Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Alex K]

Not a dumb question at all.  I was wondering the same thing.  Anybody have 
a more helpful answer?  Is there a setting that allows one to read the 
newest posts first?


On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

> I read it in email and Bob is my Uncle...
>
> EricF
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> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 15:46 max.c@gmail.com  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Correct Nitto rear rack size?

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi Steve,

On the 32R, distance from middle of hole on bottom mount tab to the bottom
of the platform is ~33.5 cm. On the 33R, same distance is ~35 cm.

--Ed

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 5:34 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Ed, can you measure from the bottom of the platform to the hole at the
> dropout on your 32 R rack, Thanks, Steve
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:46 PM 'Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed
>>
>> Much appreciate the feedback. According to the chaps in Walnut Creek the
>> 32R should work just fine my H/H being a 650 wheel size. That said, I think
>> you are spot on correct especially if one plans to include a fender option.
>> After all when in doubt go big.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 10:18:43 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gunner,
>>>
>>> I suggest going with the 33R as I'm convinced the 32R was built with 26"
>>> wheels in mind. I've tried the 32R on the following bikes:
>>>
>>>- 51cm Appaloosa (650b) - Needed to run on low-mid braze on. Could
>>>be run on the dropout braze-on but contacts top of rear fender.
>>>- 47cm MIT Homer (650b) - Just clears with the fender and 42mm tires
>>>- 46cm Clem L - Perfect
>>>- Small Gus Boots Wilsen (650b) - Not even close
>>>
>>> I ended up getting the 33R - currently on the Hillsen - and keeping the
>>> 32R on the Clem.
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 12:36:29 PM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello All

 I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can tell me the correct Nitto
 rear rack size (32R/33R) for a Toyo built 56cm H/Hilsen with 650B wheels.
 Initially , I was thinking large (33R) but now I am just not sure. The
 older Toyo built Hilsen frame geometry has me questioning the optimal size.
 Again, much appreciated.

 Cheers

 Gunner

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Re: [RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Clark

I suggest aeroprof ratio is 98.2% after correcting for the weight 
difference.   It agrees very well with Fully Lugged's ratio, showing little 
effect

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ.


On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:32:08 AM UTC-4 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Thanks aeroperf! So on your touring style Rivendell you were 100 * 11.2 / 
> 11.6 = 96.5% as fast as your road bike. Now we have three data points! I 
> hope to see some more...
>
> Rider, PercentSpeed
> Clark, 82
> Fullylugged, 99
> aeroperf, 96.5
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:49 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>
>> Road bike: 1982 Team Fuji with all 2018 equipment (3x9-spd Sora w/105 
>> brakes, 622x28 tires, drops)
>> Riv bike: 2015 Sam Hillborn set up per factory (3x9-spd Suguino/Shimano 
>> w/Tektro rim brakes, 622x42 tires, Albatross)
>> Both bikes had Sigma BC.12.12 computers which were calibrated.
>>
>> The road bike averaged 11.6 mph on 5 trials and the Sam averaged 11.2 mph 
>> on 5 trials.
>>
>> To me, the big differences seemed to be in the gearing and rider 
>> position.  The Fuji has a 50 tooth big chainring, while my Sam has a 46 
>> tooth.
>> Weight seemed at best a secondary effect.  The Fuji is 28 lb while the 
>> Sam is 30.5 lb., but I’m 210 lb.
>> For another comparison, my 31.5 pound Soma Saga Disc heavy touring bike 
>> averaged just less than 11.1 mph on the same 5 trials.  It’s big chainring 
>> has 44 teeth.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Correct Nitto rear rack size?

[Steven Sweedler]

Ed, can you measure from the bottom of the platform to the hole at the
dropout on your 32 R rack, Thanks, Steve

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:46 PM 'Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Ed
>
> Much appreciate the feedback. According to the chaps in Walnut Creek the
> 32R should work just fine my H/H being a 650 wheel size. That said, I think
> you are spot on correct especially if one plans to include a fender option.
> After all when in doubt go big.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gunner
>
>
> On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 10:18:43 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> Hi Gunner,
>>
>> I suggest going with the 33R as I'm convinced the 32R was built with 26"
>> wheels in mind. I've tried the 32R on the following bikes:
>>
>>- 51cm Appaloosa (650b) - Needed to run on low-mid braze on. Could be
>>run on the dropout braze-on but contacts top of rear fender.
>>- 47cm MIT Homer (650b) - Just clears with the fender and 42mm tires
>>- 46cm Clem L - Perfect
>>- Small Gus Boots Wilsen (650b) - Not even close
>>
>> I ended up getting the 33R - currently on the Hillsen - and keeping the
>> 32R on the Clem.
>>
>> --Ed C.
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 12:36:29 PM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All
>>>
>>> I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can tell me the correct Nitto
>>> rear rack size (32R/33R) for a Toyo built 56cm H/Hilsen with 650B wheels.
>>> Initially , I was thinking large (33R) but now I am just not sure. The
>>> older Toyo built Hilsen frame geometry has me questioning the optimal size.
>>> Again, much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Correct Nitto rear rack size?

['Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ed

Much appreciate the feedback. According to the chaps in Walnut Creek the 
32R should work just fine my H/H being a 650 wheel size. That said, I think 
you are spot on correct especially if one plans to include a fender option. 
After all when in doubt go big. 

Cheers

Gunner


On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 10:18:43 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Gunner,
>
> I suggest going with the 33R as I'm convinced the 32R was built with 26" 
> wheels in mind. I've tried the 32R on the following bikes:
>
>- 51cm Appaloosa (650b) - Needed to run on low-mid braze on. Could be 
>run on the dropout braze-on but contacts top of rear fender.
>- 47cm MIT Homer (650b) - Just clears with the fender and 42mm tires
>- 46cm Clem L - Perfect 
>- Small Gus Boots Wilsen (650b) - Not even close
>
> I ended up getting the 33R - currently on the Hillsen - and keeping the 
> 32R on the Clem.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 12:36:29 PM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hello All
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can tell me the correct Nitto 
>> rear rack size (32R/33R) for a Toyo built 56cm H/Hilsen with 650B wheels. 
>> Initially , I was thinking large (33R) but now I am just not sure. The 
>> older Toyo built Hilsen frame geometry has me questioning the optimal size. 
>> Again, much appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Gunner
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud, Ostrich, Thomson, Paul

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sent a PM regarding #2 (Mini 86) and #3 (Klikfix support)
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:52:04 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> I sent a PM regarding item 5 (Paul Thumbies).  Thanks,
>
> Jeff Arita
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:35:36 PM UTC-7 Ed Felker wrote:
>
>> Here are bags and parts that need to go. The bags were on occasional-use 
>> bikes. Photos here: https://bit.ly/3iLxVuA
>>
>> Details: Prices do not include actual UPS ground shipping from 
>> Washington, DC. USA addresses only. Paypal f/f preferred. Local 
>> pickup/handoff can be arranged. 
>>
>> 1. Berthoud GB 192 front bag, with strap. Gray. Very good lightly used 
>> condition, with a small hole in the underside where a bolt was used to help 
>> secure it to a front rack. Strap included. $100.
>>
>> 2. Klikfix fork and adapter for the GB 192, new, never installed. $25.
>>
>> 3. Berthoud mini 86 bag. Gray. A stylish little bag. $75.
>>
>> 4. Ostrich S-2 saddle bag and seatpost support rack. Green. The internal 
>> stiffener worked its way through the fabric, which left a small cut that 
>> can be seen in the photos. I used the stiffener inside the bag under the 
>> straps. $70 for bag and rack. 
>>
>> 5. Paul thumbies shifter mounts for MTB bars, 22.2 size. Black. Unused. 
>> $45.
>>
>> 6. Thomson Elite 250mm straight post. *27.4 size.* Note the unusual 
>> size. New, never installed. $50.
>>
>>
>> thanks, 
>> Ed Felker
>> Washington, DC 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Eric Floden]

I read it in email and Bob is my Uncle...

EricF
Vancouver on android and Firefox

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 15:46 max.c@gmail.com 
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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Dumb question -- is there any way to make this thread display the newest 
posts at the top? I keep having to scroll through 100+ posts...sorry if I'm 
missing it!

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Re: [RBW] RBW Emails Getting Caught in Junk Filter

[Peter Adler]

Begging the moderators' forbearance, as this post has nothing to do with 
bicycles. But it does have something to do with reading mail/posts from 
this group, which is at least bicycle-adjacent.

Mail filtering in Apple Mail blows, and it always has blown. The training 
phase for the Bayesian email filter works for a while, but once you move 
from the training phase to the "segregate my junk mail out" phase, it seems 
to stop learning anything new. You keep IDing new junk mail and correcting 
false positives, but it doesn't seem to adapt.

For almost 20 years, ever since my Eudora days, I've been using an 
aftermarket email filtration application: SpamSieve from C-Command Software.

https://c-command.com/spamsieve/

The filters are far more adaptable, you can add new filters at will, and 
Michael Tsai (the programmer operating the one-man shop) provides 
outstanding technical support. Years ago, I had a G5 tower that crashed 
from overheating several times a day; one Saturday night, it crashed while 
I had Apple Mail open. I restarted the computer as usual, and five minutes 
later, I got a personal email from Michael Tsai, saying that he'd just 
received a report that SpamSieve had crashed, and I should download a new 
copy. Quizzically (I've never received unsolicited direct contact from a 
developer, unless he was trying to sell me something), I told him about my 
crash-prone computer, and said that SS was obviously working, as I had 
Apple Mail open (SpamSieve launches and quits with the mail program it's 
filtering). He sent me back an email saying "no, I can see that the 
application's been corrupted, and here's the place in the log file the app 
automatically sent me that shows it". All of this happened between 9:30 and 
9:45 on a Saturday night. WOW!

