[RBW] Re: Faceplater failure--anyone else?

[Joe Bernard]

I would start with Riv and see if they can source a new plate, if they can 
find one they're surely going to tell you to buy a torque wrench. I had a 
25.4 Face Plater and I found - as I always do with this design - that it's 
a real bugger to get all 4 bolts snugged down evenly just on feel; get it 
wrong and I expect you would indeed have some slippage with a high-leverage 
bar even if they feel tight. 

Which isn't very comforting information for you now, but hopefully Riv and 
Nitto can get you a plate and you can start over. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 9:35:22 PM UTC-7 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:

> I recently bought a tosco to use with a faceplater stem because the losco 
> I was trying out didn't agree with me.  I like the wider, more flared tosco 
> a lot.  Anyway,  In a test ride of the new setup, the bar was slipping.  I 
> torqued the bolts down, probably too much, because I noticed in doing so 
> that the faceplate now seems to be bent.  In removing the faceplate, one of 
> the bolts sheeted off and is stuck in the stem.  
>
> I can get the bolt out, but I'm not sure what to do with the bent 
> faceplate.  Anyone else have this issue? Anyone know if Riv has 
> replacements? 
>
> For what it's worth, I bought the 31.8 bar and stem because I was worried 
> about slippage.  I'm a big guy and that's lots of leverage, but honestly I 
> expected better from Nitto.
>
>   I replaced the faceplater  with a slightly shorter 2 bolt removable 
> faceplate stem from Velo Orange, which has larger diameter bolts to attach 
> the faceplate, and didn't experience any slipping. However, the VO stem us 
> a little shorter than I'd like, and I really hate to think I'm just out a 
> nice looking stem because of the bent faceplate.
>
>  Brett in PDX 
>

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[RBW] Faceplater failure--anyone else?

[Brett Callahan]

I recently bought a tosco to use with a faceplater stem because the losco I 
was trying out didn't agree with me.  I like the wider, more flared tosco a 
lot.  Anyway,  In a test ride of the new setup, the bar was slipping.  I 
torqued the bolts down, probably too much, because I noticed in doing so 
that the faceplate now seems to be bent.  In removing the faceplate, one of 
the bolts sheeted off and is stuck in the stem.  

I can get the bolt out, but I'm not sure what to do with the bent 
faceplate.  Anyone else have this issue? Anyone know if Riv has 
replacements? 

For what it's worth, I bought the 31.8 bar and stem because I was worried 
about slippage.  I'm a big guy and that's lots of leverage, but honestly I 
expected better from Nitto.

  I replaced the faceplater  with a slightly shorter 2 bolt removable 
faceplate stem from Velo Orange, which has larger diameter bolts to attach 
the faceplate, and didn't experience any slipping. However, the VO stem us 
a little shorter than I'd like, and I really hate to think I'm just out a 
nice looking stem because of the bent faceplate.

 Brett in PDX 

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[RBW] Re: Fun (?) Thought Exercise

[dougP]

I think any Rivendell would do just fine.  OK, maybe a Roadini or a 
Quickbeam would be a stretch.  With the current line-up having longer wheel 
bases & room for large tires, Clem, Susie, Appaloosa & of course the 
classic Atlantis (I'm biased that way) would give you a comfortable ride 
with room for whatever your lightweight bikepacking set up may be.  

Seriously, it looks like lightweight bikepacking gear puts less demand on 
the bike than a full rack & pannier set-up.  I know a guy who toured the 
Pacific Coast on a Homer, with racks'n'bags, and did just fine.  Rackless 
luggage comes in so many configurations there's bound to be some combo 
that'll hold your stuff & be able to strap on any Rivendell frame. 

dougP

On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 11:03:57 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> This one!
> [image: IMG_6440.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Say you were going to ride the TransAmerica Trails (Astoria, OR to 
>> Yorktown, PA - 4,200 miles) with a lightweight bikepacking set up (not a 
>> traditional touring multiple pannier system) which Rivendell would you 
>> chose? Seems like there are a few interesting options.
>>
>> I have some ideas but thought it might be an interesting Sunday musing 
>> for those of us trapped indoors by heat & humidity.
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Quill Stem w/ 31.8 clamp removable faceplate

[Tim Bantham]

Looking for a quill stem for my Appaloosa. 

Need a 31.8 clamp
0 to 30 degree rise
between 80 and 100 mm

Does anybody have one collecting dust in the parts bin?

