Quill rim. My internet 
> search shows more availability of disc brake compatible rims.
>
> Jay
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:00 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Do you really think Velocity will discontinue rim brake compatible rims?
>>
>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 4:49:39 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I recently sorted my unused rims, which had been thrown on hooks in various 
>>> part of the garage, and was somewhat shocked to find how many 650b rims I 
>>> had waiting to be built into wheels: four Velo-Orange Diagonale, two 
>>> Velocity A23, two A23 OC, two Synergy, two Grand Bois Papillon. Plus about 
>>> the same number each of 26" and 700c rims. Shows what several decades of 
>>> buying rims here and there in anticipation leads to. I even found several 
>>> unused Mavic MA2 and Module 3 rims, which are probably worth a fair bit 
>>> these days - I notice people on fleabay asking several hundred dollars for 
>>> these if new.
>>>
>>> Nick
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[RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

[Jay LePree]

Hi Joel S,

  I don't think Velocity will stop production of rim brake compatible 
rims.  I am concerned about quick availablity, quick defined as less than 6 
weeks of rim brake compatible rimes, particularly in the 650B size.  I 
think the lack of readily available rims is somewhat driven by the rise of 
the disc brake.  An informal survey of two local shops shows the majority 
of bikes for sale had discs on them. 

I have been waiting since April for a 650B Velocity Quill rim. My internet 
search shows more availability of disc brake compatible rims. 

Jay
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:31:00 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Do you really think Velocity will discontinue rim brake compatible rims? 
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 4:49:39 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I recently sorted my unused rims, which had been thrown on hooks in 
>> various part of the garage, and was somewhat shocked to find how many 650b 
>> rims I had waiting to be built into wheels: four Velo-Orange Diagonale, two 
>> Velocity A23, two A23 OC, two Synergy, two Grand Bois Papillon. Plus about 
>> the same number each of 26" and 700c rims. Shows what several decades of 
>> buying rims here and there in anticipation leads to. I even found several 
>> unused Mavic MA2 and Module 3 rims, which are probably worth a fair bit 
>> these days - I notice people on fleabay asking several hundred dollars for 
>> these if new.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 110/74 Sugino rings and a guard, rad Oakleys

[Joe Bernard]

Rad Oakleys dropped to $50 shipped. 
Make offers if you want one or more of the rings and/or chainguard. 

Joe "we're GIVIN em away!" Bernard

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 50t ring gone, let's do shipped prices for the rest. 
> 24-36-guard and lime/orange Oakleys, $60 each. Shipped! 
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:11:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Blue/pink/purple way-rad shades gone 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Btw if you're one of the rare enlightened ones who know most people ride 
>>> too-long cranks, I have 152mm arms for these, too. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:26:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Ack, I wish I could edit these things. "Rings plus guard as a group."



 On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm selling the 24-36-50 rings as a group, priced as though the 50t is 
> basically free cuz no one wants those things, you'll probably use the 
> guard. Matching ramped and pinned set from an XD600 crank, 24 and 36 used 
> minimally, 50 is new. 
> $50 plus shipping. 
>
> 2 Oakley EV Zero
> Lime/orange "sun fade" perfect, $50+
> Blue/pink/purple has a scratch at top edge of lens, not in line of 
> sight while riding, $35+
>
> Hollaback for more pics and chat and such as,
> Joe Bernard 
> Marin County CA. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Just because you want to share pics from your ride

[dougP]

Now that's a basket.  Take that, Wald.

dougP

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 1:43:47 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Spotted today in a village (Ore) close to my parents house on the SE Coast 
> of England. And yes, the beef was excellent.
>
> [image: PXL_20210612_074310179.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:12:57 PM UTC+1 Philip Barrett wrote:
>
>> En route & back, the now shuttered Longhorn Ballroom, probably best known 
>> as the unlikely place to host the Sex Pistols last live show!
>> [image: PXL_20210530_172445671.jpg]
>> [image: PXL_20210530_172048346.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:11:42 PM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> Scroll on...
>>> [image: PXL_20210530_171124496.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:11:12 PM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>>
 Some more since Google seems to be reluctant to upload too many at the 
 same time...
 [image: PXL_20210530_171134126.jpg]