That is such amazing support that I've bought (and failed to use) several 
other of C-Command's utilities, just to keep Michael in business. In a 
followup exchange with Michael ("hey, how did you get this information 
without my contacting you?"), Michael told me that the same reporting 
system that Apple uses to analyze OS/application crashes (the display that 
appears after something crashes, which tells you something's crashed and 
delivers a bunch of user-incomprehensible programmer information about the 
reason for the crash) was also capable of sending the same information to 
third-party developers. He said that most developers didn't use the option 
of receiving those messages, but he wanted to know when his applications 
failed and why.

Personally, I am a little twitchy about sending third parties information 
in the background. But here I am, using a Google service; they're spying on 
me all the time, and I have no idea what benefit I get in return. At least 
I know what Michael's doing with his surveillance data.

SpamSieve works with a number of standalone email applications (Apple Mail, 
Thunderbird, Outlook, Entourage, Postbox), but it doesn't work with webmail 
such as Gmail, unless you're directing your Gmail feed into a traditional 
email client. For Gmail viewed through a browser, you're forced to rely on 
Google's filtering system, which (as my inner paranoiac tells me) is being 
operated with intentions I do not share.

If your ISP is one of the remaining smaller, traditional local companies, 
they may well provide spam filtration at their end. LMi, a local ISP in 
Berkeley (not the one I use, but one that I've done contract work for and 
to whom I regularly clients that need a lot of hand-holding) offers three 
different levels of filtration, based on blacklists of bad actors. If you 
use one of their filters, mail from those bad actors never hits your inbox 
on the server, so you never see it at all. The advantage to a small ISP is 
that mail they reject before it gets to their users' inboxes is mail that 
isn't taking up valuable space on their hard drives, saving them money on 
storage/electricity. Obviously, this requires a fair amount of trust in 
your ISP's judgement.

Like most webmail providers, Google doesn't care much about wasted disk 
space; they can afford the storage. Unfortunately, this also means they're 
less concerned about collecting crap and dumping it in your lap. If you're 
relying exclusively on Gmail's filtering system, expect to be disappointed.

A secondary complication with using anything other than browser-based mail 
is that local filtering systems are specific to the filtering tool on each 
device. As an example, if you're viewing email in Apple Mail on your Mac, 
on your iPhone and on your iPad, each Apple Mail client will filter 
depending on how the individual client is set. Like Gmail, Apple Mail 
stores all your email in one database file; it then displays the mail based 
on the settings in the local client. If mail you think is good shows up in 
your spam folder on one device and your inbox on a second device, you have 
to specify that the message is "good" on the offending device.

C-Command 

[RBW] Re: Susie in a downhill bike park

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Yes, I too would have loved to see a video of this.

I enjoy riding my Susie on fire roads and such, but no downhill riding 
plans though.  This's bike is probably a little safer for such rides than a 
typical MTB, I think

On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 23:03:23 UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> This reminds me of the guy who took his Jones bike to a bike park: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEMnTtV7v0=3s
>
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:48:30 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> I would have loved to see that. 
>> I would subscribe to your YouTube channel!
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, Ca 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:50:45 PM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thought folks might be interested in my recent experience taking my 
>>> Susie to Deer Valley lift-serviced downhill bike park.  Overall it was 
>>> highly enjoyable despite dealing with ridiculous bros.
>>>
>>> Got a ton of looks and comments, ranging from very positive ("Right 
>>> on!", "Old school!", "Love it!") to puzzled and dismissive ("good luck, 
>>> buddy").
>>>
>>> She handled great! I don't ride downhill hardly ever, but she was super 
>>> balanced even on the black diamond stuff that the bros were tearing down. I 
>>> was able to keep up with my friends who were basically riding soft dually 
>>> suspended pillows. I found my Tosco bars to be perfect for the descents, 
>>> and my 2.5" Terravail's at 10psi to be enough to absorb a lot of the bumps 
>>> and grippy in tight corners.
>>>
>>> I was a little nervous about how she would do on some fairly gnarly 
>>> terrain and she was great.  Not looking to spend too much time at bike 
>>> parks, but good to know she is up for the challenge if I do.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud, Ostrich, Thomson, Paul

[Jeffrey Arita]

Hi Ed,

I sent a PM regarding item 5 (Paul Thumbies).  Thanks,

Jeff Arita
Claremont, CA

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:35:36 PM UTC-7 Ed Felker wrote:

> Here are bags and parts that need to go. The bags were on occasional-use 
> bikes. Photos here: https://bit.ly/3iLxVuA
>
> Details: Prices do not include actual UPS ground shipping from Washington, 
> DC. USA addresses only. Paypal f/f preferred. Local pickup/handoff can be 
> arranged. 
>
> 1. Berthoud GB 192 front bag, with strap. Gray. Very good lightly used 
> condition, with a small hole in the underside where a bolt was used to help 
> secure it to a front rack. Strap included. $100.
>
> 2. Klikfix fork and adapter for the GB 192, new, never installed. $25.
>
> 3. Berthoud mini 86 bag. Gray. A stylish little bag. $75.
>
> 4. Ostrich S-2 saddle bag and seatpost support rack. Green. The internal 
> stiffener worked its way through the fabric, which left a small cut that 
> can be seen in the photos. I used the stiffener inside the bag under the 
> straps. $70 for bag and rack. 
>
> 5. Paul thumbies shifter mounts for MTB bars, 22.2 size. Black. Unused. 
> $45.
>
> 6. Thomson Elite 250mm straight post. *27.4 size.* Note the unusual size. 
> New, never installed. $50.
>
>
> thanks, 
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Does anyone know of a good metal plater

[David Wadstrup]

Thanks, Laing -- I'll look into them.  Good to know you've had positive 
experiences with them!

Getting in touch with Joe Bell is a great idea, Eric!  Thanks.  This 
 is the guy who made the stem.  He was a 
pleasure to deal with, had a good turn around time, and good prices.

Thanks, everyone!
On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:18:05 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Who made your stem? When I needed a steel stem repaired a few years ago, I 
> could not find a local builder who would touch it.
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:42 AM, A. Douglas M.  wrote:
>
> Beautiful stem!
>
> Best
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 8:10:56 AM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Try contacting painter Joe Bell (joebell.net). He has a plater that he 
>> works with.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:27 AM, David Wadstrup  wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I couldn't find a horizontal 17/32 degree stem for my treadless setup on 
>> my Roadeo, that would accept both the correct steerer tube and the Noodles 
>> that I love so much, so had to have one custom-made.  It's beautiful and is 
>> raw steel.  I couldn't find a plater at the time, and because I wanted to 
>> get to riding this bike ASAP I mounted it as is, applied a few coats of 
>> Renaissance Wax and hopped for the best.  It's been on there for a quite a 
>> while now, and the maintenance is getting to be a little much.  I just 
>> can't keep myself from holding the stem when moving the bike around, and 
>> wherever I touch it, rust soon develops. Anyways, I need to get it plated. 
>>  I can't find anywhere local here in Maine that I can bring it to, and 
>> figure that since I'll have to ship it, I can ship it anywhere.  I'd just 
>> like to feel confident that I'm sending off to someone who I can trust to 
>> do a good job and to someone that won't plate the inside of the tube.  This 
>> is all a round about way of asking Does anyone have any 
>> recommendations?  Here's a couple of photos in case you're interested:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
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[RBW] FS: Berthoud, Ostrich, Thomson, Paul

[Ed Felker]

Here are bags and parts that need to go. The bags were on occasional-use
bikes. Photos here: https://bit.ly/3iLxVuA

Details: Prices do not include actual UPS ground shipping from Washington,
DC. USA addresses only. Paypal f/f preferred. Local pickup/handoff can be
arranged.

1. Berthoud GB 192 front bag, with strap. Gray. Very good lightly used
condition, with a small hole in the underside where a bolt was used to help
secure it to a front rack. Strap included. $100.

2. Klikfix fork and adapter for the GB 192, new, never installed. $25.

3. Berthoud mini 86 bag. Gray. A stylish little bag. $75.

4. Ostrich S-2 saddle bag and seatpost support rack. Green. The internal
stiffener worked its way through the fabric, which left a small cut that
can be seen in the photos. I used the stiffener inside the bag under the
straps. $70 for bag and rack.

5. Paul thumbies shifter mounts for MTB bars, 22.2 size. Black. Unused. $45.

6. Thomson Elite 250mm straight post. *27.4 size.* Note the unusual size.
New, never installed. $50.


thanks,
Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Long distance tour

[Bill Lindsay]

Either would be excellent for its own reason(s).  I'd pick and have fun.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:36:46 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:

> If ya'll were to pack up your bike, travel with it to Italy, and do a bike 
> tour trip there, would you take a double-top-tube Appaloosa or a Homer 
> Hilsen.  It would mostly be paved roads, some gravel, and packed for full 
> camping (stove, tent, sleeping bag, etc...)  Why??

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[RBW] Re: Long distance tour

[dougP]

For the trip you describe (camping) I'd take the Appa.  More ability to 
carry weight.  