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[RBW] Re: My Susie build

[Joe Bernard]

Doug: I figured I should look it up and actually know what the heck my 
saddle is called..Vars. It's a vaguely B17 shape but perhaps a smidge 
wider, very nice, very ti rails, very not cheap! 

Aaron: I got all the colorful bits from Analog Cycles. They're big on ano, 
every demo bike they build is littered with the stuff and our own Leah 
"Bicycle Belle Ding Ding" has had them do a bunch of it on two of her Rivs. 
Check out her posts here or on Instagram for much Analog ano goodness! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 8:34:33 AM UTC-7 A. Douglas M. wrote:

>
> I like the anodized bits mixed in with the black components. Where did you 
> source them? 
>
> Modern style for a modern Riv!
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Oh, you answered my question in your post. Nice saddle!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I like it! To my eyes the black, silver, and Rivendell blue look classy 
>>> and suits that style of bike. On another note, I have become a fan of 1x 
>>> for it's practicality and relative simplicity. What saddle is that Joe?
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, GA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:34:35 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This started as a bike with mostly silver parts, then my custom got 
 Paul Motololites so the black v-brakes migrated to the Susie, then I sold 
 the Boscos and Billies were out of stock and I had black stem so I grabbed 
 a black Ahearne bar, then Doug H had a black post for sale and... 
 basically 
 parts kept landing on this frame and I'm not sure the look makes sense but 
 I like it! 

 53cm Susie/Wolbis
 Stock wheels from a Clem, 27.5 x 2.4 Thunder Burts
 SRAM Rival 1 derailer
 Apex trigger (upside-down, left side, my right thumb is dodgy for 
 shifting)
 SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette 
 Connex black/gold chain
 Sugino XD600 152mm cranks with 36t and guard
 XT v-brakes and levers
 FSA headset
 Origin8 31.8 face plater
 Ahearne bars
 Ergon grips
 Nitto S83 post, cerakoted black by Analog Cycles
 Berthoud saddle, ti rails, can't remember name 
 Rose/pink bottle cage bolts, crankbolt cap, valve caps, derailer crimp
 Green chainring bolts, brake crimps

 You really gotta ride one of these. I don't know what an old Repack 
 cruiser rode like, but I'm fairly certain it was kinda like this: it's 
 long, it's floaty! 

 More pics on my Instagram 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CRc34K3lVAl/?utm_medium=copy_link

 Joe "@RideyMcBiker" Bernard






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Re: [RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Interesting discussion! OP here- Let me make my original question / request
more precise:

*What is the difference in speed between when you ride the same ride on a
road bike vs a bike set up in the Rivendell touring style? Ride a pavement
route that favors the road bike, don't draft, wear the style of clothes you
would normally wear on that particular bike, and don't worry about power
output. Rest a day or two, and ride the same route with the other bike and
report the relative difference in speed.*

Our goal is to collect many experiences from many diverse riders so we can
come away with some kind of rule of thumb, for example it could turn out
that: "most people ride a Riv style touring bike at around 75 - 90% of
their speed on a conventional road bike".

There are so many possible reasons for the difference in speed: body
position on the bike, power output, gearing, aerodynamics of clothing and
gear, tires, bike weight, etc. All of these are different in my two bikes.
A typical scientific approach would focus on exactly one of these
differences, and try to hold everything else fixed so that we can
understand the effect of that one difference. Instead, the goal here is to
quantify the cumulative effect of all these differences under real world
riding conditions.