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Billy Bars

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Nice looking build.
I have 58 boscos and 120 stem.
 The jury is still out on that combo.
Thanks for the pics
Jon

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021, 2:42 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Not sure what view you'd like, so I took 3.
>
> There's more room to put things on before you get to the curve.  Flairs
> out, but doesn't seem too wide.  Has elegant swoop, similar to Albatross
> bar.  I went on another ride today with them and am very pleased.
>
> Let me know if you'd like any other pics.
>
> I originally bought Loscos to put on this bike, which I think would have
> worked out fine, but I think the Billies are nicer looking, so swapped out
> before Riv sold out (and before I saw Je Mar's request for a swap).
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Roberta
>> Could you share a pic of your Billie bar set up please?
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:09 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I just put Billie's on my 55cm Platy with an x-tall 100mm technomic stem
>>> and they are fantastic!!! I highly recommend them.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:
>>>
 Hello, had hoped to trade these for Loscos but my patience only lasted
 about 36 hours before I bought a pair, so the Billys are for sale.  They
 have been mounted but are obviously very clean.  I hope $90 + shipping is
 fair.
 Thx,
 Jeff[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 6.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the same 
threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  

When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play with 
pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Chris,
>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
> could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if the 
> ride seems too harsh. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
>> here. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
>>> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
>>> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
>>> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations and 
>>> even higher self-justifications. 
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
 installed them on my Hunqapillar.  

 The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
 other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   

 Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
 results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
 decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
 patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 

 The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
 bike with Repack geometry.  

 I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
 generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
 the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  

 I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
 experienced self steering at any level.




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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Ray Varella]

Chris,
 You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
>From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if the 
ride seems too harsh. 

Ray

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed here. 
>
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
>> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
>> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
>> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations and 
>> even higher self-justifications. 
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
>>> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>>
>>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>>
>>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
>>> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
>>> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
>>> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>>
>>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
>>> with Repack geometry.  
>>>
>>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
>>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>>
>>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
>>> experienced self steering at any level.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Joe Bernard]

I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed here. 


On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass tires 
> to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations and even 
> higher self-justifications. 
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
>> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>
>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>
>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
>> in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
>> the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
>> be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>
>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
>> with Repack geometry.  
>>
>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>
>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
>> experienced self steering at any level.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Garth]

Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass tires 
to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations and even 
higher self-justifications. 
On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:

> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>
> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>
> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
> in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
> the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
> be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>
> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
> with Repack geometry.  
>
> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>
> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
> experienced self steering at any level.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

[Garth]

In regards to the hub situation. upfront I know nothing of the bike biz 
and how things are made or acquired with retailers and vendors. 

What about Velocity hubs? 
The ATB is a cartridge bearing design with steel freehub body in black. 
Could they do silver for Riv ? 
The Economy ATB is cup/cone design in silver.
Has anyone @Riv ever tested either as to it's quality and suitability ? 
They have spare freehub bodies for the ATB hub.

Velocity told me the ATB hubs were fairly quiet, like Shimano. I myself 
find loud hubs(most designs) to be an insult to . all decency. 

The ATB hubs are made by Formula, deal with them direct ? 
The ATB version is the OV-91 and OV-32s. 
https://www.formulahubs.com/product.php?t=41
The Economy rear looks like a OV-32. The front the road hub called RB-56.
https://www.formulahubs.com/product.php?t=2

I know Riv offered the Silver hubs made by KT briefly. I don't know the 
whats and whys about it being no more. I would've bought one if it had a 
steel FH body(that's just my preference), but they appear to only offer 
aluminum ones. 
On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-4 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Rims aren't an issue, fortunately (though certain models are delayed). Now 
> hubs, that's another question altogether!
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 9:36:22 AM UTC-7 Jay LePree wrote:
>
>> HI all:
>>
>> Still waiting for final build on my Platypus.  The delay is caused by a 
>> shortage of 650B rims for non-disc brakes.  Has anyone thought about stock 
>> piling a pair or so?  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jason LePree
>> Demarest, NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Thanks for the input!