Homer would probably be preferable for a credit card tour where all you 
need to carry was clothes.  

dougP

On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 8:50:21 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> That sounds like quite a treat...
>
> It'd depend on how the bikes are setup, weight distributed, etc. but 
> probably the homer for the following reasons:
>
>- Mostly road and I am a light person, so I'd fall under the 
>recommended weight limits
>- The mental aspect that I am taking a *slightly lighter* bike
>- Whichever bike has drops and wide slick tires (I realize this can be 
>both)
>- It feels like a more Italian countryside appropriate bike than the 
>Joe (less tubes, traditional angles, etc.)
>
> But again, whichever is better setup for the type of riding you described 
> would be the one to go with. As everyone here knows, you can make each one 
> the bikes feel very different or very similar based on wheels, tires, 
> cockpit, etc.
>
> Collin, smoky with jealousy, in Sacramento
>
> On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:36:46 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:
>
>> If ya'll were to pack up your bike, travel with it to Italy, and do a 
>> bike tour trip there, would you take a double-top-tube Appaloosa or a Homer 
>> Hilsen.  It would mostly be paved roads, some gravel, and packed for full 
>> camping (stove, tent, sleeping bag, etc...)  Why??
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Re: [RBW] Does anyone know of a good metal plater

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Who made your stem? When I needed a steel stem repaired a few years ago, I 
could not find a local builder who would touch it.

--Eric Norris
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YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:42 AM, A. Douglas M.  wrote:
> 
> Beautiful stem!
> 
> Best
> 
> Aaron in El Paso 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 8:10:56 AM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> Try contacting painter Joe Bell (joebell.net ). He has a 
> plater that he works with.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:27 AM, David Wadstrup > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I couldn't find a horizontal 17/32 degree stem for my treadless setup on my 
>> Roadeo, that would accept both the correct steerer tube and the Noodles that 
>> I love so much, so had to have one custom-made.  It's beautiful and is raw 
>> steel.  I couldn't find a plater at the time, and because I wanted to get to 
>> riding this bike ASAP I mounted it as is, applied a few coats of Renaissance 
>> Wax and hopped for the best.  It's been on there for a quite a while now, 
>> and the maintenance is getting to be a little much.  I just can't keep 
>> myself from holding the stem when moving the bike around, and wherever I 
>> touch it, rust soon develops. Anyways, I need to get it plated.  I can't 
>> find anywhere local here in Maine that I can bring it to, and figure that 
>> since I'll have to ship it, I can ship it anywhere.  I'd just like to feel 
>> confident that I'm sending off to someone who I can trust to do a good job 
>> and to someone that won't plate the inside of the tube.  This is all a round 
>> about way of asking Does anyone have any recommendations?  Here's a 
>> couple of photos in case you're interested:
>> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Yet another round of name that sound

[spencer robinson]

I also have been following this discussion and I though I would share 
another source for a rhythmic creaking issue I had…
I would get a creak, every revolution of the crank. I determined that the 
creak was present out of the saddle as well as in the saddle. I swapped out 
the pedals, still creaking
Removed both crank arms, checked bolts, still creaking
Swapped out the BB with a known good BB, Still creaking
Finally during a test ride, I went to the real axel and tightened the quick 
release…it was snug, but I made it a little tighter and that was it! This 
was on a Sam frame with vertical drop-outs…musta been just enough play 
between the axel and the dropout to create a creak each revolution, when 
the drive side came around the power quadrant of the stroke. I am a big 
rider and the creaking was worse when I was powering up a hill.