Of course, our bikes won't be exactly set up the same way, and we don't
ride the same way, so our numbers will be different. This is a good thing,
because it shows how people actually ride. For example, my road bike is a
fixed gear, and that certainly has at least some effect.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:30 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I just read the article whose url Nick posted; enlightening! Now at an
> average 30 mph (yes, extreme case to make my point) over 100K/60 miles, a
> single KG would add 48 seconds to the time, and of course, that is more
> than huge in a race's outcome. Heck, extrapolating wildly, an eight of KG,
> a mere 4 oz, would by this calculation add 6 seconds, which in a race is
> more than a big deal. So, for pros, yes, I can see that, *all else equal,* 
> even
> a few oz are important. But for us mere mortals, No Big Deal.
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:52 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, John. Yes, I would really like to see Powermeter comparisons
>> between light and heavy bikes with similar builds, wheels, and tires. Of
>> course, nowadays, at my age, this is far, far less important that I used to
>> imagine it to be back when I was a greenhorn 40-something, and really,
>> nowadays, what makes one bike feel delightful compared to other bikes is
>> merely the fit and "feel" of efficient pedaling, this last due IME to the
>> fit of the bike to the rider, the way the bike positions the rider to the
>> saddle, cranks and bar, the quality of the tires and perhaps of the wheels,
>> and in last place ("last" is deliberate), the quality of the frame tubes,
>> in a way I won't try to describe; only some frames, even heavy, seem to
>> encourage "1 cog smaller".
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 7:15 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *I do not know the specifics,* only what Richard Schwinn stated on the
>>> podcast.  He also stated the weight difference would affect the average
>>> time in a stage type race, due to affecting the velocites (t=d/v).   I
>>> simply assumed, given his background, he knew what he was talking about
>>>
>>> I are suggesting using it to correct for weight and see if the average
>>> velocities are due to a frame/fork/wheel difference or are other factors
>>> affecting the average velocity.   One key point he made was the use of
>>> college athletics to obtain consistent power inputs.   Today, Power Meters
>>> would used to ensure and correct for power differences.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 8:23:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 John: do you know if this weight difference was tested on a flat course
 on one that included hills? Steady state or start and stop? I daresay 12 lb
 would slow acceleration noticeably, but IME, as a very non-pro-level rider
 (No!) weight itself, even 10 lb weight differences, make little average
 speed differences for steady state rolling, tires being more or less equal.
 At least, my 30 1/2 lb Matthews 1:1 with 62 mm EL Big Ones seems to roll as
 fast on the flats -- judging by ease of maintaining cadence in similar
 gears -- as my 18 lb Riv custom with 28 mm EL Elk Passes. (Big Ones are 450
 grams each, Elk Passes are 175 grams each.)


 On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 3:52 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> About 7 years ago on the Opinionated Cyclist podcast (Diana R?),
> Richard Schwinn stated Schwinn did testing with a university to determine
> the speed difference due to frame weight.  The result was a 12 lb increase
> in frame weight 

[RBW] Fun (?) Thought Exercise

[Philip Barrett]

Say you were going to ride the TransAmerica Trails (Astoria, OR to 
Yorktown, PA - 4,200 miles) with a lightweight bikepacking set up (not a 
traditional touring multiple pannier system) which Rivendell would you 
chose? Seems like there are a few interesting options.

I have some ideas but thought it might be an interesting Sunday musing for 
those of us trapped indoors by heat & humidity.

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[RBW] Re: My Susie build

[A. Douglas M.]

I like the anodized bits mixed in with the black components. Where did you 
source them? 

Modern style for a modern Riv!

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 
On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Oh, you answered my question in your post. Nice saddle!
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I like it! To my eyes the black, silver, and Rivendell blue look classy 
>> and suits that style of bike. On another note, I have become a fan of 1x 
>> for it's practicality and relative simplicity. What saddle is that Joe?
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>>
>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:34:35 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This started as a bike with mostly silver parts, then my custom got Paul 
>>> Motololites so the black v-brakes migrated to the Susie, then I sold the 
>>> Boscos and Billies were out of stock and I had black stem so I grabbed a 
>>> black Ahearne bar, then Doug H had a black post for sale and... basically 
>>> parts kept landing on this frame and I'm not sure the look makes sense but 
>>> I like it! 
>>>
>>> 53cm Susie/Wolbis
>>> Stock wheels from a Clem, 27.5 x 2.4 Thunder Burts
>>> SRAM Rival 1 derailer
>>> Apex trigger (upside-down, left side, my right thumb is dodgy for 
>>> shifting)
>>> SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette 
>>> Connex black/gold chain
>>> Sugino XD600 152mm cranks with 36t and guard
>>> XT v-brakes and levers
>>> FSA headset
>>> Origin8 31.8 face plater
>>> Ahearne bars
>>> Ergon grips
>>> Nitto S83 post, cerakoted black by Analog Cycles
>>> Berthoud saddle, ti rails, can't remember name 
>>> Rose/pink bottle cage bolts, crankbolt cap, valve caps, derailer crimp
>>> Green chainring bolts, brake crimps
>>>
>>> You really gotta ride one of these. I don't know what an old Repack 
>>> cruiser rode like, but I'm fairly certain it was kinda like this: it's 
>>> long, it's floaty! 
>>>
>>> More pics on my Instagram 
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CRc34K3lVAl/?utm_medium=copy_link
>>>
>>> Joe "@RideyMcBiker" Bernard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: My Susie build

[Doug H.]