I will definately play around with pressure.  I dropped the pressure again, 
without measuring, and the tire was bottoming out so I checked and it was 
at 20 psi.  I aired it up to 35 psi and rode a little bit and it felt 
better.  I'll try going to max pressure as well and see what happens. 

I was very surprised because after years of reading about the magic of RH 
tires, I was expecting a dreamy ride.  I do recall reading people talking 
about the fatter RH tires having a small sweet spot of pressure  for bounce 
vs cush, but I don't recall discussions of the actual handling.  

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:28:57 AM UTC-5 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> What kind of noise are the tires making? Like a rubber skooching on a 
> slick floor sound? 
> The closest to the Antelope Hill that I've ridden is the Switchback Hill, 
> which is 650b x 48mm. I've had them on three bikes over the years and would 
> regularly pump them up to around 45-50psi once a month and not top off for 
> another month so by the time I remembered to reinflate they would be down 
> to around 20psi. This was in part due to negligence, but was also sort of a 
> running experiment to see how the bike handled at different tire pressures. 
> I didn't keep very good notes during this highly scientific study, but I do 
> remember that by the 3 week mark the bike would dive into turns in a real 
> scary way, perhaps something like you're experiencing with the self-steer. 
> At higher pressures I never felt any handling anomalies, but maybe that's 
> because I tended towards higher pressures. 
> Have you considered bumping up to 50-55 psi? I imagine what you're feeling 
> is that big ol' tire flopping over onto its side, bumping the steering one 
> way or the other. My last Switchback Hill bike had 55mm rims and the think 
> tracked like a freight train with no tire flop at all. 
> Best of luck! 
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 7:48:55 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
>> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>
>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>
>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
>> in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
>> the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
>> be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>
>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
>> with Repack geometry.  
>>
>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>
>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
>> experienced self steering at any level.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Addison Quarles]

What kind of noise are the tires making? Like a rubber skooching on a slick 
floor sound? 
The closest to the Antelope Hill that I've ridden is the Switchback Hill, 
which is 650b x 48mm. I've had them on three bikes over the years and would 
regularly pump them up to around 45-50psi once a month and not top off for 
another month so by the time I remembered to reinflate they would be down 
to around 20psi. This was in part due to negligence, but was also sort of a 
running experiment to see how the bike handled at different tire pressures. 
I didn't keep very good notes during this highly scientific study, but I do 
remember that by the 3 week mark the bike would dive into turns in a real 
scary way, perhaps something like you're experiencing with the self-steer. 
At higher pressures I never felt any handling anomalies, but maybe that's 
because I tended towards higher pressures. 
Have you considered bumping up to 50-55 psi? I imagine what you're feeling 
is that big ol' tire flopping over onto its side, bumping the steering one 
way or the other. My last Switchback Hill bike had 55mm rims and the think 
tracked like a freight train with no tire flop at all. 
Best of luck! 
On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 7:48:55 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>
> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>
> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
> in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
> the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
> be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>
> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
> with Repack geometry.  
>
> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>
> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
> experienced self steering at any level.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
installed them on my Hunqapillar.  

The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything other 
than a straight line, they are LOUD.   

Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
be more "grippy" to help in turns. 

The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
with Repack geometry.  

I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  

I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
experienced self steering at any level.


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[RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

[Rich Lesnik]

Rims aren't an issue, fortunately (though certain models are delayed). Now 
hubs, that's another question altogether!

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 9:36:22 AM UTC-7 Jay LePree wrote:

> HI all:
>
> Still waiting for final build on my Platypus.  The delay is caused by a 
> shortage of 650B rims for non-disc brakes.  Has anyone thought about stock 
> piling a pair or so?  
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Billy Bars

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Could you share a pic of your Billie bar set up please?
Thanks
Jon

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:09 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I just put Billie's on my 55cm Platy with an x-tall 100mm technomic stem
> and they are fantastic!!! I highly recommend them.
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:
>
>> Hello, had hoped to trade these for Loscos but my patience only lasted
>> about 36 hours before I bought a pair, so the Billys are for sale.  They
>> have been mounted but are obviously very clean.  I hope $90 + shipping is
>> fair.
>> Thx,
>> Jeff[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 6.jpg]
>>
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