On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 10:04:15 AM UTC-4 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> While I've been reading all of these suggestions as they came through, 
> it's not until now that I'm replying.  Sorry.  I am dumbfounded by all the 
> the great ideas and thought people have put into helping me with my problem 
> -- THANK YOU!  So... just yesterday afternoon I removed and reinstalled the 
> cassette.  I also added a small touch of grease to the splines, as 
> suggested.  I wasn't able to take it out do to a day full of rain, but I 
> hope to tomorrow.  I'll report back on my findings.  
>
> I ended up just making the one "adjustment" so I would be able to 
> determine if it, and not any other adjustments, was the real solution.  I 
> fit doesn't work, I'll move onto the BB.
>
> To answer a few of the questions here.  all components including chain 
> are in great, lightly used, condition.  This is the bike that sees the 
> least use, even more so after a year of the pandemic, and I would imagine 
> that everything has less than 1,000 miles on it.  I don't keep track of my 
> mileage, and am a really bad estimator of it, so it could be even quite a 
> bit less than this.  Definitely not more.  
>
> I did remove and reinsert the seat post, and loosen and re-tighten the 
> saddle bolt.  This has traditionally been the number one source of 
> mysterious noises for me, but my fiddling had no effect this time.  Which I 
> kind of suspected, given that the noises also occur when I'm out of the 
> saddle.
>
> Regarding the construction of the cassette... the 3 largest cogs are 
> indeed on a "sub cluster assembly," which I found to be quite interesting 
> given that it is only these three that make this noise.  Seems like the 
> rivets or just the construction of this part as a whole, could be the 
> culprit, as suggested.  Maybe my locking was a little on the loose side, 
> and maybe there was some play between this cluster and the rest of the 
> cogs?  I sure hope so!
>
> Anyways, that you all for your time and the thoughtful replies -- they 
> mean a lot!
>
> I have another, unrelated question that I'll ask in a separate post.  See 
> you there, I hope!
>
> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 8:32:48 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Have you tried taking off the cassette and lightly greasing the splines 
>> before reassembling? I used to get a similar sound on my Campy 
>> freehub-equipped bikes, and this always worked.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
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>>
>> On Jul 22, 2021, at 2:49 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> Lots of helpful solutions provided by the group so I'm sure you'll 
>> discover the problem soon. In addition to the cassette noise do you notice 
>> a creaky sound coming from your stem? Perhaps the sounds are coming from 
>> multiple locations? 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would try the following (assumning you have not already):
>>>
>>> 1. Swap the bb.
>>> 2. Light bit of grease of the tapers when installing the cranks
>>> 3. Uninstall and re-install the cassette
>>> 4. Check the chain for wear and make sure the master link is proerly 
>>> secured.
>>> 5. Check the front derailer adujustment to make sure the cage it not 
>>> hitting the chain or possibly somethig else
>>> 6. If you re wearing cleated shoes make sure the cleats are tight. Lower 
>>> gearrs means lower pressure/contact with the pedals.
>>> 7.  Make sure the chainring bolts are tight.
>>> 8. IS the spacer (if there is one for 11 speed ) the correct width?
>>>
>>> Good luck and hope you solve it quickly!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 11:47:06 AM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is going to sound crazy, but is it the saddle, seatpost, or their 
 interface? That's happened to me more than once, and I've chased sounds 
 that I'm sure are bottom bracket, crank, or cassette related only to 
 discover that in certain gears or at certain effort levels, my saddle is 
 clicking. (In fact, 

Re: [RBW] RBW Emails Getting Caught in Junk Filter

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

I have been having the same problem for a few weeks.
I added the option to my gmail filter that sorts the mailing list traffic
into a label to"never send to spam" (suggested by someone else, don't
recall who.)

--ben

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 10:23 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> At least it’s not just me.
>
> FYI, both of the responses to my email ended up in Junk (which they are
> not!).
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> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
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>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:12 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> For me too, even after adding lists to my contacts.
>
> Patrick Moore
> iPhone
>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Yes! I set up several Rules but the problem persists.
>
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:07 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Has anybody else noticed that their Mac has started sending emails from
> this group to the “Junk” folder? I’ve tried turning filtering off, but it
> keeps happening.
>
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Re: [RBW] Does anyone know of a good metal plater

[A. Douglas M.]

Beautiful stem!

Best

Aaron in El Paso 

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 8:10:56 AM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Try contacting painter Joe Bell (joebell.net). He has a plater that he 
> works with.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:27 AM, David Wadstrup  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I couldn't find a horizontal 17/32 degree stem for my treadless setup on 
> my Roadeo, that would accept both the correct steerer tube and the Noodles 
> that I love so much, so had to have one custom-made.  It's beautiful and is 
> raw steel.  I couldn't find a plater at the time, and because I wanted to 
> get to riding this bike ASAP I mounted it as is, applied a few coats of 
> Renaissance Wax and hopped for the best.  It's been on there for a quite a 
> while now, and the maintenance is getting to be a little much.  I just 
> can't keep myself from holding the stem when moving the bike around, and 
> wherever I touch it, rust soon develops. Anyways, I need to get it plated. 
>  I can't find anywhere local here in Maine that I can bring it to, and 
> figure that since I'll have to ship it, I can ship it anywhere.  I'd just 
> like to feel confident that I'm sending off to someone who I can trust to 
> do a good job and to someone that won't plate the inside of the tube.  This 
> is all a round about way of asking Does anyone have any 
> recommendations?  Here's a couple of photos in case you're interested:
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

A. Homer Hilsen
61cm
2250
Asheville, NC
https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/saluda-rivendell-bicycle-homer-hilsen/7356711404.html


Clem Smith Jr.
45cm
1000
Silverdale, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7356800249.html


Atlantis
56cm
1850
Boston, MA
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Re: [RBW] RBW Emails Getting Caught in Junk Filter

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

At least it’s not just me.

FYI, both of the responses to my email ended up in Junk (which they are not!).

--Eric Norris
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> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:12 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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> For me too, even after adding lists to my contacts.
> 
> Patrick Moore
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>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Matthew Williams 
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>> Yes! I set up several Rules but the problem persists.
>> 
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>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:07 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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>>> Has anybody else noticed that their Mac has started sending emails from 
>>> this group to the “Junk” folder? I’ve tried turning filtering off, but it 
>>> keeps happening.
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] RBW Emails Getting Caught in Junk Filter

[Patrick Moore]

For me too, even after adding lists to my contacts.