Oh, you answered my question in your post. Nice saddle!
Doug

On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I like it! To my eyes the black, silver, and Rivendell blue look classy 
> and suits that style of bike. On another note, I have become a fan of 1x 
> for it's practicality and relative simplicity. What saddle is that Joe?
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:34:35 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This started as a bike with mostly silver parts, then my custom got Paul 
>> Motololites so the black v-brakes migrated to the Susie, then I sold the 
>> Boscos and Billies were out of stock and I had black stem so I grabbed a 
>> black Ahearne bar, then Doug H had a black post for sale and... basically 
>> parts kept landing on this frame and I'm not sure the look makes sense but 
>> I like it! 
>>
>> 53cm Susie/Wolbis
>> Stock wheels from a Clem, 27.5 x 2.4 Thunder Burts
>> SRAM Rival 1 derailer
>> Apex trigger (upside-down, left side, my right thumb is dodgy for 
>> shifting)
>> SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette 
>> Connex black/gold chain
>> Sugino XD600 152mm cranks with 36t and guard
>> XT v-brakes and levers
>> FSA headset
>> Origin8 31.8 face plater
>> Ahearne bars
>> Ergon grips
>> Nitto S83 post, cerakoted black by Analog Cycles
>> Berthoud saddle, ti rails, can't remember name 
>> Rose/pink bottle cage bolts, crankbolt cap, valve caps, derailer crimp
>> Green chainring bolts, brake crimps
>>
>> You really gotta ride one of these. I don't know what an old Repack 
>> cruiser rode like, but I'm fairly certain it was kinda like this: it's 
>> long, it's floaty! 
>>
>> More pics on my Instagram 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CRc34K3lVAl/?utm_medium=copy_link
>>
>> Joe "@RideyMcBiker" Bernard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Susie build

[Doug H.]

I like it! To my eyes the black, silver, and Rivendell blue look classy and 
suits that style of bike. On another note, I have become a fan of 1x for 
it's practicality and relative simplicity. What saddle is that Joe?
Doug
Athens, GA

On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:34:35 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This started as a bike with mostly silver parts, then my custom got Paul 
> Motololites so the black v-brakes migrated to the Susie, then I sold the 
> Boscos and Billies were out of stock and I had black stem so I grabbed a 
> black Ahearne bar, then Doug H had a black post for sale and... basically 
> parts kept landing on this frame and I'm not sure the look makes sense but 
> I like it! 
>
> 53cm Susie/Wolbis
> Stock wheels from a Clem, 27.5 x 2.4 Thunder Burts
> SRAM Rival 1 derailer
> Apex trigger (upside-down, left side, my right thumb is dodgy for shifting)
> SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette 
> Connex black/gold chain
> Sugino XD600 152mm cranks with 36t and guard
> XT v-brakes and levers
> FSA headset
> Origin8 31.8 face plater
> Ahearne bars
> Ergon grips
> Nitto S83 post, cerakoted black by Analog Cycles
> Berthoud saddle, ti rails, can't remember name 
> Rose/pink bottle cage bolts, crankbolt cap, valve caps, derailer crimp
> Green chainring bolts, brake crimps
>
> You really gotta ride one of these. I don't know what an old Repack 
> cruiser rode like, but I'm fairly certain it was kinda like this: it's 
> long, it's floaty! 
>
> More pics on my Instagram 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CRc34K3lVAl/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> Joe "@RideyMcBiker" Bernard
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Top Tube Protection

[Den John]

Maybe it's something the factories that build the framesets do, rather than
Rivendell. In any case, it still seems likely that it's less labour
intensive to put on a sticker than to do some more elaborate chainstay
protection.

Johnny

On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 at 07:55, Nick Payne  wrote:

> On Sunday, 18 July 2021 at 3:19:20 am UTC+10 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Nick Payne Rivendell has all kinds of stuff on their site that you can
>> do yourself but they don't put on their complete bikes as standard.
>> Adjustable cup BBs, shellack over bar tape, cork grips, home made pump
>> pegs and grips,... Grant P likes the adjustable BBs but says it's not
>> economical to put them on all the completes they send out. Maybe the same
>> goes for the clear plastic chainstay covers: that's probably just the
>> easiest, quickest way to protect the bikes that they build up.
>>
>
> No, these weren't built-up bikes that I bought. They were bare framesets,
> and they both came with clear plastic chainstay protector already stuck on.
>
> Nick
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