Patrick Moore
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> On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Matthew Williams 
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> Yes! I set up several Rules but the problem persists.
> 
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>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:07 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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>> 
>> Has anybody else noticed that their Mac has started sending emails from this 
>> group to the “Junk” folder? I’ve tried turning filtering off, but it keeps 
>> happening.
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>> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] RBW Emails Getting Caught in Junk Filter

[Matthew Williams]

Yes! I set up several Rules but the problem persists.



On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:07 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> Has anybody else noticed that their Mac has started sending emails from this 
> group to the “Junk” folder? I’ve tried turning filtering off, but it keeps 
> happening.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
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Re: [RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

[aeroperf]

Aaron - Yes, it was about the same amount of effort.  I wasn’t trying to 
match speeds, and didn’t.  I live on a rails-to-trails and know it pretty 
well, and I don’t match day to day on a given bike.  Some days are windier, 
some are hotter.  On the Sam I’ve done the same ride at 10.9 mph and 11.6 
mph over the years.  So I picked “the last 5 rides to the caboose” for all 
bikes and took an average.

John - The riding position, for me, is most uncomfortable on the road bike, 
because I just don’t bend that well anymore.  I ride the hoods, and very 
rarely try to ride the drops.  Also, since the photo, I’ve lowered the 
Soma’s Osprey bars 2 inches, because it was just too upright for comfort on 
a long trip.  So over the years my bikes are all trending towards the same 
rider position.

The Sam is my favorite - I spent three years trying different gearing and 
saddles and wearing it into shape.  So I’m surprised that the Fuji beat 
it.  115 psi tires versus 50 psi tires?  Anyway, keep those data points 
coming.

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Re: [RBW] Does anyone know of a good metal plater

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Try contacting painter Joe Bell (joebell.net). He has a plater that he works 
with.

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> On Jul 27, 2021, at 6:27 AM, David Wadstrup  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I couldn't find a horizontal 17/32 degree stem for my treadless setup on my 
> Roadeo, that would accept both the correct steerer tube and the Noodles that 
> I love so much, so had to have one custom-made.  It's beautiful and is raw 
> steel.  I couldn't find a plater at the time, and because I wanted to get to 
> riding this bike ASAP I mounted it as is, applied a few coats of Renaissance 
> Wax and hopped for the best.  It's been on there for a quite a while now, and 
> the maintenance is getting to be a little much.  I just can't keep myself 
> from holding the stem when moving the bike around, and wherever I touch it, 
> rust soon develops. Anyways, I need to get it plated.  I can't find anywhere 
> local here in Maine that I can bring it to, and figure that since I'll have 
> to ship it, I can ship it anywhere.  I'd just like to feel confident that I'm 
> sending off to someone who I can trust to do a good job and to someone that 
> won't plate the inside of the tube.  This is all a round about way of 
> asking Does anyone have any recommendations?  Here's a couple of photos 
> in case you're interested:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me optimize my ride

[John A. Bennett]

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/riv-garage-sale

On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 11:51:26 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> No worries, I still haven't quite found my way to operating the new 
> Rivbike site either. Like, where's the Garage Sale section?? 
>
> I'm glad you sorted out your Nitto bag holder thing, it's a pretty nifty 
> device. 
> On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I don't know how I missed that picture.
>>
>> I discovered the straps on my bag (Carradice long-flap)  are too far 
>> apart to move the collars outside the straps, but I moved them further 
>> apart than they were, almost right to the inside of the straps. Now I feel 
>> optimized!
>>
>> And yes, I catch my leg on the frame a couple of times a year. So far, no 
>> damage to the bike, or to me.
>>
>> EricF
>> Vancouver
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 16:48, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Check the next photo on the Riv page. Those doohickeys can be spaced 
>>> either inside or outside of the straps so the saddlebag doesn't slide 
>>> around on that bar. You grab it in the middle there to carry the bag after 
>>> you pop the QR open. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] RBW Emails Getting Caught in Junk Filter

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Has anybody else noticed that their Mac has started sending emails from this 
group to the “Junk” folder? I’ve tried turning filtering off, but it keeps 
happening.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

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[RBW] Re: Does anyone know of a good metal plater

[lconley]

I had my 1971 Gitane Tour de France original seatpost replated, my Brooks 
B-68 saddle frame plated, and my 1963 Falcon 260 V8 valve covers plated at 
Spacecoast Plating & Metal Refinishing in Melbourne,  Florida. They did a 
great job on everything.
https://www.spacecoast-plating.com

Laing
Delray Beach FL
On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-4 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I couldn't find a horizontal 17/32 degree stem for my treadless setup on 
> my Roadeo, that would accept both the correct steerer tube and the Noodles 
> that I love so much, so had to have one custom-made.  It's beautiful and is 
> raw steel.  I couldn't find a plater at the time, and because I wanted to 
> get to riding this bike ASAP I mounted it as is, applied a few coats of 
> Renaissance Wax and hopped for the best.  It's been on there for a quite a 
> while now, and the maintenance is getting to be a little much.  I just 
> can't keep myself from holding the stem when moving the bike around, and 
> wherever I touch it, rust soon develops. Anyways, I need to get it plated. 
>  I can't find anywhere local here in Maine that I can bring it to, and 
> figure that since I'll have to ship it, I can ship it anywhere.  I'd just 
> like to feel confident that I'm sending off to someone who I can trust to 
> do a good job and to someone that won't plate the inside of the tube.  This 
> is all a round about way of asking Does anyone have any 
> recommendations?  Here's a couple of photos in case you're interested:
>
> [image: IMG_1073.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_1074.PNG]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me optimize my ride

[Johnny Alien]

WEB insdustry. I wish I could edit messages here. :)

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 7:49:23 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The garage sale section is under "Gear".  I agree the new site is a bit 
> clunky. My biggest issue is that they are using an accessibility overlay. I 
> don't know if it's a default feature from the "Shop" framework but I can 
> tell you it not only doesn't make the site more accessible for people with 
> disabilities it almost always makes it much worse. Those overlays have a 
> terrible reputation in the wen industry and is generally a bad look for a 
> company when they use it. They would be better of getting rid of it. (Sorry 
> for the website side track)
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 2:51:26 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> No worries, I still haven't quite found my way to operating the new 
>> Rivbike site either. Like, where's the Garage Sale section?? 
>>
>> I'm glad you sorted out your Nitto bag holder thing, it's a pretty nifty 
>> device. 
>> On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I don't know how I missed that picture.
>>>
>>> I discovered the straps on my bag (Carradice long-flap)  are too far 
>>> apart to move the collars outside the straps, but I moved them further 
>>> apart than they were, almost right to the inside of the straps. Now I feel 
>>> optimized!
>>>
>>> And yes, I catch my leg on the frame a couple of times a year. So far, 
>>> no damage to the bike, or to me.
>>>
>>> EricF
>>> Vancouver
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 16:48, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Check the next photo on the Riv page. Those doohickeys can be spaced 
 either inside or outside of the straps so the saddlebag doesn't slide 
 around on that bar. You grab it in the middle there to carry the bag after 
 you pop the QR open. 





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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me optimize my ride

[Johnny Alien]

The garage sale section is under "Gear".  I agree the new site is a bit 
clunky. My biggest issue is that they are using an accessibility overlay. I 
don't know if it's a default feature from the "Shop" framework but I can 
tell you it not only doesn't make the site more accessible for people with 
disabilities it almost always makes it much worse. Those overlays have a 
terrible reputation in the wen industry and is generally a bad look for a 
company when they use it. They would be better of getting rid of it. (Sorry 
for the website side track)

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 2:51:26 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> No worries, I still haven't quite found my way to operating the new 
> Rivbike site either. Like, where's the Garage Sale section?? 
>
> I'm glad you sorted out your Nitto bag holder thing, it's a pretty nifty 
> device. 
> On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I don't know how I missed that picture.
>>
>> I discovered the straps on my bag (Carradice long-flap)  are too far 
>> apart to move the collars outside the straps, but I moved them further 
>> apart than they were, almost right to the inside of the straps. Now I feel 
>> optimized!
>>
>> And yes, I catch my leg on the frame a couple of times a year. So far, no 
>> damage to the bike, or to me.
>>
>> EricF
>> Vancouver
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 16:48, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Check the next photo on the Riv page. Those doohickeys can be spaced 
>>> either inside or outside of the straps so the saddlebag doesn't slide 
>>> around on that bar. You grab it in the middle there to carry the bag after 
>>> you pop the QR open. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me optimize my ride

[Joe Bernard]

No worries, I still haven't quite found my way to operating the new Rivbike 
site either. Like, where's the Garage Sale section?? 

I'm glad you sorted out your Nitto bag holder thing, it's a pretty nifty 
device. 
On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

> Thanks. I don't know how I missed that picture.
>
> I discovered the straps on my bag (Carradice long-flap)  are too far apart 
> to move the collars outside the straps, but I moved them further apart than 
> they were, almost right to the inside of the straps. Now I feel optimized!
>
> And yes, I catch my leg on the frame a couple of times a year. So far, no 
> damage to the bike, or to me.
>
> EricF
> Vancouver
>
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 16:48, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Check the next photo on the Riv page. Those doohickeys can be spaced 
>> either inside or outside of the straps so the saddlebag doesn't slide 
>> around on that bar. You grab it in the middle there to carry the bag after 
>> you pop the QR open. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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